2025 NFL Power Rankings: Final 10 Teams Ranked, Debated, and Dissected

David Clarke: It's missing the point, it took 3 weeks! 15 00:01:12.820 --> 00:01:14.509 David Clarke: To rank all… 16 00:01:14.680 --> 00:01:26.249 David Clarke: well, it's about to take 3 weeks, we haven't actually started this last one yet. You know, the world could end. We might never actually get it done, guys. But we are power-ranking the NFL, the whole NFL, all 32 teams. 17 00:01:26.250 --> 00:01:35.269 David Clarke: We got all the way up to 10, we talked briefly about the Cincinnati Bengals at 10 at the end of last week's show. Last week, we had… Bobby and I had, Hollywood Ray Buchanan on, and this week… 18 00:01:35.930 --> 00:01:40.540 David Clarke: Mike Marc Angelo, triumphant return to the Power Ranking Show. Mike, welcome back! 19 00:01:40.690 --> 00:01:47.560 David Clarke: It's been since last season, since you've power ranked, either as a guest or filling in for Bob or myself. 20 00:01:48.050 --> 00:01:53.019 David Clarke: How you feeling about the NFL about to kick off, man? We're almost there. It's kind of our bread and butter here. 21 00:01:53.410 --> 00:02:01.580 Mike Marcangelo: I know, I'm so happy, like, it feels like… I don't know, for some reason, like, it's probably because of the Celtics, but this summer just felt so much longer. 22 00:02:01.580 --> 00:02:01.980 David Clarke: that long. 23 00:02:01.980 --> 00:02:08.169 Mike Marcangelo: like, more dead in terms of sports, takes than usual, but I'm so happy that football's back. 24 00:02:08.680 --> 00:02:11.679 Robert Kelly: Officially two weeks. Two weeks from tomorrow. 25 00:02:12.030 --> 00:02:19.609 David Clarke: Yeah, it's exciting stuff, honestly. I'm really looking forward to, watching football on Sundays again. It's, equally as elating 26 00:02:19.970 --> 00:02:23.720 David Clarke: When it kicks back off, as it is depressing when it ends. 27 00:02:24.760 --> 00:02:35.580 David Clarke: Mike, we gave Ray a little bit of a chance to talk about his and your New England Patriots, obviously, since Bobby and I get to talk about our teams as much as we want here on this show, or in Bobby's case, don't want. 28 00:02:35.610 --> 00:02:48.750 David Clarke: We… we… I wanted to only be fair and, see if you added… I don't know if you heard what we talked about with Ray. He, … I sort of set him up as, like, I devil's advocated in the negative. 29 00:02:48.980 --> 00:03:05.580 David Clarke: And, you know, sort of said, still a little worried about that wide receiving core. It's not that I don't think that, but it's also the feel-good factor that the Patriots had sort of leaving last season, despite not racking up a ton of wins, with Drake May clearly being pretty good, at the least, I would say. 30 00:03:05.590 --> 00:03:12.299 David Clarke: You did go and get an offensive line to put in front of him, so he's not gonna be running for his life, through the draft. 31 00:03:12.900 --> 00:03:30.260 David Clarke: the Bears did it in a little bit of a different way, so, you know, we could talk about that in comparison, if you want, of our two teams, but … how are you feeling? Just as an overall, how are you feeling optimistically? We don't want to talk about wins and losses here, because we do have… spoiler alert, everybody, we do have a prediction show coming next week, which we're always very excited about, all four of us do. 32 00:03:30.260 --> 00:03:40.409 Mike Marcangelo: predict the records of the various teams in their conferences, and we use it as a little bit of a friendly competition. Mike lost for the first time because of me, last season, but I hope to do better. 33 00:03:40.410 --> 00:03:47.160 David Clarke: I don't actually know how true that is, but I can understand, you know, just by the laws of probability. … 34 00:03:47.540 --> 00:03:54.280 David Clarke: So how are you feeling overall about the Patriots season? Are you optimistic? Are you cautiously optimistic? Are you worried? Pessimistic? Where are you? 35 00:03:54.900 --> 00:04:10.410 Mike Marcangelo: Yeah, so I'm definitely cautiously optimistic. I think you'd have to be just based off of the additions that they made on the defense, and with the offensive line of Will Campbell. I think he's still got the little alligator arms, everybody keeps saying, so I'm a little… I don't know if he could be a left tackle. 36 00:04:10.410 --> 00:04:27.220 Mike Marcangelo: for the duration of his career. But, one of the things that you talked to Ray about last week that I was mad that I couldn't be on the show to talk to you about was, you said, Patriot fans aren't expecting, like, Stephon Diggs to be the old Stephon Diggs, right? Like, that's not what we're thinking. 37 00:04:27.220 --> 00:04:29.200 David Clarke: Well, I was asking, it was more…. 38 00:04:29.200 --> 00:04:29.880 Mike Marcangelo: No, no stable. 39 00:04:29.880 --> 00:04:31.040 David Clarke: More of a question. 40 00:04:31.230 --> 00:04:42.029 Mike Marcangelo: And we're not. If he can be what he was on pace to be in Houston last year, which was something along the lines of, like, 70 catches, 900 yards, and 6 touchdowns. 41 00:04:42.130 --> 00:04:45.739 Mike Marcangelo: That's… that's the best that we've had since Edelman in 2019. 42 00:04:46.000 --> 00:05:01.690 Mike Marcangelo: And I think just having… he might not be a real number one in the NFL anymore, but he will attract your number one corner now. That should open up the lanes for guys like, you know, Pop Douglas, Kendrick Bourne, if he's still on the team, and others. 43 00:05:01.880 --> 00:05:08.690 Mike Marcangelo: I share your excitement, … over the running back, Henderson. 44 00:05:09.060 --> 00:05:10.990 Mike Marcangelo: Yeah, I really… but I…. 45 00:05:10.990 --> 00:05:11.490 David Clarke: I'm trying to tell you. 46 00:05:12.240 --> 00:05:13.250 Mike Marcangelo: Yeah, but… 47 00:05:13.460 --> 00:05:20.350 Mike Marcangelo: Gun to head, I still would have taken Luther Burden 10 times out of 10 over him, because that really solves the need. 48 00:05:20.760 --> 00:05:22.460 David Clarke: Yeah, yeah, I mean… 49 00:05:22.650 --> 00:05:36.719 David Clarke: It's been a little weird from a Bears perspective, if you're curious at all about how, like, Luther's been panning out, because it's been a little strange. He was late, he came back… came into camp late because of an injury that he was carrying over from his last college season. 50 00:05:36.910 --> 00:05:39.810 David Clarke: So he was a little slow to go on…. 51 00:05:39.810 --> 00:05:41.490 Mike Marcangelo: I saw him get that injury, by the way. 52 00:05:41.490 --> 00:05:56.469 David Clarke: Oh, really? Yeah, he, he… you know, so he's a little slow to go. The ease-in of Johnson's system has sort of made it so that, like, we're not really getting any actual previews of what the offense is gonna look like, it seems. 53 00:05:56.790 --> 00:06:03.939 David Clarke: other than, like, quick progressions and the ball leaving Caleb's hands quickly, what I will say is, he blocks… 54 00:06:04.220 --> 00:06:16.950 David Clarke: like a fucking Mack truck. The few, like, highlight plays, he's had some decent catches in the preseason and in camp, … but he, man, he just runs it, guys. Like, he really is absolutely out there blocking like a lineman. 55 00:06:17.070 --> 00:06:27.739 David Clarke: Obviously, you get a little bit of an… like, he plays like he's 5'10", and he's not. He's 6'2", and I really like and respect that about him. He's, like, a little bit of a spitfire. 56 00:06:27.830 --> 00:06:42.099 David Clarke: That being said, we have fucking wide receivers coming out of our goddamn eyes right now. I really wish you and I could, like, sit down and, like, have the two teams, chat. We have OZ, who we got from, Washington last year, who they loved him over there. 57 00:06:42.100 --> 00:06:48.110 David Clarke: He capped off a great preseason touchdown drive on the first drive of the season for the Bears. 58 00:06:48.710 --> 00:07:02.820 David Clarke: We have Tyler Scott, who's, like, a pretty good plug-and-play, like, gadget guy. We have Luther Burden, we have DJ Moore, we have Roma Dunze. It seems like Colston Loveland is a wide receiver, basically. We have Cole Komet. So… 59 00:07:02.850 --> 00:07:19.830 David Clarke: I would love if we had, like, a little bit more of a registered backfield, that we, you know, like, we have DeAndre Swift, but… and every down guy, you know? I think he's probably gonna use DeAndre Swift correctly this year, even though we haven't seen any of him in camp at all, really anything. I don't know what the deal is there. 60 00:07:19.910 --> 00:07:20.840 David Clarke: But… 61 00:07:21.210 --> 00:07:39.720 David Clarke: Yeah, I mean, I love having Luther Burden, and I love that he clearly is gonna be the kind of wide receiver I love to watch. Probably, eventually, a DJ Moore replacement is the thinking, you know, like, and the timing there is great. What I will say, though, is I would love… I would take Ramondre from you guys. If this was fantasy, I would take Ramondre from you guys. 62 00:07:40.020 --> 00:07:46.200 David Clarke: if we could do a little bit of a deal, if you wanted, like, a little bit of wide receiver help, it seems like we could help each other out here. … 63 00:07:46.260 --> 00:08:02.590 David Clarke: Yeah, I am really jealous of Trey Anderson, though. I knew he was gonna be, like, that dude, just based on my draft research and who I wanted the Bears to get. Where I thought he would fall to fall is a little bit of an extreme, but you know what I mean? Like, the way that, … 64 00:08:02.770 --> 00:08:09.639 David Clarke: The way that the draft class was, like, sort of going, he was never gonna be the worst… the first, running back picked. 65 00:08:09.830 --> 00:08:16.100 David Clarke: I kind of figured we could get them early in the second, and we were one pick away. You guys scooped them from us just one… one pick before our… 66 00:08:16.250 --> 00:08:17.869 David Clarke: Yeah, yeah, you guys went first. 67 00:08:17.870 --> 00:08:19.230 Mike Marcangelo: It was one package. 68 00:08:19.230 --> 00:08:27.219 David Clarke: Yeah, you guys went first, you grabbed him, so we took Burden, which I think was a best available player move, because I kind of think we were gonna draft Trite, but… 69 00:08:27.530 --> 00:08:44.030 David Clarke: I don't know, I mean, I guess we were left… it's like a good compromise, you know? Like, a great deal is when both part… neither party walks away happy, right? So, like, we didn't get exactly what we wanted, the two of us, but we both seem to get really good, competent players that are hopefully gonna have impacts on our team for a long time. 70 00:08:44.420 --> 00:09:00.049 Mike Marcangelo: And I… coming out of the last preseason game for the Patriots, like, obviously, Henderson was a great standout, but, Chisholm, the wide receiver, like, if he could be that, and if that is something doable. 71 00:09:00.050 --> 00:09:09.650 Mike Marcangelo: then I'm okay. Like, he seemed a little bit like a hybrid between Amendola and maybe a little bit of Edelman. That's high praise, but, like, again. 72 00:09:09.650 --> 00:09:13.350 David Clarke: It could be ceiling for one preseason performance, but yeah, sure. 73 00:09:13.350 --> 00:09:13.710 Mike Marcangelo: That's…. 74 00:09:13.710 --> 00:09:17.530 David Clarke: He's basically Amendola and Edelman combined, I know, I watched him in the…. 75 00:09:17.530 --> 00:09:33.139 Mike Marcangelo: That's what… I mean, so this is why I get so upset with myself about the preseason, because then I start listening to other podcasts, and even Edelman was like, he was more like me than he was Amendola. If he could do that, like, they're gonna be set up for success. And I'm like, fuck. 76 00:09:33.160 --> 00:09:38.780 Mike Marcangelo: could he be that? You know? But we'll see. This is why I love and hate criticism. 77 00:09:39.040 --> 00:09:53.250 David Clarke: So what would be… what would be the ceiling, and I don't mean wins and losses, I just mean, like, circumstance, like, you know, the sort of narrative, the movie that plays out for the Patriots' 25-26 season. What would be… what would be your ceiling, and what would be, like, your biggest worry? 78 00:09:53.960 --> 00:10:02.180 Mike Marcangelo: That you're vying for a playoff spot in December, so you're playing meaningful football again for the first time in, like, 3 years. …. 79 00:10:02.180 --> 00:10:02.760 David Clarke: I don't know. 80 00:10:03.690 --> 00:10:04.990 Mike Marcangelo: Yeah, and the biggest word…. 81 00:10:04.990 --> 00:10:07.120 David Clarke: Oh, three whole years? Must have been tough. 82 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:14.659 Mike Marcangelo: Just remember, two of those seasons, you had the quote-unquote, the greatest head coach of all time. Now, I would say the biggest worry would be that. 83 00:10:14.660 --> 00:10:18.339 David Clarke: Not quote-unquote, like, he is the greatest head coach of all time. 84 00:10:18.340 --> 00:10:20.830 Mike Marcangelo: That the line… isn't… 85 00:10:21.050 --> 00:10:30.940 Mike Marcangelo: good, and Will Campbell doesn't… it cannot be a left tackle. I think he… I think he's got that dog in him. I think he wants to be, like, he's gritty, for sure, but, … 86 00:10:31.290 --> 00:10:46.709 Mike Marcangelo: if you… if you took… if you spent your, you know, your third overall pick on a guy that can't actually play the position the way that you need him to, then you're just gonna set up that quarterback, for… for more failure. And I just want to be the person to point out, I'm a Patriot fan, I really like Drake May. 87 00:10:46.900 --> 00:10:48.289 Mike Marcangelo: He's 2 and 9. 88 00:10:48.770 --> 00:10:51.510 Mike Marcangelo: Like, and he makes really bad mistakes. 89 00:10:51.850 --> 00:11:08.879 Mike Marcangelo: highlighted again in that preseason… in that preseason game, when all I needed to do was just… just slide, just go down, but he fumbles, or he'll throw errant passes. So I want to get that out of the way, too. But yeah, I say ceiling, you're playing for a wildcard spot, for your 4-13 again. 90 00:11:09.420 --> 00:11:10.500 David Clarke: Yeah, I mean… 91 00:11:10.670 --> 00:11:21.559 David Clarke: I just think… I just think it's not gonna… I know that why your brain is going to, like, Will Campbell left tackle, what's he gonna do for Drake May? And I understand how important the quarterback position is in football, like, don't yell at me here, but… 92 00:11:21.660 --> 00:11:31.509 David Clarke: you got Mike Vrabel, you know? Like, what that offense is gonna look like is actually gonna be a lot more predicated on how he can run block Will Campbell, and what he can do for… go ahead, Bob. 93 00:11:31.510 --> 00:11:35.190 Robert Kelly: Remember how he won with Ryan Tannehill as his quarterback? 94 00:11:35.740 --> 00:11:36.420 Robert Kelly: So…. 95 00:11:36.420 --> 00:11:37.980 Mike Marcangelo: And Derrick Henry has his running back. 96 00:11:38.390 --> 00:11:53.650 David Clarke: Yeah, I mean, he doesn't have a Derrick Henry, obviously. He doesn't have a Derrick Henry, but my point is more… it's not, oh, it's gonna look like it looked in Tennessee, because, you know, the best running back in the NFL was playing for Tennessee at the time. But, I think… 97 00:11:53.870 --> 00:12:05.110 David Clarke: I was making this point about Mike McDaniel. Vrabel really smacks of the coach that's gonna really come into his own as a coach in his second stint somewhere, because… 98 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:24.180 David Clarke: all of the things that I… like, I don't know if you guys remember this, because it was, like, 9 major arguments ago in our overall relationship, but I actually used to shit on the Titans when we first started this podcast, because I was like, it's not a tenable playoff structure. I just don't think that you can win meaningful playoff games repeatedly with 99 00:12:24.390 --> 00:12:39.870 David Clarke: a, frankly, overworked Derrick Henry every time you get to the first round of the playoffs, and make no mistake, Vrabel's teams were playing right away in the playoffs, each one of those years, so it's… it's for obvious divisional reasons. So, the… 100 00:12:39.950 --> 00:12:44.499 David Clarke: it's… this isn't necessarily a criticism of Rabel overall, because I do think that the things that… 101 00:12:44.650 --> 00:12:48.709 David Clarke: He… yes, he doesn't have Derrick Henry, I get that, but the things that he needed to fix… 102 00:12:48.850 --> 00:12:57.000 David Clarke: are there to be fixed, and also, he… he was working with what he had in Tennessee. You know, I mean, he was using the weapons he was given. 103 00:12:57.000 --> 00:13:11.270 David Clarke: This team feels a little bit more like it's gonna be driven by his identity. It's gonna be more of a Rabel team right off the bat. So, in that sort of Dan Campbell school of rah-rah football, identity-building, culture-building football. 104 00:13:11.440 --> 00:13:17.339 David Clarke: at the end of the day, that's how the Patriots have always played, right? I mean, it might have been a little bit more… 105 00:13:17.660 --> 00:13:32.379 David Clarke: board meeting, you know, down the middle, do your job, this is our whole thing, but it was still a philosophy, right? It was still a way to play football. It was still a culture-based… it was a culture based on winning, but it was a culture-based team. 106 00:13:32.400 --> 00:13:38.300 David Clarke: And I think that, for obvious reasons, you know, Mike Vrabel being an ex… 107 00:13:38.430 --> 00:13:47.529 David Clarke: legend, I would say. He's probably a legend. He's an ex-player that played there. He's a big deal for the New England Patriots as a man within that organization already. 108 00:13:47.760 --> 00:13:57.970 David Clarke: That gravitas aside, I think that just the idea of him coming into his second year as a head coach, or his second stint, I'm sorry, as a head coach, is… 109 00:13:59.030 --> 00:14:10.290 David Clarke: it's meat and potatoes for a guy like that, because I think that he's gonna improve on the things that he didn't do that well. Up to and including basing his entire identity on the run. 110 00:14:10.850 --> 00:14:21.650 David Clarke: That being said, I think you're one, you're gonna run the football a shitload. I think you're gonna run it a shitload while Drake May, like, comes into his zone, and while your offensive line gets out of their short pants. So, I think… 111 00:14:21.890 --> 00:14:35.430 David Clarke: just for this season, my opinion on it would be, just to get it on record, because if it happens, then I can be like, I was right, and if it doesn't, I'll say nothing. But you may bring it up. I think you're gonna run the ball a lot, and I think that that… 112 00:14:35.580 --> 00:14:37.259 David Clarke: is gonna show… 113 00:14:38.270 --> 00:14:49.499 David Clarke: you know, you're gonna then see the things that you want to see out of your Patriots team, so it's not gonna be as much about wins and losses as it is about, okay, this is something we can build from, because… 114 00:14:49.710 --> 00:14:57.029 David Clarke: You and Ray have this argument all the time, like, oh, well, what year of the rebuild is it? It's year one. It's year one of the rebuild, in my opinion. 100%. 115 00:14:57.030 --> 00:14:57.430 Mike Marcangelo: Yeah. 116 00:14:57.430 --> 00:15:08.640 David Clarke: when it's, Mike Vrabel. I get it. I understand, like, where everybody's coming from with this whole, like, well, we've been rebuilding for X… and it's like, yeah, well, not with Mayo as your head coach. So, … 117 00:15:08.640 --> 00:15:19.580 David Clarke: Bobby, same question to you. If you were a Patriots fan, what would be your biggest worry? What is the ceiling for that Pats team? And also, which one do you rate higher, between Henderson and Luther Byrd? Which one would you have wanted? 118 00:15:20.230 --> 00:15:21.110 Robert Kelly: No, yeah. 119 00:15:21.320 --> 00:15:28.530 Robert Kelly: I would pay trivia on Henderson, because I think you can actually rely on him on offense. I think you can build an offense around him. … 120 00:15:28.710 --> 00:15:32.380 Robert Kelly: Because I really think he's a bell cow running back, he was that a… 121 00:15:32.670 --> 00:15:39.199 Robert Kelly: Ohio State, and they won a championship. So I picked Travion Henderson overburdened, I think. … 122 00:15:39.310 --> 00:15:50.170 Robert Kelly: The ceiling for the pass this year, as Mike said, it all relies on an offensive line. If Drake May gets protected, and he has a wide receiver 1 now, or I guess a 1A in digs. 123 00:15:50.170 --> 00:15:50.790 Mike Marcangelo: Yeah. 124 00:15:50.790 --> 00:15:51.950 Robert Kelly: I think… 125 00:15:52.090 --> 00:16:04.360 Robert Kelly: the ceiling is high for them. I think they could… 9 wins? 10 wins? I mean, I know we're trying to stay away from win totals, but, I would say 9 or 10… 9 or 10 wins in the playoffs is the ceiling for them, in my opinion. 126 00:16:04.360 --> 00:16:05.260 David Clarke: Bob! 127 00:16:06.250 --> 00:16:10.070 Mike Marcangelo: But also, the thing that concerns me about the… Does that… 128 00:16:10.500 --> 00:16:16.759 Mike Marcangelo: He is, like, he's everything that you want him to be, but he's never been a 3-down running back. 129 00:16:17.020 --> 00:16:17.929 Mike Marcangelo: He isn't. 130 00:16:18.090 --> 00:16:26.060 Mike Marcangelo: Till now! Yeah, so, like, they're always gonna need to have another compliment, which is fine. If that's what Ramondre's gonna be, great. 131 00:16:26.060 --> 00:16:32.710 David Clarke: I mean, that opens up Ramondre so much. I think he's exactly the kind of running back that needs to touch the ball significantly less, because that… 132 00:16:32.930 --> 00:16:33.890 David Clarke: … 133 00:16:34.260 --> 00:16:42.230 David Clarke: It's what I always wanted from the Steelers' backfield, I don't know how much of them you watched over the past couple years, but I always wanted Najee to be the second choice. 134 00:16:42.550 --> 00:16:52.889 David Clarke: And then, eventually, I wanted him to be the non-choice, at all, because he stinks. But the way that they had that, backfield set up, I really just wish they had, like, flipped, 135 00:16:52.910 --> 00:17:08.219 David Clarke: flip touches, and they just… I thought Arthur Smith was gonna do it, and they just didn't. I think it's obvious, just because of the massive talent disparity, or even just stock value disparity between Henderson and Ramondre, that, you know, we know who's gonna get the most touches. That being said. 136 00:17:08.730 --> 00:17:20.240 David Clarke: I don't know, what is Henderson's ceiling as a third down running back in a first-year offensive system? Like, I don't think they're gonna, like, hang him out to dry to be, like, doing gadget shit all the time on third down. 137 00:17:20.339 --> 00:17:33.850 David Clarke: Drake May is gonna still have to throw the ball in, like, third and medium and third and long situations. Ramondre can come in there on first and second down, he can get in there for blocking, he can get in there for decoys. It's just… it's just a healthier situation, I think, in your backfield overall, despite. 138 00:17:33.850 --> 00:17:34.180 Mike Marcangelo: Yep. 139 00:17:34.180 --> 00:17:52.039 David Clarke: Like, if you leave aside the idea that, yeah, obviously your talent level in your backfield's gone up, I just think the two kinds of running backs you now have complement each other really well, and I think they complement Vrabel's system. So I would actually honestly be optimistic. I was just kind of trying to fuck with Ray a little bit to get a rise out of him last week, but… 140 00:17:52.350 --> 00:17:56.399 David Clarke: Yeah, I'd probably be optimistic, except for that wide receiver core, man. I don't know, like… 141 00:17:56.780 --> 00:18:13.609 David Clarke: I hope that you're game-managing a lot, and you're not, like, trying to come from behind to win, where you need people to make, like, big plays. I think that I would be a little bit worried about. I hope you can, like, win a lot of 17-14s. That would be my wish for you, because I think that's what it, like, looks like going into this Patriots season. 142 00:18:14.480 --> 00:18:20.259 Robert Kelly: Well, Josh is back in town, so you know you're gonna see a lot of bubble screens, and a lot of short passing game out of him. 143 00:18:20.260 --> 00:18:22.499 David Clarke: I mean, do you mind him as an offensive coordinator? 144 00:18:23.080 --> 00:18:23.770 Robert Kelly: I don't. 145 00:18:23.770 --> 00:18:24.190 Mike Marcangelo: Which is one of. 146 00:18:24.190 --> 00:18:30.710 Robert Kelly: As an OC, he's a good… he's a good OC. Because, like, also, last time… last time he was an OC, like, was that the worst? 147 00:18:30.950 --> 00:18:36.649 David Clarke: for the Patriots, was that the worst personnel he ever was the offensive coordinator with? Like, I think that…. 148 00:18:36.650 --> 00:18:38.570 Mike Marcangelo: And they went… and they went 10-7. 149 00:18:38.570 --> 00:18:39.020 David Clarke: Yeah. 150 00:18:39.020 --> 00:18:40.050 Mike Marcangelo: made a playoff Oh, yeah. 151 00:18:40.050 --> 00:18:41.360 Robert Kelly: with Mac, right? 152 00:18:41.360 --> 00:18:59.470 David Clarke: Yeah, so it's like, you know, to me, I'm like, hmm, that… that to me is, like, a really good sign for your offense. And I also think he's still pretty modern in his thinking. I mean, I know long gone are the days where McDaniels was the foremost offensive mind in the NFL, especially considering, like. 153 00:18:59.610 --> 00:19:18.029 David Clarke: the crop of offensive coaches we've been given over the past decade, right? But I still think there's a lot to be done with a Josh McDaniels offense. I don't think it's outdated or outmoded by any stretch, so… I wouldn't be super upset about having him. I know he can be frustrating, and I don't trust Pfizer coaches, but that's mainly a head coach rule. 154 00:19:18.030 --> 00:19:22.939 David Clarke: If you wear a visor as a head coach, I defy you to find me a successful advisor coach. 155 00:19:23.130 --> 00:19:24.249 David Clarke: I defy you. 156 00:19:24.250 --> 00:19:25.860 Mike Marcangelo: We've tried this before, we couldn't. 157 00:19:25.860 --> 00:19:36.860 David Clarke: Yeah, it's… if you were an advisor, that's it. You've consigned your coaching career to the depths of hell. Alright, well, we also talked, briefly, Mike, I think this will start with our little overlap here, … 158 00:19:37.390 --> 00:19:49.500 David Clarke: We talked briefly about the Green Bay Packers, because they were number 10, and I fucking hate them. And we had this really fun conversation at the end of the show where, I told Ray that Jordan Love was not… 159 00:19:49.560 --> 00:20:08.199 David Clarke: he was about the 15th best QB in the league. I was like, I think I can name 14 guys better than him. We came… we got 10 solid, like, unimpeachable QBs that are better than Jordan Love, and then we got, like, a few maybes. Is that a correct assumption, or assessment of the situation, Bobby? We got a few, like, debatables, like, here and there. And quite frankly. 160 00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:11.839 Robert Kelly: Yeah, there was a few maybes, but yeah, we got to at least 10, I think. 161 00:20:11.840 --> 00:20:25.690 David Clarke: Yeah, quite frankly, honestly, I didn't even bring up Caleb Williams in the Jordan Love debate, but I could have said, not that I did, and not that I'm saying it now, but I could have said the last time they played, Caleb won. 162 00:20:25.810 --> 00:20:40.890 David Clarke: And that was in a dumpster fire of an offensive situation, and it was an important game for the Packers to win for their season, so it wasn't as if there was nothing to play for. And, he's looked pretty fucking foxy in the preseason, I have to say, and I think he has a… he has a real coach now. 163 00:20:40.890 --> 00:20:52.189 David Clarke: So, we'll see. If I believe Caleb Williams is having a better year than Jordan Love by, like, week one and a half, I will immediately not shut the fuck up about it. And I'm… I don't think that's what 164 00:20:52.570 --> 00:21:06.909 David Clarke: too terribly unrealistic. Like, if you were ranking the QBs, like, where would you put Williams right now? Because he's such an unknown, you'd put him in the middle of the pack, right? He'd be in the 15 to 17 range, I assume. Like, I don't know if it'd be, like, that much higher or that much lower for either of you. I don't… 165 00:21:07.090 --> 00:21:09.500 David Clarke: Well, I mean, you're giving me a look, would it be? 166 00:21:10.710 --> 00:21:15.870 Mike Marcangelo: Well, he would definitely be behind Jordan Love. Like, so… because…. 167 00:21:15.870 --> 00:21:17.029 David Clarke: I guess. 168 00:21:17.460 --> 00:21:18.060 Mike Marcangelo: Just based on…. 169 00:21:18.060 --> 00:21:25.759 David Clarke: Yeah, but in a what, like, which one would you rather have in your franchise question, if you frame the question that way? Are you still picking. 170 00:21:25.760 --> 00:21:34.770 Mike Marcangelo: I would rather have Jordan Love with the off… with the offensive situation that Caleb Williams has in Chicago than having Caleb Williams dead. 171 00:21:35.260 --> 00:21:37.679 David Clarke: Hmm… I don't agree. Bobby? 172 00:21:37.680 --> 00:21:39.010 Mike Marcangelo: You would… you would too. 173 00:21:39.200 --> 00:21:40.070 Robert Kelly: I would rather have. 174 00:21:40.070 --> 00:21:41.019 David Clarke: God, no. 175 00:21:41.360 --> 00:21:46.730 Robert Kelly: I would rather have the perspective of Jordan Love's 2025 season than Caleb Williams. 176 00:21:47.030 --> 00:21:48.090 Mike Marcangelo: For sure. 177 00:21:48.090 --> 00:21:59.649 Robert Kelly: I just think the projections for 2025 are a little bit higher than what Caleb's gonna do. The ceiling is higher. Overall, for career, or, like, franchise-wise, it's Caleb, for sure. 178 00:21:59.820 --> 00:22:02.149 David Clarke: Yeah, I mean, I… not for nothing, but… 179 00:22:02.540 --> 00:22:09.190 David Clarke: One guy… don't look this up, I just want you to guess which one's which. One guy had 25 touchdowns and 11 picks. 180 00:22:09.800 --> 00:22:18.729 David Clarke: And 3,389 yards. One guy had 20 touchdowns and 6 picks, and 3,541 yards. Which one would you think is which? 181 00:22:19.940 --> 00:22:21.739 David Clarke: Caleb was the second one. Yeah. 182 00:22:22.370 --> 00:22:25.730 David Clarke: So he threw for more yards, and 5 less picks. 183 00:22:25.920 --> 00:22:34.770 David Clarke: And again, a fucking horrible offensive situation. Like, a really terrible coaching situation, coach fired halfway through the lead. 184 00:22:35.840 --> 00:22:39.150 Mike Marcangelo: Personnel-wise, it's a better offensive situation than it was in Green Bay. 185 00:22:39.320 --> 00:22:39.860 David Clarke: Now…. 186 00:22:39.860 --> 00:22:40.880 Mike Marcangelo: Like, now…. 187 00:22:40.880 --> 00:22:41.750 Robert Kelly: Agreed. 188 00:22:41.960 --> 00:22:51.520 David Clarke: Last year, he was the most safe quarterback in NFL history, Caleb Williams, and he still had comparable numbers to Jordan Love. Like, I mean, honestly, I don't even think this is that big of an argument from my perspective. 189 00:22:51.520 --> 00:22:57.450 Robert Kelly: The wide receiver… the wide rece… what he was throwing to in Green Bay was a lot less than what he had. 190 00:22:57.450 --> 00:23:00.860 Mike Marcangelo: Yeah, it's… you can't compare those two things. 191 00:23:00.860 --> 00:23:02.419 David Clarke: I don't know, I mean, like, DJ Moo 192 00:23:02.880 --> 00:23:21.300 David Clarke: DJ Moore was, like, walking off the fucking league. He was, like, watching off the fucking… walking off the field. DJ Moore was just walking off the fucking field at, like, halfway through, like, shitty plays. Fucking Shane Waldron was, like, the worst offensive coordinator in the league last year. Caleb Williams got sacked more than any other quarterback ever in a single season, and he still put those numbers up, like, I… 193 00:23:21.300 --> 00:23:24.039 David Clarke: If it's a… which one would you rather have? I… 194 00:23:24.040 --> 00:23:27.630 David Clarke: I know which one I'm picking, and yeah, I get I'm biased, but like… 195 00:23:27.650 --> 00:23:37.209 David Clarke: I don't know. Shouldn't his numbers be way better, the way you guys are talking about it? Shouldn't Jordan Love's numbers be way higher than… than 5 more touchdowns and 5 more picks? 196 00:23:37.210 --> 00:23:44.949 Mike Marcangelo: Yeah, I agree. If Jordan Love had the exact same wide receivers to throw to, his numbers would have been higher. 197 00:23:46.000 --> 00:23:49.999 David Clarke: That's… I mean, if he had the same offensive line, I don't know if they would have been. 198 00:23:50.090 --> 00:23:53.750 David Clarke: To be honest. I think he would have been… I think he would have been in the fuckin'… 199 00:23:53.840 --> 00:24:03.299 David Clarke: … physio room by week 3, if he had Caleb Williams' offensive line. I don't think he's… I don't think he's durable enough to have an offensive line that bent on getting him killed. 200 00:24:03.320 --> 00:24:19.670 David Clarke: But yeah, I mean, listen, not every single one of those sacks were the Lions' fault. A significant number of them were. Caleb is a rookie QB, like, there was games where he really stunk the place out, for sure. He also made, like, a lot of big, big boy throws, and I really think in an offense. 201 00:24:19.670 --> 00:24:24.809 Mike Marcangelo: Wasn't it the… wasn't it the season opener against Jacksonville when he threw for, like, 97 yards? 202 00:24:24.810 --> 00:24:32.499 David Clarke: Our season opener, our season opener was against Tennessee, I think, and we won that game. Yeah, Jacksonville, 203 00:24:33.190 --> 00:24:35.569 David Clarke: Yeah. Appreciate it, yeah. 204 00:24:35.570 --> 00:24:37.180 Mike Marcangelo: He threw for, like, 97 yards. 205 00:24:37.380 --> 00:24:55.670 David Clarke: Yeah, there was a… there was a bad, offensive game in there, or one or two, but Matt Uberflus was the coach, and Shane Waldron was the fucking offensive coordinator, and it was, again, the worst offensive line in the NFL. And I just think you can understand something like that, right? Considering you didn't even want… you didn't even want Drake May to see the field. 206 00:24:55.670 --> 00:25:06.890 David Clarke: For most of the year last year, because you thought he was gonna get absolutely axe-murdered out there. So, I'm just saying, it's… like, the way… the tenor in which you guys are talking about it, you sound very sure, and I… I am… I know I'm… 207 00:25:06.930 --> 00:25:14.549 David Clarke: I'm trying so fucking hard not to, like, go intense on the bears and be, like, really, really optimistic, because it's, like, hurt me so many times. 208 00:25:14.550 --> 00:25:29.480 David Clarke: But it's hard for me to not, like, really try to put my money where my mouth is on this Jordan Love v. Caleb Williams thing, because I already can tell I'm not gonna shut up about it. Like, I already can tell, unless it goes, like, really badly in my direction, in which case I'll try to pretend this conversation never happened, but the… 209 00:25:29.530 --> 00:25:38.380 David Clarke: it, like, I think I'm gonna be on it. Like, on a week-to-week basis, I think that this is the quarterback comp that I, wanna be making for the year, so I'm glad we had this discussion. 210 00:25:38.380 --> 00:25:50.590 David Clarke: You seem… you seem really sure. Gone are the days where we both hated the Packers QB. I guess you were doing it for real analytical reasons, and I was doing it because fuck the Packers. That makes sense. 211 00:25:50.590 --> 00:25:52.289 Mike Marcangelo: Well, and Aaron Rodgers. 212 00:25:52.290 --> 00:25:53.180 David Clarke: Yeah, we both hate the…. 213 00:25:53.180 --> 00:25:53.610 Mike Marcangelo: It's been a lot. 214 00:25:53.610 --> 00:26:09.500 David Clarke: Steelers QB now, so that'll be a fun through line as the years go on. Bobby, I, gone are the days that you and I were loving the Bears QB, when it was Justin Fields. You're obviously fucking out on Caleb Williams, so you're dead to me. 215 00:26:09.500 --> 00:26:19.250 David Clarke: That's completely fine. That's just gonna be the tone of this, of this year's power rankings. I lost a lot of friends along the way. That's war, though. That's war, guys. 216 00:26:19.250 --> 00:26:26.990 Robert Kelly: Listen, I gave… I gave you guys a very generous 15th ranking coming into this year, ahead of… ahead of some very quality teams, to be. 217 00:26:26.990 --> 00:26:30.459 David Clarke: Yeah, and then you put the Packers at 10, you cunt. 218 00:26:30.840 --> 00:26:45.230 David Clarke: It took 5 places for me to realize… To it all turned sour. I mean, I, you know, the whole Jordan Love thing started because I was just talking shit about the Packers in general. I was like, I think you could put the Broncos, the Chargers, or the Vikings above them. 219 00:26:45.230 --> 00:27:04.479 David Clarke: For any multitude of reasons on the power rankings, if it were me. The Vikings, in the fact that they always have a better record than the Packers over the last 5 years, like, literally every single time, this would be the first time in, what, like, a decade plus? The Broncos, for obvious reasons, as much as I don't like Sean Payton, being down on them didn't work out for me last year, so… 220 00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:24.510 David Clarke: the Bo Nix of it all, we'll, like, see how it goes. People are pretty high on them. And then the Chargers, it's year two Harbaugh, you know? And I feel like there's been a collective beginning of Justin Herbert from both me and you, Bob, and yet you stabbed him in the heart, and poured Jordan Love and the fucking Green Bay Packers over him. I mean, it was devastating when I read it at first. I couldn't wait to get there. 221 00:27:24.790 --> 00:27:26.110 David Clarke: We'll see how it goes. 222 00:27:26.650 --> 00:27:44.850 Robert Kelly: I just think, last year they went 11-6 with literally one of the worst wide receiver rooms I've ever seen in my life. And they added Matthew Golden. They added Matthew Golden, who I think is gonna be one of the better wide receiver rookies in the league this year. I'm really high on him. I'm definitely picking him in my Dynasty League, no doubt about that. But… 223 00:27:44.850 --> 00:27:51.660 Robert Kelly: I just… I see a lot of high things coming out of the Packers this year. I think Halfley is gonna improve that. 224 00:27:51.660 --> 00:27:58.899 David Clarke: I see a lot of high things coming out, too. Falutin, as usual, they're gonna be high falutin, they're gonna be high on their own supply. 225 00:27:59.070 --> 00:28:10.440 David Clarke: They're gonna be high on my list of enemies. I see a lot of high things coming out as well, my friend. I have to be high to talk about them, because otherwise I'm just, in a rage. Sorry, I interrupted your flow. Go ahead. 226 00:28:11.830 --> 00:28:30.799 Robert Kelly: the only downside of the defense is to lose Jair Alexander out of the secondary, which is gonna be tough to replace. But I think Halfley's a great coordinator. I think he has the bones to do it. So, I just see them a little higher than the teams above them on the list because of what they did last year, and the improvements they made this… coming into the year. 227 00:28:31.770 --> 00:28:32.630 David Clarke: Fine. 228 00:28:32.860 --> 00:28:34.899 David Clarke: Mike, do you think it's fine that they're at 10? 229 00:28:35.880 --> 00:28:38.890 David Clarke: Any of those 3 teams I named, would you put them above them? 230 00:28:39.630 --> 00:28:43.260 Mike Marcangelo: I would… no, I think… I think the Packers are actually right where they're supposed to be. 231 00:28:43.280 --> 00:28:44.959 David Clarke: Oh my god, fuck you guys. 232 00:28:45.510 --> 00:28:47.309 David Clarke: This is gonna be a long fulfilling. 233 00:28:48.110 --> 00:28:52.710 Mike Marcangelo: Just to be clear, I didn't say I thought the bears were where they're supposed to be. You didn't ask me about that. 234 00:28:52.710 --> 00:28:57.760 David Clarke: You think they should have been, lower ranked, higher, higher up on the power rankings, I assume? 235 00:28:57.760 --> 00:29:04.230 Mike Marcangelo: Yeah, yeah, I would have put them somewhere along the lines of, like, yeah, 12. I would take the Bears over… 236 00:29:04.420 --> 00:29:07.189 Mike Marcangelo: Over Denver, over Minnesota, over Houston. 237 00:29:07.320 --> 00:29:10.620 David Clarke: Oh, like, oh, you would have them… you would have them better than those teams. 238 00:29:10.620 --> 00:29:12.019 Mike Marcangelo: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 239 00:29:12.020 --> 00:29:22.679 David Clarke: Wow, that's interesting. Now, I… that almost freaks me out a little bit, I don't like that. Let's… let's all just, like, tamp down expectations. I… I almost was a little freaked out on, like… The thing is, right, is, like. 240 00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:26.430 Mike Marcangelo: So, just to be clear, that was the definition of a lose-lose for me, right? 241 00:29:27.400 --> 00:29:28.420 Robert Kelly: No matter what easily. 242 00:29:28.420 --> 00:29:37.019 Mike Marcangelo: Because you were like, oh, you had them ranked, like, closer to 20? Yeah, great, fuck them. And then I'm like, no, actually, I think they're gonna be better. Oh, that sucks, that scares me. Just don't say that. 243 00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:49.100 David Clarke: Yeah, what you're hearing is called a trauma response. It's really not, your fault. It's just… it's just… they just haven't been legitimately good since 2012. 244 00:29:49.460 --> 00:29:55.579 David Clarke: And even then, they fucking came up short. So, you know, Jay Cutler in the NFC Championship. 245 00:29:55.830 --> 00:29:58.580 Mike Marcangelo: … Was that 2012? I thought that was 2010. 246 00:29:58.580 --> 00:30:07.850 David Clarke: 2010, yeah, 2010. But then, that team was still around. It got blown up in 2012. So, can you guys hear my dog? Is that obnoxious? Should I tell her to shut up? 247 00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:11.459 Mike Marcangelo: I don't know if that will work, but you do what you need to do. 248 00:30:14.540 --> 00:30:16.250 David Clarke: Talk amongst yourselves for a second. 249 00:30:18.060 --> 00:30:22.739 Mike Marcangelo: I just… I… I don't understand the hate… 250 00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:30.900 Mike Marcangelo: Well, I… minus the fact that it's a… it's a Packer quarterback, but, like, Bobby, you and I should be on the same page here with, with… 251 00:30:31.070 --> 00:30:32.990 Mike Marcangelo: with Jordan Love. I think… 252 00:30:33.930 --> 00:30:42.890 Mike Marcangelo: If you give him Roma Doomsday instead of Christian Watson or Romeo Dobbs, who is healthy every other game. 253 00:30:43.060 --> 00:30:45.310 Mike Marcangelo: He probably throws 4,000 yards last year. 254 00:30:45.990 --> 00:31:00.429 Robert Kelly: Agreed, agree. Plus, I think he finally has an offensive line that's gonna keep him healthy this year, and if, Jordan Love healthy for 16 games, or 17 games now, I think it's a dangerous, dangerous drug and love. So I agree, man. Plus. 255 00:31:00.430 --> 00:31:16.280 Mike Marcangelo: No, you hated him after what he did to the Cowboys two years ago. Like, you were down on him all last year. You're like, he's silly, it sucks, like, the shine has worn off. I think that's a direct quote in one of our postseason power rankings. You were like, yeah, the shine's really worn off. 256 00:31:16.280 --> 00:31:17.979 David Clarke: Yeah, I really like that better, I don't know what the fuck. 257 00:31:17.980 --> 00:31:23.580 Mike Marcangelo: what happened? You really, like, you really turned it off, like your Jordan Love-Hate. I thought we were on the same side. 258 00:31:23.920 --> 00:31:26.980 David Clarke: Now you're like, give him Roman Dunze, he's a Super Bowl champion. 259 00:31:27.360 --> 00:31:31.760 David Clarke: Like, I feel like you guys have been body-snatched by Packers fans. 260 00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:34.620 Mike Marcangelo: No. 261 00:31:37.030 --> 00:31:37.650 David Clarke: Fine. 262 00:31:38.950 --> 00:31:40.180 David Clarke: Bobby's flip-flopped. 263 00:31:40.530 --> 00:31:41.310 David Clarke: It's official. 264 00:31:41.310 --> 00:31:42.490 Mike Marcangelo: That's all, yes. 265 00:31:43.520 --> 00:31:44.860 David Clarke: Alright. 266 00:31:45.030 --> 00:31:46.160 David Clarke: It's me versus you guys. 267 00:31:46.160 --> 00:31:49.899 Robert Kelly: It's early, it's early. I have a lot of… I have a lot of time to flip-flop for the season, so don't worry. 268 00:31:49.970 --> 00:32:05.820 David Clarke: It happens. It's sort of… I mean, wait, what are we, fucking fortune tellers? Welcome to the Missing the Point podcast, where we guess at shit, and hope for a right. Not to bring the whole house of cards down on sports podcasting, guys. 269 00:32:07.040 --> 00:32:18.300 David Clarke: Yeah, listen, it's… I like the idea that it's gonna be me versus you guys, because we have yet to talk about the Pittsburgh Steelers, and … wait, did we talk about the Pittsburgh Steelers? Oh, yeah, you had them at 16, ridiculously. … 270 00:32:18.300 --> 00:32:28.030 David Clarke: Do you want to talk about your… what's going to be your favorite narrative coming into the season before we, start to rip through these, remaining teams? Because we still actually haven't gotten any teams we haven't talked about yet, but…. 271 00:32:28.030 --> 00:32:33.789 Mike Marcangelo: I just wanna… I just wanna point out that I wish this into existence all off-season. 272 00:32:34.140 --> 00:32:41.910 Mike Marcangelo: this, and I know a different sport, and the Missoula Contract Ascension, I said, would happen, and you're like, fuck you, Mike, these things are gonna happen. 273 00:32:42.100 --> 00:32:46.139 Mike Marcangelo: I can't wait to see the tightrope that you have to fucking walk. 274 00:32:47.080 --> 00:32:53.120 Mike Marcangelo: being in a house with a dedicated, die-hard Steeler fan you happen to be married to. 275 00:32:53.480 --> 00:32:59.620 Mike Marcangelo: And you can't openly root against them, but with every fiber of your being, you hate their quarterback. 276 00:32:59.940 --> 00:33:00.979 Mike Marcangelo: You just do. 277 00:33:01.220 --> 00:33:01.790 David Clarke: I think I should take. 278 00:33:01.790 --> 00:33:02.480 Robert Kelly: I mean, that's… 279 00:33:03.660 --> 00:33:16.969 Robert Kelly: I was just saying, that's why I flip-flopped on the Packers a little bit, too, because now we can't disagree on the Steelers like we always did, because we're gonna agree on them all year, because I think the Steelers aren't gonna be great. So I… we have to… for content purposes, we gotta butt heads somehow. 280 00:33:16.970 --> 00:33:31.720 David Clarke: It's really hard, it's really hard, because I don't know how I'm gonna be. Like, I have a really educated guess as to, like, how much I hate Aaron Rodgers, but I think I love my wife more than I hate Aaron Rodgers, but, like, that honestly remains to be seen. Like, there's a chance it goes. 281 00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:38.709 David Clarke: There's a chance it goes tits up for me. I should definitely take some, like, selfie videos of, like, that Leah doesn't know I'm taking of, like… 282 00:33:38.710 --> 00:33:55.509 David Clarke: like, situational football, like, when I read situational football happening on the field for the Pittsburgh Steelers, where she's locked in and she's, like, ready to, like, watch it, and I want to see if we can maybe, like, Zebruder tape my actual authentic feelings, because I'm gonna need your guys' help on this, because I'm obviously going to be doing mental flip-flops the entire time. 283 00:33:55.510 --> 00:33:58.569 David Clarke: But I want to be able to Zabruder tape the moment 284 00:33:58.580 --> 00:34:06.989 David Clarke: they do something good, and the moment they do something bad. And if it's Rodgers, am I gonna be delighted, right? Like, can I just cheer for their defense? Is that…? 285 00:34:07.230 --> 00:34:16.449 David Clarke: No, okay. So I don't know, I don't know what's gonna happen. Honestly, it is an interesting through-line. Bobby seems to think that I'm gonna just be down on them, because I hate Aaron Rodgers so much. 286 00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:36.149 Mike Marcangelo: I don't think that. I think… I think he's gonna find himself at, like I said, at week 10, when they're 7-2, or 8-2, and Rodgers hasn't, like, he's doing all the right things in the press conferences, you're gonna say, well, maybe, like, maybe Tomlin figured him out, and maybe this is gonna be a good… a good situation for him. 287 00:34:36.150 --> 00:34:55.629 David Clarke: I find myself, like, defending Mike Tomlin last… because, like, Ray did his annual, Mike Tomlin sucks, like, he's not even good. He did his annual, like, Mike Tomlin's gonna come under 500 thing, and I was like, that's ridiculous. He was like, he's mediocre. I was like, that's fucking absurd. So, like, I… I wanna think… I want… I mean, it's not… it's hard, though, because I want to say that's just what I really think. 288 00:34:55.940 --> 00:35:01.929 David Clarke: So… I don't think Tomlin's mediocre, like, I never have, but, like, I don't know, like, he's intrinsic…. 289 00:35:01.930 --> 00:35:09.119 Mike Marcangelo: Now, that take is gonna be tied to the success of Aaron Rodgers, and that is… I just can't wait for it. 290 00:35:09.460 --> 00:35:11.739 David Clarke: I heard someone say, if anyone can… 291 00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:15.540 David Clarke: get Aaron Rodgers to play to the best of his ability. 292 00:35:16.090 --> 00:35:34.540 David Clarke: it's Mike Tomlin, and I was like, based on Mike Tomlin's historic work with quarterbacks, like, are you basing that on the fucking Kenny Pickett season, or like, what are we, like, what are we talking about here? Fucking, like, Washed Ben? Because, like, the Washed Ben years were not… they were bad. They were, like, really hard to watch, so… 293 00:35:34.540 --> 00:35:41.120 David Clarke: I don't know, it's… I wouldn't call them a quarterback guru by any stretch of the imagination. I think they're gonna have an above 500 season. 294 00:35:41.120 --> 00:36:02.390 David Clarke: I would love it if, Watt doesn't turn off the lights, like, with 6 games to go. Like, if he could actually still rush the QB, that'd be good. I think that… I think that the move for shipping on, Minka to actually shore up the defensive backs was a smart one. That was actually a huge problem watching them last year, but I… I mean, honestly, a big part of it was, yeah, like, I obviously really like… 295 00:36:02.640 --> 00:36:21.539 David Clarke: my wife, and I want her to be happy, but I… I like defenses. Like, I think that's at least on the record. Like, do you remember when Bobby had the Dan Quinn Ballhawk defense? Like, I rode with the fucking Cowboys all year, like, I like when defenses are like that, so… I think there's some sort of, like, maybe tiny sliver of credibility I'm left with. 296 00:36:21.540 --> 00:36:25.619 David Clarke: where I can say, like, I don't know what's gonna happen. 297 00:36:25.740 --> 00:36:28.610 David Clarke: I don't know what's gonna happen, we'll see. … 298 00:36:28.750 --> 00:36:36.730 David Clarke: It's… it could be as epic as when I was just watching them win every week, being like, well, they're obviously good, they're, like, 1-11 games, and you guys were, like, so soft, and then they did collapse. 299 00:36:37.560 --> 00:36:41.699 David Clarke: So, you know, like, that did happen. 300 00:36:41.700 --> 00:36:49.560 Robert Kelly: I'll never forget when Big Ben got that ball snapped over his head in the first play of that playoff game. It was so satisfying. 301 00:36:49.560 --> 00:36:49.990 David Clarke: Yeah. 302 00:36:49.990 --> 00:36:51.280 Robert Kelly: It was a very satisfying game. 303 00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:57.180 David Clarke: There you guys go. There you guys go. Wishing ill on your friend. Just wanting him to be miserable and sad. 304 00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:14.630 David Clarke: And picking the Packers at 10, and trying to put bad juju on the Bears by making them too high on the list, and fucking hoping that I have a bad time at home because Aaron Rodgers is wishing it into existence. You use malice to make your wish come true. Pure malice. 305 00:37:15.330 --> 00:37:20.439 Robert Kelly: Missouri needs company, bro. And I've been miserable during the football season for years, so…. 306 00:37:21.410 --> 00:37:29.299 David Clarke: It's funny, too, because I always do come into the year, like, the most optimistic, because I've just convinced myself the bears are going to be good for no reason. 307 00:37:29.300 --> 00:37:33.280 Mike Marcangelo: Always had the Steelers to fall back on. Yeah. And now that's gone. 308 00:37:33.280 --> 00:37:39.930 David Clarke: Everything… no, I mean, the safety, you're right, the safety net's gone, I'm like, fuck it, I'm just a Steelers fan for the second half, because the Bears fucking suck. 309 00:37:41.410 --> 00:37:46.489 Mike Marcangelo: I can't wait. I just can't wait. So I am hoping for you, and I do think, and we'll talk about this next week. 310 00:37:46.490 --> 00:37:48.489 David Clarke: For me, for the podcast, I know, I know deep down. 311 00:37:48.490 --> 00:38:00.869 Mike Marcangelo: We're gonna be teammates, we're gonna be teammates. I'm hoping for you that you have a meaningful December for Chicago Bears football, too. And you can just put Aaron Rodgers and everyone else on the back burner. Don't even worry about it. 312 00:38:00.870 --> 00:38:02.749 David Clarke: That's really nice of you to say. 313 00:38:02.750 --> 00:38:03.369 Mike Marcangelo: I thought so. 314 00:38:03.370 --> 00:38:05.150 David Clarke: Just for the record, I… 315 00:38:05.450 --> 00:38:11.880 David Clarke: I'm, like, coming in… was that… I was, like, are we NFC this year? You were like, yeah. I was like, alright. And I started thinking about my personal…. 316 00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:12.840 Mike Marcangelo: 18 and 3. 317 00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:13.920 David Clarke: You might start. 318 00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:16.019 Robert Kelly: I think about my predictions, but I was like…. 319 00:38:16.020 --> 00:38:32.349 David Clarke: It was funny to go right from, like, he's gonna like this, to, like, he's gonna be so mad about this because it's the NFC North, and being like, no, I was gonna name a number for the Bears that was, like, really realistic and, like, really grounded and down-to-earth, and then I was immediately gonna insult the Packers. 320 00:38:32.430 --> 00:38:50.689 David Clarke: Like, aggressively insult the Packers. And I say was in the sense that I'm gonna do that, just so you know, next week when we're on the show. Maybe we should do the NFC North second to that, like, in the middle, I don't know, just so we can flesh it out a little bit. We might have to argue. Alright, Cincinnati Bengals. 321 00:38:50.700 --> 00:38:53.670 David Clarke: Everyone sees them, the narrative seems to be. 322 00:38:54.350 --> 00:38:59.710 David Clarke: Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow connection is gonna return, we're finally gonna get to watch the Cincinnati Bengals of old. 323 00:38:59.910 --> 00:39:13.179 David Clarke: They've gone… the banished are the demons of their slow starts, banished are the demons of their inability to get off the ground, and then, like, scrambling to… you know, they've… they've potentially made some, … 324 00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:16.970 David Clarke: good moves in the sense that Higgins is… 325 00:39:18.390 --> 00:39:30.729 David Clarke: you know, there. Like, whatever happens that he, like, plays on the team. I think, you know, the Chase Burrow-Higgins connection, like, is sort of undeniable. It's really gonna be… 326 00:39:30.910 --> 00:39:47.019 David Clarke: Can they get a hot… can they finally have a hot start? Or are we just gonna see their coach get fired? Like, what's… what's actually… like, the… I think the Bengals can break either way. I really think they can… they could… and I think the start is gonna be a big determining factor. Now, I would bet on a Bengals' slow start, just based on, like, history. 327 00:39:47.270 --> 00:39:54.379 David Clarke: I… I… 75% of the time, they do come good in the later half of the season. Later third of the season, even. But… 328 00:39:54.860 --> 00:40:04.260 David Clarke: I don't know. I am kind of high on them. I do love watching Joe Burrow throw the ball to those guys, and I think he's… I mean, if we were going on… 329 00:40:04.690 --> 00:40:14.099 David Clarke: ability to dethrone Patrick Mahomes last season, I was picking Burrow number one every single time up until last year, whenever, like, the wheels completely came off. 330 00:40:14.370 --> 00:40:20.630 David Clarke: I'd put him above Lamar for likelihood, and I'm just talking about the AFC here, even now. 331 00:40:21.130 --> 00:40:25.420 David Clarke: sure, the Eagles are still the team to beat, coming out of the other conference, but… 332 00:40:26.060 --> 00:40:36.569 David Clarke: I don't know, I mean, I… I still probably think it's Burrow. Bobby, is it still Burrow, or is it Josh Allen now, just based on the fact that, like, for 3 years? But he's still… he's never been able to get over the hump, this is the thing! 333 00:40:36.570 --> 00:40:49.000 David Clarke: So, what's the quarterback confluence here? Is Joe Burrow in the conversation, is my more succinct question. Is he in the conversation to actually compete and try to dethrone Mahomes? Because this is what we're always asking for out of him every year. 334 00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:55.939 Robert Kelly: No, he's still there. He's the only one that actually has done it. Let's be fair. He went in to Arrowhead and beat 335 00:40:55.940 --> 00:41:12.860 Robert Kelly: Patrick Mahomes for. So yes, he still is in that realm. This season comes down to Zach Taylor for me. This… this is all on Zach Taylor now. This is his make or break season. If… if the Bengals come out to that slow start, I don't know if Zach Taylor makes it past week 4 or 5. 336 00:41:12.860 --> 00:41:16.690 Robert Kelly: Because I think they cut the bait early, if the Bengals get out to that. 337 00:41:16.810 --> 00:41:35.949 Robert Kelly: that slow start they do every single year. Because this is make or break for them. You know what I mean? You can't… you cannot waste another year of Joe Burrow. You cannot do it. When you have Joe Burrow, Tee Higgins, and Jamar Chase, you have to be competing for a championship every year. And it's… it's… it's blasphemy, and it's… it's… 338 00:41:35.980 --> 00:41:40.249 Robert Kelly: Putting a middle finger to the football god for giving you that quarterback if you're not doing that. 339 00:41:40.340 --> 00:41:47.810 Robert Kelly: So, this is it for the Bengals. If it's not this year, then it's not happening for Zach Taylor. He needs to go, in my opinion. 340 00:41:48.920 --> 00:41:49.400 David Clarke: What do you think, Mike? 341 00:41:49.400 --> 00:42:01.409 Mike Marcangelo: I mean, honestly, yep, I wholeheartedly agree, like, honestly, the barometer is, is after 6 games, if the Bengals have 3 wins, they're in a much better spot than they've been in the last 3 years. Because they usually start with, what, 1 and 4? 342 00:42:01.530 --> 00:42:09.179 Mike Marcangelo: 1 and 5, like, 1 and 3, like, you can't do that shit. So, all we're asking is that a slow start, sure, like, just don't be… 343 00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:21.749 Mike Marcangelo: don't be the opposite of what we know you two being at the end of the year, right? Like, we know that this offensive… that this team offensively is a juggernaut. I have… I have some questions about whether Hendrickson's gonna play. If he doesn't. 344 00:42:21.750 --> 00:42:35.090 David Clarke: And that's a huge question mark, I mean, they've never been… That's a big question mark. Yeah, like, they've never… I didn't know that this was gonna become a situation, like, until… this didn't happen until in between the last time we recorded and this, right? Where he… it's basically, like, they're shopping him now. 345 00:42:35.290 --> 00:42:45.090 David Clarke: It's a very similar problem, I think, that you have with Micah Parsons in Dallas, and we've talked about this extendedly already on the Power Ranking Show. 346 00:42:45.810 --> 00:42:50.620 David Clarke: what's the package look like? I mean, honestly, like, what does the fucking package look like for that guy? 347 00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:51.810 David Clarke: I… 348 00:42:52.090 --> 00:43:03.680 David Clarke: I would give anything for him to be on the Bears, but I think we'd have to be, like… we'd have to bet the whole farm, basically, on Caleb being able to lead a team to a Super Bowl if we wanted to… if we wanted to get… get Henderson, so… 349 00:43:03.810 --> 00:43:10.559 David Clarke: I kind of think he might stick around, you know what I mean? Like, was it a leverage move? Like, I… I don't… who makes the… who's… what's the trade? 350 00:43:10.560 --> 00:43:10.880 Mike Marcangelo: Well. 351 00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:11.530 David Clarke: What is the trade like? 352 00:43:11.530 --> 00:43:14.610 Mike Marcangelo: He's saying… he's saying he won't play in his current contract. 353 00:43:15.060 --> 00:43:17.400 David Clarke: But it's so weird, it's like, pay the guy. 354 00:43:18.160 --> 00:43:24.140 Mike Marcangelo: Right. Well, they can't, because they paid Tee Higgins and Jamar Chase. So they've, like, they've made this… 355 00:43:24.840 --> 00:43:27.210 Mike Marcangelo: I don't think they can pay him what he's actually worth, no. 356 00:43:27.210 --> 00:43:38.340 David Clarke: where's the, like, Joe Burrow restructure? Don't worry, we're gonna get it back for you in endorsements, you know, under the table Tom Brady situation, you know what I mean? Like, why was Brady the only one that could ever really do that? 357 00:43:38.450 --> 00:43:45.959 Mike Marcangelo: But here's the thing, like, last year, that… Henderson accounted for 85% of the total sacks for the Bengals. 358 00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:46.730 David Clarke: He's a beast. 359 00:43:48.030 --> 00:44:06.800 Mike Marcangelo: That's not good. Like, they weren't leading the league in sex, right? So, every year, they've depended on him to really be the game stopper on the defensive side, and without him, like, you're asking Burrow to do more, and that offense to do more. You have to score 30 to win a game. 360 00:44:06.970 --> 00:44:11.289 Mike Marcangelo: And I think that's gonna be really… that's really hard for, for anybody to do. 361 00:44:12.550 --> 00:44:17.110 David Clarke: Yeah. Lot of shootouts. A lot of shootouts for this. 1 and…. 362 00:44:17.110 --> 00:44:21.180 Robert Kelly: Weeks 1 and 2, they come out with the Browns and Jags. So they could distribute… 363 00:44:21.910 --> 00:44:27.499 Robert Kelly: They should be 2-0 coming out the gates. If they're not, then that spells trouble, for sure. 364 00:44:27.950 --> 00:44:28.590 David Clarke: Yep. 365 00:44:28.590 --> 00:44:29.890 Robert Kelly: Then after that… 366 00:44:30.240 --> 00:44:35.969 Robert Kelly: After that, they got the Vikings, Broncos, and Lions. So they got tough games after those first two, but… 367 00:44:36.730 --> 00:44:45.170 Robert Kelly: If they get out the gates hot, I think they have a good chance of at least starting, what, 3-2? And that's 10 times better than what they've done over the past 3 years. 368 00:44:45.530 --> 00:44:50.710 David Clarke: They're right in the middle of… this is so funny, too, because they're right in the middle of the pack for strength of schedule. They're 17. 369 00:44:51.160 --> 00:45:08.099 David Clarke: So it's like, right banks, like, square in the middle, they play just as many shitty teams as they do good teams, and honestly, if that's me, if I'm Zach Taylor and I'm worried about keeping my job, you gotta go out there and be glad that you gave Burrow his receivers, and whatever happens with Henderson, it… 370 00:45:08.200 --> 00:45:09.469 David Clarke: You gotta just… 371 00:45:09.560 --> 00:45:22.720 David Clarke: run the score up on shitty teams, you gotta be a flat track bully, you gotta go fuck up, you just have to have the biggest engine. You know, you don't have to necessarily win the race on technicalities, you just have to absolutely blow out those teams that you start the season with, the Browns and the Jags, you gotta go fuck them up. 372 00:45:22.730 --> 00:45:42.450 David Clarke: So… and, like, if that looks like 42 to 34, and you're like, the fucking Browns scored 34 points on them, we're worried, and it's like, well, whatever. Like, offensively, they scored every time they went down the field. If you're 40+, you basically score on every fucking drive. So, you know, it just depends on if it's touchdowns or kicks, and it's like, cool. Like… 373 00:45:42.450 --> 00:46:02.289 David Clarke: I'm happy enough with that start to the season. The Bengals are gonna be a very interesting team to watch. There could be a lot of gunfights, a lot of shootouts, there could be a lot of different things happening, behind the scenes, and I was doing this on the earlier shows. The… where does the team rank on your power rankings, but then where does the team rank? 374 00:46:02.500 --> 00:46:22.309 David Clarke: for television viewing. How good of a TV show are the Cincinnati Bengals this year? And I have to say, as we got into the top, yeah, for sure, like, right when we hit the top 10, there were teams in the bottom 5 that we said were gonna be good TV teams, you know? Like, just looking back at it right now, we put the New Orleans Saints as dead last in TV watching. 375 00:46:22.330 --> 00:46:36.269 David Clarke: Ranking, but… because at least the Cleveland Browns' defense is fun to watch, right? But then, you know, I was making a case for the Carolina Panthers, like, you know, maybe now Bryce has Tet, like, let's see what happens, right? Like, there's gonna… it's gonna be, like, something to tune in for. 376 00:46:36.270 --> 00:46:50.080 David Clarke: The Colts are a fucking hot, dramatic mess. You know, everything that's going… I mean, they probably did the smartest thing for their organization by just benjing Richardson and just declaring Jones the starter, because honestly, like, don't even dick around with that guy ever again. We, like, we talked about this at length. 377 00:46:50.090 --> 00:46:51.530 David Clarke: On the show. 378 00:46:51.620 --> 00:47:10.899 David Clarke: The Miami Dolphins, like, you know, there's teams back there that rank higher on the TV watch list, on the must-see TV list, than they do on the power rankings, right? This is the first, like, true top 10 team, I think, that's appointment viewing. I want to see Joe Burrow throw to Jamar Chase again this year. It's part of my life. It's part of what I like to do. 379 00:47:12.580 --> 00:47:22.290 David Clarke: Speaking of teams that I think every year rank highly on the, must-see TV list, and being a local Los Angeles resident, this really benefits me. 380 00:47:22.630 --> 00:47:41.960 David Clarke: The Los Angeles Rams. I get that Matt Stafford is a million years old now, and I get that he looks every day of it, because he was… see, he's sort of the… would you guys call him the Ben Roethlisberger of this era, just on… on… he's our toughest QB? Because of his age and, like, toughness, he's our toughest QB, and he has that, like, well… 381 00:47:41.960 --> 00:47:52.090 David Clarke: He could do it, you know? He could… I mean, it's… I wouldn't count him out. It's like, that's the tenor that we used to talk about Ben Roethlisberger. That's now the tenor in which we talk about Stafford. 382 00:47:52.440 --> 00:48:04.459 David Clarke: Sean McVay, I still think, is my number one rated coach in the NFL, hopefully soon to be replaced on that rankings board. There's a lot of rankings boards to keep track of, but hopefully soon to be replaced by Ben Johnson. 383 00:48:04.820 --> 00:48:10.890 David Clarke: Kyron Williams, They're fun to watch on offense. They have good offensive upside. 384 00:48:11.390 --> 00:48:19.459 David Clarke: another team that could start slow and come back, and like, if I was gonna tell you guys their strength of schedule, it's… 385 00:48:20.280 --> 00:48:22.379 David Clarke: Where are they? Do they exist? 386 00:48:23.810 --> 00:48:28.369 David Clarke: Where are the ramps? Oh, there they are. Yeah, 20th. So, 20th hardest, so… 387 00:48:28.490 --> 00:48:34.000 David Clarke: I don't know, do they rank high on your guys' TV viewing, too, or are they just all on all the time here for me? 388 00:48:34.910 --> 00:48:43.279 Robert Kelly: No, yeah, they're definitely high on the list. I think replacing, Cup with Adams, to me, is an upgrade. Having Devonte Adams as your number. 389 00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:48.350 David Clarke: Yeah, because he just looked weird, bro. And the Jets looked weird anyway, right? So…. 390 00:48:48.350 --> 00:48:52.030 Robert Kelly: But he still put up… he still put up numbers, even in that weird Jets offense. 391 00:48:52.030 --> 00:49:09.169 David Clarke: I wouldn't call them numbers, but sure. They're numbers in the sense that they are integers, like, they're, you know, like, they exist on the mathematical spectrum. I wouldn't… I wouldn't say the word… I imagine that the idiom, put up numbers means a little bit higher stats than Devonta Adams' 2024-2025 season, but… 392 00:49:09.350 --> 00:49:15.519 David Clarke: I think he looked like he still had some athletic ability and, like, ability to be slotted into a team. I would agree with that. 393 00:49:16.860 --> 00:49:21.120 Robert Kelly: And being… he might be top 3, number 2 wide receiver in the league now. 394 00:49:22.040 --> 00:49:24.220 Mike Marcangelo: Would you agree? I can't…. 395 00:49:24.770 --> 00:49:25.400 Robert Kelly: Hagen's device. 396 00:49:25.400 --> 00:49:27.079 David Clarke: Jenkins is number one, obviously. 397 00:49:27.080 --> 00:49:27.650 Robert Kelly: Right. 398 00:49:27.650 --> 00:49:28.210 Mike Marcangelo: Yep. 399 00:49:28.430 --> 00:49:35.930 David Clarke: I'm struggling to think of… I mean, I… could I… could I… could I interest you in Aroma Dunze? 400 00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:38.430 Robert Kelly: What about George Pickens? 401 00:49:38.430 --> 00:49:42.400 David Clarke: Yeah, George Pickens is a pretty good number 2, pretty fucking good number 2. 402 00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:49.160 Robert Kelly: But now it's Devonte… now you have Devontae Adams. Granted, it's an old Devonte Adams, but I think that's number two, instantly. 403 00:49:50.010 --> 00:49:50.630 David Clarke: Mike? 404 00:49:50.630 --> 00:50:01.490 Mike Marcangelo: I mean, I don't know if he's better than Chris Godwin as number 2 right now, but we haven't seen it yet, but it's close, right? I think Puka and Delonte on that team is gonna be… 405 00:50:01.490 --> 00:50:13.109 Mike Marcangelo: just must see if Stafford can hold up. It's odd that he hasn't taken a single snap even in practice, because his back is just so bad. So, like, that can't be good. But if there's a coach that 406 00:50:13.110 --> 00:50:22.449 Mike Marcangelo: you know, I think over the last 5 years that you'd say, I do trust in this situation to make, you know, make chicken salad out of chicken shit, it's gonna be Sean McVay. 407 00:50:27.110 --> 00:50:28.270 David Clarke: Jameson Williams. 408 00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:33.060 David Clarke: Wide receiver, two shot. Jamison Williams. That's pretty up there. 409 00:50:33.800 --> 00:50:38.349 Robert Kelly: Yeah, he's not… he… he's not proven like these guys are yet, though. But he… 410 00:50:39.100 --> 00:50:41.300 Robert Kelly: That man's got some… that man's got some wheels. 411 00:50:41.300 --> 00:50:51.370 David Clarke: Neither is Rome, though, right? Like, Rome's not proven, necessarily, either, so… you know, we'll see. We'll see how it goes. I think I'd be happy. I'm pretty happy to have Rome Adunze as a wide receiver, too. I think anybody would. 412 00:50:51.610 --> 00:50:55.520 David Clarke: But Jamo, I mean, it's not the Ben Johnson offense anymore, but we'll see. 413 00:50:55.770 --> 00:51:13.439 David Clarke: Yeah, I'd say they're pretty high on the old, on the old TV watching, and I think that they have some offensive weapons that they can make do with, and I think they have, like, a stadium that, like, plays in their advantage. We'll see. We'll talk about where they're gonna land in the prediction show, but hey, Tampa Bay's offense! Do you think that they can repeat the high highs? 414 00:51:13.580 --> 00:51:28.399 David Clarke: Of last season. Can Baker Mayfield go 40-plus in TDs again? That might be a stretch. Another great wide receiver, too, as Mike mentioned, and a good wide receiver room overall, with some hopeful health returning this year. 415 00:51:28.460 --> 00:51:36.989 David Clarke: I think that they make sense at 7. They… they… I'd say I'd be… I'd be more likely to see them drop than Rise, though. Mike? 416 00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:53.530 Mike Marcangelo: Yeah, it feels like we've seen their ceiling, and so, ultimately, I mean, I don't know if they can… if they can repeat what they did last year, but Baker, over the last, what, 3 years, has basically matched Mahomes, stat for stat. 417 00:51:53.530 --> 00:52:11.210 Mike Marcangelo: And it's been better, and we consider Patrick Mahomes, obviously, you know, the best quarterback in the league right now. Now, I'm not anointing Baker as a clear number two, but I am saying he's been competitive and kept up in terms of yards, completion percentage, touchdowns, interceptions. He's right there. 418 00:52:11.410 --> 00:52:27.519 Mike Marcangelo: I just think that at this… at this point in time, you should start relying more on Chris Godwin than Mike Evans, if you… if you really want to keep succeeding. I think Mike Evans is a Hall of Famer, of course, but I mean, is his year 12 as a wide receiver? 419 00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:31.830 Robert Kelly: Yeah, year 12, I think it's year 11 in a row, putting up 1,000 yards, too. 420 00:52:31.830 --> 00:52:32.590 Mike Marcangelo: Yep. 421 00:52:32.970 --> 00:52:37.249 Mike Marcangelo: Yeah, so, like, the wheels do fall off, unless you're Jerry Rice. 422 00:52:37.560 --> 00:52:40.650 Mike Marcangelo: But… I don't think Mike Evans is sharing this. 423 00:52:40.790 --> 00:52:42.540 David Clarke: I feel like Jerry Rice could still play. 424 00:52:43.060 --> 00:52:44.460 David Clarke: I never count that man out. 425 00:52:45.210 --> 00:52:51.939 David Clarke: What about the TV rankings? Just since this has become the theme of today, like, how do you like watching them on TV? 426 00:52:52.150 --> 00:52:53.000 Mike Marcangelo: I mean, Baker always. 427 00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:53.540 Robert Kelly: Definitely. 428 00:52:53.540 --> 00:53:00.510 Mike Marcangelo: weird shit. So, like, they should all… any team that he is the starting quarterback of should be in top 10 for TV viewing. 429 00:53:01.470 --> 00:53:02.429 David Clarke: My, body image? 430 00:53:02.430 --> 00:53:07.839 Robert Kelly: You always have the added benefactor of the weird, tall, bullsh faces that he makes on the sideline. 431 00:53:10.790 --> 00:53:11.779 David Clarke: Have to agree. 432 00:53:14.490 --> 00:53:16.300 David Clarke: I don't think the commanders are gonna be this good. 433 00:53:17.370 --> 00:53:21.300 Mike Marcangelo: So this is the one that I just saved all my energy for. 434 00:53:21.300 --> 00:53:24.149 David Clarke: Same. I was still, like, really waiting to get here. 435 00:53:24.150 --> 00:53:31.539 Mike Marcangelo: It really irritates me, that the creator of this list put a team that beat the team right above them 436 00:53:32.060 --> 00:53:49.310 Mike Marcangelo: like, I don't understand how everything that's happened to the Lions in this offseason, you still think the Commanders are worse off than them. It doesn't make any sense. Washington went right into Detroit and beat the brakes off of them last year. And then, what did Detroit do? They lost both coordinators. 437 00:53:49.780 --> 00:54:02.420 Mike Marcangelo: like, their offensive scheme is completely gone, Aaron Glenn's gone on defense, and now you are solely relying on the intellect of Dan Campbell, who I love, and the grit of Jared Goff, which… 438 00:54:02.890 --> 00:54:05.440 Mike Marcangelo: Who knows what's gonna be there if it's not schemed correctly? 439 00:54:05.640 --> 00:54:24.089 Mike Marcangelo: And the commanders have only added. I mean, they got Laramie Tunzel, right, from Houston, so that offensive line is now officially secure. Maybe Terry McLaurin is traded, maybe he isn't, but I think they already got a pretty good backup, just in case with Deebo. So… 440 00:54:24.730 --> 00:54:29.020 Mike Marcangelo: I just… I think Jaden Daniels is gonna be that much better in year… in year two. 441 00:54:29.830 --> 00:54:31.820 David Clarke: I… I couldn't disagree more. 442 00:54:31.830 --> 00:54:40.030 Mike Marcangelo: Of course, you're on the Caleb bandwagon, so anything that goes against Caleb being the best quarterback of that draft class…. 443 00:54:40.030 --> 00:54:41.619 David Clarke: Alright, fine. Fine. 444 00:54:41.710 --> 00:54:48.379 Mike Marcangelo: Everything I say is influenced by who I am as a person. We can just… we can just agree that that is… Okay. 445 00:54:48.380 --> 00:55:04.540 David Clarke: That is a… that is a factor. I hate to break this tragic piece of news to you, but that's true of you as well. The fact of the matter is, forget, take Jaden out of it. I think Jaden's gonna still be good. So, like, I don't, you know, just take that out of it completely. 446 00:55:04.630 --> 00:55:28.160 David Clarke: if Terry McLaurin goes was a really funny thing to yada yada over right there, as you were like, you were like, yeah, I mean, Deebo might play three and a half games, so, like, that'll really… like, that'll really fucking cover having Terry fucking McLaurin, like, get out of here, dude. Like, if he loses Terry, they're fucked. Like, that's really bad, first of all. Second of all, they didn't improve that D-line, that was the thing they needed to get over the hump last year. 447 00:55:28.220 --> 00:55:39.040 David Clarke: They were never beating that Eagles team. And I think that they were still very way ahead of schedule, more so than I think any of us could have expected going into the season last year. 448 00:55:39.040 --> 00:55:59.030 David Clarke: It's got… it's got Texans last year written all over it. It's just got… it's… everybody's high on the quarterback first year, everybody's high on the coach. It's got the second year of the Texans written all over it. If they lose their wide receiver one, it's exactly the same. It's exactly the same as, like, whether he's traded or injured, it's the exact same story as the Texans. 449 00:55:59.030 --> 00:56:16.819 David Clarke: One year ago, I can just see it. I can really picture it in my mind's eye. I think Jaden Daniels is a good quarterback. I don't have anything bad to say about him. I think he's a lot of fun to watch, and again, appointment viewing on the must-see TV rankings, but if they lose Terry, they didn't make any improvements on the defensive side of the ball at all. 450 00:56:16.820 --> 00:56:21.499 David Clarke: Yeah, they did. They signed Dietrich Wise for New England, who I absolutely fucking love. 451 00:56:21.500 --> 00:56:21.930 Robert Kelly: Barnmill. 452 00:56:21.930 --> 00:56:24.699 David Clarke: And Von Miller, who's… how old? 453 00:56:25.100 --> 00:56:31.769 Robert Kelly: Jonathan Jones. Jonathan Jones isn't bad. Marshawn Lattimore is gonna be actually healthy this year. 454 00:56:31.770 --> 00:56:34.439 David Clarke: Yeah, Von Miller's 36, but okay, sure. 455 00:56:34.550 --> 00:56:37.400 David Clarke: You guys do your, you guys, you guys, you, you guys tell me. 456 00:56:38.860 --> 00:56:45.100 Mike Marcangelo: So, can you at least understand my argument that they should be ranked higher than the Detroit Lions? 457 00:56:45.100 --> 00:56:55.910 David Clarke: Yeah, I'm also way lower on the lines this year. I would say that both of them could maybe be replaced by a 7 and 8 in my head, just off the top of my head. … 458 00:56:56.490 --> 00:57:07.339 David Clarke: Yeah, I think that the Lions have basically lost their offensive guru, and we've seen how that goes in the past. Whether he works out as a head coach in Chicago or not, it's gonna be a huge… 459 00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:17.450 David Clarke: huge loss for Detroit, and, like, the things that really made them special were obviously coming from Ben Johnson's head. Again, whether that translates to being a head coach or not, I'm not saying that. 460 00:57:17.450 --> 00:57:18.060 Mike Marcangelo: Yeah. 461 00:57:18.060 --> 00:57:33.349 David Clarke: Clearly, he's a great offensive coordinator, so when you lose a great offensive coordinator, that's a big deal. I think he made Goff look a lot better than, he had any right to. I think that they still obviously have really good skilled players, but a lot of people, I mean. 462 00:57:33.680 --> 00:57:58.540 David Clarke: I love Alm Ross St. Brown, and I love the things that he was able to do in Johnson's offense last year, but, like, a lot of people are saying, like, he was schemed really, really well for. There's players inside the NFL that say that he gets, like, really, like, the schemes are really going for him, because he's just getting a lot of underneath routes, he's, like, he's touching the ball a lot, so that's why his stats are the way they are. I'm not saying that, but some people are saying that. A lot of people are saying that, see, I don't know where I got that tactic, but it's working. 463 00:57:58.800 --> 00:57:59.930 David Clarke: … 464 00:58:00.300 --> 00:58:09.020 David Clarke: So, yeah, I agree. I think that the Detroit Lions are gonna go down a level. If, like you said, you're relying on the mind of Dan Campbell. 465 00:58:09.320 --> 00:58:10.870 David Clarke: Okay, cool. 466 00:58:11.720 --> 00:58:12.709 Mike Marcangelo: I just… I just…. 467 00:58:12.710 --> 00:58:13.140 David Clarke: The rocket. 468 00:58:13.140 --> 00:58:17.020 Mike Marcangelo: Last line, in this, in this really well-prepared 469 00:58:17.410 --> 00:58:33.619 Mike Marcangelo: a document that was sent to me by the real BK, Bob Kelly. It says that the Detroit Lions, if they stay healthy, I see them picking up right where they left off last year, that being the Detroit Lions. And where they left off last year was getting their asses handed to them by the Washington Commanders, who some… for some reason, they're ranked ahead of. 470 00:58:34.510 --> 00:58:46.710 Robert Kelly: Because their entire defense was hurt. If they stay healthy, you gotta remember, this team was… they were at 1 at one point in the power rankings left. Maybe they… I don't know if they ever got to 1, but they were at least at 2 at one point. 471 00:58:46.710 --> 00:58:48.050 Mike Marcangelo: I think they were at 1. 472 00:58:48.250 --> 00:59:06.640 Robert Kelly: Right, so you gotta remember, this team last year was, at one point, Super Bowl favorites, and if they stayed healthy, I think that they make a better run than they did. Maybe they don't get past the Commanders and that Jaden Daniels magic that was happening, but if they stayed healthy, they at least would have gave them at least a competitive game. 473 00:59:06.640 --> 00:59:18.309 Robert Kelly: And I don't think we've been talking down on them as much as we would be. I do think the offensive coordinator is a little bit bigger of a deal than losing Aaron Glenn, losing Ben Johnson, because Jared Goff 474 00:59:18.310 --> 00:59:31.109 Robert Kelly: is really gonna make what this offense go or not. You know what I mean? If… if Jared Goff can step up and be the quarterback he was the past two years, I think the Lions are gonna stay right in the top 10 all year. But if we go back to see… 475 00:59:31.220 --> 00:59:33.170 Robert Kelly: But, right, if we go back to seeing Jared. 476 00:59:33.170 --> 00:59:33.950 David Clarke: Is that what I'm trying to…. 477 00:59:33.950 --> 00:59:42.889 Robert Kelly: Three years ago, then… then, yeah, the Lions could be in trouble. But you don't think that they just end up relying more on Gibbs and Montgomery at this point? 478 00:59:43.770 --> 00:59:45.840 David Clarke: I mean, more than they already were. 479 00:59:45.970 --> 00:59:51.719 David Clarke: That's how he made Goff look good, is he, like, used them sparingly. You know what I mean? Like, I…. 480 00:59:51.720 --> 00:59:54.220 Mike Marcangelo: And also, if… Sorry, DK, I'll give you. 481 00:59:54.220 --> 00:59:54.659 David Clarke: No, go ahead. 482 00:59:54.660 --> 01:00:05.859 Mike Marcangelo: if their defense takes a step back, then they're not going to be able to rely on the running game, because they're going to have to throw it more, because they're going to be coming from behind more. So, like, you're really putting everything on the fact that 483 01:00:06.010 --> 01:00:07.920 Mike Marcangelo: Bobby, your belief is… 484 01:00:08.220 --> 01:00:22.120 Mike Marcangelo: if every person that was injured last year comes back and is healthy, then they're gonna be fine. Like, then they didn't even need Aaron Glenn, really, because, you know, he didn't really do anything, they just need… they just need the players. That sounds like it's your take. 485 01:00:22.510 --> 01:00:31.640 David Clarke: Well, he was very high on Aaron Glenn as a head coach earlier in this iteration, so I… both things actually cannot be true. So, Bobby, pick one. 486 01:00:33.280 --> 01:00:42.630 Robert Kelly: I mean, I'm very high on Eric Glenn as a head coach. I think that's more on the Justin Fields bandwagon, to be honest. But I just…. 487 01:00:42.630 --> 01:00:48.829 David Clarke: At some point, he's gonna have to throw a ball, though, right? Like, surely they're gonna make him throw once or twice, because he hasn't thrown a ball at all preseason. 488 01:00:48.980 --> 01:00:51.920 David Clarke: It's disconcerting at best. 489 01:00:52.700 --> 01:01:11.549 Robert Kelly: It is disconcerting, I agree with that. But yeah, no. I just think the Lions this year, with… if they play up to their par, I think they're a little bit better than the Commanders. Plus, I couldn't put the Commanders in the top 5 and have two NFC East teams in the top 5. I just couldn't possibly do it. It wasn't in my bones to do it. 490 01:01:13.210 --> 01:01:15.140 Mike Marcangelo: I respect that, that's just honesty. 491 01:01:15.140 --> 01:01:24.509 David Clarke: That was honesty. That was nice. It was a really nice moment for all of us. We're all better men because of it. How about Josh Allen, who just married Hailee Steinfeld from Sinners? Did you guys see Sinners? 492 01:01:24.900 --> 01:01:25.910 Mike Marcangelo: I did, yeah. 493 01:01:25.910 --> 01:01:26.799 David Clarke: Do you like it? 494 01:01:27.980 --> 01:01:35.369 Mike Marcangelo: I think so, like, I don't… I feel like… I thought… I didn't know it was, like, gonna be, like, a comedy, but it was. 495 01:01:35.370 --> 01:01:37.089 David Clarke: Comedy's a stretch. 496 01:01:38.220 --> 01:01:39.560 Mike Marcangelo: I. 497 01:01:39.560 --> 01:01:40.459 David Clarke: Did you see it? 498 01:01:41.010 --> 01:01:42.209 Mike Marcangelo: No, I did not say it. 499 01:01:42.440 --> 01:01:49.280 Mike Marcangelo: It was like a cinematic vampire diaries that was just… has all this cultural subtext. 500 01:01:49.610 --> 01:01:55.349 Mike Marcangelo: thrown in your face. So yeah, that's… it was… I laughed. I found myself laughing at things that I shouldn't be laughing at. 501 01:01:55.570 --> 01:02:00.379 David Clarke: … Subtext, by definition, is not being thrown in your face. 502 01:02:00.380 --> 01:02:01.740 Mike Marcangelo: This one was. 503 01:02:01.740 --> 01:02:12.020 David Clarke: That's what makes it subtext in the first place. Secondly, it's nothing like The Vampire Diaries, it's awesome. So, moving right along. Bob, you should watch it, it's good, don't listen to Mike. 504 01:02:13.780 --> 01:02:21.330 David Clarke: Josh Allen just married the hot girl from Sinners, so he had a great summer. He's the reigning MVP. I mean, he might have had the best summer… 505 01:02:21.840 --> 01:02:27.469 David Clarke: Of anybody, if you really think about it. … and he's coming in to a team… 506 01:02:27.960 --> 01:02:38.630 David Clarke: Yeah, Shakurbian Hertz sucks, but he was basically fuckin' G.I. Joe last year. Josh Allen. We forget. How quickly we forget, because it didn't really translate into a… 507 01:02:38.750 --> 01:02:40.310 David Clarke: Meaningful postseason run. 508 01:02:41.350 --> 01:02:55.439 David Clarke: I agree with them being a 4. I think we're back to sort of being on the same page here. Spoiler alert, my top 4 would be identical to Bobby's, I think. It's sort of undeniable how this 4 is put together. 509 01:02:55.570 --> 01:03:08.399 David Clarke: Bosa, hope he can stay healthy. Tredavious White, Maxwell Harrison, good, good, good to point out Maxwell also, because I just think, yeah, this is, like, sort of what they needed. I, I think they needed a little, a little… 510 01:03:08.400 --> 01:03:19.389 David Clarke: depth by, you know, bringing it at the top and in the middle, and I think, Josh Allen's owed a defense that can really, like, keep him in games so he doesn't have to score 38 points a game anymore. 511 01:03:19.450 --> 01:03:32.419 David Clarke: What do you think, Mike? Are you… I hate to say it, you know, I know we're all sort of rooting for the Pats here, but on Missing the Point, the Boston Sports Podcast, but, I think we're talking about, I think we're talking about the AFC's champs. 512 01:03:33.770 --> 01:03:46.360 Mike Marcangelo: Yeah, yeah, 100%. They're the AFC East champs. Josh Allen's gonna look like he's an MVP again, and this is if we're just talking about regular season. I mean, I just, like, this is where… this is where they should be ranked. The number 4, number 3, 513 01:03:46.480 --> 01:03:48.180 Mike Marcangelo: are the classic… 514 01:03:48.430 --> 01:03:54.209 Mike Marcangelo: Regular season stat leaders, they make you look good, and then they just fall in the playoffs every year. 515 01:03:54.210 --> 01:03:58.679 David Clarke: Or who you hire on between the… spoiler alert. 516 01:03:58.840 --> 01:03:59.880 David Clarke: Everybody. 517 01:03:59.970 --> 01:04:01.179 Mike Marcangelo: Lamar. But it's coming. 518 01:04:01.600 --> 01:04:05.369 David Clarke: Baltimore is at number 3. You're higher on Lamar than you are Josh Allen? 519 01:04:05.550 --> 01:04:14.889 Mike Marcangelo: Yeah, because I'm higher on Harbaugh than I am McDermott. I don't think McDermott's a good head coach, and I think you got one more… I mean, to what we've all said about, …. 520 01:04:14.890 --> 01:04:24.059 David Clarke: All things considered. I thought this was about as far as we could… I think… I thought it was a very clear, this is about as far as we can take it situation. 521 01:04:24.210 --> 01:04:27.259 David Clarke: Like, at the end of last year, Bobby, am I crazy? 522 01:04:29.140 --> 01:04:29.910 Robert Kelly: What, with Harba? 523 01:04:29.910 --> 01:04:32.830 David Clarke: Yeah, I thought we were putting him… we had him on the hot seat all year last year. 524 01:04:32.830 --> 01:04:39.629 Robert Kelly: Yeah, no, we've had Harbaugh in the hot seat for a couple years now. I think if he doesn't get over the hump finally, I think it's time to… time to… time to look. 525 01:04:39.630 --> 01:04:46.919 David Clarke: You know he's gonna be good in the regular season, like, it's just a matter… over the hump, like, if he doesn't win a Super Bowl, he's fired. I thought that was last year. 526 01:04:47.380 --> 01:04:55.410 Mike Marcangelo: just… but let's not move the conversation away from Sean McDermott, who, by all accounts, has a top-five quarterback. 527 01:04:55.410 --> 01:04:58.210 David Clarke: I don't want to say… I don't want to say what you want me to say. 528 01:04:58.210 --> 01:04:59.190 Mike Marcangelo: He's a division. 529 01:04:59.190 --> 01:05:09.889 David Clarke: I do agree that obviously I have Harbaugh over McDermott also. Of course I do. However, I don't want to distract from the fact that we did say… 530 01:05:10.160 --> 01:05:27.959 David Clarke: we thought Harbaugh was getting shit canned if he didn't… if he… if what happened, essentially what happened, happened. So… I'm just… I don't know, I don't wanna… I don't wanna talk out of both sides of my mouth. Who would I pick as a head coach? Like, if I… if the Bears had to hire one of them tomorrow? Harbaugh, every day of the week, twice on Sundays, of course. 531 01:05:28.290 --> 01:05:29.270 David Clarke: But… 532 01:05:30.170 --> 01:05:42.830 David Clarke: I also, at the same time, and I think you can hold both of these thoughts in your head, I think that Harbaugh's taken Lamar and that Ravens team, basically, as far as they're gonna go. I think we've seen it. I think we've seen their ceiling. So, you know… 533 01:05:43.360 --> 01:05:47.750 David Clarke: it's not to say that Lamar can't get, like, put in better playoff performances and like that. 534 01:05:47.930 --> 01:05:51.290 David Clarke: will make an impact, but I just think that, like, you know what they are now. 535 01:05:51.740 --> 01:06:03.209 David Clarke: Right? You know what they are now, and I just think that it's… the blueprint's there for all… like, they're kind of a… I thought they were at the end of their window. Was I out of line to think that that Harbaugh window had already ended and he gets one more? 536 01:06:04.780 --> 01:06:06.059 Mike Marcangelo: I think he gets one more. 537 01:06:06.060 --> 01:06:10.050 David Clarke: Well, he does, but I mean, I just… I was… am I crazy to have been surprised? 538 01:06:10.250 --> 01:06:16.440 Mike Marcangelo: Even if it happens again this year, which I think it's going to, they're gonna win 12 games, 13 games, and not make the Super Bowl, and. 539 01:06:16.440 --> 01:06:22.260 David Clarke: Yeah, I mean, I guess I did just make the point, like, every time you fire a good coach, it goes badly. Like, every time you…. 540 01:06:22.260 --> 01:06:25.600 Mike Marcangelo: You can't hold the same thing… you can't hold your beliefs about Mike Tomlin. 541 01:06:25.770 --> 01:06:26.200 David Clarke: Yeah. 542 01:06:26.200 --> 01:06:30.319 Mike Marcangelo: And be advocating for John Harbaugh to be, to be gone. 543 01:06:30.320 --> 01:06:43.680 David Clarke: I think the big difference in those situations is Lamar, though. Like, I think you have this, like, you know, very, very, very valuable piece that, like, you just need to make sure you have the guy that you're getting the most out of. You have to. 544 01:06:43.680 --> 01:06:57.410 David Clarke: you have to have that, or, like, if you piss him away. If he doesn't make a Super Bowl, like, that is such a letdown, right? Like, considering the numbers that he puts up in the regular season, and I think had an improved playoffs, you know, because he did. 545 01:06:57.450 --> 01:07:02.459 David Clarke: … I hope he… I hope that that isn't wasted, I really, I really. 546 01:07:02.460 --> 01:07:08.129 Mike Marcangelo: But then a terrible interception and a fumble in Buffalo, he's the reason you lose that game. However, again, let's not distract. 547 01:07:08.130 --> 01:07:12.510 David Clarke: He had a better playoffs. Are you disagreeing with that statement? That he had a better playoffs. 548 01:07:12.510 --> 01:07:16.079 Mike Marcangelo: Yeah, he… no, he did have a better lineups, 100%. …. 549 01:07:16.080 --> 01:07:16.970 David Clarke: We were worried for the first. 550 01:07:16.970 --> 01:07:17.600 Mike Marcangelo: I just…. 551 01:07:17.600 --> 01:07:19.839 David Clarke: You were worried your take was gonna die on the first game. 552 01:07:19.840 --> 01:07:34.350 Mike Marcangelo: I was not, I was not, never worried. I'm not going to make it take and then get worried about it, you know. But the real problem I want to talk about here is Sean McDermott has, I would say, the equal caliber of talent at quarterback as Harbaugh does. He has an easier division than he has for the last five years. 553 01:07:34.630 --> 01:07:41.350 Mike Marcangelo: And he… he still can't get that team to the Super Bowl either, right? Like, they… I mean, I guess you just… 554 01:07:41.680 --> 01:07:45.920 Mike Marcangelo: you just run into… you just run into Mahomes, and that's the same thing for everybody, but…. 555 01:07:46.200 --> 01:07:49.920 David Clarke: Mornings is getting worse every year, for the record. That's just a sneak preview of when we get to…. 556 01:07:49.920 --> 01:07:50.460 Mike Marcangelo: It's still…. 557 01:07:50.460 --> 01:07:51.459 David Clarke: Number one, number two teams. 558 01:07:51.460 --> 01:07:53.550 Mike Marcangelo: Still making the Super Bowl. 559 01:07:53.780 --> 01:07:57.070 David Clarke: Yeah, I know. Statistically, he's going down every year. 560 01:07:57.180 --> 01:08:01.339 David Clarke: But, fine. Whatever. Cool. Fuck you, Pat. …. 561 01:08:01.340 --> 01:08:04.409 Robert Kelly: And still, Joe Burrow's still the only one that fucking beat him in the playoffs. 562 01:08:04.410 --> 01:08:05.389 David Clarke: I know, I know. 563 01:08:05.390 --> 01:08:05.970 Mike Marcangelo: Correct. 564 01:08:06.450 --> 01:08:09.750 Mike Marcangelo: But he starts 0-6 every year, so he only gets one shot to do it, and he did it. 565 01:08:09.980 --> 01:08:15.509 Robert Kelly: That's fair. … I… I just think this is… 566 01:08:15.540 --> 01:08:39.650 Robert Kelly: at the end of this year, it's very possible that there's, like, 3 or 4 very high-profile jobs open, if things don't go the right way for a few of these teams. Because the Bills, man, if things don't go the right way, and they don't at least make a good push against the Chiefs, I think McDermott's done, man. I don't think you can go through this again with Josh Allen. This is the same situation here in Cincinnati, where you have an elite 567 01:08:39.649 --> 01:08:47.380 Robert Kelly: top-level quarterback, an all-time quarterback, and you cannot waste another year of this. You can't do it. You gotta get to 568 01:08:47.380 --> 01:08:48.640 Robert Kelly: That's the, that's the thing, is like. 569 01:08:48.649 --> 01:08:51.689 David Clarke: It's like, you can't actually lay any of the blame. 570 01:08:51.949 --> 01:09:11.329 David Clarke: on Josh Allen, because it feels so much more of, like, they're wasting his prime type deal, because to me, it's always looked like the defense is playing scared in pivotal, high stakes. And listen, we know when we see… we've seen it, you know, you've seen your team go through it. Play the best team in your conference, … 571 01:09:12.599 --> 01:09:29.149 David Clarke: it's down to minimal, tiny little moments, you know? Like, you're playing… I think that the conference championship games, more so than the Super Bowl, are the pinnacle of football every year. I think that watching those two games are the best football you're gonna see, because the Super Bowl, as far as a football spectacle. 572 01:09:29.469 --> 01:09:31.889 David Clarke: Can suffer from the… 573 01:09:31.949 --> 01:09:43.149 David Clarke: entertainment spectacle that it becomes. It can suffer from the multi-week break in between. It can suffer for the fact that it's the Super Bowl, so it makes certain players play fucking weird. 574 01:09:43.149 --> 01:09:53.559 David Clarke: And yeah, it's been amazing, we've seen, like, unbelievable games, but I think as far as just, like, the best teams playing their best football, that's where you see it, is the NFC Championship and the NFC Championship. 575 01:09:53.559 --> 01:09:59.829 David Clarke: And I think you know I'm right about that, right? Because you just… it's like, okay, this is like, we've gotten to the… we've gotten to the top of the mountain here. 576 01:09:59.829 --> 01:10:06.039 David Clarke: The Super Bowl, it's just, it's, you know, the lights are so bright that it's, like, you just don't know. The, … 577 01:10:06.199 --> 01:10:12.079 David Clarke: The fact that at that point is when we consistent, like, there or thereabouts. 578 01:10:12.199 --> 01:10:29.619 David Clarke: as far as the season progresses, is where we consistently see McDermott, and I… you have to say it's McDermott, because it's the defense playing scared in really, really high-stakes pivotal moments, and I think that if I was a Bills fan, because I know they overwhelmingly want to keep him, even if they don't win the Super Bowl this year, overwhelmingly they want to keep him. 579 01:10:29.869 --> 01:10:34.389 David Clarke: I think if I'm a Bills fan, I am terrified of two things. That happening again. 580 01:10:35.129 --> 01:10:46.589 David Clarke: You know, despite, like, everything that comes before it, because there's a lot of focus, on this show included, on the quarterbacks when the high stakes are there and they don't come through. They get absolutely fucking slaughtered. 581 01:10:46.869 --> 01:11:02.289 David Clarke: Defensively, I think that falls at the coach's feet, you know? What did Bill Belichick always do? He always made the right defensive plays. Yeah, he had Tom Brady. Of course he had fucking Tom Brady, but he always made the right defensive plays. He never lost it for Brady, when, like, Brady was gonna go and win it. Am I not… is there something I'm not thinking of? 582 01:11:02.679 --> 01:11:08.649 Mike Marcangelo: You put Ellis Hobbs on Plexico Burst in 2007. 5'7", again, 6'4", one-on-one in the end zone, that's…. 583 01:11:08.650 --> 01:11:09.289 Robert Kelly: He also…. 584 01:11:09.290 --> 01:11:09.790 Mike Marcangelo: that one. 585 01:11:09.840 --> 01:11:13.540 Robert Kelly: He also won a Super Bowl 9-6 with Tom Brady, too, so…. 586 01:11:14.990 --> 01:11:20.770 David Clarke: I mean, I think he evens himself out at the very least. Who did he leave at home that one year for the Super Bowl? 587 01:11:20.770 --> 01:11:22.730 Mike Marcangelo: 9-6 never happened, it was 13-3. 588 01:11:23.460 --> 01:11:26.089 Robert Kelly: 13. Is that what it was? 13.3? 589 01:11:26.090 --> 01:11:27.009 Mike Marcangelo: I guess the Rams. 590 01:11:27.090 --> 01:11:27.730 David Clarke: Yeah. 591 01:11:27.960 --> 01:11:28.470 Robert Kelly: Indeed. 592 01:11:28.470 --> 01:11:30.949 David Clarke: Did he fully shut out the Falcons in the second half? 593 01:11:31.290 --> 01:11:32.639 David Clarke: Of that comeback game? 594 01:11:34.230 --> 01:11:34.990 Mike Marcangelo: Yes. 595 01:11:35.380 --> 01:11:36.360 David Clarke: I mean… 596 01:11:36.760 --> 01:11:42.120 David Clarke: It's part of it, no? Anyway, this is not the conversation we're here to have. The, …. 597 01:11:42.120 --> 01:11:45.629 Robert Kelly: Did he leave it at home? What was his name? It was the guy that… Malcolm Butler. Malcolm Butler. 598 01:11:45.630 --> 01:11:49.419 David Clarke: Butler. Left Malcolm Butler at home. That was suspect. …. 599 01:11:49.420 --> 01:11:50.680 Mike Marcangelo: I don't know what happened there. 600 01:11:50.740 --> 01:11:54.399 David Clarke: Yeah, but I mean, I thought it was that he didn't bring them. I thought he didn't get on the plane. 601 01:11:54.400 --> 01:11:58.060 Mike Marcangelo: No, he, he, he put him into two field goal blocks. 602 01:11:58.060 --> 01:12:03.920 David Clarke: Was he there, like, did he get left at home, like, the week before, so there was, like, or anything like that? Like, did he play the AOC championship? 603 01:12:03.920 --> 01:12:09.120 Mike Marcangelo: He played two snaps of that Super Bowl, and none of them were on the defensive side of the ball. 604 01:12:09.120 --> 01:12:12.940 David Clarke: Did he have sex with Bill's wife? Like, what happened? Does anyone know what happened? 605 01:12:12.940 --> 01:12:14.130 Mike Marcangelo: Nobody knows what happened. 606 01:12:15.080 --> 01:12:16.070 David Clarke: Yikes. 607 01:12:16.070 --> 01:12:17.150 Robert Kelly: Still don't know what happened. 608 01:12:17.770 --> 01:12:23.219 David Clarke: Yeah, they keep… they play things pretty close to the chest over there, back in… back in New England, back in the before times. 609 01:12:23.570 --> 01:12:35.399 David Clarke: Yeah, no, no, I mean, I guess you're right, and you can't lay it quite at Harbaugh's feet yet. You know, I'd probably blame Lamar a little bit more, too, than I would Josh Allen, so I guess you're right, it… I think he should be more on the hot seat than he actually is. I just think that… 610 01:12:35.520 --> 01:12:40.440 David Clarke: They're really high on them there, over there in Buffalo, they really like them. So… I guess we'll see. 611 01:12:44.340 --> 01:12:45.940 Mike Marcangelo: Was that a question, or was that a statement? 612 01:12:45.940 --> 01:12:55.960 David Clarke: No, it was sort of me, like, it was sort of me, like, just trailing off and, like, letting the moment relax as we talk about the Chiefs and the Eagles. Chiefs got beat up so bad in that Super Bowl, they maybe should be lower. 613 01:12:56.610 --> 01:13:02.419 David Clarke: Yeah, I don't know. That would be the one sort of point I would make about these top-tier teams here. …. 614 01:13:02.930 --> 01:13:04.029 Robert Kelly: I couldn't…. 615 01:13:04.030 --> 01:13:05.550 David Clarke: at every position, and like… 616 01:13:05.790 --> 01:13:15.390 David Clarke: They're finally the favorites. They're finally gonna be the favorites all season over the Kansas City Chiefs, which I actually like. I actually thank you for that, the Eagles. It's a much more interesting conversation. 617 01:13:16.080 --> 01:13:22.779 Robert Kelly: Of course, of course. And I just couldn't actually put the Bills or the Ravens above the Chiefs until they actually beat them. 618 01:13:22.780 --> 01:13:41.839 Robert Kelly: You know, that might change going into the season, depending on how the Kansas City offense ends up looking, depending on how they ended the year last year. But in my opinion, anytime you have an all-star quarterback, or a high-level quarterback like this, and you see them go out like that in the last game, usually the next year. 619 01:13:42.350 --> 01:13:47.730 Robert Kelly: they make big things happen. I've seen it happen before, Tom Brady did it, you know, he had the cold. 620 01:13:47.730 --> 01:13:49.389 David Clarke: That's not usually. 621 01:13:49.900 --> 01:13:55.690 Robert Kelly: Peyton Manning has done it. 622 01:13:55.690 --> 01:14:12.249 David Clarke: he was losing. Like, that was just going from losing all the time to finally not. That's different, I think, than, like, winning a bunch, getting slapped down, and then coming… like, you can't, like, he's not… I mean, yeah, that would be pretty impressive to do what, like, Tom Brady did, right? Like… 623 01:14:12.270 --> 01:14:29.990 David Clarke: By suffering, like, a tough defeat in the Super Bowl. There's a Super Bowl hangover incoming, in my opinion. I really, I really believe that that's the case. I think that there's gonna be… it's… when teams lose the Super Bowl, like, their seasons historically fucking suck afterwards. Like, it's just a thing that happens all the time. 624 01:14:30.430 --> 01:14:44.439 Robert Kelly: Last year, though, was the worst season that we've seen out of Patrick Mahomes' offense, and the reason they got to the Super Bowl is because of that defense. They returned the entire defense, and in my opinion, Patrick Mahomes isn't having that same type season this season. 625 01:14:44.440 --> 01:14:45.130 David Clarke: They might be fine. 626 01:14:45.130 --> 01:14:45.600 Robert Kelly: I just…. 627 01:14:45.600 --> 01:15:00.379 David Clarke: traumatized by how badly they got run all over in that Super Bowl, though. Like, this is what I'm saying, like, that was a really high-profile, like, absolute beatdown of their defense. So, like, the Eagles were doing whatever they wanted for the entire game, and then they, like, pulled their starters. Like, it was bad. 628 01:15:00.400 --> 01:15:09.309 David Clarke: Like, Brady never got beat like that. Like, he never, ever got beat like that. So, if we're doing Brady v. Mahomes, like, I'm putting that on the… 629 01:15:09.350 --> 01:15:19.509 David Clarke: thing. I'm putting that on the docket of, like, why, like, why it'll never be Pat at this point, because unless he has… like, first of all, like I always say. 630 01:15:19.730 --> 01:15:26.069 David Clarke: You better win as many, and you haven't done that yet, or do something like win 3 in a row, which… 631 01:15:26.270 --> 01:15:42.570 David Clarke: That now hasn't happened, thank fucking God for the Philadelphia Eagles, a sentence I never thought I'd say. I mean, this is what they do, though, they prevent three-peats, they prevented Brady's, too. So, you know, it's, … I'm really grateful that they exist, to be honest with you, for that reason, but I… 632 01:15:42.940 --> 01:15:45.149 David Clarke: Really feel strongly that 633 01:15:45.310 --> 01:15:55.540 David Clarke: it's gonna be a tough road ahead for the Chiefs. I think that, yeah, their defense is good, but I think a lot of their aura went away, man. I think a lot of their mystique went away. I think… 634 01:15:55.960 --> 01:15:58.110 David Clarke: This is the most beatable playoff here. 635 01:15:58.240 --> 01:16:00.740 David Clarke: for the Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes that we've… 636 01:16:00.880 --> 01:16:19.069 David Clarke: seen since they won their first championship. And I think that's because a lot of what happens to your Josh Allens, your Buffalo Bills, your Baltimore Ravens, your Lamar Jacksons, is they fucking get in their head about Arrowhead. That's why we know Big Dick Joe Burrow, fucking Big Balls Burrow, was the only one to ever come in and actually do it. 637 01:16:19.800 --> 01:16:38.119 David Clarke: I'll still call him a bunch of pussies. Even if they beat one of the two of them beats Mahomes in the playoffs this year, because it's like, yeah, well, you needed to wait until he had been stabbed by a thousand swords. You're like one of those shitty matadors in Spain that fucking, like, has to stab the fucking thing, like, 19 times before you beat it. Fistfight it, bitch! Like Joe Burrow did. … 638 01:16:38.250 --> 01:16:48.139 David Clarke: You won't. So, you know, I think we're gonna see the first year where either Lamar or Josh gets a dub over, over Mahomes. That's… that's my… 639 01:16:48.520 --> 01:16:59.150 David Clarke: best guess at how this season's gonna go. Super Bowl hangover, defense got its pants taken down in the Super Bowl in front of everybody, Kendrick Lamar watched that happen to you. They were Drake, the Eagles were Kendrick. 640 01:16:59.420 --> 01:17:15.360 David Clarke: It was… it was… tis… tis the season of absolute embarrassing beatdowns, and we were all happy to see it, so don't act like you weren't happy, too. I was happy to see that dynasty get fucking embarrassed on national television. So was Bobby, so was Mike, everybody, just so you guys know. No one's denying it. 641 01:17:15.360 --> 01:17:19.460 Robert Kelly: I was a little less happy because it was the fucking Eagles, but still. 642 01:17:19.580 --> 01:17:21.870 David Clarke: You still didn't want to see them 3-peat, though. 643 01:17:23.590 --> 01:17:25.340 Robert Kelly: It was really, like, a lose-lose situation. 644 01:17:25.340 --> 01:17:27.280 Mike Marcangelo: I don't think, I don't think he cares. 645 01:17:27.280 --> 01:17:27.660 David Clarke: No? 646 01:17:27.660 --> 01:17:30.160 Robert Kelly: Yeah, it was a lose-lose situation, no matter what happened. 647 01:17:30.160 --> 01:17:41.979 David Clarke: Mike really didn't want to see the 3P, because obviously that would have, like, launched Mahomes into a… and I didn't, for that, honestly, same reason, because I still wouldn't have said he was equal to or better. But it would have been, like, at what everybody would know, shut the fuck up. 648 01:17:41.980 --> 01:17:46.619 Mike Marcangelo: How could it be better than a guy that has more and beat him forward? You know. 649 01:17:46.620 --> 01:17:55.149 David Clarke: Hasmore beat him for it, the Atlanta comeback and Brady never got beat like that are always gonna be the four tenets of my argument. 650 01:17:55.370 --> 01:18:08.070 David Clarke: In the Brady vs. So Mahomes debate, one of which, I don't know if you remember, but for the past 3 years, I've been begging us not to have as a world. I've been like, it shouldn't be a conversation yet. I don't think the Montana conversation's been had yet. And I think that's… 651 01:18:08.400 --> 01:18:31.209 David Clarke: Like, I don't think he's above Joe Montana, like, to be totally honest with you. And that was like, how are you gonna beat Tom Brady with that stick? Every fucking year, as he got better and better and did more cool shit? You beat him with the Joe Montana stick. Now you gotta get beat with the Joe Montana stick and the Tom Brady stick. That's just how it works. You know, you gotta get… you gotta go through the rankings and through the gauntlet, and quite frankly, I… we're not gonna do it right now because we're running out of time, but… 652 01:18:31.220 --> 01:18:37.559 David Clarke: I could 1000%, I think, make the case that Montana is still a better QB statistically. 653 01:18:37.560 --> 01:18:53.019 David Clarke: a better QB as far as, like, the era that he played in, the numbers that he has compared to, like, how pass-heavy offenses were, blah blah blah blah blah. I would mount the argument. So, like, don't come to me with Patrick Mahomes versus Tom Brady, ever, after that fucking shellacking, please. 654 01:18:53.020 --> 01:19:08.189 Mike Marcangelo: I would just say, in support of the Kansas City Chiefs, season, if Rasheed Rice, just to have somebody else drive his fucking car for the remainder of his career, Juju plays half of what he did last year, but if Hollywood Brown's healthy. 655 01:19:08.310 --> 01:19:18.840 Mike Marcangelo: Xavier Worthy, I mean, he's one of the fastest motherfuckers I've ever seen on the football field. I just think their offense has a chance to be more dynamic. It couldn't be less dynamic than it was last year. 656 01:19:18.840 --> 01:19:30.719 David Clarke: I mean, I think it kind of hinges on if Travis Kelsey means what he says when he was like, oh, I wasn't… I was, like, eating tea kicks with Taylor Swift, I should have, like, been more focused on football. … if he has a… if he can return to form. 657 01:19:30.910 --> 01:19:34.890 David Clarke: I think that would be of the form of, like, 2 seasons ago, or 3 seasons ago. 658 01:19:34.890 --> 01:19:37.560 Mike Marcangelo: He just can't be your number one option anymore. 659 01:19:37.560 --> 01:19:54.539 David Clarke: No, but I think that, like, I think that we were all still pretty convinced he could turn it on in the playoffs, and, like, that didn't even really happen, so, like, if that's still the case, then I'd really worry about their postseason hopes. … I agree with you guys, though. I think that, obviously, they're still the Chiefs, but lastly, we do have the Philadelphia Eagles to talk about, and, like. 660 01:19:55.370 --> 01:20:09.640 David Clarke: your best defensive lineman was their third best defensive lineman last year. So, you know, it's really hard to even argue about whether or not the Eagles are stacked, because they fucking are. So, they're gonna be the frontrunners all year. 661 01:20:09.960 --> 01:20:15.740 Mike Marcangelo: They just got my guy, John Mechie, from Houston, so they have a… he'll play. He'll play. 662 01:20:15.740 --> 01:20:16.929 David Clarke: And he will. 663 01:20:16.930 --> 01:20:18.340 Mike Marcangelo: He will. 664 01:20:18.530 --> 01:20:34.879 David Clarke: And it's gonna be in Philadelphia, I really love that. They're gonna be hard to knock off this number one spot, like you wrote here, Bob, in the rundown. It's gonna be really, really hard to unseat them, maybe easier than it was to unseat the Chiefs last year. Even though you didn't want to get burned, like you had the year before by, like, kind of being down on them until… 665 01:20:34.880 --> 01:20:44.769 David Clarke: they won a Super Bowl. I wouldn't do that with the Eagles. I know you have biases, I know that you have things to say about the Philadelphia Eagles as an organization, about Philadelphia as a city and the people that inhabit it, but… 666 01:20:44.830 --> 01:21:03.019 David Clarke: don't take them off the power rankings unless it really becomes obvious that they somehow have, like, are taking them down from number one. I doubt they're ever gonna leave the top 10, but I know your biases are there, but, like, don't do that to yourself, because we're… we should just leave them there safely and talk about the rest of the teams for the rest of the year, would be my best advice. But you do what you want to do, man. 667 01:21:03.250 --> 01:21:15.200 Robert Kelly: Just for perspective, this is like you ranking the Packers number one in your power rankings. That's… that's how much it pains me to put the goddamn Philadelphia Eagles at number one. 668 01:21:15.200 --> 01:21:16.579 Mike Marcangelo: He would never do it. 669 01:21:16.580 --> 01:21:17.140 David Clarke: That would never happen. 670 01:21:17.140 --> 01:21:17.820 Robert Kelly: That's what I don't. 671 01:21:17.820 --> 01:21:20.229 David Clarke: rankings. You know, like, you're far above…. 672 01:21:20.230 --> 01:21:20.730 Robert Kelly: away. 673 01:21:20.730 --> 01:21:40.100 David Clarke: institution. Like, you respect the game. You know, you respect the institution, the power rankings, that's why you're in charge of them. That's why you are their caretaker, you know, their custodian. If I did the power rankings, I would do ridiculous shit. Like, if the Packers just put on the Eagles performance and had the Eagles roster, and all the same things were true about them, I still wouldn't have them in number one. 674 01:21:40.100 --> 01:21:44.600 David Clarke: I may not even have them in the top 10. It would create such havoc and chaos. 675 01:21:44.600 --> 01:21:51.129 David Clarke: Yeah, yeah, I think that 12's pretty good for them, to be honest with you. It was a pretty lucky run. I would just be saying ludicrous shit like that, so… 676 01:21:51.130 --> 01:22:09.039 David Clarke: that's why you're the custodian of the whole thing, you know what I mean? I think it'd be hard for the Patriots to drag themselves off of 32 the past two seasons, if Mike's running it. So, you actually do a pretty good job, I think, of being unbiased. Probably especially because the… lately, because the Cowboys are a lot less good, and you've come to terms with that. 677 01:22:09.040 --> 01:22:18.119 David Clarke: When the Cowboys were good, there was a little bit more conflict there, but honestly, not any… not any worse than I would have been. In fact, significantly better than I would have been if my team was… 678 01:22:18.120 --> 01:22:21.130 David Clarke: At that level, ever. 679 01:22:21.130 --> 01:22:27.920 Robert Kelly: I think the Cowboys have been at one once in the entire iteration of the Power Rangers. I think it's happened one time. 680 01:22:27.920 --> 01:22:33.590 David Clarke: I think the most egregious one was when we ranked the, QBs, and you put Dak in, like, the top 5. I think that was the…. 681 01:22:33.590 --> 01:22:34.509 Robert Kelly: Most of previously. 682 01:22:35.350 --> 01:22:42.270 Mike Marcangelo: His exact quote, his exact quote was, he has the stats to be a top-two QB in the NFL, and I almost. 683 01:22:42.270 --> 01:22:47.319 Robert Kelly: I'm that year. Bro, he did that year. He was… remember, he was an MVP candidate? Come on. 684 01:22:47.600 --> 01:22:50.669 David Clarke: Candidate. I'm an MVP candidate. Candidate? 685 01:22:52.140 --> 01:22:55.870 David Clarke: Maybe he's Ralph Nader. Remember when he figured out…. 686 01:22:55.870 --> 01:22:59.599 Robert Kelly: You know, he figured out footwork, and how that works as a quarterback. 687 01:22:59.600 --> 01:23:10.349 David Clarke: I don't know if you knew this, but footwork's kind of important. I was like, don't say things like that. Please, don't say things like that. You need to run your fucking shit. They all need social media managers at this point. I'm a fan of Saquon. 688 01:23:10.890 --> 01:23:11.889 David Clarke: I really enjoyed the performance. 689 01:23:11.890 --> 01:23:12.230 Mike Marcangelo: Yeah. 690 01:23:12.230 --> 01:23:15.699 David Clarke: they put in in that Super Bowl. I don't hate the Eagles by any stretch. 691 01:23:16.110 --> 01:23:20.730 Robert Kelly: It worries me this year, I get a lot. I'm not gonna lie. The… No. 692 01:23:20.730 --> 01:23:21.080 David Clarke: Like, take. 693 01:23:21.080 --> 01:23:21.760 Robert Kelly: input. 694 01:23:21.760 --> 01:23:22.140 David Clarke: Easy. 695 01:23:23.200 --> 01:23:34.789 Robert Kelly: He had 378 touches last year, which is by far a career high. So, I don't know if he can put that much work on his legs again this year, and they're definitely gonna need to rely on him just as much to be. 696 01:23:34.790 --> 01:23:45.619 David Clarke: I mean, yeah, it's a career… it's a career workload, because he did barely finish a season for his first three seasons or 4 seasons in the NFL, right? So it's like, it's not hard to have a career touchline for Saquon Park. 697 01:23:45.620 --> 01:23:46.790 Robert Kelly: 278's a lot of touches. 698 01:23:46.790 --> 01:23:48.450 David Clarke: It is a lot. No, no, fair enough. 699 01:23:48.660 --> 01:23:53.770 Mike Marcangelo: to build on TK's point, though, like, of those 378 touches, I would imagine that 700 01:23:54.060 --> 01:24:00.000 Mike Marcangelo: 75% less of them were met with tackles behind the line of scrimmage as they were. 701 01:24:00.000 --> 01:24:02.410 David Clarke: He was so… he was so clean, like, he had. 702 01:24:02.410 --> 01:24:02.779 Mike Marcangelo: It was a…. 703 01:24:02.780 --> 01:24:15.209 David Clarke: clean lanes. He put running on his legs, but he didn't put a ton of hits on his legs. It wasn't like prime AP, like, dude, just go out of bounds, you don't need that last yard. You know, it was like, he was scorching everybody, so it was kind of like…. 704 01:24:15.260 --> 01:24:17.109 Mike Marcangelo: Because, you know, like…. 705 01:24:17.110 --> 01:24:25.509 David Clarke: put that fucking Giants GM on suicide watch, like, Saquon's bursting through the hole again. Like, that was the theme of last season, it wasn't like, wow, he runs so hard, you know? 706 01:24:25.950 --> 01:24:29.319 Mike Marcangelo: Maybe don't, like, jump and reverse hurdle anymore, though. Like, you shouldn't. 707 01:24:29.320 --> 01:24:31.560 David Clarke: It was sick. 708 01:24:31.840 --> 01:24:33.200 David Clarke: Doom, do that, that was…. 709 01:24:33.200 --> 01:24:35.459 Robert Kelly: He got popped on that play, too. He got popped. 710 01:24:35.460 --> 01:24:36.110 Mike Marcangelo: Right. 711 01:24:36.110 --> 01:24:40.319 David Clarke: That was fucking nasty, dude. That was sick. 712 01:24:40.760 --> 01:24:42.069 David Clarke: I really enjoyed it. 713 01:24:42.180 --> 01:24:45.639 David Clarke: That was one of the coolest highlights I've ever seen. 714 01:24:45.640 --> 01:24:58.580 David Clarke: Like, genuinely, one of the coolest things I've witnessed in watching sports, like, in my life. I… I was so impressed by that. Just the momentum running, you know? Like, the Saquon's such a ma… like, a master of downhill momentum running, to the point of, like. 715 01:24:58.580 --> 01:25:07.260 David Clarke: he only did the backwards jump because he had sort of been knocked, like, in a 180 degree way, so he was like, I know that guy's there, I'm pretty sure I can just fucking jump. 716 01:25:07.260 --> 01:25:15.529 David Clarke: And it's like, oh my god, you pressed Y? You pressed Y in that situation? That was a circle situation, and you pressed Y, that was really. 717 01:25:15.530 --> 01:25:16.949 Robert Kelly: Definitely a circle situation. 718 01:25:16.950 --> 01:25:31.789 David Clarke: Yeah, I'm, I'm incredibly… because, yeah, he, you know, you go down, but you don't die. I was worried for his spine in midair. I was worried for my spine watching it, to be honest with you. I was like, I love my back watching Saquon Barkley jump on TV. 719 01:25:32.220 --> 01:25:32.740 David Clarke: Huh! 720 01:25:32.740 --> 01:25:40.339 Robert Kelly: Eagles fans… Eagles fans would be pissed if we didn't mention Devonte Smith in the number 2 wide receiver conversation. He's up there, too. 721 01:25:40.340 --> 01:25:54.380 David Clarke: That's a good point. Yeah, we did forget him. There's a lot of good wide receiver 2s right now, I have to say, in our defense. Like, we named a lot of them. I might have said Rome early after thinking about some of the ones that I forgot, but … I do like him as a two. I mean, it's a good two. 722 01:25:54.880 --> 01:26:01.610 David Clarke: Anything else? Anything… any other crazy storylines? What's going on with, with, Parsons? Is he gonna… what's going on? 723 01:26:02.010 --> 01:26:18.290 Robert Kelly: Last I checked, his brother posted a story saying how bad he wanted to be out there, but I don't know what the fuck that means, if, you know, that means he's actually coming back or not. I don't fucking know, man. I'm not… I'm not optimistic, to be honest. It doesn't look like he's playing week one, I gotta be honest. 724 01:26:18.290 --> 01:26:22.919 David Clarke: What do you make in the, what do you make of the Jerry Jones just likes to keep the Cowboys in the news theory? 725 01:26:24.020 --> 01:26:32.289 Mike Marcangelo: I mean, we know it, it's just, like, he's just saying the quiet part out loud, right? Like, we've… we've seen this our entire lives. 726 01:26:32.430 --> 01:26:38.230 Mike Marcangelo: He can't win a championship, he hasn't won in 30 years, he can't get to an NFC title game, so he just. 727 01:26:38.230 --> 01:26:41.489 Robert Kelly: We can release eight-part Netflix documentaries, though. 728 01:26:42.160 --> 01:26:42.999 Mike Marcangelo: You sure can. 729 01:26:43.000 --> 01:26:46.589 David Clarke: He couldn't prevent, reintegration of schools. 730 01:26:47.010 --> 01:26:48.549 David Clarke: No matter how hard he tries. 731 01:26:48.700 --> 01:26:52.370 Mike Marcangelo: If we just stick to him as, like, the owner of the Cowboys… 732 01:26:52.880 --> 01:26:56.790 Mike Marcangelo: I would just say, he… I mean… 733 01:26:57.590 --> 01:27:05.859 Mike Marcangelo: I would not be surprised if Michael was traded week 2, and I don't know what kind of haul they're gonna get for him, but…. 734 01:27:05.860 --> 01:27:10.020 David Clarke: That's my whole thing, though, that haul's bananas, like, I don't know who has it. 735 01:27:12.120 --> 01:27:13.780 Mike Marcangelo: The Texans have it. 736 01:27:15.310 --> 01:27:18.479 Robert Kelly: Listen, I just don't get… if you're gonna pay…. 737 01:27:18.480 --> 01:27:20.820 David Clarke: I don't think he's… I don't think he's trading him to the Texans. 738 01:27:20.820 --> 01:27:28.109 Robert Kelly: You're gonna pay CeeDee what you're paying him, you're gonna pay Dak what you're paying him, why the fuck wouldn't you pony up to pay my gut? It's the same thing with the Bengals. 739 01:27:28.110 --> 01:27:29.520 David Clarke: I don't know why they just pony back. 740 01:27:30.190 --> 01:27:31.460 Mike Marcangelo: To be totally honest with you. 741 01:27:31.460 --> 01:27:33.940 Robert Kelly: Agreed, agreed, agreed there. 742 01:27:33.940 --> 01:27:36.380 David Clarke: That was the mistake, just pay Mike instead. 743 01:27:36.790 --> 01:27:37.880 David Clarke: If it's me. 744 01:27:39.200 --> 01:27:43.770 David Clarke: I honestly think the right move that year was to, like, look at Dak and be like, see what you can get. 745 01:27:44.300 --> 01:27:44.990 David Clarke: Why don't you go see. 746 01:27:44.990 --> 01:27:47.119 Mike Marcangelo: Because Joe Milton might be the answer. 747 01:27:47.930 --> 01:27:50.239 Robert Kelly: Joe Burton hasn't looked great, so I don't know. 748 01:27:51.990 --> 01:27:59.059 David Clarke: It's been a tough… it's been a tough preseason so far. You did… you did draft Trey Lance a few years ago, if you remember, right? The, …. 749 01:27:59.290 --> 01:28:00.559 Robert Kelly: Well, we traded for him. 750 01:28:00.750 --> 01:28:05.340 David Clarke: Sure. Oh, you traded for him, right. I mean, why, though? You know, like, why do that? 751 01:28:05.620 --> 01:28:07.610 David Clarke: If you, if you, like, a really…. 752 01:28:07.610 --> 01:28:10.429 Mike Marcangelo: for a 6-round pick. For a 6-round pick. 753 01:28:10.430 --> 01:28:11.999 David Clarke: That's high. That's high at that point. 754 01:28:12.000 --> 01:28:19.090 Mike Marcangelo: You got the number 3 overall pick from 2 years ago. 3 years ago, whatever it was. Yeah, and it went exactly as one would expect. 755 01:28:19.610 --> 01:28:21.130 David Clarke: So… 756 01:28:21.490 --> 01:28:26.799 David Clarke: I don't know, this is, like, this is strange, strange behavior by it from Jerry Jones, like, on a consistent basis, but…. 757 01:28:26.800 --> 01:28:32.500 Mike Marcangelo: I know that we have the prediction show next week, so I'm just gonna give you a little… just a little big market tease. 758 01:28:33.010 --> 01:28:37.030 Mike Marcangelo: Because I'm not picking the AFC, but the Patriots will have more wins than the Cowboys this year. 759 01:28:37.320 --> 01:28:37.880 David Clarke: Oof. 760 01:28:40.270 --> 01:28:42.090 David Clarke: I don't know, I'd say they're neck and neck. 761 01:28:42.380 --> 01:28:47.000 David Clarke: I'd say they're, like, I'd say they're right around, yeah, it's like they're right around 8 or 9 wins. 762 01:28:47.250 --> 01:28:52.009 David Clarke: Like, both of them. So, it's… it's a… one gets the over, one gets the under, it's a matter of who. 763 01:28:52.460 --> 01:28:56.440 David Clarke: … I'd still probably see the Cowboys win 10 games. 764 01:28:57.390 --> 01:28:59.239 Robert Kelly: If Mike is there, if Mike is there, he can get…. 765 01:28:59.240 --> 01:28:59.909 David Clarke: If Mike is there. 766 01:29:00.040 --> 01:29:04.959 Mike Marcangelo: Please don't say that next week. I don't want to argue with you about the Cobbles, please. Just don't say that next week. 767 01:29:04.960 --> 01:29:15.940 David Clarke: Tune in next week for me and Mike's argument about the Cowboys. Alright, this was fun. Thanks, guys. We've power ranked the whole NFL, we're gonna predict their records next week. And then the week after that, we're gonna watch… 768 01:29:16.300 --> 01:29:19.399 David Clarke: the kickoff of the national football season. I'm sorry! 769 01:29:19.400 --> 01:29:23.810 Robert Kelly: Scott Hansen… Scott Hansen is two weeks away from our life. Two weeks. 770 01:29:23.810 --> 01:29:25.500 David Clarke: Just can't wait! 771 01:29:25.500 --> 01:29:28.199 Robert Kelly: For 7 hours of commercial-free football. 772 01:29:28.200 --> 01:29:29.989 David Clarke: If you guys are excited as I'm…. 773 01:29:31.400 --> 01:29:34.819 Robert Kelly: That's right, that's right, they have little tiny ads now. 774 01:29:34.820 --> 01:29:44.729 David Clarke: Yeah, he doesn't get to say that anymore, he hasn't been allowed to say that for a while, but it doesn't matter, it's still an electric viewing experience, just, like, red zoning mainline into your eyeballs, every Sunday. 775 01:29:44.770 --> 01:29:55.939 David Clarke: Can't wait, love that we're kicking off on Thursday. That's the big advantage to the Thursday game, is that, like, you just get football earlier in the week. You don't have to, like, wait that long, even though the Thursday games are never good, maybe we'll figure that out this season, who knows? 776 01:29:56.430 --> 01:29:58.820 David Clarke: But for myself, for the real BK, 777 01:29:59.190 --> 01:30:02.479 David Clarke: Money, Mike Marc Angelo, this has been Missing the Point.