June 25, 2021

Boston Celtics Bring Back Al Horford | Ime Udoka Is The Next Celtics Head Coach | Check in On The Conference Finals | Carl Nassib is the First Active Gay NFL Player

Boston Celtics Bring Back Al Horford | Ime Udoka Is The Next Celtics Head Coach | Check in On The Conference Finals | Carl Nassib is the First Active Gay NFL Player

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On this episode: we’ll discuss 2 of the major moves the Boston Celtics have made in the past week, from trading Kemba Walker to Oklahoma City and reacquiring Al Horford, to the reported hiring of Ime Udoka to be the next Boston Celtics head coach.

We’ll also discuss the current standings of both the Eastern and Western Conference Finals, and we’ll also discuss Carl Nassib announcing that he is the first active player to announce that he is gay.

Hosts: Joe Malkin, Bob Kelly, Dave Clarke, Rayshawn Buchanan
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Transcript
Joe Malkin:

Welcome to missing the point, the only podcast left on the internet. Yep, you heard that right due to a very complicated malfunction at the world internet headquarters. Every other podcast has been deleted from the internet, even raisons other podcasts that he cheats on us with. So we're all you've got left. We hope you like sports and nonsense.

Dave Clarke:

don't check on that.

Joe Malkin:

Don't check on the other podcast. Yeah, just just do what everyone else does and blindly listen to talking heads and stick around for the sports go fill your trash bags with gasoline, and just stay right here. Today we have a great show and then what's rapidly becoming a rarity. As we book more and more outstanding guests like Bruins insider Kaylee Allard, who was with us earlier this week to wax lyrical about the fate of the bees. That link will be down in the show notes. But it's nice to be here with some of the original founding fathers of missing the point to talk sports. First up we have rayshawn joining us tonight rayshawn just back from Florida making him the most intelligent thing to come out of the state of Florida since NASA lost its last shuttle right hey Don,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

go man I'm ready to get going. Man this this is I've been waiting to have this show and talk about it's been a few weeks as I've been on so I'm ready to get cracking.

Joe Malkin:

That's because you were down in Florida with the dumb people. dk we

Unknown:

probably had

Rayshawn Buchanan:

DK sisal

Joe Malkin:

besides as well yeah if they were if they were a student of race they're gonna learn pretty quick to move it's

Dave Clarke:

okay that it's okay to save people in Florida are idiots were idiots so like you know, I'm we're not sitting here gone. Were the smartest people in the world. Come on in for Yeah,

Joe Malkin:

no.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Absolutely not.

Joe Malkin:

notice a lot of the Florida man stories have turned into Massachusetts man in Florida. So we're not much smarter. dk sizzle is here itching to talk about basketball. In fact, I think he's just suffering from a flare up of that thing that he caught from that motel six. That one that you went to Dave and he is itching in general. So

Dave Clarke:

it's regular, enchanting. It's not basketball talk. He it's my doctor doesn't know what it is. They think it's some sort of staff thing. I don't know. You know, it's getting that staff What the hell's wrong way? What's his staff bad?

Unknown:

Well, I'm just waste staff bad and why is that a bad one?

Joe Malkin:

staffs not good.

Dave Clarke:

It's Oh, strep. No, no, it was like strep throat. What was it? What did I know? I don't know. I couldn't think of one. Jeez, finally

Joe Malkin:

is the doctor. Hey, Bob Kelly. He's about to be someone's dad. And as we announced recently, as we announced recently, so I thought I'd hit him with some dad jokes. All right, Bobby, you ready? Don't laugh. My son asked me recently if I got a haircut. I told him I didn't. I got them all cut. Alright, last night, Bobby, nice. Did you know The original name for the umbrella was just brella. But the dude that named it hesitated. Wait, hang on. All right. No, you're right. Last one. Last one. Did you hear about the dad running around his his household and a screwdriver yelling This is not a drill. Welcome to missing the point. And tonight we're going to talk about the NBA because there's a lot to talk about in the NBA. And the first thing we're going to talk about is daddy. The first thing we're going to talk about his gM gM willikers. Brad Stevens, who is now the president of basketball operations for the Boston Celtics. And he made his first trade as the president of basketball operations. And I think he took some notes from the old black book of Danny Ainge with this one as he trades kemba Walker away. Actually, maybe he didn't, because based on this trade that he got done, involving Kemba, he probably would have got a deal done with Gordon Hayward. But that's besides the point. So let's take a look at this trade guys as the Boston Celtics trade away, Kemba Walker, who spent two seasons with the team that traded the 16th overall pick in this year's draft and a 2025 second rounder to Oklahoma City and get back Al Horford whose wife is one of Boston fans favorites Wags Moses Brown, who I think we're all excited about and a 2023 second round pick. Right What do you think?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I love the move. Honestly, um, you know, people forget, you know, people were upset about Horford leaving moreso than Kyrie in 2019. Um, I mean, I probably was maybe equal Lee upset about them both leaving but you know, Horford was a great character guy. Now, yes. Did he underperformed for someone that was getting a 112? Yes, we could. I think people thought he was going to come here again. 2010 but he only did it. He only did that a couple of years in Atlanta and it wasn't 2010 it was like 1009 summons in a nine. And you know, I mean, this is I mean, this is not a knock on him, but he really is a poor man's Tim Duncan, right. You know, he's quiet lights him You know, he just showed that you could pass it, you could do everything that Tim does, but just not at the level that Tim Duncan was doing it right. So, but anytime that you're, you know, sending the same brother Tim Duncan, you know, you should be given, you know, you should be okay with that, I should say, um, but yeah, I love it from a character standpoint. You know, he's someone that still stretches the floor for them. You know, obviously, you know, Tatum and brown respect him on the rest of the teams gonna respect them. So you know that that part's great, um, Moser Brown, as you as you said, in your in your opening statement, about the tradeshow lives man, they do had 21 to 23 against us earlier in the season. And he has some other games against Chicago and some other teams where he got 20 and 18. So it wasn't just, I guess it's up next on the guy seven, two. And, you know, you know, you can't you can't teach height, you just can't, you can't teach hustle, which is something he has, which is something that seam needs. So to get to get Horford back, you're basically given a 16th pick for Moses Brown. That's literally what happened. So overall, like the move, and I'm excited to see what both of them do. Now, today, here in Boston,

Joe Malkin:

they've adding on to the same question of what do you think of the trade and to build off of what rayshawn said, I want to add in a part to this of Do you think that the Boston Celtics organization and us as fans, overvalued kemba Walker, when he was signed?

Dave Clarke:

I mean, I think the organization did because you've always overvalued whoever's contract you're complaining about the most. And the contract we're complaining about the most as a fan base was Kemba's in the offseason, because we all came to the realization that we had absolutely no cap space. So we needed to move kemba Walker on that was like basically the only move that was going to maybe maybe smart also but moving cameras contract was a was a basically a necessity. It obviously wasn't working out. There was rumors of him not being satisfied with being tried to being shopped around. After the bubble playoffs. We know how Danny is with like weird injuries, like how he was with Isaiah Thomas, where it's like, he's just going to try and get an injury liability off the books as fast as possible. As far as when we got back I completely second everything Rayshawn said I think there's been an Al Horford shape hole in this in this team since he left, I think. Yeah, I was upset that he left but I rationalized it with like, well, we're not gonna pay him we'll fill it out. He's gonna pay him and I'm glad we didn't have to eat the contract that Philadelphia had to eat for owl because that would have sucked. We could have done a lot of the things we did you know, over the past few years if we were carrying like an aging al Horford when he when he goes into next season, like not the season we're coming into but when he goes into the following season, I think he has contract like does one of those weird NBA downgrades and we can all of a sudden, like have a shitload of cap space for Yeah, exactly. So like we can all of a sudden have a shitload of cap space for like, what is it better free agency than than the one we're coming into. So you know, overall, I give the grade I give the trader high grade for that reason. I'm also very up on Moses moon because as you know, I've been banging the fucking drum of trying to get a guy exactly like him for a good year. And I was devastated. I'm sure we all were. When we didn't get Myles Turner. I was angry at Danny Ainge, we didn't get Myles Turner when it turned out that he did get a little greedy with that trade. I think this is a straightforward trade I think it benefits both teams in different ways. And I think I'm just I am actually very happy with Moses brown because like Ray said he's seven too and he's he's all upside and his last game against the Clippers he had seven blocks. I know the Clippers were like resting guys but one game seven blocks like that's out absolutely out of this world. And if he's as good or even 75% as good as we think he is, you can move Rob Williams you can you can move them now. So you know all upside as far as I'm concerned. I hope they're not done. I hope there's more to do but yeah, all upside for me. Yeah, Bobby,

Joe Malkin:

you get back a known commodity here in Boston and Al Horford someone that we like who he apparently likes it here because that's really all he's been saying since he got traded back to Boston. And you get Moses Brown, who was born in 1999, which makes me feel really old. He's 21 years old. He went to UCLA and he's had a great start to his career and something I really like about him is that he is playing he played valuable minutes for OKC this season. And that means a lot coming from a guy that is seven to because we've seen a lot of big men that are over seven feet that have his build that do not last very long. Man preach

Rayshawn Buchanan:

priests. Melton preached our free

Dave Clarke:

will. And also like to add on to raise point though is and what we're making right now is if you go back and look at all the drafts, which I think we're going to do a little bit later, we talked about the six years if you go back and look at all the drafts the past like six, seven years There's like one or two guys that stand out after the 16th pick. So like if when you're trading the 16 pick like that's that's the 16 things a stash for to include with incentives with another deal. That's what that is like Donovan Mitchell was like the closest one I think of the last like six years, so that you're rarely gonna find an absolute gem. I think you know what you're getting with Moses Brown. And I think that that I think they turn that picking value.

Joe Malkin:

Yeah. So So Bobby, to that end, what how do you see this trade? from your standpoint, I think we've kind of beat beat this one to the ground. But bringing back al Horford and having Moses Brown. Now, you have a leader and you have a young guy, a big young guy. How do you feel about it?

Rob Kelly:

So So three specific points on this trait of why I love it. First is you see the quote about Brad from Brad as soon as he brought owl back in his owl played a critical role both on and off the court during his time in Boston. We're excited to welcome him and his family back his ability to elevate team, his teammates, and his experience in leadership make a great addition. So instantly, you have a guy coming in here last year, the one of the biggest problems we all saw was effort and defense, he automatically brings such a big presence on the defensive side of the ball and in the locker room. That alone makes it a great trade. But you look at the Celtics last year they were top 10 and isolations. And other things al Horford can do is he is a master from the top of the key with the bomb and he he's such a good passing big man. And to add that into our offense and taking away someone who's bald dependent. It brings the trade to another level for me like I really feel like Al Horford also has been stuck in basketball hell, for two years, man. We saw what happened with Blake Griffin. As soon as he got out of basketball how and went to the nets and was on a winning team again. It was Blake all over again. I absolutely see something coming like that from now this year. You know, and he just went from Philly, where he was in the worst possible situation for it. And then he goes to OKC where it's just garbage. They literally sat him down for the last month because they're like, wow, you're playing too well. We need to lose some goddamn games, bro. And Adam down. So like, elevating that to me. It just isn't a plus. I love it.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I mean, he definitely showed flashes of the ol still in OKC last year. Which that's encouraging to me could no sometimes you know, I think you know as he looked like an aging star and fell he just did. But it wasn't really good. He wasn't aging it was that they didn't know how to use him just to be played

Dave Clarke:

him. So that was such a bad basketball situation when they brought him that's that's pretty much the reason Elton brand they just signed in. So we couldn't have him, which is so cruel to the player. That's so shitty to the player to do that, you know, like that's

Rayshawn Buchanan:

saying, I mean, sure, but I mean, I'm not gonna sit here and cry about a man get $109 million.

Dave Clarke:

No, I know. You can say that about everything we talked about.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

No, I'm saying I'm saying in that regard, because it was like, Oh, you know, Philly was killing him. I'm

Dave Clarke:

glad he got paid. I'm

Rayshawn Buchanan:

glad he's Oh, no, I'm saying this is what Philippe's was saying before they sign him. Man, you know, oh, ours was or your Celtic fans over value every player on the team from afar. And as soon as I saw them all we got big avillez go done it. And then Phillies fans turn around very quickly. That's what they do. You know, they're competent fans too. But I said either way I did the trade. The trade was a win win on both sides. In my opinion. I didn't want to touch on a question that Joe asked though. I don't think we overvalued combos contract. I just think obviously it was a I mean, I guess I mean, hindsight is 2020 I guess you could say it was a you know, as I put it, Eric was a pending move. By Danny age. Um, you know, you couldn't lose, you know, Kyrie and Horford and not get some type of Max player in here. And kemba Walker just happened to be the best guy available. Not just from a talent standpoint, but also from a character standpoint. So he came in as a character guy, you know, and we were excited, right? We talked about man, you know, we got we got four guys coming in playing for USA, they're going to get the chemistry together, which is something they didn't have in the 2018 2019 year. You know, I saw that they had that right away, right. And then I say kemba was also his first year here. We forget that right? Because what happened with the pandemic, Campbell was an all star. Yes, he shouldn't have played in Chicago, we get that for the all star game, maybe just to play maybe five or six minutes, and then sit down but he was still an all star. He was still you know, playing very well, next to the James. But as I said his health is went south very quickly. Right. So that's what happened. But Celtics fans as you listen to this, I want you to hear me Dave, Joe. And Bobby Clearly, we were not going to have a Gordon Hayward 2.0 situation South experience. And if you think so you're out of your mind. We're not going to have that situation again, where we're going to keep holding on just see what you can do and see what you can do and see what you can do. And then he leaves out the year three or whatever. Whatever situation Maybe so they weren't they weren't but they got something for Canva Brad Brad did a good job with that. It's cool cuz he was always had that much money. They save $9 million. Yeah. What are we talking about like that? That's That's a lot of money.

Joe Malkin:

Sure. And that's what we're going to talk about now. Because one thing to add to what you said is that the Boston Celtics fan base is the most forgiving fan base, probably in most of the NBA at least for the big market teams and it's definitely the most forgiving in the city of Boston.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, I don't know about that. Yeah.

Joe Malkin:

I think they're absolutely

Rob Kelly:

fans like me. Yes, we're the most forgiving fan base in the world. But there's also a whole Celtics Twitter out there that Twitter is savage like there's nothing that can be done right to Celtics, Twitter, even even Ime Udoka, I saw people trashing that that hiring, which we'll get to, but like there's nothing that people can do right.

Joe Malkin:

Let's talk about the salary cap because al Horford comes in his his salary for next year is 27 million however, only 14 and a half of that is guaranteed 19 and a half. If they get to the NBA Finals The next year, and then in 2020 2023 hit what's left is fully guaranteed if the team wins the NBA championship now. That was as part of his contract with OKC. So guys looking looking at this and Ray mentioned that we saved nine we I say we the Celtics save $9 million or open up $9 million of cap space. With that they get their big man they bring in Al Horford who we've said you know, he's not going to be the third of a big three with Tatum and brown. What about al Horford is a six man though I

Dave Clarke:

think that's what he gives me a man of the year.

Joe Malkin:

Well, Dave, I'll throw this question towards you, because I know you've wanted them to sign back Evan Fournier. And so let's talk about some moves some out moves that they have to make, and I'm not talking about who they're going to bring in but who else can they take off this roster or ship away? to open up more space and who would you be comfortable with shipping off?

Dave Clarke:

So I was so I wanted to not take the Evan Fournier contract before we made the trade because it's like I think 16 million but it's only for it's only it's only a one year right it's it's a one year like option or whatever the we inherited for him. So now I'm thinking to myself like I think we can we might actually be able to compete and I think that we actually have to shot more pieces. So I think the the reason I want Evan Fournier is and I know everybody I mean talking about Celtics Twitter, it's the fucking The room is split on every foreigner I understand this is a this is a you got to be careful with this position because people will feel very strongly one way or the other. But I think with the makeup of what I'm picturing the team could be going into next season, even though I know we're we're lining up for a big free agent signing two seasons from now like that seems to be the clear plan, which I'm totally cool with. They've abandoned the idea of like finding a gem in the draft, which is I'm totally cool with that. Like we did. We got our draft pieces. We got Jaylen, and we got we got Jayson, those are the two draft picks. You got to build around. You gotta go find somebody in the free agency market. I think they should shot Marcus smart. I know it's a sin to say that in Boston, but I've been saying it to you guys for weeks. And I think they should shop Rob Williams while he still has value. There are some notable free agents also that you can continue to build this season like Alonzo ball type, but I think he's actually going to demand higher money than we should probably sensibly pay. It's in a dream world. I think it'd be great to have Lonzo ball, run the point but I've been maintaining that this set of wins doesn't play as well with a guard as it does with a good play making big man and I think we're gonna see that because they learned without Horford their first season's together without Horford in the way that they stretch the floor the way that they move waiting on a guard to get open or and or make space or drive like the way cammo played and then trying to dish to them is not the way that they play. They need the ball for more clock time to play inside out. They play inside out they need but they need the ball for more content than that and that's a lot of what didn't work. I think you'll you'll as much as Al Horford might be not the same al Horford, you'll see a lot of those connections that come back up and then you can start to build from there then you can go and get cheaper guards. We've had sheep we've had a cheap frontcourt for the past few seasons. And like the signings of of Tristan Thompson and stuff is just it's not you know, it's like I've ever seen those means where it's like, oh, the the couch I ordered the couch that came from wish calm and it's like this is what it had in the picture. It's like if you have like a Tim Duncan in the picture, but then it's like, all blurry, and then you unblock it and it's like, oh, it's Tristan Thompson. God he's terrible games. I I know that it like on the offensive boards. He was going against Brooklyn, which was strange that Milwaukee didn't take even more advantage of that after we showed them how easy it was to do but that's a completely different conversation. But um, Al's obviously that guy now you got to get rid of Tristan, I think. So, basically, overall, to answer your question the way that we should shop and changes I think we should cheap in the front with the back court in favor the front court, we should build around the two pieces that we just got traded in. That'd be my preference. I don't want to overspend on Lonzo ball, even though I would love to have him. I think you could have Payton Pritchard play point guard. I know that's crazy, cuz he's so young, but like, fuck it. You know what I mean? Like, next year is not like a championship run.

Joe Malkin:

Let's play off of that right now. So again, we're not talking about what they're going to bring in. Because let's not speculate, because we'll, we'll get into why we don't want to speculate because we were completely off on the head coach. So let's, let's go with it. I did mention him again. Let's go into the salaries of the two guys that you just mentioned Marcus smart. And Rob Williams. That's a little over $14 million. Right there. Just between those two guys. Marcus smart is making 12 nine, Rob Williams is making 2.02 9 million. Tristan Thompson is 9.2 if you can, and I'm with you. On market smart though, it seems taboo to say let's get rid of market smart because Brad loves market smart. Danny loves Marcus smart. So let's see what Ime Udokawants to do with smart. I think that that's part of the reason. Well, we'll get into that. But I'll just tease it by saying I think that's part of the reason why the Celtics jumped at hiring the head coach the first of the seven franchises that didn't have a head coach, I think that's part of the reason why they jumped at it to give him enough time to evaluate the players, whether it's personal or on on the court to to give him an idea of what they have because Payton Pritchard can probably play the point at the end he's making $2 million so

Dave Clarke:

I know I know I know I was the one that said it about Payton Pritchard pressure but I actually don't really think that

Rob Kelly:

before before we get off the topic though Bobby wanted to see some of our time Lord because I know we're gonna move on to coach so so one thing with Time Lord is I've been saying this for a while to you guys is listen I know this sounds like upon waiting to happen but listen the time to move on from Time Lord is right now I'm just saying because this dude is the most injury prone senator I've seen from injury prone we made up a new word for him that's how injury prone he really knows the injury prunes if you don't move on spends too much

Joe Malkin:

time in the ice bath

Rayshawn Buchanan:

pretty much injury prone

Rob Kelly:

what's up so if you don't move on from this dude right now, like this is the time and if you're ever kind of get value for Robert Williams is right now because he is one turf toe away from missing another 50 for gays always

Dave Clarke:

injuries like that. And honestly, like it is always injuries like that. It's not like oh, I tore his ACL it's like, Ah, he's like, his kneecap hurts. Kind

Rob Kelly:

he has Yeah, he has a strained knee you're like bro, what might be kind of like so it's just a matter of time, before he loses every significant value. Who

Dave Clarke:

do you agree with me that it's redundant to keep him? Because I saw you have a reaction? Who said that? Is it redundant to keep them now that we have Moses Brown? Do they do the same thing except for inexplicably Rob Williams is like six nine.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

But I mean, it's I think it was definitely was Time Lord assurance. And I think that's what that's what Bradley was was thinking about. I mean, Brian is saying from the jump that, you know, hey, you know, we're trying to mentor time or as mentors and, you know, just making sure that you know, he's healthy as possible when we need them to be near him to give his best, when as best as required. But

Rob Kelly:

how long can we do that? You know what I mean? How long can we be like, oh, we're making sure

Rayshawn Buchanan:

he's healthy? Well, it's just like, I mean, what I saw in game one know, when he had nine blocks, it's like, that's what keeps people like and like, you know, like us entices like, Oh, my God, like, This man got live blocks. And

Dave Clarke:

Robert Williams the ceiling. We've been talking about it for years at this point. A great fantasy,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

right actually keep people engaged when it comes to him. But like you say, Yeah, you got to sell high. Right, but I mean to have Thompson, you know, Thompson, Tom Lord, you know, Horford, and I mean, I don't know I think I keep recording it or they keep record it now, but I don't think so.

Dave Clarke:

They don't have to write they can

Rayshawn Buchanan:

write Yeah, exactly. But yeah, exactly. So it's just like, I don't know, what they're going to do. I mean, to me, I think they need to kind of play you know, do like a you know, like a platoon system. I feel like you got to keep all awesome guys there. Um, the only thing only because you're gonna miss game. So you to me you Have to keep them in there in order to like, Okay, if you know Rob's gonna miss 15 to 20 that Okay, that's an awful restart if Horford needs to rest on the back to back because they're not going to plan more than 30 minutes, that extra time, Lord, I swear, I swear sometimes to get started. So, you know, you need each of those guys because, like, I think scouts had it on on on one of the I think one of the early edition shows Horford at this stage and even Ron Williams did not do nothing with a bead. Not Not Not right now. That doesn't happen if you faced they've been in the playoffs.

Dave Clarke:

There's Yeah, there's two these is going to be too much for both of them. Yeah. That's not how you beat the Sixers anyway, right? There's a lot of different ways.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

True, true. But it's just like you know, he's he's he seemed to figure it out. This was what I'm saying. So

Dave Clarke:

but to that point to that point, right. And like to also back to Joe's question, like what you know, the ins and outs of the offseason everybody's in this mode in this mindset, not us because we're like, you know, way ahead of the curve as as we are here talking about sports on a podcast, wildly wildly popular podcast, we're you know, we don't have to do it right away. It's It's It's the twitterverse that wants you to do it right away you got all the way up until the trade deadline to see how guys are doing like What's he doing? How's he you know going on? Yes, I agree that we don't want to like lose Robert Williams is valuable. I would argue that you could actually create value with Robert Williams based on what you're saying right where it's like you could actually shop him as a really good regular season player knowing that like you can't use them in the fucking postseason because NBC is gonna eat them alive and so is he honest? So you're just like I like shop window huh? Look how good he is and the regular season we kept them healthy and

Rob Kelly:

you kept especially if you meant yeah if you manage his minutes and and keep them at that high level for a significant amount of time I completely see what you're saying get

Dave Clarke:

get Marcus smarts like three point percentage up to where we know it can be before it inevitably slumps back down because of like, ludicrous isolation plays. It's like, Look, look, it's three point percentage is improved. You guys want them because we know we know deep down they're not the guys. So real, real quick about Marcus and before I have the question.

Rob Kelly:

You think so as much as I would love to move on from Marcus because I'm sick of all of it. putting him in a different situation where he is responsible as a point guard and isn't going to be put in a situation to have these heat checks as much as he does. Do you do think that I just watching him play basketball these years. I feel like he has the basketball intelligence and ability to change who he is as a player. If If a coach puts him in that situation, it's like listen, you're a starting point guard. Your job isn't to shoot anymore.

Dave Clarke:

This is the other half of Celtics Twitter that we were talking to Marcus Marcus smart can do anything.

Rob Kelly:

So what do you guys agree with? That's my question.

Dave Clarke:

It's such an ugly offense. It's such an ugly offense. If you do that. It's it doesn't look good.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I'll answer that though. And then let's move on. But um, we've seen that though. We've seen him when he's been just starting point guard I think a couple of years ago when they had a tumultuous season without losing in Milwaukee. When they put smartapp starting lineup, and they were like 10 to 10 they went in a row because he was the guy handling the ball not carried they was on fire because it was like okay,

Dave Clarke:

mitigate. Hey,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

hey Tatum Tatum you get here? Brown you're here. How are you? I like he knows how to marshawn when he needs to. It just it doesn't happen enough. But he's by far the most famous on the team he's pleased by far is it's not even close. But Tatum brown got to get there. That's the thing. It's not a market smart thing. I

Dave Clarke:

think you saw flashes. I think you saw flashes of Jason Tatum becoming the best playmaker on the team. But yes,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

right but I'm right that's a but it can no longer be flashes, it has to be something where we see it on a on a nightly basis. So I'll leave it at that. So Joe can move on to the next one.

Dave Clarke:

I don't like the idea amateur smart. Get the point. I really don't. But that's just me.

Joe Malkin:

One thing. One thing we've learned here in Boston over the last couple seasons is that you do in fact need a coach in the NBA. And up until today the Celtics didn't have one for a couple weeks. And and now they have one around the NBA. And I know that we have in our show notes here and talking about Rick Carlisle ending up going to Indiana, and we'll talk about that as well. Chauncey Billups and Becky Hammon had second interviews with the Portland Trailblazers, and some other coaches are being looked at elsewhere. Not too much talk about Sam Cosell, who we all kind of had, as are one of our top two or three candidates to come here to Boston. So they made the hiring. They announced it on the 23rd of June. And it's Ime Udoka who is up until up until this season was an assistant with the Brooklyn Nets. He spent a year with Philadelphia and he spent seven years with San Antonio. So He's got a lot of years of of assistant experience, which is something that we talked about when it came to Chauncey Billups and then we looked at Sam Cosell and how many years he had had as an assistant, and there was rumors going around that they wanted a head coach that had head coach experience. They go with one who doesn't. And here's a little bit about Ime Udoka, who is a very interesting candidate, and an interesting hire. He's 43 years old. He's from Portland, Oregon. He's American and Nigerian descent. And he went to the University of San Francisco and Portland State University. He came out of college in 2000. Went undrafted, he played Wikipedia let's talk about how he was Greg Popovich is fun disciple. That's what we're gonna we're gonna shoot. We're going to grade school. We're gonna get there. He played he played eight seasons in the NBA, including for three excuse me for Gregg Popovich. So now Dave, stepping all over my intro to what is one thing? I don't know, because I was gonna start talking about him being a grandpa, what's his favorite candy bar here? You're here. You're just stepping all over my intro to it. She's Well, I hope he doesn't do this to to to Brad Stevens when he's up top talking about what players to bring in. So Ime Udoka, a disciple of Gregg Popovich, one, one of the two disciples of Gregg Popovich that could have been head coaches of the Boston Celtics. But, Dave, what do you think of the hiring Have you made of Ime Udoka

Dave Clarke:

whoever Gregg Popovich wants to send our way I'll take he's the, in my opinion, best head coach in the history of basketball. I think the reason that Greg province has been great province, his teams are good were because of Mitch, I think he was a great talent. I had a great eye for talent, but he could also do a lot with a little. And that makes me think he knows a lot of shit about the game of basketball. So if you work for him, I think that you are probably a pretty smart guy. He also doesn't seem to suffer fools, Gregg Popovich, he doesn't really seem to keep idiots around very long. And I think like if you're not going to work for this guy for that long. I think that's awesome. So he's young, like you said, He's 43. So we got a good young GM head coach relationship, fresh blood. And I think players are gonna want to come to play for him. And I think the biggest thing is that we got him because Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum and Marcus wanted them because they played under him in that America plays basketball with countries that don't tournament that they did, so that they are going to like them, they're going to like and respect them. So they're going to do what the fuck he says, which has been a problem for the past 12 months. So I think it's a great hire. I think it's it's, you know, despite his lack of experience, I think I think he's a high value prospect in the coaching world in the NBA, and I think, I think is a great hire, I'm happy to.

Joe Malkin:

Right. What are your thoughts on the hiring Ime Udoka?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I'm definitely had mixed mixed feelings. Um, I think from a, from a culture standpoint, it makes sense. They took go saying, you know, our fact you know, you know, out of seven coaches out of the black, you know, for them around, you know, still in the playoffs, and, you know, so clearly you mess up exam, right to have an African American coach in, you know, at the helm, so, we'll get it out to where I have my reservations off. So I have another positive shout out shout out to the fact that he's with me alone. She's, she's beautiful. But as far as the the reservations, I have, um, you know, Pop Pop is the Belichick check of, of the NBA. And you can't name a disciple of him. That's done well. Like that doesn't necessarily mean he was Oh, so let me let me finish this. Quiz. cider hasn't got what everybody hasn't got. So commerce final. I'm Brett Brown. hasn't gone to a conference final. button. hoser has lost in conference. Yeah, so that's right. So so it's like you got him. Mike Brown. Excuse me, got swept in the NBA Finals. So it's like, these guys don't produce usually now. Okay. Are we hoping for him to be a Brian Flores? Hopefully, that'd be great. But we don't know that right now. So, um, it's awesome that he got to hire us again. He paid his dues he was using since the course for nine years. Yes, I think most of us wanted to sell out that we all talked about it. But less than nine years he paid his dues on I said he was the bottom of the barrel type play. What is someone that was a star

Joe Malkin:

would usually make for better coaches anyway.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, exactly. So I think that's where it is, you know, Do you see the game differently? Um, you know, he's able to relate the guy so I'll Harford during this presser. As you know, as we record this on a Wednesday, you know, he talked about how, um, you know, you know, you don't do he commands respect, right. And, you know, I was joking with someone about, you know, this, you know, a numerology type thing. So, obviously, we're looking for Ben 18. You Joker's that he is coaching in an AI history. So, to me, it's time, it's time. So, you know, from so so I felt this register. This is a Bobby type line. So I'm just gonna say it I'm sure you agree. So I think when we when we win the title, it goes from butuh to Endoca.

Dave Clarke:

That's the name about the past 10 years. Oh, I love it. Yes, you're right. The stars are aligning that matters. You just see the stars align over a coaching choice. And also very impressive that you went from mixed feelings. I don't know none of those guys to like, welcome to the era. Welcome Now,

Joe Malkin:

what's interesting, what's interesting about your comparison to to between Popovich and Belichick is that you mentioned all the these disciples of of pop that went on and they haven't done anything and same thing with Bella check. Sure. But here's the difference. I'll give you one guy, Mike rabl, who is doing well, arguably better than Brian Flores now?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

He did well,

Joe Malkin:

but he played under him. He didn't coach. Sure. So dhoka dhoka played under Popovich. So that's where I'm gonna go with that. I'm gonna say he did.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I mean, no, I mean, I want I want to be wrong. I'll just say, you know, but we'll see. We'll see what happens.

Joe Malkin:

let's get let's get it. So two things I want to bring up and one's kind of poking fun at Jay Williams. And one is taking. One is taking a serious a serious asking a serious question. But first, let's let's talk about Jay Williams. Because this kind of gets back into the I'm just saying at the black and white of sports in the black and white of our society right now is that Jay Williams comes out and says, He tweets out which I don't even want to get into the tweet that he is what happened here. So Jay Williams, Jay Jay Williams, responded to loges tweet about the Celtics hiring udoka. And he said the first head coach of color for the Celtics, and then a black fist emoji, and even more important Doc Rivers. He's one talented individual. So right so you talk about Jay Williams. Now now to me. And Ray, you can follow this up to me this is this is someone just jumping on an opportunity, thinking they're doing something right. We see this all the time. We see it on social media everywhere where people are taking these stances and thinking they're doing something so I want to read you this excerpt from Boston calm, which the column is writes who doca is not the first head coach of color for the Celtics in 1966, Bill Russell was promoted to player coach becoming the first black head coach of an NBA team. Russell won a pair of titles in 1968 and 69. j Williams not have Google. Tom sack Sanders coach the team in 1978. Casey Jones won two titles as well in 84 and 86, under friend of the show Jen Volk, as the general manager, ml car coached from 1995 to 1997. ml Carr was also part of that front office with Jan Falcone at Doc Rivers spread spend 2004 to 2013 Boston and led the Celtics to 2008 title, making doca, the sixth black head coach in the history of the Boston Celtics and the 18th overall. So right, go Go ahead.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Oh, so it must It must be that Duke education right

Rob Kelly:

wait to make it worse to get out. Can I add something on to that to make it worse? Not only did he do that, but then he also decided to put out another tweet, saying that it wasn't his dad, he didn't make a mistake. Twitter account got hacked and posted a fact. Instead of something horrible on Twitter, they just posted a wrong fact.

Dave Clarke:

Nobody believes my trip my Twitter account. Nobody believes that my Twitter account got hacked thing anymore. You can't use them. It's like the dog ate my homework. It's just

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I don't know. I mean, I tweeted something about it yesterday. I said yo, it's just it's really it's ridiculous that He even went this route. But this is where and I'm talking about Sean, Sean kings of the world. Now they got to play for example, on top of the one that thinks that he's he's a new black guy, but I'm mostly gonna get we're gonna we're not gonna get political tonight. I'm gonna chill To me, it's just like, bro, like, you have to know that like, once again, Jay, he was born in the 80s. And my guy wasn't like you was, you know, you're just new millennial and they know that they didn't have a coach before that like and even then, once again, Dave said it best. Google is your friend, sir. Like, how do you how do you not know once again? And my my thing is you you've been a part especially when I've talked about this Bill Russell, it talked about Sanders. It talks about Mr. Carlyle talking about especially Casey Jones because he was able to

Dave Clarke:

dunk rivers with just a second ago.

Unknown:

Rivers was just a championship.

Joe Malkin:

Brad Stevens replaced a black coach,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

right? Exactly right date, right?

Dave Clarke:

You don't even need Google, you just need to have been watching basketball for twice.

Rob Kelly:

You shouldn't even need Google you should just need like a TV

Joe Malkin:

to know. Bobby not to stray away from sports. But this is this is what happens when what I said in the open where people blindly listen to Talking Heads. They don't actually do their own looking up in their own research to see they just hear what Kyrie Irving said three weeks ago,

Dave Clarke:

what was the over under on Joe mentioned in Kyrie Irving I feel like we feel like it's the over. You did good this time. That took a

Joe Malkin:

while. But right Right, so I'm gonna go to Ray here but like we we look at the situation. And it really is just someone hearing something and thinking that that's what it is that he's automatically because Boston which we've we talked about this on a previous show, the Boston was painted in a very racist light, which it is a race. It has a history of issues and race race relations, the 1971 busing issue, that there's so many problems in the city, that our teams we've had players in the past, Kyrie Irving talking about Boston the way he did, he's not the first one to do that Barry Bonds refuse to come and play for Boston, there was a choice story which I'm still mad at the city of Boston, or at least the fans that were that we're attacking Tor. I mean, Torii Hunter is one of the nicest guys in the world and he is an incredible player. So what do you anyway besides before getting into that, so this isn't a new issue, but it's one that seems to be rehashed re and it's one that seems to not erase history, but people forget about the history whether good or bad.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Right, but but it's this is not what the Celtics like. Chuck Cooper was the first black player and guess who Guess who drafted him this Celtics in 1950, like Red Auerbach put on the best product. It didn't matter if he was black, white, Latino, Asian, it didn't matter. If you could play yo ash was gonna be on the court. And those dusty sub tailors, they were playing it like you were going to be out there playing if you if you produced. That's what he did. There's a reason why I said his success was tied to bill to Bill Russell, which is why you say, Hey, listen, I'm done. I'm gonna step down and you take over. Yeah, you're the man. You're the reason why that we've had success. And it's funny, though, Russell also went to USF as well, he went to University of San Francisco as well, one national title there too. So it all it all comes back together. Right. But, um, it's crazy, though, like saying, Jay Jay Williams. And it's not just this plenty of Jay Williams out there, um, who just want to, you know, keep inciting about what the city does and doesn't do. Listen, the Jim rice stuff is very real. The Adams own stuff was very real stuff. But yeah, but diverse stuff is very real. But once again, um, and I said this on another segment I did on a different show, but Carrie urban did not experience what those guys experienced here. I'm sorry. Like the worst thing he says what happened at the end of that game? Which is someone throwing water? Right? Yeah, of course. Of course not. Right. Yeah. That was ridiculous. So I'm glad like that person got taken care of, but you don't. You don't come in here and say, Hey, you know, I'm gonna stay here for another year. And this is the place you can stand. Because that's, that's BS. Come on, come on. Hey, he's, he's, he's he's saying like, I said, I don't wanna keep rehashing it. But he said, I can tell you didn't want to get booed. That's all it was. It wasn't about Oh, like you made a you made a semi true statement, just so you could get the heat off you but it's like, yo, come on, come on.

Rob Kelly:

He had been he had been putting that off for a year and a half to so it's not like something

Rayshawn Buchanan:

here but he could have just kept burning the sage and sit your wives down. But

Joe Malkin:

but that's the point. Thinking is why why wait a year and a half till you're playing the Celtics in the playoffs and not say it when you walk out the door. He refused to play in the garden before COVID happened and he would not play in the garden and then all of a sudden he comes back with and he starts up this whole new storyline. Like he hasn't been in the building. He hasn't been in the building because he made those decisions not to play in front of the fans. By And then didn't have a choice what had happened in the playoffs, but he can play in the preseason in the regular season at the beginning of the 2020 2021 season, because nobody was allowed in the building. So he didn't give a shit then, but then all of a sudden, he's got to take the heat off himself. So yeah, like, you're absolutely right. Right, right. He brought up something that was that's true, not not false statements, but also something he didn't experience. The most experience he had was something that one of them experienced was when he sat down with Bill Russell and Bill Russell told him exactly what happened and to his home, which is still a travesty and the people that that

Dave Clarke:

can I just actually if we're gonna go back to the dog can I do one Kyrie thing I think we give Kyrie entirely too much fucking bandwidth in the city of Boston like it's if that was your girlfriend and you guys broke up and you got and we all talk this much about the fucking girl that like left us they people will be like that's fucking sad. You need to get over it. It's over the counter he's gone he's he shouldn't be able to get a rise out of us like he was able to get out of us as as a fan base we should be like Kyrie we're bigger with the Boston Celtics are bigger than Kyrie Irving. Every time he can get us, you get get in the headlines about talking about the city of Boston and I agree that it's dumb and wrong. And I agree that what Jay Williams said was dumb and wrong. But anytime he can get in the headlines talking about us stomping on lucky getting us all riled up collectively as a fan base, we need to appreciate that the Celtics are huge. And Kyrie Irving is tiny, and we need to just get he's living rent free in our heads, you guys. We got to get him out. We got to get him out.

Joe Malkin:

Can I write I wanna I want to ask you a question and kind of transcended sports and race and some of these things. But do you we Dave just mentioned it mentioned Kyrie stepping on on the logo lucky, the leprechaun at center court at the garden. Do you feel as though taking out the history of the Celtics? Because I think I know what your answer is going to be here because of how you just went through the history of the Celtics very eloquently. You you are a teacher of the youth and you do understand how to look at things critically. Do you think that the Boston Celtics having a white mascot is is I don't want to say racist but do you think that that's a problem?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

When originally whenever we got Oh u 17. championship No, no, right? Listen, this is our city and not to stay with David. Oh, Jesus. This is our city. This is our team. It wasn't a shot I gotta go back to Sean kinka disasters he just dump this this is our This is our team to show Okay, just because I'm black doesn't mean I don't identify with this. I don't think there's anybody on the show that identify with this others as me more than anybody else. Like I love this stuff this morning any of the Boston team hands down and then even close that the reason I ask is because if you look at the reason why teams are named what they are right and we could do a whole show on mascots and wide teams.

Joe Malkin:

Right? If you I mean, if if you look at the Boston Celtics it's an it's an Irish Dave would know better than me. But it's a it's it's from Ireland and the Muslim

Dave Clarke:

mascots warrior such an Irish people that it is the fucking black people. No, absolutely. Right. So if I was gonna speak on it at all. I will say this though, I will say this in more practical terms, like whatever about the fucking mascot. You know, nobody in Boston is gonna listen to people talk about the fucking mascot, but it's a good point to bring up because I am actually kind of glad we didn't hire a white coach. Only because I just if I was working in the, in the PR department at the Boston Celtics, that'd be like, Look, Jalen Brown, very active in his community, you know, very vocal about his feelings about you know, police brutality but you know, very, very open and, and and speaks very intelligently on the subject and like has become kind of a an icon in the activist community as far as like basketball players go. He says, I would like basically in no uncertain terms, I would like a black man coaching the Boston Celtics. Also, carry says that shit about Boston. We know why he says it as much as you are. I know that it's not true, because Ray makes a very good point that inside the Celtics organization has never proved to be in any way racist or bias against black players agree. But it's very easy in like the public eye to draw a parallel from the city of Boston to the Boston Celtics to say and say it sucks. It sucks that plan there because people are racist. And you and I and Joe and bommies were Celtics fans go like, here's the billion reasons why that's stupid. But the vast majority of NBA fans are going to go like oh yeah, I think Boston is kind of racist and then just forget about it and not think about it anymore because you only need to make points and tiny 180 character trade

Rayshawn Buchanan:

never been outside the four walls they've got to talk about it's been fun. That's ridiculous. That's all fine.

Dave Clarke:

I understand that. It's not that it's not right. But it's the case. So it's it is what it is that people are like that that's just like how fucking people are I know that they're wrong. But there's a reason to reset it because he can. He can draw that parallel, he can affect that similarity in people's minds that aren't going to give it as much thought, as you and I would. Right. So I, for me, I was like, just for optics, I think you should give get go get the best man for the job or woman for the job. Of course, I'd like yes, no problem. But just on the artistic side, I was like, please don't bring a fucking white guy under the white under the white jam. So under the white GM with this shit that's being talked about in the media right now, with the mascot shit. Some people might bring up like, it's just not a good look. That's all I'm saying.

Joe Malkin:

So, so, but Dave mentioned. And this is Dave mentioned, brown like Jalen Brown. If he if he goes to management and says, Hey, I really like a black coach. There. There are reports that have come out in the Boston media and nationwide that the Boston Celtics players who are predominantly black the roster is a majority of them are black, have said that they did not connect with Brad Stevens. They didn't connect with the Midwestern light guy. What a surprise. So that they they would be more comfortable with a black head coach. So they went out and did that. Now, Dave, to go off your point about talking about the best person for the job of the only white person on the list of people that were the best, quote unquote, for the job was Becky Hammon. So I think that either way they were going to go out and get Becky Hammon Kara Lawson Sam Cosell, he may have dhoka Chauncey Billups that's what they were gonna go and do. And maybe he isn't the best guy for the job. But we don't know that we won't find out but

Dave Clarke:

because they think he is they hired and

Joe Malkin:

they have Right, exactly. And that's what matters most. Right. And he's a pop disciple, which we all love. So Bobby, what are your thoughts on Ime Udoka? .

Rob Kelly:

So I just think he is the best man for the job. Like when you look through his coaching experience like it I know that the valued head coaching experience, but I don't think it was just head coaching experience they valued I think they valued just straight coaching experience and being able to connect to these players, to a point where Listen, this dude was on was hired by Brooklyn, Steve Nash went to Brooklyn, and within the first two days of being there, brought this doodad because he's like, I want to do it got to connect with the ramp with harden with Kyrie and just brought a different atmosphere to that team. So I love this hire. Especially because of the fact I have to point out, he was in Philly for one goddamn season. And it was like, You know what, guys? I need to get the fuck about So to me, that jack just sounds like a smart basketball man to me because he saw the dumpster fire before it happened, left them to go to this Brooklyn team barring injury. We're walking to the NBA Finals. So it's just it's such a good hire to me. And I think to what he brought the level, the level of playmaking we saw from K d this year. I think that's something that we're going to look at with Tatum moving forward as a good joke as a guided reading there.

Joe Malkin:

So he Ime Udoka hired as the new Boston Celtics head coach. And as Bobby just alluded to the team that he came from, with the Brooklyn Nets. And I agree with you, Bobby, I think that he is going to get the best out of Jason Tatum. I honestly think he's going to get the best out of everybody. Because as Ray and Dave, we all really said it during the season. Brad style doesn't get the best out of each individual player. Brad style was a very team oriented style. And you couldn't really let those guys fall out as much as they should be allowed to and you're probably going to get that with with Nokia style because he did come from Brooklyn, and he has come from playing and coaching in San Antonio, but the team that he just came from the Brooklyn Nets are out of the playoffs. I called it I just I have to throw it out on on on the podcast. I called it I said that Kyrie would get hurt and the Nets would be out. Now granted, I have Finishing out of the playoffs.

Dave Clarke:

He said Kyrie would fuck up the chemistry? That's not what happened.

Joe Malkin:

No, I said I said he would get hurt. I didn't say that.

Dave Clarke:

Have you predict that? He rolled his ankle? Because He always gets hurt. When? Is he injury prone now? Oh, yes. So

Joe Malkin:

I don't think he's injury prone. I just think it just it happens anyway.

Rob Kelly:

Hey, Laurie, that lower body man is it breaking down? 2015

Rayshawn Buchanan:

he gets hurt in game one, right? Um, in you know, he comes here to Boston plays 50 some odd games, you know, has NCAA, you know, he has knee surgery to end this season here in Boston. I'm early in his career, you know, hurts his face. You know, he has to wear a mask on breaks his wrist and Cleveland like he's he's had injuries all over it like you're playing operational But this man like it's ridiculous. So he's definitely injury prone. Now was he motivated? Sure. He was definitely motivated, um, and a motivated carry was a scary carry, because he made Kady look really good together, and I think of those two guys were healthy, then it definitely would have been a different outcome. Um, but like I said, Milwaukee has today did just enough. Kevin de Ray had a masterful series. A couple of masterful performances that we'll never forget. Um, I was super super hurt to see Jeff Green on a plane like this going on my Whoa, damn. Where the hell was this when he was in Boston now? Yeah, no, but still, but I mean, but yeah, but I mean, still, but the one to one game was was phenomenal. It was one more one than what he did here in Boston in the playoffs. So, um, yeah, I was I was hurt. I was hurt to see that honestly. But yeah, man. I mean, listen, man. Milwaukee just survived, you know, um, and that that's just what it was. And, you know, um, yeah, you

Dave Clarke:

either meters away from losing that series? Like less? Oh, yeah.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah. I mean, that literally, if he if he if his shoe size is different, you know, who knows what would have happened, but

Dave Clarke:

if the eight year old that made the shoe use like a slight Right, right.

Joe Malkin:

Right, you know, Dave, alluding to the sweatshops in China? Yes.

Dave Clarke:

And Indonesia. Other places, Joe? Not Indonesia, Taiwan, whatever.

Joe Malkin:

Yeah, no. So now alright. So before it before we go off on that tangent, because we could all have our opinions on that nonsense. And I say non

Unknown:

negative. Like,

Joe Malkin:

I feel like that nonsense.

Dave Clarke:

The child labor

Rob Kelly:

companies are like, the bottom line is the bottom line. You know what I mean? Like?

Joe Malkin:

Take that site just to see if he got he absolutely would but let's get back on the show out of context, Bobby. God, oh my God. So is it is them getting bounced on the playoffs? Because they were plagued by injuries? Do they have deeper issues? Does and then, you know, does Harden's injuries explain his numbers? So three questions for you. There.

Rob Kelly:

I go. So, I have to speak up on hard lesson. I was the first man to trash him from day one. I I did not want him here. I didn't want anything to do with him. The slack that he caught for his game seven performance to me is unfair. I know it wasn't the best performance ever. But listen, this dude was playing on one leg, and he was playing significant minutes on one leg. And when you look at people who go well then he shouldn't have played what the hell else did they have? He he didn't have a choice. When you look at what that team actually had. After losing Dinwiddie they had no bench and but when I say no bench, I mean they legitimately did not score a bench point in that game seven. Isn't that isn't that a fact? Not one bench point. So like, Who else are you going to put in this In this situation, you're gonna put Joe Harris who cut his three point percentage from 50 to 22. In the playoffs, I just didn't see a significant upgrade over even a five for 17. James Harden was going to give you better minutes then then the Joe Harris we saw in those last two games, or the Jeff Green we saw in those last two games, it just, I just thought like, Listen, yes, the dude's not 100% he's definitely not James Harden that we saw earlier. And yes, it does bring back parallels to him blowing those Houston series. But to me just had a such a different feeling. Right, right. I know the look on your face me

Rayshawn Buchanan:

know, you just want to get your own point at the end there. You just you just said and Brian brings up what he did in Houston for 17 something he did anyways, he's done. He's done this when it's mattered. And yes, now I gave him credit for game five was a very gutsy performance and play 42 minutes, you know, coming back basically cold turkey, and they only have 5.6 assess, and like a rebounds like that, that to me. His game five before was was much better than the game seven, right? Because I felt like the play 42 right away was just crazy. I'm 22 nine and nine is not awful. But once again, when you're tournesol from three and then your, your your five or seven seen from from the from the field overall. That is a problem. And you know, and once again, this is all Steve Nash, right. We had we had a huge argument about Steve Nash early on on the show on that, you know, we've also put that back into Sundance as well, but um, he was handpicked by Steve nazjatar expose wouldn't matter y'all Steve Nash God expose you cannot play guys.

Dave Clarke:

I'm sorry. It's

Rayshawn Buchanan:

okay. I mean, I wasn't finished the point though, but it's like this is the thing he played you can't play 42 minutes 48 and 53 you got it you got to spell you got to spot guys minute so Mike James who they signed late in the year my James has been hoping for them came up coming over Europe you're not telling me can't give you eight to 10 minutes even if it is a score, but just to give guys a break where they could come back into fourth and then do something like my James Tyler Johnson there's guys on the deck and again in the five to seven minutes I'm not saying you have to come in here and hold the lead and go of 15 that wasn't happening so Harris yeah Joe Harris like Larry Bird against us I get it um and he he faded away on you know cooking at midnight and on on in the second round I get that however, you have to find minister rest guys you cannot play guys 4950 minutes and don't expect him to still have gas when it matters. That's not happening

Rob Kelly:

anymore on heart. He is more on Nash and heart.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yes, I saw Nash but but but yeah, but even but even we're hard. Like once again, we've seen five or 17 whether he's been healthy or not. That's all I'm saying. Once again, he's been great. He's been gracious he got to Brooklyn, and I won't I won't shy away from that because I'm the one that said he should have been here me and Dave agreed on that. Um, but this is this is something we've seen so this this is not something was like oh my god, I can't believe that that type of performance happened because we saw it happen

Dave Clarke:

so many mitigating circumstances though it's like Jared Allen goes down to start of the season so that like folks up your depth

Rayshawn Buchanan:

when you trade them.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, but he they traded him because he was going to be fucking done right? Like he got a bad injury to me. I thought well, whatever it doesn't matter Jared Allen goes right. I think that screws every depth Steve Nash comes in and he goes like okay, I need I'm probably going to get a year to make these to you know, get these three guys playing well, and he does it in like three months. He has them fucking cookin as like the best offense in the entire NBA in like three months and like we gave rightly gave him credit for it. How does it make sense that Kyrie Irving your star point guard goes down and James Harden plane out is playing on one leg? How is all of a sudden Steve Nash's fault they had? Nobody. They had nobody to play like what else was he supposed to do? But what would you have done instead?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I mean, I just I just said it like you you have to give guys eight to 10 minutes I'm sorry. I'm not gonna run out just hit the ground and you say well Damn, well, we didn't have

Dave Clarke:

the whole thing about the heart and injury was that he needed to play on it because it gets really tight. That was the whole thing they were like you got to give that injury more minutes if he's gonna play you might as well play 40 minutes that's where all the Health Science guys are saying

Rayshawn Buchanan:

so so 40 minutes 40 minutes. Okay, good man play 53 in the final 53

Joe Malkin:

Well, yeah, but it's not his fault. They went into overtime. I mean, no,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

but I'm saying you don't tell me you can't give us man one or two. And you give them the heating pad on the side. They gotta come on man. He's got to forget that let's come on

Dave Clarke:

man. Steve Nash's like I was a great player. So now I look at this guy's like I would have played

Rayshawn Buchanan:

right so yes, yes I'm glad you went that they could I agree with you on that point there Steve Nash was still coaching like a player and that's what cost them you can't be out the wall Hey, you just got us Yeah, he's got to be a one off he was called I don't

Dave Clarke:

know if that's what custom because we just talked about how he was a half a centimeter away from burying a cave he was putting on a fucking his you're

Rayshawn Buchanan:

not running guys into the ground fellas. Y'all know this. I'm not I'm not going against me on this. Like you cannot run out into the ground. That's what happened. You have to rest guys. You can't do that. In basketball. You can't do that. I'm

Dave Clarke:

sorry. I'm going against you putting the responsibility of the Brooklyn Nets losing on Steven When we just went through talking about how we were a centimeter away from kg hidden a ludicrous circus shot turned around three pointer were a centimeter away from him sending a team that on paper at that point should be beating the shit out of them that have fucking Yanis and fucking all these other all these other pieces all 100% healthy and they should be winning on paper and they almost got him out how is that Steve Nash this fall? I don't understand. He played he coached a great offense all

Joe Malkin:

season who said that harden was running to the ground?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

No, I'm saying hard to make mainly Kevin Durant not not hard. I'm saying million. Katie. You need a kidney to step up. You know, no, no, I know. I'm not disputing that. But what I'm saying is if there's a difference between the two he had to try it again and 109 right. And then when I went over that overtime shot he was aghast as hell right or wrong. That was okay.

Dave Clarke:

You can't gameplan think you're gonna go into it. That's ridiculous. You can't go well what if we go to

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Oh, it's before this before then it's before then goes on about what happened after this revisionist history. You have to find out what happened after No, no, but I'm saying that because he got gases when I'm saying you're not listening to me.

Joe Malkin:

If you sit them for eight to hang on, if you sit them for six to eight minutes, let's say six to eight minutes, not even that not even that long if you give them four to six minutes, two to three minutes fine. What happens in those two to three minutes that turns that game around and you're lucky with the score? No, Joe? Maybe but but maybe that was because Duran was on the floor.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I mean, he wasn't defending now at that point. I agree. I agree with you. I agree with you Joe. No. Basket remember the only school it was going back and forth

Dave Clarke:

Milwaukee or Brooklyn?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Oh, I'm I'm sorry. I can't remember who scored but God yo Joe.

Joe Malkin:

We are talking about revisionist history in Dave's defense you did bring it up so but that's but that's the point that's all we can do is talk about revisionist history because it is in the past and the buckle on the series and they've moved on

Rayshawn Buchanan:

no I'm like that regardless though it's got to give guys rest that's where I'm at. It's not about Revision History regardless you got to give guys rest I'm not running guys into the ground. It doesn't matter who it is

Rob Kelly:

one last revisionist history that last shot man i know i know Katie is a freaking ager. I know but but that shot man was the most mind boggling cagey shot I've ever played broke down and i know i know but listen play breaks down Katie You're the best at the rim I've ever seen just

Dave Clarke:

hit that exact same shot I

Rob Kelly:

know I put your doubt you're down to yep you are down to and there is no time left on the go

Rayshawn Buchanan:

but i don't i don't i don't have an issue with that shotgun at that moment. You don't have to end the game you have to end the game again

Rob Kelly:

if Tatum puts that shot I got maybe

Rayshawn Buchanan:

a day one day with a customer

Dave Clarke:

we know he's not kidding right yet he's not Kevin Durant earned the right to shoot

Joe Malkin:

Alright, here we go so we're gonna do this and it doesn't it doesn't matter who you are in sports the the biggest thing about it is is that there everybody if you're basically what I'm hearing there Bobby's you think that that was a bad shot selection it's a bad shot right it should have sent them no either and Ronald acuna Jr. For the Atlanta Braves the other night forgot that there was one out and got doubled off first base off

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I saw that Yikes. Yeah.

Joe Malkin:

So I mean, we're talking about athletes that are at the top of their game that are in a high pressure situation and we all talked about how KD was kind of the guy right he had to stand step up because Kyrie was out

Dave Clarke:

there that he was gassed and that's why that shot looked the way it is. But I just don't think you can go like I don't even go like oh, I better sit Kevin Duran for a few minutes. And like

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Joe said, I'm no 60 minutes that's a joke. That's what the hell am I doing that but to just told you three ways, okay. I'm gonna give her 30 seconds. He's

Dave Clarke:

like, no, no minutes. There was like no minutes in that in that whole series after Kyrie went down. It was like no minutes in that whole series after Kyrie went down where KD wasn't the most productive player on the floor. There was not one single minute that passed where he played where he was not the most fucking productive player on the floor. So you can't bench him. You just can't not in crunch time,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

so I felt like I felt I know, I felt like that in game five. I felt that in game five. Like I'm like, yo, he has to play cuz Milwaukee was up 16 like, he's just

Dave Clarke:

saying like, oh, we're going ot fuckin Brooklyn's got this.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I don't know for sure. I'm guessing game stuff. I'm saying game five. I agree with you like a five. They needed his nap. They all saw it. He needed it. Fine. 47 from 4970 to 10. I'm with you. I'm just saying that and that game seven Will you know, you're gonna have to you have to find stuff. You have to find stuff.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, here's what I was thinking they shouldn't have. He was gonna rest him at all. He should have fuckin bench everybody for game six from the start and not let them on the phone for the day. That series was going to seven and I thought it was it was like a thing. Just everybody gets rest. Everybody gets rest and then they win game seven. Hands down. Good one bedroom by 21

Rayshawn Buchanan:

by 20.5 they should have

Rob Kelly:

they should have in game six threes a game six but like let's say if we hit our three

Dave Clarke:

bags by play that game that we used to play in gym class we can only take two steps and then you then you can throw it playing basketball for all of game six nobody run.

Joe Malkin:

So now that so now that so now at the Brooklyn Nets are out of the playoffs, the NBA, the NBA semifinals, the boxing hawks and the clippers and sons. But three of the best players in the NBA

Dave Clarke:

arguably the three best players in the NBA, James Harden, Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant are now out what does that do for the NBA? In your mind if all your fucking Green Team years with your fuckin anti Kyrie chance and I was trying to tell you that the playoffs would suck if the fucking nets got bounced out? Right I don't include you in this but everybody else everybody's like foot Kyrie nexty to lose and the playoffs in the East are shit now that fuckin the Bucs Hawk series is not interesting because you know the Bucs are gonna lose because they like basically got lucky in the last series. I mean, I guess the Trey young stuff is interesting like it's cool that he's better than we all thought and he's like pretty much elite now. If he can keep it up maybe the Bucks are just not that good. I don't know I'm just saying we lost three stars in the playoffs. That sucks. That sucks. I know everyone hates Kyrie but like it makes the playoffs worse.

Rob Kelly:

I have a counterpoint to that is that the Atlanta Hawks are one of the funnest basketball teams I've maybe ever played the bugs dude I just watched a whole series of the bugs are so miserable ever since big melon took that team over though that team is just so fun man and and to see Trey young DK, you said it in the chat earlier. It really is shades of early Korean man that's that's what he looks like. When he's confident in shooting like he is a quarter of his team play Duran and Kyrie and harden up both facts. That's true. That would have been amazing. All right. That's true. But to see a dude like regardless of who is playing to see a dude evolve from the score on a bad team who who puts up points because he has to to I'ma put this team on my goddamn back and shimmy in your face before before I hit a big time three is just man it's basketball porn to me I love watching Trey young play. I've loved him since Oklahoma. I picked them to go to the Final Four he disappointed the shit out of me so like I've always had this mantra of like Trey young man he's great but like you can't do it when when it matters but that last game man was it was special to watch I love what

Rayshawn Buchanan:

yeah he was great he was great I'm I'm a fan you know I'm I have a joke of my friend Brandon we haven't part of our we have a new death row and we have we have we have trading as a part of that trading is phenomenal um he was special last night he's been special all playoffs on nine that line of like oh just because LeBron other guys are out that oh my oh my god players ruin No way. This is parody being shown. It's not an automatic victory could nothing in the NBA is absolute. The only year has been like that is when when Duran first ones are going to stay and everyone knew that Golden State was winning. Other than that, it's not a guarantee that you're going to win a championship just because you're healthy. I just I can't get with that. Um, I don't agree with that. I should say um, I love what Trey young is doing. I love what Devin Booker is doing. Chris Paul's I believe was coming back tonight for game three so that I'm excited to see that and honestly I think this is a great story um you know the Clippers being down oh two every round but what they are now Can they make a comeback? I want to see if they can right so there's still other storylines there. And you know I mean far as Jamie Miller goes, we talked about him once again early on in the podcast too right? Um, you know about coaches getting raw deals right and he was someone that got a raw deal and in Indiana right now I know Joe's gonna bring up the Carlisle thing in a minute but you know I'm McMillan was was doing this thing in Indiana. That was that was perennial four or five season east. No, it's I'm just like it goes from that and he goes there you don't ever day remove avoid pears. We're staying guy even though he's a brother. I'm glad and Hi, Lloyd pears I might have like, Oh, my I didn't want to tell them what to say. But I would have been I would have had a nice rant on Twitter. If they hire Lloyd Pierce, the only person who acknowledges Paul Pierce. And I'm sorry that that's just that I'm sorry about that. But um, yeah, just don't tell me your story live up to this playoffs and I've been entertained to say the least. And I'm excited to see what this what this what this lesson plans are gonna be. So

Joe Malkin:

that was gonna be my point is that you still have trail, you still have Yiannis? You still have Paul George. Chris Paul. It's kind of it's kind of a George. George thing. But it's a fun story. Because he was

Dave Clarke:

a fucking free throws the other night. He's like,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I can't I can't leave. He missed that though. I can't believe I hit him. No, he did. Just hit a big shot he just had a big shot and then I'm like damn

Dave Clarke:

that's the that's the thing about Paul George's they'll have like a decent game and then he'll fuck it up hilariously

Joe Malkin:

but that's what's fun about what the 14 left

Dave Clarke:

I know I want him is I agree with you I want him to stay in the playoffs because I love when closure is in the playoffs because you get so many funny jokes happen when you call it the workplace playoff games it's hilarious

Joe Malkin:

so going going with that narrative and how Dave talks about the Bucs we know that Dave thinks that the Hawks and the sons are going to meet in the NBA Finals Bobby and Ray Who do you think is going to the finals? Hoxton sounds

Rob Kelly:

that's that's that's what I want that's that's 100% the series I want to see. Yeah,

Dave Clarke:

let's just see point guards play against each other like

Rob Kelly:

bro I love fucking point guards you know I love point guards

Dave Clarke:

yeah but we you get in trouble when you fuck point guards though Bobby so I know you love fucking point guards but you got to stop. Well, you know

Rob Kelly:

Shawn? Yeah,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

yeah, um, I mean, I obviously I think finished going to the finals and I think that I just want to be Milwaukee and Phoenix. I just felt like that's what's gonna happen on the NBA neons to get there like it's not traded time yet. Like it yeah Yanis is the guy he's back to back MVPs um you know he's the guy they need to see in this

Dave Clarke:

condition a little bit in your eyes watching him play with Duran on the same court seven games in a row

Rayshawn Buchanan:

a little because it was just like I mean I like how I like I like how we respond to it though and in game six and seven now as Middleton dad that's been pissing me off because Middleton you know you know to get paid the money he gets paid and he can track it on and on but he constantly comes up small playing next to be honest it's like bro if you gave 25 a night like you can no walk you would move walk to the finals oh my god they will move operation I'm planning on watching the finals but they don't

Joe Malkin:

play well reason why he has that contract.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

way but you know, you know it should have been 178 job it gave him maybe

Joe Malkin:

it doesn't matter right? How do you how do you think how do you think the Milwaukee Bucks are gonna keep you honest and tenant Kupo in Milwaukee they're gonna pay whoever he wants to pay and they're gonna keep his brother on the roster.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

No, but he's but he's not the normal he's not the new day starter where people think like I think that he's someone that would have signed in the walkie regardless as he did he resigned and once again most people are not walking from Georgia $47 million let's make that clear.

Joe Malkin:

I wouldn't walk from $247

Rayshawn Buchanan:

right you feel me so that that's what it is? Oh, that's what that's what it really is first and foremost. And then once again hit me Yeah, I think MMC came in No, no, no se got drafted to get before so I mean, they they essentially grew up together in the league. I get it. Um, but I mean, I get it. People are not moonwalking and kind of my out to Miami to Milwaukee with a moonwalk in Miami but they move Walker to Milwaukee either. the only the only person they moonwalking to see up there is Aaron Rodgers on Monday. You know, we all know what that situation is going up there. But yeah, man, I don't know. Um, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, definitely. And john, is that we took a step back, I agree with you. Okay.

Rob Kelly:

So I have a question about yada yada So, Middleton to me. I don't know if it's just me. I feel like he's not the right player to play with the autos. I feel like Yanis needs a sharpshooter. And if you had a guy who was shooting 50% from three like a Joe Harris or like not Joe Harris bad example.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

He was he was there though. He was in Milwaukee that's the funny part.

Rob Kelly:

So but I'm just saying like if there was like you know what I mean? I don't even want to say Steph Curry but like a Trey young as his as his sidekick. Or like someone who shot like that. I feel like it would be so much better than Chris Middleton. I can't think of someone else talking

Rayshawn Buchanan:

on an all star game. That's That's why he's playing with stuff. He He wants to go there.

Rob Kelly:

I just don't think a slasher is the right guy to play with the artist because he already is a slasher in his own yard.

Dave Clarke:

You know what I mean? Quick in and out like he's not super quick. Yeah, like Kevin Duran can be

Rayshawn Buchanan:

where he's like, uses No, no one knows Kevin Durant. But I mean,

Dave Clarke:

I understand but I it's like it's that's the kind of guy that can play with anybody. Like you need to. I see Bobby's point. If we're talking shit about the Milwaukee Bucks though. Dude, abortion a fucking basketball that was PJ Tucker running around for seven games against the fucking Brooklyn Nets. Like, I was like, I was taking fucking crazy polders every day. I was waking up as Dude, I would wake up every day the next day to the media being like that PJ Tucker hook gutsy performance against Kevin Durant. I'd be like he put up two points and kemadrin hung like 49 on hit like what the fuck are you talking about? Like PJ Tucker, would he look like exactly exactly like I would look fast for a professional basketball game and I'm

Rayshawn Buchanan:

just like, I'm gonna keep up. I'm gonna keep up. But the reason why people are saying that and I agree. Why they said it was a gutsy. See, this is my thing. Right? And this is back to john is right, y'all. If you ordered the FIFA Player of the Year right you got to be on camera during even if it's even if it's BBQ chicken alert all day which is gonna be it's gonna be barbecue chicken he's gonna be on the grill you know you get someone else who may be ready sauce on it I get it you're you got you gotta get Kevin right now just wants to buy a man listen yeah it is it's great phenomenal but you got you got you got to guard that man I'm sorry you got to

Joe Malkin:

you got to I wanted to be the boxing the sons because I think Phoenix against Milwaukee just has NBA like record breaking numbers TV numbers written all over it plus the Bucks have Andover Massachusetts all night. I like to drop him in at any show. I can pack content. Yeah. For former Notre Dame Fighting Irish man. Yeah, we we want to get Hey, the message has been sent. But you know. So now that we've we've talked about the NBA and I we're unfortunately not going to get to the 70 sixers part, Dave, I think we're gonna, we're gonna put that off till the next show when surprised. I mean, you wrote the whole write up. So you did a good job, we got to just, I figured that we wouldn't get to it. It's fine. But one of the one of the biggest things that's been going on in sports is the defensive lineman from the Las Vegas Raiders. Carl nassib. We're totally switching gears from the NBA here. Karl Nassif of the Vegas Raiders came out as gay. offered support from teammates and coaches and different personnel from around the sports world different day, the outpouring of support for Carl nassib has been amazing. And just I since we won't play the video on the podcast, I do want to read the transcript of what he said, I loved this video, I loved his message. And it was kind of funny how he started it. He's like, hey, so wanted to take a moment to say I'm gay. And it was just like it was so casual the way he said it. So starts off, I just want to take a moment to say I'm gay. I just think that representation and visibility is so important. I actually hope that videos like this one day are not necessary. But until then I'm going to do my best in my part to cultivate a culture that's accepting and that's compassionate. Then he added that he would be donating $100,000 to the Trevor Project, a non profit group that focuses on suicide prevention efforts among lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans, transgender, queer and questioning youth. And he said, sadly, I've agonized over this moment for the last 15 years, something that no one should have to deal with. And I loved the line that he said, and a lot of people don't say a lot of celebrities don't say this when they do come out is that I hope videos and announcements like this don't have to be made in the future. And that it's just accepted. And it doesn't matter who you who you are, sexually, but who you are as a person. And for someone to have to agonize over that for 15 years is something that shouldn't shouldn't be happening. So, guys, what does this mean for the league? Carl? nassib? Do we think he'll face hate speech from from other players, from coaches from fans? What do we think's gonna happen?

Dave Clarke:

I mean, I think I think it's, I think it's generationally, I think that the NFL has grown up a lot. I think the kids that are playing in the NFL now, like, you know, they're younger than us. And I feel like we were pretty, like accepting generation for the most part, like maybe that's part maybe that's just bias where we grew up, but I feel like it was never an issue for me for like my friends to like, you know, interact with gay people or lesbians or whatever and or like play sports with them. So I would think the kids now like they're even younger than us like they're in their early 20s. And like they've had the internet and iPads the entire time. And they know not to be like dumb bigots for no reason. I hope for the most part. I would say the ones that probably do have a problem with it at this point. I mean, I don't know the numbers, but I would say it's probably in the vast minority. And I think I was I think I was just surprised it was football, to be honest with you. I think that like the sort of culture around football was the last sport I was expecting to like, have the first openly gay active player. Um, you know, just be the first one I think it's, if I'm if I'm Goodell, I think it's great PR to be honest with you, because like, usually you get the opposite kind of PR from the National Football League. You know, the whole stuff with Colin Kaepernick And like every idiot in in every stadium being like Buddhists or country or whatever dumb shit they're doing about like him taking uni and completely missing the point. Ah but yeah, I hope not Jesus I fuckin hope nobody like says any horrific hate speech to him like just play the damn game

Joe Malkin:

so so not to not to mince words, but this is one thing that's been going on and I've seen all over social media, whether it's Twitter or whatever is that all housing the first game player in the NFL Michael,

Dave Clarke:

there's definitely been tons of them.

Joe Malkin:

So first of all, first of all, when we talk about Michael Sam, he never made a roster. Secondly, Carl nassib has been in the NFL since 2016, when he played with the Cleveland Browns for two seasons and spent two years with Tampa Bay, and then played last year and is with the Las Vegas Raiders. At this point, this guy is an all American Lombardi award winner, Ted Hendricks award winner, big 10 Defensive Player of the Year in 2015, first team all big 10. I did. He's He's a dude. And he's a great football player. And he plays his position well, and was a big part of a good Cleveland Browns defense back in the years of 2016 2017. So that to mince those words real quick. And Dave, as you were saying about the generation, it's funny, and then also saying about he's definitely not the first one. When this announcement came out from Carl NASA. Warren moon took to Twitter and was like, I played with guys that were gay. And we're just afraid to say anything because of the nature of the game of football because of the masculine masculinity of the game of American football. And yeah, I'm kind of surprised to but at the same time, I'm not because it we kind of saw it coming. Right. Like Not, not from him. But I mean, like, with with Michael Sam, and we've heard other players kind of with rumbling. So for Warren moon to come out and say, and Warren Warren Moon is pretty big in the NFL in a lot of NFL circles. So that was that was great to hear from from somebody that's such a great player yet and just

Rob Kelly:

speak more about the generational thing. I really do think that that's a big piece of this too, because I was I don't know about you guys. But whenever I had a friend come out to me growing up, it was always just kind of like, Well, yeah, yeah,

Joe Malkin:

I knew. Thanks for letting me know, right? We've

Rob Kelly:

known that for a long time, dude. And it's like, come on, man. Like, it's not something I feel like it is getting to a point where it's like, it's not something you're gonna have to bring up anymore. And that that is where I do think we're heading. And NASA said it the best part. It's like, dude, we really don't even need like, you coming out? Yes, that's a great story. I love it. And I'm happy that you know, he has that off his chest. The world knows about it now. But like, in no way does that change who he is as a person who is a football player or anything like that? And I do think that like going through comments on Facebook? Yes, there was a lot of shitty ones there always. But But like, Don't do that to yourself. 70 to 80% of them were like,

Joe Malkin:

very positive,

Rob Kelly:

like not even like a who, who cares in a bad way. But like, Who cares? You know what I mean? Like, who cares? You're a good football player, go keep playing football. And I just thought it's such a cool transition to see. Because 10 years ago, just do comes out, bro, it would have been, it would have been a whole different world. So we evolved a lot recently, to the point where like, this isn't even a big deal anymore.

Joe Malkin:

Something I've always said is that at the end of the day, these guys are doing a job if you're getting paid to play a professional sport, you're doing a job. And I have worked with work with people who are not straight. And at the end of the day, it doesn't matter right do your job. If you can do your job, I don't care what you do.

Rob Kelly:

Listen, I have so some of my best friends don't even identify with a gender and it's like that's that's completely does not change who you are as a person at all it just because you know what I mean? It doesn't change it at all.

Joe Malkin:

Bobby identifies as a Dallas Cowboys fan like that's

Dave Clarke:

which is that's how you know it's not a choice. That's a really good way to know that it's not a choice. That's how you're born that way.

Joe Malkin:

That was something we wanted to bring up on on the show here and kind of bring light to Carl NASA first to active NFL player to come out as gay. In a video that I just loved. The video is just so casual. And I know for him that wasn't casual like

Dave Clarke:

but that was that I think was part of the theme of what he was saying to where he was like hey, this is what it is like hopefully it can be the norm to just be like I'm gay and it's like not really a big deal plus it's Pride Month. So I just thought it was cool to be like like yeah, celebrate you know LGBTQ people. But also if you if you're addict to him for coming out during Pride Month it like adds to it it's like you're even being an even bigger dick now Dan it's like you're hurting everyone now like Don't be an asshole. Yeah.

Joe Malkin:

Yeah. No, it's really cool and at the end of the day we all have bigger things in our own lives to worry about what someone else does with their own so good for Carl NASA.

Dave Clarke:

And it we shouldn't have to say this but like don't hate gay people

Joe Malkin:

don't hate anybody I just like Bobby Bobby and I know we're kind of going to the social

Dave Clarke:

login Hey PJ Tucker, man. I don't know.

Joe Malkin:

That's fine. I really hate Kyrie Irving lives in my head. It's fine, guys. It happens. You can dislike people but like, I don't just like PJ Tucker. Jon Gruden. I love john.

Dave Clarke:

He was nice. He was nice about the whole thing to actually said some nice things. I'll give him credit.

Joe Malkin:

Yeah, well, he's getting a lot of support and from from the coaching staff and the team and everyone around the league in the sports world. So and if people have a problem with it, that's that's their own problem. And then he's just gonna go out and do his job and be good at it because he is good at it. So your job? Well, guys, that'll do it for missing the point. We talked a lot of basketball brought up Carl nassib and his announcement to the sports world and I think we can all say, you know, Ime Udoka Welcome to Boston. We're excited to see what happens. Welcome back. Al Horford and Moses Brown. Welcome to Boston as well.

Dave Clarke:

Welcome back. Anam Horford Don't forget

Joe Malkin:

Oh, yeah, Anna Horford? Definitely in Harvard.

Rob Kelly:

At one point Gk did call Moses brown Moses Malone. I fucking Wish

Joe Malkin:

I thought call him out on it. But anyway, for her ratio. Um, you can Dave Clark, Bob Kelly. I am like my people go. We appreciate you. Joining us on missing the point. We'll talk to you next time.