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Antonio Brown needs help, NFL playoff team odds , and should we be celebrating Ben Roethlisberger?

Antonio Brown needs help, NFL playoff team odds , and should we be celebrating Ben Roethlisberger?

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This week, we dive into the biggest storylines coming out of Week 17 in the NFL including the situation in Tampa Bay between the Buccaneers and WR Antonio Brown, Ben Roethlisberger potentially playing his last home game as a Pittsburgh Steeler at Heinz Field, and if we should even be celebrating his career given his past transgressions, and if he was given a pass over other athletes.

We also take a look at the playoff odds for each of the current playoff teams.
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Hosts: Dave Clarke, Rayshawn Buchannan, Bob Kelly
Producer: Craig D'Alessandro
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Transcript
Dave Clarke:

I never played baseball. I threw a baseball for my first ever time when I was like no joke like 22. And

Rob Kelly:

oh, you're your cricket guy, right?

Dave Clarke:

Never. No, not fucking crazy. What do I fucking? Oh my God, that's the coolest thing. Honestly, I tried cricket. I mean, I can't.

Rob Kelly:

It's impossible to understand when a game goes, baseballs are ready to walk up wicked durley Bro, let's make baseball but let's make it last 14 hours instead of four. I'm

Dave Clarke:

pretty sure Cricket was first.

Rob Kelly:

Yeah, you're right. It was right. But

Dave Clarke:

they're like, let's make baseball. What's baseball? Don't worry about don't

Rob Kelly:

worry about we'll get there.

Dave Clarke:

So it's like baseball. Like what?

Rob Kelly:

I feel like this. This could be a scene and Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure.

Dave Clarke:

Have you seen the new content? Have you seen? Have you seen the new villains and it was

Rob Kelly:

awesome. So good. So fucking good. The new reboots, I gotta say are coming in hard and they're coming in awesome.

Dave Clarke:

You know why? You want to know why cuz you're old. All you have to selgin

Rob Kelly:

the matrix reboot is rebooted. I loved it.

Dave Clarke:

I love the front of it. I was like, I was all in. They made

Rob Kelly:

fun of how can you make fun of when they're making fun of themselves for 45 minutes of the movie? Right? Literally tell. Have you guys I'll say I got the gist. Okay, but so they literally tell Keanu Reeves, right in the movie. Like, hey, you better get on board with this. Because if you don't we're gonna do it without you. Yeah, you literally probably the conversation they had with cat. No, I'm

Dave Clarke:

pretty sure they probably went to that witch house, the sister that directed it. It was like we're gonna make it regardless of you. And she was like, alright, well, I'll just, I'll do it then. Because, you know, I don't want you to fuck it up. Even though like There's nothing. There's like no story left to tell. But he gets put back in the matrix. That's the best part. It's so good. I've been saying that for years. I've been saying for years. The only way to make a new Matrix movie is to put him back in the matrix. That's the because the only good thing about the matrix was him getting yanked out of that fucking GUI uterus at the fucking stop started the fucking movie and he's all bald and like fucking there's like tubes coming out of them. It's like one of the greatest proceeds in science fiction history, which that line that fuckin birthing scene from The Matrix is one of the greatest things of science fiction history like will be on my gravestone. I've said that so many times in my life, like if it was like take a shot every time Dave says that every the world will be drunk. Let's start the show. The Antonio Brown situation is a bitter, I wouldn't say even a polarizing one at this point. Because I it's everyone just fed up. I feel like I'm fed up like I want. There's a part of me that wants to be empathetic about it. But like, Alright, let me ask you this. Right. Why did he do that? Can you explain it? Can anyone explain it?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I mean, I don't think it was I don't think it was a definitive answer. Obviously. I think that he No, he definitely does. I mean, it listen, at the end of the day, he has not been right as much as perfect laid his ass out in a playoff game years ago. He gets a concussion know how big he like he laid him out. So you know, we don't I feel like we make many jokes about CTE. And, you know, once again, sometimes it's funny, sometimes it's not. But all back in the day, I think people really just fade away and be like, you open it up and said that, um, you know, he's guided multiple chances. So he got chances away when he got a chance in Las Vegas. He got he actually has a Tampa Bay. And you know, he's burned a lot of bridges. Um, and it's just like, oh, I mean, at what point does enough now for the people that he's speaking about? Oh, well, he could have made 333,000 And he could just he could have said well, my responsible forever and always be well, if you don't get a fucking fake vaccination card and be up for three games. You meet those incentives, guess what, you get your money. And we don't see him walking off the field. Like he's leading a fucker YMCA song. You know what with you know, it was what the just pounded MetLife Stadium, so I don't know. I mean, I said if people are fed up great, and they're supportive, great, but it's unfortunate that it happened that way. Um, but he's definitely a lost cause. When it comes to football at this moment. I hope he gets out.

Craig D'Alessandro:

He was enough before that font has perfect hit though. He was I know people tied to that, but it was enough before that.

Rob Kelly:

But he wasn't a loose he wasn't a loose cannon. He wasn't a loose cannon like that. was like

Dave Clarke:

there was a screw missing. It was just a little loose and then it just got knocked out. I mean, I don't know like is it a concussion symptom thing? Maybe? Maybe not. I do think he's got a like at the very least a personality defect at the very most a full blown mental illness but, um, I think that you know, with a guy like him, I questioned like, who's around them, you know, like, who's advising him? I never really like I never hear any of this, like about any of his people, I somebody needs to put an arm around him and be like, bro, like, you're costing yourself money. You're costing us all money. You're wasting your talent. I mean, I don't know, maybe he's not responsive to this kind of stuff. But, you know, there is a reason it keeps getting these chances. He's incredibly talented guy. You know, he's a he's a ludicrously talented guy. And yeah, there's a point for everybody where teams are just gonna be like, You know what, fucking whatever. We don't want to put up with this shit anymore. Except for probably the Cowboys or the Raiders.

Rob Kelly:

Cowboys aren't taking him anymore. Yeah,

Dave Clarke:

I mean, sure, but like, I think everyone's at their limit. But at this point, do you think he's going to play football again, Bobby, do you think that's the thing that's gonna happen?

Rob Kelly:

I don't. But I think what happened in this situation? I put this more on the box for letting it get this far if I'm being perfectly honest. Now, I don't know if you guys remember. When Antonio Brown came to the Buccaneers, Bruce Arians didn't even want him on the team. He was specifically like, he's not our kind of guy. This isn't a culture. We want this, isn't that right. But like he specifically said, If Antonio Browns steps out of line, one time, he's out. It was interesting, because maybe he got caught for the Patriots. It was controversial even cited him in the first place. So I feel like once he messed up with that vaccination ship, right. And then he knew they needed it. It was a necessity. They needed him back on the field, but he kind of still beat up they are, they do still need them. And honestly, he'd still be there. If he didn't walk off. Even if he just bitched and complained he'd still be a Tampa Bay Buccaneers. But the fact they let it get that know why he was so out of nowhere. I guess it was about an injury? I don't know.

Craig D'Alessandro:

Yeah, it was injured in an area and said he wasn't going back in.

Rob Kelly:

Yeah, I feel like when it comes down to is they areas should nip that in the bud when it came to the vaccination thing. He said if you step out of line your route, and that he stepped out of line and he was like, No, he needs to be a pivotal part of this team. And a two quarters later after he says that literally goes six quarters later. So game and a half later. Antonio Brown is not a member of our team. Let's not talk about it. What's not so you know what I mean? It's a very quick change of heart out of necessity just because of that one. So I'm pretty serious

Dave Clarke:

when the fucking lottery when they got Tom Brady, and thankfully, he, he's a great quarterback. He's the greatest quarterback of all time, but he also knows how to run a team. So at least somebody in Tampa Bay knows how to run a team because it certainly isn't Bruce Arians. But I think I mean, Ray, let me ask you this. Like, if you're, let's say the head coach at Tampa Bay, if you're Tom Brady, the guy who actually is the head coach in Tampa Bay, are you like if you're Tom Brady specifically, are you going just like it's all good ad? Come on back, buddy. It's all it's fine. I mean, at the end of the day, that dude produces he cashes passes. You know what I mean? He he catches passes. Why not?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Hell yeah. Oh, yeah. He's saying look, man, fuck ba

Rob Kelly:

on the field, literally on the field that was on the field and he walked on. He's like, You know what, guys? A third down into when I'm fucking. I'm pulling. I'm pulling a dean Portman from fucking Mighty Ducks to and get fucked.

Dave Clarke:

What is Tom Brady care about that? What does Tom Brady care about that? You think Tom Brady's losing the locker room? He doesn't give a fuck me. He's not losing that locker room. Excellent. Brady. He's the only man on earth that could get away with this. I agree with you. But I just I can't maybe he just goes like, yeah, don't worry about it, man. Come on back. It flashes that smile and then like

Rayshawn Buchanan:

and he should one like trade. We guys have already said he needs Antonio Brown like throwing a Scottie Miller every time and just because I don't even know the guy could do the chest out to the window. Just game. I would damage the hell of it without Delta Oliver thrown to honestly Blake.

Rob Kelly:

Yeah. Like he was in the Olympics before.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Okay, cool, but something. Gotcha.

Rob Kelly:

So Grayson,

Dave Clarke:

man, I hope this poor bastard doesn't listen to the podcast. He's probably so high like, I caught that touchdown

Rayshawn Buchanan:

pass again. Good. Guess what? He knows he wasn't much more than that. But now you're here for the guy that you know scored a game when it says sound I guess no, just hey, congratulations.

Dave Clarke:

All you need is one great catch man just asked David Tyree. Sorry to bring it up.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, no, that's true. He just said a birthday. Happy birthday. Remember

Dave Clarke:

that? Remember? Yeah, that's cool. I

Rayshawn Buchanan:

will cry in the car. No.

Dave Clarke:

I think Antonio Brown like I saw like a little tick tock of a dude. I think he was like a chauffeur or cab driver and he like should have picked up Antonio Brown. He was like, I got a bezel on the back. And I was like, he looks like he's fucking chillin. Like, I feel like he maybe it's the mental illness. Or he's super

Rayshawn Buchanan:

bothered right now. I mean, he's been here. He went to the next game yesterday. Like, yeah,

Rob Kelly:

he released an album that night, the night before it.

Dave Clarke:

Let's go home and record it. You think like Jesus, he's

Craig D'Alessandro:

lazy. He's like Prince and Michael Jackson. You got like 1000 He's got like 1000 tracks is waving the ball. Yeah,

Dave Clarke:

it's doesn't even know if

Rob Kelly:

there's conspiracies out there that it was that the whole show was to promote his album. So like, he did it so he could get more views and more eyes on him the day his album comes out now

Rayshawn Buchanan:

he's a genius. That's smart.

Rob Kelly:

I just say you know, business that's

Rayshawn Buchanan:

so you heard it here

Dave Clarke:

Tonio brown playing 3d chess with all you dumb fucks

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Hey, that's what it might be. They don't suppose we'll give him another chance though. Like I just seen him play for Johnson. Next year. Thanks. So I do I think Jacksonville give him a chance. Why not?

Craig D'Alessandro:

Well, art Allen Trump's trouble in this league. Yeah,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

environment left was because the coach up there next year good. He's in the running for that coach. I promise you that he'll give him a call and say look, I got this young kid, Trevor Lawrence. I need someone that he could throw to

Rob Kelly:

ruin him. And I guess there's no one there's no one in Jacksonville go and 10 for 138 and two touchdowns. It's not at all not at all.

Dave Clarke:

Three, three days, it came back to white. That's the other thing. He was making that quarter look like a fool in that game. Do and I was like he was having a fucking game. You know? And I was like, cuz I bet you that fantasy football draft this year of like, which problematic, but very talented wide receiver was gonna do well, I bet I bet on Odell Beckham Jr. Which is just like a torturous season a fantasy football cuz I'd be like, this is the week. This is the shepherd every week. I'm like, it's gonna happen. It's gonna happen. And of course, it didn't really. I mean, he had a couple of games, but, um, I think I yeah, of course, someone's gonna give them a chance, of course, like you just look at like, look at how he was out there. Look at the things he was actually doing. Like, like, definitely, that actually leads nicely into the next topic. We're gonna bring up sensitive subject trigger warning for those at home. But we were gonna talk about, you know, the Ben Roethlisberger, victory lap, and I think, what better time than while it's occurred? Um, I think the reason Antonio Brown has been consistently given chances is he's very, very talented. We have a thing in the NFL, where if you're good enough to do the job, it takes quite a lot for a team to know give you a chance to do the job. I'm in Ben Roethlisberger his case, I am fairly adamant that whenever his accolades come up, we should also put next to them the fact that he's a horrible fucking rapist,

Craig D'Alessandro:

I think allegedly. Yeah, he's

Dave Clarke:

allegedly a horrible fucking rapist, but like, you know,

Rob Kelly:

I got it. We

Dave Clarke:

keep saying we add 1000 allegedly to this podcast, it's gonna take off like a night. So like, do everyone just assume we're saying allegedly. But it's very hard crime to prove. So I but I'm just saying like, the thing is, at what point I pose this philosophical question to the group, at what point? Do we, as a fan base owe it to larger society, to ostracize people who don't live up to the basic bare minimum of moral standards that would prevent you from getting a job? If it was me or you, but because of their extreme talent in this particular field? No pun intended, they get given leeway after leeway after leeway, and you have to do a heinous crime on camera like fucking rock your girlfriend and elevator to actually even get any kind of punishment from the league a kneeling down for the national anthem however, kneeling down from the National Anthem however will get you excoriated no matter what the message is. So I just wonder you know, at what point like at what point do we stop these people letting these people get away with this like, is it the point when the fan base is say like, you know, I know he's good and he want us to servers we don't want him back anymore? Or is it the point where we pressured like to just talk to me about it talk to me,

Rob Kelly:

I just don't think if I just don't think it'll ever happen is the thing because I I don't know what it is about sports in general. But it's only like you said it's the only place where it's just acceptable human nature to separate the person from what you're leaving for like your city and things like that. Like everyone giving big better standing ovation obviously is not sitting there like yeah Ben with that dugout bra whip it out let go like that's not that's obviously not what's happening but they are

Dave Clarke:

a little like they like to like to celebrate the man you celebrate the whole man. Don't you? Like it? Like you know, when you clap? Oh, and you say oh, did we lose Bobby? For now? All right. I just feel Like when you clap the guy, when you celebrate him, you know, you celebrate sort of the whole thing, you know, the lipstick on the bathroom or like whatever the fuck he was up to that night with that four girls. So, I mean, right? What do you think is there? What's the line for you? You know, what's the line for you as far as like, moral behavior? I mean, like in the Baseball Hall of Fame, you can't fart in church and get into the fucking Hall of Fame that with that character clause or whatever. So I wonder, is it sports? Or is it the NFL in general, this has a toxic culture.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Um, it might be sports in general, but I think the NFL, I guess you can illuminate this a little bit more on many NFL. I mean, listen, we're Ray Rice. I mean, his career literally ended with that video coming out, like it was all on now at the same breath. You know, Kareem hunt, you know, he kicked somebody kicked a woman on on it was all on camera. And he made his way back. And now maybe he did the steps that he was supposed to do in order, you know, Dead Redemption. So as I call it, to get some Brian Mitchell was going on, and, you know, do all the stuff that EDIFACT to do behind the scenes. Um, but yeah, your talent will allow you to get chance after chance after chance. And I but yeah, I don't know where you draw the line. Um, I mean, hell, even Ray Lewis. Back in the day. Yeah, he killed it. He was good. Sorry, Craig. Allegedly right here. Alright, so just

Dave Clarke:

in perpetuity,

Craig D'Alessandro:

I'm just saying they never found that white suit.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah. You know, but you he was back up there next season.

Dave Clarke:

But then how is it? How inconsistent is it? Because Aaron Hernandez does that shit. He gets cut immediately. And he goes to fucking jail.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Good. He wasn't he wasn't gonna Koski baby.

Rob Kelly:

I don't wanna I don't think you're wrong. I don't think

Rayshawn Buchanan:

he wasn't growing. He wasn't scoring 17 touchdowns in the second season. Um, you know, so that I think that played a major part into it. So.

Dave Clarke:

But that's what they were literally saying. We're saying how good you are, determines how much you're going to get? Or how prominent of a role you play on the team. Yeah, determines how much you're going to get punished in the context, because I don't even I don't even know if race plays a factor in this as far as like the context of the NFL goes. I mean, I'm sure it plays a factor to some degree, but it's like, but then again, I don't know because it's like Ben Roethlisberger is like a white guy quarterback. He gets away with this like heinous crime. Michael Vick, on the other hand, does the dog fighting thing? And he gets completely excoriated by the masses. He gets murdered in the court of public opinion with and I'm not saying that's a bad thing. But it's like, you know, was there so because like is your average bug like drinking NFL thing? I take it a little bit more personally, if Mike Vick is doing some shit that Ben Roethlisberger is doing some shit. And Ben Roethlisberger is doing some frat boy shit. You know what I mean? That fits into their narrative of it.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I think with with Michael Beck. And well, I certainly by him being black. I mean, granted, he was loved in Atlanta, like we got that's not debatable, but he didn't play for the fans. He was loved down there. Right. And that's mostly a predominantly black fan base price. Um, you know, but I think, you know, I don't want to go there, but I will go there. Like, I just think we view animals differently than we view him. Human beings. can't fuck with dogs. The internet. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So you can't fuck with a bunch of earbuds. You just can't. Sorry. Um, so? Yeah, I'm just saying. So, once that happened, it was like, wait a minute, like, you, you were harming dogs. And once again, I'm against animal cruelty too. I don't think you should do this assignment. She did. What they because he was gonna be

Dave Clarke:

your nail on the head. I think you did. Cuz I think that is how people react. I personally am more of a humanist, like, I value human life more than animal life. And I, you know, I eat meat. But I do know what you mean. And I do think that a lot of people do feel that way. You're right about that. That's a good point. In that example, Bobby, before we lost you to your title you're making? You're making a good point.

Rob Kelly:

Um, I remember what it was, I said,

Dave Clarke:

you were saying that, like, it's very difficult to see in sports, for some reason, has this predator natural ability to immediately separate the man from the deeds outside of the field? Because I think and I think what you're trying to say, or what you're trying to say before is, there's this kind of weird thing about once they're on the field or on the court, they're kind of this different entity, than the people that they are, you know, in their real life? And like, do we care that what people they are in real life is, you know, right. So that's,

Rob Kelly:

it's more of like, to me when they're on the field, and when we watching them, you know, perform their job, they're more putting on act and like, it's not necessarily about their character. It's about what they're doing right in that moment. And that's why yes, it is up to their ability sometimes of how much they actually can get away with because you know what I mean, the more they do, when they're in front of us portraying this character portraying this, you know, performance of what they're doing, the more we have a tendency to look the other way. It's just the way it's always been,

Dave Clarke:

naturally a bigger news story if they're a better athlete, right?

Rob Kelly:

Right. And I just think it but it also has to do with the fact that I think it's more about for the fans, it's more about the city and the team than it is about that individual person. You know what I mean? Yes, they're going to celebrate the contributions of that person contributed towards their team. But I don't think they're really, like I said, they're not cheering for the person themselves. They're cheering for the contributions that they brought to their city and to their team and like the joy and things they brought to their wife totally.

Dave Clarke:

And to me, it's less to me honestly, it's less on the at the feet of Steelers fans to be quite honest with you, or, you know, whatever teams fans that it's that the athlete is affected by, it's less on their feet, to be honest with you, to me, it's the coverage that the national news media gives to these people. In a very, like, we've just forgotten your past transgressions, like let's clap you out, as the curtain falls down. And it's like, just for me personally, like, do you not? When you see it, and you see people like Fuck Yeah, Ben like and going on. Every show on ESPN to be like, what a great guy a way to contribute to our sport. Like, he's a fucking example. You know, he's done all these great things, and he's just had all the success in the sport. Are you not just like, Is no one gonna address the fucking elephant in the room? You know what I mean?

Rob Kelly:

So I didn't hear much of that. I feel like if you hear you know, Ben's a great human being he's doing

Dave Clarke:

good. I'm the man of the year award on ESPN, but they're what they're doing is they're the way that they're talking about him in such glowing terms. They aren't Yeah, it's in a football sense. And they're, you know, and I'm not saying anybody, you know, taking him to you know, taking them to fucking the Walter Payton man of your word or whatever. But it's like, it's certainly not I but I'm pretty sure Greg Olson wins that every year anyway. But for whatever reason.

Rob Kelly:

From from the broadcast booth, yeah, yeah.

Dave Clarke:

You know, God, he's got a weird head, huh.

Rob Kelly:

So and a crooked like,

Dave Clarke:

yeah, yeah, he was good. I liked him when he played for the bears. I was mad that we lost in the Carolina but uh, yeah. So but like, it's this thing of like, they're like, yeah, he's, you know, they talk about they want to use these words, but they talk about him as an ambassador for the game and they talk about him as a guy who is on the level with say like a Drew Brees. Like they kind of mentioned him in the same breath as like, I Drew Brees quite a bit. And I think like it you know, he's from our era. He was one of those like, Big Five Guys from our era, you know, that we kind of all grew up watching it and but the idea that we celebrate long careers in football is a good thing. Because it's fucking hard to have a long career in football. I totally get that. To me. It's just like, you can say that shit. But I really think you should mention that he's also a piece of shit for the sake of your brand, you know, for the sake of like, what what you represent because he is and everybody knows it. And just because you're not saying it when you're talking about him went into circles doesn't mean everybody doesn't know it

Rob Kelly:

is better retired four years ago, five years ago, I think it would have been talking about more. I wonder

Dave Clarke:

if he knew that I wonder kind of his publicist had that fucking conversation which is also gross. He had

Rob Kelly:

listened Time heals everything it shouldn't. It absolutely shouldn't. But the more time that goes by, the more longevity you have in your career and like more positive things since that moment, the less people are gonna remember it. Sure. And I'm sure that's

Dave Clarke:

I'm sure that's true of that girl that he raped also, but the I'm sure she's doing better now than she was you know, right after it happened. But let me ask you this in the context of the Hall of Fame shouldn't that keep him out of the fucking Hall of Fame at the very least at the bare minimum?

Rob Kelly:

That's such a slippery slope though man that's such as

Rayshawn Buchanan:

because we're slow Oh Jay Simpson alone. Oh yeah. I mean he keep kept he kept he kept

Dave Clarke:

other people that shouldn't be in there other people that shouldn't be in there does doesn't mean that we should add more people that shouldn't be in there. You can you shouldn't add to the problem to make the problem go away. You should address the problem and start to fix the problem

Rayshawn Buchanan:

to the people that's like yo OJ Simpson like to some other people that we don't know that does a wild stuff Shut up we'll never know but I want to go back to another episode that we talked about a group chat earlier. And that's one Kobe beam riot um, and I wanted to go back to your point W talking about the media coverage as the big athlete and that was Korean Russian once again if you don't know what that is he played on the Lakers around that time. It was a young player he didn't last that long, but

Rob Kelly:

that's a name bro. You pulled that out like always fucking nothing. Kareem rush 7.2 points a game

Rayshawn Buchanan:

played a bizarre you saw me people made whatever.

Dave Clarke:

I thought you I thought you're making another point about crit when he fucked his name up because he got a lot of Russian yarn.

Rob Kelly:

That a Korean brush was he's a shooting guard. You

Dave Clarke:

gotta remember that. Yeah.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Um, if like, yep, Lefty to remember but Anyways, that was rush like no one would have done would have said much that it was like okay a b Yeah he be in jail with those career way. He's just another guy to Gotham right Lakers and cost is, um, you know, it was crazy dream even when memory went on Gilbert Arenas the other one nobody was crazy like they brag brain goddess in a locker room once again that's the whole different thing but you know Digges basically blackballed, like it was like some, like when he had shot someone in the arena. It's like, Yo, like, it's amazing Jaguars curtain. He's in jail, but it was like, you know, they gave chance to test out the chance to go with arenas because he was he was that guy. So, you know, like you'd like say it just goes back to what he said. The voice helps you want more chances you are you're going to get Yes, I agree with you, Dan. They should bring it up or shut it just fade away. Um, you know, I want to be appointed by Kobe for COVID They passed away tragically. And 2020 which I can't wait was about to be two years old. That's crazy. It's been a while as well. Gayle King. Who's you know, one of the people that I know she's super cool. Oprah she did the interview. Yeah. Oh, yeah. She basically she bashed Kobe Cena you know all but you know, yeah, he was a great basketball player. Took a lot of credit for that date. I mean, Snoop Dogg was leading the charge on her and I'm not gonna lie I'm not gonna lie. I was listening. I was like, Yo, yes he did XYZ but don't like the way that just fucking happened. That's what we want to focus on like this sounds like he died in a car crash or he wouldn't robbed the bank he got shot like him his daughter other families lost their law. Oh,

Dave Clarke:

what else? What else do you really want the guy to do? What else do you really want the guy to do? What else do you really want the guy to do? He's died so there's no way to punish him anymore so

Rayshawn Buchanan:

that that that's the only time that got that got me bad honestly, like any other stuff like that. It's like we joked about earlier like, yeah, and for Office Berger passed away tomorrow. I'd be with you dude. I didn't say the same shit but I'm like the way that happened with Kobe. I'm like and his daughter to him I'm like nah, girl like this is not the time to bring this to the I'm sorry it's not the fourth read the room Gail read the Faulkner wrote that.

Rob Kelly:

When people talk about Cobis legacy as a player as a legit it's still brought up you know what I mean? It's still a thing that like was brought into

Dave Clarke:

anywhere not doing any work was to the level it was brought up before because of what racially

Rob Kelly:

not absolutely not, but it's still at the end. I feel like that is how it is going to be with that. It's like when you talk about Ben Roethlisberger. That's always the stance they get okay. He's he was very long. He was a quarterback for a very long time. won two Super Bowls. First one into shift for second one.

Dave Clarke:

He legit one didn't lose it though. Didn't lose it though.

Rob Kelly:

He didn't he definitely didn't. Willie Parker will know Right? Yeah, but

Dave Clarke:

like you know, you can be a quarterback and you can fucking lose the game for your team. Yeah, for

Rob Kelly:

sure. For sure. Right. Rex Grossman comes as Cam Newton he knows Rex bro. Yeah, Ross Ross is better actually. But just know better. A better example. Not better than Cam Newton. Okay. Um,

Dave Clarke:

I don't know. shity shity. Is he as far as I'm concerned?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I agreed agreed.

Dave Clarke:

As a fuckin all times horrible, bad performance.

Rob Kelly:

I just fit. I feel like when it comes down to his legacy, you are going to talk about it. It is going to be something that is included in that legacy is just when in that moment so like how this all started right in that moment when he's walking off the field, right in Pittsburgh. And you know, you're like, I can't wait to give or I can't believe like, you know,

Dave Clarke:

we're gonna I said we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna do this fucking victory laughter Ben Roethlisberger, looking toward the offseason have this like long Ben Robbins conversation?

Rob Kelly:

Unfortunately, they are because they're not doing it for the person that Ben Roethlisberger is, they're not doing it for his actions, any of that. They're doing it for the contributions that he made to the Steelers, winning those Super Bowls. They're pretty much giving his Super Bowls of victory lap. They're giving his 19 years and his Steelers uniform victory tournament.

Dave Clarke:

Are you saying when you say they retain? Are you talking about Steelers fans? Yes, he was organization. That's right. You guys can celebrate that guy. That's all you like. Honestly, I don't regard you what I'm talking about is the national news media. When like, at the end of the day, we've created a 24 hour news cycle and sports news. Also they need us all the time.

Rob Kelly:

Sure. You're saying like the media victory lap, not like the Yeah, on the field

Dave Clarke:

narrative. That's right. Do you create a narrative? The conflict inside the narrative in the Ben Roethlisberger story is something that's uncomfortable to talk about on a channel owned by Disney. So what they do is they say, you know, I think enough time has passed like you say and like well, the Steelers fans, you know, they didn't. And they make all these arguments and they make all these apologies to themselves and rationally rationalizations to themselves and then they can turn around and they could present this narrative as Ben Roethlisberger was just a great quarterback and nothing else. That's just all he was just a quarterback and nothing else. And I think that that is and that unfortunately and I agree with you about reading the room Ray as far as like the Kobe thing goes because honestly, once he died, I was like, am I gonna be the guy talking about Kobe Bryant being a rapist for the next like, you know, few months like nobody wants to hear from me. But after like, am a Celtics fan. So be I'm not a big supporter of rape, I find it should probably not exist if we have a choice as a society. And, uh, yeah, he did that shit. So when it happened and he was still alive, I was like, Yeah, I don't know. He's a rapist. He's your hero. He's a rapist. So fuck him, but that's what it did when he died. I shut the fuck up about it cuz? I don't know. It just seemed like the respectful thing to do because he was dead. So in bin robbers, burgers case, we're going the opposite direction. I feel like honestly, I feel like the conversation is more like, Yeah, I like people. You know, it's like when you say allegedly. It's like, Yeah, I think allegedly is enough. In this situation, to be honest with you

Rob Kelly:

when you think about so. Yeah, okay, we can drag him through the dirt. Okay. The list of athletes that actually have been accused of or been involved in some kind of sexual assault case is astronomical names, names names that you don't even so first first one that didn't really surprise me Vince McMahon. Alright, guys guy literally has his own wrestling corporate one of the biggest businesses in all sports and a complete piece of shit. A complete piece of shit. Right? So there's gonna be a trend here. All right. Um, name our name our complete piece of shit. One of the most talented athletes will ever see one of the best soccer players ever. Man.

Dave Clarke:

I don't think so. accused the raping a conversation for another day. Adam he's not in the top 10 Donovan McNabb. Ah,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I forgot about that.

Rob Kelly:

Sexual misconduct. Several other layers when they're in the league. Marshall FOC was fired. cell network. Thank you. So Warren sad, what's up, you hire some NFL Network for sexual assault and the last bomb for you. DK. I apologize for doing this to you. Conor McGregor has been accused of sexual assault twice. No.

Dave Clarke:

I know. Charges. Doesn't count no charge. But why? No, no, no, no. Hold on a second.

Rob Kelly:

I know you're you're gonna bring this up. I'll let second. Just her family think account? I bet you they do. Yeah. Well, they do.

Dave Clarke:

There was an investigation, no charges, whatever. But honestly, let me put it this way. I'll put it to you this way.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

With it. That's the other flitter just you see. You see other hackers though?

Dave Clarke:

Right. Which is why I didn't put it at Steelers fans feet. You know, again, I said that multiple times throughout the whole thing.

Rob Kelly:

Right? I would hate to say it, but it's

Dave Clarke:

hard to say. Let me respond to this. How is it the same? It's pretty well thought out. If I'm saying if I'm saying to you that it shouldn't be put at Steelers fans feed because they're blinded by their fandom. And then you're saying like, how is that different? And like I'm saying I

Rayshawn Buchanan:

did an unbelievable job of saying but maybe that's just what I will say. And

Dave Clarke:

this is the important point. This is the more important point. If so, like I'm obviously a huge Conor McGregor fan if it turned out I mean, those honestly, those accusations I was ready. I was ready to quit on him. I remember it happening

Rob Kelly:

and you're about to delete all your Pornhub videos. You're again,

Dave Clarke:

I jerk off to Conor McGregor Of course. So, but the whole thing is the it just didn't seem like a thing to me. Now. If it was to the point with like, with Ben where I was like, well, that definitely fucking happen. But she settled out of court because it's like, just easier. Ah, that's a little bit of a different situation. Now, if it was the same, I'd say write him off. I see. Take everybody on that list. There's plenty not just Conor McGregor. There's plenty of motherfuckers that disappointed me to hear that they sucked on that list. There's fucking plenty of them. Get rid of them off. Welcome. Look, I've got I've got infinite patience. infinite, infinite patience for fucking excoriating and direct you to direct your tising these motherfuckers if they're being gross, like, who cares? Like at the end of the day, if I felt disappointment about you tell me Donovan McNabb was a piece of shit for like 3.5 seconds and now I'm going to move on with the rest of my day. But the person he was a piece of shit too. Likely doesn't fucking feel the same way. If it turns out Conor McGregor is a piece of shit I will also say as a slight addendum he is a fucking cage fighter so like maybe we shouldn't be looking to him for our moral amplitudes

Rob Kelly:

but just can't there's no cage around the field doesn't mean they're not doing a violent sport too.

Dave Clarke:

I don't think it's quite on the same level but the idea is what the idea is also like if you look I mean if you want to go to the nuances of that I think when you have stuff like this happen at the quarterback position with somebody that's a high profile athlete, it's gonna reflect really poorly on your sport you know, because I think they market the quarterback is like the clean cut like leader of the team, the guy that's supposed Yeah represent the team and the team's values. So when it happens with a guy like that I think they should come down a little bit harder if they're gonna back that those sentiments up. But I also think that again if Conor McGregor did that shit, fuck a year. I mean, it's fine. That's gross. Like, I again I don't put it it's huge fans feet. I really don't I don't think

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I've got one. We forgot about paying minute.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, fine with me. He sucks. That's cool. Way to do. But don't you feel like Ben's? Ben's was just more serious and more valid like Don't you think that the reason that it always got

Rayshawn Buchanan:

taught time a guy No. Listen, you want here's how you feel about on off again after you just talked about 101 talking about Kobe I feel about Congress. I fell about a minute for a minute. So I'm with the one thing he did it or not. I'm on his head. That's his handgun. Like 23

Dave Clarke:

More fucking behind the basket fucking shots on the thing. Like I'd probably still be saying it but like,

Rob Kelly:

that's like I watched a film about Ben Roethlisberger. Man. He's fucking hate him. I fucking hate the Steelers. You should be

Unknown:

more on his ass then.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

So is he all effeminate?

Rob Kelly:

You know? Yes, yes. No, yes.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

No, that's what that's what that big three he came he came it will represent on can he lie like that the number best

Rob Kelly:

thing if I could I wouldn't put any of them in I put bet it over the three.

Dave Clarke:

He was got two fucking rings. He's got the same fucking credentials this route this barrier.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

So it bothers me to say this. Fill of room is actually the best out of three. Got the numbers? Yeah, Rose actually better? Yeah, he's better than both of them. But because he never won. We don't look the same. Okay, he comes another damn foul. It's like, you know, death fossils play with the charges. He becomes you know, any other great quarterback didn't win like that. That's really what he got. He was better than both of them. Honestly. Dang. Look at the numbers. You know? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. So it's just it just alone to have those guys in there winning. But

Dave Clarke:

I feel like that's an argument for not putting Ben Roethlisberger in a row.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Listen, he wanted me one four story franchise saying that he lied that's desperate to get them in. There it is today.

Dave Clarke:

Of course, he's gonna get in like, I know they're gonna put him in there. So I'm talking about the wider moral question of like, what kind of sewer? Do you want to run through your hall of fame? Like what do you want your house

Rob Kelly:

to? Do? You want the NFL Hall of Fame to be like the Baseball Hall of Fame? Yeah, that's

Dave Clarke:

what I said while you're at That's what I said while you're off internet for a second. I was like, you know, if I said if you fart in church, you can't get into the baseball. But in the NFL, which has a has a little bit of PR job to do on its own.

Rob Kelly:

Ricky Henderson Absolutely. injected his ass with steroids multiple times. I can fucking guarantee.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Will you play 23 years before she did?

Dave Clarke:

I don't think steroids should keep you out of the baseball. No, I

Rayshawn Buchanan:

know. I agree. But what I'm saying here the reason why David Ortiz is getting in there. Um, despite all that's going on, is because the media loves David Ortiz.

Dave Clarke:

Sure. Like come on Big Papi. So we hung out. We hung around with some drug dealers, so who hasn't? Whatever

Rayshawn Buchanan:

big pockets. I have. I'm cool. I'm just saying he that is he's gonna get it. What are some of the guys it's like, let's say Barry Bonds is a Hall of Famer. And once again this is not

Dave Clarke:

right. He was he was a Hall of Famer before he started doing steroids career prior

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah. So very buzz all the famer Roger Thomas is a Hall of Famer. I'm Curt Schilling regardless of his political views as a Hall of Famer like and you know, he got emotional taper off to balance

Dave Clarke:

totally. I was a steroid so that's steroids that's not that's not that's not a character defamation. That's not a that's not a how who you represent how you who you are, that represents the game that you play, but

Rayshawn Buchanan:

they're taking it taking it out on a no, that's why you're not getting it right now.

Rob Kelly:

No, Curt Schilling. Curt Schilling is not getting it because he's a fucking asshole.

Dave Clarke:

I know he's and I don't think he is gonna get it. I pretty sure Barry Bonds is his last eligible year. I don't think he's gonna get it. That's

Rob Kelly:

the stuff that's on for John he's on pace to get it at the moment, but

Dave Clarke:

I don't think he's getting it.

Craig D'Alessandro:

Now there's comments.

Dave Clarke:

This is bad and vanilla, that discredits the Baseball Hall of Fame in a different way. I think it's like a you know, it's like give out this fucking Walter Payton man in the year award and it's lip service. It's fucking PR you know, it's not a real thing. Like you don't give a shit. And it's like, at the end of the day, I'd honestly I'd rather they just like fucking say it from their chest at this point. Because the idea of like, trying to even do public relations for the NFL is a fucking joke. Nobody goes to that guy's office. Nobody gives a shit what that guy has to say. He's been banging the same fucking drum I have for the last 35 minutes for less than 10 years whatever his fucking name is. And Roger Goodell is just like yeah, I don't know give him another book and Walter Payton Man of the Year award if you want they're a despicable organization and you know what they get to be you know why? Because I'm never going to stop ingesting their fucking product. It's like Fucking heroin to me, and I will. I will bitch and moan and in the heroin circle that we're all sitting in. I am the guy going. I'm quitting tomorrow, guys, I'm quitting tomorrow, and it's all gonna be fine. I am complaining about being on the drug. But

Rob Kelly:

I'm still here talking about the drug as soon as you wake up from your nod,

Dave Clarke:

as exactly, that's enough. That's enough time and thought dedicated to Ben Roethlisberger and his dirty little dick. So moving on to the wider playoff and power ranking pictures as a whole. I think we should use Bobby's power rankings as a fun little template. Bobby, do you have them? Do you have a guy right here? Can you send them in the chat real quick? Yeah, the the Yeah, the power has been great. I think this year because last year, we argued about them a lot because there was kind of a lot of nuance, and there was a lot of stuff going on. No, I mean I love the Power Rankings are anybody's guess for me for every single week to be totally honest with you. I don't have I don't have I can't really make heads nor tails of who is actually good. Um, I think as of right now, I think the Titans are good. I think and I still don't know. Yeah, again, I don't you know, I still think they still might be good but once I looked at the power ratings, we can start from 10 and we can go up from 10 That'll be fun.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I could give them my table I could give my take on that and see wow

Dave Clarke:

give us the take on Tennessee right yeah, cool.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, um, Tennessee is the Utah Jazz of the NFL a team is going to kill you in a regular season do really well you know kind of cut you know give you a death by 1000 paper cuts um, and then when it matters most they will fold so you know that they're good right now you know, they don't want they needed it right because they have to no one is more injured than them all but you know they'll they'll be oppressive my rebels impressively these a hell of a coach but um, they're not they're not going to be explosive enough to do anything in the playoffs with or without their and I love them and he may come back. No,

Rob Kelly:

that's such that's such an inhuman thing that he might come back. It's insane.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

It's ridiculous. He sees this. He's, you know, you know how I feel about who do

Dave Clarke:

I call booty?

Rob Kelly:

Now he called up Ray Lewis and got that deer antler spray your

Dave Clarke:

antler spray bro.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I remember that when that happened get up here and that was okay at the time

Dave Clarke:

but I'm saying your heart's gonna explode next week but you're good for game day.

Rob Kelly:

I said biceps good to go though.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Exactly. Well yeah, so yeah, that's it they're they're gonna kill it in the regular season. Well I said once they get to all the players that they may very well have a homerun division around and I expect them to honestly

Dave Clarke:

Dante proven to be really good by the way and like it's he's on some I think that committee that they kind of sorted out has been good and I think if he comes back in might fuck them up a little bit because we've always talked about this like oh the you can never do shit with a running back in the playoffs. You know like once it comes down to it like you said like death by 1000 paper cuts in the regular season, then but Is that why you think like what are you basing this off last year like once they got there they look they just fucking complete

Rayshawn Buchanan:

just really just recent history with them my day they said, Listen, there's no bigger Derrick Henry supporter on the show than the man who was talking um he's awesome but it's terrible I don't I don't trust I don't trust rights and how to get it done when it matters I just don't I just I'm sorry that they had any other quarterback desks that serviceable um, I would have said okay, you got a shot but number 17 granted he Hey, shout out to his agent for getting the money he got them um he got that guy.

Dave Clarke:

Where are we on? Where are we on? On Mike variable as a coach Bobby where's the where's the thinking? Do we think he's the guy or are we like we don't patriots bioscope do we think he's good? Yeah, no, I

Rob Kelly:

really liked the fact that they're still in it right now. I think is a testament to variable how good of a coach he is. Like you said they're running the committee and it's not just that running back when you remember to think back about the season. AJ brighter Julio Jones were out for pretty much most of the middle of the season there. And it was just Ryan Tannehill Deonte Foreman and Lewis like Nicole Andrew Westbrook or something like I don't even remember what his

Dave Clarke:

name is informing has like a like good yardage though.

Rob Kelly:

Ya know Deonte forms don't get out he's not bad but he's he's not Derrick Henry. You know what I mean? Obviously, oh, is the fact that they've been able to to take that still beat that number one seed and they pretty much haven't had their biggest skill positions all year.

Dave Clarke:

They're gonna be that everyone see if they beat the Texans and if they

Rob Kelly:

beat attack yet,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

they're all either they either they already work regardless. They have

Rob Kelly:

to be. Yeah, gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. If they lost they they can drop us a loose, the chiefs can jump up, get.

Dave Clarke:

Regardless, it doesn't matter. It doesn't

Rob Kelly:

matter. But yeah, so I really do like rebel. I also like how much balls he has. I really like the rebel, the rebel like, kick in the teeth. I'm gonna fucking rock you comes out in the fourth quarter sometimes when I fucking love it. I love seeing it, you know, bite him in the ass sometimes. It's it's just something I like to have on my side when it comes down to it in the fourth quarter.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, did you see that? That prewett Kids and Golo like they're so unlucky for head injuries that in that team like their ankle looked fucking Gross, dude, I was like it was I was like, oh, Gordon Hayward you're done. And it was like in the pile I was so it's just like yeah, he's out for the season two they have so many injuries and I would love to see I would love to see what they would look like healthy because I think that it's gonna be their down their downfall. You know what I mean? i Yeah, they'll get the home field advantage and stuff in the in the bye week, but I don't know how much that's going to help you like that kids out for a year at least. May I mean, maybe their kidney goes back and some shit goes down again. I mean,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

four or five? Right? It played a four or five. Yeah, that wins that game. So that definitely right now and it was the five c right?

Rob Kelly:

Titans who play the lowest remaining seats. So they will play you know, it could be the iterators that are important or the charges or the paths that could end up playing the path.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

So say I feel like yeah, I feel like it'd be in New England coming up there. I'm gonna actually like buffalo is gonna win. And you know what, when I think will win next week, but it will matter because I think they'll have they'll have a better record for the conference. Um, I mean we did it they came here I'm going to Henry didn't play when they came to the mainland but um, I just felt like we owe them they they ended the error up here. Literally hit so I think it'd be awesome to go back up there. And then their season and Music City it'd be great. It'd be awesome.

Rob Kelly:

See, right you see Ray frothing at the mouth over there is

Rayshawn Buchanan:

yes, can't wait. Can't wait. Alright, Bart.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah. All right, moving on to the Cardinals. There's still a weird fucking team to talk about. I feel like they lost like two or three games in a row right? And then they just beat the cowboy. Yeah, and then they I'm sorry to bring this up but they snapped to three game losing streak or two Game Two three games. Three game losing streak for at in Dallas, which is no mean feat. I have been an ardent supporter of the Dallas Cowboys this year. I think it's pretty obvious that it's their offense holding them back. We'll we'll get to that. Um, there's still a weird team. The cartels like I feel like they could go into the playoffs and cause some havoc I think during the wildcard right now. But I think Go ahead, Bobby.

Rob Kelly:

Yeah, just not the only thing that holds me back from the Cardinals is yes, they did just be cowboys is very upset. That shouldn't have got there. But then not having DeAndre Hopkins is so big for this. Yeah. If he can't come back and be healthy in the playoffs to me. I don't think they have a shot because listen, they got the job done this past week. But AJ green Christian Kirk, and who's wrong Del Mar? are not getting the job done in the playoffs? Yes. You have a cup of Kyler Tyler, Tyler. Tyler can't do it. Always. And listen, Tyler is I was weird, man. He Yeah, he is I like that. So get but he's so weird to the point where like, I if if Kai was gonna lead by Team dives to the fourth quarter, two minutes left towers right on the field. I don't know if I feel great about it. Because I don't know if Kyler really cares if he scores or not. You know what I mean? So like that? I don't know. It always throws me off with Kyler his body language is weird. He just always looks like he doesn't give a shit to me.

Dave Clarke:

Oh, yeah. I think um, I don't think DeAndre Hopkins comes back though. I like I think I he's done, isn't he? I don't think that there's a is there Did anyone say there was a possibility like that he was coming back. I

Rayshawn Buchanan:

thought again, they say you can make the playoffs. But But I mean, listen, that that's, that's, that's Listen, this is not 2008. Um, you know, and I said, they don't have three months. They don't have three 1000 yard receivers. You know, Steve breaston and quad border. I'll walk you through that door. You found yourself.

Dave Clarke:

It's Larry fits up to?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I don't know. But I would give him a call to Larry. you shape your shape. He left his job was one of the best policies of performance all the time.

Dave Clarke:

I mean, he didn't look at ad in his season. To be honest.

Rob Kelly:

If Anthony Brown, if Anthony Brown wasn't a defensive back for the Cowboys, we'd be we wouldn't be talking about the Cardinals. They wouldn't even be in top 10 Right now, in my opinion. But

Dave Clarke:

yeah, I guess they got great talent at the still positions and I like

Rayshawn Buchanan:

what it will if it wins.

Rob Kelly:

I'm not very confident in Chicago. There's so many red flags about that team graduated. I'm gonna play them in the first round of the playoffs on a Cowboys. I feel like this is more me just trying to like talk myself into the fucking Cardinal sock. We're gonna watch this Ask, but there's so many red flags for that team and so many red flags.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, I mean, listen, if that was offices on like, don't worry like their hair size, it will be a problem. Like if Zig Ziglar Tony Pollard and, and like, I mean, I know gouges went down to that. Let's just go on to the next one. Me right now so I'll keep going oh yeah, I know gallon just went down so I know that's unfortunate but listen doctor the patient is that they're offensively and defensively that they're I'm your boy Dave's gonna stop gambling though. I'm sorry I don't care about the lover picks on the yard. He gives up it's kind of crazy at times, so stop gambling. You know, just just just play sound football at that position. I

Rob Kelly:

don't know. I feel he does. He doesn't get burned as much as people think he did. Yes, he does give up big plays every now and then. He doesn't get burnt as much people think he does. It's honestly Wilson and brown and we're getting toasted all fucking here. It makes Diggs look bad at times. But was I don't give a shit Diggs days days can get aggressive. Get me a goddamn interception because if the offense is playing like that, he fucking needs one.

Dave Clarke:

I think that's their identity. I think that's their identity you know you you live by the sword you die by the sword when you have a defense like that. I think you got to just go for you got to be aggressive because that's what's that's what's brought that defense success. And honestly, I don't think you can tell that defense shit right now. Because they're the only thing keeping the fucking cowboys together with like, fucking, you know, with GM and band aids

Rob Kelly:

without turnovers. The Cowboys defenses above average. Yeah. Which is where elite, you know, a truly,

Dave Clarke:

and your offense needs to become at least serviceable, to be quite honest with you.

Rob Kelly:

It's so fraught so this is literally why I wanted to come on the show tonight because it's so frustrating to me to have, I don't know if it's an injury thing, or what the fuck is going on. But there are throws that listen DAX like, guy, man, he is my guy. But there are throws that a professional NFL quarterback needs to make, okay, there's a there's a stat that's average DVOA like per attempt, or on third down for for quarterbacks. And it's their average of keeping a drive going. So like the positive play when you need it, your quarterback gets it for you. Week one through nine Dak was like second, weeks 10 through now. He's like 20 fifths. So it's like not only is he just making bad decisions to turnovers, but he's not making the little and small place and that was fucking killing us. It's absolutely killing us because we'll have instead of a certain to, because DAC Mr. Wide open guy in the flat on 30 instead of on Second and seven. It's now third and seven. You know what I mean? It's just,

Dave Clarke:

I'm not sure I lay it necessarily a DAX feet. On the whole, I think what I've noticed in your offense specifically, it's that you're not getting those first downs that you need to advance the field position enough to at least give your defense arrest and give your special teams a chance to score you some points. And it because like those, those are the kind of points and in my opinion, I mean, I've been saying this to your eye. That evens reminds me a lot of the 2006 pairs and where I always said about them was we have to make plays on defense obviously we make plays on special teams because we had Devin Hester and our offense just needs to hold on to the ball for a little while and I feel like the amount of three outs that you guys get is entirely too high for how to execute that game plan because I give you playing will work if you have an elite defense you just your offense just needs to I am isn't identity crisis there you think Bobby where it's just like the offenses like Wait Wait we still need to be the guys though. We said it's like no no you need to just play the game and manage the game. I think that's what they should be doing at least

Rob Kelly:

it's a little in the middle I think um because I think Kalin does I think that's a great word for it. Honestly, identity crisis because I think Kalin absolutely knows that his offense is explosive. He knows that when he lets it loose, was Did you see what happened in the last three minutes of that game? The Cowboys went right down the fucking field and the Carlos couldn't stop and they scored what two touchdowns in like five minutes if you

Dave Clarke:

always do it the wrong time though, but it but it's like it'll manage the game better.

Rob Kelly:

He I hate to say this, but he's played Congress reminding me a lot of Jason Garrett when I started to get fucking sick of him.

Dave Clarke:

You everyone you hate just because Jason Garr. It's like It's like role models and he's like, you're white. You're Ben Affleck. Why are you Ben Affleck? You Bobby hates you, you Jason Garrett.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Goodbye, man.

Rob Kelly:

No, but first down, first down to yard run. Second down, fucking incomplete pass and also to 37 next drive first. down to yard run, which change it up let's have a screen pass on second down stuffed Darden tech. You're like what? What are we can we can we stretch the field? We have CD lamb. We have fucking Amari Cooper we have Cedric Wilson we have What the fuck are we doing? It just drives me I'm sorry taking dog it drives me fucking nuts especially field guys.

Dave Clarke:

As a fan of the team can you tell how an office or drive is gonna go before it happens a lot of the time that is a bad sign because that means that the professional highly paid people that watch the game say going into the game can definitely tell what they're doing offensively they do they do seem a little creative. They similar and creative and they have the guys have the skills position skilled positions that they should be using

Rob Kelly:

to be create that's, that's what drives me nuts is like this is a revelation in the last fucking eight weeks. The first eight weeks of the season. They were creative. They were running motions. They were running all this shit. And then they just stopped Miller bossier bossier. I went maybe. I feel like they did just get banged up and they just got conservative because they were like with a coup. They

Dave Clarke:

stay conservative when they got Cooper and lamb back though they stay conservative.

Rob Kelly:

Yeah, I feel like they just got scared and now they're just stuck in this rut. I know Mike, Mike. Mike wants to play everyone this week. But if I'm him, I fucking sit everyone treat this shit as a bye week. And let's go play the Cardinals in a week who gives a shit about seating? Who gives a shit about any of it? Go get me a fucking playoff win. Go get me to the conference championship game, because I swear to God if we waste this fucking defense after all these years of a great offense, but giving a fucking 50 points a fucking game and that holding us back and we finally have an elite defense that can literally take you to a Super Bowl. We have a Super Bowl quality pass rush. We have a Super Bowl quality ball Hawking defense you combo those two fucking things. Look out.

Dave Clarke:

It would be it would be it would be a very cowboys thing to do to fuck the sub array where do you put the ready for the Dallas Cowboys? If somebody asks you a part with your hard earned money? How much of it would you be willing to part with Tibet? The Cowboys is a Super Bowl winning team this year.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I think they're a very good team honestly. I think eventually they can they can get there I know. A bobbin some of the cowboy fans I know I've been very frustrated with the offense but once again LSAS one game when y'all have the offer one game right one game at a time so um that can easily throw for 40 yards whenever he wants. Um you know Pollard it and Zeke are very good at one two combo at the running back position so once again, the Gallup engine hurts but when you still have that many weapons like during minds me I'm also good offensively we've seen in the past so they're gonna be fine once again it's it's nitpicking when you're this good of a team. And I say you know we you know, I know it's been a while since the dominance has been there so never mind I was over just being someone that's gonna be around in the picture every single year. Um, we're close to it so um, you know, I get it but like I think I think they can at least get to the conversation and share I really do.

Rob Kelly:

I think it is holding us back you say lack of creative creativity. One of the biggest things they've done in the second half of the season is they're prioritizing giving the bother Zeke a lot which takes away a lot of our offensive creativity because he has a running back who now is apparently just a single bad guy he doesn't run many deep routes he doesn't do these things anymore that he did four or five years ago. Tony Pollard brings a whole different dynamic to the Cowboys offense when he's out there you look at when we look our best is when Tony Pollard is averaging eight nine yards a carry has five six catches so that's when that's when this this offense is firing on all cylinders.

Dave Clarke:

I wonder why they don't run Z I wonder why they don't runs V Gong like just decoy runs then at least you know what I mean? Like if you're if you're making those plays happen you don't necessarily have to dump to them in the flats and like have them run in the open field and like you know, get fucking beat up. But like you could dummy it you know, do a wall it's like close to the Cylons like dummy a little bit like I just feel like they're not doing that they're not throwing as many like fake looks out there.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

The game the game that sticks out to me and I know Bobby knows a pirate much better than I do. But I just I just remember him getting screen after screen after screen. Might have been zip second year might have been a year. Um, it was a good essay. It was against Pittsburgh. It was in Pittsburgh. Yeah, it was.

Rob Kelly:

It was the deadbeat dad Zeke game bro. Yeah, I

Rayshawn Buchanan:

mean, listen. I think it was like a 90 yards you play like it was It was unreal. Just the diva I mean, perspective. Trash, but I was like, oh my god, like, I was like, This guy's doing this and he could run like, how do you stop them going? Going for a oDesk I started praying to God that time too. So I was like, wow, this is this is crazy. So I'm, if I'm them I'm showing up on a loop. This is this is what you need to be cut if I met Paul doing that. It's, uh, you know it, you know,

Dave Clarke:

for me like you still have to because of that stuff you still have to account for Zeke, you know what I mean? So you run him, you run them on those routes. You don't necessarily have to ask him to make the plays you just ask them to go for a fucking jog? By my question. The word the burning question for me for to direct you to a Cowboys fan and a neutral party. I wonder. Is the jersey heavy for them going into the past? I've watched them crap out in the playoffs because of the pressure that the Dallas Cowboys culture puts on them. And I wonder if you have if you have an issue already with your identity. Is that going to get to them in the playoffs? Bobby or do you think that this team has enough as a like mental strength?

Rob Kelly:

Nothing gets a defense. I'm gonna say right now. I've watched a lot of tape on this defense. I've watched it like inside the huddle lots of that shit. And this defense. They're ballers man, nothing gets to them. Nope. It doesn't matter. They're fucking awesome. The offense does scare me a little bit because I think kellen moore can crumble a little bit. I've seen I've seen him make some pretty bad calls in some pretty big situations. And also, obviously, Mike McCarthy. So yes, I think Mike McCarthy can crumble under the pressure of the playoffs, considering he crumbled under the pressure of a week 17 game against the Cardinals, where he didn't have any timeouts left and couldn't challenge a fucking fumble. So yeah,

Dave Clarke:

yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I mean, I maybe rate Mark Mike McCarthy a little higher than you do. But he's your coach. So I get it. You know, he's he's under more scrutiny. Um, but I do think he's a good coach. You know, he's, I think he's, uh, put up a lot of shit and fucking Green Bay that maybe some of the guys wouldn't be able to handle. But that's just me. I rate him going to the playoffs. What do you think about McCarthy? The raising, he's a guy who can get it done one more time.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Oh, I remember Miss Have you seen? I mean, he should have gotten there more children and Rogers. But once again, they were knocking on the door.

Dave Clarke:

Less than everybody just felt like he's the guy. I mean, it's

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I mean, but that they coach in and quarterback, you know, quote unquote, marriage? I don't say so. Yeah, it's as much as his phone as it is Aaron Rodgers. Um, you know, my, my thing is, I'm afraid that Mike McCarthy is like a buck. So Walter, um, of the NFL. So bookstore water, you know, was a guy that in baseball that can get your team there, he's gonna get some sort of playoffs and you go knock at the door, you'll be at the when he was in the LCS or MCs gonna get you there gets you that gets you there. And then just won't get you over the hump. The candy reach today. I mean, I mean, obviously, because he got there, right? He got there, obviously, but like MIT, or maybe even Yeah, Marshawn DeVries. Guy, right. So just passed away recently. There is another one. I mean, he was the player, but kind of get over the hump. They lost it lost him dead in her free time. So he has

Dave Clarke:

gotten over the hump. And I think that makes a big difference. Having done it at least once I think makes a big difference. He's been there. He's done it. And I think maybe

Rayshawn Buchanan:

it also helps when you know you had the airbox who had joined us and had Donald Driver Yeah. Oh, you had

Dave Clarke:

and they still bear they still barely fucking on it.

Rob Kelly:

So but, but but if you if you think about that, but when you think about it, listen, I know he's not Aaron Rodgers. But that's what makes this all so frustrating. It's like you say we don't have that. Listen, when DAC with DAC is playing at his best when DAC is DAC. And you can tell within three minutes of the game sorry, I know what fucking DAC I'm getting. Oh, yeah, for sure. If he's on and he's making those throws. He's unstoppable man. He is one of the top five quarterbacks in the NFL when he's on and there's no doubt about that. Right? So

Dave Clarke:

it's Mike McCarthy's responsibility to get that out of the system agree on a more consistent basis like that's his job. That's his whole fucking job. Basically, everything else is done. He needs to be able to consistently get that out of meetings to find out how to get that out of them how to get him off his houseboat and back in the game for the Washington sentinels at halftime so replacements reference for the exact age group sitting at home listen to this. Um, alright, we spent time on the Cowboys I will say finally by the way think of the Packers will lose to anybody in the NFC. I think it's the Cowboys I didn't match up perfectly against them. And I would love to see that game as an as an NFC Championship game because I just think it'd be fun I'm

Rayshawn Buchanan:

not sure those fans want to see everybody

Rob Kelly:

Oh my God.

Dave Clarke:

I want to I want to see it he the no it would be such a good game though.

Rob Kelly:

It will be siding not do another Aaron Rodgers playoff game all right now you guys can't

Dave Clarke:

hear me right you're right that defense that defense doesn't get rattled by anything like just

Rob Kelly:

you make that throw. How does he make that throw he did in that playoff game. That was absurd. Anyways, go. Alright, let's talk. Let's talk briefly

Dave Clarke:

about the patriots. Well, you know,

Rob Kelly:

they're all right. I mean they're all right yeah, so I mean nothing really go now that was

Dave Clarke:

I hate to say it Ray but like they bought in pants off me but they really they're they're tough to watch from from a neutral point of view. They're there. They're not the funnest team I've I've found his version of the Patriots I've seen

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I mean, well, I mean, it's nothing will ever top oh seven obviously like when you see a game you know I'm saying or even even even even even 20 Even in 2014 2014 2016 You know, pick a year pickier. It's

Rob Kelly:

definitely less. It's less. It's less fun for me than it was last year. That's for sure.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I bet for both of you. Well, no,

Dave Clarke:

I don't give a shit. I don't I don't care if they did well or not. It doesn't matter. I'm not my team's not in the UFC. I don't give a fuck. My my personal opinion like on the Patriots is like, I just want you guys to be happy. And, and they I mean, it was a weird tumble Right? Like they had the one seed but it seemed a little phony. You're kind of like, I don't know, because like it's one Jenga block falls one domino falls and then like, look what happens. Right? So but where do you think they're at? Like, I mean, I said last week, I was on a show, Joe, I said it's Bill Belichick in the playoffs. You never know. Right? Yeah, but what do you got? Do you have that feeling? I mean, you must have you must have some sort of a sense of it. Where do you think they stand?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I mean, I'm happy that they are obviously back in the playoffs I mean to be one year away from what the bockarie was last year to be back in It is awesome to be a double digit win team I think you should after going to him for your first six look where they will maybe win five games. So hi how you doing? How you doing? Anthony?

Dave Clarke:

If it wasn't for the dolphins that's all I didn't want to be talking about right?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Oh no yes, for sure. But I'm yeah I'm glad that a bill made the move so you're ready to Kaminey offseason I finally thought he was gonna stay with him I think

Dave Clarke:

that was the right call

Rob Kelly:

for sure. But have been such a bone oh my god can you imagine if he actually started Cam Newton over back Joe can you know man,

Dave Clarke:

he was never gonna be the case.

Rob Kelly:

I wish I wish

Rayshawn Buchanan:

that the thing the thing is, you know because I said he was okay in a preseason meeting camp. So I said okay, he's probably gonna go with them whoever know that you know, we talked about it I felt like he built a team and still be around cam right away. Um, you know, got the start running game get to two tight ends. It was kind of gonna be like we looked like in Carolina. So I was like, Okay, well maybe that's the case. You're putting that trust to him. Let's just see what could happen if he gets better weapons. Thankfully, he said you know what revisionist history I've learned for what I saw were brilliant. Bless those 20 years ago. Look if I thought this guy's better right now I'm just gonna go with them regardless of what the outside you know, pundits are gonna say that's what he did and thankfully I say we definitely we definitely took our lumps on so much I want him out of here at the CES games meeting bill I was I was done I was Oh God I was like you cannot you

Dave Clarke:

overreacting no never ever you wish death upon your sports? Firing everybody that's not like you at all right in a boardroom the fucking turnover unbelievable.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Oh my god no Yeah, I was I was I was so mad I wasn't I wasn't saw things for as bowls I wasn't that mad yeah like that that that night I was let me

Dave Clarke:

let me ask you a question were more specifically it was mattresses worst game I think this is fair to say macros is worst game was against the bills and the game where you kind of needed him to be the have his best game you know, because that would have changed a lot of a lot of the landscape of where they're

Rob Kelly:

called to you Sure.

Dave Clarke:

But my question in the fourth quarter though, but yeah, but I think the bills with the with the combination of the importance of the game that where you're at the need for him to step up and like the actual performance being absolute dogshit I think and being given the chip and being given the chance to to throw the ball you know, fuck it up um, I think my question to you Ray is and you know you Bobby you had a you had a hot young quarterback not too long ago you get a little longer in the tooth now but it hasn't been too long. How many games because I need to know for next year how many games like that do you give a rookie before you decide that he sucks and how much does a good like how good How Much Does his good games factor in how good were they to factor in it like where are you at

Rob Kelly:

with him long term? Can I Can I go first way can I go first? So the the biggest factor to me is how bad are those bad games?

Dave Clarke:

But how But how much is how good is are the good games factor in in you know like which weighs more does a bad game way more freedom?

Rob Kelly:

I doubt it does. Depends on how bad it is. So when you're talking Sam Donald five interceptions against the Patriots a couple years ago bad. That's a very telling saying when quarterback can look that bad to me. I feel like that's more telling with Mack Jones like listen, he didn't look awful in either of those games. He still made some big boy throws he still you know dropped a couple of dimes in there. It's more the game situation around him broke down. And then he broke it. So I just feel like it's more of like the the the basements and the pits that you go to really signify how bad you

Dave Clarke:

sound like you're about to break into a TLC song right there. Right on the top enough to go chasing waterfalls.

Rob Kelly:

Right. Exactly. Think back to it. So like back to some of the all time terrible quarterbacks Where's like Ryan leaf? He had some

Dave Clarke:

he have a guys you thought you guys you thought were gonna be good because they weren't good. He was the second pick in the draft. Yeah, but they were good in the NFL for a bit because macros had good games. He's had he's had really solid performances. Like, you know, it's like you put in it's like you draft Brady Quinn? Yeah, he's a hot shot out of fucking Notre Dame. Yeah, he's number one pick in the draft. He stank of the place from start to finish, right? Like he was just never good. A guy like Dak Prescott. He's been inconsistent as fuck for a number of years. But the highs are fucking high. But the lows are low. So we're How do you feel about Ray like, where are you at with Mack Jones? Do you think do you think you can do to his battle games look coachable? Do they look coachable to you?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, absolutely. I think so. His first game, I think he was 21 I guess my memory loss by flight quite. We saw right away that he's making throws that, you know, whoever was here, wherever he played it last year. It just wasn't happening. Right? Um, he's super accurate. Like, say, you know, and you could tell I think athlete. I think after that he's thinking when they came back, I think that that's, that's when they start to trust him a little bit more. Um, so he makes all the throws needs to make. Um, I also think the Dallas game was the game that turned around from you know, the law.

Rob Kelly:

Yeah, no, shit.

Dave Clarke:

That was a moral victory, though. No,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

no, no, no. I'm saying for yourself a maximum for the picture for my daughter. Maxim's the pick six. You know, Dave gets a run to back that next play. He goes right back, Adam and get a dose of the Borg is such that you don't say so. It

Rob Kelly:

wasn't his fault. Again, that was Wilson.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

No, no, I know. But I'm saying like the fact that he was in that area. And is this just like, you would think that okay, I'm not gonna throw it over there. Can he make it again? But that just to have the confidence to throw it back over there in his area? Um, show me on my okay, like, this kid is not gonna get rattled. Um, and even in that host game. Yeah, it was definitely bad for three quarters. But you know, I just didn't know the Alabama thing kicked in what he learned so far from Josh and, and Bill so far kicked it. I was like, okay, okay. Calm down, mate. You made some good throws, and I love I love the connection he has well, how to Henry. Um, I think he has better guys.

Dave Clarke:

I think that's his best weapon.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Oh, yeah, for sure. He's been he's been a safety blanket to say the least. And well,

Dave Clarke:

that was gonna be my next question to you is how much How mad are you at your receiving corps also, I mean, it's like Nikhil Harry's is not

Rayshawn Buchanan:

me it's really just that my said catchy boards were fine on

Dave Clarke:

our floors good.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

boards were fine. Jacoby Meyers have been fine. Um,

Dave Clarke:

but Nikita Harry gets so many looks though. So yeah, you get so many looks that's always been my issue with Nikhil Harry. I feel like he goes

Rayshawn Buchanan:

he's a fucking joke. And um yeah, I just I just I can't I'm I've been waiting to do this. I was hoping that I was going to be next up I was hoping to have to work during the day I was like if I did work I want to get off today I wanted to talk about how fucking bad the carriers um I cannot believe that debo Samuel AJ brown DK Metcalf on our second DK sizzle over fucking Nikhil area right now like that. That's that's

Dave Clarke:

underrated hands. My friend contact lenses. Contact lenses.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I'm just I'm sick. I'm sick of it that you know, you don't have it. Yet. You're six for fucking 225 You should be a physical specimen. You should be a guy that gets whatever he wants out there. You can't get separation. Um, you know, you can't you can't catch worth the damn by you just

Dave Clarke:

when you catch when he does catch the ball. You can't do shit.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

It's like yo, I mean, I remember a couple of catches. He may have figured it wasn't last year. Yeah, it was last year. Guess can't care whether those calves died last year. I remember this. On the run. He got his phone was at the one yard line. Like what are we doing? Oh, God. Oh, wait, it didn't get him out of here. Good to get him on. Beer. If you listen to the show and you can put in the show notes Craig we've done a game which says Get that out of here. I knew game didn't care.

Dave Clarke:

We can just call that game Nikhil Harry from now, cuz

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love the

Rob Kelly:

shit out of T shirt great.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

show.com But no, listen, man, like, get get him out of here. Get him on here. I can't do it. Send them to Logan. Send it back to Arizona cuz clearly clearly he's just I don't know the mass loss. He's lost. I take your Tonio brown right now. Tonio Yes. Take a turn around come back. Willie have one game which you come back. But no, Christian Walker said no. Had a really good game. Now. i He dropped the ball a lot. So he has to work on that. But the fact that he scored two touchdowns on my journey button. Okay, Harry, get that man off my fucking team. Get him out of here. Send him to Logan Airport immediately. Craig come get him live help me out with the soundboard at over at your radio station.

Dave Clarke:

Somebody get this man a job. So he doesn't play for the Patriots.

Rob Kelly:

We don't want that he'll drop the signal, bro. Come on. We don't we don't want

Rayshawn Buchanan:

to say no. All that bullshit. Get them out of that. Oh, but Yo, get them out here.

Rob Kelly:

It's so funny. Because when you think back to that draft, so I, I had, I had to number one pick my dynasty draft that year for fantasy. And I was down to the kill Harry in DCad. Maca that was an actual decision that I was making as well. So this was a thing back then. However, since that day, they drafted him. I don't think that there has been one time over the three year career that he's had to year

Craig D'Alessandro:

through his third rep

Rob Kelly:

yet there, then essentially, because there has not been one positive highlight. I have not seen one thing that has come across my screen that was like, hey, Nikhil Harry did this, like Scott Hanson. You think

Craig D'Alessandro:

he's had a couple decent catches in the career but nothing like highlight reel where only one play

Rayshawn Buchanan:

the play that should have been at such Sunday call against Kansas City, his rookie year, that was a fucking touchdown. That and that we would have beat Kansas City. It might have been a different story

Craig D'Alessandro:

in a play ruined him. Might have ruined him now he was worth now

Rayshawn Buchanan:

he was already ruined. But let's be honest, but that that that was a really good play. He showed his baseball mentality then. And we never saw it again.

Craig D'Alessandro:

It's frustrating because I've we've seen him make good plays. We you know, go back and watch the Arizona State tape. He's amazing. He can he can make good contested plays. He just can't do it. I don't know if I'll speed. Yeah, it should be better. And to be fair, got

Dave Clarke:

the name. You know, I

Craig D'Alessandro:

really that's an article markable name. But to be fair, based on, you know, just by bills, drafting history. I think any of those wide receivers who got drafted the Patriots that year would have ended up like makellos like if it was Metcalf I think he'd be in the same

Rayshawn Buchanan:

problem. Debo Samuel. He is a patient wide receiver that would have been ever man that he don't debo Samuel would not have been as bad as the killer or maybe DK Metcalf. Maybe they know

Rob Kelly:

creative enough offensively to use debo like cuz deep wasn't Geebo wasn't debo until this year. Remember that until they turned

Dave Clarke:

the fucking specimen I think DK Mack has more likely to do all the Patriots than debo to be honest. Well,

Rob Kelly:

anywhere bro. He is gonna do well. Honestly,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

ah ha Brown would have been to me really the best guy here honestly. Um, yeah, he he would he would have fit the best there. But I mean how he wanted to be here. I mean, I he talked about he cried a few weeks ago saying Oh, I really thought I was gonna be a patriot and they drafted someone else. But Did did you guys have a show on a broadcast though? That basically Jacoby Meyers came here because they drafted Nikhil It was like he wanted to prove that he was just as good as the first round pick. Even though going on drafted well guess what? Jacoby you're fucking right sir. You know Wait, and then that first lap back and you've become my number one despite what Craig believes about you you have been caught on number flip receiver You're doing awesome buddy.

Craig D'Alessandro:

My rationale for Jacoby Meyers is he's a decent out of all wide receiver just not great on the team on the Patriots. Yeah, he's number one receiver anywhere else he's a three at best.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, I guess I guess the headline we can pick away from this discussion is through the good you can be better you can be better than a number one NFL draft pick you just need to find one that sucks. Listen, we got to talk about the bangles. Alright, we'll do the bangles we're doing the bangles and then we're fucking call that and now

Rob Kelly:

our fight. So let's go. Let's Can I just say right the bangles. Their value plus 2000 It's a good bet for the for the odds is absurd.

Dave Clarke:

It's a good that's a good price.

Rob Kelly:

I don't know why this team is being underestimated because because they're everything the Cowboys offense is supposed to be. You know what I mean? They got those three stud wide receivers. They are explosive. They have a running back who scores touchdowns. They have a defense who comes up big when it needs to. That team is something the only thing that could hold them back is that killer. That's the only thing that scares me about the bangles. But man, it was it is do you have any doubt that Joe burrow is going to show up in a big game because I don't job or Joe burrows showed up and playing well in a classroom or a test the important

Dave Clarke:

part for me, I think that dude has full on proven himself to be the real deal. On a

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Sunday. He's Yeah, I

Dave Clarke:

think he's, I think he's a he's got grit. I think he's got it. Whatever it is. That kid it was just that kids got but it's something and I yeah, he's got heart and also he's does great radio, Bobby. Yeah. The other thing is he, yeah, he's gonna show up in a bit. He's gonna show up in a big game. He just is gonna show up in a big game. And I think that's a good price. I'm

Rob Kelly:

really glad you put it that was 2000 man. Yeah, that's

Dave Clarke:

a good price for that for that.

Rob Kelly:

I better before we came up.

Dave Clarke:

That's good. That's good. But no, I like I think I think Joe burrow might like he might got the goods guys. Like I'm not I don't know, maybe this year? Maybe not. But like, I think he's got the goods.

Craig D'Alessandro:

He's everything that he's everything that Baker Mayfield should have been.

Dave Clarke:

They thought they were getting Joe burrow those poor fucks they really are. I've been saying that shit

Rob Kelly:

that you add in. You're bringing in his number one wide receiver when he won a national championship in college broke from they didn't even have to it was kind of like Chase showed up. He was just like, Yo, what's up? What's up? Yeah, you want to do this? Let's go. Let's go.

Dave Clarke:

He's so much better than Baker Mayfield that. I wish that he they did those commercials where he was living in the stadium because I believe that if it's Joe burrow, Baker may feel goes home and he fucking has somebody presses clothes for him and shit. Joe burrow. He would fucking live at the stadium. He

Rob Kelly:

would I believe no. Good hypothetical for you it is Baker gets cut. How How quick is the over under that Joe burrow takes those commercials over because I think that's

Dave Clarke:

honestly I got to make some phone calls. I got to maintain the

Rayshawn Buchanan:

first person was on the real king of Ohio.

Rob Kelly:

Yeah, go call me good. I gotta I gotta

Dave Clarke:

make sure this is happening honestly cuz this is it's too much he can't be he can't be the fucking was it is a State Farm does those Yeah. Or

Rob Kelly:

is it who is no state all state from

Dave Clarke:

State Farm bed the wrong horse as I'm saying and it's okay. It's okay to fix your mistake. A mistake is not

Rob Kelly:

to turn us into a beggar. Have you ever seen a bad luck? Just average, a bad athlete? Someone who's not good at their sport on TV as much as Baker Mayfield?

Dave Clarke:

I don't think I was that. What is that? I don't even ever happen. Why did we make him into this guy without him actually doing?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

That's what happens when you get the number one pick? Topics? Yeah,

Dave Clarke:

I guess but like you're under more scrutiny a lot of the time. Alex Smith

Rob Kelly:

wasn't on my TV. Seven hours a day. Okay. You

Rayshawn Buchanan:

know what? It was also 12 to five doing a different whole different era.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, Bobby. You were like fixing your antennas on top of your TV. You could barely get ESPN. Alright, so different era.

Rob Kelly:

Are you? You think I have rabbit ears? Come on. I don't know. I had him. I did. I was I was plugging that ox cable right in the back of TV.

Dave Clarke:

Wow, look at you fucking Fancy Pants it fancy. How come? I've never seen you at the opera. Alright, well, we talked a little bit about the bagels. Yes, we have to call it well that's it. I was fine. This has been the the missing the point podcast another fun filled and exciting week in the world of sports. I think we answered some questions. I think we probably solved most moral questions that the world can

Craig D'Alessandro:

today so do we solve world hunger yet?

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, actually, that's on next week's episode. So do not forget to tune in next week with a probably different cast the characters but a shout out rest in peace recipes. Betty White, super sad. She's dead. Just wanted to say that she's the coolest guy ever work with her? No, my brother. He's said she was super nice. So yeah, I'm sorry to say that she's passed away. But the Golden Girls is on Hulu. If anyone wants to watch. It's hilarious.

Rob Kelly:

How fucked up is it that we made it all the way through 21 Right made it all the way it was almost fucking over. And the year just couldn't fuck a lot. Betty White or dry now. I think she went out.

Dave Clarke:

She went out right at a time where everybody was gonna toast her the most. I think it was a classy stage exit from a fine television personality. But I think yeah, that's sad. And it's a sad note ended. But thank you guys for coming. Thank you guys for listening. DK sizzle reel BK Bob Kelly, Hollywood Ray Shawn Buchanan for our producer Craig D'Alessandro. Thank you all for being a friend. Tonight