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Sept. 30, 2022

Boston Celtics chasing normalcy after a turbulent offseason

Boston Celtics chasing normalcy after a turbulent offseason

The Celtics seemed eager to put the offseason behind them after the chaos surrounding the suspension of  Ime Udoka that dominated the headlines the past week. 

Marcus Smart, Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, and Al Horford all seemed to be back to their usual selves, Grant Williams was helping settle down the vibes, and Luke Kornet was a surprise addition to the lineup practicing with the starters, while Malcolm Brogdon tried to maintain his excitement of playing with the Celtics.

Dave, Bobby, and Ray break down a chaotic offseason and look forward to what should be a promising 2022-23 NBA season that saw the Celtics just 2 wins away from an NBA title.     

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Dave Clarke:

Welcome to missing the point we're going to talk about the Celtics today we're going to do that thing that we all love to do but maybe we don't love to do it today I'm here with some people I've talked about the Celtics with once or twice before Hollywood Raven cannon and the real BK Bob Kelly. What's up boys? Well, we're just gonna do a post mortem on this offseason it's it's you know, basically the last time I was with you guys, I think we're celebrating the signing of Brogdon and Gallinari we were all pretty ecstatic about the exact needs that needed to be filled making a huge run this this coming season, looking like the best team in the East being the best team in the East having some solutions for tiredness of our stars coming in and Gallinari and, and Brogdon and basically everything's just gone from bad to worse since then, the offseason has really been a continual fucking kick in the balls every September for as long as I've been a basketball fan has been the quietest months of basketball for me. Tell me if you guys think I'm wrong I think media day you should just be signing guys off out of training camp you should be releasing guys that you've never heard of off the bottom of the roster you should be you know, doing gearing up for media day media day for every other team was showing off to slightly different jerseys and joking around with the reporters but not us not us this year which we'll get to that but let's start off just in chronological order as best we can with with right after we signed. Gallo and Brogdon Gallo obviously goes on international duty any tears his ACL it was a few kind of days of like Did he did he did he not and I think we were all sort of like, but he fucking did you saw the picture of you saw that picture? You're like he fucking did. And I remember you know in the in the discord it was? Maybe not. I was like, I don't know. So he did. He's not going to be doing anything for us this season. I'm not a doctor. But usually all sports fans know the three letter term ACL equals season. So unless you guys have heard anything different. Let's talk about that. What do we do? Ray, I'll go to you first on this. Are you in the camp of Fuckit signed Carmelo Anthony and like let's just get some shooting off the bench at the fourth position so that Tatum doesn't have to play as many minutes and he's not as exhausted or are you in the let's work with what we have. Let's get Grant Williams a few more minutes. What do you think we should do?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

So I've been I've been back and forth. Honestly, I think that Carmelo Anthony is someone that has been wanted by people in organization for a few years. I think, Danny Dan wonder why he was here. So they kind of went back and forth to 300 Brad and you know, Mike Jarren Duran see probably Yuka so I think he would be a great addition here if you know someone that can get you so 15 a night off the bench. I think that he had many great moments in LA but it got lost in the shuffle because they went 33 and 49 but in the same breath Yeah, we saw grant improved dramatically last year we saw you know other guys on our team take significant leaps so maybe if it was great last year maybe this year becomes haphazard right so we know same house basically does not shoot layups or he didn't shoot she was at all always uses three so I think that they're expecting him let's have be the auto filled that role you know now the side of you know an official dailies he's no longer on a two way contract so yeah, I'd like to say I went back and forth but I think that they could get a little great but I wouldn't be upset if they just say you know what, Hauser we're putting it on you let's just see where you go with it. And who knows maybe he becomes the next sharpshooter that we that we that we

Dave Clarke:

had previously not such a premium it but you know you're gonna get criminal anything I've always liked it personally I've always liked his game. I think you know the way he could shoot in the rain for the size I think was always impressive to me and I you know that draft class is nostalgic for a lot of different reasons but I think yeah, I mean you're kind of asking yourself are you going to get Carmelo Anthony now and is he going to benefit you come playoff time maybe it's going to benefit you on minutes like taking a little bit off to the other guys but you know might as well do that I think I agree with you with somebody that could potentially actually feature if they become a really good spot of jump shooter for from us which is a thing we don't really talk about very often but I think we don't really have you know we have good three point shooters but guys that can find a spot and hit consistently when they're open I think it's something that was a feature of the oh eight Celtics championship run that like we had like three guys basically where if they were in a spot and they were open it was going in and I think you know one tool job is it's fine to have on your bench at some point. I think it's okay to practice to try and try to get somebody to practice becoming that Bobby Where do you stand on this whole Carmelo Anthony potentially or some other Ford maybe that I'm not thinking of because we wanted to deliver to come in and shoot threes, right? We want him to come in and shoot. Be tall be a presence. We weren't gonna ask him to play a ton a ton of crazy defense. I don't feel like it's not really his game. Obviously. He was the best case scenario at the fourth position to backup Tatum like brings something a little bit different onto the floor, but we don't have that anymore. So what do you think we should do? Yeah, no, I just Well,

Rob Kelly:

I don't know if it's Carmela but when you look back at At what was our biggest problem coming into this offseason it was that that that stretch three, four spot rare it was so obvious that these dudes just didn't have any legs by the end of that series. And that's exactly what Gallo is supposed to do. And he wasn't brought here to play defense. He wasn't brought here to bring those intangibles that like we love so much on this team. He was brought here to spell offensive minutes for Jayson Tatum Jaylen Brown. So if you're asking me, do you think I'd need that need to bring someone in 100%? Man I I think it's crazy. They haven't yet to this point.

Dave Clarke:

What about race point about maybe just getting some like the hazards of the world some minutes?

Rob Kelly:

I mean, what's the if how is there can come in and prove that he can fill those minutes with significant MBA level ball 100%. But we haven't seen that yet from him. So so that unknown for such a vital spot on this team. Like out of everything else coming into this offseason. To me that was priority number one, you could talk about guys, you can talk about all this stuff. But getting Depth. Depth three, four position was 100%. My priority number one coming into this offseason. So the fact that we lost that depth that we got and haven't done anything, replace it, and are going to continue rely on what we have in house, you know, the things that in the past haven't shown us can do the job. You know, I just think it'd be good to have that that insurance policy of Carmelo coming off the bench or or, or someone who's established that that can sit here and give you was I'm not asking for 25 minutes again, I'm asking for 15 legitimate minutes on a basketball court. And I just don't have to face that Sam Houser can do that consistently to where he's coming in. And we're not like Goddamnit like, can you please get taken back on the court? Yeah. And that was like the biggest thing to me. It was like that goddamn moment. We need our guy back on the court. You need to have minutes filling in there that that just you don't note, you're always going to notice Tatum being off the court. But like, were you not significant significantly taking your your level of play down a notch when his article?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Well, that's the thing, right? I think we we've seen criminal Anthony perform at the highest level. So, you know, I know he's only been to one conference finals, but he's been to the playoffs. I think he'll lose 10 out of his 19 years so far in the league. So, you know, he's no stranger to postseason performance. I will say, remember, coming into last season. We were not on the Grant Williams hate train. We weren't on the him on the year, we were looking at different scenarios, even if it were possible to get him out of town. Right. Yeah, exactly.

Rob Kelly:

Within two minutes of being on this, yeah, exactly. Right back. Right. You know,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

he talks a lot but he's a good player. Right. So he's, he's now become more of a staple in the offense. Right. So that's mostly and that's the hope with the house or anyone else that comes that comes along this year. But

Dave Clarke:

I agree with you and I do see your point. But just before you leave the Grant Williams thing I just want to make the point of like, I feel like gallon ra came in specifically because Grant Williams went the way of the fucking dodo towards the end of the, towards the end of the finals like, Yeah, I think I think EMA will who obviously, we'll come on to talk about a little later. And Brad, were a little bit like, you know, Danilo Gallinari is just like, gonna still be hitting shots in game six of the finals, like he just is. So I think

Rayshawn Buchanan:

that's a fair assessment to make, I think, obviously, with, you know, dunrite being the Vet D has been in the league 1314 years. You know, once again, we remember what he was in Denver, even when he was when he was in New York as well. And yeah, he is someone that could get he was a lesser version of pay just to the occupants. Right. Yeah. And, you know, obviously, you know, we see Paris was was all star in this league, you know, someone that could knock down to three so, yeah, of course, I was excited as a fantasy. Now wasn't excited initially, cuz I was like, Man, I couldn't believe that. You know, that's all it took for a lender to get the jobs and Maria was only trade gunnery to do. I was like, wait a minute, like we could have done that we can do we got to do that St. Marie at the time. So that was that was my initial response. But once I've realized that we got him on the cheap and that he was going to be someone that is going to be not just effective, but efficient for us off the bench. You know, that that piqued my interest and increase my excitement, but, you know, back to back to back to the mellow point I was making. He might say he's proven it's proven to play out. Yes, I know. He has that guidance whenever you find those. So I know that those that listen to this will say oh, he's he's number one. There's never one that affects ugly. He is one of the greatest challenge. This has been an even at AST earn seven or you might be 38 Now

Rob Kelly:

his formula shoot a basketball forever yesterday basketball but his his his for his

Rayshawn Buchanan:

first step is still quicker than most even at age 38. Like his his footwork is unreal. Like I didn't realize how good his footwork was until I moved just watching a video on YouTube and I'm like yeah, he's done nothing to create separation. You know, let's say the mid range game is there mostly that's it like you just alluded to it like that that's a lost art in the NBA like yeah, I love it the crazy Shaun Livingston but give praise to rip Hamilton you know give praise to Marta Rosa now was probably the best in the game when it comes to mid range shooting now getting on Yeah, Bella was doing that and then Bolin and so yes, I'm talking to myself Pritchard as we as a segment but I would love for that to happen though.

Dave Clarke:

What I will also say to your tear Sam Sam Houser point like if you had if you were able to set up two cameras like inside Sam housers. Brain one inside same house, there's no one inside mellows. One would look like it was going and fast forward and one would look like it was going in slow motion. I'm playing an NBA game. So are we at the point still as a team and I'll use this as the question to transition where the SAM houses or the world are on the court for us getting good at basketball? I you know, I don't know if that's the kind of team that we need to kind of be at this point. I think we need you better be able to fucking play when you come into play for the Boston Celtics. Right? Yeah, you know, I

Rob Kelly:

I just don't want to get to a point where we were two years ago, right? Where we're working on the court and crunch time of a basketball game that we need to win. Yeah, and Sam Houser is out there. Just devouring minutes. You know what I mean? Like, I stopped we're past the point where we're seeing Trimont waters and dudes like this on the court and crunch time of an NBA game, which is where I feel like you're like

Dave Clarke:

number 74 Right

Rob Kelly:

I just I just don't need to see that.

Dave Clarke:

We're only down for what's happening. Yeah, it's like guys are just gas so yeah, I mean, like

Rayshawn Buchanan:

bringing out guys like Butoh fava Ronnie, Geeta told me, I'm good. So Sam Houser is a step above that Bobby I feel like

Dave Clarke:

oh, you watch Carmelo Anthony come on the court you gotta feed every like, fuck, like somebody's who's

Rayshawn Buchanan:

gonna get I'm just gonna get mellow. It could be he could be the call to lineup. Yeah, you know that. Imagine that where it's okay. If you got to give him the ball. And then I mean, great. I don't know if he's still committing and double team at this age, just rare. But the fact that you have to respect the jump shot, yeah, right. on a given night, because he still sort of when he was a Portland on a given night, he's gonna give me 25.

Dave Clarke:

And also like if he if he and this is a hypothetical, and you know, we'll move on from this now because we do have a tendency to get carried away about the fantasy of signing certain players when we've liked when we do this, but I'll move on after this. You know, there's a world where Carmelo Anthony comes out in game five of the finals, and he hits three shots, and the Warriors have to be like, fuck, okay, Draymond, you gotta go on Melo, and he may just goes like, jogging around, dude, run them around, you know, like, they go baseline a baseline go for, you know, come like, Come like, set a little screen, like move this way. And it's like, that's, he's your problem now, you know. So that opens if you you can get a guy like that to come on the court and you have to start worrying about them. Even if he ends the night with six points and like two rebounds. You still affected the game plan on the other team to the point where now instead of Jayson Tatum ended the night with 14 points. He's got 26 Instead of Jaylen Brown and brown into the night with, you know, nine points. He's got 18 and like you won the game, right? So this is a guy you have to think about if he's on the court, like everybody knows who he is. So moving on. Another theme obviously you have this offseason as the season has been the look of a potential team with Kevin Durant in it. Obviously, we're not going to fucking talk about those trade rumors, specifically, but I do just want to touch on them in the theme of what a shitty offseason this has been. And I want to ask you guys the question, do you think it's going to have a detrimental impact on Jaylen Brown knowing that it's confirmed that he was in a package to get KB Do you think he gets it? Do you think he's pissed? Do you think that the lack of organizational loyalty is going to affect him in the future and do you think now with kind of a never rains but it pours situation going on down there that that's just another thing that's happened to him this offseason? I'll go with you. I'll go with you, Bobby.

Rob Kelly:

I just think it's another thing that's at work. Listen. I feel like it's a it's kind of a step up for where Jaylen Brown has been viewed in the past that he was being considered and trade conversations for goddamn Kevin Durant. like listen, I know it's a loyalty thing and I know it doesn't look great that like especially with our didn't happen with email like what got their how they didn't know about it, you know, until they heard about it on Twitter. I get all that. But at the same time, you have to you have to recognize at least the Jaylen Brown has teared up you know in one hug To present he's teared up from where he was previously. And and if you're looking at it in an optimistic point of view, which is like what I like to do with the Celtics is 100%. He's recognizing now that he is a superstar in the NBA. Granted, I don't know what that means for him two, three years down down the road. When he comes up to contract. I'm like, Listen, you guys weren't faithful to me. He didn't do this and do that. I get it. But confidence wise and judging by what we've seen in the offseason, I think kind of made him tear up even more. Everyone being honest, like I said, Jaylen as a wasn't your doc in the nets aren't going to consider a trade for someone who's not first a second team, MBA for Kevin Durant. And that's that's what they were being offered with Jaylen. And I think that he now believes that I think it's going to be tough down the road. I think once once comes down to contract talks. I don't think that this is going to go by the wayside. And I don't think it's going to be something that we don't remember. Like, oh, maybe we should. But for right now, for this season, I honestly, I have a different outlook on it to where I think it's gonna give him a different mindset. Like, listen, I'm on this level now. Like, here I am. And it's gonna be even more of a upset from him.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, I mean, it's it's pretty widely recognized that if you drop Jaylen Brown onto like, probably 16 teams, 17 teams in the NBA, that he'd be the best guy on one of those teams. So that's like, more than half the teams he'd be the number one dude on. I mean, I don't want to parse that out. But like i i That's just a guess could be more I think that you know, his level as our number two guy is like a large part of the reason why we made the NBA Finals is a large part of the reason why we're really optimistic about this coming season. And I really hope it hasn't fucked his brain up everything that's happened, but he's, you know, he's a smart guy. He's a professional guy. I love him at Brogdon together. Now, I think like, you know, the whole thing, Malcolm Brogdon, dad was like a fucking rocket scientist. And he like he, like, got his master's degree in college while playing basketball. I also have always found Jaylen Brown to be incredibly intelligent. So I think like, we're just we might have like a fucking team of scientists here coming in. So I think I think it's a good fit, everything's looking good. But all the outside noise I don't really want to focus on what do you think? Where do you think is headed?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

So actually, so you know, to that point on my blog, so me brought dash, they're pretty tight. And they they became Blitzer and the bubble. So makes sense.

Dave Clarke:

They're both fucking smart. Right? Exactly. So

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I was I was excited when that happened. But obviously, I knew that that was, that was gonna be something that was gonna be in Daniels corner, someone that could be, you know, and advocate for him, someone that could be

Dave Clarke:

he needs a purse he deserves that. She deserves that on the day.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Before as far as the, the outside noise or, and once again, you know, we've said it on the show. Other media media parents have said it radio podcast, wherever people have this bigger platforms. At the end of the day, yes, it is a business, but at the same time, we are dealing with human beings, right? So yes, he's human. But I think he's gotten to a point where he is gonna block out the noise. But if you did every day, and I hope I hope he's upset, I hope he's mad and says, You know what, I'm going to show you why I deserve to still be here. I'm going to show you why. I'm actually considered a top 15 attorney and player in this league. And, you know, for what I've seen in those videos recently, you know, from the, from the first time of this training camp, you know, him and saw that limited number of songs, never, you know, on that, you know, later on, but I just think he's in a good place mentally. I think that he, like anyone would be hurt in that moment. Because obviously, you spend five, six years in an organization. That's all you're known for the 19 he got here. So yeah, I think that, you know, he has his moments, but yeah, I think that he's gonna take his aggression now through his play. And if that's the case, we should be super excited because when he's locked in, he's as good as anyone in his league. I just want them I just want the handles to be improved. And I want the shotmaking to be improved, so that he could simply raise his game and I will be put up 10,000 Free Throws so that's the

Dave Clarke:

shot 100,000 You know, totally listen, I you know, thing a lot of people are very, very quick to forget because their narrative and the truth of the matter, really is that Jaylen Brown is our number one guy. But I will also say that if we had have won the NBA Finals, and I know that we didn't, but had we won the NBA Finals. I would have been pretty upset if Jaylen Brown wasn't in Finals MVP because the he was like he just straight up was I think he if you asked him and there was a bunch of reporters in his face if he thought he was better than Jayson Tatum, he might media train and like, sidestep that question, but I think if you really get the truth out of him, I think he thinks he is. And I think everybody, every elite athlete should have the mentality that they're the best player on the floor, but I think that he thinks that he is the best player on the floor, and sometimes he is the best player on the floor. Yeah, so I love having him on the team. I've always really liked his mentality and his personality and I love his game and I agree with you on the stuff that needs to improve. And I I think the reason why we all kind of gravitate towards saying Tatum is the number one player is because he doesn't have any polls like that. I think he has stuff that he adds to his game every year where it's like, oh, he can do this. Now. That's great. But he doesn't have anything super glaring, like some, like some of the things that Jaylen Brown has. And it's not a huge criticism. I still think he's better than, you know, or 90% of the NBA, but I think, yeah, the handles the free throws shots late in games, I think, you know, I think he those hot starts are great. But I would love to see that kind of performance be consistent throughout the game, which I think is totally possible and doable. But yeah, I just I hope he has blocked out the noise. And I think we'll see. I hope nobody overreacts in the first 1020 games in the season. And we'll get on to the kind of the overall theme of of what what the season is going to be coming up. But let's talk about probably about three seconds. Obviously, it's a big frame to be jumping up and down on that knee. And obviously, I respect the gangster coming in and being like, fuck it. I'm playing in the finals. I do. I mean, that's, he's got a dog in him to that degree. And I enjoy that. I really liked his answer to the question of like, Do you regret playing in the finals? Or in the in the in the postseason last season? Because he didn't, he wasn't 100% Now you're out for longer and he was like, I played the fucking NBA Finals, dude. I was like, yes, yes. That is the answer. Like you're a fucking Hooper. You want to go and you want to fucking play the NBA Finals. That's what's up. Right. So he will clearly wasn't 100% My first reaction when I heard about his nega and scoped out, and like, all that stuff in the initial four to six weeks was like, great, like, just let's get it 100% healthy, let's get him 100% healthy. You know, let's get his body used to, to me, it reminds me a little bit of early Joe Joellen beat you know, it's like it's a big fucking body to get used to that many NBA minutes and he wasn't getting that many. And then when he did, it's, he's he's sort of started to get banged up. But I think if he gets in really good shape, he can be super healthy, but eight to 12 weeks is pretty fucking devastating. So, I guess same question, you know, Al Horford is gonna have to bear the brunt of those minutes. Do we want to go look at Dwight or Blake or someone like that that's floating around in the free agency and see what they you know, see if they want to come in and spell spell out or for a little bit. So he doesn't get that many minutes into his billion year old bones? Or what do we just wait? Because he's not going to play at this point until Christmas.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Right. But remember, when I when I brought up the way over the summer, y'all, I don't know. When I was like, we're not talking. We don't need we don't need a lentil, Dwight. I mean, granted, that was the case. I mean, we would be winning the championship. Right, obviously, but it's like, what you're talking 10 to 15 minutes and the way how it used to appreciate. You can say by him being goofy, is it the mainstays of say like the duel? I just I liked the new version. Six times 611 65 like to do Deuce chiseled since he got out team out of Southwest Atlanta. Like dude, it's crazy. So he just still give 10 to 15 minutes tonight. He's going to be a defensive presence. He's always been rebounding side to side defender so which is what the Celtics played that after us that's their that is their thing. So he would fit right in. I've heard obviously people still are inevitable Boogie Cousins and I get it because you say you think about what he was in Sacramento, you remember I am meet you i was when he was in New Orleans. And he's like, Oh my god, like his passing the scoring. But it's like, I don't know if I mean credit. If you say 15 to 20 minutes a night. Okay. I mean, I wouldn't I wouldn't be mad at that III

Dave Clarke:

don't know. I don't wanna put down the Celtics. Okay, we've had enough fun emotional trauma on the Celtics. That's not it's not worth the risk with that. So you gotta admit it, you got to mitigate that?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Well, what's the devil but if we were not expecting him to be once again, what he was up to in other places. wasn't good. Just give me 15 to 20 minutes a night. And I think that him being 32 that meeting. Booger touches like, I don't think they use the same volatile guy because we haven't seen too much stuff happening with him lately, but he's played with that he's definitely definitely returned as

Dave Clarke:

like if he isn't then and he's on this sell. They seem there's guys that are gonna want to fucking rip his head off. You know?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I think having a smart would be great. I think him as far would be phenomenal. I think they will be able to hold each other in check. But I think that that would be awesome to see. But those are the two names I think about I know we talked about Willie Cauley Stein over the summer too. Like I think he got signed or somewhere but you know those are I mean, Boogie and Dwight should be at the top of people's list. Sure. I wasn't gonna lead drop jump and name in the comments as you watch this. Or listen you know, on on wherever you listen to the podcast, but those are two names. It should be at the top of people's list

Dave Clarke:

can't hate a veteran presence. Not at all, you know, unlike it'd be really weird to watch the Celtics but Carmelo Anthony and Dwight Howard running around out there but I mean 19 year old maybe

Rob Kelly:

I started seeing him grow all the way. Yeah, right. I just look at it. It's like okay, so what's our contingency plan here? I'm gonna sound like a broken record, like I like to do but like are we really going to sit here and think that our secondary unit come? January and February is going to be god damn Luke Cornett and Sam Houser. Like is Is that? Is that really a date? I know it wasn't you know, I love Luke. Alright, it's corn at time. I get it killer corn it. It's, it's on bro.

Dave Clarke:

i But Bobby loves anybody that has a catchphrase or something along Yeah,

Rob Kelly:

it sticks in my head. I'm in it. But like, bro, I can't sit here and say that I'm excited for these two guys to be playing significant minutes on a team that coming in into a month and a half ago, I had championship or bust expectations for you know what I mean? Like that that was the level we were at. And now we're sitting here what? Well, can we survive? Sam? How's our loot? Cournot play? Stop. I 100% think we have like, it doesn't need to be Dwight Howard. It doesn't need to be Boogie Cousins. Just give me someone that has legitimate minutes. As an NBA four and five in this league. I don't care who it is. It can be your guy, Bruno Fernando. Bring him back. That's fine. Like, yeah, I don't want guys that that haven't been proven to be able to fill these minutes, right and then not be able to, and now sitting here to three months into the season like what the hell happened to our debt? What are we going to do once we get past our first unit? Because listen, I we've been on this path before we've done all this guys. We've we've done every exercise we're doing. We've fucking done this. And we know how this ends. It'll be a lot. I'm sorry to be like that guy. But like, we've done all this ship before. And we know how this team ends up in February. We're like what the hell Tatum has 42 minutes a game. Jaylen Brown is struggling his wrist hurts his knee. You know what I mean? Like we've been down this road. And I just don't see. I don't see an internal solution. I'm sorry. We've tried that internal solution before it never works out. So I'm ready for someone to come.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Can I pull the questions above the otter? So obviously we're running the theme of having a backup big men like listen, we all know that's a need like to say otherwise. Like you're you're honest.

Rob Kelly:

Okay. He's been trying to tell Brad for fucking six.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

So What? What? How do I feel about bringing back some of the Erin Bates?

Rob Kelly:

Yes. Um, like I said that a few shows ago.

Dave Clarke:

I was talking about him in in, in in context with Tice. I'm like, you know if any of those guys are going to come back from that fun little run, I would say Baines over twice every time. I never give a shit that there was 7000 highlights of him getting dunked on. To me. That was he's there. He's going straight up in the air and like, yeah, he might not be physically getting up to the heights of like, fucking you know, DeMar DeRozan is jumping over his fucking head. I don't give a shit. Like he's there. He's slid to the right place. He's planned smart minutes. He's getting boards, which as you know, is my favorite stat. I think there's like there's that so you gotta go get the fucking basketball. He's right there. He's taller shit. I think he had a you had a great mentality. I think yeah, guy like

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Aaron bein. Tim O'Brien love them throughout the day. So exactly.

Dave Clarke:

He's a role plays a true role player in the NBA like is that guy like that? You get to come in. You know you have a Dwight Howard, you have a Camarillo. Anthony. There's always a version of them in inside their heads. That used to be Dwight Howard circa 2010. And you know, Carmelo Anthony circa 2012. Where you're just like, okay, yeah, we get it used to be absolutely fucking sick. Like I understand, but like, please don't try that again. You know, like those those moments. I think Aron Baynes is just out there. Like, I'm warmed up. I had a nutritious meal today, or he's like, Oh, today, I'm warmed up. I had a nutritious meal today, whatever the fuck and Australian accent sounds like coming to that guy's mouth. And he's like, I'm here to just make good slides. No one's gonna back cut me. I'm going up for boards. I'm like, I'm vocal. You know, he's switched to super well we play that kind of defense. He's always switched really well for a guy his size. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Put them on the blower right now. Get them on the blower.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, I think I know I know. He's I think I think he's signed Australian team just about I don't know let's see it's not gonna be the whole season. So I do think by the time the all star break comes about I do think that he shouldn't be added for insurance. If I say if he wants to come back to the NBA obviously, you know, and I also think that the guy that they're really high on it because he do both their summer league is Fiat Ducato galley.

Dave Clarke:

We talked about him in the summer

Rayshawn Buchanan:

talking about assembly show I think he's someone that's going to be pleasing to watch during the pre season I think fans are gonna be what they already were on the hype train and seen him and assembly so I think it'd be has another great showing or showings during the preseason, then people are gonna really look like he needs to find a way to get, you know, eight to 12 minutes on the floor. And I think that's not going to hurt one because he's high energy, you know, someone that could shoot to three. And, you know, he wasn't he is another able bodied out there that can do you know some work we you know Dave, Dave is the frog I think me and Dave were the first one to talk about shaving Williams you know the kid from Purdue as they end up getting undrafted. You know, I personally think that, you know, maybe you keep him as a as a third or fourth big, you know, once again if he shows that he has to get into shape but once again, from a passive perspective, as I said, as on the show over the summer, the dude is MBA ready as a pastor his vision is pro ready right now, but he just had to he had to get to conditioning ready. He has to make sure that he understands the sets that they're calling they're calling on under Joe Missoula. So I just I just think to me, those are two names that may come up but um, but you Bobby I understand that you know, when you're when you're banking on first and second year players to be key contributors, it was different with Tatum and brown, right, like they were available to number three picks. They, you know, even didn't even Jaylen Brown wasn't the guy that he was going to be a second year when Tatum got there late Tatum Tatum shoulder Some believe he was NBA score right away. And he just needed time to flourish and once he did they would they went crazy and then 2018 playoff run so you know we I said that there's a lot there's a lot of there's a lot of room for growth with the current roster. But like I said, we keep we keep reiterating this point and we will until they do something, you have to add something in order, but I know they want flexibility. I get that. But the flexibility. Damn net right now financially give me you need to figure it out. They'll come on veterans minimum, some others like 2.42 point 5 million, you need to cut them later on five do so but to send a message to the law firm say despite the turmoil, despite what's going on around us. We are still on par for banner 18 We're still looking to get the job done. And your story.

Rob Kelly:

Yeah. And it's so also to kind of circle back to a Rob Williams is like, was an I love what he did for us. I love the grit. He showed what what he did to get us to Game six in the NBA Finals because without him we don't get that far 100% without him playing through that injury. But this is a guy that has an injury past. This isn't someone that like had an injury last year and played through it last year. This guy has been playing through injury has been injured almost every single season of his NBA career has he had one season where he's healthy beginning to end? I don't think so. So it's not a matter of if but when with Robert blames in my opinion, you know, every single season he's going to get dinged up you need to have death that death for him five position you have to because right now like you guys said the depth is Al Horford and Luke Cornett

Dave Clarke:

you know, there's there's a world where Al Horford falls off a fucking Cliff 100 I hope that wasn't happening. But there's there's a world

Rob Kelly:

where I wanted to touch on that too. Because the reason why Al was so good last year was because he was fresh from the year before. You know what I mean? He didn't play with Oklahoma City. He fucking six, seven months off. Yeah, this dude just played his heart out. Yeah. All the way.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Even during the season last year, there was some muscle people who was like, okay, he started five like the wizards she is now he's hurt. And then and then we got to the postseason. Every was like, Oh, this is 2016 now. Yeah. Because he shows up when it matters. Like people gonna say what do you want? What the man? I don't think they met. Well, I mean, obviously, he didn't make it. Okay. See, because they want he was a plane and they were a team. I don't think he's missed the playoffs when he's when he's played full time. He hasn't missed the playoffs. That's not a coincidence like that. Those alerts he

Dave Clarke:

ever made. The first round wants to, like seriously as he was,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I mean, sure, but um, I but they were gonna be in the mix, at least at the top and like four times do so. Yeah. So I to me, it depends on what they're going to ask of Al Horford. I think that he can wrap it up when he needs to obviously. I just hope that they're not

Rob Kelly:

a lot of problems isn't there? You're asking too much about it and you can't rely

Rayshawn Buchanan:

on what was thought on it?

Rob Kelly:

Without Rob

Dave Clarke:

to me to me how's Tejal slice response right in which I said this six minute talk was fucking propaganda a while ago and I know what

Rob Kelly:

to do right? Or if he's to the to, right, so he's

Rayshawn Buchanan:

a tool because Rob has hurt not because I'm telling you. We started all the time. So yeah, I don't want to I hate to burst that bubble. He's not gonna start all the time.

Dave Clarke:

I feel like I feel like you're underrating him a little bit and I think if he gets a little streak going, where he's playing at the level that like I think he's capable of I think he's gonna be an undeniable starting minutes guy and close up guy to be honest with you. Healthy No, I think the reason why that he's in the position he's in and he's rated the way he's rated is because of injury and if he's if he can, I'm saying if he can be healthy and get to St. Gallen I think you're going to be pleasantly surprised that like the kind of contributions he makes, and it's going to be kind of he's just going to be

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Oh, yeah. Listen to it. Listen, we the three of us talk basketball better than most so I'm not I'm not worried. I'm not worried about his play. I'm just saying I know that was that thought process he said it brass

Dave Clarke:

but I'm saying what maybe they go smaller than you know, like instead of putting management but then load management on Yeah, that's

Rob Kelly:

the first was eight to 12 weeks is two to three months of the season.

Dave Clarke:

We had our big paid our best basketball with a double big formation we played so fast that there would be formation we cannot do that right now.

Rob Kelly:

So it was like, Oh, God,

Dave Clarke:

no, I mean, I just knew that I was going to ask what it like you know, we have to change the look of our team when that Rob Williams in there and I agree with Bobby on the sense that like the you know, the contingency plan not being there and the fact that he does get injured as much as he does. Yeah, it means it's like well, okay, so you guys are gonna need to know how to play two different kinds of basketball you know, which I personally I think

Rayshawn Buchanan:

though, and this is an I rehearse anywhere I this is just something I just thought of because they they did it last year to the year before it's time Sue don't use it pies have met the for sure. I know. I know that that but that's a small line of me here somebody reaches out of his mind that that's that's cool. Sometimes I am I just I wouldn't be surprised if grant up to four

Dave Clarke:

that's a small lineup right? That's what we're saying is mostly

Rayshawn Buchanan:

put out pull it up put students if I could talk for a second putting out at the five grand out the four you know and then you have a big a lot of work smarter brown who's your backcourt tabs or three?

Dave Clarke:

And you're a little position list.

Rob Kelly:

So I get I get it. And I think that's a great way to begin some teams because I think that lineup could could blow some teams out. But what the hell are the Boston Celtics going to do? Against Philadelphia 70 Sixers against the Bucs against the heat against the nuggets.

Dave Clarke:

It was kinda way to be the 60s. I'm not worried about that. Yeah, so but like, against

Rob Kelly:

these teams that have these fives, man like, there There literally is. It's not even like a bad contingency plan. There isn't one. You're telling me you're gonna rely on Al Horford who was 30

Dave Clarke:

years old friends between what BAM look like when Rob was healthy and planning and what BAM looks like when he wasn't you know what I mean? Like it's a whole different team wins. He just you got to worry about him. You know?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

We hit it he didn't even work out like that though to be

Rob Kelly:

honest. But but Sure, but when we don't have what we're not small, wider, doesn't have a rim protector there. It's a whole different ballgame. Now really? Like like When? When we're relying on a 38 year old al Horford and a six seven grant that's that's sure because six nine Grant Williams to be a rim protector like it gets

Dave Clarke:

a go he's not that that's not his game. That's not what he's gonna be doing.

Rob Kelly:

But but it gets so remember those four or five minutes stretches where we're literally all pulling our hair out going get a goddamn rebound juice. That's that's where

Rayshawn Buchanan:

that's where that's where Tatum and brown and he was smart to a lesser degree has tomatoes. Like you got all 500 crushed support, right, including something were you looking at one or two guys that gets rebounds? Like it has to be a group effort, right? I don't even know where to leak out. Again to transition I get that. But in order in order to compromise what's going on right now. It may do it. What do you have? You have to have all five crashes aboard all five deaths.

Dave Clarke:

I think that leads back to my original point though, is like we played our best basketball when we were moving really fast. Yeah, yeah. And that's when you crash the boards I mean, we're not telling anyone sitting around listening to NBA podcast that anything that you don't already know when you crash the boards your transition play dies. You know, I don't mind it. I mean, the oh eight Celtics are a great example of it. Rajon Rondo used to get fun as eight rebounds a game or whatever because he would just like put himself in positions and it didn't matter because he played half court you know they played at a half a slower half court game which I loved watching I really enjoyed it but that's not the Celtics like Marcus smart like you I agree with you like if you have everybody crashed the boards like you're gonna get more rebounds and it is a smart way to like play your game but like our offense does become a little turgid when we get down Terrigen is the nicest word or a little more when we when we become when we become a little bit of a eat the clock team as we've discussed in the past, like it doesn't look great. Now if they can learn how to do that, you know, and if they can have the mentality that like they're not going to fucking Space Jam every single offensive possession and they and honestly they need to I don't even really hate it as an idea because they need to learn how to fucking play efficient half core Full Shot Clock basketball better than they already do. And I think that having a small lineup is really good for that in certain situations, but to Bobby's point, God this is gonna be messy. Fucking season all right we only have a few minutes left I have I'm just like I'm just thinking about what this fuck team's gonna look like and I honestly have no fucking idea oh yeah

Rob Kelly:

just I just want to fast forward to January and February and just see how stressed out we all are because that's where we're gonna be we're gonna get

Dave Clarke:

then again like what happens what happens right and what happens if they catch fire? Yeah that's what I'm literally about to say like what happens if Jayson Tatum still has another post all star break fucking level up in him and he becomes arguably a top three player top three players picking him yet you know what I mean? Like and he just goes insane. What happens if Jaylen Brown comes out and he's playing just out of his fucking mind every single game and it's just a new genre shot. And it just doesn't matter at that point. You know, then it's been an hour talking about double bigs and you're not talking about transition and small ball you're talking about like doesn't matter. Jaylen and Jayson both have 40 and have games like you know what I mean? So like, I don't know

Rayshawn Buchanan:

if we remember so I use this to Brando it was a different team because you know, it was still to G and the rest of the producers there. You know, when they when they lost the LA in the finals in 2010 they come back they have some other guys there as an adult instrumental do check was there

Dave Clarke:

was there Alright, those three centimeters off the ground troops

Rayshawn Buchanan:

that that team, you know, I think the year before they get to the final they wouldn't fit me at 32 they come back the next year. I ended up losing to Miami the second round obviously because you know, that's that's when LeBron and him got joined Miami but that team went 5626 Like, I think people thought like, okay, he just ended that era.

Dave Clarke:

We were pretty good. That series. I was resume TV Rando, like there was a lot going on. Yeah, for sure

Rayshawn Buchanan:

about what I'm saying is I think we're gonna get a mix of that. Or we could get, you know, a version of the old that oh, wait, oh, nice. Well, things were underrated in the booths at Orlando because he was out but that team was 27 to two to start. And they were running through everybody, everybody that day at work for them when he knew the road.

Dave Clarke:

And I have my thoughts. Oh my god, I was like my 82 and you're ready to go, man.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I was like they easily could have went back to back on once again, I know. It was a lesser business history know, the way they were running through everyone at that time. And I was like, they would have went back to

Dave Clarke:

the start of every single page.

Rob Kelly:

We would have gone back to back HUD Yeah,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

who's we should have paid that way three years in a row like that. That's that would have been a great trilogy like that, that would have been phenomenal. So But needless to say, either we're gonna get a mix of that when we saw it oh nine or, you know, we'll see what we saw in 2011. And where they still won, you know, near 60 games. You know, I am a little bit weary or leery of the coach situation. Like I said, I know that's

Dave Clarke:

what we're going to talk about last so I'll just ask you guys the questions and these last few minutes we have here obviously, we might have seemed like we're beating around the bush slightly but obviously the worst thing that's happened this offseason is you know you're pretty sure obviously you may have dug it was doing some shit he shouldn't have been doing look. I mean, you guys did your best to fucking talk about it. The week it happened. I know it's not it wasn't an easy thing to talk about when everything was fresh but we still really fucking know anything. It's very honest with you you know there's there's a it was a consensual it was it was weird Commons blobby, blobby, black. Look, here's the deal. I don't think he has Froggen suspended for a year unless he does some fucking shift that the internet will go insane about I think that's the fact that Matt Barnes of all people is going like I was supporting him that I heard what he did. Now. I'm like, okay, cool, Matt. Thanks, buddy.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, that says a lot. It honestly nothing. Yeah, yeah, I

Dave Clarke:

don't think he's ever gonna be a coach again, in the NBA once it comes out. Like did it I'm like, Alright, cool, whatever. So it is what it is. Obviously, I'm not saying anything. All of us don't already know. This is difficult to talk about. It's very, very upsetting, honestly, when it happened, because I think that I can't even look at you guys when I say this is so fucking awful that this went down like this. And obviously, you know, my heart goes out to anybody that was negatively affected in their life. But just from the perspective of a sports fan, man, you had such a good fucking thing. Good thing going dude. Like you were just you were at the top of the world, bro. Like the players loved you the fans loved you. You've got a team that nobody expected to six games with one of the arguably the best franchise and group of players we've all seen over the last fucking 20 years. Everybody was listening to you everybody was marching to the same drum beat you add bonafide superstars that like obviously loved and respected you and you're a proven commodity in the NBA and the one thing you could do to fuck your day up and my day quite frankly, was this so look, I don't look I don't give a shit okay for it to be quite honest with you. If you cheat on your wife, if you if you are not a great person in real life, when you look at sports through the vacuum of of just trying to win fucking games. I hope he didn't do anything horribly diabolical that he should be like punished for in real life. But again, we don't know No, but man I you really fucked up what was supposed to be such a good book and season for the Boston Celtics and quite frankly, I'm booking furious with him.

Rob Kelly:

Yeah. So So what that means so mad about it is like I completely agree with you listen, I will never sit here and judge a person for for for mistakes they make in their personal life cheating on their wife bank and someone that they shouldn't work, right whatever. If it's consensual, listen to you and live your life. But at the same time, bro. You were beloved in this town wasn't your immediate you may email you

Dave Clarke:

so you don't have to worry about anymore. Yeah.

Rob Kelly:

Mr. Delco had his lights set in this town. All right, he was going to go down as as the face of this of this regime of the face of battery team once it comes because it was common. And still might be. But but it was common and he was going to be the face of that better the face of turning these guys into superstars, the faces of them taking the next step. And it's just it's, I can't imagine listen. I can't imagine the the mental. I don't even the Metro roller coaster that Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown must be going through right now. Because these guys were seen as like the top players in the game. But they didn't quite have the oomph to get over that next level. Finally, get this guy here. Who who takes him to that level, who gets him the respect of the rest of the NBA, who gets in the respect of the hardest sports media, it may be in the country. Finally a Boston's like finally, we're not going to trade these two. These are our guys, him, or these two, and the DocQ are going to be the face of this franchise. And then one day, they just wake up and all that is fucking gone. And it's just it's so crazy that you would put everything on the line like you did, but yeah, man, I don't. I don't even know. I'm at a loss of I can't remember someone who had so much like, can you guys think of another example of someone who had so much who had all this promise? And and it turned this fast?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

As as as a as a coach? No, but plenty of players?

Rob Kelly:

Plenty of players. Yeah, but but,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

but not but not not not?

Dave Clarke:

To put Yeah, you're talking about players that are kids, you know, like this season 20. Adults but I mean, he's a fully grown adult, though, you know what I mean? Like really time to like, you know, get like extra on this.

Rob Kelly:

It's so different to be listened. You guys have been a minion and you've been a mentor. Right? You've been in both those roles before. And and to be a mentor. Like, when I'm in that position. I take that shit seriously. Right? And like, you know what I mean? Like you're building up these young men to become like, the real men and superstars and transcendent of the game and like all this stuff, and behind closed doors. That's what's happening. Like, I just can't imagine. Like, that's, that's the perspective I've taken. This whole thing is like, I can't imagine being Jaylen and Tatum. Right? And sitting there and having this guy that you respect so much and has taken you to a different level, and it has brought you to to superstardom. And that's what he was doing behind closed doors like, to me, I just think it's such a crossroads, and Celtics history of where we go friends

Dave Clarke:

though, right? Like on that point, and I wanted to do this today to like, you work for the fucking Boston Celtics, bro. Like, you don't work for fucking OnStar you don't work for fucking at&t. You work for the fucking Boston Celtics, like, have some fucking respect for the franchise please. Like better, like, you know, bigger fucking personalities have come in and knocked on this shit. And honestly, another thing I keep thinking about is like, you know, and I know you said this, something alluded to this in the group chat Ray is like, you and I have talked in the past about how in a in a predominantly African American Sport Coaching positions front office positions are not regularly handed out at the rate that they should to people that make up so much of the sport, right. And this is a dude who is not only a black coach, he was a black player. He was that he becomes a black coach and he's he's risen to this level at a story to franchise a story franchise with a checkered fucking past and race relations. I might fucking add, right? And he's driving the ship. He's the guy now we've talked about in the past how unfair it is that like you know, if you're a person of color, if you're a woman or whatever, you have to work 50% harder than everybody else. 75% harder than everybody else. Well, the problem is if I do something like this, you don't go like out that's what happens when you give white people the job. But there's a whole fucking section of people going well, actually right now. They're chess but he's he hasn't just let down the team. He hasn't just let down the players he hasn't just let found the fans. He's let down a bunch of people that honestly are trying to get the same opportunities that he was given. And he's, he's fucked that up a little bit. You know?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

That's what people aren't on touching on as much either because people say, Oh, this infidelity actually happens all the time. Yes. Well that's that's not the on the surface yes that that is what happened that's what we know fine. It was even flee infidelity Jose, it was just cheating because he did not did not legally mattify you cannot look like he may or myself and do the same things that other some others other words can do. It's just that simple. You know, as a Biden, man, I've been told my entire life and my 30 years of existence Rayshawn you have to be twice as good to get his half of the opportunities as if it's just that simple. And once again, it's not fair. It's not right. It's but that's just how that's just how it goes. And I said, once again, we're working towards being being better, but it's just like, you know, once again, you know, there's, there's always gonna be things that kind of hold, hold us back. And, you know, this, this will be something that does that, depending on how much you end up, you know, finding out but it's interesting, and I'm glad to be that we're ending on this and dissect this a little bit more than I know has been it has been a store really, for the last, you know, eight or nine days. I heard something on a national radio earlier today. And it blew my mind and I didn't think about this, so they brought it up. No one has spoke positively on his behalf.

Rob Kelly:

Yeah, like no one. At least not since the barns video. At least not so

Rayshawn Buchanan:

no girl Bree but Eve. No, no, but even Nope. But even even even when that happened. Oh, it was like, man, it's such a great guy. He's the best dude ever. Amazon. I'm always I'm always going back when I heard that NASA. And I'm like, damn, like, you know what? That's true. That even the guy who came underneath, pop, pop pop always gonna go out there. And we're talking about if suppose. Something is good. Someone's getting fucked over. Dre was gonna be at the front line saying hey, this is wrong. Fuck y'all. Just emails my guy. That has not happened.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, it's not even

Rob Kelly:

close to that. Not even

Dave Clarke:

honestly, it's such a good point that it is fully fed to the, to the wolves like

Rayshawn Buchanan:

that, that that to me is a little more apt to like say it's just that that national pundits put it out there. That to me is a little more alarming to anything else. I said, I'm glad they gave that perspective, because I didn't think of it that way. But that's that's That is insane to me. That it nine days once again, not even not even two players on the team was like, something he would do. He ain't do not like that. And what's it need to be?

Dave Clarke:

Everybody's got that friends, you know? When he gets up to

Rayshawn Buchanan:

date, you're not you're not telling me that? And I know what they said no, they had no true man. Wow. Yeah, but you're not you're not telling me that they didn't know. Once again, I'm there. I'm there. So I'm not always on level three, which is where to play to come in to go to locker room. But there's a lot of different moving parts on level three. And you know, so you can always probably see where the individual was, or individuals depending on how much you know how much that's really the our jewels. Yeah, so Yeah, might be it might be individuals, they might be thorough, you know, so that that person unfortunate but, you know, I think you know, and I get it you know, a lot of people was like, man, is this not that deep inside the series. Everyone wants to focus on what happened with Brett Farve. Well, I got to save energy for both, I think I think both situations are Sure why not both? Yeah, yeah. You know what? I'm really just we have a really bad case. knows that. But we have a really bad case in America about the what about this? Uh, what about that? Oh, yeah, most of us fucked up just just saying that is honestly like both and that's why I brought it up now. Yes, Brett Farve is fucked up we know that so brain fog should get the same type of energy that everybody else is getting when they when a committed wrongdoing. And once again, Yes, Bobby, right. Shouldn't be judging others. And I'm and I'm not once again, what he did was messed up was he and I were speaking from a fan perspective. We had the winning formula. Oh, we thought they were wonderful and was gonna be and then it just it just goes it goes away. And it makes me think about Rasheed Wallace said When? When it when Detroit was on their run, he said Vinay raffinate. Right. And that's the only thing I

Dave Clarke:

could think of how to overcome adversity, every great team ever is

Rayshawn Buchanan:

it. This is gonna get to 30 for 30, bro. Great. Well,

Dave Clarke:

you know what, honestly, I can't think I saw that tweet. And I was one of my favorites. I can't think of a better notes ended on because quite frankly, I agree. I think that this is either going to break them or it's going to make them and it's an accelerant for sure. So honestly, if this team comes out and does what it was going to do any way then I don't want to hear any shit about their their mental fortitude. So you know if it ain't

Rayshawn Buchanan:

rough, what was it? It's been a rough day right?

Dave Clarke:

If it ain't rough and ain't right and on the ship DNA championship DNA baby and on that note thanks for tuning in and missing the point for Hollywood Rayshawn Buchanan and for the real BK Bob Kelly and everybody here at MCP will I will talk to you again soon Joe Celtics

Rob Kelly:

so sad.

Dave Clarke:

All right. I gotta say my dog by the man's good show. I was like talking basketball. He goes before

Rob Kelly:

Oh yeah, maybe