Nov. 5, 2020

#15 - GET THAT OUTTA HERE - NFL EDITION

#15 - GET THAT OUTTA HERE - NFL EDITION

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On this episode of the SNSW podcast, we've reached the halfway point of the NFL season, and DK is still looking for answers. Dave Clarke tells the AFC and NFC prediction teams to GET THAT OUTTA HERE,  as we decide which teams should be banned from the NFL (4:54), which players should be removed from the Hall of Fame (23:05) and we look to remove a bad Super Bowl from the annals of history (42:27).

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Craig D'Alessandro:

On this episode of the s NSW podcast, we've reached the halfway point of the NFL season, and DK is still looking for answers. Dave Clark tells the AFC and NFC prediction teams to get that out of there as we decide which teams should be banned from the NFL, which players should be removed from the Hall of Fame and we look to remove a bad Super Bowl from the annals of history with john rayshawn once again facing off against Mike and Bobby I have full confidence that today's show will be extremely friendly and with absolutely no confrontations but first This episode is being brought to you by box Oh crafts box Oh is an arts and crafts focus kids subscription box box Oh as a parent run company that combines creativity and convenience in one monthly package delivered right to your door. Boxes premier box box Oh holidays contains four separate art projects to get you and your family into the holiday spirit. Whether it's Halloween, Hanukkah, or Easter. They've got you covered with holiday fun. Box. Oh, we can't wait to see you create checkout boxercraft calm and exclusively to our listeners enter promo code sn SW for 10% off your first order. That's b o x o crafts.com promo code sn SW. The NSW podcast is a one hour weekly two hour monthly podcast recapping the biggest stories in the world of sports with the New England flavour. The show notes and transcripts of today's episode can be found in the description box below, as well as our WordPress and buzzsprout pages. If you're new to the show, consider subscribing. It's easiest way to see we publish new episodes. We are on iTunes, Spotify, Google and wherever you get your podcasts. Be sure to rate us and leave a review of any of our shows. We always appreciate your feedback. Also, be sure to follow us on all of our social medias, the links will be in the show notes. And now this is the SN SW podcast. But it's all relative.

Dave Clarke:

Hello and welcome to the Get that out of here show presented by the SN SW podcast. Today I have the entire crew and an unprecedented NFL check in show where we're gonna play a little game. The game title of the game obviously get that out of here. I'm gonna have in three categories. Two teams ban category one and NFL team category to any Hall of Fame player that is about to get into the Hall of Fame. We all know it or is already in there. Get him out of here. Delete him from history. Number three, category three, remove a Super Bowl from the NFL history. I don't care what the reasons are, they have to convince me to win the game. The teams are as follows. They're the same as our NFC AFC prediction team because the winner of this game is going to get a point like always into their NFC AFC predictions. So a quick introduction for the AFC team. Broadway Joe Malkin and Hollywood Ray Shawn Buchanan. The geographical location nicknamed team How you doing gents?

Joe Malkin:

Doing well hanging in there, ready to go and someone's gonna cry before the end of this episode.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, couldn't couldn't agree more. I'm ready to go. I'm ready to flame Mike and Bobby, let's get it. Let's go.

Dave Clarke:

Wow, you guys are fired up. I love it. As you know, we do an NFL quiz show every four weeks. And this is going to be the kind of the replacement of the quiz show in order to win a point and last time, a lot of people said there was some biases because you know that the harder questions went to the AFC team, but this is just convincing me You know, we're still going to flip a coin to see who goes first but you guys did lose that one AFC team, but your predictions are looking healthy so like let's move over Mike and Bobby What's up guys? How

Rob Kelly:

much guys

Michael Marcangelo:

it's good to Good to see you. dk good to hear from all of you. I just I just want to point out that I believe that they are just faking this hype like they are not this this hype about anything. This is all just because Bobby DK and I fucking killed it on that prediction show. And they saw that it works so I agree with that. And also,

Rob Kelly:

I just want to point out that if anyone's gonna cry in the show, our past recordings have showed us that if anyone's crying is definitely joke because she's cried on two shows so far. So just say if anyone's cry going home crying it's Broadway Joe Belka Bobby the scoreboard is gonna be two to one.

Dave Clarke:

I mean, I will say this guys as much as we are a manly man sports show. It's 2020 we're all in touch with our feelings. So get that out of here. First ever inaugural episode. We're going to start off with my patented Susan B. Anthony silver dollar and we're going to flip it to see who goes first. Bobby call it near

Rob Kelly:

death. I dropped it.

Dave Clarke:

still count? It was tails. Okay, the NFC team goes first category one. What NFL franchise Are you going to permanently delete convinced me go

Michael Marcangelo:

So after thinking long and hard about this, we've decided that the New York Jets don't deserve to ever be mentioned again in the history of the NFL. You know, dkms Why? They're there. They are 100 games below 500 and they've been around for 58 years. They have a losing playoff record and get this just wait for it. They're winning us head coach has a fucking losing record. They still play Kate on their Broadway Joe Namath days, and they have not done the goddamn thing since when you think about it their best running back was a patriots washed up running back their best quarterback isn't even in the top 35 pastures of all time. So what are they? They're mediocre at best, but at their core, they do not deserve to be mentioned. That's why Bob Kelly and I have nominated the

Rob Kelly:

Jets. And to add on to that. I mean even their fan base at this point knows how much of an awful franchise they are. They start out when week two, saying just end the season is like listen, how can your beginning of the season every single year, you already won the end season. That's literally anything I've ever heard from adjustment is just and the season. It their name spells it out. His team has no business belonging in the NFL. Not only that, they've literally been a joke, since Vinny Testaverde left that team. All right. They haven't done anything except for those couple Rex, Rex Ryan years. But even then, this dude just talks about feet the whole time. He's not even talking

Michael Marcangelo:

about the team. And before you go to the next team, Dave, let me just ask you a question just off the cuff. What is your most prominent jet memory and it can't be the butt fumble. Thank you. That's what I thought. No, that's it. That's it.

Dave Clarke:

And tag antagonizing the hosts will get you nowhere first of all second disagree. I do take issue with one stat that you mentioned though Mike you said there winningest head coach

Michael Marcangelo:

web bank is 7177 and six

Dave Clarke:

as a jet as a jet head coach correct because did what am I completely imagining Bill Parcells being a jet head coach? Oh, that never happened

Michael Marcangelo:

for five years. That's what he's gonna get. We're gonna we're gonna we're gonna count his record for five years.

Rob Kelly:

I'm not I'm not here to argue with you. I'm just saying I'm just I'm just I'm just clarifying what you're saying. So you are saying as jet the winningest head coach because Parcells obviously has a winning record as a head coach. But pause on that because Yes, he does. But even Parcells left that team in an absolute dumpster fire, okay. parseltongue was great. Don't get me wrong. But what happened after Parcells left bill Pella check was the coach you know what he did? He said, fuck you jets. I'm fucking out of here. The best coach ever in NFL history wanted nothing to do with that franchise. All right. They've literally been living on one Super Bowl win. For the last 6070 years however it was I don't even know anymore.

Unknown:

Let's go to the AFC team.

Joe Malkin:

Are we rebutting or you want me to give our team because you're about to come for your full rebuttal. Good. So Ray, I hope you don't mind if I jump in here on the first go around. But Bill Parcells was the Head Coach in New York for the Jets from 1997 to 1999. He went nine and 712. And for eight and eight, he lost to the Denver Broncos in the AFC Championship game in 1998, which that Broncos team I think we can all agree was one of the best of the 90s. He finished with a 604 win percentage 29 and 19 and one one and one in the playoffs. I can tell you that's pretty much better than what we're going to give you. And they also have a Super Bowl under their belt. They have one of the best quarterbacks of the 1960s to play on that team. And I know we're in 2020. But when we get to the second category, you'll understand why that that makes a difference. You mentioned Curtis Martin was washed up. He rushed for over 1000 yards including a league leading 1697 yards in 2004 for the New York Jets. his worst season was 735 and he only played in 12 games. He would have been over 1000 yards had not played or had he not missed those four games. He rushed for 859 10 seven two and 12 and five in his last year in the league as New York jet he was far from washed up after only his three seasons in New England calling Curtis Martin washed up is an insult to not only the Jets, Curtis Martin but also the New England Patriots franchise they moved on from them at the right time because Bill Parcells wanted him in New York.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, no I mean listen, I I get the excitement of picking the just I get it is I guess as legitimate pick But listen, if they've had great players come through there. So I mean, obviously we're not going to tell someone like it kind of right. But obviously when you have Joe Namath, you know Brett Farve came in there and did something for them when he was there, you know, but I mean listen to the argument went away when you say current Mario's washed up, like I have to go there, which I would like for him to get all the numbers that he got while he was there. He was far from washed up. You know, the man is a top, you know, 10 and Russia of all time farmers yard. So, you know, the Jets, obviously, a soccer team, but they're not they're not the worst ever. And then not someone there shouldn't be a race from the history book. So we'll just leave it at that.

Michael Marcangelo:

Yeah, you can leave it wherever you want. But if it was as easy as picking the worst team ever, this would be a really simple show. This team doesn't deserve to be even acknowledged anymore. They've been around for 60 years in 100 games under 500.

Rob Kelly:

Right. And not only that, but you look at any kind of pro besides Joe name, his tenure, you look at any other tenure where they've had success and and their franchise. Brett Farve and their franchise. It ends in turmoil, and not only just turmoil, but embarrassment. So you think about parcels that ended with belcheck literally writing on a napkin? I quit. All right, you take a bunch of Rex Ryan, Mark Sanchez tenure, okay, they went to two AFC Championship games. What's the only thing that you remember about that entire tenure? The butt fumble? All right. So so you have the two most successful times and this team's franchise in the last 25 to 30 years. And it's marred by belcheck quitting by saying I'm quitting on a napkin. That's how much he respected them. He wrote a napkin and slid it across the table in a but fumble. Like you're gonna

Joe Malkin:

take it how that happened?

Michael Marcangelo:

Well, I guess my question to you guys that seems so really upset about the Jets being erased is like what do you lose without the Jets? Oh, I can tell you what you lose. So the

Rob Kelly:

Patriots two wins a season. That's what they lose. That's not upset.

Joe Malkin:

That's not true. Not in the two years that they went to the AFC Championship with marks with Mark Sanchez. But I just two points. First one, they are not 100 games under 500. They are four games they are

Michael Marcangelo:

they are 408 548 508. Now they are fat. They have 408588.

Joe Malkin:

That's just a fact. I mean, we're clearly looking at different records for the New York Jets. They must let

Dave Clarke:

me know and let it be known that they do have different internet service providers so could be getting different information. I know

Joe Malkin:

I i figured it out. I figured it out. He's counting the eight losses from this season and not talking about the beginning of the season. See, that's what I'm talking about. Is that there 48 508 coming into the 2020 season. The other thing that Bobby has wrong, it wasn't a napkin that he slid across the table to say he was leaving. It was Bob Kraft who slid a napkin across to him and offered him the job and then he quit the next day in a press conference after telling

Dave Clarke:

i mean he's still a napkin still convinced Bill Belichick to quit but like anyway anyway, anyway, let's

Joe Malkin:

pull a napkin killer it's Josh McDaniels not to go to Indianapolis.

Dave Clarke:

Let's pull it back. Let's pull it back napkins have have power in the NFL we know this they're magical. So valid argument from both sides very impressed Joe with your your insane recall or your quick googling one of the other running back stats there. A few arguments. I'm surprised I didn't hear from both teams. His New York's already got a better NFL franchise due to their their success in the last 20 years. And I'm surprised to hear that argument. So obviously, that's inadmissible now because I had to think of it for you. And I'm a little bit surprised that the AFC team didn't give a little bit of an argument that it's it's impossible to take sports franchises away from the city in New York, you know, great city, Juju the Empire. But hey, here we are. That was a great that was a great segment guys. Good job. I would now like to move on to the AFC teams pick for banishment trash take out of their NFL franchise hit me. Right you mind if I take this one because I'm about to demolish. They're absolutely terrible argument for the New York Jets being abolished and you know what danger called the Chicago Bears.

Joe Malkin:

Davey, you are absolutely right about not taking teams out of New York. But neither one of those NFL franchises play in New York. There's only one in the state of New York. Here is our band team from the NFL, and that would be the one Mike Mark Angelo's pick to win the NFC north, the Detroit Lions. The Detroit Lions have had players like Barry Sanders, Calvin Johnson, two of the best at their perspective positions, but they also retired early both before that. Well, one was before he turned 30 I believe the other was 30 because they didn't want to play for those franchises anymore. You want to talk about a franchise it's been around for Mike How long are the Jets around for? Since the 60s Yeah, I know the lines been around since the 30s. I do at 1930 was there for a season not only have they not want to Superbowl like the New York Jets. They've never been to one. Their last playoff win was against the Dallas Cowboys 38 to six in 1992 in the divisional round there oh and nine in playoff games since then. The Lions have played the fifth most games among all NFL teams, but at 25th out of 32 in terms of win percentage for 50 750-560-2670 and 33 coming into the year, that's 108 games below 500. Also two spots ahead of the the New York Jets. The slew of bad coaches that the Ford family has hired has been deplorable. Jim Caldwell is the most recent coach with a winning record at 36 and 28. That's a 563 win percentage before that the last coach to to coach at least one entire season, to have a winning record was Joe Schmidt from 1967 to 1972, with a 4334 and seven record 554 win percentage. They had one of the worst general managers in NFL history, in my opinion, but I think we can all agree that Matt Millen was absolutely terrible. As an NFL GM, he had the job for way too long 2001 to 2007 and even said that he was in over his head while in Detroit. The team was 31 in 81, a 277 win percentage with at least nine losses every season that he was the general manager. And the year after they fired Millan the lions went Owen 16, the only franchise in NFL history to not win a game in a season. The best thing that came out of that was that they picked Matt Stafford in 2009 out of Georgia to close out my argument and go to Rei. The Ford family has made a lot of money off their cars and off their franchise football franchise, but they need to stick to what they're good at. And that's cars and this team should be wiped off the face of the earth

Rayshawn Buchanan:

beautiful beautiful Bronco Yes, we get it barry sanders awesome lumbus Brown awesome Scott Mitchell when he was there awesome lumbus Brown Herman more you know as Bobby's boring, Herman more I get it, you know, um, you know, decent players that came to the organization. But I would also I also will never forget or forgive them I should say, for having distinct that Joey Harrington was a decent quarterback and Aaron having him play on every phase give me a game with them. Sorry, as uniforms, you know, look good, like tin foil coming out of a, you know, coming out of the locker room. So it was it was insane. It was pathetic. And the fact that they were proud of things given tradition really makes me sick. Also, this team can I have prosperity might they just can't like said we just said they have not been to a Super Bowl, not NFC Championship game. Now that division around there, one in nine in the last 30 years, one to nine. At least at least the Jets have actually won a playoff game or playoff games for that matter and been set back to back it was too cheap to get we'll leave it at that. Um, you know, I say Canada prosperity. But you know, the only thing they should be remembered for is Motown Records. So shout out to Barry Gordy.

Dave Clarke:

Oh, all right. That was an impassioned, impassioned plea to delete the Detroit Lions From the Annals of NFL history. Good job guys. Moving over to the NFC are gonna battle. Go ahead.

Rob Kelly:

I just I just have one question for you, too. Do you hate? Fun? Do you hate every November, on the third Thursday of the month, on the third Thursday of the month, every single year since I can remember. I have watched the Detroit Lions on Thanksgiving. And you're telling me that you want to take that tradition away from me. You want to take my turkey and football away from me that first football game is is is just you can't take that away the Detroit Lions play on Thanksgiving Day, you take that away, you take away something that I remember from my childhood, something that dates back so long. And it's not even about how successful they are. It's just about that image of the Detroit Lions playing on Thanksgiving. You can't take that away from America, you can't do it. It could be argued that if not for the initial success of the Detroit Lions at the NFL would never have expanded the way that they did and then merge with the AFL to become the conglomerate that they are so you are removing that and removing all that we know as

Michael Marcangelo:

as the NFL currently. And when we talked about the New York Jets, you looked at me and you said you were appalled because we're gonna just abolish them because they were 100 games below 500. So are the lions and they've been playing for 30 or 40 more years and they have great players. You want to remove Barry fucking Sanders in the NFL. That's what you want to do. Gone poof, go now someone else when

Dave Clarke:

I'm after I'm gonna have to call I'm gonna have to call bullshit on that. Unfortunately, it's not as if barry sanders wouldn't have been drafted but so

Rob Kelly:

but so. Right. He may not have been driving But this team would have been

Dave Clarke:

happy regardless, he would have been drafted by somebody better and perhaps won a Super Bowl. I don't know if that's a good argument. Maybe I'd steer away from now.

Rob Kelly:

Plus on top of that, all right, hasn't Detroit already suffered enough boys? Haven't they already been through enough shit? You're gonna take away their one pride and joy and that is the Detroit Lions granted. m&m. Well, alright. Mmm. All right. Yeah. Okay. So it's like number one. m&m number two, Detroit Lions. Okay, you're gonna take that away from them. This city is in other distress when it comes to their economy. They're in utter distress when it comes to so much in their life. And you know what? They wake up once a week thinking, hey, at least we have a football team to watch. If you take away that team in New York, do you think they wake up thinking man I wish we have no, they have motherfucking cheat teams to choose from.

Joe Malkin:

Alright, so like, nobody's driving a buffalo?

Michael Marcangelo:

Yeah, just I mean, just i think i think i think we're better off just by any any with the agreement that we started with. Dude, listen, without the lions. You don't get the NFL that you that you come to know today. They are one of the pillars of the of the NFL. So if you want to remove them. I mean, what are we talking about? This is a completely different sport without the lions in it.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

That's the most 2020 standard. I've heard. What else? The Detroit Lions. We've had the NFL. Wow. Wow. Are you kidding me?

Dave Clarke:

Wow. Moving on. I've come to my decision. I think you guys both made really great arguments. I think that the rebuttal to the lions pick by the NFC team was fantastic. But I also think that the the fact that you picked the New York Jets, he really just didn't sell me on losing the New York Jets. And I I could in my head when he presented the New York Jets is your pick. I needed you to tell me why it was the Jets, and not literally six other teams that I was thinking of off the top of my head and to me, the great city, New York, you know, the Detroit Lions, they're just they're the definition of bad and I think that the thing that really kicked me over the edge was Joe's reminder that the Detroit Lions are the only team in NFL history to go to full season without winning a game and that level of patheticness I think does warrant deletion from the annals of history Although I will say I think there was teams that both of you could have picked that would have been better choices the fact that nobody said the Cleveland Browns This is shocking was our second choice. Yeah, yeah. And I am probably because you know we did make some rules about overlap and stuff like that, but

Rob Kelly:

Well, they've already they've already been they've already been deleted once that's why they already were deleted once and we brought it back. You know what I mean? I have

Dave Clarke:

expected the Houston Texans to come in because they're the most recent franchise and they've done nothing since they came in maybe somebody was going to make a point about the Cincinnati Bengals because the sins city of Cincinnati could conceivably be deleted and nothing would go wrong. Um But yeah, here we are I have to give it to the to the Detroit Lions team but but well thought gentleman well thought well thought one nothing AFC so category two Hall of Fame player or future Hall of Fame player when we know is going to go in there like no matter what I believe you guys both pay already in the Hall of Fame guys so we're gonna get now since the NFC started the first category and let the AFC team start this one convinced me which Hall of Fame player should be deleted forever Go ahead.

Joe Malkin:

Yeah, so right What do you think we both got poopy and grins over here. Who do you want to take this one?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

army I'll go I'll go

Dave Clarke:

you can? Shit Joe. It's a podcast.

Rob Kelly:

You should lose just for that. You know what

Joe Malkin:

Bobby? Bobby? Bobby, get get prepared. Ray. Let's drop it on.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Alright, so drumroll please. Oh. So the guy that has that should be removed from the Hall of Fame is none other than former Oklahoma stoner great former Dallas Cowboy great so to speak. Troy Aikman, he was not that good of a quarterback. That's right. You walk away from the chat box,

Unknown:

ladies and gentlemen. As

Rayshawn Buchanan:

he never threw more than 27 he only threw more than 20 touchdowns once in his career. On he never do for more than 30 3500 yards. Like he got carried by Emma Smith. He got carried by Michael Irvin. He got carried by that defense. So he is someone that should be gone. He should be gone. He was a system guy in Oklahoma. He was the system guy in Dallas. So that's the definition of a system guy. Not the guy that was in England. Is your guy Troy Aikman he should be removed removed at the Hall of Fame. You see me in the hall of very good because he wasn't a great player. And and still ended discussion,

Joe Malkin:

but there are 26 modern era quarterbacks in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Bleacher Report, which I think we all think is a good source of news ranks. aikman 23rd of 26 aikman never put up big numbers with Michael Irvin as his top receiver and Emmitt Smith in the backfield as Ray Johnson. He only his highest passing touchdown total was 23 in 1992, which was his best season in the NFL. As Ray said that his highest yards passing yard season 92 was 3445 yards. He played 12 seasons and in four of those seasons, he threw more interceptions and touchdowns. 89 9096 and 2000 he finished his career with 165 touchdowns 25th among all Hall of Fame, quarterbacks 32,942 passing yards 12th among Hall of Fame quarterbacks. He had a career 1.17 touchdown interception ratio with 165 touchdowns, 141 interceptions, and posted a lowly 61.5 completion percentage. In his 165 career games. He averaged just a touchdown a game and point eight five interceptions a game, aikman and Roger Staubach. Two Cowboys, quarterbacks star backs better than aikman are the only two Hall of Fame quarterbacks without a career all pro selection and due to injury. He only played a full season three times in his career, but never played less than 11 games in that season. His career was made by a great backfield, a great offensive line and a system that fit his ability.

Dave Clarke:

Wow. That was a scathing assessment of Troy Aikman his career. I did say as part of the rules that I was not going to bring my personal biases into this night. I'm trying my best to do that. I was kind of too young to watch her aikman play but I hate him so much the commentator that if you do delete him from quarterback then then you know that quickly deletes his commentary job also, like I'm not trying to come after the guy's livelihood. Thankfully our deletion show doesn't actually delete them but it's a good it's a good call. It's a good call so far so you guys are doing well so far. too early to tell though. We are recording this on election night 2020. So too early to tell.

Rob Kelly:

Okay, go ahead and FCT robot Wesson. Listen, you're telling me that you're going to delete someone who was the quarterback of four Super Bowl wins granted? Yes. Don't. He may not have had the stats. All right. He may not have had this step three, three, I apologize. Three, three Super Bowl wins. He may not have had the stats, but this man was the quarterback of literally the franchise of the 90s. Okay, what are we really talking about here? You know what I mean? Bray. So, Tom Brady. 2001 2003 2004. Did this man put up the great stats? No. He led them to Super Bowl victories. Right? And even at that point, if Tom Brady had never won another Super Bowl, he still would have been in the Hall of Fame. Are you guys fucking kidding me right now. Like when it comes to a great quarterback? What matters is what they do when it comes down to the crunch time of the game. This man's first Super Bowl ever 273 yards and four touchdowns. quarterback rating 140 all right against the Steelers, a touchdown quarterback rating of 108 Come on, guys. Come on. The leader of the best team of the 90s the all decade cowboys and that's who you're gonna delete from the Hall of Fame. All right, it's the get get out of here. Get out of here. We're talking about stats not greatness. All right. You two are the biggest conveyors of this all right stats lie and you both know it down to it is the greatness isn't always measured by the numbers, okay? And he won three Super Bowls. They do not win those Super Bowls without Troy Aikman. And I can guarantee you that exactly how to lie with statistics. Leaders are it's so evident when you have a real leader on that team, okay? And Troy Aikman was exactly that period, period. He will always go down in history as the three times Super Bowl winning quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys. Okay. Period. Like

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I had to say that I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I had to say that.

Unknown:

Mike, go ahead, Mike.

Dave Clarke:

You know what it's it's it's a consistent joke that always lands when you're talking about quarterbacks and you want to mention a bad one that has a Super Bowl. The Trent Dilfer card always plays and it always will go ahead Mike.

Michael Marcangelo:

Yeah, I mean, I don't know how you follow up that impassioned plea by someone who's actually a Cowboys fan who actually lived it and it has all the the emotions to back it up. I would just say like, Listen, Mike Levin isn't a great play without without Troy Aikman. I would say there's not a great running back without Troy Aikman. I think that the threat of Troy Aikman allowed Emmitt Smith to run further and faster and harder because of him. There. So, if you're gonna if you're gonna remove somebody from the NFL Hall of Fame I can't I just can't really fathom how you can do. A quarterback who had his team to three to three Super Bowl wins after that team was trashed, but before him trash after him trash, so clearly the common denominator is Troy goddamn aikman,

Rob Kelly:

Ervin and Smith were both there for three to four years after aikman left. As soon as he left that team fell apart. Plus, last argument I'll make is the NFL was so much different in the 90s. So much different 23 to 27 touchdowns from 1992 to 1998. put you in the top five. Now it's number 15. In the league. It's a such a different week. You can't take stats from the 90s and compare them to today. You just can't do Oh,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

wait, wait. So what about what about Farve? What about Marino? So

Unknown:

how many? How many Super Bowls? Did they Oh wait.

Dave Clarke:

This isn't how this works?

Rob Kelly:

The stats they weren't great because they didn't bring home the trophies there was no rings on the fingers. Okay. It wasn't until Terrelle Davis was in Denver. That he got it right. You know why I'm pulling the ripcord Bobby

Dave Clarke:

I'm pulling the ripcord. I feel like you can go on for another 30 minutes Oh Darien passion. I appreciate your passion. I think that the the great points for both sides on Craig and I think Mike made did make a very good point that the Cowboys are bad before Triton got there. And as we often talk about on this podcast, and Bobby unfortunately, I have to agree they were quite bad after so are the point and then a good rebuttal. We're doing great. Let's hear the NFC pick for Hall of Fame career deletion go.

Michael Marcangelo:

So following the script that was kind of just that we just kind of wrote up for you guys where the team was bad before and bad after and that quarterback you guys pick led them to three championships. We choose Dan Marino, you want to know why? Dan Marino goes to the Miami Dolphins when they are when they have had not had one losing season. Sorry, had one losing season 14 years has the all time winningest head coach as his head coach. And what does he do? He can't win anything. He can't win it. Not one championship could he win he can only get there. Once this man Hall of Famers make their team better. He didn't. He was a player that gained fame and accolades for himself in a team sport, but didn't do anything. I'm gonna hit you with this right. And his career, the playoff games were Marino, through fewer than two interceptions. They were seven and one when he threw more than one to nine. So the his record in the playoffs was eight and 10 with the best coach in the history of the league, Don Shula. So when he left, who does he get? Jimmie Johnson, who had just won two Super Bowls with Dallas. And what did Dan Marino do? Nothing. Because he's he, he is a sackless quarterback who could just throw the ball far long but but what counted when it mattered. He couldn't do a goddamn thing. When you think about what the quarterback position is, what they're measured at. It's winning Super Bowls is leading your team to championships. All right.

Rob Kelly:

What do I remember Dan Marino most might be because of my age, but it's getting thrashed by the Jacksonville I think was Jacksonville. But somewhere in his last career playoff game, and it was 52 to 10. This man when the time came down to it, he crumbled. Alright, you're out 10 games in the playoffs where this man threw more than two interceptions. All right. He had a prolific career. 420 touchdowns. 250 interceptions, that touchdown to interception ratio, and you're telling me in 10 playoff games, he threw more than two interceptions. If that was Tom Brady, he would have been ran out in New England in four years.

Michael Marcangelo:

here's here's what I what I also want to point out just to add this add to our case, remember that they played 14 game seasons in the 70s. Right. The dolphins lost 39 games in that decade total. So they averaged less than four losses per season. When they drafted Dan Marino and they still could not win a Super Bowl with him. sackless dude

Dave Clarke:

yeah, I mean, that was that was that was that's a good point. You know, when you first said Dan Marino I wasn't sold. I knew you're gonna go the Superbowl route. But when you started chopping off those playoff numbers, that's I did not know he was that bad in the playoffs? That's me. Everyone's main criticism of Peyton Manning is his playoff record compared compared to his regular season record. So good point. Also, I'll point out the Dan Marino is very famous for not holding snaps for kicks very well, because of Ray Finkle in case vinter pet detective, wonderful film that only becomes overtly transphobic at the very end. So let's move on to the rebuttal section. You're done, Bobby Let's move on to the final section.

Joe Malkin:

Troy Aikman has has three Super Bowls. Peyton Manning has two Eli Manning has to Tom Brady has six. Trent Dilfer has one. Okay, so Bobby wants to say that winning a Super Bowl is what we measure quarterbacks by and again we're going to bring him up for the second time. This is like priests homes all over again. Trent Dilfer has a Super Bowl. By Bobby's definition, Trent Dilfer is a Hall of Fame quarterback by that definition. If If we take I don't care who's whose definition it is, by definition Trent Dilfer, it should be in Canton. That's the way it should be, because they had the best defense that year right. So, if if we, if we take a look at the the regular season comparison for these two quarterbacks, and we look at the two quarterbacks that we've talked about, because this is the argument now, right, they're both out on the table. Dan Marino has 420 career touchdowns. That is what is that? 65 more than Troy Aikman? Sure 252 interceptions. You guys might laugh at this one, but that's actually a better touchdown to interception ratio. Then Troy Aikman at 1.6 compared to Troy Aikman 1.7. Now granted, Troy Aikman has won three, he won three Super Bowls Bobby, you're never gonna take it away from and I would never want to take that away from him. But what we're arguing is that he shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame. Because if they don't have that, I understand where you're going to go, Dave. But if they if they don't have that offensive line, and they don't have Irvin and they don't have Emmitt Smith, they may not win all three of those. And you know, Bobby, I was actually surprised you didn't come in with the argument that that he won with two different head coaches, because Jimmie Johnson left after the 1993 season, and then they won in 1994. Right. But they also won those against the Buffalo Bills who were on the back end of losing four straight Super Bowls. So I mean, our do we take anything away from that at the fact that one of those Super Bowls was was lost was given to the Cowboys by the bills. So then hang on, Mike, I know you're you are Bob Kelly being everywhere all over your house right now. Dan Marino, if you're absolutely right that his playoff numbers do not put him into the Hall of Fame. His regular season numbers are better than Troy segments. They will always be better than Troy segments. You can talk about his completion percentage in his career, which is lower than Troy Aikman, he played more seasons. He had more touchdowns in 1984 he threw 48 touchdowns. 30 and Bobby, you're sitting here telling us that we can't compare numbers for the 90s between two guys. We can't that a 23 touchdown season is great. Dan Marino through for 2048 3040 420-628-2421. What should I go on? Or do you want me to stop? Because Dan Marino is a better regular season quarterback and was a better talent name. And I always hate this as a sports fan. named me some guys on that team. What did Dan Marino have around him in South Florida?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I got to Joe, I got to get an indicator to teach for a second. Can I can I take her down

Joe Malkin:

memory lane for a second? Go ahead, Mr. B.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

All right. Cool. We haven't missed a beat classes this session. So let's let's take it back to the 70s right when the dolphins were the premier team outside of the Steelers, right? So okay, by releasing Mercury, More's Paul wore Warfield.

Joe Malkin:

Oh I was even talking about during the time, right?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, um, doesn't just that Paul Warfield Manny Fernandez, who was a great defensive lineman at the time, so you know, those are the guys that you start you start thinking about, um, when you think about that team, when Don Shula had the best talent so to speak, they won. So whatever they go a few years you know, some people go off to different places and play elsewhere. Then out of out of Pittsburgh, you know, you think about oh, wait at three traffice Elway's Marina who's gonna go where, you know, Dan Marino is killing everybody in Pittsburgh or like I said in a previous episode, he was tearing a house up in Pittsburgh, he comes into the league, his second year in the league, he throws 5084 yards. That record did not get broken and so 2011 by Drew Brees so even though Joe said I hate it, I hate that argument too. You can outside of their receivers was like Mark duper and Mark I think Mark Clayton, you they call them market brothers. I believe you cannot name anybody on that dead mind team, especially on that defense. Especially On that defense, so they didn't have a great player on defense really until you talked about Zach Thomas Patrick certeyn Jason Taylor, so that was later in his career if he hadn't boys early on, I promise you they probably get back to the Superbowl. Now granted, we don't we don't play in hypotheticals or whatever. So we'll never know. But even with his numbers 61,261 yards he's damn shirt better than your boy. And I promise you if he had an eight month fee, if he had a micro urban if he had a cat, no if he had a Deion Sanders if he had a Leon let you know I could I could keep going on and on. I promise you. He's the one holding up three or four. Hell he might even want more than that. Because he was in the words of Chevrolet's. Might we use this line all the time. He was that damn good. All right.

Dave Clarke:

This is this is such a this is such a tough, this is such a tough one because I think there's been such good points on both sides. So I'm going to do is I'm going to let the NFC team have 45 seconds you guys can elect somebody to read but not both of you have 45 seconds to convince me because I'm right in the middle right now and i and i don't know which way to go. So let's see what you guys can do. 45 seconds go.

Michael Marcangelo:

Okay, so a couple of things that you said Joe, you said that, based on our scoring that we were reading Trent Dilfer is a better quarterback and Dan Marino no Dan Marino was drafted by or he would be in the Hall of Fame over Dan Marino right? No. Dan Marino was drafted by the greatest one of the greatest coach of all time winningest coach in NFL history. couldn't do anything. You also mentioned that Troy Aikman beat the doubt beat the Buffalo Bills when they went to four straight Super Bowls. What what conference are they in? AFC? That's the same conference as Dan fuckin Marino and he couldn't beat those Buffalo Bills to get there. This guy had the greatest two of the greatest coaches in NFL history and could not win a goddamn thing with them. He is the greatest regular season quarterback Greg. I know that you guys love paper champions. We don't put them in Canton on the show for that. Okay, Dan Marino's out

Dave Clarke:

all right, well, I was injured

Joe Malkin:

for one of those reasons.

Dave Clarke:

I I'm gonna I'm gonna need to ponder this. I'm gonna need to think about this. Stay tuned until the end of the show for my reveal on this pic. But I need time I need time this is this is a tough argument. So I'm going to be as the host of the show I'm going to as we like to say here slap my Speaker of the House dick on the table and buy myself a little bit of time because I got to ponder this while you guys are arguing the next category so that's a category three by Bob Kelly. I'll send you the 46 cents so moving on to the third category we are going to ban forever a Super Bowl any Super Bowl played in any time since the inauguration of the Super Bowl is going to be taken away. Which team went first last? Okay, cool. So the other team go first go.

Michael Marcangelo:

What we're gonna do here is we're going to remove Super Bowl 35 from the annals of history never happened. It was ravens 34 giant seven. Basically what happened that was Carrie Collins versus Trent Dilfer, that right there is a

Unknown:

way to say second

Rob Kelly:

Wait a second. That's the third trend do for reference that's three

Dave Clarke:

that's gonna get them on the show.

Michael Marcangelo:

You I mean, in our in our estimation, Dilfer versus Collins is the equivalent of a sports boner killer right with the only good thing that happened in that Super Bowl was highlighted by seeing Britney Spears in her prime. That Super Bowl I will have you I'll have you know was sandwiched between the Rams versus the Titans which came down to the last play and the last yard. And the night that everybody was patriots and the Patriots were all world champions. That is That's horrible. Already fucking forgotten. Baltimore only allowed 152 yards of offense in that game. And again, let me tell you, Trent Dilfer was a quarterback.

Rob Kelly:

Also on top of that, let's remember that not only was this game the most boring Super Bowl that I can remember, but also the Super Bowl MVP wasn't even allowed to say that he was going to Disney World after this game because he was accused of murder. Okay, the only Super Bowl in history where they told the Super Bowl MVP Ray Lewis that he could not go on camera and say I'm going to Disney World because it was a PR nightmare. You the NFL wants to get rid of this Super Bowl. Not only are we going to get rid of the Super Bowl, but the NFL would get rid of the super bowl with open arms. They would love it if the Super Bowl was gone. Because guess what? All that is also gone.

Michael Marcangelo:

I would say that the overwhelming majority of fans forget that this ever happened. And the only thing that you sacrifice by eliminating this from history is your chance to win fucking pub trivia at the 99 on the Thursday night. Nobody cares about this zoomable, it's gone.

Joe Malkin:

It's not a sponsor.

Dave Clarke:

Oh, wait, hold on, hold on one second. So you know wouldn't normally show the lead like this, but I have to say the AFC team is gonna have a really easy time beating you guys based on your arguments. Just for me personally, I love pub trivia. Okay, it's fantastic. I play it all the time or at least pre COVID I did. I think the I'm going to Disney World thing I think the I'm going to Disneyworld thing is super stupid and it's obviously just Disney World paying for advertisement. And I also say I love that team. I love that ravens team man like the ED Reed railers Anyway, I'm not the one arguing against it, but I feel like this is gonna be a

Michael Marcangelo:

good read wasn't there? So that strike that for the record? He wasn't I thought he was on that team sure wasn't.

Joe Malkin:

So I'm gonna take a play out of Mr. B's book here and I'm going to tell you guys that you're crazy. Um, yeah, of course, they held him to 153 offensive yards. It's one of the best defenses of all time. Are you kidding me? Ray Lewis rod woods and Chris McAllister. They had they even had Tony Sarah gooses Sam Adams. I mean, the offensive side of the ball. They had Jonathan Ogden and Shannon Sharpe there were four Hall of Famers on that ravens team to on offense to on defense. Yeah, it was Trent Dilfer against Kerry Collins. But as we found out, well, I mean, anybody can win a Super Bowl except for Dan Marino. So they they had Sam go, Oh, wait. Here's another good one. Priest Holmes. That was the year that priest Holmes was on the Ravens team. And they won that Super Bowl, they allowed 153 yards because it was the best one of the best defenses of all time. And Brian Billick was an absolute Savage, as the head coach of the Baltimore Ravens, and they pick that up after coming out of Cleveland. They picked that franchise up and said we're gonna figure it out. And who the hell cares if Ray Lewis couldn't say I'm going to Disney World, if that's what they want to tell him not to say or to say he could have walked up there and said it anyway. But he was getting paid also not to say it so he was taking the money. 34 to seven is the final, the Giants only one or only scored seven points. You know what the best part about this is? The Baltimore Ravens had one of the best defenses of all time and they finished fourth in the AFC and the New York Giants were the number one seed in the NFC and the and the Ravens Walston and hey, right, beat they ass. Right god

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I love it. I love it. That's right, they beat the egg. Exactly. Exactly. And that is perfectly said. Now, we talked about loving defense and we saying that oh, you know, it was different in the 90s, early 2000s as well. If you love the defensive game or defensive teams, which you know, all of us have been fans of teams at great defenses at one point. You know, how do you not want to accept Bobby? Oh, no, I'm kidding. The Cowboys are pretty good. Nobody is

Rob Kelly:

disagree with you on that one.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, but it's like, it's like come on, man. But listen, 35 to seven you know, like said we just named the names. I was on that defense man. Like, I mean, granted now I don't remember Marchioness. Oh, I remember what the AFC Championship game when, you know, you know, Shannon shot ran like a 92 yard touchdown that basically like Windham to get him. I guess Oakland, you know against Davis boy, Jon Gruden. But listen, man, that defense was all the time. And listen, yes, we know what happened. We're ready to Louis and you know what he was accused of? Um, the Giants also got murdered that afternoon. And, you know, that's just what it is.

Unknown:

Too soon.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

But the Giants Yeah, the death row. The Giants got killed that day. And I wouldn't

Dave Clarke:

let Ray Lewis they wouldn't let Rayleigh so I'm going to Disney murdered all those giants.

Joe Malkin:

But one last thing. I don't understand how you want to take this off. I mean, guys, hang on, hang on this music. Back and forth. Hey. Music, this the music. The musical artists in the Superbowl are like our childhood. Right. Right. You're buzzing and

Rob Kelly:

the best part about the entire service. That's it. That's

Michael Marcangelo:

the Backstreet Boys

Joe Malkin:

singing the National Anthem, and it was Aerosmith. Britney Spears, Nelly Mary J. Blige and in sync and a halftime show. Are you kidding me? I can think of three Super Bowls including ours. That I would that I can name that I would get off of the list before this one.

Rob Kelly:

Okay, but this is the Super Bowl. Not a concert. Okay, right. This is this isn't a 90

Dave Clarke:

you guys, you guys had your time you guys had your time. Let's Let's keep going. Let's go to

Michael Marcangelo:

another fighting. Dave are their team I'm not sure man. I'm not Well,

Dave Clarke:

I mean, breaking the rules. You guys keep breaking the rules. You're not

Rob Kelly:

anymore against my car, whatever.

Joe Malkin:

Whatever choice.

Dave Clarke:

All right, settle down everybody. I'm just trying to keep the tigers in their cages here. Okay, I'm just trying to keep the show moving. Let's go over to the AFC team, and let's give them their chance to convince me which Super Bowl goes away. Go ahead guys. And I have to say you are gonna have an easy time because I really don't hate that rule. But go ahead So,

Joe Malkin:

Super Bowl 41 is our is our pick, which is the Super Bowl between the Indianapolis Colts, and Dave's Chicago Bears. And that's

Rob Kelly:

not fair. That's absolutely fair.

Joe Malkin:

Hey, that's within the rules. I mean, we could have picked a Chicago we could have said Brian Urlacher shouldn't have been in the Hall of Fame and that was

Dave Clarke:

it. Not fair to you, Bobby. They're about to talk me out of the only time I've ever seen the bears go to the Super Bowl. I don't see I don't see how they're gonna be able to pull this off.

Joe Malkin:

Well, here we go. Here we go. So thanks. I mean, I try

Dave Clarke:

not to be nice. I'm Try not to be biased.

Joe Malkin:

Personally, again, one of my least memorable Super Bowls, and I'm a huge Peyton Manning fan. I've always been a big Peyton Manning fan and this game was kind of like a whatever. I think a lot of fans outside of the Chicago and Indianapolis markets would want to erase this one. It's 14th all the time and total household viewership behind every Super Bowl we've had since since Nielsen ratings began tracking Super Bowls in 1996. It's the seventh lowest at 35.2 with the third worst share in 1996. Since 1996, at 70 advertisers had one of the lowest prices for 30 minutes, spot at two 4.4 million. Bobby, it's because they go based off the matchup. So they go based off who's playing in the game and then decide how much they're going to make them pay based on the return. So they figured we're not going to get much money back. So that's 15th best among all Super Bowls. And behind two games that I hate. I hate to poke a hole I hate to poke a hole in that argument and ruin your flow. But unfortunately, that's not true. I do work in advertising. And the reason why that had a lower market share is because Indianapolis and Chicago are so close together so the markets are going to overlap. But anyway, going beautiful. Let's get bigger markets outside of the Midwest where I mean, I guess that's where the home of football is. But when you actually get into the game blow up for the Colts 2917 The score was not as close as it sounds. It was played in terrible weather in South Florida. Neither quarterback played well. Peyton Manning was named MVP with 247 yards, a touchdown, an interception and you know who's worse than Trent Dilfer and Kerry Collins, Rex Grossman, 165 yards, one touchdown and two interceptions. And the happiest people after the game were those who bet on the Colts to win the game when the line was minus seven in favor of the Colts. I mean, I can do the same thing I just did with the other game in my favor here. There were two Hall of Famers in this game. Marvin Harrison and Brian Urlacher that Colts team wasn't great. I mean, sure they had Peyton Manning, reggie wayne, Marvin Harrison. Dominic Rhodes was was the runningback in Indianapolis. And neither defense was I mean, the bears defense was all right. Right, Dave? But it wasn't anything to write home about. I just, I just don't think I just don't think that that this game should exist.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Go ahead. Yeah, it shouldn't man, listen, I'm outside of the returning kickoff, which you know, that that has made an apparent appearance on an earlier show of Devin Hester runs it back in our I remember thinking okay, like they may have a shot. And that quickly went away. Right. So, um, as a guy that has watched a lot of football on I can't believe we were made to believe that Rex Grossman was going to be a you know, Super Bowl winning quarterback. You know, but you know, hey, he got there, I guess but they didn't get there because of him. It was definitely because of the defense. So I'm definitely memory I have is Devin Hester, running back, running it back for a touchdown. One of the worst syllables I've ever watched. So I said to me, it should easily be removed. And you know, I wouldn't miss anything that happened. But also because, you know, the patient should have been there to get a mash up of, of 20 years. I know they beat us. You guys beat us at six. You know, that was in 2007. So that dad had been great to get that 20 year our you know, rematch, but you know, it is what it is but at least Sha loss. So well either way. I said do away with Super Bowl 41. One of the worst I've ever seen. See you later.

Michael Marcangelo:

So it's interesting to me that you classify a 12 point win as a blowout. Number one this has been one of the most electric plays ever to start a Super Bowl 92 yard kick return for a touchdown. And this game had something that the other game did not. It fucking offense. I know that you mentioned Rex Grossman. Sure the other side of the ball Peyton Manning 2025 and 38 to 47 one touchdown, Dominic Rhodes hundred 13 yards and also your your awful offense. They also had Marvin Harrison, reggie wayne, Dallas Clark on the other side. Again, Rex Grossman, Desmond Clark, Michigan, Ohio. You still have people that were there that were competent offensive players. Also, the barriers going into that game. They weren't just an okay defense. It was like a top five defense in the last 20 years. So sure, but you know what? You want to know why? I don't care that they lost. I watched it. And it was entertaining.

Rob Kelly:

Good, Bobby. Listen, you're gonna take away. Peyton Manning's only Super Bowl. That's very good to go. So not only that, his first Super Bowl, my bad, his first Super Bowl, I apologize. You're gonna take away the ones that he actually led his team to and didn't have to jump on someone's back. This man is a Hall of Fame quarterback, you're not taking away his Super Bowl. Second point. All right. Second, I'm just saying, if you're trying to make go towards your host, you're gonna take away like he said, the one Super Bowl appearance that he has had. Third point. I don't think this is about entertainment value. I'm pretty sure this is about the blown lead that the Patriots had in the AFC Championship game. And you're getting rid of this super bowl for one reason, because you want to forget it, because you had a chance to go to the Super Bowl that year. And guess what? You blew it. You know why? Because Miss Shay Caldwell was your number one wide receiver. Sorry, you don't get to go to the Super Bowl in that case. All right. No way. No way.

Joe Malkin:

Can I just say one more thing about the show as a whole. Bobby, you talk about wanting to take away? These are all hypotheticals. We said it when it was with Barry Sanders, Barry Sanders would have been drafted by someone else. We're just taking this Super Bowl away. That doesn't mean that the Indianapolis Colts still wouldn't have gone to to a Super Bowl that year. But this is what we have to choose from. So we're choosing the game that we would take away and I mean, if we want to do a whole nother show where we can reformat it and say, let's figure out how to do this. That was Peyton Manning's best year in the NFL. I mean, he was phenomenal he was absolutely phenomenal and it was his eighth year so yeah, if it means that we if it means that we get a sorry Ray I almost just blew the category for us so I'm not gonna say it but

Michael Marcangelo:

mm hmm

Rob Kelly:

That's right. That's right.

Unknown:

No, I was

Joe Malkin:

gonna say I'm gonna say it they lost 27 to 19 in school

Dave Clarke:

and they let us see this is this is the thing Bobby actually did obviously hit the nail on the head the reason you guys want this band is not because of the merit of the game it's because of what happened in the AFC Championship game which I think disqualifies you among other reasons like to call that Chicago Bears defense nothing to write home about Roger fraudulent i mean you know you've already lost now so now you're just being hurtful

Joe Malkin:

I guess. Because Because you know what? I'm gonna keep going and this is a

Rob Kelly:

you just don't keep digging.

Dave Clarke:

Let's pull. Let's pull back. The wheels are coming off. It's fine. The wheels or wheels are coming off here. Here's the thing. The I agree with you that the scoreline actually is completely does completely misinterpret the game because I think it was actually farther away than it should have been. You're you're taken away. Mr. Mr. excitements opening kickoff of the Super Bowl returned for a touchdown. And if we're talking about halftime shows, prints performed at that halftime show God rest his soul. It was one of the greatest halftime shows in the history if not the greatest halftime show not contain not containing a breast in the history of the Superbowl and like you can't you just can't lose that halftime show. You just can't do it. That's that's prints baby. That's all I'm all about that life. So you guys definitely lose that which was hard to do. I have to say cuz I was really ready to give it to you after that ravens call. But that was like the Cincinnati Bengals and the Philadelphia Eagles fighting to a draw right there. That was like two blind kids fighting. So I'm gonna give it to them. But I will say I've thought about it since there was other stuff brought up and he can't take damn Marino out of the Hall of Fame. He just can't do it. It's it's not it's just it's ridiculous. Right?

Rob Kelly:

He made our pro

Dave Clarke:

for all the reasons for all the reasons. Dan Marino? Just give us your Well, I'll tell I'll tell you. I'll tell you why. Because the the main argument that you guys put forward is that he never won a Super Bowl. And that is the stick that everybody chooses to be a marina with. That's always and Well, I do you did a pretty

Michael Marcangelo:

good memory inventory winning program and couldn't win anything with that.

Dave Clarke:

You said that. You said that. But Bobby got very passionate and derails your point. That's not my fault. The it was you beat him with the Super Bowl stick. You beat him with the Super Bowl stick and that's what everybody always does with Dan Marino. And unfortunately, yes, he didn't win a Super Bowl. But that doesn't mean he's not clearly a Hall of Fame quarterback. He's one of the best quarterbacks to ever play the game. He's one of the best quarterbacks. He's one of the best players to ever play the game and the best quarterbacks that we've seen in our lifetime. Unfortunately, we're all trying to compete with Dan Marino. So if you're going to take the marine out of the Hall of Fame, then you got to take away any care for Brady's touchdown, regular season touchdown record. Any care for Brady's regular season stats, you don't

Rob Kelly:

have to call Super Bowls.

Joe Malkin:

But that's what we're talking about.

Rob Kelly:

Talking about. He's talking about here.

Dave Clarke:

So I'm gonna talk about where I'm at with that you may completely miss my point. All right, well, I'll just talk over each other then listen, the decisions been made, okay? The decisions been made. It's done. The AFC team is one bad decision. I appreciate how passionate everybody got. I nobody was ever going to like my decision, somebody was going to be mad at me. I understand. You think that you're right, because that's why you made that point. But that's what we're doing here. It was all really good job. The ASC team showed off actually by winning even though they for some reason, decided to personally insult me in the third round. For no reason. I don't know what I did to you guys. Don't take this out on Ray.

Joe Malkin:

That's all from me. I'll take full responsibility. I think

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I cosign no i cosign No, I'm

Dave Clarke:

not cosign. You said the defense was forgettable and fraudulent. But listen, here's the thing you guys want to congratulations. And that concludes our week eight NFL check in wonderful passionate arguments for both sides. I'm going to go cry about that suit as a six Super Bowl again, and I really appreciate everybody coming on behalf of wonderful best producer in the game. Craig D'Alessandro Mark Mark Angelo Ray, Shawn Buchanan, real BK Bob Kelly, Joe Malkin and myself, Dave Clark. Thanks for tuning in. Have a good rest of your week.

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