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Dave Clarke
Welcome into missing the point on the 617 Podcast Network. We are so glad you're back. And we're here with good news the Celtics have achieved a two one lead over the Golden State Warriors in the NBA Finals six months ago. I don't think anyone would have expected me to be saying that sentence so job's not done. We know that but I think we can celebrate just a little bit defending home court, which I think was a a sort of a a worry, considering some of the home court performances that we've had over the course of the playoffs we're gonna go get into individual player performances against endgame in a what I would consider a weird game three I'm glad that we want it but there was a contained a plethora of emotions as usual another disastrous third quarter, we'll get into that, but they got their shit together and figured it out. And and the Golden State Warriors are so upset about it. So I want to start with that.
Rob Kelly
There's Oh upset, just as like an overall well, we'll
Dave Clarke
go from the postgame here just as like as an overall array. I'll start with you reaction as as a team that the Golden State Warriors are having. If that was the Celtics, would you be saying? Yeah, no, I'm glad they're pissed off. Or would you be being like, yeah, you're bitching about the wrong stuff, like shut up and get back to trying to win again?
Rayshawn Buchanan
Probably the latter saying you betrayed them on the wrong stuff. It's just, you know, shut up and play, bro. Like, and just this is one time when it's okay to say shut up and fight. I know, we've talked about different contexts, different way different context. But yeah. So it's okay to tell them to shut up and just play right. I've been thinking about this when I felt that we were going to either leave with this or renewable at some point during the conversation. This feels like we talked about 1991 before like, we talked about Sanders with like the manual bulls just
Dave Clarke
going in my head since he said it like in a pretty constant. To be honest.
Rayshawn Buchanan
No, I love it. I'm glad that you were thinking about whether we're on the same page with that. But this kind of feels like what Detroit was was doing in 91, when they knew that Chicago had finally woken up, had finally be there. And they knew it Chicago, New Detroit, New Chicago, new NBC knew everyone knew that Chicago was the better team. And it was it was Chicago's time to be ushered into the new era of
Dave Clarke
Jordan was Jordan, there was no turning back from that point on. Right?
Dave Clarke
Sure. Bobby Ray says that it looks to him if I'm reading between the lines correctly that the Golden State Warriors already know they're fucking toast. If anybody knows it, it's the people out there in the court. They can feel who's better you know. So Bobby, do you agree I'm, I have a sneaking suspicion you might like just to hazard a guess that you might be you might be on the same page about this. But do you agree and then what do you think about about the kind of national stage that Boston Celtics fans are taking to be very Boston in their chants. Draymond, you know, yell and shit from the stands. Oh, there's kids there. Listen, man. Those kids are gonna grow up swearing because of their zip code not because of the fact that their basketball teams in the in the NBA Finals is my opinion on it. But what do you think are we are we not classy? Like, like Klay Thompson says, and do you think we're in their head?
Rob Kelly
Yeah, I mean, so when you look at a Boston crowd, right? This is what really just annoyed me about the whole thing is like, this isn't the This isn't new. This was the most predictable chant that has ever happened in TD Garden as fuck you drag on after his comments after the way he's been playing. It's just the way Boston reacts and the way we react as a crowd to someone in that stature, who is our mortal enemy during an NBA basketball series. It's happened and it happened with was Bobby Portis was I heard a Boston Crowd Chant at Joakim Noah. Noah has swine flu. That was an actual chance that happened at the TD Garden. Like this isn't this isn't new news or anything like that? It? If you're asking me there, it's 100% in the Warriors heads.
Dave Clarke
My first thought my first thought when I heard Klay Thompson's quote was dude, you should have heard what we were saying adjacent kid. We think that's bad. What I mean, so I just, I liked that about us to be quite honest with you. I liked that about our team. I liked that about our crowd and it's a it's to be expected acted like I'm just surprised they're showing their hand like this that it's like very clearly getting under their skin because I think that all of that's going to do is encouraged the crowd to do it more. I think it leads into an interesting point about the man himself that sort of bulletin board material our crowd up Ime Draymond Green hilarious. statline. I heard I think it was that Charles Barkley coined the phrase, Mr. Triple single. I think it was just it was just horrendous, embarrassing stat. Right? Especially after talking all that shit, especially after talking all that shit to Grant Williams and Grant Williams have in the day that he had kind of in tandem with, with the big man, Rob Williams. So, Ray talked to me about Draymond. You know, I'd say he's, he's had one out of three good games, and the other two have been pretty much he's not only bad, but he's a full on liability, the warriors. What do you do if you're Steve Kerr with him? And do you tell him to keep doing it? Do you could tell him to keep the dream on and just trying to play his way out or you do tell him to shut the fuck up.
Rob Kelly
I feel like they have it has to be they've exported that matchup. You know what I mean? We you get it guys athletic is Jaylen Brown. And this isn't Draymond Green of three, four years ago. This isn't Draymond Green of 2016, who could possibly drop 32 points in games like that Draymond Green is dead and gone. You know, this is this is someone that he uses those mind games and he gets in people's heads and he's got so much basketball awareness at this point that those athletic, you know, those athletic negatives don't necessarily show up as much because he can get in people's heads and things like that. So yeah, I mean, you have to do something at this point because it's been exposed, that Jaylen Brown is clearly more athletic than Draymond Green can clearly take him off the dribble. And and if Draymond is not being that menace not, as the subject even said, trying to mock up the game and being successful at that drama is not going to be a successful player on the court. You know what I mean? And he is someone that I feel like when Jaylen is at his best, and isn't turning the ball over isn't driving into traffic doing those things. He can take him off the dribble every single time. And it's something that you have to adjust to if you're Steve Kerr, this series could be kind of quick.
Dave Clarke
Yeah. Ray from from a defensive point of view, do you think that you as Steve Kerr have to keep Draymond in there as his with his for his defensive presence and trying to get back to that part of the game? Because if you ask me and correct me if I'm wrong, he has such an offensive liability, that he puts them in a situation where they I'm not saying they can't do this, because I think they're the best that there ever was at this, but they get themselves into a shootout, you know, because I don't think he's playmaking the same way from the inside that he used to be a few a few years ago or even even in past series, he was able to do it. I think our athleticism and our length is really preventing it. So what do you do? You know, it's allowed move to to limit train ons minutes in this situation? What do you do if you if you're Steve, Kurt?
Rayshawn Buchanan
I think, you know, you go we were brought into the dance and okay, you can't, you know, do a 180 at this time of the year. Yes, you have to make adjustments in a series that that's what a seven game series is for. But once again, they've been by finals together, they've won three together. I just think that is something that you know, you give him as much leeway as much as you can before something today, okay, I have to drastically change this. So that could be tomorrow as we record this on Thursday. It could be something that as on Game four, it could be game five back and back to San Francisco so I just think that car has to really rival who brought him there. Now maybe you know that give him more Mr. Jordan Poole but Georgia I
Dave Clarke
was gonna I was gonna be my next question is crucial minutes crucial. Fourth quarter minutes, I think maybe went to the wrong guy from their perspective, that's a perfect that's obviously a perfect transition. Because Jalen was the next person. I wanted to talk about it. Like I think that I think Game Six against Milwaukee was the last great game that we saw Jayson Tatum have. However, I think since then, he's found a way to contribute in a huge way and be a big part of the reason his team wins in ways that aren't just volume shooting and scoring sort of coming along in a wagon train behind that. I think he's doing a good job of like, you know, not shooting his way out of situations. But I think the big thing that's helping him is that Jaylen Brown is stepping up when he needs to step up. Has he slid into the number two role as we've discussed the medically he's done it, he's accepted it. But in accepting that I would wager that if we stopped this series right now, and the Celtics winning to one, I would wager that it will be very difficult for you to justify to me or anyone that's been watching it that Jaylen Brown isn't the Finals MVP as of right now. So as much as you know Tatum's had some great playmaking and I've been sticking up for him. Jaylen Brown is the reason isn't the main reason if we're going to highlight anyone why, in my opinion why we are up to one right now. So talk to me about the themes of the dog that we've seen in him a little bit more than Tatum since the start. And also, what is it that youth what what do you think it is? That fuels his performances early in games so much? And I don't even think he necessarily fades. I just think the Celtics strategize to exploit the fact that he's now a problem the other team has to deal with. So now you go to your other weapons. I don't think he actually fades in the game. What do you think it is? That gives him such a spark at the very beginning of games? Is it as athleticism is it the way his game develops? Talk to me about it.
Rob Kelly
I think it's the game plan. If you know what I mean, when it comes to how these past two rounds have gone. It's very clear that the primary defensive objective for both the heat and the Warriors is to shut Jayson Tatum down. We've been constant double teams, just constant traps constant swarming hen as soon as he gets the ball. So it's just it. It as a matter of good basketball. You have to adjust to that. And Jayson Tatum has shown that he can do that by, you know, putting up a career high and assist in game one and doing these things to get Jaylen involved. So I feel like it's all game plan by by our boy and just you got it. I did. Try. That's three shows in a row man. three shows in a row. It's just it's it's very clear that that's that's such a focal point is to get Jaylen going and almost making the other defenses you know, have to be honest with Jaylen. They can't just throw everyone at Jayson Tatum because when you have Jaylen Brown, who is absolutely dominating athletically, you're you're supposed to best defender you're you know, you're big Marcus smart, then you know, you don't have a choice but to kind of fade off the Tatum. And then you see Tatum take over in the second and third quarter and that it's just this constant battle of like, Who do you go on? And it just makes it so much more beautiful when Jaylen is hitting no shots, man, it makes it makes his job so much easier, and makes him be able to go when he goes three of 19 in game one. Yeah, you know it, it makes him be able to do that. But we still win the game by 14 points. So it's a constant. Yeah.
Dave Clarke
Yeah, I mean, I agree. And I think that's a great transition also into zooming out a little bit, I think, to take a look at this whole Celtic squat. I think we have six to seven guys that we can rotate that play elite defense at this point. And I think that the team defense is great, but I think our one on one defending is unmatched has been unmatched in this entire playoffs. And I think the ability to trust everyone defensively leads into everyone trusting everyone offensively, which is a harder level of trust to build because I think you can build defensive trust through hard work and drills and rotation and knowing where you're supposed to be when you're supposed to be there. But I think it takes a lot more nuance and a lot more intangibles to build offensive trust. So let's take Derrick white, for example. In Game three, he's doing an okay job on staff. I feel I don't think he's as good on staff as Marcus is the numbers don't lie with how good Marcus has been defensively across this whole finals.
Rob Kelly
It was absurd. And game three. But
Dave Clarke
Steph, Steph just starts to do the Steph stuff. Right? So you kind of go okay, and he you know, Derek White's, we've talked about the derrick white unit, the fact is, you know what, he's going to contribute in the first five minutes of every single game, right? Or maybe even less. So we kind of don't see him again afterwards. And we go to this Rob Williams, Grant Williams rotation where we're doing a really good job around screens, and we're doing better on the pick and roll, you know, that third quarter notwithstanding? What do you guys think about the fact that, you know, Ray, for example, I'll go to you on this. You mentioned that Golden State was incredibly deep. And I argued with you thinking, well, they're at home, you know, their role players are just going to step up. Do you think our role players our bench in general, do you think that we have a better bench than Golden State? And do you think that that's played a part,
Rayshawn Buchanan
I think, gay one showed that we were that we had a better better wake up fire, pushed out some moments. But then again, it's like USA spent the Otto Porter on their side to get, you know, four threes or Jordan Poole to have 17 Again, too. So I just think it really depends. You kind of just what you were alluding to, to decay. I think it really matters. Who's loses on the net, right? Like, there's some nights where I'd say man, Monday, white paper Pritchard and Grant Williams going, who's been the scene, but it is nice when you get Otto Porter, you know, Jordan Poole, you know, ag going off. It's like, well, how do you how do you stop them but you got to still stop Draymond Green. Jaylen? You got to understand play and step so I'll go the home route though. I will say that you know, we were at and are at our best where we're better even though off the bench in my opinion, you know those guys are very formidable in my opinion. They're missing a big piece to me. They're like James Watson was someone who still could be, you know, really good. I also, I also expect the Jonathan Kuminga to be me to me.
Dave Clarke
Do you think do you think that if you're a warriors fan and this is the you know, the missing the point, the Golden State Warriors hour? Do you think you'd be mad that they underestimated how good their core was to get to this point? And then he should have added another piece towards the end of the end of the trade deadline? Because I feel like they had a they had room to maneuver that.
Dave Clarke
So Steph Curry, let's let's chat about him for a second. It feels like every time he fucking shoots it goes and we know this. You know, we've seen him but we've seen him play these incredible you know, I think I honestly think he makes his team better shooters by by shooting with the confidence that he shoots that I genuinely believe there's guys around him with higher percentage points from frankly, stupid spots on the floor because they see Steph do and the confidence builds around them but talking about Steph, I've been it's worked. I mean, we're up to one you know, like I'm just gonna say that. I'll say that right off the bat. Well, you guys have talked about it to me in the in the group chat. I've noticed it and it's been very frustrating. The buzzword has dropped coverage. Right? Why is it that pushing our big men around these screens? Why are we sagging off? The greatest shooter of my lifetime in your lifetime?
Rob Kelly
What's what's so frustrating about it is like you see it happening in real time Al's been doing it you know they've all been doing well it has to be in its it has to be an instruction Right exactly. And I don't know I feel like they're protecting so much on that Steph floater and that Steph dribble drives that like for some reason they're sagging off on that coverage, man, I don't know. I saw Ray shaking his head maybe he has I honestly don't know why we've been doing it. But I can tell you that as the games go on, it seems like they adjust to it and they get more in his face so I don't know if it may be it's a trying to sounds absurd but trying to wear him out in the first or second quarter and letting him think he's getting his shot and then all sudden swarming them. I I honestly do not know I don't have a basketball and so forth.
Dave Clarke
We have taken a quarter from him almost every time he's ran away from us. Yep. So I'll say that but it is it's just just from a basketball fan of this particular team point of view. The amount of times he gets to pop that quick release in an absolute fucking open cold air is so upsetting to watch because you know it's going on when it leaves his hands talk to me.
Rayshawn Buchanan
Ya know, I was shaking my head out of out of frustration not necessarily to happen so but no, but you know,
Rob Kelly
I was just kind of hoping you did yeah, no, I
Rayshawn Buchanan
know. I'm gonna give my best all here goes out to get him to cope. No so I don't know said no, it was really into the structure theme. More of an interesting thing. Right. So when you're a bigger guy so Horford Williams either loony on their side right? They although they can move their feet with a guard or a wing instinctually their instinct is to I'm gonna naturally jump back to protect the pay so that's those less what's happening right but as you heard on the on the mic note boggers more Senator gave one Hey, this is not my enemy. You cannot grow Yeah, does that yeah, just you could not back off at a gig going under on on respect. So you got it in your hands. I'll walk it brought it up. Some of you blitzing them as you bliss or hedge. One of those two things have to happen every single time. Like and every time. I don't care who's out there. Like it took me so I know. He's not a fanfic. You're not on the show. But you know someone who should be good at doing that. Blitzen every time Tice really is Daniel Titus. He shouldn't be he shouldn't be for not
Dave Clarke
like doesn't do it. He doesn't do it though. No, but
Rayshawn Buchanan
it's just like, to me it's It's like I don't know if it's like it's a block they
Dave Clarke
knew who you were gonna say
Rayshawn Buchanan
yeah we did somebody might listen it they did a good bit grant it could have been but but it's just like Titus has the he has the the of the bill for
Dave Clarke
it. He has the length. Yeah he has
Rayshawn Buchanan
he has when it says afford to it's perfect, bro like what are we doing?
Rob Kelly
He tried it in game one. You know I mean Tyson was out there a few minutes in game one I noticed because Williams was a little banged up.
Rayshawn Buchanan
It was fun the game window.
Rob Kelly
I know. But it's still but it didn't stop. What was I don't know. I don't know why
Rayshawn Buchanan
I couldn't like this. So they to me they were able to steal the biggest difference between game one and game two. They were able to steal minutes with Pritchard and Titus on the floor. Right because we know that both night super great defensively. They date the efforts there but you know obviously you know curry has curry some of the guys there are two
Dave Clarke
biggest defensive liabilities they get meaningful minutes for sure so
Rayshawn Buchanan
that again to that you know hey, everybody in that third quarter caught fire people people that was in the parking lot coming into the game they weren't able to get a shot it like it was it was it was out it was out of control that third quarter
Dave Clarke
but it can't be a coincidence. It can't be a coincidence that they have great third quarters and we have shitty third quarters every single fucking shore
Rayshawn Buchanan
but the biggest thing I think we shared it in our group chat earlier. They may kill the third quarter. We're dominating the fourth. That's I prefer it shattered so I've got it. That's a winning time you know, I find Okay, great. Great. Great. Great you got to greet the quarter. Okay, let's pause it for a short short moment. A basket I pulled a Barbie last night Did I not? Bob was going Bob is pulling me up now I'm fucking pissed I see God as a quarter look to you good we're good
Rob Kelly
about that call.
Rayshawn Buchanan
No oh it's all good does this whoa the flagrant one that we're gonna get? That's a joke that was
Rob Kelly
a joke though. The most fraudulent seven point possession in the history of the NBA
Rayshawn Buchanan
yeah that was That was wild I knew that shot was doing it so you believe like the crowd crowd was going nuts crowds guy was pissed off could if it was almost like I went I went to go get water back in time I said what is going on like what just happened? I just this is wild so but yeah, I don't know man like we went on a tangent there but it's just I said listen man tight the hand that is big dawg. Listen, you have the hidden you but we need we need to see even for two or three minutes like we need to see those moments like you have you have good enough athleticism to react, recover, react, recover, react, recover like that's you have to do every single time. Every time.
Dave Clarke
I think speaking of speaking of it from from an I'll go to you on the spot me I think speaking ever from a tactical basketball point of view. If you have a Rob Williams type getting hit around those screens. I think you can tell him to sell out on a on a stretch blanc to get a hand and Steph Curry's face. And I think he has the recovery time to let if Steph because there's the point to be made. There's the alternative point to be made. That if you're a bigger guy, Steph Curry's not actually just a shooter like he can play you one on one he can go around you and he's actually been doing a pretty good job of that in this series. He's it's not talked about an often because he is such an amazing lights out all time. Greatest shooter ever. Whatever the fuck. It's like, Well, anyone wants to talk about but it's so ridiculous. He's he's a good. He's a good playmaker, too. He's a good ISO player. He's he can he can get there from the corner, especially if you have to come up really close to him on a shot. I'm okay if Rob Williams sells out and stuff goes by and gets a step on. And you just ride his hip because you know, he's gonna have to pass it because if you're riding and say, Ben, yeah, he might be a little ahead of you. He's not dunking that shit. You know what I mean? Like he's not going up in yam and that shit down. He's going to put up a fucking layup. And if you're Rob Williams, your eyes light up. If you're on Steph Curry's hip and he puts up a little fucking floater as we saw four key blocks in that last game you know and blocks that were on this block. My favorite one was the one on the step floater timed fucking perfectly. Just absolutely ripped out of the air. Just do that. You know? Make him beat you inside the perimeter. You got to do that. Yeah, is he still good at that? Yes. Yes. Know how to make him beat you in there.
Rayshawn Buchanan
Right? Yeah, I'm glad you brought that part of it. The next thing the next progression for Tumblr right because listen, yesterday was the best game of the series Lily might have been
Rob Kelly
unbelievable last night
Rayshawn Buchanan
Yeah. i To me the next thing I want him to do when you when you pin it or when you when you block it. I want him to catch it. And a goat because he's a he's a great He's a phenomenal passer you know he just gonna pass anybody else on Team catch it and a goat like just don't yeah, don't I did you want the moment? We're gonna see that I'll highlight so years to come. I get it.
Dave Clarke
There's three steps to to the play that you're talking about and Timelords bad Step two, he's good at step one, and he's good. If he gets there, he's good at step three. But step one is get the fucking offensive rebound Get the fucking ball, get the, I think you can do like get the block, make the play. That's step one. Step two is possess the ball. All right, yeah, possess the ball in a way, it's not even how tightly you have it. It's how quickly you can do it. So the other team stops gambling on the fact that you're fucking bobble and like a hot potato in your hands every time you get into that situation, because, to be quite honest, when he lays out for the initial step one, I think he takes a second almost every time to be like, nice.
Rob Kelly
But when you think so, the one the one that stands out to me where he completed all that was was when he went up for the easy. It was an easy layup. He claimed it, right. But he knew how much more athletic he was in Draymond Green and he knew that ball was fucking his. He legitimately like dribbling trying to get the rebound.
Dave Clarke
That was so embarrassing for Draymond Green.
Rob Kelly
I know exactly the player talking about now that's my fucking ball. I'm gonna lay this shit right back in nice and easy. And that's, that's the, the, the potential and like the upper level of Rob Williams, you know what I mean? And
Dave Clarke
we've been talking about his ceiling for the entirety of her solo podcast you know, and I think I think he's better I don't think he's as good as you can be. You know, I think injuries aside I mean, I hope
Rob Kelly
I feel like he's been hurt he's always fucking hurt. Oh, Bobby, that's we've been having that conversation for two years.
Rob Kelly
wait for quick contacts DK was cursing the Celtics for trading Fernando at the beginning of this year has wanted bro, we don't fucking know.
Rayshawn Buchanan
This board this board. He didn't want to go to Fernando. Moses Brown. I want to go to brown wasn't
Dave Clarke
first of all, it was Moses brown. It was Moses Bret. First of all, I'm going to say a couple of things in this first of all, the real thing that pissed me off is not getting Myles Turner. That's where this
Rob Kelly
that's what it was right? It's and that was my original. That's like my OG Celtics battle right there. Right?
Dave Clarke
This is where it all fucking started because Myles Turner would have brought to the table what Timelords bring to the table at his at his best right or my not at his best best but like you know what he's doing what he did maybe Lasky the Moses brown thing. He actually really did have a really good second half of last season. And when we got him out you guys are like he's just a piece we're gonna move on. It's like contract stuff. I just wanted some fucking length on the team.
Rob Kelly
Like we just won out over seven feet. That's you do it? I did.
Dave Clarke
But the thing is Rob Williams. That's fine. He plays over seven feet. It doesn't actually matter that he's six nine. Because it's actually ridiculous that he's six nine. It's like hard to believe but he's he's
Rob Kelly
the most seven foot looking six I've ever seen his arms.
Rayshawn Buchanan
I'd like obviously I've been in this house. I've been near the locker room like yeah, he's he's every bit of that but uh, you know, still maybe get a little bit stronger than that, that that will come obviously he's only in his fourth year but yeah, but I wanted to go back to the offensive piece. We're gonna I love to be brought to that that was hilarious. But I think that it's
Dave Clarke
just before you go I just have a defense. I want to hear this point. There's I think that there's different types of basketball fans and I think me and Bobby are like very similar about how we watch sports in like in general, but how we look at basketball and like the idea of way that it's played is completely different because I just think it's just it's it's a coaching thing to different coaches are like this. Some people lean forwards. Some people lean guards. Bobby leans guards. I lean forwards when you have a Jayson Tatum type who is the longest guy on your team, and he doesn't do any of that shit. It's fucking frustrating to watch me but yeah, but we're Rob Williams doing it. I've piped down. I've completely fucking piped down on it because he's doing what he needs to do an Al Horford bringing bringing some stuff to the table. Right when it comes to that stuff, too.
Rob Kelly
Yeah, that's the piece.
Rayshawn Buchanan
I think I'm just I'm probably a wing guy. I think I'm big on
Rob Kelly
the middle bro. You're the perfect tree. Oh, do it. Yeah, I'm the guard. He's a big man. You're the wing.
Dave Clarke
That's what we should we should all get an MBA 2k And just like well, it's perfect.
Rayshawn Buchanan
Yeah. Perfect, but I feel like whoever wins you can do anything but
Dave Clarke
yeah but welcome to missing the points big three.
Rayshawn Buchanan
Exactly that's like
Rob Kelly
totally down to be do it
Rayshawn Buchanan
Hey, that makes me Bosh fuck that I would definitely take for sheriff I don't know we gotta gotta get one first but no, I'm back to time where I feel like the next thing outside of like I said obviously catching it and give an outlet pass when he catches the ball in the paint. So what if it's not for a walker every time it's not always going to be a blob by way that that password work for Jim buss I was phenomenal. But just when you catch it high, finish high, please heads high finish high Nobrega down, do not read the whole wide to do just catch up and catch it high. You finish high. So whether that's a lob, whether it has to do he did it a few times last night where he caught it, that the rebound went right back up. I said yes. Because your second week was bigger is better than people's first leave Robin Williams like, I need to understand that your second lead robber who is portrayed and people's first step, so to please Kex high finish high like that is that is that is fundamental one on one, catch high, finish high. And then due to Allah pass. And I promise you, you're probably looking at the next old starter ball. Something's rumblings at that that's happened.
Rob Kelly
I feel like what the problem is, and I feel like this is kind of a team wide problem where there's so the they had PTSD from the three to four years that happened leading up to this where they heard they heard so much about their ISO ball and they heard so much about them being selfish and they heard so much about them not making the extra pass. So that feels like sometimes it was Rob underneath with Tatum, with with with Jaylen all these guys that they have, they have a tendency to try and find that perfect shot and to try and get everyone involved almost too much to where they've over compensated for all these things that they heard about themselves. And it just kind of seems like it's a whole thing. Because let's I completely agree if Robin Williams went up strong with the ball, and just took his opportunities where they were given to him, he'd be scoring 10 to 15 points every single night. But what he does is as soon as he gets that rebound, man, he you see it in his eyes, you see it, you know what I mean? You don't see him want to go back up strong. You see him be like, Okay, who's on the perimeter that I can kick it out to where's this guy that's open for this shot. When it's like, bro, when you have a shot, it's almost like the hockey experience where you know, like to shoot the puck and ball. And it's just, it's I feel like it's just the whole team thing that they have to get out of. But hey, I'd rather that then then the ISO and in the bullshit that we use to deal with so like, I completely get where it's coming from. But I feel like that has to be you know what I mean? Because what other excuses would there be for Rob Williams, who's more athletic, more, a stronger? He's what he's got the wingspan that's longer than anyone on the fucking floor mat. So it's like, I just feel like it's something in their heads that they're like, We got to get that shot. We got to get other people involved, when it's just gotta be like, Guys, go play your fucking game.
Dave Clarke
Here's what I would do. Here's what I would do. If I'm if I'm on the Celtics coaching staff, and I say like, email, give me give me two hours.
Rob Kelly
It was so effortless for you. Email, you know, it just can't because it's
Dave Clarke
too fucking syllables, Bobby. Email, we got to just give me two hours this morning. I want to do something a little different with the guys they had the rest of yesterday. Let me do the warm up. Let me get let me get them going. Well, I'm gonna put Robin Williams right in front of the net in a five on five game of volleyball. And I'm just going to teach Rob Williams how to set. You know, I'm just going to teach him how to set and I'm going to teach him how to spike. And then when he's underneath the basket, we're going to do a little Mr. Miyagi. Okay. Remember, when we were doing wax on wax off before it translates? Don't even catch the fucking ball. Don't even catch it agree tippet. You know why? Because of exactly the point rageous made, your second jump is better than a lot of people's first jump. Your presence puts you in the right position. If you miss the tip. You've guided it in the direction and only you know about, you can go up for another tip. And another tip and another tip if you want to. And you can just play fucking tippy toes right by the basket. All you want, you know and like in the on the offensive side aside of things from a defensive side of things. Don't do that. Right? Like definitely go through that. There's the opposite of that. There's too much of that going on, in my opinion across the board with the forwards on our team when we're trying to get defensive rebounds too many slaps and tips grabbed unwelcome ball I want box outs and and and possession in those situations and I don't even yeah I agree with you long term rate playmaking from that position for Rob right now control the ball well and we'll set up again just control the bomb was set up again
Rayshawn Buchanan
would I agree we've seen it though that's all my yes
Dave Clarke
you but it makes it a little more fresh content
Rob Kelly
it comes in spurts you're nuts yeah yeah, exactly
Rayshawn Buchanan
yeah I've seen him throw a bus pass on the money and I'm like oh my god like this is something that they need to unlock because if he's doing nothing that's the key and I said it on the show I love the show we deal with Jared Whitestone here I'm gonna go if he's become that playmaker he's becomes our warfare light and if you add that 50 foot jumper man we're wearing visited once again you only need eight to 12 points you don't need something reasonably good video. I'm not worried about that. But just eight to 12 points that's not always you lobby get home because once again he even though he gets that threat. It's like no, no, give a little give a little push out. It's okay. But I love what you said Dave about that about just really that tip okay the kitchen and said because listen, he already actually he is a former Celtic but we know him as well and a hawk. Dominique Wilkins was the master of the tip duck. Yeah, he was off that in that it was it was it was easy. So Rob, I'd be I just did YouTube was your friend. Watch how dumb he used to look at how he would catch the ball. Dominic was smaller than you. But you know your jumping ability as soon as Dominic's i Man that was yeah, that would be crazy. I remember that dumped the kg head on pug this whole game one to Rob was to do that every single time. That's
Rob Kelly
Rob Williams is the most stereotypical walking double double I've ever seen in my life. And if that man can double double with five blocks, right? Exactly, yes. Crazy if he can actually develop a jumper which he actually has, I don't know if he if you guys have been on YouTube. Yeah, bro. I've been watching like their pregame warmups and like their practices and shit. Like there'll be like two little two three minute videos. And Rob has a jumper he can even extend out further than that, especially from the corner.
Dave Clarke
I don't know, I hate I hate to cast a pall on that, but to be honest with you, based on the positions that he takes up, and this is part of the reason why I love him. I would much rather he spent those minutes, hours days in the gym working on a baby hook. You know, like we're working on just based on what the NBA does
Rob Kelly
anymore, though. Is it? Oh, I
Dave Clarke
don't I don't know. I feel like he looks different enough. And he and he moves different enough and he takes up positions differently enough that like a sky hook or a baby hook or just a little spin move. You know, he's got the athleticism to be able to create from under the basket. You know, I think I think there's a couple of and this is actually a good transition to move on and talk about you know, our our resident penciled in superstar in Jayson Tatum. I I think there's too many players on our team that can't play with their back to the basket. If I had an ideal world where I wanted and this isn't a huge criticism of right now because I you know, I think we've been playing great and I think we have things we can we can do. But if I want to Jayson if I wanted Robert Hughes to watch tape domine Wilkins for sure. Kareem Abdul Jabbar for sure guys that played with like that extra length and maybe weren't like enormous.
Rob Kelly
Okay, but I feel like he came is to dream. Of course, that's actually hilarious. But of
Dave Clarke
course, of course, but if I want to Jayson Tatum and this is transitioning to talking about him, if I want to just dinner and watch game tape, I think he's already good at a lot of things. And if I think I wanted to add some to his game I want make him watch Kevin Garnett. I want to see him at the elbow. Imagine imagine if he had that he really doesn't. Okay, click he really really doesn't I think he turned when he turns his back to the basket. I think he gets 50% worse at basketball. And I think that if he developed a postgame he's he's you can write them into top three in the NBA.
Rob Kelly
It's funny, though, because so yes, I completely agree that he has zero postgame. What he does has is he has the the Paul I don't know if it's a Paul Pierce fade away. He has that that elbow. Automatic, but not it's not it's not you're right. It's not automatic, but it's there. But I just don't feel like that's that's the game that he's ever going to want to develop. I don't think it's again, that he'll work on to be and if he does, I completely agree that he is in the last piece. It's Oh, he's he's the superhero basketball player. You know what I mean? If he can develop an actual turn around elbow jumper, where he's back and someone down it can do the turn around fade away, bro, it's Yeah, it'd be all over for the rest of the NBA.
Rayshawn Buchanan
Wait, whoa, whoa, we've seen that. Maybe. That's the game when it goes New York couple years ago.
Dave Clarke
No, I think it's there.
Rayshawn Buchanan
Just like that step. We talked about last Episode Two episodes ago when he faked the fuck out of Jimmy you get that little light that is there. Yeah.
Dave Clarke
It's not something he's doing consistently that's my point I think he can do
Rayshawn Buchanan
it no but his I mean he's he's got stronger each year like that's not he's he's he's a pole George tight that's his body like that Paul George has to say but you're not going to get those plays where the better no one down back to someone down I
Dave Clarke
don't I don't know if I wanted to back somebody down I don't know if I need them to go to work in the post I'm not asking them to do that I'm not asking our our finesse superstar to doing it. You're saying
Rob Kelly
the past the past that elbow in the turnaround?
Rayshawn Buchanan
Yeah, no, but that but even so, one dribble to dribble, and then that either you're turning this way or the turn the other way. I love what he does over his left shoulder. But I feel like it's more it's more automatic, don't
Dave Clarke
you think is Don't you think his length influences the fact that any kind of fade away if he can develop it, especially with the spin moves that he's added to his game? Oh, sure. And a fade away is going to be fucking on Article and spinning. It's gonna be on guard and spin move. And if he can, if he can lock that shot in and make it like one of his shots. You know what I mean? Like, like how good it's ironic how good Steph has been about coming around little baby screens and just getting that extra second because I actually feel like Tatum was doing a fucking really good job of that in the last two series in the last three series, I should say. But he's got that shot right when you see him sneak around a screen and he pulls up and you see him pull up with that confidence. You're like automatic, you're like that's that's absolutely going in, you're starting to see a Jayson Tatum shot that is going in before it goes in. You know what I mean? You're you're like, that's good. Next play, right? Like you guys. Everybody should be going backwards. Paul had it re had it. Kevin Garnett had a turnaround jumper from the from the elbow that he could do that was I like I was like, That's fucking going in. You know, I think that I think that when you start to see him gain confidence in those areas. I made this point last time I was on the show. LeBron had to develop a postgame to become LeBron James, you know, to become the true Super Saiyan iteration of Lebron James. I think last year, we said on this show, it is bucking on record. If Jayson Tatum became a really good playmaker, he wouldn't have to rely so much on his shot to have a new game. What have we seen in this playoffs? His playmaking has skyrocketed
Rob Kelly
set the record for most assistant in their first finals game ever
Rayshawn Buchanan
dropping. He's dropping
Rob Kelly
literally have a dime they're ready. Theater. Wow, I love it.
Dave Clarke
He he went from when he's not when his volume isn't translating into buckets. He shoots tries to shoot his way out of a slump he went from that to Okay, well, not my nice shooting, got to trust my teammates, everybody start making cuts right? I'm going to draw double teams. And I think he's even got a little bit of playmaking with his back to the basket if he has anything with his back to the basket. I think he can actually do it for a couple seconds far away from the basket and actually make plays because of his size.
Rayshawn Buchanan
So can I add to that? Yeah, so that so once we get here by watching making comparisons and likes I can do this all night but think about shelter Kevin burger, I could do this all day, right? So if watch video of this Carter's Skip pass, or what I mean going, we went across the one side of the court the other bits Carter was the master of I'm on the right side of the wing, I'm going to flip it all the way over to the other side, and some will be over foot or corner three, which is the easiest shot or the easiest thing to hit in the NBA. Like if he met and that's another that's another play that you can master that he does every now and then like he's really hit me great have a really good rapport with that, like grant would build out to the corner.
Dave Clarke
And I like him and granted I like him in grants on the corner. I agree. Yeah, they're
Rayshawn Buchanan
they have a pretty good report but I mean, I see him like they work on it. I see you they they work on there before of the game. So yeah, it's all there. But you know, I think because I think Bobby You said that you said his name so I'll go back to him. Jayson Tatum actually has a little mini dream shake in his game already. And we can watch one on bellow under movie does on its own as unguarded is unguardable why it's not
Rob Kelly
the only people that can guard it is the rest the rest of the only ones I can get it for
Rayshawn Buchanan
free exactly for our old school self experience to hear Kevin McHale had up and under move today with them. They're adorable too. They used to call him a man of 1000 moves like it was ridiculous so hey, what listen to keep keep keep doing it. That is just to the best possible though when he when he shows up and under the guy leaves his feet every single time because you have to respect that he's gonna shoot it over you. So once once he goes up, it's like, okay, underneath scoop layup you know, next play as you say
Dave Clarke
those those weird bank lamps that he's taken from strange angles are going to start dropping to like, they're going to start dropping in soon and it's just going to be like, once and I think somebody finally got through to him in the sense that if you're not shooting well, I and I think this is might be our generation. So you know, yeah, me as the old basketball. Yeah, but like if you're, if you're the kind of player and Bobby I'll go, I'll go to you on this to respond. If you're the kind of player that is having trouble getting to the basket and you're missing layups, and you're kind of getting bodied in there and you're having trouble. I personally would rather you keep trying to do that, then shoot your way out of a slump, because the calls might start going your way. The defense's might start to switch, they might start to get tired and good offense B's good defense every single day of the week. So if they start to go to sleep on you a little bit, those layups start to drop, and what happens when those layup starts to drop? Is your shots open up, you know, so, for me, I think the best way to get your shots to open up if you're a Jayson Tatum type, especially, is to go to the basket. And I think he's doing more of that this is stuff we've been calling for, for years, you know, play, he's becoming a guy where you have no fucking idea what he might do in a situation if you're the other team, and no answer, and no answer when no answer for what he actually does do. And when that stuff starts to drop more and more. Granted, he hasn't had honestly for his standards, and I think we're beating him with a stick of his own success. I don't think he's had an amazing scoring series by any stretch. But him having this ability to do this other stuff. That's what's making him so dangerous. You know, it's the multifaceted aspect asset of his game. So to talk to me about that, and like what you think, yeah, he missed some layups. I agree. But if those start dropping him in, the game's over,
Rob Kelly
so I'll go positive before I go negative. So this I think this all leads to here right to what Ray's been saying about Jayson Tatum for months, and that's ascension man he has ascended into, from a from a great scorer to an actual, like, all star MVP caliber basketball player to where listen, he guess he'll go three of 19 but he'll have those 13 assists, and no start to assist art. Just you know, like, I just gave me his for layups, there are no worth fucking passes across the court to a wide open dude, for three. You know what I mean? It's just, it's a different level of playmaking that you've seen from Tatum. And I feel like when it comes to the driving to the hoop, it's so much more controlled most of the time, and so much more. With, there's so much more purpose behind his drives than we used to see, you know what I mean, he used to see Jayson Tatum driving to the hole, almost begrudgingly, you know what I mean? You'd see him not be able to get that side. Step three, he'd make some stupid fucking move, and have just some crazy fucking layup. And then he pitch about the pitch about the contact. Exactly, exactly. And now it just feels like he knows he's longer, he knows he's more athletic. And he knows he can beat anyone off the fucking dribble. The only thing I wish that he would do a little less of is the it all goes back to that same thing. I'm trying to get that fucking call. Because sometimes I feel like his his go to is, he's gonna try and drive and he's gonna try and get that call if he's been shot down on the perimeter. And it's just, if he's not driving with that purpose with that athleticism that he knows he has. It's just so it's a different feeling you saw in game in game one specifically, where he would drive to the hole, they would collapse on him. And he is it's like he didn't know what to do. It's like he reverted back to 2017 Tatum first second pattern
Dave Clarke
I like I like when he what he looks like when he does that kind of Jerry, Jerry West dribble. He's a little tall to be doing it. But when he keeps the ball, he kind of goes left he goes right he keeps the ball right tight, and like long and out in front of them and then he just boom explodes up and I think that he looks like you know, he's got the logo look, you'll notice it. Now that I've said it to you he does it from the 45 degree angles from the basket. And I love those moves for him because I know what you're talking about, which is the straight shot to the basket moves where he just go he's just trying to get focus out yet. Re disagree.
Rayshawn Buchanan
No, I mean, no, I think that's that's spot on. I mean, this this is what you know, we've talked about him not needing to do is expecting a wing to call now we've also agreed, you know,
Rob Kelly
that's what's most annoying about it is he doesn't need to do that is what like every time he does that. I'm sitting there going, like,
Rayshawn Buchanan
you know
Rob Kelly
what? I agree. I agree. They do need to call it and I feel like it will get called eventually once he's more physically imposing and it looks like he's getting fouled more because right now he's not there yet but but he he agreed, man fuck that. But like he has he has that left moving as that right move. But when He just tries to go in and body dudes, it's like, I don't know if it's that he's not. He's not built out enough yet or what it is, but he's getting that call that we see other superstars get.
Dave Clarke
I know you mean, but if we're talking about things, they're never going to be an aspect of his game. We're never going to see Jayson Tatum consistently jumping up and down vertically underneath. basket offensively and I don't really want to see that to be honest with you, because that's a good way to get them fucking murdered. But I think what my point is, I think he can go from zero to 60 really fast across five yards. So I think that when he's already inside and it's and he gets a good switch and we're really good at switching offensively to you know what I mean? Like there's all this talk about how good we are at switching defensively and how much will switch in position this guarding in one through six and great rotations and superstars that guard and and all these great kind of complements that the Celtics get for making it this far and the way that they did it, but offensively we're really good at switching to and I really get frustrated with Tatum sometimes when he doesn't he's not more aggressive with his mismatches, don't you? I think there's there's times I mean, as much as van Gundy and Mark Jackson fucking pissed me off. Mark Jax has been banging this drum all fucking playoffs. He's like, You got that mismatch. You gotta be aggressive. You've got to dance. Yeah. Gotta go and you know Jaylen Brown is 10 million times better those situations the Jayson Tatum is it's right there the demonstration
Rob Kelly
chest Oh, step
Dave Clarke
Oh, steps on me to be on my highlight reel.
Rayshawn Buchanan
Right? I think so. And once again, it's like we have done this before, right? Because let me just say that was it. So what I would like to speak about too, right? So we saw it we saw with him in the fourth quarter, really the third or fourth quarter where he was when he gets to that mind was this book that I'm getting to the cup. There's no There's no body that's going to be in front of like wait, but it's like it's like okay, we got to unlock that. Like the first 45 minutes like we got to get to the point where it's like not just okay it's don't tie and I get it you want him to be at his best in the fourth quarter. I'm not I'm not knocking it but believe me but was it when he has that massive like yo Ime gives the basketball scare remember that game six I'm not going out like this like that. That's basically what he said we're doing that but yet I agree with you with JB the other guy that we haven't even spoken by him yet the guy everybody I'm about to say Maria was talking about Marcus smart like I just I like it he also had some people call him was like I'm taking him to the bubble cup. So it's like they all it really isn't getting the egg even though it's a trio, but brown brown is smarter say fuck it. I'm attacking every single time and Marcus feels he always has the advantage so he's which is good or bad thing.
Dave Clarke
If defensive stats in the series don't lie though. They speak for themselves.
Rayshawn Buchanan
Sure, but I'm a big fan fan but had two points to gain before I come back with 24
Rob Kelly
He was so bad in game two.
Rayshawn Buchanan
Yes, seven rebounds five assists again.
Dave Clarke
It's been true this has been true this team for five years. We're when we play really bad. It's when Mark is smart plays really bad
Rob Kelly
bro. I haven't seen Marcus smart play game so I'll follow this up obviously with a positive for Marcus but like I haven't seen him play game like you didn't game to it in literally like you just said five years man. He was he it was the worst basketball game I've seen him played a very everything he did was wrong. The bounce passes just everything. But game three man was such a personification and such a good summarization of who Marcus smart is as a fucking basketball player. It was it was it was like it was almost like you could literally sit there and take each play he made and base it off of like an old play from earlier in his career. He has the perfect summary of who he is because he played the most amazing defense. But Marcus smart literally went like four on one on a few possessions where he was switching off dudes. It was all marketers on defense. But those are the one thing I can't fucking get over man. Is those goddamn bounce passes. He needs to fucking stop doing no listen to throw it to MBA to press X Marcus All right. We don't we don't need you pressing circle and triangle every fucking time down the court. I'm sorry. I had to get off that off my chest because it kept me fucking crazy man.
Dave Clarke
You You talk a lot about Marcus smart being the quarterback of this team. I feel like Marcus was a quarterback he gets picked off by middle linebackers more than anybody else.
Rob Kelly
I feel like he's Jameis Winston as a quarterback I
Dave Clarke
don't know. I don't know about Oh.
Rob Kelly
With less neg Jameson, listen if he threw like 20 interest in talking
Dave Clarke
about the actual physical act of passing I think he misses the underneath guy a lot I think is his problem and I think that's why those bounce passes don't work because I think that yeah, you know I mean I just think he misses the guy that's gonna make the play from from from this isn't great radio but from here to here as opposed to seeing the guy that's going to make the play from here to here that's that's closer to the guy he's trying to pass the ball to. He misses that middle guy that's guarding him and and he sees the guy he sees the guy that's guarding him and sees the guy that's guarding the guy that he needs to get the ball to. And he misses the guy that's coming into that steel that's why JB Jimmy Butler fucking absolutely murdered him on those so much to that Miami series because he is peripherals on his passes are not great.
Rayshawn Buchanan
Well, it was wild though. He actually Their wraparound pass he's actually mastered
Dave Clarke
weight when he goes to the basket and he fucking which is my favorite.
Rayshawn Buchanan
He's mastered that like, yeah,
Dave Clarke
it's so good. It's
Rayshawn Buchanan
this was one of those lightweight you can make a fucking amazing pass like that every time. Yeah but then like you said the guy the guy that's right it's like the guy just the more simple play like that that that does that's what it had. Okay I get why you said to Jay was because Jay was looking at throws you like to do it you'll be like, Dude, you watch it, you are incredible. And then it's like, oh, you can't do a five yard out. Okay, whatever. But it's just like
Rob Kelly
what would happen if I was in game to where it was? I don't even know who was cutting toward towards it. Who but he had legitimately might have been me. He had four warriors around him. Right? And Marcus missed him by like fucking nine feet. It wasn't. It was one of the worst passes I've ever seen in my life. Yeah,
Rayshawn Buchanan
there wasn't there was a couple of those last night sooner to fess
Rob Kelly
up the most the most the most Marcus thing ever, is to follow all of that up with two of the biggest threes of our entire fucking life, bro. Know that that corner? Three, when we were what? I think we were up one or actually those words were head by one. And he hits that fucking corner three bro. And that, that sets him that's where the run. Right so that's Marcus. And that is that's what I mean. We saw the full spectrum of the fucking Marcus experience last night where I was sitting there like, god dammit markers, what the fuck? You get that like behind that? And fucking passed and shit. But then he hits that three and you're like, Listen, this is why this dude is the heart of our team. Because when he makes a play like that, that's why
Dave Clarke
you live in this volume. And I have to say, you know, just to just to finish on Marcus, because we're at an hour and I want to definitely get to preview in Friday game for the last few minutes we have. But just to finish up mark. As you know, at the end of the day, Marcus smarts probably taken this, he's probably had the second most huge shots throughout this playoff run. And that's only because Tatum had 60 massive shots in game six against Milwaukee. So you if that didn't happen, Marcus smart would happen with the most huge made shots of this whole career. Those two free throws against Miami, two corner threes or one elbow three and one corner three against Miami and that same game that like basically got us to win. Huge three point shot in game three against Golden State just the other night. These are huge shots this guy's making. And honestly, this is a facet of a championship team. This is a facet of it. They have a guy that you maybe wouldn't would you wouldn't least suspect but you would most medium suspect shooting huge shots. I know shooting percentages is dismally low. And I think if you're only doing advanced metrics, you would ask him to never shoot a three pointer ever again. But I think it I would love to be able to break down what a Marcus smart three pointer at a pivotal moment in a game shooting percentage looks like because honestly, I think it's in the 40s to 50s You know, huge round three point shots. I can't keep getting distracted by Marcus, we have to move on
Rob Kelly
top guy. It's, it's fine. Greg Craig loves us. All right. So you know what's funny, though, is is I feel like what what would it be an amazing podcast would be an analytics person and Marcus smart supporter just sitting there just talking back and forth because I feel like Marcus smart is the is the epitome of anti analytics where winning students offensively, offensively offensively, but but those shots that he does, it was we had a conversation where we saw Marcus shot 32% For was at the buck series, the buck series. I couldn't believe it sat there we were like oh my god, I can't believe that couldn't believe the shots that he does hit stick out so much more in your mind. And it's just like said it best. Marcus smart to me a big middle finger. And that's that's the way it is with most of the Chinese markets.
Dave Clarke
You gotta live with them. They're a weird fucking team. They have super high highs and super low lows. And I think that that is why this podcast has been split right down the middle on how we view them. I think that people with that lean a little bit more optimistic and their sports watching or like, but look at all the highs. And I think that people that, you know, worry a little bit more are going for look at all these glaring errors that honestly did they do exist. You know, we can't deny the fact that there's things that they do that are crazy. It's in and you're sitting there going Jesus Christ guys, like just don't keep doing that like, and they do it. So consistently. They do negative things. So consistently. So I want to get on to this preview, and I want to talk about what we do want to see from the Celtics and what we don't want to see from the Celtics. I'll start with Ray, do you think that we lose the third quarter in game four? Why or why not?
Rayshawn Buchanan
So I say yes. I just think it actually is going to be a ongoing theme. And I just I just think that you know, it's just something they're just going to be a part of it right. Now, you know, so And that, you know, Bobby has shared with the group. I think I had talked about it earlier too. He may call him out. Right? He, he was basically saying, When are you guys gonna stop playing like, like assholes. And it just it just speaks to how much respect He has commanded in that locker room. Right, obviously, you know, we got through this the spectrum of what happened with Brad and how things kind of went went south, but you know, for him to call him called him on that and that and that in that moment, and then turning it around is awesome, right. So hopefully that's something for you for years to come. But on the actual port I just think that if you attack them early, meaning you know of your tag gonna stay early. Obviously people are getting it voucher but help with the aggressiveness. Obviously, you're not going to do a lot of switching and not going to do the hand checking. They were doing like this on Matthews basketball, that handshake rule would no longer log no longer there, but they if you attack them early, the form was there. Let JB get hot. And then you know, let's hit him up. Whoever would take over but collectively you need three or four guys, they're gonna get at least 15 or more if not dinner servers will be tired. All but let's say they played exactly how to play the game through for the most part. They'll be going back to San Francisco with a three one lead.
Dave Clarke
Bobby, what do you think, is this? To me? This feels like the most important game of the series so far, you can make the point that every game every next game is the most important game of the series so far, but I think this might be hyperbolic. But I have a tendency to do this, especially when we've been talking about the Celtics for a few minutes.
Rob Kelly
US be hyperbolic about the Celtics.
Dave Clarke
Right? I genuinely believe that if we win game four,
Rob Kelly
that's it. What do you think? 100%. Because I feel like we're at the point now where, you know, you'll look across all of media right now you will across all of Twitter, you'll look everywhere. It's gonna take something different happening than what we've seen over three games. And I feel like three games is a very good sample size in the NBA Finals. You know, it'd be like when you watch basketball, you know, pretty much within you know, 24 to 45 minutes of gameplay like who is the actual better basketball team on the court. And I feel like when the Celtics play their game we've been saying this literally every single series so far, they are the better team top the bottom. So if if the word just can't come out, and take this game on the road, and force us to be to to going back to Golden State. It's just, it's a matter of inevitability. Like, do you really think that this Celtics team can be turned into a meme? Where it's like the Celtics blue three one lead against the words listen, I'm sorry. This isn't this isn't LeBron James and fucking Kyrie Irving coming out on the Warriors I'm sorry it's a different Stephen Curry. It's a Klay Thompson that you know had two bad games isn't look like yourself though. Hey, it's better in game three. He looked better to me.
Dave Clarke
I mean, overall, I think the luck is consistency and I think Clay was were just a lot more consistent when he was at his absolute best.
Rob Kelly
So like, if if if Draymond is not coming out there being an absolute fucking madness and getting in the Celtics heads and the Celtics are turning the ball over if literally if they do what Ray has been pleading with them to do for four straight series is play two three consistent games in a row. The Celtics can't be beaten by this warriors team and and I think we've no I know that's such a homer take but
Dave Clarke
like I do. I do think we're the better team. I think anybody that's been watching can tell you were the better team. If we
Rob Kelly
play a basketball game 60 minutes without having almost 20 turnovers without having just just inexplicable defensive lapses. The Celtics should win the series man. And like I don't I don't mean to be like that guy. Like, you know, it's disappointing. The Celtics are a better basketball team. I think they have a better coach. I think it's just top to bottom. Ooh, Celtics. The Celtics that is not provable. That's not It's not proved or not proved.
Dave Clarke
It makes the argument null and void right off the bat both they both have the same. Now not as coaches they don't know. They don't know. I'm
Rayshawn Buchanan
saying they came out of pop.
Rob Kelly
That's what I mean. Yeah, but they have the same they have the same I feel like what I love most about winners, you get off on it, Amy, you may not got the widow. We don't need to get off on a tangent on him. Craig will kill us. But it's just it's top to bottom. I feel like we're so much better than them. And if we come out and play our game, there's no fucking reason why we shouldn't be going back to school and save three one. If we're not, I guarantee you I'll be sitting here sticking up for them and I'll be telling Rayshawn We bless them they don't fuck we'll lose two in a row. Because it's true statement that always two in a row but I just you know what I mean, you look at you look at the games we've seen when the Celtics play their game man. And it's been the same for four straight series. They can't be beaten. And they're not going to back down from anyone, regardless of time or championships. If it's Kevin Durant, I'll find out when this team plays the basketball they're capable of they can't. And I can't believe we're here. But we're two fucking wins away from the championship. So let's fucking go baby. Go.
Dave Clarke
I think. I think that's a great place to wrap up. I fully am on board with the idea that that remember we sell remember,
Rob Kelly
we played in the parade? I'm sorry. Remember, we play in the game game too? Yeah, the heat, bro. We said they're gonna go down. We planned it. All right, right. Yeah,
Dave Clarke
let's go. I think that I think that the Celtics team is very capable of doing what they have not been able to do for this entire playoffs which is take the early opportunity to put a team away in a series I think that this is this game this context of the game or going into has been consistently the game we've been the worst at over the course of the playoffs. But I believe and I know you believe Bobby and it seems like Ray you believe now that they're capable of anything. Anything's possible. So just to finish up, I want nothing but a score prediction for game for Ray. One Oh, suddenly one or two Celtics dub? Yep. So, Bobby
Rob Kelly
110. I'm gonna like 92 I think we smoke them.
Rayshawn Buchanan
Okay,
Dave Clarke
cool. All right. I'm gonna go 142 to 122 Holy shame is my preferred name for 142
Rob Kelly
is an entertaining game of basketball we've ever seen. Yeah, because
Rayshawn Buchanan
we needed to go against that because you've been you've missed
Rob Kelly
out Yeah. We scored close to 147 points. DK. I'm saying 142. I'm sending you a fucking like prize package? I'll tell you why. Ship row 142 points.
Rayshawn Buchanan
I'll tell you why. I'll
Dave Clarke
tell you briefly why I think I think that this series is playoffs as a whole has delivered to the fans, the neutral to the team, to the fans of the teams watching. I think it's delivered on the drama. I think that if we win the next game, that the drama is over, I think then you're watching an inevitable death. It's the one samurai with one working hand just trying valiantly to win and the other samurai putting him away in an honorable fashion. But I think that this series in this playoffs as a whole has given us a lot and I think the last real thing it's going to give us as an offensive showcase by the Boston Celtics because I think I think we're due to be quite honest with you. So I hope it's true. I hope we're all right. I'm glad we're all positive. This is what happens when you never do a show after a loss for Rayshawn Buchanan for the real big Hey, Bob Kelly for our wonderful producer who's probably not super pleased with us at the moment because he has to get back to you know, whatever it is that he does on enemy websites. That's that's an insight. Right you wouldn't you wouldn't get it unless you were there. For myself DK sizzle, bleed green go CS can't wait to book my ticket to the parade. And I'll see you guys all there for our first in person hangout of the entirety of our podcast. Thank you guys for listening. Go seize goodnight