Oct. 11, 2020

#11 - Sunday Night Sports Wrap - October 11th, 2020

#11 - Sunday Night Sports Wrap - October 11th, 2020

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Episode 5 - NFC Predictions
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On this episode of the SNSW Podcast, it's our monthly two-hour show, and at the quarter mark of the NFL season, we'll take a look at our AFC and NFC predictions to see how we've done so far.
We'll also take a look at coaches in the NFL who should be filing for unemployment benefits, and how the NFL has handled the COVID 19 pandemic as positive tests on the Patriots, Titans, and Vikings have forced the NFL to reshuffle its schedule.

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Craig D'Alessandro:

On this episode of the Ask SNSW podcast, it's our monthly to our show and that the quarter mark of the NFL season we'll take a look at our AFC and NFC predictions to see how we've done so far. We'll also take a look at coaches in the NFL who should be finally front employment benefits and how the NFL has handled the covid 19 pandemic as positive stats on the Patriots Titans and Vikings have forced the NFL to reshuffle its schedule but first This episode is being brought to you by box Oh crafts box Oh is an arts and crafts focus kids subscription box box Oh is a parent run company that combines creativity and convenience in one monthly package delivered right to your door boxes premier box box Oh holidays contains four separate art projects to get you and your family into the holiday spirit. Whether it's Halloween Hanukkah, or Easter they've got you covered with holiday fun box Oh, we can't wait to see create check out box Oh crafts calm and exclusively to our listeners enter promo code sn SW for 10% off your first order. That's b o x o crafts comm promo code sn SW the SM SW podcast is a one hour weekly two hour monthly podcast recapping the biggest stories in the world of sports with the New England flavor. The show notes and transcript of today's episode can be found in the description box below, as well as our WordPress have buzzsprout pages. If you're new to the show, please consider subscribing. It's easiest way to see when we publish new episodes. We are on iTunes, Spotify, Google and wherever you generally get your podcasts. Be sure to rate us and leave a review of any of our shows. We always appreciate your feedback. Be sure to follow us on all of our social media pages. All of our links will be in the show notes. And now this is the SNSW podcast. But it's all relative.

Joe Malkin:

My name is Joe Malkin. And welcome into the Sunday night sports trap the flagship show of the SNSW podcast we thank you all for joining us on Facebook, or afterwards, wherever you listen to your podcasts. If you hear weird noises coming from my house, it's my small children that are running around after they just ate chocolate chip cookies. And we're gonna get right into the NFL this week. And what what we did a few weeks ago was give our predictions for the AFC and NFC another episodes five and six of the SOS w podcast which you can find anywhere you download your episodes, your podcast episodes, we went through. And Mike Dave and and Bob gave their predictions for the NFC, the NFC. And myself, Craig and rayshawn gave our predictions for the AFC and how the teams would finish through the year. And now that we've we've reached week five or week after the quarter pole of the NFL season, we've done fairly well guys, I think we've hit on a lot. We've missed on a few one way or the other. So let's let's go through the ones that we've hit on and missed on. You know, we could talk about how we hit on the Jets actually we missed on the Jets because they stink. But let's go through the ones we've hit on. And we're gonna start with the first one and I I set it on the last live show. I've become a fan of this team because of Dave. And that's the Chicago Bears who are currently four in one with they've had two quarterbacks this season. We all know that Mitch trubisky got him through the first few weeks of the season, they make the switch to Nick foles. And not only are they four in one, but Nick foles won his rematch against Tom Brady on Thursday night. And we had them and you guys had them at nine and seven originally. That that's looking pretty good for you guys. I feel

Michael Marcangelo:

like I should have listened to DK and and enter Bobby here. Yeah, I know. I said I was wrong. I should have listened. But like we didn't miss by that much. Right? We did say nine and seven will be close to and we'll still get our points. But yeah, I think I think I even said in my argument for them if they switched to foals early on that they had a chance to to win a lot of games. Well,

Dave Clarke:

that's I mean to be, to be fair, I came in and I wanted us to give them a higher record. I was disappointed that we didn't. But all the reasons that I wanted I gave to put together my Harry record turned out to not be the case. I was like Mitch trubisky. He went in there and he won the quarterback challenge like that guy is fired up, like his job is threatened. He's gonna get in there and I made this impassioned speech and that is absolutely not why they're doing well. So but now, to be fair, I was back in my god, you know, you got to back up. And if we have a listen to me, maybe just purely on the guests of the numbers. Sure. But yeah, I didn't make any case that turned out to be true. So,

Rob Kelly:

you know, we do have it in the hit column though. So so I'll take it. Yeah, exactly. I think I think this team ends up around 11 and five, I do think it's a little bit of a fraudulent foreign one Not gonna lie the way that it has panned out. Don't look at me just because I'm a Cowboys fan. All right, listen, I'm allowed to use fraudulent just, I think you're wondering.

Unknown:

Well,

Dave Clarke:

there's no such thing as a fraudulent foreign one it those are numbers, numbers,

Rob Kelly:

for wins and weight loss. All right. Yeah. I

Dave Clarke:

want to say something. I won't even do it. Go ahead. No, I'll say I'll say I'll say one thing I'll say one thing. I think that the the forum one, I think that the first few wins, you could may be criticized for being a little bit soft, but beating that Tampa Bay team that everybody has, like been salivating over for the last few few months. And for me to personally witness the first ever bears victory over Tom Brady. We were joking around before the show about when he juiced brighter lacquer, I still maintain that because Brian Urlacher didn't want to end his life. But I think that I think that 100% like he did and I've never seen and like they beat us in the snow. And we're supposed to be better in the snow and like all these terrible nights in my memory. And always watch them with patriots fans, obviously, because of where we're from. And, you know, we'll see in the beat of legitimate, do legitimately good offense, you know, not like we you know, we had to take away but it's like not that kind of defense anymore. We're just kind of a preventative defense as opposed to ball hawks, and to contain Tom Brady, and then to have him lose count of the downs like an idiot on live on national television, because we're just like, that deep in his head. I mean, that was just such a satisfying thing to watch. And you have to admit that that legitimizes them a little bit more

Rob Kelly:

now. That last one was big. That was a big one.

Joe Malkin:

I put a pin in that Tom Brady point, because we're gonna come back to that later in the show. But I will stay in defense of Bob, where he's saying that it's fraudulent. It's okay, if he says it's fraudulent. Because if you guys remember, he wanted to jump out as it comes. He wanted to jump teams and come to the AFC right, yeah, mid show. So, you know, it's let's, let's give the guy a break. So the next one you guys had, and I think this is one that everybody had was the Seattle Seahawks. We had him at 12. I'm sorry. That's right, Mike. You didn't? No, no, that's also

Michael Marcangelo:

not true. Bob called them the most overrated. Oh, that's right.

Rob Kelly:

I did. I came out against them. And I have to say that it's not looking like you're great. Take it, you idiot. Yeah, no, that's not looking great. I mean, when it comes to that offense, I don't think there is a better I mean, coming from cowboys fans is high praise. I don't think there's a better wide receiver record in the game. Besides how we'll walk it DK Metcalf. Those two guys are out of this world. And they have Russell Wilson throwing them the ball, they're going to be trouble in the NFC, they're going to be real trouble.

Joe Malkin:

So the biggest thing with that team and Bobby Just so you know, there are people who have made careers in radio in the podcast game that have absolutely terrible takes. So you're on track, you're fine. Yeah, the greatest part about that team is what you just said. And for a while I thought that it was it was the team making. I'm sorry, Russell Wilson, making DK Metcalf and Tyler Lockett better as wide receivers, which I think is kind of true in a lot of ways. But Pete Carroll has that team rallying around him. And it's like a bunch of it's like a college team. I mean, we talked about it when they played the Patriots and the things that they were celebrating, it's the tiny it's the small things. And I guarantee you he has that written somewhere on some board in the facility. It's celebrate the small things, because that's exactly what they do. And it fires everybody up on that roster. And they play so well. I think 12 and four might be low. I think you guys are still gonna get the points. I think they can get up to 14 wins.

Rob Kelly:

Yeah, yeah. I don't disagree with that at this point.

Joe Malkin:

So the other one, you know

Dave Clarke:

what, I do disagree. Actually, I got I'm sorry to stall this here. But I think that like yeah, offensively, they're incredibly explosive. But I think that they do still have some weaknesses in their game that maybe weren't found out yet. Like, if anybody's a legitimate at like, a very positive record right now. It's like it's most people right? Because of the how the NFL season started, like the way that the preseason like having no preseason coming in tons of weird injuries like all this different stuff. Like I feel like any of the five and oh teams like any of the four one teams like any of any of the four no teams like the Steelers, and even could just take a huge nosedive, because nobody but the bears might be the least fraudulent by my logic, Bobby. I'm ready. Because we because we had to change stuff on the fly, you know, and like learn on the fly like everybody else. And we got like a break because of that, because everybody was kind of learning on the fly this season. Like there was a lot of things that people were adjusting to so when was the last time you saw a team, switch a quarterback and have it work out? Well, in the middle of the season? Like ever? You know, like when

Joe Malkin:

you have that situation? I think it can construe miski I think we can all argue or all say, I mean you can argue with me if you want but here's an average quarterback like he's serviceable. He can below average. But But Nick foles is underrated. To me.

Dave Clarke:

I think he's underrated. But my point was about the Seahawks though was that yes, I agree. He is underrated. But I think that if you look at those teams doesn't like not inflated but semi inflated, right? They all have like very veteran quarterbacks. And those are guys that if in an injury prone season, you can't really bet on finishing out a season like Aaron Rodgers is storming right now but like, he's so susceptible to get like going down because he's, he's old, you know, like an old

Rob Kelly:

guy or those

Dave Clarke:

many less what yet Russell Wilson he's like older like it, why are these teams doing better the veteran, the veteran led teams, because like they needed less time to adjust. I feel like there will be a sort of evening out of a few of them sooner than you might think. But that's just my unscientific prediction.

Joe Malkin:

So speaking of a non veteran led team, the Arizona Cardinals are led by Kyler Murray, who I was I know, we're very early into his second season in the league. But I may have been wrong about this guy, because I said that he was going to be susceptible to injury, but I liked the way he plays. He plays like a gritty veteran. And you guys nailed it. You put them in it? Well, I don't wanna say you nailed it yet, but to this point, that three into you put them in at 10 and six for their final record. I think that's really fair. I mean, eight and eight would be good for this team because Mike, I think you you put a lot of stock into this Cardinals team and sauted Bobby, this might be one that Bobby is right on. But I really like watching this team and I think with DeAndre Hopkins, you have Larry Fitzgerald, who is seemingly not there, but he's there. You have a

Dave Clarke:

thought he was a ghost, right? I thought I thought because they keep dragging his corpse out of the field. I'm like, What is Terrell doing here? Like get him in a suit and give him a microphone? The poor man.

Joe Malkin:

He's gonna be an awesome, bro. I've always loved Larry Fitzgerald. But they have Edmonds at running back. Currently they have Andy Isabella, like they have all these guys. That if they're not named DeAndre Hopkins or Kyler Murray or Larry Fitzgerald, you don't know who they are, but they're getting the job done. Yeah,

Michael Marcangelo:

I mean, I think for for Arizona, like Murray needed someone that he could throw the ball to 15 times a game that would catch the ball. 13 times. Right. And for 100 and something yards, Larry Fitzgerald at this point of his career, probably can't, he doesn't have a lot of hundred and 50 yard games left in him. Right. So now, he I think you're gonna see a resurgence in Fitzgerald at the end of the year. Like they will go to him on like, fourth and five, and he'll make the catch because he's just that good. And I think Murray and and an entire team. I mean, that's that's one of the toughest divisions in football, because we all get the Rams wrong, too. Right. So that's gonna be a good one. But I'm really impressed with with what I've seen so far from from the Cardinals.

Rob Kelly:

Yeah, I just think Hopkins brought out a different elements of this offense that when you add a number one into a team that already had weapons all around, you put DeAndre Hopkins into that offense, and it just changes everything for Kyler because now you have to double DeAndre, which means Andy Isabella is going to be running wide open downfield, Chase admins does have some space, Kenyan Drake's not facing eight in the box every single time. You know what I mean? So so to see the Cardinals actually, do what I thought they were going to do is nice just because of seeing DeAndre, take that team to that next level. I love it.

Joe Malkin:

You could hang out. Oh, go ahead.

Dave Clarke:

Sorry, I was gonna say a guy like Larry Fitzgerald, helping out a guy like Kyler Murray, a veteran like I was talking about veterans leading teams right now, like a very weird NFL season are obviously going to do a little bit better than guys who haven't been around as long. But if you have Larry Fitzgerald near you, and like also, to your point, like of how they're using fits is very similar how we're using Jimmy Graham not to keep talking about the bears, but like we're using Jimmy Graham in like the exact same way. It's like very situational. Like the Patriots sort of invented this, right? Like, like, okay, we'll bring a guy in and just use him for these like situations that we can either manufacture or try to manufacture. Or they kind of naturally emerge in games. And like, that's how we get the edge. And I think like more and more teams are adopting it. You can switch Larry Fitzgerald into a role like that. It's like, Oh, we can just like throw it up to him. He's still taller than everybody else. Like, he's still, he might not have the vert but like he can always be so reliable. You can always catch the ball. You might not be the guy but he can turn inside a guy and like and make a play. You know what, but not take attention away. And you still have to worry about him like Jimmy Graham if Jimmy Graham's on the fields. If life shows on the field. You have a game plan for him regardless of how old he is, because you just don't find they're crafty now. Like they can do stuff,

Rob Kelly:

but whatever. So my badger My favorite part about that combo, though is how much I think what if this job was gonna extend DeAndre Hopkins career? Because if you remember back to what Larry Fitz was when he first started, he was DeAndre Hopkins. He was the guy if he got into the open field, it was over. And that's exactly who DeAndre Hopkins was. And Larry Fitzgerald was able to make that transition to that slot guy to that title game guys so seamlessly, that I'm really excited to see what happens to Hopkins 567 years down the line to see if he can, you know, rejuvenate his career later, as soon as he starts to lose that athletic ability. So I think that's

Dave Clarke:

nice. If Kyler Murray doesn't get killed before then well I look at it.

Joe Malkin:

That's that was gonna be one of my points is it what's great about Larry Fitzgerald is he's coming towards the end of his career DeAndre Hopkins can like thank his lucky stars that the guy we're going to talk about later in the show, Bill O'Brien traded him to Arizona and put him in a phenomenal situation. You're talking about a head coach in his early 40s. You're talking about a quarterback who's very young, and you have a wide receiver that you're not going to have to compete for catches or playing time with, because he's just gonna like Bobby Joe said, extend your career and help you and for Kyler Murray, you have Larry Fitzgerald, who has been through good quarterbacks, Kurt Warner, bad quarterbacks. He's been through really everything with that Arizona team. So there's no competition for him at the quarterback position either. So all he can, all he's gonna do with Kyler is coach them up. So maybe they don't even put a suit on him and hand him a microphone. Dave, maybe, maybe they put a headset on him and put them on the sideline to coach right. So somebody who's who's got a fire in their neighborhood? Nobody, nobody knows. Oh, let's do it. gonna fit? Yeah, where else right? No, no, no, you're fine. Dave. It was just it was just like, whereas I was like, well, it's either it's probably either rayshawn or Dave cuz you know, la or Boston. Those are the only ones but rayshawn was muted, so

Rob Kelly:

or it's just in your head. Yeah.

Craig D'Alessandro:

Yeah, I

Rayshawn Buchanan:

did that because he wanted to lay by near Chicago is on fire.

Joe Malkin:

Oh, wow. Yeah, he's like, I can shut off the the soundbite now. So Bobby, you can hang your hat on. You're on the Cardinals prediction here. Because here are the ones you can't hang your hat on. The Dallas Cowboys coming into today are one and three they could be two and three at the end of this game because they're now back on top. But you guys had them attendance six. Bobby, you initially wanted them at 12. And for you guys, right as of right now have swung and missed on the Dallas Cowboys. And we all know what the problem is in Dallas. So how did you miss?

Rob Kelly:

So it's it's just that we're coming into the season. I don't think anyone ever thought the Cowboys defense was not just going to be bad. But be literally the worst statistical defense in the history of the NFL through four weeks. They have given up 37 points a game. Last game against the Cleveland Browns. That's right, the Cleveland Browns who actually you know, might not be that bad, but so 300 yards rushing against the Cleveland Browns. That is that is those are stats that you see Ohio State put up against Youngstown State. You know what I mean? Like, this defense is so bad that even in a future NFC East I I'll be happy. I mean, like I said at the beginning of the show I was happening. You guys gave me 10 wins. With this defense. I'll be happy with eight tonight. I mean, you picked them at 12 and four, I had them at 10 and six and I think eight or

Michael Marcangelo:

799. Yeah. Well, okay, we'll just meet the middle. And we might not get the point for them. That's how

Rob Kelly:

bad they are. That's how bad they're The thing is, though, is as bad as that defenses. We still might to be honest. That was eight 810 nine, seven seems pretty accurate just because of how bad that division is seven and nine might win the division. Right, exactly. So I mean, do we still get a point? If they go to the playoffs? We missed the record, but we pick them to go to the playoffs?

Dave Clarke:

No, no, no, we're not get we're not giving charity points. So that's a double

Unknown:

consolation is that Dallas Cowboys takes wasn't great. Yeah, it wasn't

Dave Clarke:

great. But here's the thing. I mean, it's got to be brutal as a Cowboys fan watching them because their offense is so productive, you know, like Dak throws for so many yards. You have Zeke, you have Cooper who's doing great for me and fantasy. So you know, I mean, at the end of the day, it's like you watch that and then it's like the polar opposite when that defense comes on the field, and you're not going to be able to play the Falcons every week. So yeah, getting beat by the Browns is still embarrassing, Bobby. It's not like I know better. But it's still embarrassing when you lose the Browns like that stigma hasn't worn off yet. So in a typical cowboys fashion, they couldn't just get blown out. You know what I mean? They couldn't just

Rob Kelly:

they had to come all the way back, get my heart right back in it. I turned the game off. I'm not gonna lie. I was I was driving home. I had it on the radio. And I just was like, You know what, I'm so done with this. And then all of a sudden it was 4124 turned it back on 4136 there's a guy here we go here we got an OBJ just makes them look like like a Pop Warner football team. It just runs

Dave Clarke:

right up to the ages. You know, let them have a breakout game to let him get his career back on track. That's how you know that's how serious

Unknown:

it was.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Sorry, Bobby, so your nickname became this over for a moment. Oh, yeah. That was right.

Rob Kelly:

My channel i channel my rayshawn Celtics depression, boys and there's no No doubt about that, like it comes. It comes from a dark place inside of me that like, I don't even realize what I'm saying until it's like 10 minutes later, and I finally like, come back to earth and I'm like, Wait, what? What?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Alright, um, this is real. I just want you to admit that everybody so I mean,

Michael Marcangelo:

the next year we're gonna make you feel so much better Bobby because Joe's about to lead us into the place where I was. I was I was wrong again.

Joe Malkin:

Do you hear? Do you guys hear it does make me feel better. I'm just saying he's wrong. So the next one, so you guys had the Cowboys winning the NFC East at this point,

Rob Kelly:

my dad thinks we should get a point for the record. Also a Cowboys fan, also a cowboys. The apple doesn't fall far.

Joe Malkin:

So the next team First of all, you guys had the Cowboys win in the NFC East at this point. The Washington football team could still win the NFC so but we'll put that on the back burner. But another team you had winning a division is the Detroit Lions. And they are currently one and three.

Rob Kelly:

We is a heavy word. Yeah,

Michael Marcangelo:

I think I think I just need to take. It should be like you're taking an action. Yeah, just to unload on me because this was not.

Dave Clarke:

No, we don't we don't need to unload on you. We knew at the time, it was a terrible prediction. It was we did it you know for the good of a laugh, which is always a dutiful and honorable thing to do, especially when you're trying to entertain people. You know, to make yourself look stupid in front of all of our listeners is a brave choice, though Shay. And I think I think we've I think we've hit you with this paddled enough like Bobby still wants to

Rayshawn Buchanan:

hold on here for you or do it. I'll just say

Michael Marcangelo:

before you before you come at me, Bobby, I will be closer to the lions pick than you are to the Cowboys back.

Dave Clarke:

So wait a second. So wait a second. You were like, Oh, you guys can just lay it on me. I deserve it. And then

Joe Malkin:

Mike's been doing that since the day he met Bobby. Who

Rob Kelly:

are you kidding? Yeah. This way. We don't need to talk about the throw up story from this week. All right. No. So the only the worst part about that lions pick was that you couldn't have been more sure about it. Like the look in your eye when you made that pic was just like you were like, this is happening, guys. It's happening. And no matter no matter,

Joe Malkin:

but

Rob Kelly:

no matter what we did, to argue against it. We would throw facts out. We're right, Patricia is the way you know, you're

Michael Marcangelo:

bad.

Joe Malkin:

But he even said in the same sentence. He said that Detroit was gonna win the division. So that Patricia was one of the worst coaches in the NFL. And that's no,

Dave Clarke:

he offered no real to his argument he just

Unknown:

had he was

Dave Clarke:

actually he was actually more wrong about he like it like, I don't know why this was the story. Like this is the thing

Unknown:

that I picked up.

Dave Clarke:

But the real story of that, at that division, which is when we started with and he's driving the car and he drove us right off a bridge and the First Division was what he was like, let me just tell you guys something right now Aaron Rodgers is washed. He's not gonna do anything. He's they drafted a quarterback. He knows that his his days are numbered. And Aaron just came in and is having a career year, like all over Mike just all over him. And

Joe Malkin:

so while Mike was swinging it around, talking about the Detroit Lions he missed on the Packers too. So that's a nice transition. And I'm gonna let Dave I'm gonna let Dave finish this point right here. Because he was. I think this one we can also attribute to Mike as well. Love the Packers would finish six in 10. They already have four of those six wins.

Dave Clarke:

by Mike The worst part about that? No, no, no, no, no. He said, Dave, okay, you Pipe down and you take you're talking to you, okay. The worst part about that was that you had like, a person who has a team in that division. And you lump me in with Bobby where you knew Bobby was going to be like, irrational, and like completely absurd about the Cowboys. But like I came to you with like a decent argument for all of these teams. Except I actually was like, so biased when it came to the Packers even more so than the bears. I was like, Yeah, my tell them tell. Given that six and 10 wreck. As much as I'm calling you out for it. I was very like, yeah, they are gonna finish it. Like when was the last time I saw the Packers have a losing season ever?

Michael Marcangelo:

Leaving. The Packers pick was more unanimous and it wasn't like I got the more recent

Dave Clarke:

become a story. That's why I did the

Rob Kelly:

moral of the story is when we get impassioned, please never listen to me and Mike, and DK is always gonna be right. That's the way it comes down to it is that because me and Mike will just argue each other off a cliff to the point where like, we're bold. We don't even know what we're talking about anymore.

Dave Clarke:

That's such a dangerous declaration because I've been raped by accident like maybe seven different times this year. Well, if you I

Rob Kelly:

mean, is like no, this is right. This is right. Nope, we're both really wrong.

Joe Malkin:

Anybody that's listened to the podcast, which you can find by searching the ss w podcast anywhere you listen to your podcast. If you listen, that's kind of the mo of all of us, right? Like, I always kind of feel like, Mike is definitely a voice of reason, when it comes to a lot of things. But Dave and rayshawn are always the ones where they're like, here's the facts. This is what it's this is what it's going to come out like and then and then they somehow hit on these wild things. Except if it's basketball, then raisons Rashard should probably just be the Commissioner of the NBA. It's too

Dave Clarke:

emotionally invested he's too emotionally invested that's

Unknown:

the same statistics

Joe Malkin:

right Dave? You You're not as emotionally I feel like you're not as emotionally invested in the bears as

Dave Clarke:

it's because it's honestly it the thing The reason I'm able to be impartial about the Celtics or the bears is because Liverpool take up such bandwidth in my head, and nobody wants to hear me talk about them because you would think I was babbling crazy person if I had to talk about them week to week, like as if you think rayshawn is like overly attached to the Celtics? If we missed one pass like I start burning things in my house so

Joe Malkin:

like Bobby was with Decker it's just

Dave Clarke:

a scam. It's exactly so it's but it's we can't have too much of that we get to point and laugh at Bobby about the Cowboys but and like make fun of rayshawn in the slack about the Celtics, but like, he can only take so much crazy in this thing. You know,

Joe Malkin:

you're right. Because the way Bobby talks about the Cowboys being down to the giants and week five, you would think they were losing the friggin Super Bowl. So let's let's move on to the AFC because really, frankly, I feel like I feel like we were more right than than these guys when especially when it came to like, you know how they were absolutely. completely wrong about the NFC north. I feel like we were a little bit better. But our teams were kind of easier to hit on to so I'm going to give them that. We hit on the the Ravens and the Chiefs were to the big ones, because how would you not hit on the Ravens and chiefs. So the Chiefs did lose today. They did get beat today, which was kind of a big deal, right? So that we have the Ravens at 13 and three, the Chiefs at 14 and two, both of those teams are four and one after week five. Oops.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, I mean, I think what those teams man, especially with Baltimore is you know, Mike came in, we call them paper champions, and I felt disrespected by that statement. But I think that, uh, you know, I mean, Baltimore hasn't been world beaters, but I mean, four one is still four on one. So they've been great with the run. Lamar Jackson does have to play better though, because they did look like it looked like a JV team against Kansas City a couple weeks ago. I will say that so you hear you hear me saying it. Mike. I was wrong in that Kansas City game. I didn't think they

Michael Marcangelo:

were saying you're wrong about a Wii game.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I was wrong. But again, yes, I was wrong about a game sir. I'm allowed to say that. Can I can I do that? Well, you can I can say that. But you

Joe Malkin:

have to remember that Mike was just wrong about an entire season for two teams.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Right? I could be wrong about the game some who's better than ever guy, right. So yes, you

Michael Marcangelo:

are right, Shawn. You're better you're better. Okay. Okay.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, you're the patient. Just be just be honest. One other. Yeah, both have both been decent. Overall, and obviously, you can set yourself up with the crop. Obviously, no, homes are still otherworldly. You know, me and Joe do not just not agree with Craig's take on the home. So we want to make that clear. Again, we do not agree. Actually, none of us on here agree with that take our passion home. So, you know, the Home Story, the cream of the crop, he's that guy. You know, he made a hell of a thought earlier today where he just um, basically basically made like a baseball play on a football field which was just nuts. But yeah, can send me a Baltimore update. I said they did a AC with the AFC Championship. content. possessions.

Joe Malkin:

So here's another one we nailed really brought it home with this one the Jets are Oh, and five. I actually think we I think we may have missed it. But we're still gonna get the point because I think they could go Oh, and 16 because Adam games is a complete clown.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

And I hope they do. I really do. Because I have a few new yorkers, friends that actually are just fans, which I'm you know, I don't know the choice. Is there anything more

Dave Clarke:

insulting? Is there anything more insulting than a Patriots fan being like, Oh, I really hope the Jets like do okay this year. Like there's the charity in his voice right now. That is like, it's just such a it's such a slap at the back of the hand and like everybody can tell. It's like to feel like win a couple games.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Right? You know, but is it really you know, there's a reason why they say JT has just entered the season. The season ended the moment you step onto the field. So Adam gates, you got to go living on Bell looks like he hasn't been on the field. So I don't blame to me. I would I wouldn't even play they say oh, you know, you got your money Libby on, sit on the sidelines. Watch the team take ELLs and then leave in the offseason.

Dave Clarke:

I knew that was gonna happen. You know, who knew that was gonna happen? Pittsburgh,

Rob Kelly:

everyone. Yeah,

Joe Malkin:

that's That's, that's what I was gonna say. I've said it and we've said it once. We'll say it a million times. The worst move that Antonio brown and levy on Bell made in their careers was leaving Pittsburgh. I

Rob Kelly:

don't know why they did it when the Jets signed levy on. Didn't everyone know that this is exactly where that signing was going to end up? I mean, I know I did. 100% when they signed him, I knew 14 carries for 57 yards was going to be in levy on future a lot.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

So what would you say is like, you know, he was much older, obviously. But it was one of those type of things was like, Oh, he's not gonna he's not gonna do anything here in Arizona, like, I don't know, I just feel like situations matter, obviously. And even though Mike Tomlin didn't always get to the biggest gains, but he's been consistent in Pittsburgh. And I felt like he was the best coach for those players, obviously, like we just mentioned, so

Joe Malkin:

but that situation was different. That situation was different, too. Because let me on an A B, we're in the prime of their career. Like, if he doesn't leave Pittsburgh, I would almost guarantee you that all of the stuff that came out and happened while he was in New England, doesn't happen and doesn't come out. And he's he safe in that Pittsburgh bubble to call it something I just

Michael Marcangelo:

you? You're not safe. You can't threaten a girl in their kid on a text thread in 2020.

Joe Malkin:

Or no, no, absolutely. And I'm not condoning that, or saying that was okay. But maybe it doesn't happen if he just stays there and shuts his mouth.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, you don't you don't get cleaned out by once his birth. Perfect. Perfect either. That happened that changed everything for him. I think people get people. I feel like people downplay that ahead. It was like well, people get hurt all the time. No, he got he got his ass rocked.

Joe Malkin:

Craig Craig has something to say Craig say

Craig D'Alessandro:

you say your piece. You know the Jets plus minuses. A new point. 5.5. It's, it's, well, it's negative 76. Oh, you mean 4.2 5.0? Yes.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

They have plus minus m i always think about that.

Unknown:

Voice Yeah, wait.

Joe Malkin:

So quickly. So quickly, before we move into week five of the NFL our misses. were number one. The Pittsburgh Steelers. I'm gonna go with this one first, because therefore no, we have them attendance six. I think we're gonna still get the point for it because I think they can finish with 10 to 11 wins. But they're they're much better than we had done because we didn't even give them a playoff spot. I think they're gonna end up being in the playoffs. And did you guys have anything on Pittsburgh? Because I think it's pretty self explanatory.

Rob Kelly:

Yeah, the only thing I'd say about Pittsburgh, which kind of goes back to the conversation we were just having is I don't think Big Ben ever has gotten enough credit for what he did in Pittsburgh. You see it now where he's making wide receivers look like Pro Bowl wide receivers every single year. It doesn't matter who he is. But he also i as you know, I watch a lot of the Pittsburgh Steelers because yeah, my fiance is a massive Pittsburgh Steelers fan. I haven't seen him play like this in a long time. And I think it's because this is the first time this is the healthiest he's been in years. That shoulder injury I think was

Dave Clarke:

I think he's been beat up and I think this is just a reminder of him what he looks like when he's not beat up and I think they did a smart thing by when he went down just being like, okay, let's call this season a wash. Let's not try to force him back in and make sure that he goes in there and what's so funny Craig What am I missing?

Craig D'Alessandro:

A Bobby I know what he's laughing at? I already dying.

Rob Kelly:

Oh, oh, what happened? Oh, jack. Gordon Hayward.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Someone just texted me.

Unknown:

Oh my god.

Michael Marcangelo:

Yeah. Wow, he's hurt. He's dead guys got

Unknown:

hurt. Yeah. Greg's sterically Dak Prescott.

Joe Malkin:

Alright, so that's really the last team the last team we missed on and I'm gonna also preface this by saying I think that this is going to turn their season around but we missed on the Houston Texans who are wanting for we had them a nine and seven. Yeah, I think I think things are gonna change in Houston. With with Bill O'Brien gone and I think we're gonna be alright, I know. Well, Bobby, just like signed off here.

Michael Marcangelo:

Yeah, it's crying into a pillow.

Joe Malkin:

Listen, I am too. It's my fantasy quarterback too. So I think we missed at the time on the Texans, but I think they're gonna be okay. And we'll get into why when we get into the rundown of the week.

Michael Marcangelo:

I am. So I am a stickler for the rules. So you do have to pick your third mess because you guys only put two on that list. That's number one. But number two, the Texans have a knack for starting Oh, and three Oh, and four and still somehow finishing nine and seven. I mean, they did it, what three years ago? What they also had Hopkins, but this is not uncharted territory. And it speaks more to how bad that division actually is. Which by the way you pick three of those division teams to make the playoffs.

Joe Malkin:

Yes, Yes, we did. And I still would say that that we go, here we go. Okay, Detroit Lions. Stop it. Who are you with a valid opinion over there? So to me, I'll tell you what I'll offer up. I'll offer up a third Miss because I had these guys in a better record and and Craig and rayshawn brought me down a little bit on this. I'm gonna say I missed on the New England Patriots because I think I think 10 and six might happen, but they're not as good as I thought they were gonna be

Dave Clarke:

say no your time, sir. Caught Wait, you called the Patriots to go? 10 and six?

Joe Malkin:

No, I called him to go like renomia

Dave Clarke:

crazy. I'm saying your team. I'm Senior. What did your team call them? 10 and six. Okay, great. So but what you think they're gonna do worse than 10 and six is this year?

Joe Malkin:

I went in with, I still think we're gonna get a point. But I think I think we're gonna win. I think nine and seven is realistic.

Dave Clarke:

I think I might think the Patriots are better than you think they are then cuz like, and I'm not even a Patriots fan. But I think they'll finish 10 I think you hit the nail on the head, I think you're cruising to a definite score with that they're going to be 10 and 16.

Joe Malkin:

I think and again, it's something to put a pin in until we get to it. Their game has been canceled this week. Again, sorry. Their game has been postponed against the Denver Broncos this week. And scheduled for next week. And we'll get into that because that has created an entire cluster F in the NFL. But I think if and cam cam was healthy, and I think if they had James White against Seattle, that game might turn out differently. And maybe we have a different opinion of Seattle at this point. But they haven't had everybody on the field together at the same time. So maybe 10 cents is right. But I think I think we I may have missed on that.

Michael Marcangelo:

Can I just make a situational hot take right now before we transition to Week Five? Joe? Is that okay? Yes, absolutely. Andy Dalton will will lead the Dallas Cowboys to a division title. And we'll be the starter next year for the Dallas Cowboys.

Rob Kelly:

Did you just see that though? Oh, oh my lord. I haven't. Gordon Hayward stat guys that that.

Joe Malkin:

That was bad. He broke his ankle.

Rob Kelly:

Oh my god. Did he break his ankle? Should we show the folks at home? Correct? Pull it up? Oh, no.

Michael Marcangelo:

We will be pulled over viewer discretion advised today. But you can go check it out because we can't show you because we'll get sued or fined or taken off but go check it out. But Andy Dalton is greater than

Dave Clarke:

Dak Prescott. It's not. It wasn't the quarterbacks problem with the quarterback wasn't a problem in Dallas, they were still a terrible defense.

Joe Malkin:

As Andy Dalton get sacked for a loss of five shook. So we've now told you

Rob Kelly:

again, I'm just shocked, right? Seeing jack crying coming off the sidelines.

Joe Malkin:

Hey, that makes if it makes it any better climate 11 one of my most important fantasy leagues. Gardner Minshew is now my starting quarterback. So I guess I could have worse problems, right. So if so, again, that was us going through our hits and misses on our predictions for the NFL. If you haven't listened to episodes five and six, where we make those predictions, go wherever you find your podcasts after you finish watching us now and you know, or after you finish listening to us when this comes out. But listen to those and you can laugh at us now through five weeks and definitely wrong on the Cowboys after that. So moving on to week five of the NFL and so we talked about this one a little bit, so I want to get back to it because it kicked off the week. The Brady v foles rematch of Super Bowl 52 between the bears and the Bucs on Thursday Night Football. Dave, I'm impressed by your bears. And I think that defense is pretty darn good. I khaleel. Mac is kind of quarterbacking that defense and playing very well. I think that offense has enough weapons to get things done. I was very impressed with them and how they shut down the Buccaneer offense on on Thursday night. And I think that they were part of that reason why Tom Brady was confused at the end of that game. I think that they just they knew how to beat Tampa Bay.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, man. I mean, you know, I love I love having a good defense like as a Bears fan or a ravens fan or any of those types of franchises. The fan base loves having a good defense. I for a long time have been worried about this defense because I feel like they're actually not playing to their potential. We saw a few seasons ago when Vic Fangio was the defensive coordinator. They were like absolute ball Hawks. And they could just take the ball off teams that will much like their 2006 version of the bears defense like basically got them to that Super Bowl. But I think these days, we chase the ball a little bit less, but I think it makes game management a little bit easier. So I think it's a little less hectic when they play now and they they're they're getting a lot better at managing the clock and moving the ball. I think that Mitch got a little bit of a tough shake because I think a lot of it was mental. I think he did have the talent but he just couldn't handle the pressure. And if there's anyone I mean Nick foles reminds me a little bit of Jay Cutler with his demeanor but I think he's just like less of an asshole which is is great you know, because he doesn't seem to get rattled he can shake a lot of stuff off. And obviously this is the most I've really seen him play consistently because I wasn't you know, watching a ton of regular season Jacksonville games last year and I really only follow the storyline of him coming in for wins and the eagles and I think he's perfect and i and i love that naggy has the ability to change his offense around so easily because he used to be an offensive coordinator he knows this stuff. And you know have Nick foles go and beat a tom brady lead and a very good Tom Brady lead Tampa Bay team and the biggest thing for me is Mac is is was a good mention because he's finally penetrating and he had a bad year last year and he's finally getting to the QB again like he used to and that changes games man, you know because when he hits somebody he can take the ball away from I know you had a heartache about the bears Bobby Are you are you suitably calm down to tell us what Yeah, I'm okay.

Rob Kelly:

Um, we just scored a touchdown so it's okay yeah, we're okay. But so I completely agree with you on that cool Mac take I think that there is only one other player in the league that disrupts a game like coil Mac does and that is Aaron Donald's I think those two Yeah, I think those two are on their own level when it comes to what a single one single defensive player can do to disrupt the game because you see it every time you watch the bears it's like no matter what every single player like okay, where is Mac? Where is Mac and that's the same thing with the Rams Where's Where is Donald and and to have that much focused around one guy just freeze everything up so much for the rest of the team has less than just play their game, which is what I think you're seeing the bears defense do right now.

Michael Marcangelo:

I mean, obviously it did so much of that because Tom Brady been to been in the league 21 years now. Right? Yeah, it's at tenable he's been to nine Super Bowls one six of them. He didn't know that it was fourth down.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, so yeah, I was shocked. I was shocked but but but I don't know if that's actually why like to me that was reminiscent of their entire game like they were sloppy on offense. Like I think the reps over called if you watched our Sunday night sport strap SW Instagram Live, or Instagram story. I was very angry at the rest for for both ways of calls because I think they're over calling it which has been a kind of a theme this season. But whatever, we won't get into that. I i they were so sloppy and you've never seen Tom Brady have to deal with that doesn't happen on a Bill Belichick team. And I think that he was livid is why I think he lost track of the downs. I think he was the angriest. I've one of the angriest I've ever seen him. You guys have watched him more than me. But one of the angriest I've ever seen him and I think he was just seeing read. So he and that's what blew the game for them because I don't think he's ever had to deal with the lack of professionalism he saw on his offensive line like or on the other side of the ball.

Joe Malkin:

So two questions on that. Are the Buccaneers what we thought your book and had the book of

Dave Clarke:

yours on our on your book and head Joe?

Joe Malkin:

Are the Buccaneers? What we thought they were gonna be?

Unknown:

I thought they were gonna be better, didn't you guys?

Michael Marcangelo:

Well, I mean, I think we all I think we all do it right. We see like we see the roster we go, Oh, that's a lot of talent like that. That's 13 wins right there. But as everyone pointed out, champions, yeah, yeah, as one point out of that show, like, first of all, no preseason, no preseason, no time to actually I get to get into camera to work with these guys. I still think they're gonna go 11 and five. I mean, that that's still probably going to happen. But just to piggyback on Dave's point before I turn it over, if you read the blog that we posted to the NSW website, Tom Brady never had to worry about other people being where they're supposed to be or doing their job, right. And now he does, and he's still the greatest of all time. Don't that that will never change. But you're seeing it. When's the last time you saw him? Like to your point, Dave, so frustrated about basic routine things happening on both sides of the ball. The Patriots didn't happen, because it didn't happen.

Joe Malkin:

That's the second point. And I know Bobby, you're gonna play off of this anyway. So I'm gonna kind of roll into what you're gonna say. Going to that exact point when he was in and this is nothing against Bruce Arians, because I think Bruce Arians is a very good coach, but he's not Bill Belichick, right? So in New England, to Dave's point, Tom Brady didn't have to keep track of everything that was going on. Because Bill Belichick in that coaching staff and the players Bill Belichick in the coaching staff did a lot of that as well. And the players were all held accountable. Now he's in a different situation. So does not having Bill Belichick. lesson that lesson that intensity from the team and drop that much more responsibility on Tom.

Rob Kelly:

I mean, I think it absolutely does. I one of my favorite tweets I don't even think was real but seeing Rapaport a fake tweet after the game was Tom Brady telling someone Listen, you should have told me it was fourth down. was a you don't have you don't have Bill Belichick to remind you of these things anymore. Yes. Yeah. And seeing that just like I first I believed it which I think is so telling for what Tom Brady actually is going through right now. My second take. Is this Tampa Bay team better with jameis Winston as quarterback. I honestly think they might be because how know do you see? Okay, but but do you see Brady stretching the field at all with these wide receivers that he has? No, but he's like Evan six weeks ago, Mike Evans never had two receptions for two yards with James's quarterback. He had seven catches with 189 yards and two touchdowns. What is Brady doing that James couldn't do. If anything James can do more than what Brady is doing. You think about it. You can't make that statement because he slipped on his receivers. I don't know how like the offense is still adjusting. He came into this offense. It wasn't built around him. Right. But I'm just saying there you don't do you think the Bucs have a better record right now with Brady than if they had Janus?

Dave Clarke:

Yes. They would have won a game of jamis

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Oh God, like are you

Rob Kelly:

kidding me? What is Brady doing that? As has Brady won them a football game yet?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yes. Last week, the Chargers last week so Alright, I got this Mike. I got this. So no so late last week. Yes, the chargers. Now. Justin Herbert is all playing him in the first half. Ready throws a pick six. Everybody on Twitter's like oh my god Brady is trash. You know, we even made jokes on our group chat. And then what happened? La makes its turnover. And I said I bet I guarantee you he's gonna score before the half. They come in, he scores what a half. I said they just lost this game. Because we've seen it for 20 years in New England. Whenever he gets a glimmer of hope is over.

Joe Malkin:

And not only. And not only did Tom win, then win them that game, Bobby, I know it fit your narrative for this week where you said Mike, Kevin's had to Kansas for two yards. But last week, he had seven for 122 and a touchdown. So Exactly. So I think I think the problem is here. No, I actually like what Bobby's saying. Because I don't, I don't disagree. But I disagree with the jameis Winston point. jameis Winston was a 30, touchdown 30 interception guy. I mean, like he's one of the only guys ever to do it in the NFL. And that's insane that he had almost two interceptions and two touchdowns per game. So you bring Tom Brady in there. And like Dave just said, You're you have the team there and you're inserting Tom into it. It's not the other way around like it was for 20. I mean, you could realistically say that the first two years that Tom started o one and o two, those were the two years where that team wasn't built around him. And then oh 304 is when Bill was able to start building around him. Contracts became slick, cyclical. You were able to bring guys in, you were able to bring in your own defense and start working working things in around them that way. in Tampa, he doesn't have to walk in and maybe there isn't the same intensity down there. As there is up here. Maybe Bruce Arians is that much more laid back. We know that he had heart issues after he left Arizona, so maybe he's just trying to keep it common South Florida who knows. But I think one of the biggest things with Tom Brady, is that he's not going to have any didn't have five touchdown games here every week either. But what he needs to do is understand that that's not Bill Belichick lead patriots down there in Tampa, and that those guys have to understand where he's coming from and understand what kind of an offense and what kind of a system Tom is coming from it to be blowing up guys like that. You don't see quarterbacks blow up like at guys like that, like Tom Brady does. And Tom Brady might seem as though he's getting angry with everybody else. But there are times where you can see it on his face. He's upset with himself. And I see that a lot in Tampa Bay now and I thought back in back when he was with New England, it was like, Oh, well, he's he's upset with somebody. He was upset with himself. And you just you just didn't see it because of but where he is now. I mean, I don't think this team is going to be 12 and four, I really don't I mean, 11 and five, but I don't

Dave Clarke:

I don't like and I'll tell you this to your point there is it the the myth of Tom Brady is gone, the amount of teams that used to come in because of everything that you're getting to New England if everything went the same way as the bears Thursday night game, and that was in New England Belichick Tom Brady team, if everything went the same way, they find a way to win because the bears come in half beat already, you know, because you're going into play Tom Brady and Bill Belichick and or like in New England, or whatever set of circumstances apply there. There's no myth around him anymore. He looks so human now. Like he might not be playing that much worse than he was playing like last year, but it's so much more noticeable now. Because as we discussed weeks ago, before the NFL season even started the microscope is just different because he's so Human, and you're never going to see him win another Super Bowl and you're starting to see that become true. And it's such a hard thing to believe because there was already a few of those moments. But this one looks like the real thing because he can't win a game on being Tom Brady anymore. You know, he has to go and actually win that game and it's not as big as the drop off of Peyton Manning but that Miklos is not existing anymore.

Joe Malkin:

I don't want to say that he needs Bill Belichick and that the I don't want to say it, Mike, I don't think he needs Bill Belichick but I think it's going to take just as much as it's going to take big Bill's not gonna win a Super Bowl with cam if that's

Dave Clarke:

still gone. That thing though, that I just said like that I'm scared to go into play Bill Belichick thing. He retained that and Tom didn't and that's telling I think,

Joe Malkin:

absolutely. And we see it with Cam Newton already because of the way that cam runs that style of offense, which I think I think Josh McDaniels has too much of a chubby for the style of offense that he can run with Cam Newton, because we talked about it before, Bobby, when we talked about Tim Tebow. And that kind of an offense like, that's, that's his kind of game, which is kind of scary to me, but you're absolutely right, Dave, to get back to the point. You're absolutely right. Bill Belichick still hasn't you come into New England, you're still playing Bill Belichick. So he has that factor. I think there is some of that still left when you go to play Tom Brady, but but Bill Belichick whether he's 45 or 65 is still as sharp as as ever were Tom Brady. He looks 43 this year? I guess I'll give you that much. But Mike and I saw you I saw you reacting I don't think he needs Bill Belichick where I think he needs Bill Belichick is managing the people around him.

Michael Marcangelo:

Yes, no. Yeah, absolutely. I think a huge part of his greatness was the fact that he only had to focus on his part of the overall game plan of being great right. But like this whole he looks human. This whole this that whole take narrative so far. I he has, you know, 1300 yards passing 12 touchdowns, four interceptions, and a a completion percentage of 63 and a half. Those are all better than every season are on par with every season of his career. Still at 43 agents statistics don't lie though. Dude. He is still cranking it at 43 years old. You can point to whatever you wanted to punch a TK I'm pointing

Dave Clarke:

to a book that says how to lie with statistics about intangibles here my

Rob Kelly:

Yeah, I just think old I was just gonna say it's the eye test that you see. You see these throws that he always made that that were always on point. And now he's just a little bit behind or he he's not.

Michael Marcangelo:

Do you doubt that he'll make the throw or that the receiver will drop the pass?

Rob Kelly:

I doubt he'll make the throw

Dave Clarke:

and and you see him his weapons. He's got weapons.

Rob Kelly:

Right. I think I just I'm with you where I think it does look like he's a little more human than we've seen in the past. I think this is the season that we see. Great. quarterbacks do take that, that next age step when it comes to Brady when it comes to Brees, you're seeing these guys look old, and that's just what they do. Like I said, When was the last time you saw Brady stretch the field? Actually.

Michael Marcangelo:

Last week, five touchdowns.

Rob Kelly:

No, no, no, I read down.

Joe Malkin:

But Bobby's talking about No,

Unknown:

no, they weren't.

Joe Malkin:

It wasn't all but Bobby's talking about throwing the ball. 4045 I haven't seen him throw the ball like dead since 2007. I mean, that's that's never been his mo I think one of the biggest things here is the fact I going back to what I believe it was Mike he's got too many weapons, too many weapons. Well, and and I and he can't he can't use anybody as a Binky here. Like he could do not yet like he could do with Edelman in New England. And not only that, he's having a hard time getting guys to stay healthy.

Michael Marcangelo:

Yeah, not not not not not him. But guy healthy. So not to turn this into like the Brady show. But like what I meant by Do you. So like in a big time situation right? To your intangibles point, Bobby and DK. We know that Brady will make the throw. None of these receivers have ever been in a pressure high win situation? Do you trust them to make the catch? That's my argument. I think he'll still make the throw. But he doesn't have an Edelman he doesn't have an amygdala or actually he kind of he does have gronk but he has a an older version of grace shell of grace,

Dave Clarke:

whatever the reason, whatever the reason, I was less scared of him than I ever have been watching him play the bears last week. So whether it's the receivers fault or his fault or whatever, something there's a chink in the armor now that's never been there before and I think I just watched it happen. I just I just witnessed it. And like when somebody says spread the field, I think what he means is the New England style offense was just different in a way that he could run hurry ups confuse defenses, get them tired, move the ball with athletic receivers, dump it over the middle, like over the middle of the pack and have a guy like Julian Edelman or Wes Welker or Danny Woodhead make a play and I think That the offense, the offensive style is different. And if he still had that level of Tom Brady eliteness, he would be able to make the switch a little bit better. And it doesn't seem like that's what's happening. To me at least.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I mean, no, that's that's a fair point. I do think that uh, and I mean, he wasn't a big name coming into this season, but I do think by the end of the year, he'll be a guy that will become like the element and Scotty Miller, um, I he's been making those type of guys his whole career. And I think Scotty mill is that next guy? So I do think the more time that Scotty Miller and him get on the field, you'll see him turn into the abdomen or Damadola you know, in order Danny was sort of speak and who knows maybe that's what that's what you know for net becomes if he you know, he becomes that running back today. They've had or, you know, the Runner Runner Jones or whatever, like, who knows what, what they'll do, but I don't he still far from janky. Like I said, we didn't we didn't say anything after the five touchdowns last week. Right. And obviously, he's not going to throw for five touchdowns every game. But if you still want to run 65% 60, completing 65% of his passes, arm that's not bad. That's still better than most quarterbacks in the league, to be honest. So I'm 12 to four that's a three to one ratio. I any act there's so many teams that would take that on the team right now. 43 or not.

Joe Malkin:

So to to go to ratios point of why we didn't talk about Tom Brady's five touchdown performance last week. It's because Episode 10 of the SOS w podcast was our first trivia show after four weeks of the NFL and that can be found wherever you find in listen to your podcasts. Listen to Episode 10. And again, go back and check out episodes five and six where we did our NFL predictions Prior to the season. Bobby's getting fired up about Andy Dalton over there. And so and also with the in the interest of not making this the Tom Brady show. Let's look at a few games from week five here. The first one being the Houston Texans. 3214 went over the Jacksonville Jaguars. A couple of interesting points in this game. One is that bill O'Brien was fired as the head coach and general manager of the Houston Texans last week. There there has been no confirmation if he fired himself as head coach before he was fired as GM. But he was fired as head coach and GM last week Romeo Coronel named interim 73 years old Romeo Coronel is the oldest person to coach a game in the NFL passing George Halas who did it at the age of 72. And the Houston Texans win today. 3214 as we mentioned in the previous segment, there now one in four, I think nine and seven is still reachable record. And I think one of the most telling parts of this after the game JJ Watt tweeted, fun. Finally, I think that's very telling what what it was under below. Brian,

Michael Marcangelo:

I have a couple of problems with that though, right. So I do I think that, you know, Bill O'Brien after training way, Hopkins. I mean, that's just one of the dumbest things that I've ever seen. So why do you Why do you fire him for games in? It's because the inmates I don't want to say that but but it's because the players are dictating who the coaches, and that should never, that should not happen, you should finish I

Joe Malkin:

just hang on a second. I disagree with that wholeheartedly, because if that was the case, he would have been fired before the season.

Rob Kelly:

Yeah. And I disagreed just to the point that the stories that were coming out about Bill O'Brien were so so sort of looking forward to meeting, they were so telling of what was going on with that team that they were saying they weren't they were scared to make mistakes in practice. You can't be a football team and be afraid to make mistakes. In practice. That is where you make your mistakes. That's where you find things that that are wrong with your offense. You find things that are wrong with your defense, you find you find a way to fill in those holes. So to to expect perfection. We day in and day out. Just to me as a football team. That's not a way to to proceed and be able to take that next step.

Michael Marcangelo:

All I'm saying is that in any other sport, if we hear that a player is the reason why a coach gets fired, we call that player like a prima donna.

Joe Malkin:

Right, though like, like, Who's that guy in LA? What's his name? Yeah, LeBron will remember. Oh, that's him.

Michael Marcangelo:

Exactly. So I mean, I love JJ Watt. And I actually you know, I love Romeo Cornell two, I think this team has a really good chance to rebound. I think that I don't think I obviously don't think that that O'Brien was getting the most out of Watson or David Johnson or some of the some of the other weapons this year. But I don't like the fact I would have much rather preferred him get fired and say this was a an ownership decision. Not a player, not a player move. I don't I don't like that. But that's just me, I guess.

Joe Malkin:

Oh, sure. But but that's that's why we hold team meetings and team meetings and everything happens in every sport. We hear about them in the NBA. A lot I think we hear about them in the NHL. So I think the NBA is one where you hear about them the most, because I think they do happen the most there. I think in the NBA also, there's such a concentration of players with only having, you know, 12 to 15 on an active roster where those players have a little bit more say because there's, there's probably less, there's probably more attrition to how the top players on the team feel about those coaches, we're in the NFL, you might be a little bit different because the defensive unit might love the head coach and the offensive unit might hate the head coach so I don't I don't necessarily disagree with your point there Mike. But I think I think what it came down to was that it was the final straw and somebody said it in our slack chat. I think it might have been been Bobby, but how do you not

Rayshawn Buchanan:

fire that guy after

Joe Malkin:

he does what he does with DeAndre Hopkins? So, but and then what I and Bobby and I went on a little back and forth there where we were pretty much in agreement, Bobby, but how this was kind of Bill Belichick esque, right how bill O'Brien tried to or he tried to be Bill Belichick esque in the way that he ran his his program in Houston. And I think that was really what was the detrimental point. DeAndre Hopkins had come out and been very vocal against bill O'Brien. And I don't think DeAndre Hopkins wanted to leave Houston. I think he loved playing with deshaun Watson. I think he loved playing with TJ with JJ Watt. I really do think he liked the guys on his team. But at the end of the day, he had such a disagreement with with Bill O'Brien that he was like, man, do what you got to do. And Bill was like, you're right, you know what, I'm the GM. I'm the judge, the jury and the executioner. See you later, you're going to Arizona and I think he tried to get something out of it by getting David Johnson away from them. But David Johnson has been a shell of himself for two to three seasons and he hasn't been able to stay healthy. So I think just a big point of this is that it was time for for Bill O'Brien to go in. This may not have been the best time but I think at the end of the day, we're gonna see that it was the best time because they did look like they were having fun. They looked like a completely different football team today. One

Michael Marcangelo:

last thing in

Dave Clarke:

in, in bill O'Brien's defense just is since this has been the bill O'Brien like let's shoot on bill O'Brien show in his defense. He's had injury prone stars on that team that haven't shown up for entire seasons, he loses will fuller like at some point, inevitably, every single season, who's the biggest weapon on that affair, like now is the biggest weapon on that offense. And in my experience, I'm not saying this is always true. But if your players are coming out and like celebrating that a coach got fired, like after the fact, it seems like they're passing the buck a little bit. And I think that there's a there's a good chance that there's other systemic issues in that Texans organization that we don't see that bill O'Brien may be responsible for but is not going to you're not going to fix it by firing him. So I think there's some leadership issues there. I think that there's some durability issues there that aren't going to get addressed by firing your head coach. It's not a fix all because I don't think he was like if you're talking about a culture issue, your head coach might have established it he might have endorsed it or help to grow Excuse me, but I don't know if if cutting off his head is going to solve all your problems. It will fuller still get hurt, like three quarters of the way through every single season. And if the Shawn has the kind of production that he's been having this season, you know what I mean? It's like that's not all his fault.

Michael Marcangelo:

Just Just one one last one last question for everybody. What was the last time you saw a head coach get fired? Because of a player that was not a quarterback?

Dave Clarke:

Um, well I don't know if he got fired because of the player though. I think he got fired because he couldn't win any games of football.

Michael Marcangelo:

Well, no, it was it was released. It was it was a locker room like, like dispute between him and JJ Watt where it led to a player

Rob Kelly:

coach and I think it was the last straw though I think it's really that's what it was. It's not as he was grounded. There was a lot right there's a lot of things that led to it. And and the one thing that stands out to me when it comes down to is how on earth as an organization, can you allow this man to trade away I get to those financial implications was I get that? But if you thought there was any inkling that this man could be gone halfway through season, how do you let him trade away DeAndre Hopkins I I will never understand that. It's as if think about if you know, you have one foot out the door and organization or you know someone does, and you let them make such a big decision for your organization. And then can him a month later, like to me just as an organization, that'll never make sense to me ever.

Joe Malkin:

Maybe that just means it's a poorly run organization.

Rob Kelly:

That's very possible.

Joe Malkin:

So playing off of the below Brian, firing from Houston and you know, we don't necessarily like to see people lose their jobs here on the internet's to me your podcast, but we are going to move into an award that I really don't want to name after the guy. We were going to originally name it the bill O'Brien award. trying to predict getting a coach that's going to be fired. Who cares bill O'Brien award? Alright, it's the bill O'Brien award. So here we go like it. And the way the way we're gonna play this game is all six of us. I will go last we'll come up with the head coach, we believe we will nominate the head coach that we believe will be fired next in the NFL. We won't find out the winner until it happens. And here's the one rule. Dan Quinn, it cannot be your nominee. I'm sorry, Mike, you can't try and win that easily. Dan Quinn cannot be your nominee because the Atlanta Falcons came out today and said that they were going to there was actually conflicting reports at first. Craig came on was like Dan Quinn gone, but it was actually conflict Monday. Right. It's

Dave Clarke:

like it's definitely happening Monday,

Joe Malkin:

probably saying that they were going to make the decision on Monday or Tuesday. There's no way that Atlanta holds on to Dan Quinn as their head coach. I don't think Arthur blank is a great owner but I don't think he can screw this one up. So

Dave Clarke:

what's next is fine after Dan Quinn and so next what we're doing.

Joe Malkin:

Yes, the bill O'Brien award will go to the bill O'Brien award dedicated to Dan Quinn will go to the coach fired after Dan Quinn rayshawn. Your first

Rayshawn Buchanan:

No. I am going with Matt Patricia. He he needs it's a

Unknown:

bye week for the

Rayshawn Buchanan:

lions. They can't even lose what else? What else? Cool. Well, you know, just like to say how you get fired on your day off for your fighters. You know, so, to go, um, yeah, he needs to go he he's done nothing in Detroit. And yes, he has some plans to get hurt too. But, you know, you've built no culture. You know, the only thing growing is your beard. So it's not for you to go sir.

Rob Kelly:

Bob Kelly, who's your Who's your Dan Quinn or your bill O'Brien award? Yeah, they both work. So not not not to twist it on the first on the first award, but I'm not going head coach. I'm going defensive coordinator. And that's Mike Nolan, the defensive coordinator in Dallas Cowboys. This man has run such an atrocious defense to this point that I don't see another nominee. Not only is he been bad this year, but this man has been the worst defensive coordinator in the last four years that he's been defensive coordinator. Alright, two times as head coach with the San Francisco 40. Niners he had the worst ranked defense and three out of four years with the Atlanta Falcons he had a bottom for ranked defense, the writing's on the wall. I don't think there's any more else that you can say about it is like this man cannot coordinated defense. It is plain and simple. If you can't stop it Jason Garrett lead giants offense without say, Quan Barkley, that I don't want you any part of my football team. Mike no one 100% bill O'Brien, Brian Ward,

Joe Malkin:

Mike Mark Angelo.

Michael Marcangelo:

Alright, so I would say that Adam gates would probably be the person to be fired, but I don't think that the Jets care enough. Number one, they're probably in the tank for Trevor. And two You know what, not Adam no effort Adam gates. You know what he said after the game today? He said, I don't I don't really understand why this is happening because it doesn't match up to what I'm seeing in practice. That's coaching. That's all coaching. fire him now. Greg Hey, Dave Clark

Dave Clarke:

All right. Well gone last time this one's tough because in actual order I think the next coach fire got picked. All my all my guesses got picked. So I'm gonna go with a little bit of a weird one. I don't think he's gonna get fired. But I think the next prominent coach to leave their job will be Josh McDaniels because I think he's gonna go take the Texans head coach job. I think that it's the smartest the smartest play for anyone needing a head coach right now is to go and get Josh McDaniels. So I think the next I think Bill Belichick will. Yeah, exactly. I think he'll do a really good job in Texas. I've been an advocate, even though again, not a pats fan. But I've been an advocate for Joshua downs as a head coach for a long time. I think he got dealt a tough hand. in Denver. He definitely did make some young coach mistakes, but I don't think he got enough time or rope. I think that Texas team has built for him. I think he can do a lot of the cool stuff he's been doing with Cam Newton over there with deshaun Watson who is more explosive, younger and has more tools. And they need a young guy. They definitely need a young guy over there. So if they haven't thought about it yet, I would recommend that the Houston Texans they're a badly run organization. Don't get me wrong, but I recommend the Houston Texans go and look for Josh McDaniels and Bill Belichick. Mercy fire him so he can get a promotion.

Joe Malkin:

So now, does that happen a lot. Would you say that that happens during the season or does Romeo finish the season out?

Unknown:

I think that it happens on Wednesday.

Michael Marcangelo:

Wow. Whoa,

Joe Malkin:

hang on. That's that's pretty big. All right, let's, let's finish this and come back to that heartache. Craig, do you have a coach who you believe is going to get fired next? Ah,

Craig D'Alessandro:

you know, I'm looking through all the head coaches right now I'm looking at them all. And there's really none of them that haven't spoken for already. I can justifiably say, oh, they're gonna get fired, but I'd like it. I look at Kyle Shanahan. I think maybe he could be, you know, he does not have a winning record as a 40 Niners like goats and won the Super Bowl last year, but they've only had one that's one NFC Championship one NFC East NFC West championship. If I had to pick one, you know, I'm looking through a mall and I'm trying to think of one that, you know, could possibly be the next one that hasn't been mentioned. I can't name any of them. Besides maybe i'll i'll Shanahan maybe Doug Peterson or something like that. But other than that, no head coaching in the NFL right now is not as bad as we make it out to be.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I'll also tell you right now, I mentioned but go ahead, Mike.

Michael Marcangelo:

I was gonna say, I think that Mike McCarthy's job was just saved by Dak Prescott century, right? If he's the starter and they go own or they go one and five one and six like you have to cannon but now

Joe Malkin:

I don't think so. Yeah. I think

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I'm with I'm with you, Mike out. I was about to say him. That was my arm were mentioned because if I said that, that getting hurt is you know, it's awful, obviously, but had a went six and 10 511, four and 12 years ago compared to Jason Garrett because

Rob Kelly:

he clapped all over gonna say though, is I set it to give you the season is Groundhog's Day in Dallas. all over again. We're already we're already

Dave Clarke:

already clear. It's

Rob Kelly:

already we're already talking about an injured quarterback saving the Dallas Cowboys head coach job. It is week five. And I had been talking about this for 10 years and I thought it was over

Unknown:

and over again.

Joe Malkin:

I don't know I've I don't agree with it because I think Bobby's on to something with the defensive coordinator. I think Mike McCarthy is a good head coach. But I think if the defensive coordinator isn't fired by the Dallas Cowboys after this performance against the New York Giants, there's a there's a big problem because this giants team is I mean they're an NFL team, but they're they're bad. So here's mine. Originally, I had Zack Taylor of the bangles being the first one to go, I was clearly already wrong. I also don't think we have a question.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah. Are you just gonna give yourself the award that if you're going to nominate someone because that's

Unknown:

not like a conflict

Michael Marcangelo:

of interest? My my,

Joe Malkin:

my nominee is going to tell you who the winner is. Gotcha. That makes sense. So I thought it was gonna be Zach Taylor, initially. Mike kind of talked to me off the ledge at that point was like, you know, give them some time with Joe burrow. I put this in the show notes as well that I think Joe burrow might be the real deal. They did lose today button the winner that I'm the I'm gonna pick the winner, even though we can't really pick it up until it happens. So I'm going to call it my nominee. And I don't care that I'm repeating is Adam case. I think Adam Gates is an absolute fraud. I don't understand how one Mike you said it for me because that was going to be my point on what he said after the game. It's not what I see in practice. Ladies and gentlemen, this is this is the guy that brought the Miami Dolphins to their last playoff appearance three years ago like he if you want to see anybody a team that has had terrible head coaches, go to the Miami Dolphins and look at Joe Philbin and Adam case because I think they have a very good head coach now and right

Dave Clarke:

it Adam days for weeks now you've been saying I haven't

Joe Malkin:

because I because i think i think Sam Donald's getting the short end of the stick. I think Sam Donald is a better NFL quarterback than Carson Wentz. And, and, and he's getting an edge he can't do anything because Adam case is his frickin head coach. And I had an honorable mention. And Craig said, Craig, who else did you say besides Kyle Shanahan you said somebody else and I can't remember who it was. Oh, Peterson. Peterson, Doug Peterson is my honorable mention because that Philadelphia team. First of all, I understand sticking with Carson wins. I understand why he did it. I understand what he was trying to do there. But to let Nick foles who won a Super Bowl walk out the door is insane. Well, it's an absolute

Michael Marcangelo:

point. You can't You can't pay a backup what he was what he was going to get on the open market. So

Joe Malkin:

but now, but now we're getting into the organization. But now we're getting into the organization again, right? So did the organization just like just like the organization seemingly did with Jimmy Garoppolo in New England, is the organizational decision getting in the way of the coaching decision where they could have traded Carson Wentz away who can't stay healthy, yet they could have traded him away for what basically whatever they wanted and had Nick foles still at quarterback, and ever since Nick foles is left that team has just gotten progressively worse. So is that the organization stepping in just like we're talking about with Houston New England?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Well I wrote down in one new attend on one with him before he got hurt that year. Yeah, no, I think that's what put sorry, Mike but that's I think that's what put them in that position like okay, he got hurt, but we saw him on the field. Like when he's when he's on he's On and he can play he can play he can play quarterback like I'm not here to bash Carson Wentz but I think that if I'm like I like Jalen hertz like I want him to get drafted in a sec or combine him but that didn't happen to everyone Philly but I feel like it's the same thing was going on in Chicago to like you had because those guys like once in Traverse he went so high even if you don't feel that they're the guy but because you took them so high and you he mortgaged your future so to speak to them. It's like I you have to give them a quote unquote eliminate chances until you just feel like okay, they're no longer the guy and that's what's happening in Philadelphia unfortunately and it may lead to their demise but you know, it is what it is.

Michael Marcangelo:

Here's what I would say for Peterson though like you can't grade him on on just like the on when's being hurt right you have to grade on how he coaches the team when his star goes down and to his credit has started going down and they want a Super Bowl.

Joe Malkin:

So So does maybe his job gets saved kind of like you just said about that getting injured like does maybe Carson Wentz being injured, which to Ray Ray the way I handle your point is that you think he's kind of like Ben Roethlisberger right now he's not 100% he's not ready to go Is that the kind of situation so Doug Peterson's gonna get to hang around

Dave Clarke:

now what save what seems Doug Peterson's job is the same thing that saved Mike McCarthy's job for years that that shouldn't have is that he's he is a super winner it's undeniable he can't take that away from them. And they want us to because of him, like a lot of people say like oh Nick foles you know, but like he designed really clever plays. He beat the Patriots at their own game. You know how I know he did all this stuff because he then went on a self congratulation tour for a year and a half wrote a book how I did it or whatever it was called it was like this they had like such a way to my book. Yes. Yeah. And it's and it's it's just like he was very self congratulatory, and like really took the shine off of that achievement for me like very very quickly. But I think that's what's saving his job I think the fact of the matter is he's got a ring and we wrote that's

Rob Kelly:

four years four years that's the that's the that's the the cushion when it comes to Superbowl

Unknown:

is that how long

Rob Kelly:

lasting I think it was about four years yeah, four to five

Dave Clarke:

he got fired because he got into it with Aaron Rodgers though like he even still had more rope after that. But he got into with Aaron Rodgers and it was like obviously we're gonna side with Aaron Rodgers like he's also Super Bowl winner by but I think that he could have stuck around as a cancer in that place for longer probably like he's gonna do in Dallas, if I'm being honest. But yeah, what's what's saving his job is definitely the fact that he's one of them a ship you know, I mean, and, and the next year, the same thing happened and he went back to the playoffs, and made another run like so he's proven that his coaching can get you to the playoffs. Now, that doesn't need a star player shirt. We're gonna call Nick foles. A star player. I think Nick foles was a star of that Super Bowl, to the case point because of Peterson's gameplay. So as much as he's my quarterback, though, too, there was no game tape on the guy really? Like you went in and you had all these like weird things that Nick foles did that like Belichick really couldn't prepare for like that much. So now there's tape on him, obviously, like his performance is going to be a little bit more suss. But like Same thing with Peterson though, like he might be out of ideas. Your name like he might have been an early and early Blore

Joe Malkin:

or maybe maybe to raisons point which again is how I'm interpreting when rayshawn said Carson Wentz is unhealthy. I don't and you know what now thinking about it? I don't think he is. So Dave, I absolutely agree. I agree with your point. But I think that Carson Wentz isn't healthy and that he's not

Dave Clarke:

healthy. Why is Doug Peterson I watched that game today. He's not healthy. Why is Doug Peterson running option plays with him and letting him run up the middle with the ball.

Joe Malkin:

If Ben Roethlisberger wasn't healthy, why was he doing things he was doing?

Dave Clarke:

I mean, granted protection his thing was he had no protection like they were running plays for Nick for Carson Wentz today. Like designed to like have him get hit, you know what I mean? to like go to his strengths or whatever, like have him make plays. That's that's not like that's any also he's making boneheaded throws. It's not

Joe Malkin:

one that season. Why sorry. You're gonna go like to where I

Dave Clarke:

yeah, no, it's a valid question. It's a completely valid question. Go ahead.

Joe Malkin:

They went, they went. 10 and one, so how did they go? 10 and one that season he gets after?

Dave Clarke:

I really I really think what happened? I really think it's a game tape issue. I think that Doug Peterson came in I think he called a lot of unconventional offensive plays. I think that he ran a very cushioned defense that was like a kind of like that one year or the year either the year previous or two years previous to that with that the Patriots had where there wasn't a lot of names on it, but they had this whole bend don't break style. Peterson adopted out a little bit. He he absorbed pressure. He kept the ball a lot. There was a lot of stuff that he did that was pretty, like new and innovative in the NFL, but that's all stuff that everyone's sort of figured out like remember when the Wildcat came in and it was like scorching everybody for like eight minutes. Yep. And then it was like and then Bella check, I think was the one that was like, Okay, I'm gonna get pee, but I was like, watch this. And then just like figured it out. He got beat up by the Wildcat then he came

Joe Malkin:

by once before you see So,

Dave Clarke:

let it happen again.

Joe Malkin:

We got way off base. So the point of this was the bill O'Brien award, which I think is safe to say. We're gonna give the bill O'Brien award who will be the third coach in the NFL to be let go because bill O'Brien has been fired, making way for Romeo Coronel to be the interim head coach in Houston. We assume Dan Quinn is going to be let go in Atlanta. Adam case is going to be the winner of this award this week because as if we're gonna do it weekly, this time around because I think Adam gates really is the next next guy to go. Mike, I hope they care enough in New York because I don't think I've ever sympathized with jets fans as much to see a guy like Sam, Donald and the team put together that should be a lot better than they are. Go through that. So guys, let's let's get into the chaos of the NFL, because I think we've talked about it already a lot. But let's get into what's actually going on because we're going to be seeing a lot of things happen over the next few weeks that we've really never seen. The first note I have is Tuesday night football. So this morning, Sunday when we're when we're on live, and you can if you're not watching us live, you're listening to us sometime on Monday or Tuesday. But the bills and Titans are set to play what was originally 6pm. But it looks like it's now a 7pm kickoff on Tuesday night. So we get Tuesday night football this week, which is very exciting, which means it I'm not even sure how this is going to work. We'll have to look at the schedule that I put out. But the bills who will play Tuesday night against the Titans were supposed to play the Ravens on Thursday night, next week. So clearly, there's not going to be a day between games because the Ravens would just run all over the bills. So that game is going to get moved. So we don't know the state. As of this exact moment in time, we don't know the state of next week's Thursday night game. The Broncos and patriots which was originally moved from Sunday to Monday at 5pm has now been moved to next week when the Broncos were supposed to play the dolphins. And you know, Broncos players were tweeting before this decision was made that about the fairness of this situation. And I'll get into that in a second. But guys, we're talking about a lot of things moving a lot of moving parts because of COVID-19. And the things going on in the league. Initially this morning, they came out and said hey, there's another positive test for the New England Patriots. We'll see what happens. There was also allegedly one for the Tennessee Titans, but they haven't moved that game against buffalo. So maybe everything is is so virtual right now that they don't have to do that. But guys, I mean, what are your initial thoughts on number one Tuesday night football, the state of the Thursday night possibility not happening? And then Broncos players tweeting about the fairness of the situation?

Michael Marcangelo:

Yeah, I mean, so I think Tuesday night football, I think that's, that's gonna be interesting, right? Like, would you rather have a Monday, Sunday, Monday and Tuesday night game as opposed to Sunday, Monday and Thursday at down down the line? Who knows? I just think that it now, like the players that opted in, and all of us that are have have decided to come along for the ride. This is what's going to happen, right? I think the end goal should be to get to whenever whenever the Superbowl is by that date, if you have to push that back a couple weeks, maybe we should start with maybe we should do that. I don't every every other league out there altered their entire league year to fit to fit the schedule, and to make sure that all the games got in. I think that it I think that it will be dumb for them to think that we have to get all the games played. And the third world has to happen on February 3 or whatever, whatever the date is. Let's be a little a little lenient there. But fairness. You know, to quote you, Joe, I think fairness is all relative and COVID-19 era of football right? I don't think that that Goodell is trying to screw any team. I think he's trying to get all these games in by the by the Superbowl by that date. I think that's an error. I think that needs to be flexible as well. But I think that we're gonna we might see a Wednesday night game we might see Saturday night games before before December. I mean, I think that that's all that's all in play.

Dave Clarke:

So real quick on I'm so surprised that that's your take on this because I feel like they're doing a bad job. I mean, I feel like they're doing a bad job of containing positive tests. I think they're and the way that you can know that they're doing a bad job is that there's precedent. other sports leagues have already done way better a way better job than the NFL like containing

Michael Marcangelo:

spread of the virus, what nonverbal what non bubbles sports is better because the

Dave Clarke:

what you're inventing, that's an invented term non bubble sports, the NBA. The NBA made decisions in order to prevent people from getting and spreading COVID and save their season at the NFL has not done that they basically were just like, I guess we'll test everybody. Let's just play. We want to have preseason games. Like what difference does that make? Honestly, you know what I mean? I think this

Michael Marcangelo:

is like that same speed of that the MLB hit back in July. They went through that like That we have

Dave Clarke:

visited them for running their organization terribly. But then they

Michael Marcangelo:

figured it out. But then they figured it out. So like, we need to, we need to let the NFL figure it out.

Joe Malkin:

So my hang on hold on to that point, Dave, where you just said there was already precedent set. Now, to Mike's point, there's already precedent set. Right. So back in July, we rip the MLB. And that's, and I will preface this by saying there is absolutely no reason, reason for us not to rip the NFL, we should absolutely rip the NFL. But the reason why we can give them a little bit more leash is because there has been precedent set, set already. The MLB also plays six to seven games a week, they did scheduling double headers, these are things that you can't just do so to what Mike was saying is you have to elongate your season, because you can only play one game every, let's call it let's call it six

Dave Clarke:

days. So early in COVID. It was so early like I had all this time to prepare for this. And the reason the reason you're here to cover world that counts for so much do we know so much more? When the MLB we're trying to then we're when the MLB we're trying to get back together Come on. And I rated them for that. And the NFL had all this time to prepare. And, and this is this is like on brand for them to screw this up in this way. This is like 100% on brand, because you're following people into the stadium still, even though they're the worst sport for spreading this virus. They're letting fans come in, I understand that like on a base level, you're going like, well, there were masses outdoors, like it probably won't be a spreader event if you like put them in there. But for the optics, while they're simultaneously losing the battle to COVID. And it's looking at at like At this rate, like their season is going to go down and the shifts, and everything we've talked about will all be for naught. And they're not coming out with any kind of communication of like, Hey, listen, like we get it. We're trying to do a better job or taking any responsibility. I don't get why we do we always do this with them with the NFL. They're like they're like our favorite kid or something. Because you know why? Cuz the product was so good. Yes.

Michael Marcangelo:

But my main point was that they're screwing this up so much right now because they're unwilling to move

Rob Kelly:

yet. I think. And I think I think that's another thing too is when you look at what their main focus is, they can keep saying my main focus is to keep these people safe to keep our players safe. That is absolute horseshit. Your main objectives, your your main objective is to get your season in, in the in without changing your schedule as much

Unknown:

as little money as Right,

Rob Kelly:

right. That's exactly. And I think that's so evident with the fact that they played that patch chiefs game last week, there was no reason for them to play that patch chiefs game, when it comes down to safety of the players, because of how recent people had tested positive. The only reason you play that game is so you don't have to reschedule it, and mess with everyone's season. That's the only reason that game got played because they knew that this week was also going to be a problem. So they knew that canceling last week's game would affect this week's game. And therefore now you're two weeks back. And that's the same thing we're looking at what the Titans right now is why they're forcing so much to play on Tuesday, because they want to get that game in. Because if they don't, that's going to mess up their schedule and the way that they have these games planned, so bad, and it's going to make them look so bad further down the road. So I just think when they say that they are putting safety first. I think that's the biggest problem for me, because I think it's so evident that that's not what they're doing.

Michael Marcangelo:

If they would just move the Super Bowl today until the last Sunday of February. Every three more weeks. Could all this could all be rectified. Let's just put up. Just put a pause on it. Let's make sure we are handling our handle.

Rob Kelly:

I agree. But I didn't think you have to put a date on it. I think we played a Super Bowl.

Michael Marcangelo:

Well, they don't. They don't want to go up against March Madness if it happens, right?

Rob Kelly:

We're gonna wait everything. It doesn't matter if it's March Madness, baseball, basketball.

Michael Marcangelo:

They're causing so much more of an internal or an external problem right now. The point TK is because their of their unwillingness to adjust the end date, and every other league shifted their entire year and their next year schedule to make sure that we that they got their season in safely. The NFL has not done that yet. They I think they probably thought that they were too big or too profitable. Or maybe it just won't happen us. Well guess what it's happening now. So why don't you make a precedent let's let's just say you know what, the Superbowl is not going to be played on the first Sunday of February. If we need to move it, we need to move it. Do we need to put the best interest of the fans if you want to have them in the stands and the players first and the only way that we know how to do that is by extending the year what if they say that? You know what we know the evisceration can be over but until they do say that you're 1,000% right.

Dave Clarke:

It's going to be extreme because I know you don't want to victim blame and I know you don't want to say like anything is anybody's fault. But I think you could conceivably ask the players and with the way the coaches have behaved especially with like mass swearing and like all that stuff and how much of an issue that's been if you're the NFL you could conceivably go like okay guys. We're trying to get This season done. We're getting too many positive COVID tests. You guys are all wealthy enough that like the lowest contract in the NFL is what at this point does anyone know like 400 freakin dollars yeah 450 grand you're all wealthy enough that you can self isolate during the regular NFL season. And if you get COVID we could start treating it like you got busted like drinkin, and they put it up on Facebook and start finding them and like taking away extra PT than they already have to lose for not, you know, passing their COVID tests like I mean, we could treat it like that. I know that's extreme and I know that you get into a situation like you have with baseball then when you piss off all your players. But if you're on the Patriots right now, are you a little pissed a Cam Newton because he's the only one that got it. So that means that it wasn't no more in no more fine and player. Fine. But like, wouldn't the outbreak be way worse? If it was like an internal thing? Like they went and got it? They did something stupid and went and got it.

Joe Malkin:

So that's it. That's I know that this whole thing. That's part of this whole thing. I think we're actually all a lot closer than we think we are. But can we also make the argument that you know, there was another test this morning, a presumptive positive from the New York Jets that came back negative when retested Okay, so then everyone on the New York Jets tech jets tested negative. Okay, there's been one guy in Kansas City, it was a strength coach. We know that really, of the 32 teams, there has been one team with an actual outbreak. And that's the Tennessee Titans. Now, we can go into the science of it all. But none of us are scientists, right? We can go into how the lab in New Jersey came out with 77 positive test test before the season, they were retested all 77 came back negative, we can go into how some guys test negative on a on a Wednesday and then come back positive on a Thursday on a Friday on their next test day. Because that's a there's not as much science to this virus as people think there is and it can't just be done over with it's never gonna go away. Right? It's just like every other virus is never gonna share why you

Dave Clarke:

care. Whatever about wherever about the virus itself. The point is in the NFL, if you are the Tennessee Titans, could you put sanctions and fines on the Tennessee Titans? The NFL right now that's where you're going like you guys screwed up. Nobody else screwed up. Is that fair to do? I don't know. Like I like I feel like you could make the teams responsible for themselves just be like, Hey, you guys got to contain your stuff. So we can like get this thing going. We're into nature of how we're entering

Joe Malkin:

three of this problems. So this is my this is my next I just

Dave Clarke:

wouldn't be surprised if the Tennessee Titans were found out to like have lacs protocols. And that's what got them a like an event like this.

Rob Kelly:

You know, that's already been that's already been a story that people have been talking about is why right? What is why have they had this right, that organization?

Michael Marcangelo:

Well, what you can do is Gruden hey, yeah. What you can do, you can use the NFL though is like, okay, you're not doing a bubble. Sure. But every player in the MLB or in the NBA and the NHL went somewhere and isolated themselves, right. So now you can you can maybe retro activate like a mandate that says From now on, every player that has opted into play in the NFL has to make sure that they maintain zero contact with anyone else. I already didn't do

Unknown:

that. They already didn't.

Dave Clarke:

You can't do that. So so I could have done that when they did the OPT outs and the opt ins, it's like that could that could be part of the opting in, but it's too late. Now

Joe Malkin:

there. So this is where this is where we can't put everything on the NFL and the owners. Okay, this is this is where I'm gonna throw a wrench in players if because the players and the Players Association signed off on this. And this is another mistake they made in this deal. Right? They I think they assumed as almost as a collective if they didn't opt out, like, as you said, they already had that period, right? They, they were already allowed to do that. And the guys chose not to didn't. So they all they all were for the most part. I don't want to speak for everybody in the Players Association, because we know not every major league baseball player was happy with that that deal either. But the majority signed off on what this was. Now here's another kicker to this. And Dave, we talked about the Titans now entering week three of this outbreak within the team 23 people within the organization, which granted we're looking at a large number of people in an organization. But here's a fun one for you and why it kind of validates the Broncos coming out and saying, what is what is going on? And why are we getting punished for this? Why did we practice for an entire week for this game to get moved? If a game isn't played as it is written right now, if a game was forfeited or canceled, the players don't get a game check and that and that doesn't matter if they play for the team that forfeited or didn't. So now we're talking about people's livelihoods people's jobs people's money.

Dave Clarke:

That in some ways a little bit more careful though. You know what I mean? If they maybe,

Joe Malkin:

but Dave, but we're but let's let's talk about it this way. Let's talk about the Titans in the bills. Okay. Let's say the Titans are the team that aren't being careful. But the bills are being careful. So now this game is canceled. And now Josh Allen, or let's say that the 53rd guy on the roster isn't isn't getting his game check this week to build up the bills. Don't forfeit that game, though. They don't get paid. But they don't get their game check, because you got to write a special provision in my head, but you just said it. We can't go back and do it. Yeah, that period is perish. So there's

Dave Clarke:

some things you can go back and do. I think there is I think there is a pejorative stuff that you could put on certain teams for screwing up their own quarantine. It can't be if you opt in, that means you have to isolate because you can't like I don't I think you're in murky legal waters there. But I think what you can do is you can say like, Hey, we're having some outbreaks, man. And you guys like we just phrase it exactly like you just phrase to Joe, we shouldn't be punishing the bills because the Titans screwed up. You know what I mean? Like we are don't even don't even put the blame on the Titans. We shouldn't be put punishing the bills, they didn't have an outbreak.

Rob Kelly:

And I think I think that's what it comes down to is what is the NFL ultimate goal is, is it to get the season in in that short amount of time to play the game? They want to? Do they want to play that game. If they just want to play that again, you're not going to see that happen. If their goal is to play the Super Bowl on time, then you absolutely will see forfeits happen. And I don't think that there's any doubt about that. You know what I mean? becomes two straight weeks teams getting teams camp games canceled. eventually it's going to be like Alright, guys, what are you doing? It really depends on what their goal is, I think was what it is.

Joe Malkin:

So here's where it comes down to brass tacks, right. And we talked about we talked about Mike's thing here, where we move the Super Bowl out. And this is another point we have to make here. Yes, the NBA and the NHL went into bubbles of the four and the MLS did it for a little while with the tournament down in Orlando. But now they're having problems as well because they had three games canceled this weekend. Because three teams came back with COVID test Bobby you're getting you're getting you beat the Giants calm down. So um, so the the MLS kind of did this right at first down in Orlando. The NBA did it right, the NHL did it right. Also the smallest rosters in all of sports, Major League Baseball, expanded their roster to 30 football expanded their roster to 58 or 61 of the two. And now so now we're talking about smaller rosters. less money relatively but in sports that make less money, especially in the case of the NHL in the MLS. The NBA might be more on on par with the MLB. But you can't you you also have

Dave Clarke:

to pay you can pay plaque at least pay practice squad players to self quarantine. You can go Hey, practice squad players, but they've been the biggest problem. You can't You can't go and get COVID or else you're cut from the practice squad.

Joe Malkin:

So but they've been the biggest problem, Dave Right. We've seen it with the Patriots. We've seen it with the Titans. We've seen it with the chiefs. We've seen it with more than that. We've seen it with the Raiders. So when Sam was

Dave Clarke:

one though, wasn't he wasn't a number. It wasn't a chronologically Numero Uno.

Joe Malkin:

Yeah, chronologically, number one, right. And then there was the practice squad guy, and then Gilmore who could have been positive when you talk to Patrick mahomes. But apparently, Patrick mahomes came back negative. So we also also have to look at this and say that there's not a guarantee that you're going to come down with it, or maybe mahomes already had it. And that's why he didn't come back positive, you know, so there's so many variables, and there's so many things that go into this whole thing. But also, you have to look at the length of the seasons to right, Major League Baseball's regular season in a regular year is 25 weeks. Okay, they cut down, they cut that down to 16 games in basically, how many weeks is that? 10 because they play pretty much every day. So we'll call it we'll call it 10 weeks, so they cut their season, more than in half. The NHL and the NBA did the same thing by bringing everybody into a bubble. The NFL is going to have a problem with that because their season in a typical timeline is 24 weeks is 24 weeks long, but they cut four weeks of that off. So now it's only 20 weeks, but you also only play one game a week. So at what point? Do you just extend the year out and say, Hey, we know that Tony Romo and Jim Nantz want all this money for calling the Super Bowl. But see how I got Bobby back involved. But you got to talk about the Super Bowl and say, do they want to move that but I think at this point to Dave's point, you have to be willing to be flexible in this day and age at this point in time. This may be different come the fall of 2021 and moving forward. But at this point, Mike I have to agree with you and say that we have to we have to be flexible and move this and speaking of the NFL adjustments and I'll let you guys talk about this before I keep railroading the segment. nine teams are going to be affected by this patriots. patriots Broncos game being moved and we still don't know if the Titans building I mean the title is Bill's game could effectively be moved right we're, we're just under 48 hours from that game being played. But this game is being moved who's going to affect New England, Tennessee, Denver, Buffalo, Kansas City Miami, the Chargers the jets and Jackson. And here's how they're going to do it. The Jetson chargers move from week six to week 11. The jaguars and chargers moves from week eight to week seven. Well that's interesting. The Chargers and Broncos moves from week 11 to week eight. The Chargers dolphins moves from week seven to week 10. And the dolphins Broncos moves from week six to 11. Changes in the bye week show Denver switches from this week to week from this week to this week from week eight. New England's from next week to this week. The charges from week 10 to next week. The dolphins will now have their bye week and in next week from week 10. Jacksonville from week seven, week eight. And the Jets from week 11 to 10. Is this all of this movement, at this point, worth not changing the schedule to get the season?

Rob Kelly:

No, that's what that's that's, that's, that's where I think that is that was so confusing to me. Right? Like it's already on that, you know what I mean? Like the fact that their unwillingness to extend this to, to draw this out and and do what they can to make it more seamless for these players to make it safer for them is just so evident by you just reading all that because it's like, What are you guys doing? Like, really? What are you trying to do here, you know what I mean? Like, you're just, you're trying to get a season in without an asterisk without stopping or whatever the case may be, but in the same time, is you're now messing with these players, and you're gonna be messing with the quality of play that everyone's seeing. Because of all this movement,

Michael Marcangelo:

it's just crazy to me, they are holding themselves accountable to a timeline into a date that they created. Yeah, like, they can move it, just move it just do do the right thing and move it so you know what the Superbowl will be will be played in the winter of 2021. Period. And the story it will be played.

Joe Malkin:

And that's the biggest problem I have with with every sport and really a lot of things in life is everybody's like, we have to do this. And it's like, Listen, if Craig released one of our episodes at 1pm on a Thursday instead of 5am on a Thursday, who the hell cares? It's our show. We make the rules, Craig can do whatever the hell he wants. He's

Unknown:

the one that cares, though.

Joe Malkin:

Yeah, that's true. Craig Craig doesn't do that. Craig doesn't sleep until that episode is published. But the point is, is is that we create timelines that we feel we have to stick to.

Unknown:

Sorry, Craig, go ahead, right. And if you wanted to sound shitty, right, if we

Joe Malkin:

want, we get another producer, that's not Greg. And then it would sound awful. So but the point is, is that you can change anything that you want. People do it all the time. But we get so stuck on these timelines in our, in our human element that we just we can't understand why we can't change things.

Michael Marcangelo:

I mean, I'm gonna ask a question. And Rachel, I'm gonna ask you because you've been pretty quiet during this entire time. Do you care if the Superbowl is played on February 3 on February like 23rd, as opposed to February 3? Does it really bother you?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I can care less man. Honestly, I think that you should push it you should push the seasons to have a week 18 or weaken 18. Um, so you can you can just give teams to buyers if they need it. guy should be the case anyways, in my opinion, but you know, especially under the SIR Yeah, especially under these circumstances, give give what I'm give what the situation requires. Right. So if it requires you to put something back then do so. Right. So. And like you said, Bobby, this is so on par with what the NFL does. Roger Goodell in the end it says he's been in the NFL has been very reactionary, as opposed to being proactive, right. So we, we can get on the NFL, because if there's any leader should have got it right, it should have been them. Because if they're obviously just started in March, when you know guys were signing for free agency and getting traded and and, you know, essentially in March is when we went to a shutdown. So in that moment, you say, okay, we don't have all the all the facts right now, we don't know all the science, but because we have six months to devise a plan, you know, less Okay, by April, we'll have this by May, we'll have this by June, we'll have that so on and so forth. So that when you get to August, and you get September, you know the seasons gonna be a full force. You say, here's our plan. Here's our plan, things changed. Just know that whatever we have on paper is subject to change. We appreciate your patience, fans, we appreciate your patience, TV stations, we appreciate your patience, and we're gonna move together accordingly. And, you know, go, uh, you know, just kind of move, move as Move, move accordingly as we need to. So it should

Dave Clarke:

be our strategy lane laid out already, but

Joe Malkin:

that's what I'm saying. All right. You know what Ray instead of being, taking Adam Silver's job because I like the job that silver does. You can have Goodell's job, just share some of your $42 million salary with us. It's all

Rayshawn Buchanan:

absolutely perfectly

Unknown:

below Brian award like

Joe Malkin:

the last thing I want to say on this exact point is that it is going to come down a lot to money, Mike, right. So it's gonna come down to is this a date and we have to talk about contracts. Now again, this can go back to Mike's point of contracts are made by us, the two sides should be able to come together and figure out a way. But it is going to come down to contracts, TV contracts, radio contracts, player contracts, and so many other things that are going to factor into all of these decisions. I mean, is there a contract that says we have to get it done on February 3? Who knows? So squashing that topic? And now what we're gonna do is we have two features coming for you in the last 10 minutes. Because we just kept it Craig's like, I'm the producer, I don't even know you're talking about the first one. Craig, you know what's coming because it was just mentioned in the chat. Is this week's gumbo Ward? You didn't ever ready? Did you

Craig D'Alessandro:

know because we just said in the chat we weren't going to do it but I'm gonna get it now.

Rob Kelly:

Yeah, I have I have a good one. I'm ready for it.

Craig D'Alessandro:

All right. Hold on. Don't do anything yet. All right, there we go. live television,

Unknown:

ladies and gentlemen. Here we go. Everyone.

Joe Malkin:

Hang on a second. Hang on a sec. Craig. Craig factcheck What do you want it says Gump award before this is by by by Bobby and then Dave says Gump no time and I say I'm the host. And as Mike would say, I'm just gonna throw it down on the table and you know let it flop around beaker

Dave Clarke:

the house dick.

Rob Kelly:

That was me. That was my

Michael Marcangelo:

I've actually never said that.

Joe Malkin:

It's like, I think we're gonna need a bigger boat from jaws. That wasn't the actual code crank. The Forrest Gump award

Unknown:

just for purpose in this army to do whatever you tell my drill sergeants, Gannett dump your outstanding. You must have a goddamn IQ of 60 you aren't that damn

Joe Malkin:

right. You're the best man. I love it. So we go. We go into the GM board and the GM board. I can't I can't say it as good as as Dave. So Dave, tell us the GM board.

Dave Clarke:

All right. I'm also going to use that opportunity to go first too because we did a lot of talking about my selection. Forrest Gump word, dumbest smart guy in sports or smartest dumb guy. So if you listen to other shows, it's been explained in Forrest Gump. He's supposed to be stupid, but he achieves a lot. And all the people around him are supposed to be smart, and they keep messing up. So my Forrest Gump Award nominee and I hope I win this week because I invented the damn thing and I couldn't win last week because I nominated Jon Gruden and apparently I'm participating in the Jon Gruden fan club podcast. But here we are. My nomination was almost john green, but then he beat the Chiefs somehow. So maybe I'm wrong about him. My nomination is Tom Brady. He didn't even know how many downs that he had and in the public relations, if not historical war for supremacy he's now locked into with Bill Belichick that everybody knows about but nobody, like we all want to talk about it, but they won't mention it. He just made himself look like an idiot. Tom Brady, my force comm Award nominee for being the greatest quarterback of all time and not being able to count to four. Come on, bro.

Joe Malkin:

That will happen. I'm gonna go to Ray next for his nominee for the forrest gump award.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, so we're keeping a theme with Tampa Bay. And I'm actually going with the head coach. So Bruce Arians, so, you know, he is also someone who he says he's a smart guy. But for you not to be on the same page with your quarterback is is unacceptable, right? So, you know, that's something that Brady's been used to, you know, you're supposed to be the person that holds everybody on the team accountable. Clooney itself in the coaching staff, so it's a lose to lose count of what was what was going on and then basically not be on the same page in the postgame. Yeah, you know, you should overwhelmingly be the person that wins before it's worth

Joe Malkin:

the real BK Bob Kelly.

Rob Kelly:

So I'm going to go from the same game as these two. And I'm going to go the complete opposite way is I'm going to go to Nick foles. This man to me couldn't personify Forrest Gump anymore. You look at what he does, and he does things. He shows up in situations that he has no business being in and somehow comes out on top. Did he have any business beating Tom Brady in the Superbowl? No. Did he have any business beating the bears in the playoffs last year two years ago whenever that was No. Did he have any business beating Tom Brady on Thursday Night Football? No. The thing is, is he did somehow and he always does some how that doesn't personify Forrest Gump. I don't know what that

Dave Clarke:

I'm going to lose Forrest Gump again this week. I can't believe it. None of the worst Forrest Gump record and I invented the Forrest Gump. Oh,

Joe Malkin:

Mike Mark Angela.

Michael Marcangelo:

So like mine is already taken so I have to really reach for this. I'm gonna say minds Joe Flacco Listen man, like I know that you want to continue playing football, right? That's that that's that's all heart. But you suck dude. Like you should have hung up two years ago. So he is my epitome of Forrest Gump. You need to use some brains Dude, you don't have it anymore. just just just go home.

Joe Malkin:

So the winner is gonna be no. The winner of this week's Forrest Gump award is rayshawn for Bruce Arians. So here's why

Unknown:

it got to he's got to win,

Rob Kelly:

baby. No baby I disagree.

Joe Malkin:

Egg on it was I know you disagree. nominee. You want a horse in the race? Of course

Rob Kelly:

you listen. It was it was the there was the show horse that that is? All right

Joe Malkin:

here. Let me let me give you let me give you the reasons why you didn't win. I'll start with Mike. I think Mike's case, right. Oh, Flacco was I know everybody else was taken. You know, mine was gonna be Todd Gurley today and I still would have lost. I think your case for Joe Flacco was weak, but I understand why he was your nominee. Because I agree with you on every single point. Bobby, on Nick foles kind of agree he kind of is like a Forrest Gump isn't really you know, but like, what is

Unknown:

this guy doing?

Rob Kelly:

Any wins? I don't know what it is. But

Dave Clarke:

great American. Yeah, they're both great. They're both similar in that they're both great Americans.

Joe Malkin:

Yeah. When they when Nick foles runs across the country and runs back and then just tells everybody who's tired and gonna go home. That's when he can win

Rob Kelly:

the rain forest. God Jenny. Just saying.

Joe Malkin:

Dave I agree with Tom.

Unknown:

He was out of options. Did you not watch that movie?

Joe Malkin:

Yeah. What What movie did you see? He's like Saving Private Ryan.

Unknown:

Big as a forest.

Joe Malkin:

I agree with your Tom Brady point. But the reason why rayshawn got the win is because Bruce Arians has been around longer than Tom Brady Bruce Arians should know how to coach and manage his NFL football team. Because every quarterback in the league is not Tom Brady. But coaches should have the wherewithal to at least say in the headset and maybe it's not him calling the offensive players but he is an offensive guys and maybe it is him or his Byron love which calling the players down there and somebody can

Michael Marcangelo:

have a hard time believing that Byron left which is in Tom Brady's here. I just have okay.

Unknown:

But either way, just

Rayshawn Buchanan:

a guy. He's a jack. But

Dave Clarke:

last this week is because you're on unable to call Tom Brady stupid. It's in your DNA. The Call Tom real stupid.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I would have Dave but you said you had a big fella. So we had to go with that.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, I feel like there's some insider trade. Wait, wait, wait.

Unknown:

I back

Joe Malkin:

to my tweet. Let's go back to my tweet

Unknown:

from the Astros over here.

Joe Malkin:

Let's go back to my tweet Thursday night after the game where I want to try and pull it up fast enough for you guys here where I said What did I say? I don't think I'm gonna be able to pull it up fast enough. But basically, what I said was Oh, remember when Brian Hoyer lost track of his timeouts last week then Tom Brady lost track of the downs tonight. He better get ripped just as bad if not worse than Hoyer in the media and by fans

Dave Clarke:

if you believe that you should give me the forrest gump award when?

Joe Malkin:

Absolutely not because the coaches the coaches are still responsible for what's going on. Yes, he should know but someone because his helmet definitely does have a headset in it. Someone should be in his ear saying Tommy you're literally making the point. You and Ray Shawn are collectively making the point that somebody needs to help Tom Brady count to four.

Dave Clarke:

That's That's it. That's legit that you bet you think Bruce Arians didn't do his job because he didn't help Tom Brady down to what my six year old niece accomplished years ago.

Unknown:

Have your

Rayshawn Buchanan:

genius become a coach than

Dave Clarke:

slim pickins out there.

Joe Malkin:

Have your emotions ever gotten the best of you? Because Tom Brady's get the best of him. And here we are again. And here we are again. It's the defend Tom Brady. Do you know what a Dan are watching? You don't want Dave as consolation for you losing. It is time for this week's state of the sizzle. Dave, take it away.

Dave Clarke:

Thank you, Joe. Well, it's been another month and despite my best efforts, I still can't seem to experience time in a relatively normal way in a post pandemic world. I feel like it could have been yesterday or a decade ago that I last kept our adoring public apprised of the current state of the sizzle. If we are in fact living in a simulation like I've increasingly come to suspect. I'm relatively okay with it. So the state of the sizzle likely simulated sizzle is great. Yes, the NFL are limping to start their season. But as a product at its roots, it's still so entertaining that we just dedicated two hours to talking about it. So who really cares? Hopefully this is the worst it gets. And hopefully, as we always hope these positive cases are handled responsibly, and none of the athletes that have been given a positive diagnosis, pass it on to anyone else. The NFL leadership are doing their best, I suppose. But based on results, I think they could be doing better. This is what I wanted to talk about today, leadership. By the next time the simulation uploads a monthly Sunday night sports rap show Election Day will have come and gone in the USA and I hope everyone will have taken advantage of the privilege that has been awarded them. It'll be my first time voting in a presidential election. I wasn't eligible before because I'm an Irish immigrant. So I see it as a privilege, perhaps more than son, I encourage you to vote whoever you vote for, because even in our precious entertainment, the thing we hold so dear, we don't get a choice like that. In sports. If there was an NFL Electoral College, do you really think Jay Cutler would have held down a starting spot on the bears as long as he did in sports, we have to hope and pray that leaders emerge on our teams because we don't get a say in it. on the off chance that this isn't a simulation. However minimal that chance may be exercise your privilege on election day or before if you're voting early. If you vote in Ohio, consider how nice it would have been if you got a say on the bronze contract talks a few years ago. Your vote in Pennsylvania. Think about how much you'd love to find out and brand right now. And how nice would it be to cast a vote to determine that you get the picture? get pumped like you would for the Pats game, paint your face if you like tailgate beforehand, safely and socially distant, of course, and get up for being a good citizen in November, cast your ballot, whatever direction you want to have that thing, step up in the pocket and throw. Thank you. Good.

Joe Malkin:

Thank you. That is that is one state of the sizzle. So now we've gone through the forrest gump award stay as it says, we've talked about the NFL for two hours. And now it's time for our final word from everybody. I think generally, we start with either Mike or rayshawn. So I'm going to start with Bobby this week on the final word. I feel

Rob Kelly:

like I disagree. I feel like I started almost every time. But so I do have one. I know we talked about it already. Shout out to Dak Prescott. I he's already undergoing emergency surgery tonight. And season's definitely over. That was a gruesome injury. I hope he's alright. And you know, hopefully we see him back in the NFL at the same level that we do right now. I'm like heartbroken over it. I can't believe that just happened. But yeah,

Joe Malkin:

anyway rayshawn Go ahead.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, no, yeah, definitely. Some prayers go for that you know, that's that was a that was a real nasty you know, injury man. Um, um, yeah, you know, everyone knows that, you know, I've showed it I've been known up and it was you know, wrestler cops a cobra and Teller, but, um, although I still want those in justices to be taken care of, obviously, you know, I have to share the same sentiment, as Dave said, and said incentives. I can't even talk the standard the sizzle arm. Everyone go go and vote, y'all. It's your civic duty. And obviously, you know, we can never tell you who to vote for. But you know, vote early if you need to. Just make sure that you get out there because it's really important is is really, really important legacy My eyes are getting big on screen as you're watching this on Facebook Live. But um, yeah, go out and do your civic duty going to vote and make make your voice heard.

Joe Malkin:

Mike, go ahead.

Michael Marcangelo:

So this is not nearly as important as what Rachel just said, but what I'm gonna make a plea to the all the players that opted in to play in the NFL, you opted in, do your part to not spread the virus do your part to keep the season intact. Don't be idiots. Isolate if you need to quarantine if you need to. But please, you chose to opt in. So do whatever you need to do. We've all done it. We've all had to make sacrifices, right? So have you so have you before now it's your turn in the season. Make sure that this does not go off the rails you you have the ability to change this. Do it.

Joe Malkin:

Dave, do you have any other words? Or is the state of the system going to be alright Craig, do you have any final words?

Craig D'Alessandro:

So piggybacking off of what Mike just talked about, I would like to remind us all and everyone out there that's listening, watching whatever you're doing, however you're absorbing this content, you can never have too much of that. That Winter is coming literally literally and figuratively. Normally sports winter happens in the summer when there's nothing happening. But if we lose the NFL, these people are super COVID. winter's really coming because there'll be absolutely nothing, because maybe they're gonna start the NBA up after the start of the year. We don't know yet. But we could be in a black hole suck coming up. We don't

Dave Clarke:

want to end as badly as Game of Thrones ended, which was really bad.

Joe Malkin:

That chance Jack's Dave you should have worked on that one. But I thought what Dave was gonna say was, you're all gonna be soccer fans real quick if the NFL gets Yes. You're all gonna be watching the English Premier League. My final words to echo, Ray, Mike, Dave Ross, we all believe the same thing, right? Get out and vote, whoever you vote for. It is your civic duty. And you are afforded that right in the United States. No matter who you are, as long as you register, and are eligible to vote in this country, you do have that right. And there's not a lot of places in this world that say that. Not to bring DAC up again, Bob, but the six of us or five of us and I know Ray was still part of the conversation, but we all had a pretty deep conversation on Wednesday night. And to bring up Dak Prescott and Hayden Hurst from a few from week two of the NFL when Hayden Hurst walked up to Dak Prescott at the end of the game, and said thank you, you've helped with my mental health. Yesterday was world Mental Health Day. Talk to your friends and family. And if there's something going on with you help them figure it out or let them help you figure it out. Cuz these five guys on the screen helped me with that every day. So there's my wife who's really stepped up just world Mental Health Day. It should be every day, guys. It really should. And go vote and love to win the show with you guys. So does anybody have anything else?

Rob Kelly:

go vote? I think that's

Rayshawn Buchanan:

a wrap it on that

Joe Malkin:

i like i like the bears had that you just put on at the end of the show here. diff it was there. It's just backwards. It was the the one bears who are going to win the NFC north. There's So guys, thank you for listening to the third Sunday night sports wrap since we revamped the entire show is I think it's the well, it's the fourth Oh my god, there's something in the water. Tom Brady can count to four.

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But what

Joe Malkin:

I'm drinking, I'm drinking the water in Massachusetts while he's drinking the water in Florida. So either way, what I'm saying is since we revamped and re released the ss w podcast This is the third live show we've done. This is Episode 11. We thank everybody who watched everybody who listened afterwards, you can find all of our episodes wherever you find your podcast. We referenced a lot of them during the show. Episodes five and six where we made our NFL predictions. Episode 10, which again, these five guys were absolutely phenomenal on doing the trivia show. I can't wait to be a part of the next one. You guys did a phenomenal job. So everybody that watched on Facebook Live. Thank you very much, everybody. Listening on. Wherever you're listening, Spotify, Apple podcasts, Google podcasts, amazon music. Thank you for listening. Thank you for downloading. Hashtag just keep listening. For rayshawn Buchanan Mike Mark Angelo Dave Clark, Bob Kelly, the best producer in the game. Craig D'Alessandro. I am Joe Malkin, your host. Thanks for joining us. We'll talk to you next time.