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Armchairs Ask Athletes - Hilarie Rose

Armchairs Ask Athletes - Hilarie Rose
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Dave Clarke and Mike Marcangelo sit down with professional mixed martial artist and Massachusetts native Hilarie Rose (4-1) to discuss her upcoming bout and why it's the biggest one of her career: a slot on ESPN+ Dana White's Contender Series and a chance to earn a professional contract with the UFC.  
Hilarie also shares her thoughts on women's MMA and the current landscape of the UFC as a whole, as well as her personal journey to get to where she is today.

Hilarie Fights Tuesday, August 18th on ESPN+

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Transcript

Armchairs Asks Athlete - Hilarie Rose

Tue, 8/11 9:16PM • 58:39

SUMMARY KEYWORDS

fight, people, sport, ufc, watch, ronda, girl, women, fighter, cage, amanda nunez, put, talking, rose, jujitsu, Hilarie Rose, contender series, female, young girls, division,mma,muay Thai, 

SPEAKERS

Dave Clarke, Hilarie Rose, Michael Marcangelo


Dave Clarke  

Welcome, welcome welcome kind listeners to the first ever episode of The Armchairs ask Athletes podcast, a wonderful interview coming up with Professional MMA fighter, Hilarie Rose. But for now I'm going to introduce the team. I have my co host, extraordinaire, Mike, Marcangela, Mike, how's it going? 


Michael Marcangelo  

Very good, DK Thank you so much. It was it was a great, it was a great conversation. I look forward to talking a litte bit about it. kind of talk a little bit about it. 


Dave Clarke  

Yeah, I really loved it. I think Hilarie was great. Yeah, me and Mike. I feel like went into it not knowing what to expect because neither of us know we're in person. But we were just so pleasantly surprised that she just opened up immediately. She was super warm and and very informative. And like anything we wanted to talk about any way the conversation went. I feel like she went there with us. What do you think? 


Michael Marcangelo  

Yeah, absolutely. I think I think she almost went out of her way to make us feel more comfortable, which is odd as as the person being interviewed, to do that. Usually it's the people that are interviewing the person, but she just has such a natural like chemistry about her that it's hard not to just warm up to it. And I just felt like the entire conversation was just a conversation where everything happened like naturally I didn't feel forced in any way. And I mean, I loved obviously like when you guys listen to the interview, you're gonna hear a really cool story that she tells about jet just training someone for MMA, just a couple basic moves. But that question came out of nowhere, that response came out of nowhere.I loved it. I was I was shocked. I was pleasantly surprised. 


Dave Clarke  

Yeah, it was it's gonna be a tough act to follow, I think but I'm really glad that we got her for our first episode to kick off this. This show inside the SNSW network. Episode One armchairs ask athletes, Hillary rose, she fights on TV, ESPN plus, Dana White's Contender Series Tuesday, August 18. And you should tune in and we'll all be cheering for here at the Wrap. Hilarie How's it going? 


Hilarie Rose  

I'm good. How are you guys? 


Dave Clarke  

We're so good. We're so happy to have you here. 


Hillarie Rose  

Yeah. I'm super excited. 


Dave Clarke  

So big fight coming up I would say it's the biggest fight of your career so far right? 


Hilarie Rose  

No doubt the biggest fight of my career so far so definitely nervous but super excited to go out there and you know, perform and put on a show for the whole world. 


Dave Clarke  

Yeah. So talk to me about your opponent. So it seems like she's she's got the same record as you same professional record 4-1 and you're coming in to because  of the pressure of the fight, I'm sure she's experiencing it too. But definitely is the opponent to the opponent matter to you. Is it is it a game plan thing? Is it just execute your game plan no matter what, or is it No, we're preparing for this fight specific. 


Hilarie Rose  

Yeah. Um, I think we always haveGame plans, but it varies like, I never expect the same fighter that I see in the cage. Like the last time I saw her fight like, I haven't fought in over a year, I've had like some ups and downs people signed contracts people back out. So I haven't been able to fight in like a year, but she bought, you know, like, three, four months ago or like before COVID happened. Um, so, you know, I anticipate you know, people go back to their natural habits of things that they do in a fight but, you know, I'm not the last person that chief thought so she's probably you know, game planning a little bit, I game plan a little bit, but you know, once you're in there and you get hit, shit changes. 


Dave Clarke  

Everyone's got a plan til they get  punched in the face, right? 


Hillarie Rose  

100% and that's a real fact. that


Dave Clarke  

I try to avoid learning that lesson in my life. But hey, if you say so. 



Yeah, no it's true. 


Dave Clarke  

What's dangerous about this girl? What do you what are you going in and preparing for the most? 


Hilarie Rose  

Um, you know what, I think she's really dangerous that she comes really forward. She's very gritty. She looks very powerful and she has like a really great double underhook and like a Judo throw. So you know, I can't anticipate maybe those things will happen. But, um, you know, obviously, in my coaches and I and my teammates we work to, you know, things to avoid those. But, you know, sometimes you fall into those types of things. But, you know, I think she's tough and she's coming to fight, you know, we're both want to contract. You know, this isn't like a regular local fight as a professional, you know, we're both going and we're both want the same thing. So I'm expecting, you know, the best version of her. And if she's training as hard as I'm training, I know that she's coming to fight.  


Dave Clark  

So


Dave Clarke  

It's interesting because I did my homework on you. I watched I watched a few of your fights coming into this, and he says, she comes forward but you come forward,  that's


Hilarie Rose  

People say that's and I don't realize like it doesn't register in my brain. I feel like I'm not I don't come forward but I guess 


Dave Clarke  

Really, really? I feel it I mean, I'm just watching you I feel like that you know, you have this is my this is my mat mentality going in. But you know, that's why I'm so curious. I'm so interested to see this fight because if you say that she's game, I know your game. 


Hilarie Rose  

Yeah, we're both game. So I think it's gonna be good is we're gonna, we're very similar. So when I went out to Vegas, you know, they measure your limbs, they measure everything. And we're identical other than age. So like, our limbs are the same, our length is the same, our height is the same. So it's going to be really curious to see like, how different we use our bodies and how...


Dave Clarke  

Who wants it more. It's a who wants it more situation. 


Hilarie Rose  

Yeah, exactly. So it's gonna be fun. The thing is, I think we can...her and I will be able to showcase our skills really well, like by fighting each other. So you know, maybe she's going to really hit me hard and do something really great. But then the next minute, I'm going to really do something great. I think that we'll be able to put on like a really great performance because of the way we both fight. So 


Dave Clarke  

I mean, that's, that's those make for the best fights right?  100% yeah. 


Michael Marcangelo  

So you mentioned Hillary that you haven't thought in about a year right? Your opponent is fine with with the last four months. So how does that change your training regimen and mentality like what do you do differently knowing that you've had a year layoff.


Hilarie Rose  

I'm With a year layoff I mean. I am a drastically different fighter. I am not the same person that stepped in the cage last time. I got in the cage, I've had a full year of just breaking it down and getting better and focusing on little things power speed, you know, fast twitch motion and my jujitsu. So in the last year, I got my brown belt in jujitsu. So I'm getting close to black belts. So, you know, I think my grappling would be kind of an advantage, you know, if we get to the ground, but you know, again, it's MMA fighting. So it's not a grappling match. But um, yeah, I don't think that take the year off is like, I'm going to be rusty going into the fight. I had one of my best fights, I broke my hand and had like 16 months off and then I came back and had one of the best fights I've ever had as an amateur. So I'm thinking that maybe that's going to be similar. I'm going to go out there you know, really, really nervous, but then I'll feel like I'm back in home when I'm back in the cage. So because it's been so long, I think it's gonna almost be an enjoying thing to be in there. And it's like tunnel vision you're like you don't even remember what's going on. 


Dave Clarke  

Yeah, it's an interesting thing in the sport right I feel like there's a lot of debate about ring rust and what you know what effect layoffs have on different athletes from from my perspective it depends on on the fighter you know and I feel like it's it depends on if it gets in your head or not what you've done to improve I mean the sports all about growth you know,  it's all about what you can do you know in the offseason to kind of come back and like improve now if you if you lose three fights in a row and then you take a year off you might be completely in your head when you come back you know to me, but you might come back to the wrong reasons if you go and fight Floyd Mayweather in a boxing match and then you come back maybe you're you know, maybe you're gonna have a you know, maybe you're gonna just be a little off be a little rusty Who knows? 



Yeah, but I think ring rust is a thing like, I think it's mental. Like if you think you're gonna go into the cage and you're like, Oh, it's been a while shit like, how am I gonna perform


Hilarie Rose  

That's mental. So it's literally 90% of fighting is mental. And I think that's probably one of my biggest things is like,believing in myself and the self doubt like myself, Oh, you know, I'm getting this opportunity for a reason I've worked really hard for this and just continuing to tell myself that, like, I think that I'm fully well prepared. And you know, I know my skills and my ability, it's more just, you know, believing in them and going out and just fucking doing the thing. So it's just believing in myself. I know, I've been training since I was 14. So I, you know, my body knows it and my body's gonna react, but, you know, just I gotta just believe and just go out there and do the thing. 


Michael Marcangelo  

Yeah, absolutely. It's something that I really wanted to ask you for like the last the last week is, like you said that you've been training since you were 14. What was that moment in time like that? You knew you wanted to be a fighter like what what what was going what happened around you? I'm always really interested in that story. 


Hilarie Rose  

Well, I think being in an MMA gym, you know, you're surrounded by other people who fight but I, you know, there's not very many woman around. Like I'm in a gym and I train with another young girl, she's 19 she fights. And when I came into the gym, there was girls in the gym who were older than me, but they did muay thai. So it's like strictly muay Thai stuff, which was like, just stand up based kickboxing type things. So when I got to like 16, I had my first muy Thai fight, and I was training with some of the girls, but mostly guys, um, and I think after I took these muay thai fights with like, smokers and I kept going for takedowns, which I didn't grapple at all at this point. So I had no grappling experience, but the thing is, I was getting hit and I was just like," I'm gonna put you on your ass now". And, you know, you get points deducted for things like that. So I think after those, I kinda was like, yeah, I'm gonna start to mingle with some jujitsu. And then I became obsessed with Jiu Jitsu and after a few years of training and merging the two together and practicing with the guys here at the gym that I was like, Alright, I want to do an MMA fight and my coaches thought I was ready and I had my first one and I won by head kick knockout and like seizing chick on the ground and I think I was like, Oh, that is cool. So it was cool. And then I you know, I lost my second amateur fight but it's still like it's it was good I had that really good highlight reel, but then you know I got my ass checked too like you know, all right you still have to practice and you have to get better and like you said earlier you know this is a constant sport that's growing. You know, you can't just be good at one thing you have to be good at everything. So, you know, I can't just be good at wrestling. I can't just be a boxer. I have to be good at boxing, Muay Thai jujitsu everything. 


Hillarie Rose  

So,


Dave Clark  

yeah,


Dave Clarke  

I wonder how much like being a woman in sports in general is always a little bit more difficult because the platform's aren't quite as high. With MMA, particularly with the UFC, I feel women have been elevated to an equal platform a lot because of Ronda, you know, like, yeah, the levels that she she got to Mike and I were discussing it before you came on, her career was so interesting to follow because of  her draw her personality like the things that she was doing and yeah, you know, because it was so new to see women fighting at this level. I wonder when you're getting into this, how much does it impact your decision making to go with this sport I can take it all the way. With this sport I can become Ronda I can become Amanda Nunez. You know what I mean? Like, I mean even in your division alone, if you stay at 115 and you know, I want to talk later about about your weight classes and if you ever think about going up to 125 but if you stay at 115 You know, you're talking about Rose. You know, you wanna write you like rose. I love her. She's watching her since Invicta before she was in UFC on. Love it She is my absolute favorite. I love her so much. That's great. She's the best She's so cool. fighter ever. Yeah. And another rose, you know rose be rose. Maybe.


Hilarie Rose  

He called me a girls. I was trained at Lowe's ons and every time they see me they always have rules.


Dave Clarke  

DC like DC exactly perfect that's awesome but you know we these are super high level girls that are women that are fighting you know this weight class and and this platform and you know it's like I love rose you know I love you on I love watching these girls fight me watching these watching these cards because you go you know you turn in a fight night on a Saturday You go girl fight guy fight girl fight guy fight. Yeah, and both are are compelling and interesting and like everything that's going on. I don't think there's another sport, maybe tennis man but like there's no other sport that I think equalizes the athletes. I agree Funny enough, you know, because it's cagefighting. Now, like did that impact your decision making when you were when you started to train with that you could get a fair shot like a fair shake at this.


Hilarie Rose  

I definitely think so. And I think you know, with the support system that I have, I know that right now I am in the perfect time to be a female MMA fighter like Five years from now it's going to blow up like women are going to be all over the UFC, this and that and even in the time with Ronda to now, you know, there's obviously tons of women but I feel that right now, I'm in the prime time of women joining and being in the UFC, you know, like you said, like, other sports, you don't see it, like, you know, maybe tennis, but it's not like softball to baseball, it's completely different. And I think women still know right now that they have to go out there and they have to perform. And I think that's why they end up with really, really great fights because they know that, you know, they have to remain at this high level and, you know, put on these performances because there's always so many you know, who's talking behind a camera or doing whatever so, and again, you want to just impress people, and I think women know they have to go out there and put on a show and, you know, the reason we all can fight in the UFC is because Ronda Rousey regardless of her, you know, ups and downs with the fighting, she is the reason a lot of the reason why we're there, you know, she drew attention to Dana and Dana was like, this sucks. Got the real deal and you know, she's a lot of the reason I you know, I always looked up to her but never did. I always watched a lot of other fighters but I mean she is the she is the you think female fighting and people go Ronda Rousey? Like, that's, that's what people say, you know, Ronda Rousey and you know, I think that it's it's an amazing time to watch women compete. It's such a crazy sport and you know, even not crazy is the term but it's pretty crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. It's fun and it's intriguing and people who are educated on the sport even just a little bit jujitsu, grappling boxing, you know, they're invested and they want to watch and it's, it's cool to speak with people who know and aren't just like, Oh, I'm alien on the ground. And yeah, so. Yeah, but I mean, I think that right now is, you know, the perfect time for me as a professional to be in this sport because their eyes are on females right now. No, there's a stat 200 55 pound Men's Division you know and there might be a staff 215 pound strawweight Division but I mean I still have that opportunity and if I put on a good performance it's more likely me who has a record of foreign one than a guy who's maybe tending to unlikely to get on a card than them if they lose so I have an advantage even though I have a disadvantage, so it's cool it's cool to watch and see all the females out there and like put on shows and just dominate like I know you were talking about JJ and I don't know if you saw that JJ Whaley fight. But I mean, it's probably one of the most amazing women females I feel ever in your entire life.


Michael Marcangelo  

Yeah, yeah.


Hilarie Rose  

For anything much less like


Dave Clarke  

oh, yeah, for sure. I mean, you know, I don't know if I could watch it again because of what happened to you on his head. And it was you know, it just it stared me for a while it was she was like Roger from American Dad afterwards. But


Hillarie Rose  

yeah, to get the surgery and like any drains, I'm


Dave Clarke  

blocking blue. I know. And actually I personally had her winning that fight. That's just me.


Hilarie Rose  

It's very close. And I know that I mean Rose is going to fight Wally next and I know that that will happen and like, I love Wally, man, I love rose and I really I hope it's a really great fight but it's one of those like fan favorite fights or like whatever happens.


Dave Clarke  

I mean, it's, it's gonna be awesome especially at your weight class has so many ways it's cool to see


Hillarie Rose  

my weight class, but it's also scary. I'm like, shit when I'm gonna have to fight these chicks.


Dave Clarke  

You know, when the time comes, I think you're gonna be you're gonna be plenty confident


Hilarie Rose  

100% I'll get to where they're at. And I'll feel comfortable and it'll be good and every fight from now until then is going to be a hard fight. So can't underestimate anybody. You know,


Dave Clarke  

it's funny, you brought up Ronda, or you know, we've been talking about Ronda, the crossover appeal that she had when she first came into the sport, I think brought a lot of people in the same way Conor brought a lot of people me included, you know, I'm an absolute Conor Conor casual. Yeah, just like that's why I started watching the sport and like now I watch every week but it's that's why I came in in the first place.


Hillarie Rose  

I mean, those types of people draw people in.


Dave Clarke  

Yeah, totally. And and I think Rhonda brought a lot of people in. When you look at someone like, say Amanda Nunez right Amanda Nunez absolutely puts it to Ronda when they fight. The levels are clearly completely different and when you look at Amanda the things she's accomplished since then, you know, double chin beats everybody that comes near she's completely well rounded if there was any criticisms ever gave initially, maybe it was, you know, a cardio thing. She's completely fat, right? But she doesn't have the crossover appeal that Rhonda had for whatever reason. You know, when I look at her or Mike looks at or you look at an Amanda Nunez we see Ronda Rousey 2.0 you know, we see the most skill mixed martial artists women's time. Yeah, yeah, I would I would not fighter in a million years.


Hilarie Rose  

Five years running the men's 135 divisions you would pay over those guys.


Dave Clarke  

Yeah, I think she'd do pretty well. And I think I think, you know, to me, it's a little disheartening to see, you know, yeah, it's like it's, it's It's great that we have this platform and it's great like all the things we've just been talking about, but I look at him in new ideas and I'm like, Why is she not as popular as Ronda Rousey? doesn't make any sense to me, you know, like crazy. And it makes me think what and this is something that's talked about in the sport a ton. When you go in and you you know, we're so we're projecting here in the future two years in the future Hillary Rose is becoming a household name. She's getting advertised every week to as like to fight on these UFC cards. How much weight do you put in getting asses in seats? You know, like, as Mike always puts a talking people into the building, you know, it's how much weight do you put on the WWE Conor McGregor show that that comes with the sport and having that appeal and then yeah, so it's clearly having that power, you know, with with Dana with and with the organization, compared to you just got to win your fights, you know, and I mean, it's about being a good fighter. You know, it's like beads never going to be as popular as Connor in a million years, but he also So choked him nearly unconscious. So how does that make sense? like


Hilarie Rose  

crazy? It's been like Amanda Nunez who you know, and the thing is like that division was so like when Rhonda was champ was, you know me she attained a man and Nunez Sarah McMahon, all these people and obviously Rhonda ran through all of them. But then Amanda came in, and now it's like, it's no division. She's just beat everybody. And there's no one for her to fight, whether it's 45 or 35. And it's I feel like it's sad because there's a lack of women in that weight division. And she's not Yeah, it's it's weird that she doesn't blow up. It's like at sex appeal thing. You know, it's just like, I don't know if you watched recently, you know, Paige vanzant get her ass whooped. real bad recently, you know, she was so popular because she has sex appeal and she's very likable and you know, and I get that and that's great, but that only goes so far like it. Yeah, it only goes so far. Like I would love to find a trans man next week. Like I think I'd be okay. Anything from her She went in there, like in the UFC as like three and oh and just didn't have good experience how much experience and now she's kind of lacking. She's had a few injuries. It's nice that sex appeal thing where you know, Amanda Nunez maybe doesn't have that sex appeal but Ronda Rousey had it, it's very, you know, they want to sell people and get people in the stands and even with Conor maybe not sex appeal, but that personality me as you, you know, I'm gonna whoop your ass. So it's Yeah, Amanda comes in, and she's tough and she's hard and she's strong, but I mean, it's crazy. It's very strange. It's even like with Wally as the strawweight champ if you don't see them blowing her up, and she put on a shell of a show. So it's, it's give or take, I don't know.


Dave Clarke  

popularity. Sorry. Go ahead. me.


Michael Marcangelo  

I feel like when you talk people into the building that only works when you're winning. And you have one more shot after you get your ass kicked right. And knocked up by Holly home and she had one more shot to do it. Yeah, Amanda just ran through like a match. Right now Amanda is there. Whoever talks people into the building, they're gonna see her just whoop somebody's ass.


Hilarie Rose  

Yeah. No. And like the fact that she took it out Cyborg so fast and like they blew up Cyborg like, yeah, cyber. Some of you have seen this and that and then Amanda Nunez took her and killed her.


Dave Clarke  

Yeah. That was crazy. what it was like, No one saw that comment.


Hilarie Rose  

No. And the thing is, I knew Amanda would do okay, but when I saw Cyborg fight Holly home and he went five rounds. I was like, okay, you know, people can get the best of Cyborg and do this and that, but man, Amanda



is on another level. Hard. Yes. It's the other level. Yeah,


Dave Clarke  

yeah. Interesting, interesting stuff. So just to remind everybody we're here chatting with Hillary rose got a fight coming up on Dana White's contender series. big fight big fight for her. big fight for us now that we're in the Hillary rose business here on the SNS w network. So Hillary, what are you When to the UFC and you start to inevitably do well at 115, which I think you will the prospect of going up to 125 is there is that ever something you've ever thought about?


Hilarie Rose  

I think my coaches and I definitely discussed it. I've never thought it was 25. But, you know, if it was a short notice fight in the fight was right. And you know, the opponent was right, I think that we would definitely take advantage, um, in the pay, you know, it's all about pay. I mean, obviously, I'm a nobody right now. Like, eventually I'll be in the UFC and get paid, but I think it'll all base off, you know, who the opponent is when it is, but I walk around like 28 on 27. I'm to like 32 I'm relatively small. If anything, like if there was a 105 class I'd probably try to get to that.


Dave Clarke  

Your weight cuts not bad. You don't have a tough


Hilarie Rose  

now. I mean, I've never not made me. I've always made weight. I'm always on top of it. And the thing is, I'm strong at 115 I know that I'm strong. And I'm fast twitch. And I don't think that the 25 hours would be that much bigger. Because I know girls who fight at 125. And, you know, I'm relatively close to some of them. But again, like if the thing was right, and it was short notice, and let's say maybe I lose this fight on August 18. And they short notice they're like, Hey, we got a 125 fight. Here's your time. Let's go, we would say yes. Like, I know that my coaches would say, let's do it. We'll take the fight, and we'd roll from there, but I'd probably stay at 115


Dave Clarke  

Let's not entertain the possibility of you losing that fight. I don't think it's gonna happen.


Hilarie Rose  

Neither me.


Dave Clarke  

Yeah, I have all the faith in the world. That's it. It's interesting stuff to think about that with the weight cutting issue because everybody always advocates for for more weight classes in the UFC. Now, again, in the women's division specifically, I feel like that'd be tough to do, because I just I just don't think the talent pool is quite as deep. You know, like, I think there's a lot of great fighters at the top. I think there's, you know, a lot of great fighters at the top of every division, but it'd be a lot tougher to spread out those weight classes. And the women's division then in the men's division, and see where Dana's kind of coming from. It's like, everybody's been banging that drum for that was the one the 165 or the one that


Hilarie Rose  

goes like 170 to 185. And then 185 to 205, which is crazy,


Dave Clarke  

drastic,


Hilarie Rose  

drastic change. And I mean, I know a lot of guys that should that could fight, you know, 190 um, you know, we're like, 215 or something like add, so it's give or take. Yeah, I mean, with women, like you said, there isn't that many women. I think that that 115 division and the 25 division is what's really stacked and where most women probably walk around and like, right, wait, it's easier and more popular.


Dave Clarke  

It's harder to cut weight as a woman though, too, right? I mean,


Hilarie Rose  

yeah, I mean, with hormones and stuff like that. It's crazy.


Dave Clarke  

So I wonder where that's gonna go in the future. You know, we get more and more women fighters coming in, especially the generation that watched Ronda that watch and that's that starts to go I can do that I could you know, start to train Jiu Jitsu is at an early Your age, you know, and again, it's especially in you know, if you have a little girl and you wanted to do something cool, and nobody's going to let her play football or you know, whatever it is it's like go maker and ask kicker, you know, how many how many of those women are we going to see cropping up after after this generation that generation? Sure I


Hilarie Rose  

teach a kids class and I have a bunch of young girls and they grapple and they do grappling events, and they, you know, it's cool to see young girls who have no fear and they go in there and they're the same size is like the kid in their class. And they're, you know, picking up the boys and just putting them down and arm on them. It's it's really cool to see and it's awesome because the boys are like young girls just picking her up and putting her down on there. So it's definitely good and I think um, I think it's, it's still I think it's popular jujitsu young kids are very into jujitsu right now. I think girls were striking is still hit or miss. You don't see as many young girls early. Yeah, you don't you don't see that many. It's more jujitsu lots of girls grappling and wrestling which is great, I mean get them started in that and then when they're you know 13 1415 start getting them into some sparring put it together it's good it's a huge confidence builder I mean to know that you're a female and you can be you know, comfortable and you know if someone tries to attack you this and that I feel confident that I could protect myself. So if a young girl even a young boy that I teach something if they feel even just a little bit better, I mean, it's great.


Dave Clarke  

Yeah. And also they you know, it's funny that you say that because I mean, we're not you don't necessarily have to be trading the next generation of Hillary roses to go into professionally it's a good confidence booster and like you said, If I think it's if you're put in a situation if you're a girl and somebody attacks you, like you said, you might it might just be enough to be calm, you know, and think of what you have to do you know, because in a situation like that, you freeze up you know, and and if you if you have any kind of training or or any kind of like that those confidence boosters of land I've been manhandled before, you know, in a safe and controlled environment and I can like get myself out of this. I know the escape, you know. So like, that is definitely a super cool and positive thing your body


Hilarie Rose  

reacts like you things that you do over and over again, regardless of like if someone tried to attack me this or that my body would react their body or just your body, whether it's fight or flight, like your body is going to do what it knows if someone grabs you in a certain way or things like that. So even just a little I have a friend and a teammate, Shane, he was dating a girl in high school and he showed her like a triangle choke from the ground. And she went to college like that following year and call Tim and said I was getting sexually assaulted, and I put the guy in the move that you showed me and put him to sleep. Did I kill him and like she was able to get away. But it shows that like he was just dating this girl for fun and like showed her this triangle but her instincts kicked in and she was able to do that I can put him to sleep. So you know if a girl comes to five jujitsu classes and you learn just a few things. I mean, it could really help any girl even if I know little kids it doesn't matter yeah


Michael Marcangelo  

that's that's an incredible story and I think I've been thinking a lot about since you said we were talking about like the stars that UFC is created for like Ronda and Connor on the outside and how there's no other sport that really is, is is equal right and it's sad, but it's true. Why do you think that mixed martial arts and the UFC in particular has no problem leveling the playing field for men and women?


Hilarie Rose  

Um, I think because the sports more raw and it's not a team sport. It's I mean, it is a team sport, but because it's individual that may be a lot of that is it's it's going to be based off what you're good at and what you're if you're going to perform and not going to perform like if Tom Brady misses and they don't catch the ball like it affects the whole team. But if I get kayode or ik Oh, somebody you know, it affects the whole team, but Ultimately, it's I think it's the raw, the raw emotion that keeps people wanting to come in. And where other sports you know, baseball gets boring after a while, you know, baseball is great people love baseball. But I mean, whenever you watch sports, it's going to be action packed. And I think that because it's action packed, and it's women in men who are always action packed, like, regardless of its female or male, they're coming to show up. And it's not just them doing one thing. They're doing a lot of things and I think that's why maybe it's more popular than women in other sports, because the


Dave Clarke  

actions the actions consistent, too, you know what I mean? It's totally you can have you can have such a, you can have a bloody and brutal women's fight just as easily as you can have a bloody and brutal fight and if that's what you're, you know, I feel like when you're first starting to get into the sport, that's what's exciting. That's what's crazy. You know what I mean? Like there's there's no I watched your fight, I think it was must have been two fights to go where you're Rolling around with this girl she's on top of you. She's obviously like she was little squat, you know? Yeah. You got her with you got her with like a butterfly hook on her leg flip. You cranked her with this elbow. Yeah. And she's just bleeding everywhere. You know what I mean? And it's like, the commentators always do the same thing. It doesn't matter if it said, you know, in Connecticut or at the UNC bleed who's bleeding, bleeding her bloods all over you all over my face. Everywhere. Yeah, exactly. And it's like it's all of a sudden like it was it became it went from a kind of an even grappling exchange, kind of going back to you're kind of getting the edge on the feet a little bit. And then you just with this epic elbow. Yeah. And it's the whole thing just changes, changes and this is 215 pound women fighting each other. And this happened and you know what it means? Yeah. It doesn't matter if you're, you know, 250 pound guy or 115 pound girl the actions consistent, you know, to


Hillarie Rose  

this day, and I think that's why I think that that's, you know, softball You're hitting a big ball, it's not the same as you know, get hitting against a, you know, 95 pitch from, you know, a Red Sox pitcher, you know, it's different. So I think with this, it's, they're equal, they're doing the same thing. We're doing the same thing. We're getting in the cage and fighting and doing the exact same thing. There's no difference in sport, or game. It's it's all the same. And I think that's why women are you know, it's popular. And yeah, but it's cool.


Dave Clarke  

In your last fight, I noticed and I remember seeing a post about this happening, but afterwards, I mean, you got that you got that girl down on the ground. And immediately I like we brought up Conor McGregor could be I feel felt like it was kind of a rear naked choke but like kind of a face crank at the same time. It's like a face crank where you weren't like, you weren't under chin, right. You had her


Hillarie Rose  

under her chin, but I was over her chin. So she's kind of like stuck.


Dave Clarke  

Yeah. Yeah, she was done one way or the other. So she's


Hilarie Rose  

done, she would have crushed her job or I would have


Dave Clarke  

stayed into her movement. And it would have been Yeah, right. Right. So and that happened really quickly. It was a decisive win. And then you got on the mic and immediately started showing your personality. It was uncle Dana, get me on that Boston card. Talk about anything else. I want to be on that Boston card like whatever that didn't happen. How much do you think of you getting on there and yelling and and showing the world that like, who you are and how because it seems so authentic? You were just so authentically pumped up? Yeah, like after that, and then after fight, do you think that got their attention? Or do you like what do you what do you think?


Hilarie Rose  

You're watching, like, getting on Cena, but um, I knew other people were watching. And so I think getting someone's attention is what I really wanted. And you know, obviously that doesn't work out. Things happen. I mean, it I knew that other people were fighting in the car too. So I wanted to be in the Boston fight in TD Garden. And you know, that'll happen someday. Maybe not, you know, didn't happen in October, but doesn't matter. But yeah, I think I was like, yeah, give me that opportunity. Like you're coming to Boston. You know, there isn't many female fighters from Boston like MMA fighters, there's only a few. I'm the first one in New England to get this cage. Dana White contenders opportunity, you know, there isn't New England isn't filled with a bunch of female fighters and I, you know, I wanted that opportunity. And I want to be, you know, the first female out there, that's really gonna put a name for myself and for my team. And, you know, there's tons of guys and I trained with lots of guys, but you know, I'm a female and I want to represent and, you know, put on shows and, you know, there's not many of us. So I wanted to go out there and be a female on that card and in my home, my hometown, but you know, in my home city, and you know, perform, but that opportunity will come.


Michael Marcangelo  

So definitely you think that that, that that promo app after the fight helps for the contender series, or do you think they saw you didn't say Wow, we actually we have something here like this. This guy can fight and speak.


Hilarie Rose  

I The thing is, I always forget that I can speak very well like I'm always like, I'm a social weirdo and like coaches like no, you know, you integrate really well you talk to people really well. Um, I think maybe, for sure it did. I had a few like other fights lined up. In the meantime, like when I didn't get that opportunity. And Mick Maynard is the the guy who picks all the female fights so like there, Shawn Shelby, he he does all the matchups for the men. MC meter does all the matches for the female. So I was hitting up his DNS at least once a week saying, Hey, I know the contender series is happening soon. Please keep me in mind. I you know, I want to showcase my skills and do whatever and like every week like I would send him a message and be like, don't forget about me. I really want this opportunity. So forget about me. And then like February I sent him a message. It was like hey, I had a fight lined up. It got canceled like the girl never like signed the contract. Please you If you think about me, hit me on contender. Like, he always messages back and it's like, yeah, thumbs up. Um, and then in February, he sent me a message back and he's like, I'm talking to your coach. And and then that was it. And then my coach called me and then in February is when I found out that I was going to be on contender. So I've known for a while and was originally supposed to buy July 2, but because of COVID, everything changed. So they pushed it back six weeks or eight weeks, whatever it was, but I've known since February, so I've known for a little while.


Dave Clarke  

Secret to keep, right. Yeah. The world.


Hilarie Rose  

Yeah, it was hard. I mean, I definitely told a few close people to me, um, because you know, it's too exciting to keep them but they know not to say anything. Like I told my sister, she cried. And she was here to tell everybody just like a random person at work. Who doesn't even know you, but that's okay. Like I get it. Um, but yeah, it was exciting. Even when I was in Vegas a few weeks ago. I was like, hey, when can I talk about this? Like, is this something that we can talk about? Soon, and they're like, oh no actually put your name out there and like last week, or like the week when the video came out and I was in it, I was like, Okay, now I can talk about this.


Dave Clarke  

Yeah, how cool is that senior show in the


Hilarie Rose  

promo because there's like 12 female fights and they only put me in the girl I'm fighting in the promo so it was cool to be in the promo and like people send it to me and be like, holy shit, this is you. And I was like, I know it's so cool. I like karate.


Dave Clarke  

Got the star power thing down. Now you just gonna go win a few mixed martial arts fights the easy part


Hilarie Rose  

that's gonna keep with it.


Dave Clarke  

So great. Did I see you retrain with Platinum Mike Perry recently?


Hilarie Rose  

My strength and conditioning coach, his name is Mike Perry. I get people who send me messages like Mike Perry or training of McMahon like no strain the conditioning coach. This guy's much better than I was gonna say.


Dave Clarke  

I was gonna say, Yeah, you're like going through my period. Like what's he going to teach you how to do? Get get your nose broken?


Hilarie Rose  

Get myself in trouble.


Dave Clarke  

Get a bar fight.


Hillarie Rose  

Yeah.


Dave Clarke  

I didn't realize that. Oh, he's yes he's this superior Mike Perry for sure. Yeah,


Hilarie Rose  

yeah.


Dave Clarke  

So coming into this like, what kind of like I personally in the UFC love pageantry, all the pageantry that goes along with it. My favorite moment the Conor McGregor walkout you know, like the big walkout moment of like the, the Irish Conor song coming on and then like, you know, it goes into Biggie, like Israel out of Sanya, one of my favorite fighters right? Yeah. Now obviously we can see clearly from this interview and from you know, some of the other stuff we watch you've got all the personality in the world would like what kind of thing do you think you can showcase going in for walkouts, pageantry? all this kind of stuff? Are you are you focused? Are you laser focus going into that? Does that stuff not matter to you? What is it?


Hilarie Rose  

usually like the thing is, I don't play with anger like I love to fight like fighting this way. And I think people go into fights and they have to hate their opponent or like, get down deep and like be mad, but I'm genuinely like, I'm happy to be there. Like, if you watch my fights, I always walk out in a dress in a boots. Like That was my thing. I always wore boots in a dress, but now I can't do that because of the UFC. So I'll give I'll have to walk out and other things, but just whatever. I mean, I don't care if that was my thing. My thing was, I wear a dress and I wear boots because when I'm not in the cage, you know, I'm just a typical chick who likes to go out and hang out and be with my friends. And I mean, my friends are all in the gym. I don't have that many friends. But you know, I like to dress up and feel like I'm actually a woman, you know, because most people like man and ever see look like, you know, dressed up. I came to the gym the other day, and I had like a dress on and my hair was down and one of the kids that I know he's like, I've never seen you with a dress before. He's like, you look like a completely different person. Like Yeah, no, I can. I can clean up okay.


Dave Clarke  

I wonder how much of that factors in for you personally, though, you know, are you I mean, I know you're in a position now where you're probably just focused so much more on the fights and your opponents and the people that you have to go and beat in a physical competition, which I'm sure is like the bigger deal, but how much of your brand Have you thought about? Are you thinking about who, who you are and who, how you're going to be represented to the general public once you inevitably take off because I can see from just from talking to you that that's obviously gonna happen, you know, you got all the star power in the world, but like, Is it just gonna be I'm just gonna go out there and be myself or


Hilarie Rose  

Yeah, you know, I'm just gonna be myself. I don't think that I have any sort of like, you know, persona that I'm trying to be I think I'm just I'm pretty authentic. And I'm, who I am. I'm not trying to, like, draw attention, like the girl I'm fighting has like 30,000 followers on Instagram. And like, I don't, I got like 1200 followers on Instagram, like, I'm not. I'm not displaying myself in a certain way. Like, I'm very confident in who I am in my ability and my skill and I think, you know, maybe actually You know, I get more popular and the media gets more popular that maybe that'll change. But, you know, for me, it's more just being my authentic self. And, you know, I find that I'm a likable person. And, you know, if I'm likeable people will like me, and if I can perform, people will want to watch me perform. So I think with the two of those together, that that's, you know, very beneficial for me watch some fights, like you said, You watch fights, like Carla Esparza I mean, she's great, but she doesn't have a personality, like, you need a little bit of a personality, you need to go out there and be able to talk to people and get people to like you, inside and outside of the cage. And I think that that's really important. Um, so I think that maybe as I grow, things will change. But I'm more focused on just being my authentic self and who I am and, you know, believing in my skills and my ability and inside and outside of the cage. So yeah,


Dave Clarke  

I think MMA fans are discerning punch too, you know, it's like you seen I'm sure you've it seems like you're pretty knowledgeable about both sides of the sport, but The thing that I've been watching closely is this whole Colby Covington you know, persona that he's invented, you know this thing. Yeah, it's obviously fake. I mean, and yeah, and it's cringe thing like cringe thing. Yeah, it's it's but, but it's not like anyone ever thought like it didn't really work do you know what I mean? It's like, I think what kind of elevated Ronda and and projected Conor into the stratosphere is I feel like if you're hanging out with Conor McGregor, that's what he like. That's just like it's just who he is, you know, like, like or not, and he can be an asshole that said, but it's like it's clearly authentic. You know, so I think I think authenticity is a big is a big part of it, because when you do this, like, you know Colby Covington I'm in a magga hat but then you go and get your jaw broken by tomorrow. Huisman, nobody gives a shit anymore, you know, and it's like, you're just annoying so go away. So like you


Michael Marcangelo  

can see it Yeah. And if


Hilarie Rose  

he did, like a little less of that, like the thing is, I can't take anything away from him. One of my favorite fights is him verse, Robbie Lawler. I mean, he touched the target the entire time, like there was like one of the most strikes actually thrown inside of UFC fight he touched the target such a target such a target was always touching him like if he just like ended up on his damn take like let me smack this chicks ass and like all this shit like people would like a more but


Dave Clarke  

that's what that's why he did it though right because I think he was I think he was I feel like a lot of athletes in the sport get caught in that kind of middle zone where we know their fights but nobody gives a shit about them so it doesn't you know it's I almost feel for Kobe in a way and Henry because it's like they're they're obviously top level competitors but they got to make up some song and dance to get on anyone's radar you know and I think a lot of that's Connors fault. You know a lot of that's a lot of that's the promotions fault, but mostly it's just the fans. You know, it's if the fans are gonna buy into it, then you got to do


Hilarie Rose  

the fans well, because you know, there's the people are like, yeah, this guy loves drop. He's at the White House. Of course you have those people who are gonna be like, yeah, cool. Oh, this guy and then you're gonna have people like I hate him because he likes the president. The United States


Dave Clarke  

but it's also it's I mean, it's like turning heel the WWE hate them you're still going to see it.


Hilarie Rose  

You're gonna watch that's the thing is no matter how much people always watch, they want to watch you either lose and get your ass whooped or they you know, they'll see you win and then they'll be mad on the internet about it. That's right.


Michael Marcangelo  

All those keyboard warriors out there.


Hillarie Rose  

Yes. So it's hard to not listen to those people.


Michael Marcangelo  

I can't imagine so like, what are like some of the worst things that you've read like about you like that from from like, just assholes on the internet?


Hilarie Rose  

More just like a good one. My one I won my last fight and I said like, Oh, you know, I want to fight in the UFC in December. There is like someone who's like this chick fights Cannes. She hasn't fought anybody tough. She's never gonna make it in the UFC. And like, I just comment back and I'm like, Am I gonna kayode at least he was in the UFC.


Michael Marcangelo  

Yeah, not my mom's basement. Right? Yeah, exactly.


Hillarie Rose  

Sure. I mean, I'm not. I don't really get bothered by that. If right now. They haven't Her name's up on like topology and I'm gonna like an 80% chance of winning and I'm like, oh my gosh she's she's likable she has again 30,000 followers on Instagram so people know who she is. But people know who I am pretty soon when I beat her


Michael Marcangelo  

she's trying to go like more the Gina Carano route and like be in that crossover that sexy to where is your just that octagon love being there and just knock her face off? You know?


Hilarie Rose  

Exactly, exactly. And some people like this girl her husband fights next week so that's their like story is he her husband is also fighting on contender so he fights next week and then she finds the week I like obviously um so like that's kind of their story like them starting with the bottom and getting up to here and I think that's great you know that they did that in there together but you know, some people weren't giving shit


Michael Marcangelo  

yeah. We were talking about before about like that that color to Dana right. Have you had any interactions with him and not I don't want to like break any bubbles. Like what does he like? If you


Hillarie Rose  

have I've never I've I've never spoken to him ever. I think the first time we get up is Fight Night. And I'm probably gonna be like, holy shit. Dude.


Michael Marcangelo  

You should definitely say that


Hilarie Rose  

I'm more excited fighting in the UFC and meeting Joe Rogan is really what I want to do.


Dave Clark  

It's interesting, you know, like, personalities like that in the UFC have brought such a strange and fun thing to the brand. Like Dana White is such a lightning rod for people in a way that like, you know, I have opinions about some of the things he's done, but you just can't help but respect the guy for the things that he put together. You know where it's going right now,


Hilarie Rose  

he was fighting going and people I mean, regardless of people hate fights, they were watching during the 19. And during this time, like it was the only sport that was on TV. And you know, people were watching and he's smart, and he goes, I'm going to keep CIT alive, and I have the money to do so. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. Right like that's the thing is he got a fight Island and he had everybody tested and they were there for a month. Like, he's smart and he educated himself. And the thing is, people hate on him because he's making it work. And, you know, he's looking to make it work. I think other sports had to watch him and learn from him in order to get shit start going.


Dave Clarke  

It's true. We talked, we talked pretty extensively on our main show, about how badly baseball bungled this entire thing. And how it's funny to watch in 2020 everything just be putting the TAs it's like you look at America's pastime, you know, classic nostalgia baseball. Yeah, just making just completely failing and fumbling through trying to get this back on. And then you look at professional mixed martial arts cage fighting, just branding, like getting the fights back together, getting Pete getting asses in the seats. Yeah, I mean, there's, there's obviously some practicality, points there. It's like it's two people in a cage, which is helpful. You know what I mean? As long as those two fighters are COVID, clear, you know, everyone around them, whatever. But at I mean, you can't help but give it up to the guy, you know, I'm sure he worked his ass off over those few weeks. So maybe we'll fight on an Indian reservation, maybe we'll fight on an island, maybe we'll fight you know, in an Abu Dhabi, like whatever it was, you know.


Hilarie Rose  

And the thing is, you're wanting to make it work. And he did and that's, you know, you can't like you said, you cannot give him props for that. And, and people hate on him and like, I think they came in bellick for the guy I always forget. Like, run. Yeah, yeah. I think they were like, butting heads and he was like, talking shit about him. After like a press conference one day, I was like the look. Yeah. That UFC money.


Dave Clarke  

You know, he's the reason he's the reason why everybody knows about mixed martial arts. You know, I mean, it's like, it's the, the only the only way I can sit and yell semi intelligently at the screen watching a fight is because Dana White, you know, two decades ago started to put this stuff together, you know? And Chuck, Chuck Liddell and Tito Ortiz, like, had a rivalry and then like we went from there, you know what I mean? So you got to give the guy props for that, at least


Hilarie Rose  

for sure. And it's the biggest Promotion you know, it's the reason why there is Bella gore and all these other promotions and that they're popular because of UFC blowing up. It's makes people who watch the UFC. Want to watch the other fights want to watch bellator want to watch one championship like it's all because he's made UFC so big. And now everyone's like, oh now public tours on tonight gotta watch Bella tour. Oh, you know, one one championship is on tonight. Gotta watch 166 somehow. Yeah, exactly.


Michael Marcangelo  

When they put on that Kimbo Slice Ken Shamrock mash like I was I was like, that's that's just not it's just not good for anybody's health. Oh,


Hilarie Rose  

no, for Kimbo Slice. He was a great guy. But I mean, he was, I mean,


Dave Clarke  

it was why we kimbos why we have Jorge Mossville. Now. You know what I mean? It's generational stuff here. You know, it's


Hillarie Rose  

one of my favorites and you are not wrong.


Dave Clarke  

He's the best.


Hilarie Rose  

is like, people hate him. But I love Jorge masvidal. He is just great.


Dave Clarke  

Amazing. What do you think about it? Fight, I think, you know, short,


Hilarie Rose  

you know, for short notice he performed, you know, you can't take anything from him. And he's likable. He's a likable person. I mean, I think a lot of people don't like him, but he's likable and he's, you know, he goes out there and he performs and he's a badass. I think that he if he had a full fight camp, you know, maybe it would have been would have got it, maybe he wouldn't have, I would have been maybe slightly different. So, I mean, you never know. Great. It was a great fight. I'd love to see it again. I tell


Dave Clarke  

you what I love about maza doll is he kind of he comes on the scene. It takes a little bit of time off and he kind of gets in everybody's radar with that huge knockout against aspirin. Yeah, and you know, the build up, he's, you know, like, we talked about being authentic and stuff like that, but the build up is, he's just like, I fucking hate this guy. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna knock him out and then you're never gonna have to listen to him again. And I also did not like been asked and so I was like, let's go like, yeah, it's just like, you know, he's just showing up. But it's flip flops everywhere and be like, Whoa, chill bro. And it's like come on,


Hilarie Rose  

like a dad that should be like a soccer game on a weeknight


Dave Clarke  

mas it all goes in there with one of the most spectacular knockouts in the history of the sport and then he's on the map but before that, you know, he was a journeyman fighter. He keeps a ton of fights, you know, he worked his ass off like he was you know, he has this great story of like sleeping in his car outside of the gym, and just being all in from day one, you know what I mean? I think that's you know, that those kind of stories are gives such appeal to these fighters, but they have to do something to have people listen, you know, like, which is fine you know, it's like you got to earn you can earn your keep here do you


Hilarie Rose  

think like not as many people were listening to listen, like this man as a great story too, coming from Africa and doing all this shit, like, people cared less about that and cared more about basketball. And it's it's interesting how how it pans out sometimes.


Dave Clarke  

What's your opinion on fighters like that? You know, I know that Because you obviously fight for a living and like you're doing it professionally, you probably see a little bit more than your average fan. But, you know, if you're just coming into the sport, if you're watching a fight for the first time and you watch Kebede fight or Huisman fight, you're gonna go, this guy's fucking boring. You know what I mean? Like, you're just gonna be like, what? Now? Do you see more than everybody else? And that excites you? Or do you actually just like people that throw hands? You know, when you're as a


Hilarie Rose  

fan watching, I can appreciate, you know? Okay, the lucemon fight. I mean, it's slow. You know, sometimes those fights are slow and you can't expect but again, you think of Bo well, Israel, Amazon, you fight, you know, you have to go into a certain fight with a certain, you know, Israeli zamia knew if I'm going to be getting close to you. Well, he's going to try to knock me out. So it's, it's a very slow and control but like you can appreciate it, but at the same time, I think everybody has such high expectations for fights like that and they want it to go a certain way and when it doesn't people have you know a mood about it but I mean, like I look forward to watching could be even though you know maybe he's on the ground and he's just punching somebody in his crazy lockdown of his legs but he's not because I am a fucking winner. I'm going to fucking kill you like he yells nice things that make you intrigued but of course I want to see people on the feet and fucking crack each other because it's awesome you you look forward shit like and people are like oh he shit like I watched contender last night I don't know if you guys watch it but he was on it. Yeah, and there's that Kato hit that other kid with body kick back you hear throughout that whole room and I'm like, holy shit. Like you look forward to things like that because that's exciting. And then you know what ends up on the ground and then can beat the shit out of him. But it's, it's almost I want to see the setup to the ground like shit out of this kid on the stand up and get him on the ground and be the shit out of him on the ground if you're not going to like a home or stuff like that. So it's it's hit or miss. I guess it's based off the fights Yeah,


Dave Clarke  

it's funny. It's crazy to I feel like I've been I've been saying this to anyone who listen, which is very few people, but I feel like the lack of crowd has elevated the sport. This is my leg. This is my hottest take of the UFC because you had the crowd in there which I feel like there's a lot of people that know about the sport and a lot of people that understand what's going on, but there's certain venues like the Vegas crap, right? The Vegas crowd knows. You know, you can put a fight in front of a Vegas crowd they know they're there for a reason.


Hillarie Rose  

And MSG. 


Dave Clarke  

Now definitely same thing you put it then you'd have those random cards right where they were in like, like, you know, Jackson, New York, whatever. Exactly. And you could actually hear the crowd not knowing what the fuck is going on and start yelling for shit that like you're like no, you idiot like the referee can't stand him up. He's in an advantageous position or whatever. pull your hair out. Oh, it's the worst right so but with the it was the he Ferguson fight that was the one I really noticed it was when they're fighting in front of no one and this is like the biggest fight for Like that's happened in months, right? It's got to be good. And every time he hits him, you're hearing this like you're a crunch and you're like, Oh my god, this is this sport needed needed this. Yeah. Yes. You have to be close to the action. You know what I mean?


Hillarie Rose  

It's close. And you can hear the commentators you can hear your corners. Yeah, it's amazing. Cuz you think, and there's no one to I think, sometimes the audience Not always, but sometimes, like, you hear people booing and like, even though the judges maybe know what they're doing, maybe they don't, you know, sometimes it reflects, like, it reflects on things like it's mental. Like, they may not think about it, but it's true.


Michael Marcangelo  

It's hard not to get all that stuff.


Hilarie Rose  

Yeah, and when people are booing, I like that there's no booing because, like people who are uneducated don't know they boo and like, both things are happening and you're like, oh, boy, this doesn't make any sense. Like there's good things happening right now. Like give it a minute and let them get back up or mover subs gonna happen and it's it's hard for me even when I go to like UFC fights and the people around and I'm like, oh, Yeah, like how am I not gonna get in a fight with somebody here today?


Dave Clarke  

Fair wouldn't be fair. Yeah. Yeah, it's funny because I mean, it is in the grand scheme of things, a fledgling sport, you know, it's young and people just don't know enough about it to be because


Hilarie Rose  

it's boxing fans like boxers, people who watch boxing their whole life and then it gets to the ground and they have no idea what's going on. So they're like, look at them plain and fucking on each other and like, Yeah, but then the people who only grapple they understand like, Oh, look at this. He's got it under hook. He's going for that guillotine choke And so yeah, I know you have those. It's like, really hard


Dave Clarke  

on one candidate connard ever get another boxing match? Because I don't want to talk to boxing fit. Well, they're saying that he's gonna maybe I can't I can't do it. Now, I don't think so. Well, you know, I'm a homer.


Hillarie Rose  

Because he knows that it's this.


Dave Clarke

Yeah, he doesn't care.


Hilarie Rose  

He doesn't care when lewis is getting paid millions. He's gonna have shorts or chips.


Dave Clarke  

It's not a sport. You know what I mean? He goes in loses in a boxing match doesn't matter you know it doesn't matter doesn't matter.


Hillarie Rose  

 And the thing is all the MMA people are gonna watch in all the boxing people are gonna watch so it's money. It's money in Dana's pocket, because Dana lets it it's like a group thing like when he fought Mayweather I think it was like,


Dave Clarke  

they all made out like bandits.


Hilarie Rose  

 they're smart. They play the game. They know how to, you know, make money.


Dave Clarke  

Yeah, for sure. All right. Well, I think that about wraps it up. Mike, you got anything else for Hillary?


Michael Marcangelo  

No, I just want to say thank you so much, Hillary for taking the time to, of course, you're so stoked to have you we I mean, I'm personally rooting for you and your site on August 18. safely. We get to after the after you win. Yes, for sure.


Hilarie Rose  

Yeah, I'd love it. This is super fun. It's good. It makes me feel like I listen to Joe Rogan every day. So cool. It's like I'm talking. I like it.


Dave Clarke  

Totally. I think for anyone that listens to this podcast and for us participating it will definitely have some new hits. Rose fans, you are so great and so gracious for coming on. And


Hillarie Rose  

it was super cool for you guys to reach out to me. It was a great idea. So yeah,


Dave Clarke  

yeah, so happy to have you. So that's it for our first armchairs ask athletes show Hillary rose fights on Dana White's contender series on August 18. And we wish her the best of luck, but I don't think she's really going to need it. And thanks, Hilary, for coming on.


Hilarie Rose  

Thank you. It's such a good time. I hope you guys have a great day.


Dave Clarke  

Thank you again to our wonderful guests. Hilarie Rose for coming on the show. She is a professional mixed martial arts fighter and she will be fighting on Dana White's Contender Series on Tuesday, August 18. If you want to find her on Instagram, she is at @HilarieroseMMA. And you can also find her on Facebook and don't forget to tune into her fight next Tuesday, August 18. 

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