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Jan. 15, 2022

2022 NFL Playoff Preview, Black Monday in the NFL (Celebrating 100 Episodes of MTP)

2022 NFL Playoff Preview, Black Monday in the NFL (Celebrating 100 Episodes of MTP)

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As we celebrate over 100 shows of MTP, we go back and revisit how the show came to be, some of our favorite memories so far, some of our favorite interviews, and how our lives have changed since we started the show.

We discuss the 2022 NFL Playoffs as they set to start this weekend and break down the best matchups, from the Buffalo Bills/New England Patriots, Park 3, The LA Rams take on the Arizona Cardinals, The Tampa Bay Buccaneers take on the Philadelphia Eagles, The Las Vegas Raiders vs the Cincinnati Bengals, The San Fransisco 49ers taking on the Dallas Cowboys, The Pittsburgh Steelers facing an uphill battle vs the Kansas City Chiefs, while the Tennesse Titans and Green Bay Packers wait to see who they face next week.

Next, we discuss all the Head Coaches that were fired on NFL's Black Monday, Matt Nagy, Brian Flores, Joe Judge, Mike Zimmer, Vic Fangio, amongst others now on the unemployment line.

Which Coaches deserved to get fired, who didn't, and who might take their slots?

Finally, we touch on the CFB Championship which saw the Underdog Georgia Bulldogs defeat the #1 Ranked Alabama Crimson Tide.
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Hosts: Joe Malkin, Mike Marcangelo, Dave Clarke, Rayshawn Buchannan, Bob Kelly
Producer: Craig D'Alessandro
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Transcript
Joe:

Welcome into missing the point. I am Joe Malkin, joining you with the whole crew, something we haven't done in a long time, but it's for a special occasion, out on the left coast. And we have, uh, DK sizzle, Dave Clark, up in, uh, New Hampshire, but he's not really in New Hampshire, but anything north of Boston was just considered New Hampshire to people from down here. it was Mike mark, Angelo, uh, Rayshawn Buchanan in the city, uh, and way out west in, in New York is the real BK Bob Kelly, and like two miles down the road from me is Craig D'Alessandro. I never know why we don't just do these in the same place, but I am Joe Malkin. This is the 100th episode of MTP missing the point, formerly known as SMS w and, uh, guys welcome into our, our hundredth episode, which is not officially our hundredth episode,

Dave:

going to say I didn't, I didn't concocting elaborate ruse on the listeners know, including the internet. I was like, we've blown past a hundred episodes,

Joe:

have one past a hundred episodes. Unfortunately, uh, we hit a hundred episodes over the holidays and we couldn't all get together until, uh, today. Uh, so Mike could get together last week, but we just, we decided that wasn't important enough.

Bob:

Is there anything more on brand for a show called, missing the point, then they have their a hundred and third episode would be their hundredth episode. just think that that's perfect, you know,

Joe:

Bobby it's like, it's like when stores have grand openings, but they've been open for six months. It's just,

Bob:

opening

Joe:

yeah, it's just that, that was just our soft

Dave:

That was going to be the name of my band in college, but, uh, we

Joe:

stop. Soft openings

Dave:

It's just going to be the title of my memoirs.

Joe:

TK in the soft opening.

Dave:

Welcome everyone.

Bob:

That was a hell of a soft opening for us. Huh?

Joe:

We've, we've come a long way where we're doing our normal antics, uh, to call everybody out. Bobby's smoking, Dave's smoking Mike and I are drinking res to our antics and Craig's drinking diet soda of some sort. So not much has changed over a hundred episodes. Not much has changed in 15 years, really because that's really how long we've all known each other. And now to be doing a hundred episodes of the podcast, you know, when we got back together for this, uh, in July of in the midst of a pandemic, and we had nothing better to do, I don't think any of us thought we were going to do that at that point. And I don't think any of us, well, I think we knew, we thought we could get to a hundred episodes, but, uh, uh, I don't, I don't know if we expected it to be in such grandiose fashion with over 20,000 downloads of our, our episodes. Um, and we've talked to some amazing people in the sports world, uh, including, you know, uh, Dan Shaughnessy, uh, Jan bull, Karen Gregan, who has basically adopted Mike, um, and, and chin, uh, and, and so many training has Nerrick, who was one of my favorites. Um, and then, you know, um, Hillary rose, who has been on with us multiple times, the MMA fighter from, from our neck of the woods.

Dave:

She's fine. She's fine. Soon. She's uh, she's I

Joe:

is.

Dave:

talked to her. She's going to come back on the show this month. It's going to be fun.

Joe:

So there's a preview of something to look forward to in late January, early February. But, um, yeah guys, I mean, we're, we're a hundred episodes, 103, so we'll get okay. Deep breath and three episodes into this thing. And, um, guys just real quick to kind of look back on it. we basically talk every day in our, in our discord, uh, and we do this show once a week and we haven't seen each other all in a long time, but, uh, Ray, we're a hundred episodes into this thing. And, um, I know you have a couple of projects going on and stuff. So I think, I think you're the one to go to here. What, what does it mean to be this deep into it to you?

Ray:

Oh, I mean, it's, it's, it's awesome, man. Um, you know, I, I came back to Boston after seven years being down in Miami and you know, obviously I came right back before the pandemic and disability didn't know, uh, what was going to be next to me, honestly. So, I think, you know, I think Bobby made a post or someone that's tagged us and something that happened like maybe eight or nine years ago at the time. And you know, we always have statuses throughout the years that we tag each other, like, oh, I remember this. And know, only if we had a show and then all of a sudden yeah, let's just do it for you in the show. And then, know, people tuned in for that one in June of 2020, you know, it was like, oh, let's have another one in July and more people listen. I was like, oh, I'm like, oh shit. Like, people actually want to hear something that we have to say. then, you know, uh, it said it's a craze credit. It was like, Greg was like, yo, if y'all want to do this shit, but we gotta, we gotta be all in and to a man. And we said, yeah, let's, let's do it. And, um, you know, I say our dedication, our attention to detail has been phenomenal. so whether it's been you as you, as a host, Joe, Mike is a whole DK is a host, hell all of us are hosted as, at some point on is honestly if we go by that logic. But, um, it's been awesome to be a part of this. regardless of all the stuff that I do like this, this has been started with, with everyone here. And, you know, we made history on a radio with Dean and now we're making history now here. So, uh, not to be too long winded, but I said it has been an awesome experience and I can't wait to see the next hundred episodes bring.

Joe:

Yeah, those kids, a Dean now, you know, they may have that partnership with the craft group and the Patriots and the revolution, but we trailblazed that and they got nothing on us so we can suck it. Bobby, you've been through a lot in the last a hundred episodes, got a baby. And, uh, you know, your Cowboys are in the playoffs. I mean, within two months of each other, you've had a baby and the Cowboys are in the playoffs. They look like they can actually want to play off games. What is that? A hundred episodes meant to you?

Bob:

um, and it's been, it's been magical. It'd be here with you guys. Uh, like Ray said, when we put up that Facebook post, um, you know, during the pandemic, I, I, I never thought it would turn into this. definitely thought it would just kind of be like a one-off, you know, get together. We'll talk about sports record. It it'll be fun. It'll be good. Uh, Henry har, almost years later now, still going, going strong and it's, it's been amazing, man. I'm just, I'm just so happy that it's been so successful. happy I made that Facebook post, man. It, it, it still to this day, love it as it comes up on my Facebook, every it September, August when we did it. Uh, I love it every single time.

Joe:

And then we started talking and we got back together and it was, you know, a beat, basically, kind of got Ray on the bandwagon. And then of course, Mike and I were both like, well, it's a chance to talk about sports and hear ourselves. So we're in. And then we said, well, Craig, you got to jump in. And he, of course did. And he jumped in more than any of us. Could I never, yeah. I was going to say, well, we'll get to that. Uh, and then Bobby came back to us and said all, if we're going to get the band back together, got to get Dave involved. So Dave, Dave, that's how Dave got involved and we were all like, hell yeah, let's get Dave back

Bob:

It was supposed to be a surprise member. I was like, oh, it's a surprise. And then he came, it was like, fuck you. Fuck your surprise. Actually.

Joe:

Yeah, wait. Every, every one of us knew it was Dave. It couldn't have been anybody else. Cause it wasn't Dylan. So Dave, what.

Ray:

I knew, I knew that saw was coming

Joe:

The inside jokes are strong with this one. So those that are loyal to us that have listened to us since the 88 days, uh, Dave, Dave, Dave, you've been through a lot in the last year or two. Um, you're you, you got engaged. Uh, you bought a house, uh, and you have now been on a hundred episodes of this podcast with us. How does that make you feel?

Dave:

Fuck around and get a triple double man. You know, it's just how I do. Uh, yeah, it's cool. I mean, it's cool that we did this. I think, uh, I think it was like, did you guys watch that Beatles documentary? Whereas just like eight hours of them, like playing chords and then all of a sudden, like fucking let it be would just like rip out of one of their pianos. And it was like watching and I was like, yeah, this is cool. Cause like, know we're not the Beatles mainly because there's six of us, not four, but

Joe:

And hopefully one of us doesn't get shot.

Dave:

yeah. That is what, um, that is what like a collaborative process is like. And I think, I think it's just been cool to kind of go through the ups and downs of with like six people in very different phases of their life. Um, and sort of like working through everyone's personalities and like kind of figuring out how to work with each other and like make the best product we possibly can. And I think. If anyone is ever going to do something like that, and they're, they're on the fence. I think you should do it because for better, for worse, it like will improve your communication skills. It'll improve your interpersonal skills. like, even though we all now like basically hate each other, we are making it work. it's, it's a good way to like release some tension as well. If you have like an actual relationship at home, you can be in an old, married couple with five dudes you went to college with instead. And, uh, it, it just sort of works out. You know, it's, it's become sort of as thing in my life that I do. Um, I like to do all you guys. This thing is me just doing all you guys. Um, what Mike, what is there sense? There's some sort of issue with what I just said,

Joe:

Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of old married dudes, uh, Mike, mark, Angelo, uh, thanks. Uh, really good at the transitions today. Uh, I've

Dave:

it's great. When you call it out, it makes it way better. Oh, no. Keep doing that. It makes it wig. It makes it way better.

Bob:

In the back road, transitions on point.

Joe:

It's usually what I have to do with my jokes too, especially around my house and my wife stops laughing at him. So, Mike, how are ya? How's it going? A hundred episodes. Um, you know, been a lot of, uh, ups and downs and here we are.

Mike:

Yeah. I mean, I think if you just think about it, I, I was, I didn't really think it too much philosophically about this until, uh, Ray, uh, Bobby and DK spoke about it, but we were such a big part of each other's lives, like in, in the formative years in college. Right. Like we all kind of grew together then to take that ten-year pause and come back and still be able to, I think deliver a really good product weekly weekend and week out, despite who's, you know, who's on here. think that's awesome. And now we're all in this, as you mentioned, like are the different phases of our lives. So that's, that's the, the heartfelt, uh, you know, opinion, honestly, I'm surprised he made it because none of us really liked each other all still, and we're still here single day. We check our group chat to see who can piss off who the most. And I think, I think that makes for really good content. I know that there have been some, some touch and go scenarios, yeah, whether it's, it's, uh, you know, just such all different personalities with um, everything, and we all lose everything in translation and the text. And it's, I actually, now, now. Where I laugh at every single fight that we have via or chat, because I know that the other person is getting really mad B what I've been getting really mad. I'm like that son of a bitch still knows how to do it. um, I guess I'm really shocked that we made it, and I'm glad that we did. We're going to have a lot. We're gonna, we're gonna have a lot of fun, uh, you know, coming up.

Bob:

why you say that though, because that really is where it is. Right. We, we really have morphed into a fucking married old couple like, no matter how many fights we have, no matter how many times you go at each other's fucking throats, literally come in for the kale and be like, go fuck. And then 10 minutes later, it's fine. You know what I mean? So like, we've actually reached that point where like, we can get any huge brawl and 20 minutes later we can pass each other in the hallway and be like, babe,

Craig:

Um,

Joe:

But that's how dudes work, right?

Ray:

The virtual hallway. Yes.

Joe:

we throw, we throw a haymaker, we catch the chin and more fun. So Craig it's usually Dave, that's pissing everybody off two-part question. Who, in your humble opinion, pisses everybody off the most. And uh, what have you thought about 100 episodes of literally doing everything

Craig:

the answer to the first question is Dave, because he knows what buttons to press. He knows how to do it very, very well.

Dave:

I like pressing you guys buttons,

Joe:

in

Dave:

you got some sexy buttons. All you.

Craig:

I'm very happy, but we've all accomplished. We've talked to some very, um, important peoples and very fast famous people in our realm of, um,

Dave:

That's

Craig:

expertise.

Dave:

you, Craig, but it's your section. You should just talk about you. Not me.

Craig:

I don't like talking about me. That's why I don't talk on this show. I just listen to you guys talk,

Joe:

Yeah.

Craig:

know, listen to you guys for, you know, I've done all of these now I look forward to a hundred more.

Joe:

Our first guest really was Dave and he just never left. Uh, so you, you know, and, and I, I get,

Dave:

you count your lucky stars every day.

Joe:

I think I speak for, for all five of us. Uh, Craig, when I say we literally could not do any of this without you.

Dave:

We wouldn't more or less couldn't we just wouldn't.

Joe:

literally wouldn't we, and, and I think you know that too, and you probably curse at us when you're, when you're, uh, editing the episodes at one o'clock in the morning. And you probably enjoy getting that text message from me at one 30 when I've fallen asleep on my couch and mosey up to bed.

Craig:

Did you ever finish predator?

Joe:

uh, no, I didn't finish predator. It was the one with Olivia Munn too. It was the,

Craig:

new one.

Dave:

him was predator. Wow. Little, a little window, a hundred episodes in his relationship.

Joe:

but anyway, so

Craig:

yeah. So I as I do yell at you all at like two o'clock in the morning, I'm like,

Joe:

Yeah. Yeah. Well,

Mike:

get

Dave:

Just for the record Craig's yelled at at zero times a hundred episodes.

Joe:

Well,

Craig:

Oh no, no.

Joe:

is kind of passive when it comes to that. Like I've known him for longer than all you guys have. So, but it, it kind of, uh, it's kind of in a passive way, but I can tell when Craig's mad and I've, I've seen him get pretty upset with us and you know, what, he brushes it off. And because he knows that we're good at what we do and he's good at what he does and it's all for the greater good, but we all bring our, our shit powers together, uh, to, to spew this nonsense for 104 episodes. And it's been a blast and it's been a lot of fun. So that all said, uh, throughout this episode, which is already like 20 minutes long, uh, Craig will what's. 12. All right. I was short. I have no sense of time. Apparently.

Mike:

I told you that too.

Joe:

will be sprinkling in some of our greatest moments from the show, uh, from the first hundred episodes of missing the point, uh, with some of our guests, some of our best rants. Um, and you know, I, I really do wish sometimes we could give you guys a look inside our, um, uh, some of our discord and some of it may get us arrested. Uh, but uh, other, other parts, other parts would be great for you guys to see there's been some epic battles. Uh, and one of, one of my favorites is still me and Bobby going off about Danny Ainge. Uh, and then me, the guy with very little NBA knowledge being completely right. And Bobby being like, what the fuck? Yeah, it is, it is my favorite. No 100%. I think about it all the time when you get fired up in the chat and I'm like, just let it go and think about age, think about age. Uh, so anyway, uh, but for the rest of the show for our talking part of the show, we are going to get into some six man NFL talk, uh, because guys, we are on our way into the playoffs. The playoff seeds are set, the playoff match-ups set. And of course I meant to bring them up before. Bobby came out with his, uh, his play. Power rankings. uh, you know, we can, we can take a look at all of these match-ups, but a couple of interesting scenarios this past weekend, that one that allowed the Pittsburgh Steelers into the playoffs. So to give you the AFC match ups, uh, the Raiders and bangles will, and the Patriots and bills will play on Saturday, excuse me, uh, the Eagles and Buccaneers, the 49ers and Cowboys, the Steelers and chiefs will play on Sunday. And then the Cardinals and Rams will play a Monday night football playoff game, which is I believe the second year that they've done that. those are our 14, uh, teams and guys, I guess, first, I'll start with, uh, I'll start with Mike and say, Mike, are there any surprises in the playoffs you this year in the NFL?

Mike:

I mean, I think the Raiders and the bangles are both a surprise based on how, you know, We didn't happen, uh, with the Raider season, um, much turmoil, and then they were able to pull off, what was it, four wins a row to close up the season to make the playoffs against. And now that now they get to go uh, uh, the tiger king Joe burrow, and Jomar chase who, and after the NFL preseason, we're all thinking that that guy is just, he just has, the drops can catch a single ball and he may have had the best rookie a year for a wide receiver in NFL history. I think that has the, uh, the makings of being a great game. I do expect, you know, uh, the bangles to, to come up. But if you were to tell me, you know, September of 20, 21, that the Bengals will be playing the Raiders in the playoffs. I would've said like, you're out, you are out of your mind and both teams figured it out. Um, so that's, that's my biggest surprise.

Joe:

So, Rayshawn our new England Patriots take on the Buffalo bills on Saturday night. Sorry. I was, I, my thought process was over here

Mike:

I watched you, like, I literally watched you stop listening to me by the way.

Joe:

oh, no, I didn't, I didn't stop listening to you. I heard everything you said. And I, I, I brought a shut up Bobby brought it all. Uh, but

Bob:

Oh, wait before you move up before you, before we move on to the.

Joe:

Oh, now you want to come

Bob:

Yeah, I do. Yeah, well that wasn't good to, I like

Joe:

ahead.

Bob:

good. But, um, I, I got my biggest surprise shocker, is the goddamn Pittsburgh Steelers man, that team year,

Ray:

Um,

Bob:

they, they reminded me a lot of Tim Tebow's Broncos this year. All right. That's, that's the kind of football you got out of them where it was just three quarters just garbage football where nothing would happen. And then somehow Ben Roethlisberger, after looking like he doesn't belong on a football field anymore, right. Ben Roethlisberger belongs on a couch better yet. He belongs in a doctor's chair or a DK would say maybe in a jail cell. Yeah. Um, he doesn't belong there anymore, but yet, somehow every week he still found a way to do it. And the way they got into was just so unreal Staley to call that timeout and the Raiders to kicked a few goals specifically because he called the timeout. Allegedly. It just it's so unreal and so that they gotta be the choice, man.

Joe:

for everyone out there listening, if you don't know, I mean, you probably do know if you're even listening to the show. You, you know what we're talking about in the NFL, on Sunday afternoon, if the Jaguars beat the Colts and then the and chargers tied, the Raiders and chargers would have gotten into the playoffs. The Jaguars did their job, beat the Ravens to not the Ravens out. And then the chargers, Brandon Staley, as Bobby just mentioned, they, what did they have? 15 seconds left and overtime. And he called a time out, which allowed the Raiders to kick a field goal that he made. He essentially knocked himself of the playoffs. And this was something we talked about. Pre show, but, and I think we can come back to it in our next segment. When we talk about NFL coach firings, excuse me, I I'm I'm with Bobby on this. I think the surprise of the playoffs is the Steelers got dammit, Craig and Mikey keep breaking my concentration. I'm sorry. I had to cough at least with COVID. Uh, so the, the surprise for me is the Steelers for the same reasons D DK, who is your surprise in the playoffs?

Dave:

And Bobby stole mine. Um,

Joe:

Ray? Who is your surprise?

Dave:

off. I'll do one.

Bob:

Yeah.

Ray:

Well, I was supposed to be next to anyways, but go, go ahead. You can't

Dave:

I'm not, I'm not driving this fucking train, dude.

Joe:

I

Dave:

sure who is at this point.

Joe:

I'm not sure who is already and we're only 20 minutes in, so.

Ray:

Go ahead, man. Go ahead. You got it

Dave:

Um, no, I mean like, yeah, this dude is a fucking terrible season, so it's like a little crazy that they're in there. Uh, just like double down on that point. Um, far as surprises go, I think the biggest surprise of the entire season was that the worst defense of last season became the best memos, fun defense of this season. When you, uh, you think about the Dallas Cowboys and like, to me, The teams. Yeah. This season was drunk. Like some crazy shit happened. Like nobody you expected to win one Pablo, blah, blah, blah. Like that was the narrative we did all season, but there were a couple of cool through-lines and one was the Cowboys defense. I thought it was really fun. another was like Joe burrow like, kind of like, you know, he always kind of had that attitude, but now he's kind of emerging as like a really likable, uh, starting NFL quarterback like all these, all these kinds of plot lines. And they're now going into these playoffs, um, as well as just like the Benny hill sketch. That was the very last day of the season. Like just was down, down was up. Like the day being like, why are we playing this fucking last week? This is so stupid. And then like, it was just like a comedy of errors across the entire NFL. You're like, how do these guys have jobs? Blahbity blah. Um, but like, yeah, as far as surprises go, like everything was a surprise every week. This season, it was a fun season. Like I think we had a fun regular season overall. And I think a lot of those, like I said, a lot of those things are coming in now to the playoffs. So like keep following, like I have a fucking, I have a few prop bets on the Cincinnati Bengals cause their odds were so good. like in my favor. And uh, I'm really excited to watch them and like, I'm really excited to see what the Cowboys defense is going to do. there's probably going to be an upset in this wild card round. I think there's going to be a weird, like maybe the Steelers just like live past the chiefs somehow. Like the chiefs have had a couple of games where they've looked weird and not quite themselves. I know it's been a little bit, but anything could happen. That's I think the biggest surprise of the playoffs is it's the most unpredictable playoffs ever. you, you, nobody, if anybody tells you, they're sure who's going to win. Uh, they're lying to you. Cause like the best team is like a historically unreliable playoff team, you know? And it's just like, anything could happen here and I'm just excited about it and I'm ready to fucking start. I'm just like counting down the days to start watching it, to be honest with you.

Joe:

The Steelers defense could be, could be sneaky

Dave:

No, no, no. They're going to get absolutely

Joe:

I mean, I, I don't, I don't, I don't know. I don't know if they will. I think they're going to get beat,

Dave:

It might be bad. It might, it might be one of the worst playoff defeats of all times, to be honest with you.

Joe:

well, it could be Rayshawn.

Ray:

Yeah, no, I'm, I'm onto that. Right? So, to me to surprise us all, it's all Pennsylvania. So it's Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, right? mixed Sirianni coming in first year, coach, um, you know, real replaced the guy that got the Superbowl there, Darren Peterson, um, I feel like they still don't know what they want a quarterback, like, you know, they drive hers last year and then, you know, you're bring him in to shoot this year. you know, to me, there's no way to miss. You should have been in the game against Dallas last week. I'm not saying that Hertz would have, would've had them win that game, but it's just like, you're not, you're not good enough to just centrally throw a game away, um, at the end of the year. So I just, I didn't, I didn't understand that. And then, like I say, you, you basically just said, okay, well, we'll just, we'll face Tampa bay. Um, and you might get 40 pieces at like on the road. It's, it's, it's, it's, going to be ugly this weekend for them, but, you know, we'll get into that. But, yeah, that, that was definitely a big surprise, but, um, you know, I know you was going to make a point about the bills, the pictures of Joseph, uh what'd you want to get into with that?

Joe:

Well, just with the, with the Eagles. I think, I think we had Sirianni. Halfway through the season and then he pulled it around and they have enough weapons and they're the they're good enough to build on, but against the Buccaneers, if the Buccaneers come out as strong as they should, there's, there's no way. I think that would be a bigger blow out than the, than the chiefs over the Steelers. I do. If, if, if the Buccaneers come out firing on all cylinders and they're healthy, I mean, they are down a receiver, uh, but looking at the wildcard round on Sunday, Saturday night, the Patriots will travel to the bills for the second time in four weeks. Um, I'm actually gonna change the question and I'm going to change it to who I'm going to direct it at. Like, is this a trap game for the bells?

Mike:

No,

Joe:

This isn't what bill wanted.

Mike:

no, no, no. I don't think so because it's not going to be 85 mile an hour winds and negative 15 degree temperatures. So they're there. They're still going to have to throw the ball and defend the past. I do think it, it doesn't happen very often that a quarterback will come in and destroy you two times in one season bill. So that's encouraging, but based on what we've seen out of the Patriots over the last, you know, five weeks. If they play, like they played in Miami last week, they can't beat anybody. It doesn't matter who we, we could be going against the Raiders. I'd say, well, it depends on who shows up. If we, if we play, like we did an Indy, the Raiders will smoke us. we we've been playing like such ass against teams that we should not be playing like that against. And then we have a surprise, you know, that one miracle game in Buffalo were all, we didn't have to pass it. And we won. I don't think it's game. think it's a scary game. The one thing I'll say I think that the game does favor new England in the sense that everybody's counting them out. Like the pressure isn't on them.

Joe:

There are four and a half point favorites.

Mike:

I don't think that's real though. I honestly, I, I think everyone around the league,

Dave:

Wait, the Patriots are favored.

Bob:

No, no,

Dave:

No way,

Mike:

they're not.

Bob:

it's four and a half of the bills.

Mike:

Yeah.

Dave:

I was going to say,

Bob:

Yeah.

Mike:

is

Joe:

Yeah.

Mike:

it's

Dave:

I was like, I'll take that right now. Actually,

Bob:

Yeah, it was just going to do that.

Mike:

it's, it's almost a pickup. I mean, I mean, it's, it's it's plus or minus three points for the home for the home team. Right. But the, the entirely is, is not counting the Patriots to Wayne. And I think if, if we've learned anything this year with this Patriots team, are much better when they are the hunter and not the hunted because when the lights are shining bright on them every game this year, for the most part, they have crumbled. So I don't think it's a trap game.

Ray:

But that's why I felt a few weeks ago when I been me and Joe did a show after they'd be Buffalo. And, you know, Joe, Joe was laughing at me. I felt like it was a loss. I was like, you got to dominate these do say only if they have a chance to conceit you know, that, that, that was, I couldn't articulate that because I was so mad a few weeks ago when it happened. But you hadn't, you had to prove to them, listen, you can't fuck with us. You had a one year last year, but now it's back. And we were on top, you know, w what? Top two, we're not number two. That, that's what I want to articulate if you wish to go, but I couldn't, but yeah, you wouldn't have 14 to 10 of those was like, oh, okay. Yeah, you want it? And like I said, we talked about it, Mike. Yo w we're going to win up there in Buffalo. They was going to get us in and that's what happened, but they, they, they dominated us. It should have been 49 it's 21. Should we told, you know, it was a few miss players use penalties, whatever they miss, like day, they really dominated us here in, in, uh, in Foxborough. So, now this team has been phenomenal on the road all year. Just about, um, listen, Miami is always a wash because they usually lose down there, especially late in the season. with the exception of a few games of the ditch, one to seven in the last nine, down to in Miami, you know, um, on the road. So I, I get that, but yeah, I mean, I just think it to be, I won't say it necessarily a trap game, but I think that, like I said, there's no way you could throw less than 10 times the thickness you're going to win this game. I'm sorry. Like it's not just going to be Harris as he was as much as I love those three running backs, have to throw the ball at least 25 to 30 times. You have to. and like I said, Trey, White's not out there. know, it was all he's coming back. So that's what I was mad a few weeks ago. You have to go at them, but you're not running, running the ball day, but it's not actually 75. You have to throw the ball to, it has to be a balanced. and I think, and they do that effectively. Then I think they can win, you know, 24 to 21, 1, something like that.

Mike:

The cool thing about this game though, Joe, before you go, is that we're going to know within, within when there's five minutes left in the first quarter, if we're down 14, nothing to games over because the Patriots are front runners this year, they know how to win. They know how to win when they are in front and when they get a lead, because then they, then they can control the tempo. They run the ball. What we've learned is if they're down 14, they'll make it a game at the end, but something will occur that will ensure that they did not win. So I think unlike any other Patriot team, uh, you know, in the last 20 years, obviously, cause you don't have Brady anymore. You have to get out in front fast and you have to keep putting up points. And I, I just don't know how long you're going to be able to control the clock and, and control Josh.

Dave:

I think you will know. I think you will know in the first five minutes that Patriots are going to lose because like Ray, like what Ray was saying, struck a chord with me because he threw 32 times. And then when you guys got shellacked by Buffalo, he threw three, two times, but he's completion percentage was like under 50% and he threw two picks. it's like, it's all about efficiency for Mack Jones. And like, I just don't, I haven't seen it the past few weeks. the stage is set. It's cold as fuck. I'm not sure I'm a hundred percent, like not sure about him in cold weather at this point, he already is like staring down the barrel of his God awful performance against them a few weeks ago. And like, they've just sort of crumbled since then. And it's like, I haven't seen. The last few weeks to make me think they're gonna be able to beat the Buffalo bills. And if Mike I'm doubling down on it now, because Mike's going, way we win is we come out and we smack them in the mouth early. And that is not a quality I've seen from the Patriots. Like made games of, of things like late, like you said, um, they've managed games super efficiently in one. Them I've seen that from them, for sure. Like that had been bill Belichick's DNA all over it, you just come out and just like dynamically drop, like a, like a big couple of scores on a team and then like really set the tempo. Like I just haven't seen it that much from them. And I think it comes down to who their quarterback is. saying he can't be that guy someday, but right now I just don't think in a, in a take away the cause like the thing is you always have this, like you're looking at the Patriots and you're thinking about this bill Belicheck magic. And you're thinking about this stuff that's been happening time you watched the Patriots and the post season for the last, your whole life, basically like your whole adult life and teenage years. But when you think about it, obviously Tom Brady was there. Like whatever, we don't need to get into that, you can trick yourself into not just making it really simple and just looking at it and going, who are the two quarterbacks and who are the two teams, know? And what are the conditions? Where are they playing? What are their records? Like? like take away that bill Belicheck, black magic, which I just cause I, cause I think that the chasm is too great for him to like use his brain to climb.

Joe:

point.

Dave:

team. like every time I watched Nikila Harry like play football. All right. Like, you know, it's just like the weapons. like a lot of players on the Patriots offense. Like I, I just don't know if any of them are guys that can like make Mack Jones be what he needs to be in this game. I just don't see it. I can't imagine it happening. I can't visualize it

Bob:

feel like what happened was so that Patriots game, right, John, you could tell what was missing from that Bill's offense was for some reason they weren't running with Josh Allen. Josh Allen is a mobile quarterback that dudes in athletic, like

Dave:

when he's at his best. He's dynamic.

Bob:

right, exactly. So what was missing is that element, since that game, the bells have now added that back into their offense. The past four games, I think Alan has what, six rushing tack touchdowns has now opened up the field for Devin Singletary, who also has five rushing touchdowns in the last couple of games, also opened up the field for digs to opened up the field for Isaiah and McKenzie to come out there. There's just so much more to this Bill's office and what happened in that past game. point Mack Jones. he's. He's awesome. We love him. The dude has never played. At 1716 games seat was nevertheless a 17 game season,

Joe:

That's the amount of games he played in his entire career at Bama with 17,

Dave:

a lot.

Bob:

he has hit the rookie wall and I think you can see it where, where the throws that were there and week five, there anymore. They're just not being made. And, and the offense is being adjusted to, to, to, um, to like make up to that. But it's just like, like you guys had to build, you're just too talented. I love the past this year. I do. I think you guys are talented. You guys have come a long way. This is listen. This is a very successful season for the new England Patriots. No matter what happens

Dave:

if you consider how you started,

Bob:

right, exactly. A hundred percent. But yeah, they don't have a chance in this game. I really don't. If they do, I will be shocked. I will be shocked if they win this game. I'll give you guys a lot of credit. If you do though,

Dave:

Yeah, I know. I mean, yeah, but can I ask you a question? The Patriots fans of the room and cause this is obviously you guys watching closer than I do, but do you find that Josh McDaniels, if he has any drawbacks or if you have any criticisms of him is one of them that he tends to like, try to like keep his hand in the stew a little bit when things aren't going. Right. Like, I just think he like tries to the offense, like almost too much. Like it's like just let him just let him play to his strengths and let them try to like throw his way out of this slump. You know what I mean? Like let them try and get him, get his way back into the game, as opposed to like, he's always trying to be a little bit too clever for his own. Good. And I think in the playoffs against the dynamic team, like Buffalo, like that could really be your undoing if he doesn't start well, if, if Mac Jones doesn't start well, does anyone find that with, with McDaniels or is that just, am I.

Bob:

do you think that's why maybe they're more successful at the end of games, because you noticed that too, with teams like that, where once they get in that no huddled, they let him play.

Dave:

Yeah, just let him play. That's your best bet is to just let him play.

Joe:

him on the headset all day, right? So you have to, you have to Telegraph the plays. And then that's your hand being in the Stu, right? Is, is you telegraphing those plays. that that's always been who bill and Josh are. And I think that was one of Tom's underlying criticisms of the, both of them is that there was always that much control and that much to be a part of everything going on, which is why I think we've seen Tom Brady in Tampa a lot, look over to the sidelines at specifically Byron Leftwich and be like, no, I'm running a, B and C. I'm not going to run your X, Y, and Z. you know, we've talked about this I don't think it's in a disrespectful way towards Byron left, which I think Byron left, which is a very good offensive coordinator. And the best thing that ever happened to his career was having Tom Brady, because I think he's learning so much from Tom Brady as a former NFL quarterback, but from a Mack Jones standpoint, Dave, to answer your question. Yeah, absolutely. And that's one of my biggest criticisms Josh is that sometimes he tries to go back to the well on those plays that he digs out from the back of the playbook too often. honestly, I'm not saying that the interceptions by Mack Jones. Mack Jones is fault, one of them was a throw to Nickeel Harry to bring him back up Nikila Harry had dropped the ball on the previous play and they tried to go back to him and he forced it to him because that was his target and that's, and that is, I feel what the play call was.

Mike:

I'll just say a couple, just one, just one last thing. Uh, McDaniels has always been a real, like, too good of a job making trick place your office instead of making trick plays a catalyst for your offense. He relies on them far, too much, in situations where he's unsure of.

Dave:

You sort of believes in his own myth a little bit like, yeah.

Mike:

Like he, he believes that that could be an offense instead of, instead of the catalyst. And then also to your point about, uh, you know, Bobby and DK, like at the end of games, it looks like Mac is, is doing better. He's typically when he looks that good he's down there down to scores.

Dave:

Yeah. It's garbage time really? So like you can't really get yeah.

Mike:

defense is letting up. So a 35 yard completion doesn't look the same in the fourth with four minutes left and you're down

Dave:

Yeah.

Mike:

as it, as it would in the first.

Joe:

so after Mike gave the segway to us, enjoy this clip from our previous Joe's.

dan:

You've been covering the Celtics for a long time. Right? Has there ever been a period of, since you'd been in town where they've had this much talent and underperformed this significantly? Well, I mean, the, this is a long time, the 83 team, they were swept by the bucks and the playoffs. And if they had four hall of favors, you know, so they lost a four O series. Then they had McHale parish, bird. They had tiny Archibald, this four hall of Famers there. They were swept for. That's pretty bad. But then when they won 57 games during the season, so they weren't chumps and they won the championship the next year where they acquired Dennis Johnson, but that would be the closest to being a dysfunctional. It was the end of the term for bill Fitch for they switch coaches and some things had to happen. And it was a really dark days in the seventies when they had, you know, McAdoo and Curtis Rowe and Sidney wicks. And there was some dysfunction going on there at the end for. All that stuff, but this is a hard team to watch. They are so soft at the end of these games. It just makes you want to kill yourself.

Ray:

Yeah, I'm just sick of Josh though. Um, so I, I don't care what he played when he tries to set together. I don't care. Like, so whatever, whatever, whatever, however you want to bash them DK about we do so, but I can't fucking stand them. So he sucked send me, so, yeah, but yeah. Yeah. Let him back play though.

Joe:

Let's bring him back up in the coaching segment again, because I, I, he, he's going to be a big part of that. No, Bobby, go ahead.

Bob:

I was just gonna say I have something that actually kind of, I think that was good point about a hand in the wealth thing, because if you watch a man in the arena, which is amazing, if anyone out there hasn't watched yet, you fucking showed. Cause it's unbelievable. Um, Tom Brady's unreal

Joe:

I wonder if you would have said that two years ago, guys.

Bob:

bill O'Brien was the most fun and most successful Tom Brady has had as a new England Patriot as a football player is when he was at his top form.

Ray:

Um,

Bob:

know what bill O'Brien did weekend week out confided in Tom Brady and let Tom Brady run Tom Brady's offense and they kind of masterminded it together. So did just want to go back and be like that. That was a good point.

Joe:

Below. Brian's a good, another good coach to bring up later. Uh, cause he's been mentioned for a few jobs as well, Bobby, uh, while, while we're on the topic of, of you, uh, your Cowboys take on the Jimmy Garappolo led Francisco 49ers on Sunday at 4:30 PM Eastern time.

That's 1:

30 PM in Dave hours. What do you feel about this game against the 49ers? Uh, and I guess I see this one as another like high seed, low seed situation. Like I almost see this as a walkthrough for the Cowboys. What do you think.

Bob:

Now, listen, the 49ers are absolutely one of the more underrated teams in football. to be honest, they scare me. The, the one downfall was a Cowboys defense so far. This year is north to south running. a team that just kind of runs it up. The gut been able to run it right up our throat, um, w which is kind of scared. Cause they've Elijah Mitchell, uh, Jeff Wilson. They have dudes that can really run up the gut. However, the thing that drives that San Francisco offenses, Deebo Samuel and the Cowboys have been successful. Alvin Kamara at shutting down that those dynamic running backs, those dudes who do everything. I feel like that's really the biggest key this game. If the Cowboys can shut down Debo down that rush offense and make Jimmy throw the. Saying 23 to 25 times. If he's above, he's above 23 to 25 passes in this game, that is the Cowboys bread and butter, right. There will force two to three turnovers. We'll have a great game. If the 49ers rush for over 150 yards in this game, the Dallas Cowboys are in trouble. And that scares the crap out of me. I loved it. When we got that three seat, very happy. But when the 49ers were the draw, man, it, it, honestly, to me, it was one of the worst drives because your struggle against high dens, kettle, struggle against the rush and that's what the Niners do. So that's what, that's what the Cowboys to focus on is getting the ball into Jimmy's hand. then the other side of it is man. If the offense doesn't show up, I don't know. I think they're going to,

Dave:

know you're coming at it from a Cowboys fan perspective, but like, I feel like anybody in the NFC would have been pissed if they drew the 49ers right now. they're so fucking hype, like they're, they're so confident, high confidence high. Like, was like big on the Cowboys going into the playoffs. I was looking at my playoff best. And then they, they ended up getting stuck with the Niners, which was like, not even the most probable thing that was going to happen. And I was like, Ooh. And it just like, it fucked me up a little bit on like a lot of the beds I was going to make. I honestly think the 49ers are just like, you know, everybody's. Desired team to a drawn. So like you definitely drew the short straw here. being said, if you're going to know what the Patriots Bill's game is going to look like in the first five minutes, you're sure as hell going to know what the Cowboys, uh, 49ers game is going to look like in the first five minutes as the smallest side, by the way, the cup was in the 49ers play in the playoffs makes me feel like I'm 11 years old again. It's great. Like I just, I love, I love that this Ravelry is heated back up to great NFC rivalry. I love the 49ers being good. just in my head a team. That should be good. Um, so it's just going to be cool. Uh, but yeah, that being said, I think you're going to know if it's gonna be, you're gonna be, it's gonna be based on deck and what he looks like in the first five minutes that they're out on the field, at least on, on that side of the ball. I think that the advantage you have, um, for your defense is they only know how to play one way. they're going to go in, and this is great for a playoff team. They're going to go in and they're going to play to their identity and whatever happens. Yeah. They might run it up the gun on you, whatever, but definitely not going to happen is they're not going to be able to avoid the, the pass rush. They're not going to be able to have with the sack. And they're going to be shit scared to go in deep every single time, because all your secondary guys are ball Hawks. yeah. Run it up to God if you want, if you're on offense is working through the air and there's, isn't, all she wrote, you know, that's, that's it, that's a fucking rap. you know, at the end of the day, yes, you're going to know in the first five minutes, it could be a long day for you, but I honestly think it's gonna be a battle. It's super exciting. Everybody's like, there's a ton of good players on show. think it's going to be a great game. I'm super pumped for.

Ray:

Bobby, I got a question for you, bro. So I'm going to go, Rick Pitino on you. So is, is Garrison Hearst walking through that door,

Bob:

As hers and not walking through that

Ray:

Steve young and walking through that door

Bob:

is not

Ray:

is JJ stoves walking through that door? No. Right? Jerry Rice,

Bob:

No judge. I still smell.

Ray:

Jerry Rice, not Brian Young, whoever you want to put out there. None of those guys will walk through the door. So guess what Cowboys are going to have? They got a dog walk, San Francisco, come on on this weekend. Like don't, don't, don't worry. Like it's cute to give the, the humble response as someone from the outside looking in. And my brother's a 49ers fan, so I need y'all to dog walk them so I can talk shit to him over the weekend. I need y'all to win this game. Um, but I, I got y'all when he was like, listen, this is not, this is not to be mentioned. The nineties. This is not even the teams that the seventies, this is, this is not that, um, Dallas is the better team. And if y'all just show up, it's over.

Joe:

Ellis is the better team. And I, I agree that they're going to weigh me and I sent it to start the segment, right. Like I said, they're going to basically to quote ratio and they're going to dialogue the 49ers. would be the weakest point in the Cowboys team? Bobby

Bob:

So it's twofold. It's it's so it, it really depends if Dax not if Dax, if DAC doesn't show up,

Joe:

bingo.

Bob:

is the biggest weak point because I sat it on. I think it was last week, weeks, one through nine, his DVOs, which is for a quarterback. It's it's what keeps the drive going. It's a place that, uh, really, really are the backbone of a long 10, 11 P play drive weeks, one through nine. He was dirt in the leap weeks nine. And on he's like 23rd, He has his weeks here and there where he's top five. He's amazing. Those two weeks we put up 50 points. If he's not on point, we struggle. Um, I, that, that's what it comes down to. If we get the All-American deck, I'm confident. I think we win this game by 30 points. we get the deck that's missing third in 10, second, and nine out routes, them to the wrong shoulder behind the dude, just, just missing this rose that he makes we're in trouble. So I was, I couldn't agree with decay more. You're going to know what game this is the first three passes. The doctor was over 10 yards.

Dave:

going to have any excuses either. Cause they're secondaries all fucked

Bob:

Yeah. So the first three passes this Yoda.

Mike:

As an outsider. And so, Bobby, I guess at this, this is more of a question to you though. I think, I don't think that's true. I think w off the first, let's say four rushes of Zeke. If we see the old Zeke that we, that we all, uh, that we all grew up, you know, I came to love. I think that makes Dak better. Now. I, I personally believe that your best, that you're, you're never going to want a Superbowl. If your best player is running back, set it up for I'll say it again. I'll say it on episode 2 0 3, but I think back puts a lot of, uh, you know, he puts a lot of equity in how Zeke's playing and if, what he has to do to carry that team. So if he sees, if he sees Zeke, you know, make a cut in the backfield and then get tackled for loss, not hit that burst, he thinks it has to be on him. Maybe he forced it to throw maybe that dumb ass of the head coach, you have tells him to force more throws. And now you're in a situation where

Dave:

I think they are going to stop the run. The like, I think they have really good linebackers. I think they have really good run stopping, and I think it is going to come down to DAC regardless of what happens. And I think they should have that. They should know that going in. Like they should be, it would be irresponsible for them not be like, Hey dad, you need to win us this game. We're not going to win it on the ground because they're hurt. They're hurting in their secondary, but all their linebackers are healthy and their linebackers are good as fuck.

Joe:

Yeah, they were very good friends. Seven.

Mike:

I mean, I'm just saying, if you look at all the Cowboys losses and all of Dax, worst games, look at Zeke's performance too. There is a direct correlation between how he plays and how the rushing attack starts off.

Dave:

like, I'm still confused as to why they don't throw them the ball anymore. It does. Doesn't make any sense to me. He's like still fast.

Ray:

We talked about it last week,

Dave:

Yeah.

Bob:

your pace. Now he's changed your pace. Now he's nine. our powers to change your pace. Powered comes in for passing downs. Powered plays that dynamic roll in Zeke runs up the gut

Dave:

he doesn't really throw to him very often either though he doesn't really like dump it down. Like, like as effectively as I would like him to that's when I think he runs into trouble is because he's like, he's going over 10 yards every time. And like, if you don't get that going, I mean, that would just might be the style of quarterback. He is, you know? And like, if he can get it going great, but if you don't get that going then you are forced and shit, you are throwing shit into smaller pockets. You know what I mean? It's like, if you can just dump it down a couple of times, just loosen it up. It always annoys me when I'm watching that Cowboys offense. Like the opposite of how I feel when I watch their defense, because I love watching their defense, but I might do just like loosen it up a little bit. Like let's like make some plays out of the backfield. You know what I mean? It's just, I just don't see it that often. And I used to, I think Zeke in my eyes, at least, I don't know the numbers, but he was one of the best at that for like a long time. Like he, like he could move from back there. So, you know, you look at how the chiefs play. Like th they, they build their whole offense from the line of scrimmage. Like after the ball comes out of my homes, his hands a lot of the time. And I just think like, that's how you have to play to open up those deep throws, you know? And I think that's why Dak runs into that trouble sometimes.

Joe:

Does that, does that come from, uh, Mari Cooper, uh, coming out

Bob:

being banged up.

Joe:

yeah, well being a little upset that he wasn't getting the ball.

Bob:

Yeah, I mean, so, so to, to to piggyback off of what Decadron said, I completely, if you look at the Cowboys' game so far this year, it is when that backfield and what Mike said when that backfield is dynamic, especially, and listen, I don't mean to keep bringing up isn't it, but Tony Pollard, man, I honestly think he's one of the biggest X factors in this game. One powered is electric. One powered is making plays. The Cowboy's offense is so different. And I honestly think point when Tony Pollard is on the field, defenses are more scared of him than they are Wednesdays on the field. I don't think that that is a question anymore. Piggyback off of what you said, Joe, Marty Cooper So as soon as he, I think it was, was it a Patriots game or came after it might've been the Vikings game he banged up his hamstring. That's that index injury we're just such a. Obvious correlation of when that offense started to go downhill. When those two weren't on the same page, when they weren't at a hundred percent, they're not connecting that's when you see things go wrong, don't forget a year and a half ago, Cowboys fans, including myself, were questioning of Dak. Prescott was a franchise. Quarterback were questioning. If this guy could make these throws and then who did the Cowboys give up a first round pick for Amari Cooper? And it changed everything that season changed on a dime. And we went to the playoffs. It was amazing. Dax, a franchise quarterback. Again, I think a Mar is a big piece of this office. Those are the two X factors of the offense Pollard and Mr.

Joe:

Mike, this question kind of goes to you because we're going to, we're going to talk about the last wild card match up

Bob:

And my guy CD.

Joe:

yet. Uh, and then we're going to talk about the two teams that have a buy this week, but to lead into this, um, Dak Prescott, if he loses to the 49ers on Sunday afternoon, we be able to start thinking about putting him in the same category as Aaron Rogers and Matt Stafford

Mike:

No,

Joe:

comes to playing or playing.

Mike:

no, no, no, no, no, no. I would say has overcome uh, more obstacles in his career already than Aaron Rogers ever has. I think, uh, to come back from that, that type of an injury, that catastrophic of an injury that you did last year and in a game one the defending super bowl champions put up that type of performance and show you that he still is the guy. think in reality, we, we might, uh, look back and say, uh, in, in a couple of years, if they, if they don't win a Superbowl and the, in this next, you know, three, if he only just had a coach that was intelligent, right. That, that's what we always used to think about. Stafford turns out the guy just can't beat a good team. Uh, th th th that's just the facts. that's that's, you know, that's history. I think w what was his record? Bobby like nine and 175 against us, the winning record, but. Dax to the guy. He's the guy that you build a franchise around. He's in. And if, I think, I don't know if he has the clout yet, but if this doesn't work with McCarthy, if he wants to pick the coach, bring it, you, you, you, you bring in whatever coach he wants to bring in build that team around him. I, Aaron Rogers was, uh, the product of a situation where, you know, he had a hall of fame quarterback right behind him. And he still had a pretty good offensive, uh, around him too. And the guy's a freak athlete. Sure. And he went to one super bowl and he won one he's never been back again. And he constantly chokes. So

Dave:

And everybody had to fucking trip over their own Dick on the, on his way to the fucking soup. That's particular. She roll too. Like it's not as if he was, he came up against like an elite Ray of fucking array of fucking, uh, teams in that, in that NFC run, fucking Jay Cutler had to like shoot himself in the fucking face or that shit that happened. And like this just embarrass us. So that wasn't even that good of a bears team. That's all I'm saying. And we like almost had,

Mike:

he did beat a, if the Steelers had one that we would've considered the Steelers a dynasty in the, in the 2000 tens. If they had one, that one, because it would have been two

Joe:

Yeah.

Mike:

like he had, didn't beat that team. but no, I think Dak is, he's already in the upper echelon of, of NFL quarterbacks.

Dave:

Well, you have to, but you have to rate Aaron Rodgers higher than Dak Prescott right now though.

Mike:

Hold on three three-year five. I don't know.

Dave:

No, I just mean.

Bob:

Listen, when, when you look at who you want to weed your football team, who you want to take your team into battle, it's in not all talent aside, which I guess is a lot aside

Dave:

That's everything

Bob:

game, it's everything. when you're looking at just like leadership skills and things like that, I honestly think Dak might be the top guy in the NFL. So if you can get 80 to 90% of what Aaron Rogers is

Dave:

you think, you think you think Dak Prescott's a better leader than Tom Brady?

Bob:

Uh, maybe not, maybe not one top pop five

Joe:

Hang on. He's a better leader. Wait

Bob:

top five, five. No, he's not Tom Brady. He's top three. We'll go tops. Right now. I'll get top three. But, if you can get that out a deck a so, uh, pivotal that he has those leadership skills that I just think it raises that even more, which is why the Cowboys really tied their bandwagon to him, regardless of sometimes mediocre play, regardless of these things, the Cowboys look at him as someone they're going to tie their franchise to. So winter loss, it doesn't matter. He's not going to be put into that echelon of like losers in the playoffs, because guess what? He's not going anywhere. and he's gotta be back again with another shot to do it. So, um, I just think the character is and who he is, has got to keep him out of that. We can't win in the playoffs category for now.

Joe:

This is how we're going to talk about Mack Jones in like three years. Just so you know, when the, after they beat the bills on Sunday evening. So the only game we haven't talked about in the wild card round, which the Dak Prescott question, uh, was supposed to lead into is, uh, Matt Stafford's, Ram's taking on Kyler Murray's Cardinals on Monday night football. Uh, this is, this is an intriguing football game guys. Like it, it really is, uh, out there it's so fire stadium and DK DKS backyard, um, I think DK actually owns part of Sophie stadium. I'm really just trying to get them back focused on while we're talking about here. Um, but, uh, but th the Cardinals and Rams on Monday night football, um, Ray, who takes this one in Y

Ray:

Um, just to piss my golf, I'm growing with the Rams. Um, I've been a staff, a supporter, I think Stafford, Alex. I want him here in the womb. We talked about this, so,

Joe:

so did Mike.

Ray:

now. I forgot how many days he was saying to the lions or whatever. He said, Sephora can win the big game. But, I think that, you know, I think that they find a way to get it end. Like Arizona's not ready. They're not like they're, they're a good team. Um, obviously color Maria is ascending. Um, like, but he still, uh, maybe a year or two away from being a guy that you think could make a deep run. So, um, granted he's already had a schedule in my opinion, but yeah, I think that, you know, And we're talking about legacy, like messed up. You got to win this game, bro. Like, this is clearly the best team you've ever been on. to at least get to division around at least, um, like it's gotta be you and to have a bay, like in a, in a, in a, an NFC championship, you cannot lose an early, early around. Um, but yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm riding with the Rams. I think Stanford has a great game, I guess, Arizona. Um, I don't, I don't think Hopkins is coming back to Arizona, so I know that that's, that's a big,

Dave:

He's not, not,

Ray:

I know there was, there was talks of him maybe coming back, but it's like, yeah. think that, you know, between, Cooper cup is a fucking beast. Um, I, I just think that he's gonna get whatever you want. I guess that secondary as he has, he's had, he's done on the whole league this year and, um, yeah, I think every, I think a LA finds a way to get it

Dave:

I mean, the Rams probably are going to win, but like, I don't think that that answers any man staffer questions, you know, I think like

Ray:

Well, at least not yet. Not yet.

Dave:

yeah. They they're gonna come up against a team, you know, they're gonna come up against the team pretty in pretty short order afterwards, but that is likely going to test the Matt Stafford theory pretty effectively. And like,

Ray:

Yeah,

Dave:

come to the same conclusion. Right. It's not as if, uh, like a very bank, like, would you have the Cardinals if they were fully healthy though?

Ray:

no, I, I still would pick, uh, the Rams. Yeah,

Dave:

Cardinals. I'm taking the Cardinals just because of Matt staff. Cause I think he sucks,

Ray:

yeah, no, no. I mean, and I'll do this history behind that got statements. I get that, but.

Dave:

Yeah. Watch it and play football that's

Ray:

no. I mean, I'm also individual, so I get it, but it's just, I, I just, I just think, I just like, maybe I'm biased towards this plate. Like I think that once he, just figured, I said, man, if he ever got around a team that can actually play, were seeing it. We saw it for a good amount of the year. Obviously he telled off, um, a little bit. They have some, um, some moments, some bad moments and reset, uh, the recent weeks. But yeah. Um, no, I, I agree with you don't deal. I just, I think like this, this game will help it obviously, but

Dave:

they're probably looking at the box after this. Right. But that's probably the most likely scenario.

Ray:

Yeah. Cause that did, uh, we'll see today they did the foresee

Bob:

No. Where is it? Where the three. So if the,

Ray:

Rams before. Right. Whereas

Mike:

Yeah.

Bob:

yeah,

Ray:

So yeah, they would, they would face, they would face Tampa. So it was like, yeah.

Dave:

you would play them if the

Bob:

yeah. If the Cowboys, when we played the winter of Arizona or LA, no matter what.

Dave:

Gotcha. Gotcha. So, yeah, but this, if the Cowboys go through, they're smashing the fucking ramps.

Ray:

Yeah. That I agree with. I agree with that. Yeah. I think that, that was the beat LA that's the case. So, but we got to get there, so, yep.

Dave:

Yes we do.

Joe:

that Ram's defense is pretty good. That that team is actually top to bottom. Probably on paper is probably a top three team in the NFL, like on. Rod looking at who's on the roster

Dave:

badly want, I badly want to Cowboys Packers, NFC championship game

Joe:

that'd be great.

Dave:

would, I would pay good money to see that

Bob:

want it from the bottom of my heart, but I also don't. I also don't want it from the bottom of my butthole.

Dave:

to get your event,

Bob:

Uh,

Dave:

time. It's fucking time.

Bob:

DK. Did you

Joe:

frozen Tundra,

Bob:

Let me ask, did you ever get your revenge

Dave:

No, Peyton Manning retired.

Bob:

will not pay I met on Rogers. Yeah.

Joe:

Hey Dave, that Superbowl doesn't exist anymore. I was wrong about Odell Beckham Jr. Though. I will admit that I was wrong about Odell Beckham Jr.

Mike:

Yeah. We told her that we told that from the beginning though, dude, you don't need to own that one.

Joe:

I told Bobby what, what Danny was going to do and you guys never believe me there either. So what does it matter? What you told me at the time

Bob:

Side note. I'll

Joe:

I was wrong about it?

Ray:

wanted him here, bro. We just wanted him here. I know he was guest that

Joe:

No way. Get, do what with the way that this Patriots team is constructed right now, the he would have made it would have been a problem.

Ray:

and we, Adam having a first round buy out of taking so

Dave:

just glad Mike didn't get a Russell Westbrook on the fucking Celtics to be quite honest with you. Cause I was like, Jesus, I hope he doesn't have anybody's ear. Cause that's going to be a disaster.

Bob:

I'll never forget being in a Dunkin donuts drive through seeing the alert that said, uh, Gordon Hayward heading into Hornets, Southeast getting nothing. I literally looked at it went fucking Joe. It was the first thing I said, Katie was next to me. She goes what? I was like, don't even worry about it.

Dave:

but don't forget. Don't forget that. Like the shot heard around the world that we a few weeks before that was Joe going. No way. They're going to get it with less than two seconds left and hit a three from the fucking corner. No way they're going to get it for the, oh my God. And I was like slightly delayed and I just like watched it go in and like, we literally have been trashed since that moment. We have been trashed since that moment. So like,

Joe:

listen,

Dave:

time you say to yourself, remember Danny that too. Okay. Because that one counts also.

Bob:

That was the first real, like pathetic, lonely too. But wait, we can't start ourselves with podcasts

Joe:

pathetic,

Bob:

on. Timeout, timeout 10, my weight first So before we got, I think people and, uh, I guess you guys are forgetting how good the goddamned Cardinals were when they had Deandre Hopkins, when they were healthy.

Dave:

I wasn't. I said, I, I said I had them. If they're all healthy. Fuck you.

Bob:

Listen, besides you beside you. So if, if they were healthy, I think there's no doubt about it. The Rams are too soft. The Cardinals are too talented. If the Cardinals are healthy, they beat the Rams for shirt. Deandre Hopkins is such a big piece of this offense. It's a measurable what he does for Kyler Murray. Like you literally, you can't measure it. So

Dave:

Well, there are the S the catching statistics

Bob:

he can't no just watching the office, the eye tests, the I T whatever the fuck

Ray:

Oh, it's the confidence

Dave:

Bobby's like he watches his car on the weekends. He takes duke to his mom. When she's sick, you cannot measure this shit.

Bob:

he pays for his happy and oh no, that's the Sean Matson. Nevermind.

Joe:

ahead.

Mike:

was gonna say real real quick before you go, I think low key where everyone's missing out on it, because it's easy to focus on Stafford. We all said that that, that Sean McVay would have a, would win a Superbowl if he had a quarterback that can throw he does now. So do it, or this is an indictment on you as a coach now, too.

Dave:

does. Is he?

Mike:

Yes. I mean, max effort, max Africa can do a lot of things. Throws one of them.

Dave:

Yeah, but like, you're not going to blame Sharman bay. If Matt Stafford goes out there and stinks up the fucking place, you're going to blame Matt Stafford.

Bob:

So wait, so still this day. So Mike wasn't nine Matthew Stafford, Stafford has never beat a team with 10 wins

Mike:

correct

Bob:

in his career. It has never

Dave:

the natural rebuttal to that in fairness, just to be the devil's advocate as he played on the Detroit lions, the worst fucking franchise in the world.

Mike:

with the gradient with one of the greatest wide receivers of all time.

Dave:

Yeah. When he was like a baby, when he was a baby,

Bob:

Listen, I can tell.

Dave:

I don't, I'm not defending my staff. We're fucked. Matt staff move on.

Bob:

I can tell you, I can tell you that, like Trent, Dover's beat a team with 10 wins. Um, Matt Moores beat a team with 10 wins. There's a lot of quarterbacks out there who have beaten a team with 10 wins.

Mike:

Yep.

Ray:

Context matters. Don't do that. Sir.

Bob:

You're

Joe:

Yeah, you're

Ray:

Context matters.

Joe:

that's right. So w and next we're going to move into, uh, black Monday and head coaches in the NFL that have lost their job and had coach openings, in the NFL. And actually there's a head coach opening in the playoffs. uh, that and more, uh, and Dave celebration of that naggy, leaving Chicago coming up after this clip Craig.

Mike:

Anyway. So Mack Jones, Mike, um, you, you throw in a bunch of numbers here. Uh we're regarding Mack Jones. It was very difficult for Mac Jones to be bad at Alabama. We just talked about that, right? Right, Dave, uh, and Ray, you and I have talked about sec quarterbacks, how they stink when they get to the NFL. So Mike Rita's through a Mack Jones and what he did with two of the best wide receivers in college. Yeah. So this is why I'm irritated by this pit, right? So he had, he had a great year last year. No doubt about it in a year where he were Alabama only played sec opponents. I get that too, but also in a year where SCC defenders opted out that he was not playing against the best and right. So a hundred passing year, 41 touchdowns, four picks. I'm pretty certain that every single one of us could account for 28 to 35 touchdowns with Devontae Smith and walk and waddled to throw two. But I'm still not sold on this, man. I think that, I think bill wanted him the entire time. He was never going to move for him and Grady. He got his guy, but if he starts this year at any point in time, it's because things are going really bad. It's because the quarterback. That now has Jared Stedman and cam Newton, and it are that bad. So it's almost if we want Mack Jones to do well in the NFL, I think he should sit for, for a year. I think he's probably, yeah, I've heard that. He's one of the most pro ready quarterbacks in the draft. Go speak. Nice. Throw into Smith posable. He'll go to, well, I guess a hunter Henry and John Deere Smith are pretty good. I'll give them that, but, um, I don't, I don't love this. I've never been so mad at bill doing what, what I've been asking him to do for the last five years. Like I, I begged him to take a quarterback in the first round, the last three months, and then he did, I'm still pissed off. Three of them were going to be gone. And then it's interesting. It's I'm glad you brought up the point where the people have said that he's the most pro ready quarterback on a certain radio program on a certain radio station this afternoon.

Joe:

To Joe and missing the point that you, 100, the episode with an asterisk, uh, it's like all those Patriot Superbowls. Uh, so in the last few

Bob:

Did he

Dave:

You said it. He said it.

Bob:

say that?

Joe:

NFL coaches. The NFL coaching carousel, uh, has begun. And, uh, one of the first casualties was actually the head coach of the Las Vegas Raiders. so the Las Vegas Raiders, though, they are in the playoffs, technically have a coach, a head coach opening the Jacksonville Jaguars fired urban Meyer because he's a piece of trash. so they have a head coach opening. And then, uh, on Monday got word, uh, that there was going to be a few more and a few that one that was very surprising, big fan GL fired in Denver. Matt naggy fired in Chicago and Brian Flores for some reason fired from Miami. and then, uh, on the day that we are recording this January 11th, Joe judge was fired after apparently having a meeting with the Maras, uh, the owners of the New York giants about what he had planned, uh, to better the franchise. Apparently after 24 hours of his plan, they said, nah, and they told them to kick rocks. So he'll be back in new England, pretty quick special teams coordinator. Uh, but guys, I let's start with Dave because Dave, Dave, Dave, after two years of, of and screaming at the discord at the, at your microphone, finally happened. Matt naggy and Ryan pays fired from your Chicago bears, a lap.

Dave:

Thanks. Yeah, it's been tough, man. It's been, it's been a heavy albatross to carry. I appreciate you guys understanding. I'll tell ya. It's a, the Matt naggy show, um, whilst corresponded better with the podcast, um, as unpleasant as it was. and I, you know, I was out on him. We were winning if you guys remember, cause you could

Joe:

Yup.

Dave:

he sucked. Uh, the Ryan Pace show has been really the most painful thing to have to live through. Um, that guy a knucklehead and like, yeah, I can barely say it out loud. You know, it was really hard to criticize him because I've known for so many years that it's like festered. Now I'm into this horrible thing where I just, I just knew every decision he made was bad. And when he finally got Justin Fields, was like the most on Ryan Pace thing to do, to actually do a good thing. Um, Although he did the exact same thing just on the wrong guy, like the first time around, uh, now it wasn't a good look, but, uh, that being over is great. Um, it feels like a weight's lifted off. Um, I think we have a lot of really good personnel. I think we've got a really talented young quarterback if I think that the most obvious coaching and like front office flaws in the league were in Chicago because of the personnel that they have. Like, think a lot of people were looking at that team. Come on, man, you guys are better than this, so it's gotta be the coaches, you know, and they're making terrible bonehead decisions going forward on fourth, down with dumb ass fourth in one place. Like just, I don't have to live through that more than it's. And it's nice. The question now is who do we get? Um, there's like a lot of great candidates out there. And the most important thing is they're not Ryan Pace and Matt naggy, and that's going to be their most important quality coming into this, uh, into these interviews. Um, then like the dolphins do some dumb shit, like, uh, fire Flores. I'm like, fucking sign him up, dude. Like that guy could come in and, and coach the bears and you know, it depends on what your long-term goal is here. Like, are you trying to win now? Because I think that you potentially could. think you could potentially, if you get the right guy for Justin Fields get a, and you, and you focus your head coach and GM search on let's make Justin feels good. Now he's got Darnella Mooney. He's got David Montgomery, Montgomery. He's got, um, he's got a good young defense on the other side of the ball. Like you might think of, of some of the older guys, uh, like keen Hakes and stuff like when you, when, when you first comes to your mind, but we have real Kwon Smith. Like we have guys on, on both sides of the ball, they're young that you could like really build a team around longterm. Um, but also, you know, we w we have a lot of really, really good players that are veterans. So the full four is open for somebody to come in with a vision say, I think this is where the bears need to go in the next two years or three to five years or whatever it is.

Mike:

Yeah.

Dave:

And I think that's what they should be like listening for when they interview these candidates, like, what are you going to bring to the table? Like, what are you like, paint us a picture of what this team's going to look like over the next few years. And honestly, if it's, let's make Justin Fields great at year five or year four, that's fine with me. Or if it's let's make, I can make Justin feels great next year. That's fucking fine with me too. Um, so whatever, and there's, you know, there's guys, there's candidates in both jobs that like, look like they could do either of those things. You know, I think if you bring Flores here, it's a longer-term project. Um, but if you bring Harbaugh in, maybe you're going for something next year or the year after, like, I genuinely believe that we do have great personnel in there. They've been horrifically undervalued. you look at the Dallas Cowboys defense, you know, it just goes to show, you can have the right personnel in the wrong coach, um, and, and make a change at coaching. And all of a sudden, know, the, the flood gates open. And I think if you remember, yeah, we spent some time watching the bears fucking suck. So I understand like, you know, apprehension, if you have it, what are you, if you remember, there were some pretty good signs, you know, for a little while there, especially defensively. Um, and we do have some weapons and I think some people would be envious of, uh, I think there's some receivers that the Patriots would fucking love to have to be quite honest with you. And like the fucking sky's the limit guys, the fucking sky's the limit. It's, it's a fucking happy week for me. Fuck those guys. They were the worst I should've known because of the visor. I should have known right away.

Joe:

did Brian and Flores do a good enough job to attack a bylaw, uh,

Dave:

well, that's when he might not be the best for, for Justin Fields in, in that sense. Um, I think fields' is more talented personally, but again, I'm biased,

Mike:

Yeah.

Dave:

but yes, I agree. It's more of like a team. I'm a team building exercise if you bring them in for you and for that. Um, but again, it depends, I think you do GM first and I think you, you have him paint you a picture of what, what it's gonna look like, and then go get your man. Just go get your man, whatever you need back. You just go get him. Whether it's, know, pulling Harbaugh in or the Ohio state guy or, you know, the fucking not, I'd prefer not the chief's offensive coordinator, but like, whatever. Like if that's, if that's the vision I will have, we already had a chiefs offensive coordinator. It didn't go well. Um, I don't know if you remember, it was, he just got fired a few days ago. Um, but it's, uh, you know, like having these guys, whatever, you know, whatever, if we get the right guy at GM, I think the dominoes will fall after that. That's how I think we should approach it. I hope they do. They'll probably fuck it up though. I know.

Joe:

we don't need to go through the names of the general manager candidates for the Chicago bears. They're all. I mean, most of them are you kind of just listed out a few of them by, by job, but notable head coaching, uh, requests or guys that they're going to interview uh, Leslie Frazier and Brian Dayville, who are the defensive and offensive coordinator, uh, coordinators of the bills, uh, both offensive and defensive coordinators for the Buccaneers, Todd Bowles and Byron Leftwich. Uh, then Dan Quinn, who is the Cowboys defensive

Dave:

He's my number one. He's my number one.

Joe:

former head coaches, Doug Peterson, and Brian Flores. And you want Dan Quinn.

Dave:

I do.

Joe:

Bobby would be very, I, you know what? I loved what Dan Quinn, 28 to three aside Dan Quinn did in Atlanta and how he built that team.

Dave:

I think that was Matt Ryan's fault. Get Dan Quinn in here.

Mike:

to be clear, like he didn't build that team, which is why I would advocate that I said this to today. Like, if you have, if you have the vacancy get Dimitroff Dimitrov knows how to build a team from the ground up in

Joe:

Yup.

Mike:

talent, he built what should have been a wagon in Atlanta. It just happens that you have a quarterback with no nuts. And you don't have that Chicago. I mean, I think Justin Fields is the guy that just needs that just needs to be surrounded. So if you get Dan Quinn and Dimitroff in Chicago to do a do-over, could wreak havoc in that division for the next five to seven

Dave:

And then when the time is right. You know, because, uh, uh, what's his name? Aaron Rogers is out of, out of himself as a fucking roof, shingle of a human being and has like, basically done the PR tour from fucking hell for the last six months. literally the dumbest man I have, I'm forced to listen to other than Joe Rogan, the guy he listens to. like, been great. And like, he's, you know, I know the parents are the best team. I know we, you know, we'd probably, I'm probably gonna have to suffer a few. Another couple of, well, he is old, you know, he is certifiably. I believe he's just turned 75. like, I think that like being, being a 75 year old quarterback is tough. And I think he's gone his way out. So like the time is right it's time. The fucking Vikings are trash. fucking lions will always be trash. 99% sure. And Rogers is 113 years old today. So just get him the fuck outta here. will get worse. The time gotta gotta make this. We gotta make the right choice. We have to make the right choice here. Otherwise it's the franchises on the line here. We don't, we don't have too much

Bob:

Oh,

Dave:

left.

Mike:

in a world very soon where the starting quarterbacks in that division are Justin Fields. Jordan Love Kirk cousins and Jared Goff.

Dave:

Yeah. And you, you want to be the guys with Justin Fields in that situation.

Bob:

drug drug log blows by the way. Um, so to go back to the first road, DK said about that, uh, about their GM, he, he really is probably one of the worst GM's maybe

Joe:

Uh, Dave Gettleman in New York who just retired was way worse than Ryan Pace, but that's personal

Bob:

it's pretty, I mean, it's close. I would just go through so Parnell McPhee, five years, 40 million, 16 million guaranteed. Cut the next year, Mike Glenn in three years, 45 million, 18 and a half million guaranteed. Cut the next year. Prince whoop a move Camorra one year 7 million guaranteed resigned the next year, three years, 27,000,018 million guaranteed. Cut the next year.

Dave:

Signed Andy Dalton and then went to fucking proceed to draft us and fields. Anyway, showing that he had knew nothing of any sort of semblance of a

Bob:

traded, traded a first round pick for Nick Foles. Yep. First round pick for Nick fall

Dave:

traded up to get Mitch Mitch Trubisky missed out on Deshaun Watson mellow. That might've been a blessing in disguise missed out on Patrick. My, in that draft by trading up. It's crazy. It's crazy negligence.

Bob:

pick Kevin White fifth. Granted injuries had a lot to do with that.

Dave:

He was good. He was good in college fair.

Bob:

still fits. That's always going to be a Sora. That's always going to be a sore

Dave:

Now that was

Bob:

So that's, that's such an addition by subtraction, man. I can't even say, um, thing is I feel, I feel relief DK. completely understand what you've been going through. I went through a decade Matt naggy and Jason Garrett. So getting mad. I couldn't be happier

Mike:

Um,

Bob:

you. Best candidate is Jim Harbaugh. I don't think there's any doubt about

Dave:

I wouldn't be mad. I wouldn't be mad.

Bob:

what he did with the less talented quarterback in Colin Kaepernick you what he could do with Justin Fields. Man, Justin Fields could be Lamar Jackson, but someone who can actually make assert in 12 throw, sorry. Right. Um, he could be, he could be a guy who, who could, who could actually make those plays if he has the right coach. And I really think Harbaugh's the guy, man. I mean, you look back at that for his 49 year seasons, Colin Kaepernick. That one year we were talking about earlier with the league on fire, this dude had 172 rushing yards game a quarterback, Michael Vick never even did that. Like the best athletic quarterbacks have never done that. Harbaugh got count Colin Kaepernick to do it with that offense. So I think. Harbach and fields is a match made in heaven,

Mike:

yeah.

Dave:

I would also take the bills offensive coordinator. I forget his name, but he, I think he.

Bob:

And then with Josh Allen, right? Same type thing

Dave:

go well with which doesn't feels, I would just say, like, we don't have to spend too much more time on this, but I will just say I'm a strong believer that the state that the team is in right now, the GM is the most important, um, role to fill because we're lacking in draft capital. Um, we have, we have a pretty wage heavy team right now. Like the contracts on the defensive side of the ball, a couple of veteran contracts. Aren't looking super great. So unless you get a Jim Harbaugh guy in to be your head coach to try to do something, now you got to get the right GM and dude, cause like, wait, it's going to be a few years before we can actually like start real building in. like, he, I need a guy that's going to make the right choices because he's going to need five to seven years. Most likely, you know, unless we can do, we got a great coach and he can do something miraculous, like I was saying earlier. But I just think the GM role is more important in this particular situation.

Bob:

you don't want to be like, sorry, you don't want to be like the jets in a, do the draft and then fire your GM two days later. Well, the GM GM do the entire draft and be like, yeah, we didn't like that. Get out.

Joe:

who's the team who is the team whose GM is going to quote unquote retire after the draft. I CA I saw it on a scroll the other day. I can't remember who it is. like, he's going to do the draft and then, and then retire. And it's like, well, no, he's been bad anyway. why, why even

Dave:

It's the Steelers guy is here. You're talking about yeah. Kevin Colbert. Yeah. He's a billion and uh, yeah, he's a billion in GM years and I think that's why.

Joe:

Probably another team or our second team, uh, with a head coaching vacancy is the Denver Broncos who fired fig Vic. Fangio who I think we all kind of had, on the, uh, on the hot seat. Um, and Ray, one of their top candidates is

Craig:

Hm.

Joe:

coach Gerad, Mayo. Uh, is he ready to be an NFL head coach?

Ray:

I think he is honestly.

Craig:

Um,

Ray:

I mean, I know, you know, people speak of them highly over here and this, uh, you know, and this and this and this area. So yeah, I mean, like I said, he was a smart player. you know, there's a visible ability to drive to him to have overall back and I'll wait out of Tennessee. Um, was, was the leader really from day on that defense once he got there, honestly for the six, seven years he was here. So And then, you know, um, you know, he, he, he brought him back, um, what do you call it? Brought him back to the coaching staff and, know, he's learned a lot, I think, under bills on the last few years. So yeah, I think that, you know, wherever you go, um, I think similar to where Brian Flores, uh, was, um, down there, so yeah, or down in Miami. So yeah, I think that, um, the male definitely is ready and deserves, deserves a chance to be.

Joe:

Yeah. And again, uh, Bobby, uh, Quinn, Kellen Moore, are candidates for the Denver Broncos. Um, I, I mean, I think we know what you have to say about both of those guys. Um, and, and I think Dan Quinn would be, Dan Quinn would be a great spot for him. That would because they're so defense heavy.

Bob:

let me just tell you what I have to say about Calla Mora as a candidate is I hope someone hires him. I would just throw that out there. So if someone hires him, I'm not going to be that disappointed about it. So good luck to whoever does that. Dan, Dan queen, I'm going to be devastated though, man. I love that defense. I hope he doesn't go.

Joe:

and just to go back on the drug male part, because I just brought up Dan Quinn and Mayo is obviously a defensive guy and the defacto defensive coordinator. Right. Ray. So like, agree with you that he's ready, but it's so weird because like, what else has he done? You know, you look at, you look at his, his coaching resume it's like, yeah. All right, he's got, he's got more coaching experience than Jason Kidd. So I guess already, it makes sense in a vacuum. Right. but w w. Being the Patriot's linebacker coach and working next to Steve Belicheck. I don't know. I,

Mike:

don't disgrace by mentioning that asshole's name. it's bill. Steve Belicheck is just, it's just like I said, coordinator he's just because he's this kid, that's it. he's nothing. And took shape, took over that defense. When I got better, he should have propelled an elevated, mayor to make it look like it was him. That's doing it because he should get a job somewhere

Joe:

so why didn't he.

Ray:

find ones to keep them?

Mike:

because maybe he wants to keep him a B, because if he elevated Gerad, then he would be, uh, would be lowering his son. just, I mean, that's, that's just nepotism right there. And I think DRA needs to leave new England and we need to figure out what type of a coach he is. he's not the same type of a coach, but every single other coach under the belt.

Ray:

I thought he was going to Philly year. I did. I think we talked about don't. I thought he was going to tell me, um, you know, the nature of the highest thing on you. I mean, obviously it was during right now cause they want to, um, the playoffs, but yeah, I mean, but back to what DK was saying, I didn't even notice that. I mean, I didn't even think of hardball being the guy over there in Chicago.

Dave:

Uh, well, he used to be a quarterback for us, actually.

Ray:

yeah, no, no, I know. I know he played there.

Dave:

great.

Ray:

Yeah, I know. Um, but I just, that's not the, I didn't even think about that and yeah, he did. He did do a good job cap. Um, At the time he was just about to announce Smith. So we could say that he wasn't that talented, but he was just better than Alex Smith at that moment. Um, we wouldn't always spend, they had a million different coordinators and coaches by the time he got there. Um, so yeah, I mean that, that, there's a lot of guys out there. Um, I want Flores back on staff here immediately. I know that's not going to happen because since he's probably wanting to, to hire them as they should, um, I think the giants would be a good mood for Florida. I think the, I think Chicago would be a good move personally. I think Chicago, Chicago probably should be the one or two. Like that should be the first or second option for most head coaches in the job, um, to get a chance to get fields to little Mac Alan Robinson,

Joe:

if they sign them back,

Ray:

yeah, I'm it. But yeah, I would say just, just, just what they have currently, like you have to think about, you know, what, okay. Um, is it going to be colder than what they're shore? Um, what a chance to maybe host a game at, at the new soldiers field?

Dave:

I'd like to think that proceed, your franchise will elevate us as a, as a, as an option above the other possible candidates. I like to think that, but then I remember we haven't won shit in like 20 fucking years, so I don't know.

Ray:

yeah, no, no, no. I, I told him to send it with. Just last year, regardless of record, and made to play out. So it's not like, oh my God, they haven't made the playoffs in 10 or 11 years. Like they made it play all this just two years ago. Um, I said, ha have a new avenue, a young quarterback, like, so there are building block pieces there that a GM and Tosha want to be there. Um, but we all know like, love Smith got a raw deal over here. And you know that like I'd asked you to look back and see got a raw deal.

Dave:

a hundred.

Ray:

someone that we haven't even noticed that they, I think Joe has brought them up when Mike brought him up. I can't remember who, but, um, Jim Caldwell is someone who should be considered, you know, the mango's nine and seven. I think you're in Detroit, in Detroit, the man would not have stuck with our God Matthew staff. He goes down to 7, 8, 8, and you fire him But I just, I just don't, I don't, I don't there's this again? Let's say seasons, the man has a winning record and you know, it's just like, I just, I don't, I don't understand that. I don't get it. That's what, that's what, wasn't a forest fire was worse than that. It's a joke.

Bob:

well, actually it's, it's even worse, especially when you consider what Joe just said is they, they fired Jim Caldwell fucking Matt. Patricia.

Ray:

Tricia,

Bob:

That's so bad.

Joe:

but that's what Mike just

Ray:

They hired the evil Craigy. They hired the evil Craig in Detroit and he did nothing. I love you,

Joe:

wow. You're just really insulted our EAP.

Ray:

They hide that you Greg over there and he did nothing,

Mike:

That's why like you don't, you don't trust the Belichick coaching tree. do it.

Joe:

only been one successful coach to come out of it and he just got fired.

Mike:

Oh, Brian. Oh, Brian was,

Ray:

I don't, I don't care, John. No, Joe, Joe told me a long while ago. Verbal, verbal,

Joe:

he, count

Ray:

verbal couch, man. He counts.

Mike:

Billy O'Brian would be the other one hit. He had like what, four division titles in, uh, in Houston. And he's also the reason that Mike is now a head coach. So he rebel falls under the Billy O'Brian coaching tree.

Joe:

fair

Ray:

That's still bad though. I shouldn't be the case. I'm so bad. I should. That should, that shouldn't matter. Oh

Joe:

but we, we know what kind of shambles that Houston organization is in. And I thought the same thing when O'Brian left and I thought he was going insane. after seeing what happened after he left, I don't think he was the problem. I mean, we all know McNair is that the owner is

Ray:

of it.

Bob:

he traded, he traded Deandre Hopkins for

Ray:

Yeah. That

Bob:

third round pick. So, uh,

Ray:

will get you. Get you out. That, that alone should have got him

Joe:

There's gotta be, I agree. I agree. You don't make that move. But knowing what happened after what happened and what JJ watt said, if JJ watt was fed up, there was a lot more going on there than what bill O'Brien was doing. But I mean,

Ray:

For sure. I mean, th their owner is trash. We know that, um, and poor, poor Dave Kali, like he he's outta there, like, listen, bro, you, you, you're literally a place over there, you know, we talked about early on in this show I mean, early on in the pocket, I don't remember the show particular, but just hate it, hate it. Seeing, you know, African-American

Joe:

Yeah.

Ray:

or really coaches in general, especially African American coaches placeholders. And that's literally like, bro, the bro, he's 65. Like you're on the way out, Dave, for you, you owe Don like you, you, you should not have taken that job. You should've just stayed up there in Baltimore under horrible. Let's continue to code this should get you a retirement plan, big dog. And you know, uh, but I get it, you know, Houston, Dallas, Houston, you know, it's a great city I know from personal experience, but we'll just leave it at that where it's like, yo, it's like, oh, come on, man. I just, I don't, I don't know. maybe, maybe for us, it goes down there with the scenario. he goes down there with him. I hope not. I need, I need, I want forth back here, His defense. I really do. I just think that, that we we're, we're missing that. And um, but you know that that's just me being biased, but yeah, we'll see what happens.

Joe:

What if he was a placeholder for Matt Patricia? So last year we said that the Houston job was the most undesirable job in the NFL. And now the most undesirable job in the NFL has to be the Jacksonville Jaguars. Um, I,

Mike:

No.

Joe:

Hey, hang on. Let me get, let me, let me finish my thought because it was going

Ray:

That's at the scene.

Joe:

They, they have there, there's a lot of names that have been thrown around with all the other jobs that should be right, including bill O'Brien and Todd Bowles, uh, Dan Quinn, who should they hire? And would it be criminal to not hire Byron Leftwich?

Bob:

Yes.

Mike:

Yes,

Ray:

Yes, yes, yes. Yeah.

Bob:

If it

Mike:

I think Byron Metaswitch deserves better than that, then that job,

Joe:

Oh, absolutely.

Mike:

I think Byron to go to a situation where they have a capable and steady GM and owner, a plan in place so that, uh, you know, when they, when they, uh, fire him after, uh, after going, you know, nine and seven for three straight years, he can easily get a job after that, because that happens a lot that league apparently. no, I think that that GM is trash. The fact that, that, Sean Khan is not going to fire the GM who brought in urban Meyer making him part of the new transition team is embarrassing. So

Joe:

When Kahn said that he was going to be the one to make all the final decisions on everything, the

Mike:

So far. So, so fire, fire jam?

Bob:

was there ever a more, was there ever a more predictable, a dumpster fire, an urban Meyer on the Jacksonville? We, we all sat here on this podcast. Uh, did gaze a, hired him like, well, that's going to be a fucking

Joe:

Bobby. know what the worst part about it is it was worse than we all thought it was going to be.

Mike:

like he, he made, he made Saban's run, uh, with, uh, with the dolphins, looked like Bella check in the glory days. Like if that's how bad it was.

Bob:

He made Bobby Patrina look,

Mike:

I mean,

Ray:

seven. So if you forget that because of how we kind of, how we ducked out in the middle, know, what did, uh, this for us

Bob:

Bobby Petrino. I think he's closer to the Bobby Patrina

Ray:

yeah. This is why we on the same page. Yeah. But it's more about if I Pitino in the land like that, that's what that was like. Let me just kind of, let me just kind of sneak away in the night and I'm going to head back up to Louisville.

Bob:

So

Ray:

it was ridiculous.

Bob:

those, those connections actually correlate a couple more things pop in my head correlate actually pretty well. So do you remember what happened with Bobby Petrino? Actually, I think he was gone at the time by then, but remember when he was at Rutgers, I think it was, or I don't know what his next job, where he was on the motorcycle with his mistress and got caught because he crashed his motorcycle and it was the whole thing where there were so many text messages, the whole thing take urban Meyer with his pictures of the girl grinded on him. Compare it right to that. Between those scandal, man, I think that's such a perfect comparison.

Ray:

Yeah.

Joe:

Um, and then that's the Jacksonville job. I think it's going to be more dumpster fires like that. I mean, we've seen a lot in the NFL. We've seen a lot, like Mike said where we've seen coaches fired after having multiple winning seasons in a row, Brian Flores, we've seen head coaches fired for on their mistress at the bar that they own. There's no way his wife didn't know what was going on. That's a whole nother story for another, another time, but there isn't, way. so the Miami job

Bob:

always sell.

Ray:

episode 1 0 4.

Joe:

Episode 1 0 4 NFL coaches and they're swinging lifestyle. Uh, the Miami dolphins are looking for a head coach. a weird name. That's jumped out here as Vance Joseph. First time. I've, I've seen that one thrown back out there. Um, I don't know. don't know. I don't think he did a terrible job in Denver.

Ray:

And once again, I'm I know I'm supposed to advocate when I'm supposed to. I try to advocate, listen, he's he's not that guy. Sorry. You, you can, can call me whatever you want to call me as you listen to this, say, oh fuck that. not that guy. you want to bring Leslie Frazier, an issue that came up. Bring Lindsay Frasier, Lovie Smith, Jim Cornwell. Ah, hell even, um, what's the guy that was in bolt, Baltimore while he was in both Natty. I'm more of a

Mike:

Marvin Lewis, stop. Stop, stop, stop.

Ray:

over verse Joseph. Cut it out.

Bob:

At various it was garbage don't don't high ratios.

Ray:

Ben, Joseph. No way not doing it. No way.

Joe:

One of the

Mike:

do it. Well,

Ray:

Can't do it. Can't win with Mikey. I could bring my can't do it.

Joe:

one job I forgot to mention was that Mike Zimmer, uh, the one I'd wonder was, uh, fired in, in Minnesota. Um,

Ray:

Yeah. I

Joe:

don't, I don't know. I, I thought he was pretty

Ray:

Pretty good.

Joe:

I

Bob:

go though. It was time to got, it was one of those. It

Mike:

yeah,

Joe:

Yeah,

Mike:

been there eight years. You went to the

Bob:

It was G Jay Kibera. It was Jason Garrett's status where it's like, listen, you're you're, you're doing the job. You're you're, you're doing your minimum to keep us competitive. You need more, man. Some eventually you need some kind of sign something

Mike:

that, that team's marker. When he first got, there was like a, w w was it a stingy, like a stingy defense, right. And all they needed was a quarterback to come in there like that, that can just make electric plays every once in a while, but just manage the game and then they'd win. out they still can't that's all, you know, that's Kurt cousins. I think that guy's an absolute clown and a choke artist. but I think it

Ray:

Oh,

Mike:

it's also with the coach. So if maybe

Ray:

right.

Mike:

a more of an offensive coach, like Billy O'Brian should go to, Kurtz, if Kirk cousins going to stay in Minnesota, I, if I was building up, I'd go there you to make that work.

Ray:

they ha they had the guy, he tore his ACL.

Bob:

My question for a Billy O'Brien keep bringing up his name. Does he get a job set followup question? Does men, did men in the Rina have a little bit of public PR for Billy O'Brien when it

Mike:

No, no, I th

Bob:

think it

Mike:

I,

Bob:

bit.

Mike:

think, I think Billy's PR tour was done, uh, with his stint in Alabama.

Joe:

Yeah.

Bob:

That's true.

Mike:

I think when you see the success that they were able to, uh, to replicate after, after two, uh, after Mac, that is the show that system, but, this, uh, the kid this year, like he broke all records for Alex, for Alabama quarterbacks, that's a Testament to, uh, to, to Billy's, uh, ability to coach. So I think he does. he deserve one? I don't know, for division titles, yeah. I think you give it, you give him another shot. He, he joins a long list of coaches, and he's not at the top of the list that should be looked over again and rehired in that league.

Joe:

Could he be a guy Mike though, that that would stay in the college ranks, not necessarily as a coordinator, but a head coach, uh, and you know, and try and take a team

Mike:

I don't. I, no, I I'm. I'm not like the biggest college football savant, but I think you have to have success as a head coach pretty quickly in that league become, uh, to start getting

Craig:

Yeah.

Mike:

like recruiting classes there. I'm not sure if Billy O'Brian goes to

Joe:

like Deion Sanders.

Mike:

D one school, if he has the clout that you know, that that Deon does. And especially as Nick Saban does. I think, I think O'Brien is, is tailor made for, uh, for the NFL. He just needs the right situation.

Ray:

think he'd do well up here. I think if, um, I think he'd do well, the bus, the college I do.

Joe:

I thought you meant in nature. It says a successor, all check.

Ray:

no, no, yeah, no, no, Sorry, sorry. Sorry. Yeah,

Bob:

with

Ray:

yeah. I'll call. Yeah, I think, yeah. Um, I think, I think he'd be fine. And she I'd rather, you do just fine, um, up here.

Joe:

It's such a crap shoot up there on Chestnut hill though. Cause like it's just so hard that,

Mike:

falls in the woods, but nobody hears it did actually fall. Like nobody truly cares about Boston college

Joe:

yeah. I mean, like if you're getting recruited by ACC schools, like, are you going to go to Blacksburg Miami or Chestnut hill? Like, you know, like Jessica Hills.

Ray:

was, was a, was a senior at one point. I mean, Frank ball was, was, was something man. Um, from there my Vic days and then obviously his brother on there, like they, they had a lot of times I come to Virginia tech at some point. So it just depends on how good the school is. And, you know, are, are you a coach? That's going to get guys to the league. Um, can you make them, you know, uh, leaders, leaders in book? Yeah. Can you make the future leaders essentially? Um, that, that that's what actually happened, so

Bob:

Hadley has a good handle on that program. And I look out, look out for BC. Last couple of years, they would have been better. They would've been better this year. Jerks

Ray:

yeah,

Bob:

hurt, man. They were in business. They were in business this year. If he didn't get hurt.

Ray:

That's what I'm saying is I think if you could get him, he's done with quarterbacks and talking about Bryce on being that guy. So you get, you get him. bitch, like, Hey, look out.

Joe:

I, this is, this is a whole whole nother show for another, a whole nother topic for another show. I think one big thing that college football needs to do and, you know, Nick Saban, came out and said it as it pertained to the NISL stuff that the, you know, the, the licensing individual licensing and stuff like that. And someone works closely with college athletics, I've, seen this even at a low level. Uh, but some of these guys are making a lot of money. I think one of the biggest things, and one of the best things, uh, college football could do is basically, uh, tell all these big five schools in the sec to screw that, Hey, we understand that you're the best, but we need to start incorporating more of these teams. And instead of going with the big five, they need to go to, uh, something more like a 16 team playoff, where it's a little bit more like the college basketball tournament, where if you win your conference, you get into the tournament extends it out a few more weeks. You can still do bowl games. You can still make your money. You can still market these players and these coaches, kids get more exposure there on a national stage. I mean, we know these teams and these players because we follow it, it could, it could really make the casual fan, uh, that much more. And granted I'm not a marketing person. I don't, I I'm not at the D one level. I'm not, I don't work at the NCAA, but.

Ray:

now,

Joe:

For now, but, but, but you know, like these, these changes can be made and it can make a lot of money and it can make a lot of money for a lot of these schools that don't, and that's what it comes down to is that these power five schools don't want to lose that money smaller schools in the Sunbelt, in the ACC, in the conference, USA in the, uh, in the American athletic conference. Like don't want to lose that money to those schools and get it, but it's, it's foolish at the end of the day, because at the division three level, and even in the division two and the may end in the FCS and North Dakota state just won. It's like seventh championship. there are there they're a wagon and people like they gotta be in the FBS. Hell no, they don't want to be in the FBS. They're making their money down the FCS and they can go out and recruit kids and say, man, look at this, we've won seven national championships as ships at the shits the FBA at the FCS level, and be a part of that football needs to do the same thing at the FBS level make a 16 team play off. And if you win your conference, you're in and then they can add in other teams that fall in behind that that may not win their conference, but are good enough to get there. would make a lot of money and in a lot of these coaches would be more successful or have more bill O'Brien would be more likely to stay in college. If he knew he could take a team and elevate them to the level that Deion Sanders is trying to do with Jackson state.

Ray:

Right. Speaking of money and it's like, it's almost like we've all done this before. Get out of here. money being made all over the fields for the Georgia bulldogs last night, man.

Joe:

Georgia bulldogs are the national champions the, uh, college football playoff, the FBS, the T tell us more and more about the money that these kids are making.

Ray:

Yeah. I mean, listen, they was straight money last night. I'm gonna listen to my brother. And I put a secretary for Alabama. We obviously lost that ticket for Alabama and Georgia was on a fight. I mean, it was kind of a slow start. of looking at like the, a Auburn, Oregon game, I think in 20 11, 20 10, 20 11. Um, it was pretty, pretty, pretty slow to start. I was like, oh man, this is kind of a dud. But, um, it definitely picked up in the second half, uh, losing Jamison winners or Alabama was, was huge. Um, we learned it every seam, of course. And that is good when you have, when you lose the top two guys. So losing Jamison Williams, obviously my guy, everyone

Joe:

We're going to ACL.

Ray:

you know, I am a John mechie guy. I want him here in new England. I've talked about it on the show. I'm going to, as soon as I, but I'm going to manifest John mentioned a third, it becomes normal Patriot. Um, but yeah, first time in 41 years, man, it was awesome to see. Um, I mean, how crazy is, I mean, think about the quarterbacks that came through, UGA, and some guy named Stetson. Um, it becomes the guy that, that gets it done So, you know, over, you know, uh, Aaron Murray and, uh, J T Daniels and, know, just so many guys that came through yeah. Jake Fromm, you know, it was like, you know, it's, it's amazing to me, um, that he's the guy that has a good, had done the guy that no one even looked at to bring in there. So, you know, great job with them. But, um, before we kick it back to y'all to, uh, listen, besides John mechy, Davis needs to be a pair of Foxborough. I know we got pushed to Baltimore. Um, John Jordan Davis, Ted Washington, with speed we want to put it, uh, for those that don't remember to have Washington look him up, he was there like Joe Jordan, Dave is 6, 6, 3 50. I just to him in Barbara would be insane and you will not run on this adult. Um, but yeah, that, that's what they can grasp at Georgia bulldogs.

Bob:

Yeah.

Joe:

it's just.

Bob:

off everything you guys just said, I, you guys know I've been preaching for so long the NCAA is, and they just, they missed another opportunity recently where they missed another chance to come to an agreement on this. missing out on so much money for such an organization that's so driven the money. That's so driven by power, by being popular by, by raking in his money off these amateur athletes. For them not to do this tournament just mind blowing to me, even if they expanded it out to eight, man, many people, how many more people would want. All those games.

Joe:

Well,

Bob:

how many more games are added to that and how much more hype there is between, uh, you know, instead of just Alabama, Georgia, every year, you also have an Oklahoma versus Baylor playoff game, not just, not just an Oklahoma versus Baylor week 13 for the conference, playoff game, or you have, you know what I mean? You think about Miami versus I don't even know Nebraska. You know what I mean? That could be all these different options that you can get so many different fan bases such a national audience. And they just honestly, it's reminded me a lot of the MLB where it's just like, listen, man, it's on the tee. It's there. Just swing the bat. What the fuck are you doing,

Joe:

Well, football is key. Football is king. I should say football is king. And the NCAA sees these Alabama's Florida. State's Miami's I know I'm kind of dating myself here a little bit, but like the Georgia is like, they they're the ones that bring in the most money and it's like 20 it's like 20 schools or something like that. And all of division, one football league, FBS football, and there's 130 of them now bring in. Bringing a pro quote-unquote profit, like there's boosters and stuff like that. Sure. That's a different story, but there's this whole thing around the money of it. And then that's what motivates the NCAA because that's where they're getting their money from those schools, from the sponsors that, you know, from Tostito's, from, for, you know, from, from all of these bowls sponsors, they're not getting anything from the, you know, the, the Jimmy Kimmel bowl or whatever it like those, those are, those are lower level bowls, but Bobby and I, I don't say this as a disagreement. I actually say this as, as an agreement with you and off what you just said saying, it's the only sport in college athletics in the United States of America at any level that does not have playoff every conference is represented every conference and has an AICCU anyway, an automatic qualifier doesn't have a representative from every conference in the playoffs, only sport any level in college athletics and NCAA athletics. Cause there are, there is the NAA and, other organizations out there, it's the only one. and the FCS two division three, All have have those, those tournaments. Now, granted, a lot of times what happens and I'll use division three football, as an example, you get a situation where, um, so last year our Alma mater Dean college had joined conference and they were in a probationary period. So they could not win their conference last year, even though they did. So SUNY maritime college or maritime college in the state and the university of New York system, SUNY maritime is what we call it for short, uh, who was not very good ended up going to the playoffs because they were the defacto winner of their conference. got beat by Salsbury 83 to nothing.

Ray:

Jesus.

Joe:

that a, is that an argument for it at the division one level or against it, it's like, you never know anything could happen on any given Saturday in, in college football, right? Like teams from the Mac and the Sunbelt and the American conference could go in and surprise somebody. was the biggest thing where these, these schools are very like, well, we, uh, I don't know, again, to bring them up again, Deion Sanders has changed in the game. He brought in what, four or five of the top 10 recruit recruits in the country to Jackson ski. What do you, how does he even do that? He's pulling guys away FSU.

Ray:

Yup.

Bob:

That's all. That's all I need. He's just, he's just walking in his house. He's like, Hey, what's up? I'm prime time.

Ray:

it also helps when you go plug in one as well. So it helps,

Bob:

Yeah.

Joe:

whose is whose one of his co-ordinate was lovey Smith. One of his coordinators this year,

Ray:

I think so.

Joe:

somebody, some big name was one of his coordinators this year and the dude can do whatever he wants and he's going to do it. And that's just that, that's what I would love to see in college football is, is to see something, to, to echo Bobby from two minutes. I would love to see something other than LSU Bama, Georgia, like, yeah. Th the sec is going, oh yeah, look, we got the best teams in there. Well, yeah, of course you got the best teams in there. That's just the way it's gone. And you've gotten the most money at the end of the day, and you've got them richest boosters, and that's fine, but let's, let's level the playing field a little bit. Let's let Jackson state get in there in a couple of years and see what they can do with the top recruits in the country.

Bob:

Yeah.

Joe:

That's, that's my argument for it, but I don't think eight's enough, Bobby. That's the only part I would disagree with you on. I think they got to go to from every conference, which I, I, I did this out at one point, you where you got one from every conference, and then you had like, um, at large, like they do in college basketball, right? then you get teams that would still be the sec. And whatever in short, you want to, you want to make them a higher seat over college or whoever, again, when's the, you know, the, the big sky conference over Montana, fine, like make them, uh, make them a higher seat, but let these kids from Montana go out. And I mean, how do you think they find these quarterbacks and stuff? Let these kids get on the national stage and get an opportunity to make this Lenny that all these other kids are.

Bob:

And I'll tell you what I have watched more division one AA playoff games in my life than, than I can even count. And I've never watched a one AA, regular season football game ever in my entire life. Never watched one. Do you watch it because it's a playoff game because it's winning go home. It just brings a different atmosphere. It's a whole different thing. So yeah, I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's black to me. The DNC still doesn't do this to this day. And that's the last thing I say about that.

Joe:

It's funny how it would come down to us. And if you haven't heard their, their voices in a little while,

Bob:

They lost this

Joe:

Dave and Mike had to leave us in our hundredth episode with an asterisk. but it would, it would come down to the three of us talking college football, because I feel like we're the, we're the ones that actually have the knowledge on that. So we, we can, we can talk about that. So we'll have to do a college football show,

Bob:

it started with, uh, started with NFL and ended with a random NCA talk. I don't think there's anything that could fit our show more.

Joe:

No, absolutely not. And that was a complete tangent on the NCAA stuff. So we hope you all, you all enjoyed all of this. Um, but, uh, that, that is going to wrap it up for the hundredth episode of missing the point. we covered a lot of things. We reminisced a little bit, we all gave our feelings on what we thought about this and, know, one, one thing, none of us said, and I think it was fitting that we left it to the end. and, and I'll throw it in there now is that we, we literally, we look, we at numbers, we're stats, guys. We, seeing the download numbers, the, the, when we, you know, every time we hit a milestone, whether it's minor or major, we look at the numbers every day. those of you that download our episode, um, seemingly from Dorchester and, uh, south Florida, weird Ray, and Jamaica Uh, but, uh, it's, it's weird how that happens, but really we, we couldn't, we couldn't do this without all of you listening. And we know that we have a lot of people that have followed us from our Dean college days, a lot of family and friends that, that listen, but we also have a lot of people who, have, have picked up our, our podcasts, uh, from around the globe really. And have listened to us. Uh, and we, we really appreciate that. And families of, of all of, all of our families friends for listening and keeping up with us and enjoying our nonsense, uh, and understanding our, our weird relationships. Cause I think Dave and Mike is wrong. I don't think we hate each other. I think we slightly dislike each other. And uh, and then we tolerate each other because we all love sports. And like Mike said, we kinda grew up together, uh, in our formative years in college. So covered a lot here on this episode.

Bob:

Yeah, passionate man. Passionate.

Ray:

brotherhood is it? Ain't

Joe:

That's right.

Ray:

nowhere hate as a brother. That's all it is.

Joe:

it is weird that every time we get into it, Ray kind of just steps back. I, I, I don't, you know,

Ray:

not sure that that's just not me. Y'all y'all y'all know that by now. maybe the younger days I would have responded, but not, not now. I'm I'm

Joe:

he's, he's teach smart Mr. Mr. B's classes in session,

Ray:

That's right, exactly.

Joe:

Right. So it, it should, uh, it, it, uh, Th this, this should be a good one for you, Craig. Uh, but thank you all for downloading. Thank you all for listening. Thank you all for hanging out with us for over 18 months. Now, a lot has happened in our personal lives. A lot is happening in the world and we got a lot more coming for you in 2022. Uh, we appreciate you guys listening. It helps us keep us motivated to do this every week. Uh, and for Dave Clark, Mike mark, Angelo, Rayshawn Buchanan, the real BK, Bob Kelly, uh, and our EAP Craig D'Alessandro who, again, none of this happens without Craig. Just always remember that. I want you to record that and play it every morning. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. All right. All my knees. Uh, thank you. Thank you everyone for listening. This has been the hundredth episode and again, I'm Joe Malkin. This has been MTP. will talk to you on the next episode.