Oct. 29, 2020

#14 - Remember when the Patriots were good?

#14 - Remember when the Patriots were good?

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Bob Kelly's Week 7 Power Rankings

On this episode of the SNSW podcast, we'll break down our biggest takeaways from week seven of the NFL, from what the hell's going on with Foxborough with Cam Newton and the New England Patriots to an overtime thriller between the Seattle Seahawks and the Arizona Cardinals, and the big matchup between two of the top teams in the AFC, the Pittsburgh Steelers and the Tennessee Titans.

We'll also break down some of our biggest moves of the week, from Dez Bryant joining the Ravens practice squad, Antonio Brown joining Tom Brady in Tampa Bay, and other moves that could be made as we approach the NFL trade deadline.

We'll give out this week's Forrest Gump award and we'll dive into Rob Kelly's power rankings, spoiler alert:  the Dallas  Cowboys still aren't doing great.

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Craig D'Alessandro:

On this episode of the SNSW podcast, we'll break down our biggest takeaways from week seven of the NFL, from what the hell's going on with Foxborough with Cam Newton and the Patriots to an overtime thriller between the Seahawks and the Cardinals. And the big matchup between two of the top teams in the AFC, the Steelers and the Titans will also break down some of our biggest movies of the week from Dez Bryant joining the Ravens practice squad Antonio Brown joining Tom Brady in Tampa Bay, and other moves that could be made as we approach the NFL trade deadline we'll give out this week's Forrest Gump award and we'll dive into Rob Kelly's power rankings, spoiler alert the Cowboys still aren't doing great but first This episode is being brought to you by boxO crafts boxO is an arts and crafts focus kids subscription box box Oh is a parent run company that combines creativity and convenience in one monthly package delivered right to your door boxes premier box box Oh holidays contains four separate art projects to get you and your family into the holiday spirit. Whether it's Halloween, Hanukkah, or Easter, they've got you covered with holiday fun. Box. Oh, we can't wait to see you create check out box Oh craft calm and exclusively to our listeners enter promo code snSW for 10% off your first order. That's b o x o crafts.com promo code snSW. The SnSw podcast is a one hour weekly two hour monthly podcast recapping the biggest stories in the world of sports with a new flavor. The show notes and transcript of today's episode can be found in the description box below, as well as our WordPress and buzzsprout pages. If you're new to the show, consider subscribing. It's easiest way to see we publish new episodes. We are on iTunes, Spotify, Google and wherever you get your podcasts. Be sure to rate us and leave a review of any of our shows. We always appreciate your feedback. And be sure to follow us on all of our social medias. All of our links will be in the show notes. And now this is the SN SW podcast. But it's all relative.

Joe Malkin:

Welcome everybody into the SN SW podcast episode 14. My name is Joe Malkin. I'm joined tonight by Mike Mark Angelo and rayshawn Buchanan and as always Craig D'Alessandro guys, first of all, we're when you're listening to this in the future. He'll be two days older but a quick Happy Birthday to Craig D'Alessandro who turns 32 today, Craig, happy birthday.

Craig D'Alessandro:

Thanks, fellas. Yeah. Happy birthday, Craig.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Thank you. Happy birthday big guy.

Craig D'Alessandro:

Mike, how are you today resemble that remark doing? Well, Joe, I'm really excited to about about this episode. It's been a while since I've been a just a contributor. And I get to be a total dick. So I'm really just looking forward to it.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Ray, how are you doing? Yeah, I'm good. I was in the hosting chair last time I was on. And basically, I feel like I need to shut up and host. But I'm actually I'm glad glad to be on. So it was always good to be on with you guys. So let's get into it. As it

Joe Malkin:

is so and you know, everyone listening. talk back to us. How are you? Are you doing all right? You're doing well. Because that's that's what we want to know. We you know, so we hope everybody's doing well out there. And as Ray mentioned, he was the last time he was on our episode that came out Monday was Episode 13 interview with Joe sway Pavone. Who Ray give give everybody a quick just rundown of Joe sway what what he does? And if you can find that episode, Craig will link that down in the show notes.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, no, it was a great time. So you know, me and Bob conducted the interview, you know, Craig was behind the scenes as usual. And yeah, we just talked about, you know, what the, what the grade was for the seltos this year, like what things they did? Well, you know, how can they improve in the offseason? And just maybe, who are some potential targets that could come here. And then you know, to top it off, you know, because he's, he's someone that does a show with Cedric Mac. So we had a really great story that he dropped on there as well. So I said, we hope we hope you guys enjoy it. We enjoy it. We enjoyed it. And, you know, like Joe just said, it's gonna be in the show notes. So, you know, show you support and more importantly, just spread the word.

Joe Malkin:

It was really cool when we posted on social media and Cedric Maxwell was the first person to like our post on Instagram. It was definitely a little shocking. I know to you and me, we were the first ones to realize it. And I kind of leaned back in my seat and it was pretty cool. So so

Rayshawn Buchanan:

like, immediately, like literally seconds after like, I was like, oh, okay, like the real sexual max. Oh, okay. Well, I'm really excited.

Joe Malkin:

I saw the blue checkmark. I was like he was sitting there waiting for this. He was, he was so he was. So listen, you guys can listen to Cedric Maxwell's podcast with Joe sway Pavone ads pretty good stuff. I wouldn't listen to that after I listen to the interview with Joe sway and, you know, we all know if you follow the Celtics that That Cedric Maxwell, big contributor as the color analyst and it's definitely knows his stuff and I mean the guys, the guys have NBA champion and former Celtics so alright, so hey without without Bobby and Dave on the show the resident cowboy and Bears fan so how about we have a total patriots bitch fest today? What do you guys think about that?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Halo? I'm here for it, man. All right, perfect.

Joe Malkin:

So what we're gonna get into is week seven of the NFL season, we're gonna have four takeaways. Generally, it's three takeaways. But we we added a game in at the end that I think we all want to talk about, because it wasn't necessarily the best game of the weekend, we will talk about the best game in my opinion of the year. Tonight. And just a heads up to you guys. I am going to hijack a couple of these questions about the Patriots. I'm going to ask myself, basically. But the first game we're going to talk about is that patriots Niners game on a Sunday afternoon where the Patriots were beaten 75 to six. And sorry, was it was 3330. It was it was at 33 to six. It felt it was it was terrible. So guys, quickly give me your takeaways from Sunday's game. And then we'll get into the nitty gritty of it. Right, what are your takeaways from Sunday?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

My takeaways I'll be suck, which were trash. And you know, it's pissing me off that people think that we should be grateful because of what's happened before. So yes, DK, I'm coming at you. I'm talking to you. When not when I say that, um, this is not about what you did in the past. This is always a What have you done for me lately? It's half the world. And more importantly, so what have you done for me lately type of game. They are now two or four, which is the first first time they've been to enforce a 2002 you know, which we also talked about championship hangover. So that's also convenor, so no, so shout out to Mike for the idea. Um, they suck and that's my biggest takeaway right now is that we're tribes and that the coaching is garbage. The play is garbage. And I'm glad there's no fans in the stands today don't deserve to see this trash.

Joe Malkin:

I was just to touch on that point. I was talking to my wife after the game and we were talking about why they didn't play well. What did they do wrong? And I was explaining it to her and I stopped and I said you know, I would much rather be in the stands with my dad watching the Patriots with the fans around me. The the normal camaraderie, the tailgating and everything else said but if there man if there's a season not to be there, this is it. And I'm not necessarily happy about the circumstances of why we can't be there. But this is definitely that season. So Mike, what are your thoughts?

Craig D'Alessandro:

Well, the paraphrase the great Rick Pitino like Tom Brady walking through that door, right I mean, it's clear and it's evident right now that there are so many problems offensively and as much as like I want to blame you know, we'll get into it but blame the players or blame the coaching it's it's the players right? And it's it's it's their lack of talent. I still am an eternal patriots optimist. I still believe that the AFC East will be the AFC s come December and the Patriots will somehow figure it out now figuring it out. Now post Tom Brady, in my opinion, means nine and 710 and six it's not the 12 and four and 13 and threes. I think they can figure it out. I mean I hope they can figure it out and re I don't want to start off by correcting you but I'm going to correct you to start off in 2002 they were three and four they won their first three games so this is worse if they have not been this bad since 2000

Rayshawn Buchanan:

either way trash but I have to say this because Joe brought it up about him and his dad um Mr. Malkin you know cm CML can be listened to this sir you know you don't deserve to sit down and watch this so I'm glad that you're at home resting having a beer and just watching it from your home sir Don't I'm glad you should not getting seated sick as they go see this trash Mr. Melvin so listen it's for me from your other son from another mother don't don't don't don't don't be Don't be heard about that sir. Just be happy that you're at home you're listening to us you're enjoying us and you know just sit back and enjoy the show don't don't worry about watching over England because in person because they garbage you know you don't deserve that you've been a fan for too long. So when there's this trash so you know just enjoy from home sir.

Joe Malkin:

Right. Can't you see the resemblance? So right. So that now the biggest thing about that is my father has been a season ticket holder since 1981. And I said this on the the rewrap for the 2001 patriot season. That that oh boy, that after the game I was like man, I can get used to this and he was like I waited 42 years for this don't don't get used to it. And I think I think that I hope I'm wrong when I throw this out there, but I think that might be the road. We're starting to think about turning on the blinker to go down.

Craig D'Alessandro:

I know, I know. I just think, sorry to cut you off. I just think that this that this is going to be a return to normalcy. Right? I, I think like, you know, everyone that, you know, our generation, but like, let's say three years younger than us, they have never known the Patriots to not be a contender, right? They've never known mediocrity. And they're about to I mean, if it's not going to be this year, I promise you it will probably be the next couple of years and especially once Bill's gone, it will be over but this is how you weed out the the the pink hats from the real fans. And I mean, I think there's there's still a lot to be proud of of this patriots team like for the one thing I will say they they fought Kansas City with two backup quarterbacks and their defense was solid. They played great. The defense played great against Denver. It's just they're not good enough to they're not good enough to overcome the things used to be able to overcome if that makes sense. Then well, they played well against Seattle too, right?

Joe Malkin:

Oh, like doing four picks? Well, so let's get into that too. So Cam Newton on on Sunday. 915 98 yards, three interceptions. Jared Stidham comes in. as Bill Belichick goes to the bullpen. He goes six of 10 464 yards and an interception. Four interceptions in one game. The New England Patriots currently, but the New England Patriots quarterbacks are currently thrown for three touchdowns, and they have thrown 11 interceptions. And they are tied for 32nd in the league that is dead last in quarterback rating with the New York Jets. So that kind of tells you where this team's quarterback play is at this point. Mike, I'll give you a little credit on on the defensive defense has played well, despite the fact that they're missing three of their top five players. You know, obviously Gilmore is still there. JOHN Bentley made a bonehead play on Sunday. Chase winovich made a bonehead play on Sunday. And I think there's a lot of overcompensation right now. And right when you when you talk about the four interceptions, and we could literally spend an entire episode on just this game because of how bad the offensive play was. When when they came out against Denver, and I sent it to you guys then and I still believe it now. Cam Newton doesn't look right. I don't know if he's injured. I don't know if he's sick. I don't know if he just doesn't have his mind. Right. But he doesn't look like Cam Newton against Seattle. And that's a problem because Cam Newton is not a bad NFL quarterback. Cam Newton is a very good NFL quarterback. He's a former league MVP. He's played in a Super Bowl. And I have a lot of problems with this team. And Mike, you mentioned the players being a big problem. I'm I'm gonna play the blame game. And I don't like to play the blame game. And two of the questions I had in our rundown was what's the problem in Foxborough and is it is the problem bill craft McDaniels the players. I think it's kind of a combination of all of it. And right now, I think one of the biggest problems is that McDaniels, maybe belcheck as well are expecting Cam Newton to come in to a style of offense that is not made for him, instead of making the offense around the guy that's under center, and I think that's starting to frustrate him and I think he, he doesn't play well in the style of offense that Josh McDaniels wants him to play.

Craig D'Alessandro:

Well, a couple of things, I think, first of all, like the three touchdowns 11 interceptions, that is a terrible statistic. But it also is misleading because cam has rushed for five the season. Right. So still, you're still running an eight to 11 I know it's not great. What's the problem in Foxborough? It's talent man. I mean, it's just talent. Your your some of your top defensive players. You mentioned Joe are gone. And on offense, like Where the hell is Edelman? Can someone let him know that the time for OPT outs was in July, and it's not in frickin October. I don't know where he's gone the last three weeks. But I said it last week. And I'll say it again. The guy looks gassed. He looks like Wes Welker did in St. Louis with that stupid oversized helmet on who couldn't catch anything. It's just it's just bad. So, you know, you thought one would think that he would step up and be the leader on offense. When Brady left. He isn't and maybe he can't be any more.

Joe Malkin:

So this week, to to go along with what you're saying there and the players being ready and the amount of talent There is on the team. As for the defense, the defense has done the best unit on the field for the Patriots this season. they've they've put up a good amount of points, but they've also been giving teams very good field position with their horrendous offensive play. And shark cam has rushed for five touchdowns. But when was the last time he rushed for a touchdown? Was it against Denver? We sure as heck no wasn't against San Francisco. So where have they been in the last two weeks. And over those last two weeks, one of the biggest things that came up was COVID. And players getting put on the COVID injury list, which doesn't mean in the NFL that you have tested positive, it means that you've been around someone who has COVID. And they're just trying to separate you from the team. And you have to be on that list for a certain amount of time. Which is why a certain defensive lineman who was traded today cannot play this weekend against Indianapolis, and we'll get to that as well. But when that all happened, and the Patriots were told by Bill by Bill, right, this this wasn't the league. This was this was Bill Belichick and the Patriots, that that shut down the facility and told the team not to come in for practice, and decided not to practice. But the Tennessee Titans, who had exponentially more cases of COVID positive cases of coven also did not practice now apparently they were running practices by themselves on some dirt lot in Nashville, wherever they were doing that. But to me, that just shows a lack of preparation on the New England side of things. And then today, it came out in Bill's weekly press conference that with the team last week looked better in practice, but without a week of practice. They looked okay against Denver, and with a week of practice. They looked bad against San Francisco. But Tennessee comes out and sure they they lose they lose to Pittsburgh, but they played great the two weeks prior. So what's the real problem? And it doesn't really come down to talent. I think Tennessee is much more talented in this new england team as it is. But what does that really come down to is that preparedness lack of practice what's what what is the deal there?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I mean, it's all of it man. Like Like you said it's a mix everything so well. There's two players often no good no skill, no lack of skill at the at the wide receiver position running back position. Yes, everything. Obviously we talked about the port deport quarterback play. And honestly the player development right like that that's types instead of practicing, like the player development is not what it once was in in when it's just not on

Joe Malkin:

but player development doesn't fall on Tom Brady?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

No, but No, it doesn't. But that's why I'm getting that bill like Bill. Bill is the issue here. Right? And we talked about maybe bill being the reason why they win a few more games or there'll be a two or three games that are win because of him. I'm not seeing that right now. Now that may change as the season goes on. And you know God, I think you asked the question on the on the runner like you know, who do you think's to start and at the at the quarterback position. And honestly, maybe we should be saying Falco. Maybe say Falco should come out there. And start maybe we need to replace me. I

Joe Malkin:

don't know. I don't know. I it well, Keanu Reeves is a little bit older than Tom Brady. So I don't know. I mean,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

well, I guess I mean, oh, man, a QB is doing what they need to do. So I mean, maybe say Falco needs to come in there and say, you know, are they alright guys? You know, we got it. Because right now, a 31 year old guy can't do nothing. 25 or 26 year old guy can you know that? We Dan, we damn sure know that that Brian Hoyer can do a thing. So it's a it's a multitude of things. I'm pissed off. Joe, you have to first off you know, Mike wants to be Mr. optimistic. Okay, that's great. Um, but you know, who knows? Maybe Maybe because I'm being pessimistic, Mike. Maybe it's turning around. And it could be I can be happy but I doubt that.

Craig D'Alessandro:

Well, so I i do have just one point and then I have a little bit of a conspiracy theories. So just follow me here. I think that what what this year is showing us is that the lack of a preseason the lack of a training camp and lack of practices is too much for bill to over coach, his poor General Manager decisions or lack thereof, number one. Number two, what if cam is not asymptomatic? It is it behooves of the NFL players to announce that they are asymptomatic covid test positive test results because the protocol is a little different. What if he's actually struggling to breathe? What if he's more tired? What if not, not just him? Other players too. I think that you could see, after this year's over that players come and say, Yep, you know what I just said I was asymptomatic so they can get back on the field. Because if you look at how he looks now, compared to how he looked in, let's say, Seattle. He looks awful. He looks and he looks gassed. You know, Joe, you and I were talking about this last night. Like you said, he can't make the throws what happened in three weeks? Because he could make them three weeks ago.

Joe Malkin:

Yeah, in fact, three weeks ago, I was saying, I mean, his throws almost looked better than Brady, especially at the the mid to deep range, right? So he's able to throw this bullet, and now all of a sudden, he can't. So that that was my thought, as well. And if that's the case, then we have a whole different topic to talk about with the Patriots and the NFL as a whole, when it comes to possibly, you know, their safety, you think that they're fine? Well, no player safety, medical issues, lawsuits. I mean, it does come down to that. But I mean, you know, and, and I'm, I'm usually the one on this side that, you know, without showing my full hand, that is kind of like, Hey, you know, we do have to live our lives and work our jobs and make a paycheck and provide for our families, and do the things that we need to do. But if we're getting to the point where the league is making these guys play, or they're, they're incentivizing these guys to get on the field, even when they're not healthy. I mean, we're at the point now, based on the knowledge that we have, and we're not turning this into the medical our, with Joe, Mike and Ray. But we're at the point where Cam Newton should be. I don't want to say rid of but should be, quote unquote, over COVID. But now we're talking about lasting effects. So maybe that's what it is Mike, maybe he was asymptomatic. And maybe there are still those lasting effects. Because we saw that with who's the pitcher for the Red Sox, Eduardo Rodriguez, and why don't Rodriguez who was who had it, and basically said the same thing that he was feeling great asymptomatic, and then they found, you know, swelling of his heart, and he had to sit out the entire season. So I mean, are we are we looking at a similar situation, we may never know,

Craig D'Alessandro:

well, so I don't so you know, I'm not I'm not for the NFL or the owners or I also believe that they don't give a rat's furry asks about player safety or their health. But I don't think that they're telling people to say that they are asymptomatic. What I do think is they probably put protocols in place that that benefits you from testing positive and being asymptomatic, as opposed to saying that you are exhibiting symptoms, I could be wrong. I've been wrong before, I promise I will be wrong again. But if you just look at his performance, the things that he was able to do a month ago, right before Kansas City he can't do right now. And if that is because he's still experiencing symptoms, it's lasting effect. And the fact that he went three weeks without practicing, or do anything football related, then then that makes sense. Because if you we look at it, there were a couple times, you know, in garbage time in the third quarter, which by the way for a Patriots fan that that usually were on the offensive side of that. But like he did fire bullets across the field, but then he missed he missed in cuts and hitch routes. So I mean, I don't know, right? If you think I'm if I'm totally, you know, fucking crazy. But there's something that doesn't make sense about the progression or lack thereof of cam over the last couple of weeks. That

Rayshawn Buchanan:

last point, yes, I do think you're crazy. But to I don't know. I mean, we can I mean, listen, honestly, at this point, at this moment, it better be that it's having a lingering effect. Because if he's come back, and he's healthy, and you're performing like that, then we got a problem, we just do. So obviously, you know, we don't want anyone to contract that virus. But you know, if that if that is something where it's still having a lingering effect, then, of course, for his safety, it's better for him to sit out. It just is like, I'm not looking for you to risk your health just for a window, the knowing the patient is like, if you're coming, I don't know, 15 have a 90 yards, whatever, and then you don't have three picks. That's not helping us win anyway. So why not sit on the sidelines?

Craig D'Alessandro:

Well, doesn't it? But but in a contract year? Doesn't it make sense that he would be willing to put himself out there?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, but yeah, but if you're playing like that, he's like, Joe, so you're not you're not getting any money. You're not getting that type of money. And remember, you know, Richard Sherman, oh,

Joe Malkin:

we've never seen a former VP sign for a deal like that. Well,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I mean, how many former MVPs are playing like this? You know, I'm saying like it like Richard Sherman. I love the doll. But it's like, it's like, um, come on, like, there's not there's not some new form every piece of a plan like that. And we'd like said we don't use a form every p release. I mean, reliever form MVP, and that form every P is in that same division he was in and he's tearing us up in the NFC and the whole NFL tearing us up on a regular basis. 18 touchdowns, four picks, ballgame, at a ballgame. It's ridiculous.

Joe Malkin:

What What does what doesn't make sense to me about this theory we have about cam is that it's not just cam that looks bad. Mike, you mentioned Edelman, I think a lot of the defensive players have looked like they're lagging behind. Chase one of inches I mentioned made a bad decision to one badly making some bad decisions on Sunday. And it they look uninspired. So everything we just talked about, let's take it and throw it out the window and say, forget about that for a second. This team looks uninspired. And Mike, you talked about Julian Edelman, who right now, statistically is the best quarterback on the New England Patriots roster. But also, we have a trade deadline coming up in in less than a week. Could Edelman be trying to force his way out of New England? What is this?

Unknown:

What value? What value?

Joe Malkin:

Yeah. That doesn't mean that's not the question. I'm asking that you're not going to get value for them. You're gonna get you're gonna get less than then a bag of balls, you might get a conditional seven form at this point,

Craig D'Alessandro:

his contract is up at the end of this year, right?

Joe Malkin:

Is it is it the end of this year? I

Craig D'Alessandro:

thought he's had a four year deal in 2016 that if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But like, we know he's going we know he's going to Tampa next year. I mean, that's it. That's just it, but But to answer like, two more years. Okay. So yeah, I don't know what you get for him right now. Now, if you trade him after like week two, after that Seattle game, you can get something for him. The thing about it is is I think that we always knew that the Julian Edelman cannot be your number one wide receiver he cannot be your number one threat, right? Because he has to rely on someone else. Like gronk up the middle, or even Nikhil Harry doing something on the outside to free him up on the inside. And right now everybody knows, if you just double jewels, no one's going to be able to no one can run. Apparently, like we just have given up on the running game. Besides can then you're gonna you're gonna get them. To answer your question, Joe, I that you either have asked or about to ask. Yeah. You said who has been exposed since Brady left? patriot fans, you want to know why? Because they have been exposed for the old not the overwhelming majority. But let's say the silent majority of them are frauds. They are just here to enjoy the banner, our inner raising ceremonies in the parades and Tommy terrific. And where are they now? This? That I mean, you can't go to the you can't go to the sands anyway, I would bet a lot of money that people would have stopped showing up after the Denver game anyway. This this season is an automatic reset for the Patriots. I think that this game is indicative of all the things that are wrong with them. And I think the I think the buck stops with Bill. You can't You can't be so gun shy in the offseason and not bringing talent. I mean, they brought in Canada given that but like on the wide receiver core. Can you imagine like if they had just kept, you know, even sinew for Christ's sake. So new is better than everyone that they have right now. And he was terrible last year. Now he

Joe Malkin:

still had his injury problems. So I think that that was probably the right move at the end of the day. But I understand your point.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, but it's like that, but that was the one position that you couldn't, like you can't keep detracting from that position and thinking that other guys are going to produce like, you know, I think they thought dimir Berry would be a little bit better mainly because he played with him in Carolina. So I mean there is some report there but you know, listen to still alive for Shannon Sharpe. Julian Edelman is running. Look, he has a piano on his back. That's what's going on. That's that's that's just what's happening. He has a piano on his back. And he looks his age now. He's just

Joe Malkin:

not it showed in Seattle it showed in Seattle when he had that big game eight catches 179 You know, it did it showed because at the end of that game, you know, I'm sitting there going, man, he that kid's gonna sleep like a baby on that on that plane ride back to knowing when tonight. And and I think you're right. And I think his age is showing. But the big thing with this patriots team to wrap up the Patriots Niners talk before we move on to our next game, mentioning the trade deadline, and I asked about Edelman Edelman's Capita is 6.7 million next year, I think I think that if you ate some of that, you could definitely get something for him. And again, maybe a conditional seventh. I don't know this isn't Major League Baseball where you're going to go out and get prospects for him. But if he doesn't want to be here, and if that's the kind of season we're having That might be the road that they go, we don't know. Because

Craig D'Alessandro:

in reality, like if you could get prospects for him, Joe, would you trust the Patriots develop them? No,

Joe Malkin:

no, no, no, but I don't trust the Red Sox to develop their product prospects either. So, but speaking of the deadline, and I have this for later in the show, but since we're kind of on that topic now with the Patriots, my personal opinion, and I'm going to ask the question, then give my answer, and you guys can go are the Patriots buyer's or seller's? I haven't decided yet. And I don't think they will, until we see what happens against the bills on Sunday.

Craig D'Alessandro:

I think they're both, I think they are in the market for a wide receiver. And I think that they need I think that if they're looking at their season, if they do think that it's a lost cause, which I would find it hard to believe that Bill Belichick would would believe that in October, but let's say he does, then offloading Gilmore to get more weapons on offense would make sense, right? For me, it's hard to trade the reigning defending Defensive Player of the Year, along with the fact you just gave him a $4 million bonus for no reason. But if you need to do that, in order to get a couple of good wide receivers, or at least just a serviceable wide receiver, then you do it. I just have a strong feeling that bill's not going to do anything monumental, because he thinks like, I think that the AFC East will still collapse.

Joe Malkin:

Yeah, and my thoughts on that is are very similar to yours, where I think a lot of what they do is going to depend on what happens against buffalo this week. And hopefully everybody's healthy. And hopefully everybody can can get their heads out of their rear ends and can can play the game the way that this team should play. And you know, we see this from from multiple sides, right? We see it from the the pink cat fans, the ones that might cause frauds, we see them saying, well, this team should be the same. But obviously they're not because there's no Tom Brady, and then you see it from our perspective of, well, it's not over but they are playing like trash. And then you see it from a Dave and Bob perspective, where it's like, Hey, you guys got six rings? Why don't you stare at those for a little while. And then, you know, think about what we don't have in Chicago and Dallas, and you know, this is what your team is now. And then it's like, well, no, guys, because we still have Bill Belichick. We still have an MVP quarterback. And we still have Robert Kraft who wants to make his money and put a good product on the field. And I think that is what they're going to try and do. And I agree with you on Gilmore he's got one more year left on his deal. He's clearly one of the best players in the league defensively. But that is kind of Bill's mo right like to trade the guys right before they go downhill or right before the last year their contract, and then they go off somewhere and they kind of fizzle out and fade off into the sunset.

Craig D'Alessandro:

I have a question but I don't want I don't mean to jump you right. Can you trade someone that's that that is opted out for COVID?

Joe Malkin:

I don't think so.

Craig D'Alessandro:

Because I would trade Patrick Chung for anything literally just a placeholder because I think he's useless. But I think again, not to not to not to you know hammer or beat a dead horse. If they don't get wide receiver help. It will be If belcheck gets to nine and seven that might be the the the best coaching performance of his career. Ray I'm not sure how you feel about that.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I listen. I hate I hate to agree that we are buyers and sellers because to me we should be buying that's just mesh in my opinion like it should lean towards the buying side.

Joe Malkin:

But you got to sell in order to be able to buy right like you got to spend to spend money to make money right so i think that that's what it comes down to because the the quote unquote prospects and pieces that the Patriots do have are not plentiful.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

But let me ask you a question and so go more we always say good Mossad best asset right? Yes. So if he if he's our best asset, yeah. So who what receiver you bring it in to trade for him? Like what would you trade more for? What receiver?

Craig D'Alessandro:

I would trade? I mean, let's say like hypothetically, if I could have my pick that a realistic I would trade it for a will Fuller. I would trade him for the number one guy in Chicago. Is that Robinson? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think fuller I think would be would be wild with cam I just I just don't i don't know like that would be a

Joe Malkin:

big disaster or Kevin Steve Smith back.

Craig D'Alessandro:

Yeah, or amazing, but I think I think Robinson gives you the the the big guy on the outside and frees up something for jewels, and I would I would move Gilmore for that.

Joe Malkin:

I think Robinson is a good play. Another guy To play let's let's stretch it a little bit farther because will fuller is an injury waiting to happen as writing in his career and I'm not sure what Houston is going to want to do and what they're really going to want for will faller and I think if that organization trades away another wide receiver from from deshawn I think the NRG Stadium is going to be looted and possibly burned to the ground because those fans are not going to stand for that

Craig D'Alessandro:

right yeah, absolutely. I also just that that Billy O'Brien is no longer there so that trade will probably not happen because

Joe Malkin:

well why not Romeo Cornell's there

Craig D'Alessandro:

he doesn't do stupid stuff like that

Joe Malkin:

but but see that's another thing is that is this just a bridge here for Houston now with Romeo Cornell like are they actually going to try and contend in the AFC South? I don't know if they can they still have a very good quarterback and a very good team and they've looked better as late as since bill O'Brien was was fired, but I think a good place for Gilmore I don't know if I want the return because of his injury past but a good place for Gilmore is Cincinnati and I think that would be a good pickup for that Cincinnati defense okay it and get AJ green Now again, hang on, hang on, hang on. Hang on. Let me finish the thought that's why I said I don't know if we should do that because of his injury history. But if you don't want AJ green, then you don't want will Fuller.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

No, I don't want either one of those guys, but I to me. I mean, obviously I want to go for broken get Julio, obviously, Julio Jones

Unknown:

would feel

Rayshawn Buchanan:

that that would that would be that would be the guy I'm looking for. Like I'm not trading Gilmore for someone less than I'm just being honest. So I mean, I think earlier, they said, Oh, they'll look to get a second or third rounder, which is cool. But if you could get someone like Julio Jones, Hey, I'll get the I'll get the car for you're bringing a Logan Airport, Stephon Gilmore, and I'll shake your hand myself and say, hey, it's a real my brother. Enjoy your 65 million. Enjoy your beautiful wife and your kids. And enjoy the ATL and get you some lemon pepper wings. Will you in little Williams, that would be great.

Joe Malkin:

Great, awesome. Let's Let's train them for a third round pick. And then when we go into the draft and DK Metcalf is sitting there, we'll go draft nickeil Harry. So we're gonna move on to our next our next game of the week after spending a half hour on the New England Patriots. But the next game we're going to touch on is what I feel was the best game in this in the 2020 NFL season thus far. And that was the Seahawks Cardinals game on Sunday Night Football. I could watch Russell Wilson and Kyler Murray play football every single day of the week and watch their tapes the next day. These two teams were so much fun to watch. Thank you, Tyler Lockett, for winning me a fantasy matchup this week with 45 and a half points. A couple other talking points in this Larry Fitzgerald instant first ballot Hall of Famer, he becomes a second all time receptions getter with 1400. He now has 1407 his 17 year career if you can believe he's been around for that long. dk Metcalf is an absolute animal of a human being. And it was really fun to watch Kyler and DeAndre Hopkins this game went into overtime. The Cardinals ended up coming out on top. And Mike, you said it in the prediction show that you thought the Cardinals were contenders. And so did Bobby, which Bobby may have hit on this one one that he actually hit on. I have to agree and say that I was wrong. And I thought Kyler Murray was going to be what Craig thought of Patrick mahomes where he wasn't going to be in the league, but this kid is good. And he is smart. And he understands the game of football. He he is he is going to be better. Ready. rayshawn you ready for this one? He is going to be better than michael vick was when he was in the league.

Craig D'Alessandro:

Alright, so a couple things. It's just not a fair comparison. Because I think I could argue that Vick loss probably his most what would have been productive years due to off the field issues. Because when he came back in Philly and started he was still he was a different good, right. He was still he saw a great arm. He wasn't as fast. I think I think Vic will always be like the very Sanders type, right? Obviously for different reasons various senators could have kept going. And you always say like, what if? What if Vic was in the league? 2006 2007 2008. Who knows what would have happened? But Kyler Murray? What he I think what everyone thought he lacked was grit. Right? Can he come back? He can. He proved it. He's the real deal. I know I hijacked you right so go ahead.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

No, no, you're good man. I think that um, see victims have to comparison. The comparison is actually the guy that he faced Sunday. Night and as Russell Wilson like, I think he's the next version of Russell Wilson. I just feel like they play very similar styles, you know, and it's like they lived up to the height man like they were they were really, really good on Sunday night. And you know, just far as far as you know your point about Metcalf man, actually, before I get into that, yeah, I was wrong on Arizona to like, they they have their five minutes who now and they've been playing really well. Um, I know. Uh, you know, I said, I mean that a lot of that hinges on the development of Murray. He's clearly developed, you know, so training for Hopkins was huge for them in the offseason. And you know, Buddha Baker has been been great. At the status and Craig Yeah, just not fast enough, right. But cray cray she'll laugh at this one. But, you know, like, it's a joke. How fast um, you know, Metcalf was like, you know, the way that he was running out the Buddha Baker is how I run when I see the hot and ready sign of Krispy Kreme. Like, it was. It was, it was ridiculous. Like, it was unbelievable how fast like me and you know, and, you know, as a patient fan, I was I was an all but it was like, No, I've seen this before y'all because unfortunately in a play of laws back in 2005, to Jake the Snake plumber, you know, shout out to Jake but you know, better Watson runs down nine and a half yards to catch him Billy and Get in Touch back. So, which is still one of the best players I've ever seen. You know, it wasn't a law. So, you know, I'm I say that to say this was still more impressive. And it was crazy. Like, he was just out of day but like I said, the awareness he had was as it was, it was incredible

Joe Malkin:

to turn and burn. He saw like Buddha Baker barely had possession of that ball. And you saw DK Metcalf basically say, uh, not on my watch. I'm gonna catch you. And he did. And that was one of the That's an incredible play. I mean, that is right up there with the Ben Watson play. It's right up there with Adam finitary running down Herschel was at Herschel Walker. Yes. Down Herschel Walker back in the wedding

Rayshawn Buchanan:

going to vote Joe. I forgot about that play. Yeah,

Joe Malkin:

I was there for that play. Great play. So you know, it was just incredible. And I think Mike, I think one of the things I mean, about the Kyler being better than Vic was, and I think could I still think could have been, I think one thing that Kyler Murray has, that I did not give him enough credit for, and I know he'll never listen to this, but I will apologize to him. Kyler I'm sorry. One thing he has that that I don't think Vic did have was the ability to read and break down a defense and run down his progressions. And you saw that and the thing about him is his his feet are weapons, but they're not his first weapon. And he understands that and I love that about him. Because right, you're absolutely right. And I didn't think about it that way. He is kind of like rust 2.0. And it's so much fun to watch. And for them to give him the weapons he did. And we've talked about this already on another podcast and I've I've been on the Kyler love fest ever since. But to have a guy like DeAndre Hopkins and to have a mentor like Larry Fitzgerald and a wide receiver position. So you don't have like a direct competition behind you and you're willing to help again, is incredible. And DeAndre Hopkins said that in week two of the NFL season, that he was basically chewed out by Kyler Murray, the guy has been in the league for eight years. He's possibly at the end of his career could be one of the best wide receivers of all time. And Kyler Murray and second year quarterback choose him out. And DeAndre Hopkins basically says, that was awesome. Yeah, like that. Like you. That's awesome that that guy did that. Like he put me in my place. And and I and that's never happened to me. He said, I've never had a quarterback yell at me. And he played with deshaun. Watson. What does that say about deshaun? Watson?

Craig D'Alessandro:

Well, just I think when you come into the league, and you're drafted and you walk into that locker room and Hopkins is there, Hopkins is the man. Now when you're traded, he's so one of the greatest receivers in the league, but he's not the guy in Arizona until he proves himself and by week two, he hadn't proved himself yet. So Kyler had an opportunity to do something that Sean never did. But I think, you know, for me this game, the biggest takeaway for me was man's how to lock it. He's so good. 15 catches 200 yards, three touchdowns. And if he's not in Seattle, you don't know who Tyler Lockett is. I agree that that is that is development at the wide receiver position by Pete Carroll by his staff and trust by his quarterback Russell Wilson.

Joe Malkin:

And we saw that with Doug Baldwin in Seattle, we saw that with receivers in New England that played with golden Tate golden Tate. Absolutely, because golden Tate hasn't been what he was in Seattle after he went to Detroit and now New York. Yeah, he's definitely not what he used to be. And that's, that's absolutely right. And when guys are put into that position, they have to be a little you know, once they see it pretty happy. about it because Tyler Lockett, we've talked about this on a previous episode too, that you're 100% right Tyler Lockett does not have 15 catches 200 yards and three touchdowns against the Arizona Cardinals in this game. If Russell Wilson is not his quarterback,

Craig D'Alessandro:

I just one last thing. Do you like what you said in the last segment? You know that we passed over DK Metcalf. If DK Metcalf was saw or drafted by the New England Patriots, he would be Nikhil, Harry. They can't develop wide receivers anymore. They haven't been able to do it since Julian Edelman is what you're going to tell me. But even before that, it was Deion branch David Givens.

Joe Malkin:

What do you think Chad Jackson was a good was a good how know

Rayshawn Buchanan:

he stuck to and you know,

Joe Malkin:

it was garbage. No, but Edelman Edelman was developed. But the thing about Edelman was Edelman wasn't a wide receiver. He was a quarterback. So you had a ball of clay, you could turn into whatever you wanted and use his skills to his advantage. Where you have receivers and we all know kind of the the stereotype of receivers is that they they kind of are who they are, right? We see receivers as the Larry Fitzgerald has been the same guy since day one. We saw it with to jack Johnson. All these guys that Chad Johnson in Detroit. We've seen it with these guys throughout their career. And I just think that you're You are correct is basically what I'm saying and long form they've never been able to develop. And I think some of the guys that they did develop just

Craig D'Alessandro:

I think they will they developed a struggle rate. For what we'll call it four, but it wasn't bill. So three of them were bill, it was David it was David Givens Deion branch. And I'll give you a moment I'll give you and you know what Kimbrough Tompkins and at one year, he was what we needed him to be, but then he's out of the league. I mean, he went to Oakland for

Rayshawn Buchanan:

me outside of the play he made against New Orleans. You know, when it's like, okay, you know, you can have your Mannings. I'll take my Brady like, you know, we remember that call, right?

Craig D'Alessandro:

He had 45 catches for like seven or 785 yards and five.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I mean, true, but I think see, even though Harry is like six, four to 25 like, and obviously I think he was someone that was I mean, he did he was pretty healthy Arizona State and I feel like he was pretty productive as far as getting catches. But I mean, DK Metcalf is so physically gifted. Like, I just think that whatever they didn't develop with him, like, would have, like, at some point, it just would have took over stone like, I mean, my God, Mm hm. Brown was on the same team and we missed out on both, like that's Wow, and like Ole Miss to me. really low key is a good deal. Why was he refractory to because I mean, you know, Mike Wallace back in the day. A laquan Treadwell that was in Minnesota. I mean, no, he hasn't been great, but I mean, he was he was decent. Ole Miss, obviously, you know, these these two guys now so it's like, they produce some really good talent coming out of out of out of old Miss man. So I mean, I don't know. I mean, let's say you know, debo Samuels, another one, you know, who seemed to be like a typical patriot guy the way he runs out to the catch so I mean, I don't know man like Andy Isabella to go back to what we just heard about Arizona lady and about Isabella from you from UMass. So you saw him up close he was he was down the street at 495 you couldn't want to go pick them up but you're like oh, well you know we don't we don't even know you do need to play like that like that was you know

Joe Malkin:

amhurst is a long way from Foxborough Okay, that's like that's Western Mass that's that's beyond Western nobody goes on. Hey, man, he just

Rayshawn Buchanan:

picked the guy for the neuron. No, give me that. He can he can fit he could figure that out man. Like that's it pisses me off. But you know, it is what it is. I'm not gonna keep hijacking. Oh, but go ahead, Joe.

Joe Malkin:

So in the interest of not talking about the Patriots the whole time. Let's talk about the Steelers and the Titans if we want to talk about some other good receivers. We saw a few play in this game and one that has been very good this year that did literally nothing but this was an interesting game. The Pittsburgh Steelers come out on top to remain undefeated. Both of these team came teams came into the game at five and Oh, the Pittsburgh Steelers had a 24 to seven lead at halftime and the Tennessee Titans come out in the second half and outscore the Steelers 17 to three still lose by three. And our old our old buddy and rayshawn this fired rayshawn up the moment it happened. Stephen Gostkowski It was like being in a dream right? And then like getting jolted awake because I got your message and I was like, well, he's fired up. Stephen Gostkowski misses the game time field goal and to send the game to overtime and the Steelers win to go six and Oh, the look on Ben Roethlisberger his face when he missed that kick because I think even he was like, Alright, we're going overtime like the Steven godowsky because he for a very long time he came out of Memphis in oh six. He's been a very good One of the best kickers in the league. And he missed this one. What do you got? What did you guys take away from this game? And what do you think of these two teams?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Well, I mean, never forget that. Some people like myself were getting bashed for saying everyone and guess Kelsey gone. I mean, we had the last two or three years that he was here he kept missing routine kicks. And you know, and give credit to Mike. Mike said, I think a few episodes back. He's itsuka Rasta kickers. He's gonna he's gonna make difficult kicks on 45 yards, 50 yards, but then a routine kick of 2704 My 32 is why right. And you know, like, his name is Scott. No word. It's awful. It's sad. Um, so I'm glad he's doing it for somebody else now and not us. It did ruin to me what would have been a really good comeback? Uh, but you know, I can't say I'm surprised that he missed it. Because that's what he's been doing recently. And, you know, though, got a lot of flack for letting him go lash and this is like, Huh, Bill saw he sucked. Fans, like myself saw that he was no longer good. So what was the problem? And now now we're seeing that now. Yes, one loss doesn't change the outlook of what I think about Tennessee. They're a decent team. And we're going to get into in a few seconds about Derrick Henry, but, you know, he was the biggest takeaway for me then Gus koski missing that uh, that Phil go cuz Pittsburgh neutralized him. And that might be a formula going forward to stop this Tennessee team.

Joe Malkin:

So real quick, Ray, I just want to let you know that your Scott Norwood drop there probably last us any fan we had in and around the buffalo or Western New York area. So? Yeah.

Craig D'Alessandro:

I mean, I think I think this game, um, I think it's definitely a tale of two halves, right. I think in the first half, you saw how dominant Pittsburgh can be when they want to be like if they, they when they're on and they're on I mean, Juju is 994 85 john J. Johnson, nine 480. Big Ben 3249. But what I will say is that if this if this was the Miami Ryan tannehill, and he was down, you know, 27, seven or 24 to seven at halftime. His stat line does not look like 18 to 34 220 yards and two and two touchdowns.

Joe Malkin:

It looks something because he had terrible head coaches in Miami.

Craig D'Alessandro:

Yeah, but it would look something like you know, like 22 of 50 for 300 yards, two touchdowns and four picks. He's playing better. He's fundamentally changed how he plays the position. I think that's because he has really good targets, really good coaching. And he has Derrick Henry. So for me, I think you just saw the class of the AFC, these are the two teams. I think, on any given day, if they play their best, they are better than Baltimore. I think that they're better than Kansas City. I think I do not see. I mean, let me ask you a question right now right now. You can

Unknown:

please please, please. Wait, I'm ready

Craig D'Alessandro:

to start. Go ahead. Go ahead. Do you think if Pittsburgh plays like they do in the first half for full game, that Kansas City on their best day can can beat them?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Absolutely. Because the home that you got to understand, like, even though big Ben's been doing this since 2004. And you know, obviously, that first run they had really was more of the defense, not him. Um, we've already seen his few years that when mahomes is on, there's nobody touching them. Like they just they they were down 24 nothing that Houston last year in the playoffs. And I personally thought it was over. They was getting ran out the building. And they went they went on like a 50 to 10. No, no, but still, but I mean, the fact they were on a professional NFL team, as you always say, Joe, they're professional, they get paid. They was up 24 they was up 24 they were down 24 points. And they went on a 40 to 10 run. So we're like it was it was crazy. So now do I think that they would be the best opponent for Kansas City? Absolutely. But I do think if if Kansas City's on, there's still another gear that they have arm that any is really unrivaled on the team, including Baltimore, aka your paper champions, as you were saying, I just think that like but I think Pittsburgh is a tier below them. Still even being sexy. No, but I guess I can understand why you chose pause

Craig D'Alessandro:

for a second. I mean, not not really pause. But what is the definition of a paper champion? t rayshawn? I mean, is it winning? Winning a lot of games without a championship? Is that it? Because that's what the Ravens did?

Joe Malkin:

Well, that's what the Steelers are right now to try.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I mean, but I mean, I didn't think I mean, if that's the case, there's 31 paper champions every year, so to speak, but I see what you mean. But

Craig D'Alessandro:

how many playoff games did Baltimore win last year?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Oh, no. Never when he says Lamar Jackson's been near none.

Craig D'Alessandro:

No, they do. They are paper.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Well, I'm sorry. No, I'm sorry. They did. No, no, it doesn't say any good. So I'm sorry. My battery's dead.

Joe Malkin:

So just to throw something out there about Baltimore while we're while we're on the AFC North. I don't think Baltimore is is good. As everyone thinks they are this year. I don't I think not that we rated them too high rayshawn. I think we rated them pretty well. I think I think I had them in 13 and three, and you had them in 14 and two, I think I think 12 and four is a good spot for them. I don't I just don't think that there is good. And I to go with Mike stereo. If you put Pittsburgh on the Pittsburgh plays that whole first half that they played against Tennessee, against Baltimore. I don't think Baltimore stands a chance now. And I think oh,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

yeah, there's plenty more though. He said

Joe Malkin:

one minute. All right. But that so going back to that, if they do that against Kansas City, that game is a shootout, and it comes down to the final possession. And that is a very high scoring game. I think Pittsburgh defense is better than Kansas City's. I think they're faster. And I think they're stronger. That doesn't mean that Kansas City's defense isn't good. I think Kansas, Kansas City's defense is a very good complement to their offense, and they keep the time of possession, where it needs to be in order for the offense to do the work that they need to do. I think that they allow, I think that one unit allows the other to stay off the field long enough to catch their breath and get their legs back before having to go back out. I just, I just Mike can't say that that game would go to Pittsburgh, automatically because of where Ray went with that. Both of those teams have so many offensive weapons. And both of those teams have so many big name guys on defense that know how to play the game so well, that that game would be in the 30s. And it comes down to the final possession. And you're talking about two pretty good kickers because I think Chris Boswell has figured out his issues from last season. And Harrison butker is a top five kicker in the league. And I think that that might be where it comes down to between those two teams. So my takeaways real quick on Tennessee because I can see we were gonna lose a little steam there. Tennessee, Pittsburgh. I thought Ben Roethlisberger though he threw three picks. That is kind of a Ben Roethlisberger day, right. That's always been Ben Roethlisberger day, James Connor, ready to go to go to what you said about Derrick Henry and how they neutralized them. I thought James Conner looked slightly neutralized as well. I know he had the three catches for 29 yards as well. I just think that both of these teams were firing on all cylinders on Sunday. And it was so much fun to watch. These two quarterbacks play and like you mentioned, Ryan tannehill. I mean, 18 and 3220 and two touchdowns. That's really all that guy needs to do right?

Craig D'Alessandro:

Now, but I think for me, like what you would see beforehand, right is he would he would try to be the reason that they went to game 90 more he, he knows he can do it. But he's not going to throw your 52 passes that form will get you know, get picked, and lose the game for you. So I think that you saw the progression of Ryan tannehill. In this game, he refused to be the reason that you lost. And I think as if you're a Titans fan, this is a loss. There's not many of them throughout the course of the year for any team. This is a loss you can rally around.

Joe Malkin:

Absolutely 100%. And I thought that that loss to Seattle was going to be the last the Patriots can rally around but we all know what happened there. So the the fourth and final game we're going to touch on this week. I'm gonna I'm gonna say what gaming is. And then Mike, go ahead because I know you want to talk about this one I think we all do at this point. But that fourth game is the lions and Falcons. And, Mike, you have some you have some words.

Craig D'Alessandro:

Okay, so just remember all this shit that I took for picking the lions to win the NFC north, right. And my final record for them was nine seven. So you know what, they might not win the NFC north, I still think they're going to but they are going to get within that two end threshold of nine and seven, you want to know, something else? 25 or 36 or 340 yards and a touchdown. That's Matt Stafford. He was nails in this game. And he is the reason obviously like he's the reason that they're gonna that they're gonna win a lot of games, or that they're going to lose a lot of games. But the fact of the matter is, we are now in week seven slash eight of the NFL season, you know, COVID times. The Detroit Lions are better than the New England Patriots.

Joe Malkin:

Well, I told you so. The Lions, the Lions have a quarterback that is playing well. First of all, Matt Stafford. This is what Matt Stafford always could be right? He was always that he always fluctuated between a top 15 quarterback and a bottom 15 quarterback and all dependent on the season. I've always thought Matt Stafford was great. He's got a heck of an arm. He plays the game pretty well. But this year there's a difference because he's got a good rookie running back in DeAndre Swift. He has a very good veteran in Adrian Peterson in the backfield when he got Kenny golladay back two weeks ago, that's when this turned around. He needed that Kenny golladay because because Marvin Jones is nothing without Kenny golladay. And that's and I think Marvin Jones is a very good wide receiver. But having Kenny golladay back Danny Amendola, who looked like an NFL wide receiver on Sunday, and TJ hawkinson is slowly becoming a top 10 tight end in the NFL, five catches 59 yards and the only receiving touchdown on the day. Mike, I have to agree with you disagree with you agree with you that you were you were right about the lions. They can win the North but well and i just i think i think that nine and seven is very realistic for this team.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

It is absolutely pathetic that the tree has made Mike look good this season. Like it's amazing. We get three or three at this point just like I did not think they would be relevant still this late in the season, but they are they've won two in a row. So it is it is what it is a match that but you know that that's been my guy though. Like I actually wanted him to be the replacement here for Tom Brady. So I wish we could have found a way to get him actually in a deal. I would have been perfectly fine with that. But that didn't happen. Excuse me. So it is what it is. However, to not win this damn division like let's let's be let's let's not get it let's not get ahead of ourselves out. That's that's fine. But Aaron Rodgers is still that guy. And yes, they face Houston on Sunday. But when him and davante Adams are playing the way they're playing him getting 13 receptions, 196 and two touchdowns. There's nothing you're doing against Green Bay. And he and just like, you know, just like just as bad as he looked the week before he looked just as good just this Sunday. So you know, Aaron Rodgers is still the cream of the crop division. And there's nothing else to talk about that and in that regard. But yes, yes, we can give my credit for them winning two games in a row and being three and three. And, you know, being relevant in Quantico right now, sir. One

Craig D'Alessandro:

three, and I'm hearing shit from everyone on this show. Patricia is gonna be the first one fired. They're gonna be a bad team. How stupid of a pic. Suck on that. Hey,

Joe Malkin:

I mean, he's no should we let go? Well, he should. But we can't necessarily go that far yet, Mike, because they're three and three. They're two games out. I know. Dave wanted to throw his thoughts in on the bears at this point of the of the show. But the bears I'll say it for him. The Bears are a soft five and two right now. And the way that they played last night and and Nick foles really just kind of dropped the ball on no pun intended. I think that second place in this division for the lions is realistic because the Vikings are puking all over their shoes.

Craig D'Alessandro:

called Barry

Joe Malkin:

ray is absolutely right about the Packers. If those two guys are on and they're seeing eye to eye, which they did on Sunday, that team is dangerous. And they didn't have Aaron Jones on Sunday. And that's how well the Packers played. So I I really do think the packers are going to win the division. But Mike, I think you're gonna still get the point for being within two wins of nine. Because I mean,

Craig D'Alessandro:

just to satisfy you guys in our listening audience, I was wrong about the Packers. I was wrong about Aaron Rodgers. He's still the guy. I was wrong. We get it. It happens.

Joe Malkin:

So someone else has been wrong, is still an NFL coach. As we move past our takeaways of the week, how does Adam gay still have a job? Can anyone can anyone tell me how Adam gay still has a job?

Craig D'Alessandro:

They want Trevor Lawrence dude.

Joe Malkin:

That's what everybody's saying. And that's what I've been. I've been reading. That's what I've been hearing is that Adam gates His job is safe, because they're tanking for Trevor. And then they're going to spin everything around and train Sam Darnell.

Craig D'Alessandro:

What if Trevor decides to play for another year, then you did all this for nothing?

Joe Malkin:

Well, no, because the Jets will go and 16 again next year. So the first thing in NFL history to lose 32 straight. He'll have job security as long as Trevor Lawrence is in college. Exactly. Yeah, that could be it and then and then they'll like train it away and fire him. Anyway. Two big signings that happened this week. Antonio brown officially signs with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers this morning. He on Tuesday morning. You're listening to this on Thursday. He signs with Tampa and Dez Bryant science to the Ravens practice squad. First question is Antonio brown going to be a legitimate factor for Tampa Bay?

Craig D'Alessandro:

I think he'll be a deshaun Jackson in Tampa Bay. I think he will be the guy that if you need like a hail mary or that one plate, it's you know, one catch 80 yards and a touchdown. I think he's gonna be a factor. I think he's too talented to not be, I hope for the sake of our viewing pleasure that he has figured his stuff out on the outside and can play football for for the rest of his career. Because that man when he wants to be is a top five NFL receiver. Some would say he's the best when he's at his best. And I just think, you know, just think about that man. He is like their fourth option. And Tampa Bay. Antonio Brown is is is your is your security policy insurance policy as Coach ariens would say

Joe Malkin:

not a bad place to get. That's if Chris Godwin and Mike Kevin's can stay on the field.

Craig D'Alessandro:

They can both they'll be fine because Winston is going to be there to hang them out to dry over the over the middle to take a beating. So they're going to be there. Their health has exponentially increased because they have a competent quarterback throwing them the ball. 43 year old Tom Brady broke Chris Godwin's finger last week that's why he's out. So that could count ice cream.

Joe Malkin:

Rashard I'm gonna direct this one to you. 31 year old former cowboy three time pro bowler does Brian science with the Ravens? Does the Ravens practice squad does he get called up to to the the big club by season's end?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Well, before I touch on that one, I want to add about the A B thing. I think a B is going to be phenomenal. And Tampa Bay? Um, does no way he becomes the fourth option. Just want to put that out there. If he's on he is he is he's in the words of an old school shirt release line. He is that damn good. There's no way there's no way that he doesn't become the number one option unless it brought some folks some way to somehow finds his legs, which that is happening. So you know, take take that Mr. milken. But, um, but no, but, ya know, I mean, that's, that's, that's fine. But, you know, Sunday's game, so otherwise, but anyways, um, to answer your question about does, uh, I think I think he does get up there at some point, I think that they need an additional weapon Besides, you know, Andrews, and, you know, in Hollywood Brown. So, um, now, you know, for him to be a third or fourth guy, you know, at this stage of his career is not bad. So, you know, if you can get find some way to get 25 to 30 catches for three or 400 yards, but in the year, that would be phenomenal. Or maybe even going into the playoffs for Dobbs, they're going to make the playoffs. So I like the signing. It's amazing to me that he was just sitting out there and you know, the team down the street couldn't find a way to to make that happen even under, just bring everyone on? No. Honestly, honestly, at this point, Joe, yes, bring bring, bring everybody in hell, if I lost 150 pounds, bring me in, so I could do something to it doesn't make sense.

Joe Malkin:

Let's get back to that, though. Because we always talk about this. And I know fans of every team and every sport does this. They always say bring that guy in, bring anybody in, bring somebody in, go find somebody. What we've learned through the last 20 years, and I think what we learned this summer without really knowing it. And we're getting back to the Patriots again. We've seen guys come in here and decide they don't want to be here. Reggie, reggie wayne came in here and and retired. Like he was like, No, I'm done. I'm gone. I'm out of here. I they've lost, they've lost, they've lost their incentive to sign free agents because it's like having the devil and the angel on crap shoulder and the devil is Bill Belichick and the angel was Tom Brady. People wanted to come play for Tom Brady. But when guys left they always said well, it was it was Bill's system and the way he ran it and that's nothing again and I'm not saying that bill is the devil because he's bad. He's the best coach of all time. But I don't think he has that leverage anymore to get guys to come here and play. So when you say go get anybody Well, you're you're gonna have to go down there and play because it doesn't sound like anybody wants to come up here and put pen on paper.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, but that Dez is not in that position to say to him he's not gonna play for like you know, saying like for him to be coming off the injury that he came off of. And literally nobody was looking at him so he I your your premise is not wrong but in this situation like I just don't think that he like say we think about it. He wasn't what reggie wayne was coming into here. He wasn't what sorry what was coming into here. Um, even though demaryius Thomas last year got got a shot even if demaryius Thomas got a shot. How the hell does Dez Bryant not get a shot?

Joe Malkin:

Well, are you? Are you talking? Are you talking about nobody looking at Dez? pre or post New Orleans?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Because I think I mean, well, yeah, I think I think yeah, that's I forgot about that. No, I was it looked at him, but that's where? Well, no,

Joe Malkin:

he was saying that's where he got the injury was in practice with New Orleans.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Right, right. And I'm like that that is slipped my mind. But I mean even even before that, too, like there wasn't really people still, they were knocking down his door. And my thing is, you know, so it's just like my my thing is, once again, practice squad, I'm not saying it's happened to a four year deal for 56,000,037 guaranteed your net sum, he can't get 525,000 to be on a practice squad. And if he if you show some promise in practice, could everybody on your team sucks that he can't he can't get it, find a way to get a four or five targets in the game really like that, that that doesn't make sense to me, especially at this point, when you're wondering when you're receiving the core is straight garbage. And I'm sorry, she listens. I noticed it's not the normal pages podcast, but I'm sorry, it still got me fired up. I'm still hot about that. You still have to find a way to get talent in here. Even if it's even if it's someone that's not going to stay. You just evaluate. It's okay. One week or two weeks of him being here at a practice squad wasn't going to kill you. But Bella check. But

Joe Malkin:

yes, but but Dez Dez is in the position to because everybody has that choice to not sign that that dotted line. So if he if maybe he was contacted by New England, maybe they did, because we didn't hear about him possibly signing with the Ravens practice squad until like two days ago. So I may remember,

Craig D'Alessandro:

we're target back in August. I mean, he they had taken a look at him back in August. I mean, that that's how far back this goes. So what that tells me is that they identified that they probably have a weakness at wide receiver. They didn't like what they saw of him. seven weeks in, they realized that they still need help. And they went and got him. What does that sound like?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

What do you know? What What do you know? I imagine that imagine having to imagine having that mindset of fall. Hmm. We're still not good enough. Maybe we should ask somebody out. I'm imagining having that mindset. I imagine that working

Joe Malkin:

so mazes, maybe maybe the New England Patriots are taking a play out of the Boston Red Sox playbook. They're throwing the season. They're not gonna sign Cam Newton back. They will be sellers by Tuesday. They're going to trade for Jimmy Garoppolo next year and rebuild.

Craig D'Alessandro:

Or maybe bill thinks he's still a good enough coach to overcome his ineptitude as a general manager,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

right. And that's my problem. And he right now he's not. But to your point, Joe, if that happens if we get number 10 back, I'm here for that, honestly. But I'd be here for that.

Joe Malkin:

If there's one thing Jimmy Garoppolo is better than Tom Brady yet. It's it's looks so we're gonna

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Joe Malkin:

That's right. We're gonna move away from the NFL in a traditional sense. And now it is time for one of our favorite games to play on the show. It is the forrest gump award. Craig Cue the music. The Forrest Gump award beloved American hero Forrest Gump is the namesake for our weekly award show given to one lucky or unlucky member of the sports community. Forrest Gump, a seemingly dumb guy doing smart things surrounded by seemingly smart people doing dumb things. So who is this week's dumbest, smart guy or smartest dumb guy in the Wide World of Sports? Your host will decide based on the contributors and nominees and away we go. Just for purpose in this army to do whatever you

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tell him a drill sergeant, Danny dump your outstanding. You must have a goddamn IQ of 60 you are gifted.

Joe Malkin:

So Mike, who you got?

Craig D'Alessandro:

So my nominee this week is Stephen Gostkowski and here's why. You know, when he when he comes into the league in 2007 Bill Belichick elects not to kick a field goal in the Super Bowl when they are undefeated that year because it's too far away because he can't make it. And now this son of a bitch can only make kicks from 50 yards or more. You have the chance to win the game on a field goal 46 yards after making a 51 yard or in that game, and you shank it. He's the winner. He is perfect for I believe he's five of five kicks over 50 yards this season, but he can't make a kick from from 46 to win the game. Alright rayshawn who's your nominee?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

So I'm Rhonda with Bella Bella Chet. And I know that's probably going to be one of the more crazier nominations. We have. Going forward on this award, but I don't care. I feel that bill has been. He's been subpar to say the least. And, you know, Sunday really put it on on display it put it on Front Street. And for someone who's been a genius as a coach, a genius as a defense of mine, a really has dropped the ball this year. And it's okay to criticize him. Yes, he has the six rings. Yes, he has eight overall as a coach. Um, but I feel like it's something that, you know, he's just he just hasn't been good. He wasn't good Sunday. He hasn't been good overall, this year. So I felt like he's someone that deserves the award as someone who's smart, but really has been making dumb decisions, not just this week, but every essentially every day. And we did we've had since the football season started.

Joe Malkin:

Well, so to pick a winner. No surprise. So for the second time in a row rayshawn Buchanan, you are the winner with your Bill Belichick nomination.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, that's, I mean, listen, you know, thank you, Academy. Thank you to the fans at home fans around the world. You know, it's really, really becoming a thing of, you know, it's really becoming a routine for me to get this award right now. So, yeah, but yeah, no, I mean, bro, listen, I don't want to keep nominating for stuff like this. So you know, get your head out your ass man. And you know and get better. So they should not a nomination or nominee on this on this award going forward, man. But appreciate the win. Stay Stay classy, Mike.

Joe Malkin:

Mike, any, any words? Stay

Rayshawn Buchanan:

classy, baby?

Joe Malkin:

No, it just says no. All right. On the last segment of our show, we'll go through the top 10 teams of BK is power rankings. The full rankings, including Bob's 31st, ranked Dallas Cowboys can be found in the show notes or on our website, just cracking the top 10 is Bob Kelly's favorite member of the podcast Dave Clark's favorite team, the Chicago Bears who come in at 10. Now I say that just so Bobby will roll his eyes at me and send me a message when he hears that the bears deserve to be in the top 10. Because, as Ray and I have said throughout this episode, it may be a soft five and two, but it's five and two. And they they actually moved back to spots after their loss. I think with that loss on Monday night, they should be out of the top 10. I agree bill should be in

Michael Marcangelo:

Yeah. wholeheartedly agree, dude.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yep, same. Yeah, no, no argument from me here like I didn't. I was soon as soon as he was right. You read that? I was like, what, like you got buffaloes? How to top 10? Like, no. Yeah, flip that around. good days bears out of there.

Joe Malkin:

Yeah. And the New Orleans Saints are in a 12th. And I kind of went past them. But they are in a 12th which I think is fair for them. I think the saints are kind of a middling team. And they'll be fighting for a playoff spot. But they're definitely between that like 10 to 15. area. Moving into the top, the more into the top 10. The Rams at nine the Titans at eight. He has the Titans falling three spots and the Rams moving up one spot. I think the Rams and we haven't touched on them at all. I think I think you guys may have been wrong about the Rams, too. I think they're the real deal. And I think Jared Goff is completely opposite of what you guys dumped him as

Craig D'Alessandro:

great, but i would i would i would argue Joe is read is that the majority of his success and completions come from the scripted plays that are run at the beginning of the game. And after after halftime. If you look at what he does in in the fourth quarter and late in the third quarter or late in the second quarter, he's not that great. Which is fine. His need to be Listen, if you can beat teams based on your 30 scripted plays of a game you're that damn good. You just are and no one should no one should go after him for that. I do think it's a little it's a little inflated because one of their wins was against the Dallas Cowboys you me I'm not gonna hold against I'm not gonna hold them against their schedule. But Dallas is a trash team. The Cowboys are a trash team. That's an easy win. So it's interesting to me that the Rams move up a spot you know, by beating you know, a good a soft five in one team or foreign one team. But one of their wins is against the one of the softest teams, the NFL the Dallas Cowboys. And again the bills moved down a spot for beating a soft team. So like where's the logic here?

Joe Malkin:

You know, I I meant to pull up the the official NFL power rankings that came out today to see where he was if one of you guys can pull that up for at least our top seven teams. Because the Arizona Cardinals he has number seven, and they move up four spots. I think that's rightfully so. Has Mike mentioned Kyler Murray's ability to bring that team back from that deficit and get that win in overtime against Seattle definitely deserves. They definitely deserve to be in the top 10 and I think seven is a good spot for them. Mike he has the Packers at six moving up a spot for after their win this week without Aaron Jones but with a very healthy davante Adams. The Baltimore Ravens are at number five. They moved down two spots because they were on a bye week but but the Colts get better in the forest spot, but Craig you're absolutely right. The spelling errors but you missed one. He spelled Tampa Bay wrong. It's not spelled with an O. It's spelled with an A the municipality the municipality of Tampa is spelled t A MPa, Tom, but as I understand it, it's it's silly. And it's ridiculous. And Tom Brady is a gimmick artist. He's a con artist and his concussion water doesn't work. I would know you know what, but I can say these things now because he's not here. You know, I you guys you guys always know that I was so consistent with that, that Yes, he's in a patriots uniform love them. Love the guy he brought He brought me some of the best sports memories of my entire life. The guy is one of the best quarterbacks that's ever played the game. But he very quickly. And I hate the term sellout because I believe that if you have the opportunity to better yourself, then go ahead and be a sellout and that's what he's done. He's bettered himself on and off the field. But the guy is he's a gimmick artist. He that's that's what that's his mo off the field. That's just the way it goes. If he plays so 45 like this, his gimmick works for him, dude.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Exactly.

Joe Malkin:

Sure. Sure. Absolutely. If you can, if in the NFL, you can extend your career to what the what to what a normal NHL or MLB career is for a player of that caliber? Absolutely do everything you have to do the guy is an amazing athlete. And he knows exactly what he's doing most of the time, and it you know he's gonna make mistakes because he is human. But good good for him that his gimmick works but don't buy his concussion water. And third, we have the the Seattle Seahawks who moved down a spot I think it's fair that Bobby moved them down a spot. I mean, they did they did lose and and the teams and won the one two spot I think are interchangeable. But I think the Seahawks lost to the to the Cardinals is is, you know indicative of putting them in the three spot.

Craig D'Alessandro:

My question, I guess not to jump in here. Like for the next two? How do you have an undefeated team in the NFL not have been ranked as number one?

Joe Malkin:

I think it's possible. I I I don't agree with his one too. But I do think I do think the power rankings can can be that way. I mean, maybe I think I'm starting to think that Bobby works for the same committee that ranks the top 25 best division one college football teams, cuz they always screw that up too. But I agree with you. I think the the official NFL power rankings that came out from everywhere. Has the Steelers at number one on the Chiefs at number two. Bobby has the sorry, Steelers number one chooses number two. Yeah. And Bobby has the Chiefs at one Steelers.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, I mean, I think with that with him, if I could speak for him, I just couldn't. I'm pretty sure he wrote this on the, in his description of what he why he had him in number one is just basically they're the king of the hill. So someone knocks them off, right? And yes, they lost the guest the Vegas Raiders, was that that was a hell of a game Derek Carr was was just straight money that game but, you know, they overall, they still are the best team, you know, in my opinion. And I mean, clearly ball feels the same way. But the one two, no matter how you put it is still the right thing. cheap. The cheapest sales are the two best teams in football. Like that's not to be debated at this point. So whether you have a one whether you haven't to, he got he got the top two, right. Whoever is making these rankings, they still got the they got the top two, right. So it should be exciting, you know, down the stretch, but those seniors will be at the top but AFC about the NFL. You know, going going into the year.

Joe Malkin:

Any final thoughts on Rob's ridiculous rankings?

Craig D'Alessandro:

Yeah, I mean, first of all, I think I think that the lion's take is just is just a dig at me. I appreciate it. I love that I occupy that much space and Rob Kelly's mind. That that's that's a great win for me. But in reality, Ryan, you're free. Yeah. rent free. It's tough to see the the Patriots being so low, being so low on that list and he's right. I would have put them probably at 25. Right. I think that there. I think Bill keeps you out of anywhere lower than or higher than 25. If you're undefeated, if you play the way that you play like the Steelers in the first half, and you still hold on to win for me, you're the best team in the NFL. You I mean, you just are and I'm still going with what I was what I said earlier. If the Steelers play their best, and the Chiefs play their best, I'm taking the Steelers.

Joe Malkin:

So this regularly happens on episodes that I host is what I've noticed. To start I'm gonna have to start hosting more right there you go. That's for you. Shut up and host and also policing you guys a little better. You guys rambled a little bit tonight. I mean, let's be honest.

Michael Marcangelo:

The pot calling the kettle black, don't you think?

Joe Malkin:

I mean? Yeah. Craig, you really talked to like, Craig,

Craig D'Alessandro:

you better keep that I don't care what you cut. You keep that part in? Correct.

Joe Malkin:

So that'll do it here. All right. Alright, so guys, final words tonight. Um, you know, we're heading into week eight of the NFL season. We're hitting the halfway point. You know, we can your final word, and anything we can. And again, because it's his birthday, Craig, what do you have for us to end the show as the EP? What is it? What are your final words? This show is going

Craig D'Alessandro:

to put me in a grave. I

Joe Malkin:

should have said that faster, we would have less runtime.

Craig D'Alessandro:

But I'm I'm a my own fault.

Joe Malkin:

Mr. Buchanan. What do you got for me, man?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Ah, so as you Well, as you guys can see by the people at home over the consistency of I am rocking a Black Lives Matter shirt. And more, mainly because I'm doing laundry. But, uh, you know, but, uh, there's a message behind it to man and on a serious note, um, well, so Wallace is another, you know, black man that was killed by a police recently out in Philadelphia. So, you know, it has been riding and has been has been burned down. So, um, you know, what, asking for justice for for Walter Wallace, you know, prayers out to his family and those that, that that caring and love form, you know, it's data, we're still seeing this, but that's just, it's just what it is. And also, you know, with this being us being a week away, a Michigan guys vote, you know, I said, we've religiously said this on the show. And you know, we've talked about it on social media. But Michelle, you got to vote. As Joel we sepcial we cannot tell you who to vote for. But, you know, because it is just a duty. It's important for you to get out there. And we should issue voices heard. So that show assets aka plan to the next four years, saying about all you put this guy and you put that guy in? Well, if your last thing goes to the voting polls, don't talk. So make sure you get out there and November 3, vote, you know, vote How are you gonna vote but just make sure you get your voice out there. And, you know, Black Lives Matter, not just not just yesterday, not just today, but my forever.

Craig D'Alessandro:

I voted early and it was incredibly easy.

Joe Malkin:

Yeah, I'm thinking about going to do it before Tuesday. So Mike, what do you got?

Craig D'Alessandro:

Yeah, I you know, it's it's hard to follow that because what I'm about to say is a is a whole hell of a lot less important in the grand scheme of things. But this is my call out to the New England Patriots. It's time it is now it's now not cut in time. It's time to put up or shut the fuck up. You are. You are tuned for you have never been that you have not been this bad in 20 years. It's been since 2000. Since 2000. Drew Bledsoe does not walk through that door. Tom Brady a walk through that door, find a way to do what you know how to do when in November and December. And please, please do not let this be a throwaway season. We don't we don't deserve that. And quite frankly, bill doesn't deserve that right now either. The coach Bill, GM bill absolutely deserves it.

Joe Malkin:

So I know we're gonna put Craig into an early grave here. And I'm gonna echo Mike's sentiments first and say if you can't figure it out with cam, put Julian Edelman back there. echoing what what Ray Shawn said, go out and vote, vote for be educated. Whether it's the questions or whatever you're voting for in your in your local state elections. And then obviously we have a presidential election. Coming up November 3. If you can vote early, go vote early. If Tuesday's aren't good for you find a way I know in where Craig and I are from we can vote daily, basically in normal business hours so you can Craig see you have to go into your your research that because Craig's like, can we? I didn't know that. That's because you have to do

Craig D'Alessandro:

it. Vote daily that feels like that's kind of a federal crime.

Joe Malkin:

No, not not vote daily, you can go on any day because they're open daily. Good grief man,

Craig D'Alessandro:

though, this year in our particular community, we don't really have a lot of different polling sites, but they've all consolidate into one this year.

Joe Malkin:

Yeah. Which is also becoming pretty typical in a lot of places, unless you're in certain places, and then they're just trying to close all the polling place. So on to my final point, this is kind of been my new thing. If you're not doing well talk to somebody. That's why I said at the beginning of the show is everybody else okay? So after listening to us Yammer for almost two hours, are you okay? Because I am because I love talking to these guys. But seriously, get out. Worried about number one first. First and foremost, before you worry about somebody else you are what matters most to you. So make sure you talk to somebody if you're not okay, go out and vote. Happy birthday, Craig. This one has been fun. Glad we could we could all get together and do this tonight. So for rayshawn Buchanan, Mike Mark Angelo, our EP Craig D'Alessandro. I am your host Joe Malkin. Thank you for joining us on episode 14 of the SN SW podcast. We'll talk to you next week.