May 4, 2021

2021 NFL Draft Recap | Patriots Draft Mac Jones

2021 NFL Draft Recap | Patriots Draft Mac Jones

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Today on Missing the Point: We break down the 2021 NFL Draft.

We'll give our reactions to what many people viewed as one of the most exciting first rounds in recent memory. (3:29)

 And we'll also talk about the most surprising pics and recap the draft of the Chicago Bears (44:06), Dallas Cowboys (54:48), and New England Patriots (1:10:10). 

Plus,  Bobby has an announcement to make.  (1:56)

Hosts: Joe Malkin, Michael Marcangelo, Bob Kelly, Rayshawn Buchanan, Dave Clarke
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Transcript
Craig D'Alessandro:

Today I'm missing the point or breaking down the 2021 NFL Draft, we'll give our reactions to what many people viewed as one of the most exciting first rounds in recent memory. And we'll also talk about the most surprising pics and recap the draft of the bears cowboys and patriots. Plus, I think Bobby has an announcement to make. Hmm. This is missing the point, Episode 57. But it's all relative.

Joe Malkin:

Welcome to missing the point. My name is Joel Malkin. I'm joined by the entire crew tonight and Mike Mark Angelo, our EP Craig D'Alessandro tk sizzle up there in California, Mr. B. rayshawn. Buchanan in the real BK Bob Kelly, we have an NFL Draft to recap tonight, a week after we previewed the NFL draft and told you how everything was gonna go boys, we were pretty close with what we were throwing out last week. And looking back at our interview with Anthony Tricia pro football focus, he was pretty spot on where the Patriots were gonna go in the first round. He didn't get the corner in the late rounds coming here, but we thought he would. But guys, as the six of us are fans of three different teams, we're gonna take a look at the entire draft. We're gonna go through the top 10 we're gonna look at the Patriots draft the Cowboys draft and the bears draft. There's no game involved, but we're gonna look at everything and see see who's gonna win and after 17 games, I guess this season. So guys, welcome in. And I am going to start with Bob Kelly. Because while we had the NFL Draft over the weekend, which started Thursday night, there was a total of 259 draft picks. But we do have another draft pick that went unnamed that Bobby is going to give us now.

Rob Kelly:

So I just you know I teased this on the last live show where we're officially past the point of you know, we can feel comfortable telling everyone so there is another member of the missing the point crew being delivered in about nine months. I don't know if it's a boy or girl yet Katie's expecting she's having a baby. excited about it. Let's go. Oh, got we got a seventh member now guys.

Michael Marcangelo:

Awesome. That's so

Dave Clarke:

excited. sign off on your offspring immediately joining the podcast. Listen, they have some just some fucking audition, we make sure that they're good enough.

Joe Malkin:

I mean, like it hops on here and just starts going for what

Unknown:

it's worth, Bobby like we're really excited. It's amazing, but we've known about it for a long time. Where we faking it.

Michael Marcangelo:

But renters do, so make sure they pay up.

Joe Malkin:

Odds and odds in Vegas are that naming the baby ration is plus 100. So

Rob Kelly:

it's out there were one one last funny story about that. So my dad text me everyone out there knows when a Cowboys fan. So he texted me we're talking about like, I'm sick. I'm gonna be a good dad, you should be a good bla bla bla, and start talking about if he's gonna be a Cowboys fan. I'm like, No, dad. I said I was gonna be a good dad. No, no, I'm not gonna put him through that suffering that you did to me.

Joe Malkin:

I mean, you know, you can always come back to the dark side. I just want you to know that we would accept you with open arms. Okay, we're back again would fit in. Right? Yeah, we're great. We're bad again.

Unknown:

I can't at this point.

Joe Malkin:

So let's let's take a look at the the NFL Draft at least at the top 10 which is really what we previewed and see and see where we are. We do have a late round pick that that ration and I kind of called one that I enjoyed and I'm glad that the Pittsburgh Steelers went with but guys did this draft to go as planned, quote, unquote, I think it lived up to the hype. Yeah, I think this was one of the most and I know that a lot of people will say that. You know, it's just a bunch of crap. It's a bunch of baloney. You never know how it's gonna turn out. The NFL did an incredible job marketing this they did an incredible job pushing this out. And it was exciting from the first for even having Trevor Lawrence picked first was exciting.

Michael Marcangelo:

Yeah, I mean, I couldn't live without all the video packages. But I we talked about it last week that San Francisco controlled the draft and man did they I mean that their pick, shifted everything. I mean, it literally sent the entire rest of the first round. I'm convinced now more than ever, that those NFL insiders that we heard that were saying that the 49 we're gonna take Mac Jones. That was Belichick. It had to have been, he was never a top three quarterback ever. And all we kept him was Yeah, Matt Jones. They like him. They really liked him. He'll fit their system and then all of a sudden he just drops to 15 so i think i think tre Lance is a hell of a pickup that is a hell of a pic for the 40 Niners

Rob Kelly:

what I love it so what I love about the 40 Niners is Shanahan actually came out and said they're blowing smoke up everyone's ass. That was a he literally came out and said that about Like all that Mac Jones stuff that was us just like putting feelers out there. See what people were saying back they had known for the past week and a half, apparently to try Lance was the guy. And it was just him, and the owner Shanahan and the owner that knew that they were picking them. So

Dave Clarke:

I don't think that was a good pick, though.

Rob Kelly:

I don't I like Lance, man. I,

Dave Clarke:

why do they hate Jimmy Garoppolo so much.

Joe Malkin:

Well, we'll get there. Let's get down to that pick first. And I guess that was kind of the first surprise. And that's the first question we have on here. So let's go through it because there were 10 total quarterbacks taken in the draft, there was five in the first round one in the second, and we're gonna get to that second round quarterback pick because that's an interesting one as well. But let's talk about those first three. So Trevor Lawrence, unsurprisingly goes to Jacksonville. Zach Wilson, unsurprisingly goes to the New York Jets. And then that number three pick which, you know, Mike, as you mentioned, Mac Jones was thrown around that he could be taken by San Francisco and instead, they went with North Dakota State quarterback, Trey Lance did the San Francisco 40 Niners. So I want to speak to the Jimmy Garoppolo part. But let's talk about why that was a good or bad pick for the 40 Niners.

Dave Clarke:

I just don't think it was I just like I think it's just I think the second best quarterback. I'm obviously a little biased at this point. But I think the second best quarterback in the draft was Justin Fields. And I think to l t him drop I think it's going t prove I mean, I can't prove t at right now. But I think it's g ing to prove to be a bad c oice for them in the future. I t ink. I like yeah, like you s id my case. It's screwed up e erybody. It's screwed up the d afts in a good way then b cause then like kind of every s mehow everybody had a good d aft. But it's it seemed like e erybody kind of got what they w nted or needed to me except f r the 40 Niners like What's so w ong with Jimmy g like I u derstand the injury stuff, but h did bring him to a sumo two y ars ago and now you're keeping t em but you're going to stash t is kid so like what like What i there? What does it stay with C sco 40 Niners like quarterback p sition look like going into n xt season.

Joe Malkin:

So this is where I'm going to sound like a mix between me and Bobby about Jimmy Garoppolo but I think it was just that is that Kyle Shanahan looks at the body of work that Jimmy Garoppolo has given him and it's been you know, it was that 19 games in the Super Bowl season and then it was what six last year cuz he went down the week after they beat the Patriots and in his first year there I think he only played four. So I mean, I see Dave I'm kind of with you like that well obviously because I was the one that wanted Jimmy g back in New England which pretty much died when they took Trey Lance but I think it's just that and Kyle Shanahan just doesn't seem so high on him but I think right now what it is now is that Trey Lance is kind of seen as a project although I hate to throw this out there I don't think he's as much of a project as Justin fields I think you're absolutely right the Justin fields is like the second or third best quarterback in terms of pure athletic talent but in terms of trade Lance He's so good

Dave Clarke:

as it as a pic when this when the 40 Niners made it I don't think that I think the trillions is a better quarterback probably will be a better quarterback than Mitch trubisky but it felt like a Mitch trubisky type draft because it was like well, because it was all that weird stuff about Mitra was like well, he kind of only played one full season and we haven't seen him like play against like a lot of elite competition. And those exact same criticisms can be leveled to Trey Lance. I feel like Yeah, and it's just like Well, you're kind of taking a gamble and then Shanahan's doing this thing now where he's like, Alright, I'm putting all my eggs in this basket it clearly right like cuz you know, Jimmy G is not gonna do it for me doesn't think Okay, cool. But like he's gonna he's gonna start him he's gonna start in week one right? He's gonna start trailing You don't think so? I

Michael Marcangelo:

took Trey to make sure that well. Jimmy's only played more than seven games once in his entire career. Right Well, you

Joe Malkin:

can't use New England as a sample though Mike.

Michael Marcangelo:

Okay, only played seven games in his entire career in San Francisco as a starter Yeah,

Dave Clarke:

sure that's a pretty damning stat

Michael Marcangelo:

it's bad it's it's bad. But like on the off chance that it he has a good year then you have one year to develop trade lands just like Kansas City did with mahomes behind Alex Smith. I'm not comparing the two but i think you know you're there they have a really good quarterback situation right now because when Grappler is healthy, they do well if he's not now they have a really good bonafide you know, the quarterback to back him up and I think he's a quarterback

Dave Clarke:

for sure if all if all goes according to plan you know, but like if he if you're saying he's a project does he go in if Jimmy goes down? Yeah, he does. Right so and you know if you add that to his health stats, you know that could happen week two and then all of a sudden you got you might wreck trade Lance then right if he's if you're thinking because you're used to gambling on Jimmy G's health a little bit, right. And Justin fields, I just feel like it was like a better prospect. I mean, I was pretty shocked. He was still there. You guys texted me. You were like, Dave, the bears are making a move. I wasn't watching it. I was like, I don't give a shit. I'm gonna have to watch this awful 2021 2022 Bear season with just a couple of absolute relics that were never really that good a quarterback and it's just gonna make me sad. And then like, you're like Dave quick, like, look at the draft and it's like, I was like, Justin fields is still fucking there. I was like our lemon. I was like what? Like did everybody have a brain aneurysm like on the way down here? That's crazy too.

Rob Kelly:

So it's funny that you say that though because I actually said this on the preview is like, the NFL is you see year after year, man, they're fucking stupid. You know what I mean? Like it just happens every year you like how on God's name does Patrick mahomes get picked 11th in the draft how it got you? You know what I mean? Like the thing is, though is Trey Lance's upside is so beyond anything of what Mitch trubisky ever could have been no offense mister before at the start to lead off like I'm just saying it's more of an upside pick and I feel like the woods Shanahan his mindset because you guys know I can read their minds is he feels like he can develop them that upside is gonna shatter because he's that guy right he's the quarterback guy so like inexperience is never going to stop Kyle Shanahan from picking someone you know and because he's you feels like he can do it.

Joe Malkin:

The problem I have with the beginning of your statement and said you know, we look at these guys and say they're idiots and sure revisionist history we can look at this and the whole time when we were talking in the discord about these pics and we're going back and forth on the needs of these teams. And Mike's a note the DeVonta Smith can't fall this far, or this guy can fall that far. Not necessarily all Mike but Mike was stuck on the devonte to number 10 but the biggest thing is that's all revisionist history because you can say how do you let Patrick mahomes fall to 11? Well, he did all 10 of the teams before them need that quarterback shirt. There were some idiots in there and there's some guys that look dumb in there. But you also I mean, they got to go by needs I mean are 31 injured born to Yeah, but are 31 other teams dumb for not picking Tom Brady in the first 198 picks? I mean, yeah, we can look back now.

Rob Kelly:

Brady's Oh yes, he had a potbelly. All that shit but like you watch the if you watch Brady's senior year man, he led Michigan back from my 28 point combat a lot in

Joe Malkin:

college and I've never been able to do that in the pros. He was really good.

Rob Kelly:

those last few games so like, I feel like he should have gotten drafted before that. Yeah,

Joe Malkin:

alright, so of the three quarterbacks taking 123 Trevor Lawrence Zach Wilson tre Lance. Let's put it let's put it on record right now. rayshawn who has the better career after five years Trevor Lawrence Zach Wilson trailers.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I'm gonna go with Zach Wilson. Like I mean I'm a big train lift supporter but I think I'm gonna I'm gonna say to Zack Wilson becomes the quarterback that new app is needed as long for says this is your name is

Dave Clarke:

gonna be a Jets quarterback though so like,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I mean, I mean yeah, but I mean he's gonna be a just quarterback but they've already put more around him. And and obviously isn't an average for Sam Donald's. So that lets me know that, you know, Raja Salah, and you know, the Yeah, they're invested in making him the guy. And you know, I said, Listen, Jessica, gonna play defense, I think because of the defense. And because Zach Wilson is talent. If you mix that together, I think in five years, he's going to be the guy that you're like, man, I can't believe that. Maybe Jackson when I looked at even though everyone agrees that Trevor Lawrence should be number one pack, but I think we're gonna look at Zach Wilson the fighters and be like, Man, this guy is special. And yeah, patient is going to be said that he's being harassed twice a year.

Joe Malkin:

I hope I'm not proved wrong. Something about Trevor Lawrence isn't doesn't seem right. To me. I don't know what it is. I don't know if it's wrong here. And

Unknown:

you know, I guess

Rob Kelly:

they'll be Harris.

Dave Clarke:

Like, get that hippie out of here.

Rob Kelly:

He doesn't care. He doesn't care. He just wants to sit around and flip flops all day. And

Joe Malkin:

that's why he is in Jacksonville. He's

Dave Clarke:

gonna say I only make that job because I get it. That's

Joe Malkin:

so so looking past the first three picks, which is going to be interesting to see and it's really interesting how with this draft, this is one of those drafts where we've really kind of cared about the top 10 Kyle Pitts is then taken a number four by the Atlanta Falcons the highest tight end as drafted. That's how high a titan has ever been drafted as the fourth overall pick.

Dave Clarke:

He's so good.

Joe Malkin:

He's so good.

Dave Clarke:

He's like he's gonna be some amalgamation of like Travis, Kelsey and gronk and like, in today's NFL you can draft a titan that early and it's it doesn't look stupid because it's like he's gonna be really good

Rob Kelly:

he's a walking mismatch that's what that is no matter where you line him up he can barely do it outside six

Joe Malkin:

six to 60

Dave Clarke:

yeah and Matt Ryan like

Unknown:

him for like it's ridiculous. Yeah.

Dave Clarke:

And for all we've for all we know, Matt Ryan, like, he's still better than probably have two quarterbacks in the NFL. So given him that weapon is a good thing. You know, I know they look like shit last year, and I think kind of like the year before also, but if you got a guy you can just throw to every play and he's gonna be ready made to do that right away and the NFL has gotten NFL bodies had an NFL body since he was like 18 So, yeah, he's ready.

Michael Marcangelo:

But also like between him Ridley and Julio, you can't cover them all unbelievable.

Unknown:

I mean, believe me, he was gonna be gone. He's gone.

Rob Kelly:

So you know a pet says you guys know those Facebook posts you see where it's like the best running back ever barry sanders legs this guy is that that's what he is. He's gronk housekeys blocking Jimmy Graham's redzone ability and Travis kelce he's catching ability. That's what Kyle

Joe Malkin:

is He's unbelievable man and he and he was playing with Kyle Trask who you know it did end up getting taken as the sixth overall quarterback to go in the draft but the one thing that Atlanta does not have going for them and we talked to them about to this point in the pre draft show is that they still after even after the draft only have one quarterback on the roster though I did see today that they drafted 20 I'm sorry, they signed 20, undrafted, free agents, so there might be a quarterback in there. I did not run down that list. The next one is an interesting one that I think we all jumped on a little bit. And that's Ja'Marr Chase t e first overall wire the fir t wide receiver taken in the dra t out of LSU goes to Cincinna i and he's gonna play with his b y Joe burrow from back in LSU. A d Ray you're shaking your he d alread

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yes, stupid. Stupid like jamara Listen, tomorrow Chase is a baller. That's not the debate like Ja'Marr Chase can play to tackle that's exactly like Penei Sewell was there like you how you have to protect the investment. You have to pay the quarter we saw

Dave Clarke:

what happened already. Right?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I just I don't I just I don't understand that. So it's just like that, to me. was dumb. I really love the next pick after him. I said we'll get to that with a general bottle. But I just it's just like, what am I What do you do in Cincinnati? Like you have to protect number nine like you can always do what's gonna use other receivers you could find like, you're gonna you can get the get this kid out of Memphis that went to Philly, not the most. It's kind of gay. Well, like, there's other guys. Other guys. I get

Dave Clarke:

that they lost AJ green. And I think they panicked a little bit because AJ green went to Arizona and I think they were like, Oh, shit, but like, I agree. It's like, you gotta protect your

Rayshawn Buchanan:

2018, bro.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, no, no, it's just like they had you know, they had that as part of the concept. And it's like, I just think it's like, I understand there's at least some logic behind it. But I agree with you wholeheartedly that like you already saw that Burrow was jus getting absolutely but fucke for the entirety of the 202 2021 season. So you have to ge him some protection. Like that' insane. So you can't say tha they didn't because they made trade with the New Englan Patriots. And at 46 they pic Jackson Carmen. And then at 12 they took Tyler Sheldon so w don't want to say that becaus of where they took him. It mean they're going to be they'r going to be bad, but they wen after a weapon and then wen after the protection

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, but you get the protection first. Oh, Joe.

Rob Kelly:

Yeah, in my opinion, the difference the difference between a franchise changing tackle and a franchise changing wide receiver it's much harder to find that tackle Yeah, when we got Tyron Smith, it was just like that was done and like we know that he's there and no one's coming off that blind edge. So I'm what's your I mean I loved Mr. chasen. I think he's gonna be awesome with borrow. But yeah, I mean you can't pass that up You're right.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, like he was that kid from Oregon? They should have taken Penny Yeah, but so yeah, it's like that dude is like gonna be the best he's a franchise Yeah, he's just gonna he's gonna be for 10 years even even

Rayshawn Buchanan:

a kid out of the kindergarten that a Slater yes they ever saw Slater lay you know not saying it cuz we have the same name but like this dude is a beast like you got to get you got to go after guys got you got you got to get a guy named bring a team like that. You just have to do it. No but seriously like, you have to go after the best talent available right you pick the best guy on the board and they saw was the best guy on the board. I mean, clearly they thought Chase was the guy I get that but it's okay great. So now you go from to win 14 to what foreign to foreign 13 congratulations.

Michael Marcangelo:

I think that their second and third round picks validates it supports their wide receiver right because now they were convinced there's not one other person on the draft board that will do for them which Mr. Chase would and they could find suitable offensive line relief they got they had not right on last year. So I when I saw this move, I was like man, that's like I get it but it's dumb. You got that you have to protect that you have to protect your king. And then they did. They did.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah. But like not to that not to that same level as you could have you know what I mean? Like

Rob Kelly:

Yeah, it costs essentially cost them three picks. So that's the way I see it because they picked Ja'Ma r Chase they then had to go o t and pick three offensive linem n to make up for that one pi k because they know borrow y u know what I mean borrow right o you that you have to do it f you pick so that opens up o many other options in your dra t for you so so that's I agr e it's just not atomic you' e obviously so much more right b

Joe Malkin:

yeah, but I named named me the Cincinnati Bengals wide receiver court right now

Dave Clarke:

yeah, but like named me Hank is just one

Rayshawn Buchanan:

is Higgins in Hagen's

Rob Kelly:

you can find an atom seal and you can find a Julian Edelman you can find you know what I mean? You can find these guys you don't find very many franchise left tackles like so it's

Dave Clarke:

not you're not wrong. And if you believe in Joe burrow you believe that he like it's like, get to the

Rob Kelly:

point, man, right?

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, get to the point where you're like, Alright, we got everything but we need to get we need to get Joe burrow some weapons you got to get to that point, but like don't go get the weapon before you can see what he can do with a little time and to stay unhealthy for an entire season. And you got to give him his best chance to do that, you know, and I just I agree on that. Brady made it to the AFC Championship but

Rob Kelly:

for Shay caldwells is number one. So I feel like

Joe Malkin:

that was that wide receiver core wasn't great, but at all. But it also wasn't his what was that his third year, third or fourth year? already won the Super Bowl.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

As a starter has it started though as a starter. Right?

Unknown:

Well,

Dave Clarke:

I will say I know I know. You know you mentioned Jaylen Waddle. Right? I will say I know why they didn't take him is because what's his name tomorrow chase played with a Burrow at LS

Rayshawn Buchanan:

No, I get that but what was cool to me is that is the guy that dad you really good? Yeah, if I was if he felt 18 if he felt a 15 like I would not have been mad at 15 and then getting got Monde at 46 I mean 46 so I'm here for like Jaylen Waddle. I'm Tom telling you right off the bat. Yeah,

Unknown:

we're gonna say

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Henry Rose is that guy? He's already know. Yeah. Henry runs with that guy. He didn't he didn't see how we torched Kansas City last year. Right. I'm saying but we make it a comparison. But I'm like yeah, I got you but it's just to me like that. Was that guy?

Dave Clarke:

What was Yeah, but also worked out for the dolphins because that's another quarterback riders here. reunion for two.

Unknown:

Oh, yeah.

Dave Clarke:

Sure. So it's like it worked out for everybody. And it's a great pay for the dolphins. I think there's a ton of upside to him. Like you were saying like, you know, we already established He's really good. But

Rayshawn Buchanan:

how long will it go for them to

Rob Kelly:

last? Yeah. So it was these two packs. By the way. We'll get there eventually. That ended up ruining my night because that's what led to the events that unfolded. It didn't ruin your night. Don't be dramatic. Give me my show back.

Joe Malkin:

So Jaylen Waddl taken by the Miami Dolphins which is a great pic. Dave. The have their offensive line. The were able to, you know, to hav got banged up last year, bu they were able to keep Rya Fitzpatrick and his magnificen beard and thighs up. Right. S then at number seven Pana Sewell out of Oregon goes t Detroit Lions, we've talke about him already. He has career talent. And he is goin to now have a job of keepin Jared Goff upright, which i something that the Rams di pretty well in LA and but think this is going to allo them to do exactly what you guy said about the Cincinnat Bengals is to open up othe possibilities for the lions t get what they need

Dave Clarke:

I just think it sucks that he's gonna have to be on the lions because, you know, we're never basically never going to hear from him again. Because like lions are showing important and terrible. And I think that Jared Goff is also an important and terrible so it actually fits in to the Detroit Lions. Yeah, he's not going to change them into any kind of offensive threat in that division,

Michael Marcangelo:

but talk about a team that could use a wide receiver. But

Unknown:

yeah, if they

Rob Kelly:

swap picks for once for once, it was smart for them. I have to say listen, he's a Dan Campbell guy though.

Dave Clarke:

They took the best guy on the draft and on the board left in theory.

Rob Kelly:

He's gonna love playing for Dan Campbell to

Rayshawn Buchanan:

get both mega mega byte kneecaps together.

Joe Malkin:

So Panay soul gets taken at number seven, and then number eight to the Carolina Panthers. This was an interesting pick. And I think this is the one that surprised everybody that I was listening to and watching and that's Jaycee Horn, son of former saints wide receiver Joe horn out of South Carolina going eighth to the Panthers. Alright, so they have Sam darnold as their quarterback they have Christian McCaffrey as they're running back. Now they have a cornerback on defense Ray. Oh, I

Rayshawn Buchanan:

mean, listen, I love it. I mean, I talked about him being the best corner drop I know Bobby really want him to fall at 10 I won't even know Dallas felt traded back but yeah, JC wants a dog and you know I you know I think that's the pic i thought that i thought he was gonna pick Micah P rsons there I really believe t at I felt like they were going t replace a Luke quickly there b t I mean, listen, it's a p ssing league. And you need to s ore up your defense as much as p ssible. So to have a guy that c n potentially become a s utdown corner, you know, to me i always something that you s ould go after. And you know, s they still have some guys o fered like I said, McAfee we t lked about DJ more, you know, R bbie Anderson so you know, t ere's still some guys there, y u know, I think they got some g ys everyone that could be some p aymakers during the draft as w ll. That's the names are e caping me right now. But yeah, I m excited. I like that pic. A d I think he's gonna be a esome.

Michael Marcangelo:

Two words that come to mind. Like when I pick him up and I just remember just reading across the screen Bobby go. Oh, no, because he wanted Jaycee Horn or certeyn. That's who he was. He had hitched his wagons to for the Cowboys. And when the first one was off the board and like this was a really surprising pick again, the top 10 this year did not disappoint. There's this for the force the cow do what they want. You know what Joe will later talk about, but I love this pick. I don't think for Carolina that you need to load up on offense, especially when Sam Donald is not an electrifying quarterback. Right, especially when you have to have we already have, you already have CMC, he's already there. Just do what you need to do. And if you have a good defense around that offense, now we're talking about a 10 711 and 16 in a couple years. In that division,

Joe Malkin:

you think with the saints and the Buccaneers.

Michael Marcangelo:

I like the saints or anything,

Unknown:

anything and yeah, not right now. Right?

Michael Marcangelo:

The Falcons are going to score 1000s of points, but they're probably also gonna let up 1000s of points, so I'm still not really concerned about them either.

Joe Malkin:

Whatever you're concerned about,

Michael Marcangelo:

yes. For

Dave Clarke:

the Panthers of the top of the top 10 I think the Panthers did the best job drafting where they needed something No, they really needed something because their secondary was absolutely trashed last season so yeah, like you said, they're probably still gonna let up points but they needed a guy who can like at least not help like a team with any decent wide receivers come in and look like they have like five Calvin Johnson's, you know what I mean? That's what teams are doing to the Panthers last season, so at least make one of them not, you know, at least make their best guy work. Which is what this guy isn't, I think is a good pick. I think it would have been a good pick for cowboys to because they also unfortunately, have an atrocious defense. But sorry, Bobby,

Rob Kelly:

before we get the one thing I love about Jaycee Horn, out of everything is this dude has been around the NFL and most likely guarding NFL wide receivers. Since he was like nine years old. You don't think he helped his dad train when he was younger? Like, this dude is bred to be a cornerback and he is going to be awesome.

Joe Malkin:

I wonder if the next guy was bred to be an NFL quarterback?

Rob Kelly:

whistle so go ahead.

Joe Malkin:

Alright, that's all I had to do. Okay, I had another thought to go along with the Panthers. Oh, one of my favorite picks that the Panthers made and I think I shared it with you guys was Matt rule, the head coach of the Panthers calling a draft pick. He's a long snapper. And he called him up and asked him if he was coming and the kid thought that the draft had ended. So he was all dejected. And Matt rule said you come and he said I'm trying to figure out what I'm doing and that rule said I just drafted you dude get to Carolina. And it was just it was really cool to hear hear the draft stories and you know, I think Matt rules a guy that the guys in Carolina are gonna like plan for going forward to definitely a players guy. So then at number nine, the Denver Broncos, who in pretty much every mock draft we saw we're going to take Penn State linebacker Micah what why don't Micah Parsons Parsons I keep wanting to call him Richards Micah Parsons at number nine. Instead they take Patrick Surtain II or 10 the second cornerback out of Alabama, the second of three Alabama players to go in the first 10 and then of course the second of 10 that went in the entire draft out of the University of Alabama. So Sir 10 goes nine this is the guy that Bobby wanted to go to 10 to the cowboys and then Mike like you said, this really changed the outlook of the next three picks

Michael Marcangelo:

also it made drew lock or Teddy Bridgewater his life that much easier, right? Because now you have Ronald Darby, Kyle Fuller, and Patrick Surtain II. in the backfield.

Dave Clarke:

Their bag feels like so different all of a sudden, yeah,

Michael Marcangelo:

yeah. And what we've seen that we know since Elway took over that team is if you give him the chance to build a really good defense and he just has just a mediocre quarterback. They can go far now Peyton's not mediocre Joe just he was

Rob Kelly:

an old school wasn't that's an old school battle right there.

Joe Malkin:

Yeah. Well, you're right, Mike, that that defense was really good, right. The Von Miller Derek Wolfe defense, it was a great defense and they've just built a great secondary for whoever the heck is going to start a quarterback there whether it's Teddy Bridgewater drew lock or insert options. See here. What made that

Rob Kelly:

so surprising is that I didn't think fields would still be there at that point. So I didn't actually think Denver would have went back in there. Well, I feel like Tom was gonna trade up for I just felt like something was gonna happen. I really never thought they were gonna go corner. You know what it like, right? You're the only person I saw out of everyone out of every mock draft that had certain to Denver, and I feel like honestly, it was your fault. So I blame my

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Well, I mean, listen, it's once again it's a passing league. So I think I couldn't I couldn't I was the only I was the only one I did pack and kick back to back corners me and picked I just say that, but if you get back to back defensive players that are being picked, so yeah, I mean, Vic Fangio. You know, he was I think over with Chicago a few years back and he came over to Denver, so he's a defensive guy, so it doesn't shock me that he was gonna pick a defensive player. I thought Parsons we're gonna go we're gonna go next guy was such that was so Boston right there past Parsons. I thought I thought he was gonna be Sounds epic he wasn't I think he fell in a great position going to Dallas or not. We'll get to that later on. But yeah, I mean, listen saying is gonna be awesome. And once again you're in he's in AFC West during a Waller, Henry rugs, obviously, you know hell Kelsey like, Hey, you need guys that's gonna defend so you know as a bridge you want to share with you started like you pay him 21 $22 million. He showed me started there. So once they got his head out my ear, they're not gonna go quarterback like I just figured that, like they

Dave Clarke:

still could have though he still could have grabbed Justin Fields, it wouldn't have been like a bad pick.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

not picking anything or stirring at this moment. Like I

Dave Clarke:

get what you're saying my advantage, though, because if he Patrick Surtain II is a ball Hawk, apparently, like he's a guy who goes after the ball. And like, I think that they're probably gonna have at least top five defensive turnovers.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, for sure. And especially healthy and, you know, yeah, they have a lot of pieces there defensively. You know, like I said, they've always had a decent defense, especially over the last decade. So Alexa, yeah, I wasn't surprised by the pack. And, you know, you know, sorry, sorry about you. But I say you guys still got a hell of a defender at home. So I'll just say,

Joe Malkin:

yeah, so then the number 10, the Cowboys had to pick they saw Patrick Surtain II or 10 get taken. And they said, well, Jerry said, All right, well, we're gonna have to make a move here. Because the guy that they want, it wasn't there anymore. And they knew that they could slide down because they knew that inter division, rival Philadelphia Eagles needed something that they did, right. So the Cowboys don't need a receiver. We all decided that in the pre show, although Bobby would have taken all three of the receivers that were taken before this point if the Cowboys drafted. So the Cowboys trade away the number 10 pick for 12 and 84, which we'll talk about when we get to the Cowboys. We're gonna run through this and then get into our teams here. But the Cowboys turn those two picks into defensive selections, but at number 10 to round up the 10th a third Alabama player to go in the top 10 is to DeVonta Smith, wide receiver, the Heisman winner, DeVonta Smith going to the Philadelphia Eagles, you know, it's so funny because we say it in New England. Well, they're

Rayshawn Buchanan:

like, Wow, great.

Joe Malkin:

We drafted a receiver who's gonna throw to them? Well, I kind of say the same thing with Jalen hertz. I think he's, I think he's a good talent. I think he's, I personally think he's Mike Vick light without the dogfighting and I think that he's a good athlete.

Unknown:

I don't know.

Joe Malkin:

I don't know. But benefit of the doubt. I still think Mike Vick shouldn't have been blackballed, but I stopped Ray from going on a tangent so I won't go on a tangent. But DeVonta Smith to Philly is great. But is Jalen hertz gonna be able to throw to him now that Jalen hertz is the guy in Philly. That's Mike.

Dave Clarke:

Well, even they obviously believe in Him because if Justin fields is sitting there and they were like, let's get Jalen hurts who threw six touchdowns and five interceptions or something along those lines last season? I guess we're going all in on him like great job failure. That was fucking stupid. Like Good Luck. Like they just again it's like it sucks when you see like a good I get obviously I don't believe in Jalen hertz. That's like clearly my position but it sucks when you see a guy like DeVonta Smith go to a team where he's not going to matter for the first like probably five years of his career, which I guess is going to happen to him because he's gonna go high.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

But that's not know the person. Okay, well, I'm the opposite. I disagree. Obviously, Philly got two playmakers that are going to be very good. I think of right away from that game will kid which week from the Lincoln bill you should have he was there. You should have drafted him. That was the James Wright replacement, but I'll let that go even though I like Steve said but we'll get there DeVonta Smith is going to be great him with rager

Dave Clarke:

I agree. He's gonna know.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Bobby hurts to me is not going to be I mean, like that might feel I think that's actually a great comparison, Joe, like I don't think he's someone's gonna wow you every time What does athleticism but, you know, he's someone who's gonna be a game manager like he might be. I feel like as soon as I get alex smith type of guy, right. So someone that might go, you know, 27 touchdowns to like 13 picks.

Dave Clarke:

I mean, his current ratio does not support that. Right. He's still right

Rayshawn Buchanan:

by me. But I mean, let's let's let's be honest, like there wasn't much around him last year in Philadelphia, like and he basically was again pulled out every other game. Like, there was some game there was some plays he made I was like, Okay,

Dave Clarke:

I'm not gonna work because it's kind of a mess down there. So like, not

Rayshawn Buchanan:

for sure. For sure. So I mean,

Dave Clarke:

but I agree with you that DeVonta Smith is gonna be really good. That's why it's a bummer that he's gonna be on the Philadelphia Eagles.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Right. But that's I'm saying I think they played together though. They played together. They played together Alabama. Yeah. You know, so yeah, I think that's something where that's going to help and that's going to help didn't hurt anything in my opinion. So Kevin

Joe Malkin:

will sirianni coach. That's what I that's the question. Yeah, that's

Rayshawn Buchanan:

the key. That's the key.

Joe Malkin:

Because Doug Peterson screwed that up. Doug Peterson screwed that up in Philly and he screwed up Carson Wentz. Because Doug Peterson Well, actually, Doug Peterson screwed him up because Frank Reich left. And Frank Reich doesn't move to any now I think we're gonna see a resurgence in Carson Wentz. in Indianapolis. I do now that he's reunited with Frank Reich. And I think Nick sirianni is the best thing that could happen to Jalen hertz because it's not he's not Doug Peterson. So I don't believe Dave, you and I agree on Jalen hertz, but I think re reuniting of these two guys there might help. But Jalen hertz has to learn how to be a pro style quarterback because that's what Nick sirianni is gonna run

Dave Clarke:

DeVonta Smith not gonna hurt, he's not going to hurt his prospects for sure it's gonna help him. He's a really good wide receiver. But yeah, I don't know, I was just sorry about me, okay. No, you're fine. I

Rob Kelly:

just see it as like, the Eagles have a quarterback that's at least above average. And listen in the NFL. That's something that's that's hard to come by. So it's like, you'd rather take someone that you know, can make plays and make the throws. You saw it as some like a gamble, and put the weapons round and see what you got. That's how I see is like, you know, the Eagles aren't going to win the Super Bowl this year anyways, might as well see what the kids got. Give him some weapons. And then if you have to draft one next year, you're at the top again, You're

Dave Clarke:

sure? Yeah. And I know some of these I got a third round pick out of it. Some of these ball clubs can take a punt on like the top three, or top three quarterbacks in the draft every single year and they still fuck it up high jets. But like, it's my question to you is like Justin fields is there. So you're saying that? Jalen hertz, you'd rather have Jalen hertz than Justin fields? It's the context of the draft. It does,

Joe Malkin:

but don't what do you do? What do you do with it? This is the last question I have on the top 10 before we move on, and that's a great segue, Dave because we look at these teams that were drafting in the top 10 in the first round, that have the ability to trade I think we've all now seen the video of the Denver Broncos GM hanging up the phone on another GM saying he's got a call for something better from someone else. I'm like, Oh, well, I was probably belly check he hung up on so you look at the teams in there and Mike and I had this conversation the other night during the first round of the draft during these first 10 picks was which of these teams need a quarterback so you kind of question the San Francisco 40 Niners pick but we know that the niners have been down on Jimmy we know the Jets needed a quarterback they traded theirs we know Jacksonville needed a quarterback

Dave Clarke:

I just don't think that I don't think that the four Niners drafted the best available quarterback

Joe Malkin:

No, I understand what you're saying there but then it's like the Atlanta Falcons like all right, they got money. A lot of money tied up in Matt Ryan they're not going to draft the next guy right there. They're probably gonna go and find somebody undrafted. The bangles have their guy the dolphins have their guy Detroit just traded for their guy. Carolina traded for Donald and that's

Dave Clarke:

right there. I don't know if I agree with that Detroit. There guy.

Joe Malkin:

Like there's they gave up a lot for Jared Goff

Rob Kelly:

that's what broke my heart the most is those two guys. Those two teams are the two that you question the most for not picking one of those two quarterbacks is Carolina in Denver, because like yes, they have guys, but five years from now, right? If Justin fields and Mac Jones are all pro quarterbacks, those are the two teams that everyone's gonna be looking at. Like, you guys are idiots. You chose this Sam Darn it. Well, I think it's gonna be good. So I'm just saying those two, you took two quarterbacks over two franchise saving quarterbacks for Teddy Bridgewater, Drew Locke and Sam darnold. That's what I think the conversation could end up being and that's why I was so Mind blown that they took him

Michael Marcangelo:

they filled their need. And I think if you're Philadelphia, the downside to taking Justin fields while you still have, you know, Jalen hertz, who you believe in, I mean, that's an instant. You shattered his mindset. Right. So his upside is automatically lowered. And we don't know. We all know, but we don't really know. Justin fields upside in the NFL, if you have eyes, you know, but I think you surround the Eagles. You know, you surround Jalen hertz with DeVonta Smith and then Jalen reagor. I think he's going to be that's another guy that's gonna have a good year, because of this pick. I don't hate it.

Dave Clarke:

I respect it. Because I think the easy thing for the Eagles to do in this situation would be to say, let's just get fields and see what happens but you risk ruining a career off for someone that you don't know, for sure. There's sort of an Occam's razor thing there that you know, it's like just do the simplest smartest thing and it's like, the NFL with I don't know if they do because you can't win in the NFL without an all pro at least quarterback. So you know, you're betting on your what you're saying is you're betting on Jalen hertz to be that level.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, I mean that that's true. That's true. They but my question was for you, Dave. So do you think they had to go to concerts without the missing on Justin Jefferson last year, but that's what happened. Because Justin Jefferson was phenomenal with Minnesota and I'm just like, he was there. He was a Gregor. I think that the addition it was like, yo, we cannot miss song. Whoo. Whoo. We can

Rob Kelly:

record the mess though.

Joe Malkin:

I like record compared to Justin Jefferson. He's a mess. Well, Justin,

Rob Kelly:

Jeff, listen, everyone. Justin Jefferson's a different animal. He's a beast.

Joe Malkin:

Yeah, but they could have taken. That's the point I've raised.

Dave Clarke:

I think i think i think i agree with you, Ryan. I also think we're factored into that too is they thought at this point in our Sean Jeffrey's career he was going to still be producing at a rate that was comparable to what he was producing at in Chicago. It really never worked out for him in Philadelphia and I think like the price SPECT of the receiving corps looked a lot bleaker come the ninth what was it the 10th pick in this year's NFL Draft? And maybe it might have been during their five year plan five years ago, you know, I mean, like in five years we're gonna have this this this and this. So yeah, I think you're right. They're a little they're like a year behind on their build in that position. And allshine not being good screwed it up for them. And then I think they had that what was the guy that was always really good on Philly that was a wide receiver and then he came back and played like five days and he was terrible. I can't blanking on his name. Sean Jackson Yeah, so just Sean Jackson came back and he was not good. Right? So then because then you're because they were just trying to fill a hole adapt position. So yeah, I get why they did it. I'm just saying don't panic buy a weapon when I just I guess it's the difference between is is I just don't believe in Jalen hertz like that. He's done nothing to convince me now he can like win a Super Bowl with the Philadelphia Eagles like, you see, even you're saying like he's a manager he can like it's like those guys. don't win through those though. At this point in the NFL. You know what I mean? Wouldn't you rather fail by tying your wagons to a quarterback that's

Rob Kelly:

already there, then bringing another quarterback in and fucking it up internally? You know what I mean? I feel like it would be a worse Look, if you brought in a quarterback right? That guy ended up sucking, but then also it fucked up. Jalen hurt.

Dave Clarke:

He already hitched their wagon and they already hitch their wagon to a quarterback that was already there and fucked him up. Like they are with a

Joe Malkin:

different head coach with a different staff.

Unknown:

Yeah, sure.

Joe Malkin:

It's so but here's the other thing too is you guys mentioned Bobby especially the Panthers and the Broncos. Sure I can understand the Broncos missing at the quarterback position if you thought they should have they are paying two guys. If we're talking about those in the terms of the NFL Draft, we also have to talk about age and money of these guys. Jalen hertz is 24 years old Sam darnold with the Carolina Panthers wouldn't have even the oldest quarterback in this draft he's 23 years old he wasn't the oldest quarterback in this draft. So when you're paying these guys and you're throwing this capital around and you're throwing these assets at other people you kind of put yourself in a situation where that's what you want maybe what they did is they looked at it and said we don't want Justin fields in Mac Joseph God I hope they're wrong for your sake and the Patriots fan sake on this side of the camera. I hope fields in Jones are all pro quarterbacks but I look at those teams and I go they got they do have the guys so in terms of the draft like Mike just said they went out and got the needs that they needed they drafted all pro players based on what you guys all just said about them about those guys being picked there. I mean, Bobby you want and Patrick certain and then you want to Jaycee Horn second so

Dave Clarke:

but but the point is the quarterback position is more important and it outweighs

Rob Kelly:

what you think about so even Carolina they gave up a second round pick for Donald I get why you don't then use your first round peg on another quarterback. That's just bad drafting. Then the like you said the Eagles have Jalen there. Do you have a guy that Denver has Teddy Bridgewater on a one year contract and drew lock on the fifth fourth year of his rookie contract that he sucks for 10 we've already seen that he sucks Teddy's okay he's not great. Last year on game winning drives tapered Rogers elevate. Okay, I'm just saying the guy is there Carolina Panthers

Joe Malkin:

team quarterback McCaffrey.

Rob Kelly:

Right, but I'm just saying No, you know what I mean? Like, I'm playing Miko,

Dave Clarke:

but that's the thing that you can add to Bobby's point, it's like what we're going to get onto this when we talk about the barriers it's like you have to you know, just to get

Rob Kelly:

my god I gotta get your guy man

Unknown:

that was that guy.

Joe Malkin:

That's the point clearly that wasn't there guy because he was there.

Rob Kelly:

So Teddy Bridgewater is there got like you take Bridgewater drew lock you can make so I get so what? You're just not going to let team score that does that look like

Unknown:

Bobby?

Joe Malkin:

You told me the other night that the john Elway was one of the best quarterbacks in NFL history. And now you're thinking you're telling me that he

Dave Clarke:

finally says How come you guys had to draft those fucking quarterbacks and I wanted,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

right, yeah, that's really what it is.

Joe Malkin:

I gotta get the guy. It was just breaking out of the top 10 we're gonna go down our teams because Craig's gonna love it editing a two hour episode. So let's start with the bears because they've been brought up and they had the 11th overall pick, because they traded up with the New York Giants. Thank goodness they did that. Because the giants were gonna screw it up because they screwed it up in 20. Anyway, so Dave, you woke up from a nap? Basically, you're three hours behind us. So you woke up from a nap and you were like oh, what's going on here? I

Dave Clarke:

woke up in a daze you were like guy on the couch. Dan I was getting a lot of texts from you guys about movement in the draft which is where I really didn't expect this to happen and anyone that tells you they expect this to happen is fucking line. So like, it was weird because like Bobby says you don't give something up to go get like you know your second string QB and then like use your first round pick to draft a QB but that's literally what we did. So you know that I know they say that just feels isn't gonna start but like, yeah, I mean, he should like I think he means preseason, honestly, cuz it's just like No, he's she needs to start. And it's like I've heard criticism. I got very excited. Yes, you're right Joe. I was very excited that it happened because I was actually really high on him. I know you were to Mike so sorry you guys didn't get him but I was really high on him. I think he was the second best quarterback in the draft I think he's got I think it really really papered over the burn that was not getting Russell Wilson in the offseason because I really wanted Russell Wilson and I was like thinking about Russell Wilson before I fell asleep at night and like what he look like in Chicago Bears offense, and I was like, Oh, yeah, this is gonna be because I was I talked myself into like that I was gonna get him a sorry we were gonna get him but really it was for me and then to get Justin fields which is I feel like his direct QB comparison that you know, if you're building the prototype is Russell Wilson. And I know that I just because I've seen a lot of trolling from patriots fans, because obviously, I'm connected to a lot of Boston sports, social media accounts, and the big troll from patriots fans, I think it's because they're mad. They didn't get him. His Ohio quarterbacks are never good. And it's like, that is the weirdest argument to make, because,

Joe Malkin:

well, they're not. But also most patriots fans don't really know what college football is.

Michael Marcangelo:

Sure,

Dave Clarke:

but I agree, I totally get it. But it's the logic makes absolutely no sense. It's like, no one's ever been good from that school at that position before. And it's like, does that mean it can never happen? That doesn't make any fucking sense whatsoever. It's like, he's clearly good. Like, he's clearly really good. Just go watch him play. So like, and it's to be like, You failed because of the geographical location that you came out of like, that makes absolutely no sense. It's like different regimes.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

It's the same thing with Alabama too. Yeah, well, Alabama, I

Dave Clarke:

understand the Alabama thing even a little bit more, because you never really need a really good quarterback in Alabama. But Justin fields was the reason why Ohio were good. You know what I mean? Like in Alabama, you can always just turn around and hand the ball off to a generational college running back that counting three that can like run through everybody. So what the reason that Ohio were as good as they were, was because of Justin field. So it's just not the same thing. It's and you're just talking yourself into him being bad if you're saying that he's got to be so fucking good. I'm

Michael Marcangelo:

so thrilled. I can't speak on behalf of those patriots fans. But what I can say is I've never been as envious of the bears and bears fans as I was when I saw the 11th pick was traded. I literally I said everything.

Rob Kelly:

You were like, it's new.

Michael Marcangelo:

I mean, I knew

Dave Clarke:

I was still like, water, they're gonna fuck this up. I was still for that for those few minutes. I was like, they're gonna fuck this up. They're gonna,

Michael Marcangelo:

they saw that their need was a quarterback up for the future. And you know what they did, they moved up nine spots to do what they did what I mean, they'll check it. We'll talk about the Patriots for a little bit. But the bears did what they needed to do to get their guy and their guy is really, really good. And he's going to he's going to transform that team. And now if Aaron Rodgers is not that division, and Justin fields and just adjusted, he knows what what we think he can do. The NFC North now goes through midway through, you know what I mean? So,

Dave Clarke:

dude, it's watching the future of your franchise be could be guaranteed from a place where it was just looking so bleak.

Rob Kelly:

Yeah, I have quite a question for you. This is the best quarterback that you've ever seen, ever for the

Dave Clarke:

bears? Correct. This is the best, the most upside you've ever seen. So Jim McMahon is currently the best quarterback play for Chicago. Currently,

Rob Kelly:

he never had Justin fields upside though.

Dave Clarke:

That's what I say. That's how I've been seeing everybody biggest upside to a quarterback draft or quarterback signing. And the thing is, is that like, when I first started watching the Chicago Bears in like 1997, right? 1998 when I first moved to America, they it didn't matter as much then like you could build the defensive culture. And you could be especially in that era, you remember, like the 98 to like 2004 era when you have like teams like the Ravens and like all like Toronto first. Yeah, these defenses that could recruit, go win a Super Bowl, like you could cite a very recent example, often of a defensive go win a Super Bowl, so and it was also cool to have that culture you guys talk all the time about like, it's dope to have a defensive culture, you know what I mean? Because it's like, you're just, it's just, you're always hard to play you. Nobody ever wants to go to Chicago, like it's, you know, especially in the winter, it's sucks. You guys had that for a long time in New England too. But nowadays, you have to accept the reality of the NFL. And the way that it's set up is you need a quarterback and Justin fields has more upside than a lot of the cubies that I've seen come through the draft the last few years. And I'm just I can't believe it. Like, I feel like I'm gonna wake up from a dream because like the bears just never do this, and it's just feels so good.

Joe Malkin:

So looking at their entire draft, they had a very interesting draft, they had first, second, fifth, sixth and seventh round picks. They had 1234567 picks overall, one on the first one on the second one on the fifth three in the sixth, and one of the seven and that's partially because in the trade with the New York Giants, they traded number 20 which the Giants turned into Canarias Tony, and then they traded the 1/64 to the giants, which the Giants then turned around and traded to the Broncos and then the bears trade away. Their first and fourth round picks in 2022. Which, I mean, you know, you really, he really traded a first and a fourth for Justin fields and I think

Dave Clarke:

they gave up I if they had approached me with a much worse package I would have approved immediately. They don't ask me though, for whatever he's,

Joe Malkin:

well, I mean, you know, most nevermind I'm not even gonna make the joke. So then they make another trade with the Carolina Panthers, which Dave You should be happy about this one too because they traded for the 39th overall 100 and 51st overall, and with those two picks, they took two pretty good offensive tackles and Trevon Jenkins and Larry Boram out of Oklahoma State and Missouri, so they kind of did what we were all talking about with the bangles, right? They got their quarterback but then they went out and they found the best offensive tackles at that point in the draft and took them but then they also got him some help offensively taking a running back. I mean, granted six round picks. He's gonna be taken with a grain of salt. Yeah, khaleel Herbert Dez Newsome running back wide receiver, Thomas Graham Junior cornerback out of Oregon State and then I cannot say this guy's first name here is taonga a defensive tackle out of BYU so take it with a grain of salt what they pick at the end of the draft But Dave, you got to be happy about those tackle picks.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, like did I mean we haven't had like a terrible offensive line but they're starting to get old and you know, the the Kyle long retirement and like just different things you state that weird thing and I'm sure you guys know this about offensive lines is like you wake up one day and they suck. You know, like it doesn't like happen. It happens. So gradually, it happens almost at a snail's pace. In my experience with offensive lines when all of a sudden you're like wait a second, I thought our offensive line was good. And then like they're all old and you know, tired and hurt. So I think it's really good that we like freshened it up. You know? I think our defense is worse than it was this time last year and it's definitely a lot worse than it was this time two years ago because we had Vic Fangio who was a great defensive coordinator but we also you know, we lost Kyle fuller and you know, there's we didn't we didn't replace them with somebody better I forgot the guy's name or replaced him with but he's not that great. And I think I just think the defense starting to slowly decline even though it's still an all pro defense it's going to be a top five defense The problem is they were always on the fucking field last year because every single throw from any of our quarterbacks usually either went nowhere or went to the other team. So now if we can just stay on the field offensively for a little while like that's the nice thing you're not asking Justin fields to go and be a game changer for you at this point you're at you're really just asking them to first let the difference facilitate the game and like stop the teams that we play twice a season which is how the bears are still currently constituted.

Michael Marcangelo:

I'll also say like the It must be a cool thing as a Bears fan, right like this move this draft that they had is coming off of a playoff berth. Like it This isn't coming off a three and 13 season so

Dave Clarke:

they are like a phony playoff berth.

Michael Marcangelo:

First, I mean that they're there, they got there and they're making their team better. So right off the bat, it's not like you are two and 14 last year now you're like okay, we're gonna be six and 10 you were nine and seven right? or eight nine. You were close.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah. And also, you know, I was out on naggy cuz I was but it was really born of like pace and naggy being responsible for it Rybicki and then like foals failing in Chicago and like being there at all. So I think this is obviously them trying to save their jobs. They have to get aggressive like they're doing it. I think that this guy actually fits a matt naggy scheme. I think he's really good at young players. I think that he's really good. He's really creative. And I think that as much as Justin fields isn't necessarily like a scrambling QB, he's got good mobility. And I think that he can add that dimension a little bit more over time. Aaron Rodgers style maybe like where he you know, he does a lot of fakes and check downs so that you have to kind of watch what he's doing at all times. And I think he can like he's decent when the play breaks down. I think Zack Wilson was the best quarterback in the draft that was like good for like the best for when a play breaks down. So it's like you put him on a team that you know, it's gonna break down a lot. So should we you need that guy? But I think I think you can build such a crazy future for that offense and a crazy different identity if Matt naggy becomes the man Nike I thought he was gonna be two years ago. Yeah, no,

Rob Kelly:

I said this to you before the season. You watch that bears team It was very obvious what they were missing. As a quarterback. It was very obvious that was the piece it was like if that team last year had an average quarterback they were 11 512 and four easy so I think does a phenomenal pack for the bears him and treyvion Jenkins try he was supposed to be a first rounder only reason he fell is because the Raiders have no clue what's going on now

Unknown:

terrible draft.

Rob Kelly:

So so the only reason he ended up falling or why they took a different tackle at 17 Mark does this be like a third rounder? And that ended up making him fall to you guys. So those two picks man, they make your draft? That's your draft right. Alright, so

Joe Malkin:

we're gonna move on to the Cowboys draft where the Cowboys also had a really good draft. I mean, I know Dave, you feel that your draft was very top heavy with the quarterback in the first offensive tackle taken by Bobby, you guys kind of had a draft that spanned all seven rounds. And guys that have upside you had 11 total selections. four of those were compensatory picks. And of course, the first one was when you traded back with the Philadelphia Eagles, which again, is just an amazing trade because first of all, you had the eagle, the Cowboys, the giants and the Eagles drafting back to back to back, because that division was horrid last year, and then you see them trade out of the 10 spot to number 12 because their guy wasn't there anymore, right? horn or certeyn weren't there. So they trade to 12. They take Micah Parsons, and this pick wa the one that was originall Miami's picks. So this pic kin of got tossed around a littl bit before we got here. And the they got the 84th overall pick which is when they too defensive and Chauncey Goldstei Gholston. So Bobby, how do yo feel about your Dallas Cowboy taking Micah Parsons, and the ery, very defense heavy draft or the Dallas Cowboys?

Rob Kelly:

I mean, I love it. You know, I can't hate on her at all. Micah Parsons is a b ller. I watched him. Hey, w oa,

Unknown:

no, no, no, I mean,

Rob Kelly:

that's a good thing. Penn State right. Okay. It's like correcting my reference. Um, I don't know, He's unbelievable, man. Yeah, he is what everyone thought jaylon Smith could have been. But Jalen Smith never reached that potential. So he's the replacement for what we thought he was going to be and bringing him into that linebacker Corps. I'm not sure if Andrew Ash is going to end up staying or not, makes that front seven really, really good. And like we said, the first team in NFL history to ever go the first six picks on defense, but it's fitting because they were the worst defense in NFL history. So I feel like there's any team that's ever going to break that record. That was the Cowboys. The biggest deal in the draft was jabril Cox man jabril. Cox in the fourth round is an animal he is awesome. I don't know how we ended up falling that far. I think it's just because he played with North Dakota before transfer to LSU. But he's really good. Well, yeah,

Michael Marcangelo:

he plays he covers like a safety but I think Parsons, if you're a Cowboys fan, you have to be really intrigued as to how Dan Quinn is going to use him. And and all the things that they're going to do because I think that as Bobby mentioned, the you know, the Dallas Cowboys were the worst defense in my memory, NFL history now, but they know how to rebuild a certain section of their team in the draft. They built their offensive line under Romo. Like, instantly it happened really quick. So I do trust their ability to do that. Now I don't know if they're gonna draft 11 starters or even if all the all six their defensive players and starters but if three are, they're exponentially better than they were last year.

Rob Kelly:

Awesome. Right? Exactly. Exactly. And you can see Dan Quinn all over this draft you look at the people he picked. Dan Quinn loves length on the secondary he loves length linebackers he loves speed. You look at the guys we got was a nation right? People were ripping the Cowboys for this pack because they thought they could have got him in like the fifth sixth round. He's a Richard Sherman prototype. I guarantee you Dan Quinn got on the phone with this dude was like, you're my Richard Sherman. You're coming in here. That's who you're gonna be. Because he's six foot four 190 pounds. He's not very fast. But he's fast and coverage. He runs like a four or 540. But he can keep up with people in coverage. Right? He's football fast. So he was a good pick to I'm very happy with it. You guys know what I said before the draft his team needs literally everything on defense.

Michael Marcangelo:

Well, when you're when you're drafted. So when your two corners were gone. You were so mad. And then you said like, I'm just gonna I'm just gonna kill myself. I'm kidding. Yeah,

Rob Kelly:

I literally I literally screamed No, in the kitchen. Like I heard Pat but Parsons is a good second. For sure.

Joe Malkin:

Yeah, Bobby, I sent it to you before I think it was but even before the pre draft show is that the best signing that the Dallas Cowboys made in the offseason was Dan Quinn, because while he fell out of graces with the Atlanta Falcons, he's gonna do good things for the Cowboys because it's another guy. It's like Vic Fangio, you know, might end up going back to being a DC somewhere. But you know, Dan Quinn is a very good defensive coordinator. So we'll see what the Cowboys can do. So it's a very positive draft. Ray, do you have a comment on a Dallas Cowboys draft

Rayshawn Buchanan:

just for Dan Quinto, I just felt like it would be I would say there's about a 22 three chance that he'll be a great defensive coordinator down. And by the

Dave Clarke:

way, I just do want to say what I was impressed by with the Cowboys drafting him is that it was not yet another example of a team and I think there's been with teams. We've already talked about teams where you got to talk about a team to actually drafting the thing that they really needed to draft and it like sometimes, like Bobby said at the start of the show, sometimes you're like, Man, that was a boneheaded decision. I feel like that happens all the time. Yeah. And I really feel like I understand why Bobby thought they were gonna screw up their draft but they drafted defense and they needed to draft defense that was like a no brainer across the entire country. Same thing with the bears. You know, they drafted what they needed and I still thought that they were gonna screw it up. So yeah, I thought it was a good draft just from that perspective. Like not don't screw it up. It's like don't screw it up draft picking, you know.

Rob Kelly:

So what before last time last time sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Last time for you got that. That is definitely what I expected out of Boise K, right is for them to screw this up. But for the first time ever, the Cowboys actually did exactly what we wanted them to do. We've been talking defense for years and years and years, and they kept giving us offense offensive line. wide receivers, just churn it out is off and that's why we ended up giving up 65 points a game. They finally did it. They finally did it.

Joe Malkin:

We got trapped Shawn Lee. They did Dr. Leighton Vander Esch and they did draft upon bigs brother, great.

Rob Kelly:

The only good defensive players they've drafted are ones with crazy injury history. jaylon Smith, Leighton Vander ash.

Joe Malkin:

Alright. And that'll do it for the Dallas Cowboy hour here on the Actually you know what, I think that I think the bears Allah was longer.

Unknown:

Bears is definitely longer. Yeah.

Joe Malkin:

Well, the Cowboys didn't draft Justin fields, right. So on to the New England Patriots who drafted a quarterback in the first round for the first time since 1993. Very exciting, which was pre Kraft if you can believe that. So the New England Patriots make eight selections in the draft, they ended up trading into the third round, but they originally only had six coming into this year. And then they made some trades. And we don't know why they only had 60 days, they did something involving some quarterback. Anyway, so the New England Patriots and the fifth with the 15th. overall pick. Take Alabama quarterback Mac Jones. Mike, I'm gonna start with you because we talked about this a lot leading into this and I think as you watched him drop by you got angrier and angrier and angrier that the 40 Niners didn't take him at three. And I don't know if you and I have both talked ourselves into Mac Jones yet. I think I'm a little bit closer than you are as we

Michael Marcangelo:

you loved it. Oh, yeah. I

Joe Malkin:

mean, well, I didn't love it immediately. But I do now you guys

Dave Clarke:

are gonna get there. I've seen you talk yourselves into a lot worse.

Rob Kelly:

That's not wrong. Alright,

Joe Malkin:

so anyway, so Mac Jones, Mike, you threw in a bunch of numbers here regarding Mac Jones. It was very difficult for Mac Jones to be bad at Alabama. We just talked about that. Right. Right. Dave and Ray, you and I have talked about sec quarterbacks how they stink when they get to the NFL. So Mike, read us through Mac Jones and what he did with two of the best wide receivers in college football.

Michael Marcangelo:

Yeah, so this is why I'm irritated by this pick. Right? So he had a great year last year. No doubt about it. Any year where he were Alabama only played sec opponents. I get that too, but also in a year, where sec defenders opted out that he was not playing against the best anymore. Right. So 4500 passing yards, 41 touchdowns for pigs, I get it. I'm pretty certain that every single one of us could account for 28 to 35 touchdowns with devante Smith and walk and waddle to throw two. But I'm still not sold on this man. I think that I think Bill wanted him the entire time. He was never gonna move for him. And Grady, he got his guy. But if he starts this year, at any point in time, it's because things are going really bad. It's because the quarterback room that now has Jared said and Cam Newton in it are that bad. So it's almost if we want Matt Jones to do well in the NFL, I think he should sit for a year. I think he's probably Yeah, I've heard that he's one of the most pro ready quarterbacks in the draft. Great. He's not throwing to Smith and waddle he'll be thrown to Well, I guess hunter Henry and and Johnny Smith are pretty good. I'll give them that. But I don't love this pic. I've never been so mad at bill doing what I've been asking him to do for the last five years like I I begged him to take your quarterback in the first round the last three months. And he did I'm still pissed off

Joe Malkin:

but you knew three of them were going to be gone. And it's interesting. It's I'm glad you brought up the point where the people have said that he's the most pro ready quarterback on a certain radio program on a certain radio station this afternoon current Texas University of Texas head coach and for the last two years, the Alabama offensive coordinator, Steve Sarkeesian was on the radio and said those exact words that he's ready to go and gave examples as to why he's ready to go that went beyond his 2020 season which was basically sitting behind the guys that he did for three years and studying and putting in the time and seeing those guys get ready. And then he steps in. You know we sit here and we talk about what people think when Tom Brady was taken and he had this dopey body and they they talk about that stuff but the here's the difference. 184 picks, so This is where I'm with Mike

Michael Marcangelo:

tierpoint not to cut you off but like what you said I can't I cannot let it pass. Like he sat behind and he learned from the tube, his two predecessors. Jalen hertz and two, I'm sorry, but we just spent half hour of the show talking about how Jalen hertz is not the it's not the guy. Now we want our guys studying behind him. I disagree with that, though.

Rob Kelly:

I think he is.

Michael Marcangelo:

This was this. I guess it was the best pick they could have made. I'm just it's unfortunate that they did not do that what they should have done and move up four picks for the guy.

Joe Malkin:

Would you have taken would you have liked to see them move back and take Kyle Trask over Mac Jones.

Michael Marcangelo:

Yeah, yes, yes.

Joe Malkin:

So you want the guy that was throwing to Kyle Pitts in the sec. East

Michael Marcangelo:

throwing to Jonnu Smith and Hunter Henry. Yes. Yeah. All day. Twice on Sunday

Rob Kelly:

Can I just gave that the outsider's perspective of why I think it was a great pack. Mike.

Joe Malkin:

You know, you don't need to come into this all shy. We're not going to attach. Oh,

Unknown:

no, I

Rob Kelly:

know. I know. I'm just well, like yeah, that's never happened. So

Unknown:

I still might

Rob Kelly:

Yeah, so it's so this he fits Brady systems the most that's what's not racist are not Brady system. He fits the Brady pro tip type the most out of everyone, I promise. I also think I don't know if someone said earlier, though. Bill was the one dropping these Mac Jones things because I think that's the guy he wanted. From day one. He looked at Mac Jones was like, that's the guy. Bring me him. The footwork is impeccable man. I wasn't doing ever he was a tennis player growing up. Same thing with Drew Brees. Like it's all about their footwork. That's why he in the pocket looks a lot like Brady like he has that pocket presence. Also, it's such a belcheck move to be able to get this guy everyone wants them to trade up trade up, trade up trade up trade to trade up. They'll just be like, bro, I'm not trading up. Do you see what's happening? It's like not calling the timeout. One yard line against the Seahawks. Everyone's like timeout timeout he's like wait a second Wait a sec. Wait a second. I kind of feel like something fucked up it's about to happen. And it happened and you guys ended up getting your guy for nothing. You know what the what the bears did to give up a first round pick and a fourth round pick and they got their guy the Patriots got their guy for nothing. They

Joe Malkin:

got the rest of their picks they got it for a seven or nine disappointing season

Michael Marcangelo:

the my problems with the talent evaluation right if that was their guy all along and they just waited for him short but again like kudos to him for actually doing what I was surprised I didn't think he was gonna do I did not expect Lj to draft a quarterback in the first round. I think you know right here you're ready to go. But I was talking to you for all weekend like he's trying out this he's trading off for two twos or something. And then he did it. He did what I did not think he would do so kudos to him.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, I mean, we listened we all were shocked like everyone says they thought he was drafting a quarterback like you're lying. Like just tell us I like you you're an absolute liar. All kept like that. That is bull. You did not think he was gonna drop the quarterback. Now if he did I mean how he might have missed out on a job the same Ellen's are out of Texas 15 Yeah, like that. That would have been even better since I move you know, which I might have gotten gotten an Uber or do something go right into Foxborough. What the leading the pitchfork? If he did something like that. It'd be ridiculous, but I'm not in love with the Mac Jones pick either. I do think he's gonna be decent in time. But, you know, I was one of those guys for a long time. Dave like, I felt like if you went to a certain school and he was strictly, you know, historically at that position just wasn't good. Like, I just felt like the college system was great for that team. I think Oregon too, you know, Mariota some other guys can that's why I think Harvard was going to be good but we saw Herbert come out here last year and dominated so I'm learning that you have to draft the you have to draft the talent not the score today went to yet yeah, so you have to go to that. So listen, competition or not Mike 40 touchdowns to four picks. I mean, damn, what's that? That's that's a hell of a statline

Unknown:

Top 10 wide receivers though.

Joe Malkin:

Yeah, but he's still he's still playing in the sec so even their backups

Rayshawn Buchanan:

and also to throw 470 7% of his passes when we saw a guy that was throwing stuff into the dirt Listen, that's already an upgrade already.

Dave Clarke:

I agree. I agree cuz I was gonna say that I don't think you guys could have possibly gotten any worse like and also he's gonna start to like do all this bullshit about like oh no

Rayshawn Buchanan:

run away not right away. When he shut what was what should happen what will happen sooner for things like was it was said he started sure. But he won't like camp cam.

Dave Clarke:

Bill em did nothing.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Cam is the latest Osho cinco bill for some reason loves him that this is not it's not Yeah,

Joe Malkin:

no Joe cinco got booted out of here and we can your to cam Cam Newton cam works really hard. Cam Newton is making backup money for a reason. He made backup money last year in a COVID a year and he's making backup money this year making six to $14 million because it's all incentive laden because the Gary anteed contract for the 15th overall pick is higher than what Cameron is making and for Bill Belichick to sit more money on the bench. I mean, let's not talk about Malcom Butler in the Super Bowl because that's one game, but there's no way that Bill Belichick sits the money on the bench. Mac Jones starts week one.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I mean, listen, I want you to be right like I want you guys to break said he started but I just I don't see. To me. I don't see a scenario where that would have happened unless cam something happens to cam in a preseason. I just I don't foresee that. I think that he's gonna ride with the veteran. And then you know if can play go south, which is definitely something that can happen. We'll see Matt Jones come in. I just hope it's already.

Unknown:

Already. Yes. No.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I mean, a kendo, honestly again. I mean, yeah, I mean, Mike brought it up to some tasks was arguing a few episodes back, he still had 20 total touchdowns, which I mean, to me, it's like, whatever, but it's just like, that still was the case. I thought on the

Joe Malkin:

ground because you couldn't throw the ball.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Right. Exactly. So it's just like, you know, you had a six 550 pound you know, fullback, so to speak, but, you know, I mean, listen, you added more weapons on the outside, you got guys his best years was with Greg Olson being number one guy he had, he essentially has to rig Olsen's in there. So you could see a bit of a resurgence and I think that's what they may be betting on but my god I'm praying that's what the case is. But if not fine, you get a guy that could complete his passes and just didn't conduct down the field and hey, so so bit he's gonna get the he's gonna he's not gonna say the sermon guy open meaning Matt Jones, but you can rest assure is gonna be on the button.

Rob Kelly:

I don't mean to generalize to say, you guys only Boston patriots fans. It's just it's crazy to me, that it's funny actually not crazy, because I would have done it too. If I guess I was a Patriots fan. You guys bag for this quarterback to be taken. And for years, I've been hearing that, you know, we can't draft bill never does anything. He never does anything smart. He never get to the quarterback. He never does it. And then he finally takes him.

Michael Marcangelo:

Okay, well, a couple things there. He drafted a quarterback from his guy. Right. So he didn't move outside of his comfort zone. That's number one. And number two, what, again, what you're talking about with Mac Jones. He had again, one great year one, not three, not two, one. And it was in a doubt, I guess a down year for the SEC. I just think we're all just missing the genius of what he did. Right? We're missing the point. Yet we all thought we all talked about that. If bill went went south, you know, this year, if it was not good that his job would be at stake. We all talked about that. That's not the case anymore. He can now lose with cam because he has his backup in place.

Joe Malkin:

Do you think that this pick and this was something that I was thinking of when the Ernie Adams news came out after the draft that he's done after the 2021 season? he's retiring from the position that we don't know what that he holds they there's been talk that there's more involvement in the room with other personnel whether it's Dave Ziegler, whether it's Josh McDaniels Steve Belichick they drafted one guy who the only person on the Patriots coaching staff and I can't remember which guy It is the only person on the Patriots coaching staff they talk to you with Steve Belichick, which I think is a big problem. But Mike, my question on Mac Jones is do you think that when they made it sound like Belichick wasn't necessarily sold on taking Jones that this is a McDaniels pick more than it is a Bella check pick. Obviously Belichick makes the final call that the

Michael Marcangelo:

bill pack because it's the saving guy. That's it like if Matt Jones had the year that he had at BYU or at Mizzou, right, he's not drafting him, but because he has saved in his ear and he trust Nick Saban.

Joe Malkin:

I will take him I don't know why you would trust a failed NFL head coach but I'm agreeing with you on that. So

Rob Kelly:

Alabama's just an absolute wagon.

Dave Clarke:

Alright, if he chose Nick Saban about football, my coach

Rob Kelly:

Mike McCarthy was like you know what, Nick Saban is my best friend. And I want any guy that he's coached because listen, he coaches ballers there's a reason there was 10 picks in the first two rounds. So if you want to go get all Nick Saban's guys, go get him. He knows winners, man. Saban double check their Bowl champions.

Dave Clarke:

I just I would like to just say, you know, on the Patriots, I think Bobby's very sadly and pointed at the beginning. got lost in the fold of your guys's Falcons fan psychosis, which I also have it so it's fine. But I think the system matchup like the way he fits in your head already in the Patriot system. It's like you saw that system work game one last season with Cam Newton in there when Cam Newton wasn't playing like he was dragging around a fucking sack of potatoes. And I think when you get a guy who can accomplish the end, I think their thinking is if we have a guy that can accomplish what we're trying to accomplish will look good. But we didn't have that last season and I think that's why Cam Newton fit is sitting in game one of the a, you know, a lot can happen from from now until then, you know, like preseason like injuries A lot can happen. But I think that Cam Newton does not start the season we'll see relatively quickly. But I think it's because, you know, if they believed in cam they wouldn't gotten this guy and I think it's they saw the potential for him to for the system to work with a guy who fits the system and this dude fits the system

Unknown:

so perfectly

Rob Kelly:

right? It's just the upside doesn't have to be that high for you guys to be successful with right?

Dave Clarke:

That's what I mean. Yeah, he doesn't need to be Justin fields. That's why they got him instead.

Rob Kelly:

Right, dude, it's so you think back? I

Dave Clarke:

don't know if I believe that. That's true. I just know that bill. But

Rob Kelly:

think about the system. They're about to implement that two tight ends set. Brady wasn't Brady when they had that too tight on set, and they were very successful with it. He was growing 20 touchdowns and 12 picks. You know what I mean? Like, that's a system that you can have a game manager and still succeed. I don't know if it'd be the same in today's NFL if it was then. So Bobby,

Joe Malkin:

are you saying and Mac Jones is greater than or equal to Tom Brady?

Dave Clarke:

I think he's saying that you didn't need Tom Brady's at all.

Joe Malkin:

I was really hoping you say yes,

Rob Kelly:

he's more of. He's like, you know, when you don't have that last puzzle piece, but you find one that kind of fits the same. So you can fit it in there. And it's like, well, alright, it's done. No.

Unknown:

That's called fucking up the puzzle. What classes were you in?

Dave Clarke:

He's like, you know, the way you just use the scissors and you cut pieces. So it fits. The picture doesn't have to look at the picture.

Rob Kelly:

I just feel like he's the best comp for Brady, that I've seen in a system are coming out of college in a while

Dave Clarke:

to Bob. And so Bobby's point to Bobby's point, I just want to say this, because I do believe that this is true. I don't necessarily think I really I don't necessarily think that. The like the system. I think that Bill Belichick believes this is true. I don't know if I believe that it's true. And I think that Bill Belichick basically thinks that he didn't need Tom Brady, for the amount of success that he had. And I think he thinks that his system was more important than Tom and I think he still thinks that even though Tom Brady went and won a Super Bowl in Tampa Bay, he had a lot of weapons bill was left with like, not a lot because the Patriots don't lose enough to have a lot of high draft picks, you know, so he had to rebuild. So he went out and spend money and he This is the value that he puts to the quarterback position that you just have to accept that and as the highest value he was ever going to put at the quarterback position. Yes, he had Tom Brady he doesn't believe I don't think in his heart of hearts at Tom Brady is responsible for his success. I think he believes he's responsible for his success. And I think that this is the highest you could have possibly hoped for as far as value he was going to put on that position. So you should be happy

Rayshawn Buchanan:

that's fair. And I like that I think it's been very easy for media pundits and you know, obviously even us alike to make the comparisons that Brady because of obviously is just how we look physically. I honestly think that this is really Jimmy g he got Jimmy j did something wrong second time around. He said I got a younger Jimmy g is the same number number 10. He's someone else loves it. He's gonna win me some days, but he won't lose it. And that's what he's going to be. So Jimmy g we saw in his offense when he started in 2016. And they went on that and went on that little run before before Brady had come back out of suspension. I think he's Jimmy j he's someone that's got you know,

Dave Clarke:

that's good. Are you guys spent so much time talking about how you been?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I'm saying so I think he would have written they would have brought back Jimmy g had Jimmy g one been healthier but also to been at the bit at the money that they want it right now. You got controlling Mike Jones for the next four or five years. You don't have the pants at his age 2728 season, which is what Bill wants to do. He wants to have that control of a player. So to me it's really Jimmy j is not as not Tom that when you compare him to Jimmy J.

Joe Malkin:

So so the New England Patriots then trade up with Cincinnati to get Christian bar more defensive tackle out of Alabama so another Saban guy, then they go out and get a defensive end Ronnie Perkins at 96 compensatory pick out Oklahoma. This one was interesting at 120 in the fourth round remonter Stevenson out of Oklahoma, but as we found out when the day that we're recording this may 3 that the Patriots did not pick up the option on Sony Michelle so they needed another mediocre running back so they went and got remonter Oh, whoa.

Unknown:

Whoa,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

yeah. First

Rob Kelly:

mister 3.4

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I to me, I mean sorry, says Joe made that comment out of response he was it looks like another ligero blunt Honestly,

Rob Kelly:

I'm sorry. So so you're offended con Stevenson mediocre?

Unknown:

No, Michelle. Yeah.

Joe Malkin:

Hey, just like Mike with Mac Jones, prove it.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I mean, watch the tape. You

Joe Malkin:

saw I can I can watch the tape, but I can watch the tape of Mac Jones in Alabama. And Mike's not gonna believe that either. So show me

Rayshawn Buchanan:

that. That's That's because you might want to do more than just the field

Joe Malkin:

fields and train Lance over Mac Jones too, but I mean, I didn't know who remonter Stevenson was until Well, I

Rayshawn Buchanan:

mean, I did because he dominated us in the Cotton Bowl. So I tell I'm like I I do see that now. I just don't remember his name. But I do remember him running over and giving me nightmares or shortly after. So I do remember that he catches Well, he runs out when he's six feet. And he's 240. That's it.

Joe Malkin:

That is a patriots running back. Yeah.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

So if he's ligera blood didn't Hey, that's ballgame, baby like we got us one. So I was more excited about the third and fourth round than I was with the first two picks like yeah, Ronnie Perkins, Perkins and Perkins, as Steven said, like, I say, he doesn't go too often. It's Oklahoma. But those two guys, I said, Perkins gets around the edge really well. And I said, He's six, three about 250. You know, maybe that's another Jamie Collins type guy. Like I'm here for it, honestly.

Rob Kelly:

And farmers are Moore's bar Moore's a beast up. Yeah. More or less.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Green type guy. Yep. Absolutely.

Michael Marcangelo:

Real quick, Joe, just wanna point out that in his two years, stephensen 165 attempts for almost 1200 yards, average seven yards a carry? Yep. And 13 touchdowns. I mean, that's what you need. You need that's what you share. Let's

Rayshawn Buchanan:

see anything is healthy. That's the key.

Joe Malkin:

They got Damien Harris. James White is back. remonter Stevenson. So hopefully it works out for Mac Jones.

Dave Clarke:

Honestly, I think, personally, I know you guys have a bad taste in your mouth from the season last season. But I and I know you're used to Belichick shagging. I know, especially you might hate him as a GM. But I know you're used to him having kind of mediocre drafts and mediocre offseasons in general. But I think it's a really good offseason. Like I really had an awesome season. It's like, you know,

Joe Malkin:

I've done everything we've they've done everything that we've wanted them to do, right, like even drafting Mac Jones, they've done everything we've wanted them to do, at least for the last two years with Brady have having been on the way out the door and now out the door. And then with everything that they did throughout Brady's tenure, this is still very different than what they have ever, they this never would have happened in the Brady tenure. Even if you went back and did his entire career in New England over again, and they had a chance to do it differently. Nothing would have gone differently, and they would have still gone the same way. And probably still won six Super Bowls. But now we need to restart that right. And same thing with the bears. And same thing with the Cowboys cowboys need to revamp that defense. The Bears need to revamp their entire team. The Patriots, not the entire team. But you know what I mean? Dave when I say that they have weak spots on both sides of the ball and the head coach needs to figure it out, as you so eloquently pointed out. So hopefully all of them can do this. So and as we're in here, I guess it's not breaking news, but Bobby, I guess Layton Vander Esch coming from aeration is gonna get cut which, okay, bring him to New England. I really liked him.

Rob Kelly:

I liked I liked him too. But that neck man, he's a linebacker you can't have. That's why like I loved Vander JPAC, when that happened. I love the Jalen Pac. That's why I like Micah better than those two, because both those guys are just such big risks. And lvp has very bad neck problems. He's one hit away from being out of the league. So I'm not. I'm not surprised by that at all.

Joe Malkin:

So we've gone through the top 10 picks in the draft. We've dabbled past that we've looked at the bears. We've looked at the cowboys and the Patriots. So for those of you that are new england, Chicago and Dallas fans, we've given you everything you want to hear heading into the summer and mini camp and, and getting into the preseason because as we come into May, we really are only three months away from preseason football to the week, pretty much so you know, while there's baseball, basketball and hockey going on, I think with the NFL Draft, the NFL does a hell of a job at marketing themselves, and putting themselves in a right in the right place to be loved and hated so that people continue to watch so that is our review of the 2021 NFL Draft. I think we can put the preview down in the show notes below along with the Anthony Trish interview is down in the show notes below so that you guys can hear where we were before the draft and compare notes for the Bears fan the bears contingency in Los Angeles for DK sizzle. The Dallas contingency in upstate New York with Bob Kelly, and the Patriots contingency ratio on became Mike Mark Angelo our EP Craig D'Alessandro. I am your host Joe Malkin. Thank you for listening. We'll talk to you next time on missing the point.