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June 20, 2022

Boston Celtics Lose Game 6, NBA Finals to Golden State (We're Emotional)

Boston Celtics Lose Game 6, NBA Finals to Golden State (We're Emotional)

The Boston Celtics couldn't overcome continued self-inflicted wounds and displayed even worse turnover discipline in Game 6 of the 2022 NBA Finals that saw the Golden State Warriors win their 4th NBA Title since 2015, and cement Steph Curry as one of the most dominant players in modern NBA history, and fortify the Warriors as a dynasty.

With the season officially over for the Celtics, it's time to perform an early offseason autopsy and figure out what was the official cause of death for the 2021-2022 Boston Celtics. From the inability to prevent turnovers, the missed timely free throws, to their resident Superstar, Jayson Tatum's not showing up in the most critical series of his VERY young career, we look back on a disappointing but STILL VERY SUCCESSFUL season.

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Rayshawn Buchanan:

Welcome to the next edition of missing the point I am British. I'm in Kenya with my guide Roby K. Bob Kelly. This is a show that we will have a low tea dreading only because of how it ended. But, you know, we're here know, after the finals know that the Golden State Warriors have been awarded their four championships in the last eight years. So, you know, became what was what was going on man,

Rob Kelly:

you know at first, you know, alright so you know, in our group here we've had a lot of back and forth the past really depends on the past two weeks pretty much the ends of that Miami series about who this team really was, ma'am. And I believed in my heart that they had more fight and that not necessarily we were going to win because I always kind of felt like Golden State. You know, they've Stephen Curry. They have a lot of pieces that are consistent, you know, at a level that the Celtics don't have guys that are consistent that but for that last two games to be what their stamp was on that great run, man. Like it was unbelievable. It was some of the best basketball like that I can remember some of the more enjoyable basketball to watch. You know what I mean? And it's just for them to go out without a whimper and just look overmatched. You know, like they quit I don't even want to say quit but like, just that they were done, bro. They were so done. And it was just it was such a whimper from Tatum such a whimper from you know why just down the line and no one showed up in that last game except for Jaylen. So.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, I'm your work. We had a glimpse la Horford? Yeah, he

Rob Kelly:

like five to 10 minutes where you know, you know,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I mean, he was like, he was awesome in that third quarter. But yeah, I mean, but yeah, I mean, let's but let's just dive into that. Right. So obviously, you went down a line to some guys that have subpar performance. And so but just what just what you just elaborate moly, what do you think actually happened? Because like you said to them that you know, the sheet Brooklyn, they you know, they'd be defending champs to seven, they end up beating the walk. I mean, Miami also in seven. So just can we chalk it up to them being tired? Or can we speak more about maybe it was a mental block that they had, once they got to this level? But just Just what were your what are some what signals you had? You know, from the series as it unfolded?

Rob Kelly:

I think it was pretty clear that inexperience played a huge role in this NBA Finals. You know what I mean? Like you look at how the Warriors reacted to adversity at this big of a stage and you know, all those many storylines, and like all these different things, they rose above it, and they even played better. After all that scuffle about the Boston and all that shit. The Celtics just kind of shied away from it. And it just seemed like the moment all around, like even MA You may gotta get it right in the last show. Even he even he looked overmatched your time, you're like the spotlight was too big for him. Like there was just certain things that were happening through the series that we'd never saw coming into. So I think a lot of it did have to do with the experience of never being there before. When you think back to when you were 24 years old. Could you handle a high intense pressure situation like you could at like, 2930 you know what I mean?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I mean, I could speak to that, because I'm a teacher. So trust me, there's not too many more high pressure situations if it gets easier believe. But no, you're right. So the 24 set out to Kara city shout out to the chiefs. Yeah, at current city at 24. When I started they actually no way. Because it was PID, not jumping off the wall, literally. But just the energy was crazy. It was a lot to handle. But yeah, but by the time my fifth year was there with them, and I was there, there's like, Hey, I've said to you, I need you to do this. I need you to do that. I'm not sure why you're not and you're see I'm not sure why you don't have your workout. Like there's a witness you move around the ship we're comfortable. You find your teach of words right in a way they need to find their basketball voice in a way we find in basketball was branded basketball acumen, whatever whatever word you want to use, or you know, that they have to find that did they have sports for they did find it? Absolutely could obviously, they got to the finals. But you know, the biggest thing for me was that we know I talked about, you know, what are our takeaways? It we have to start and maybe even adolescence other stuff that we think about but it has to start essentially and with the amount of turnovers that this ad billion percent like it is it makes use the word mind boggling. Budgeting the brownies just about Tatum, it's just really just about the whole team at times but it is amazing to me how many turnovers the same pad but just really happy with how they just gave something away and I did I established crazy like they had under 15 turnovers like they were like Target one or something like that. And then basically they have 16 or more You know, they hadn't lose the record. So just, you know, just how much you know just how much heartache or how much, you know, I can't even think of the word and I'm so mad that he was thinking about the fact that they turn the ball over so much, but just what how did they rectify that going forward? Because it's just like, Yo, like that to me. At this level when you become an apprentice, like, once again, these guys are in their fifth six years. So yeah, we can say they're young. But there's no way ball handling should be that much of a problem that you can't juggle. So just you know what they do go forward to rectify that because it was ridiculous to see how it unfolded. You know, most of the player that's honestly

Rob Kelly:

you know, a dhoka said, mind boggling. I don't know, man. I do not. I do not know what happened there. It's just the eighth careless, you know what I mean? And I again, I feel like y'all come back to me for experience where it's like, they feel like that, you know, the warriors aren't going to be there to catch their lazy as fuck and passes over the middle or you know what I mean? The one that stands out to me, it was the first one in the first quarter where I knew we were in fucking trouble. Where they were trying to set Rob up for what it was supposed to be like one of those Tatum go around, Rob, and passes it to him and like he goes around and Rob passes back to Tatum, bro, he pushy armed and didn't get it over the guy that was in front of Robin. It's like, how at this stage of the NBA Finals Do or die, is that the Pats that you think is okay, you know what I mean? That, that, that that's what you're gonna come out with. That's what I kept saying, like, this is what's happening right now. Actually, I don't know. I honestly do not know, because it's the most mind boggling thing of all. I think a lot of it just has to do with having a purpose. On offense. I feel like a lot of times, they just kind of get all willy nilly and just pass it around, try and find new open dude, or they decide that they're gonna be a rhino and just run full speed into all five guys on defense. I don't know. It was mind boggling. It was the most frustrating. It was honestly the most frustrating, like 2530 minutes of basketball I've ever watched in my life. Because I was predicting it. I was predicting exactly what was about to happen. Like, I'd be like, Oh, cool. We stopped them. How much you want to bet Jaylen put your shoulder in the four dudes right here and gives it up? Three seconds later would happen a bit? Yeah, there it is. And then next up, Marcus is going to throw some crazy ass past behind his head across court, and it's gonna get picked out are gonna happen. It'd be Yeah, bro. What, what is going on? is all I can

Rayshawn Buchanan:

even say, you know, I want to stand on last time before we kind of give the totality of what we saw for the whole series. Last night in particular, it's like, oh, you start off 12 to maybe I don't even 14 to 14 to two. I need to cry. I'd be listening. I'm there. I got a line in there. I mean, they're like, let's go. South did our show last year I ran into her like she was spiking. Oh, like crowd was height. And then I think coming out that time out. My dude was still 14 to five like very come down, boom, hit 314 523 This 14 eight and 1410 E and then go we're gonna stay takes the lead in the first. And I remember saying in our group chats and I say Yo, I said this might be hyperbolic. But the share might be over already. And they were gonna say little move up. But I'm like, You can't start. You cannot start a 12 to any you're down five to HetNet quarter dough. This will talk was our first five minutes. They score 39 and a half 39 In the first app. Like what this is insane. What the fuck is gonna say bro?

Rob Kelly:

I did the math. I did out the math. It's a half a point a minute.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Right like that. Like that's a joke. Like it's Oh, it was it? Was it? Oh my god. It was just like, what? How does that happen that you only score 27 More points in reverse of the Hab. And they basically go on to like a 50 to 20 wind to n at one point was like 20 it was straight like that. That's crazy to me. Like in a game that it was all the marbles and I said it on another show. I do what am I like it's amazing to me that and I love y'all but it was like all you know, we were fighting through him like yo and it's just older fan, but it's not a matter of Oh, you're giving up or you're not a real fan. But God I'm realistic. I'm there. I'm seeing this not TV. This night you're hearing white grease and bang tissues. You're not hearing that. I'm seeing the body language that time most of you are not seeing that when I'm seeing how they were walking to the type outs. They look dashed. They looked at past labor over today was ready for that shit to be over. They gave one final push into their corner. But I'm telling you, I've seen it I look forward they look there was just like we can't do They want to see, we just can't. So at least the way I want to ask them that it's like what was the turning point to you in this series? Because I felt we may have different views on this. But I want to know, what do you think was the turning point of the series?

Rob Kelly:

The two missed free throws by Jaylen, that that to me, so a gay gay four and game four yet it's such a definitive moment in time that I went from. This is over we got this to Oh, no, in the Oh, no. It's just kept getting, you know, more and more frequent after that point. Like because the one one split. That was perfect. Exactly what you want. You know what I mean? Then you go ahead and win game three, convincing fashion. Right. Game four, we were well on the way it was close. But we're well on the way to taking that game going up three, one BAM Jaylen hits both those free throws and we go up by six. He doesn't carry comes down back to three and all the states up by one. And it's such a big you know what I mean? That's the swing of that emotion man to go from. We're gonna hit these two free throws. We're gonna go home. 312 seeing Stephen Curry rise up from fucking at seven feet. And just bang Homer three is just so demoralizing. Like you. I thought I was demoralized. Can you imagine being Jaylen or Jayson or like any of those dudes and having that moment right in front of you? You blow it and not on Diablo it but the Warriors go right down and throw right in your fucking face. It just was such a swing of momentum in this series man. And from that moment on, is when I saw just it was yeah, we're in trouble. We're in trouble. And then anytime we will get momentum. Stephen Curry would just fucking take it and put it right under a shoe and beg not fuck that. Yep. 38 footer?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, I mean, so to me. It just may sound crazy. Or did I know what I'm about to say is gonna be the unpopular game to say because of how early it wasn't a serious to me. It's it was really game two. And I know they haven't gone to one. I know that. But you had a chance to put a chokehold you did on the series. And it was like they came out playing it. I will know. We could just kind of you know, we had people to split. That's the wrong mentality. You if you have a team on the ropes, and they was going back and forth that was there, and you let them build that confidence. That grid? Yes, you had a great game three, whatever, that changed around awesome. But to me, Game Two, mentally is where it was last night. I know. Game four was the game that people was like, man, you know, scores 43 It goes crazy. But to me if you could pick Game Two, or even take game five, Steph Curry was all for a night and I talked about this on the show. I said he's gonna have a game where he's gonna go to elevate from three to 518 that you got the game you got he gave it to you on a silver platter. He said No, I'm okay. I'll just I'll I don't have a man would open it. He basically said, here's a three to leave here. And he's done it every series these minute. Regardless of what you think of him as a player, especially at all times I get it. He's gaping teams still reply to games every fucking time. And people don't capitalize unless it was LeBron influenced.

Rob Kelly:

But you know what happens is, you know, Steph Curry can go Oh, nine all he wants. But when looking at right now, when Jaylen Brown, Grant Williams, Derek white, and Payton Pritchard, I'll go for a combined Oh of 14. From three. You're fucked. You know what I mean? You needed all those dues to to contribute and more of a way than any of them were prepared to at this stage, man. And yeah, I don't disagree about game two, because there was a moment in game two where you're like, Oh, my God, are we actually, you know, we're in this game too. Can we pull this out? And then it was on it. It seems like that's when Golden State kind of got their defensive confidence to that's where they've realized that like, listen, when we walk down on these dudes, they can't do anything. And we couldn't man we couldn't do anything.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

To pump them again to

Rob Kelly:

beat on Jaylen face all that shit. It was

Rayshawn Buchanan:

like okay, let me make sure like I got I think he realized oh, you know, these dudes and it was real I gotta do something to just to shake the table and that he did he did more than ever and I checked but at least see the Draymond Green time right so I'm on the floor like sad do security one of the new security check dream all walks by me? Yeah, motherfucker. I got full. Ever sitting with a smoker I can't say sicker. They told me to tell them to talk to players, but I'm just like, I'm past that. I want to respond to that. Want to share from so back? On one a triple? And he's like, Yeah, but you know, when I was I was so bad, but um, by and he listed his posts today with the banners and it says no, listen, I noticed that something showed that was fucking gold. It was gold. We did. That was. That was great. That was awesome. So I just like to say, Listen, it was it was it was crazy to see what he did it was even when he showed up last night to oh point eight rebounds. Nobody ever noticed like that. So it was good. But that's the thing. He hit it when they started

Rob Kelly:

during that quarter, three, quarter, quarter three row

Rayshawn Buchanan:

the crowd was like follow these 10 knees like you're not just that What

Rob Kelly:

can you do this dagger in the second quarter?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I was like Ryan, I was I might remember this a recording threes. You're fucked. Like, what do you do? And even when there wasn't another plan to third when he hit it? He did too. When they basically you know, Boston was storming back and they played defense. But they had a couple of plays and aids going back and forth. And he gets it hits him on the top of

Rob Kelly:

the key the shot clock buzzer beater, right for the shot clock. But all you hear is Draymond Green.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Mo something. And it's just like, Yo, if he says sounds like this, like you're not, it's like that's where Mark is. And Mark says like you're not beating us if Marcus is on because it's like what do you do? You can't you know, if he's all on. Hey, listen, he just showed up last night they got so when he shows up, they usually win so yeah, I just to me, very disappointing performance overall from him. But just you know what I mean by I said, you know, you can give your thoughts to just what, you know, just what did you see from him? Or what didn't you see from him in this series?

Rob Kelly:

Yeah, no, it was. Marcus was atrocious broke. He was he was the worst version of himself. For 60% of that series. There's moments where you're like, you know, yeah, let's go Marcus, you know, you see the crazy shots going in. You see him doing the Marcus things that he does get an offensive foul, but then he'll throw behind the head, you know, somehow at the same time through the legs pass right to a warrior and they go down and it's a momentum killer. It's just it always seemed like when it was the most inopportune moment to force a pass or make a terrible pass that he was doing it at that moment and he was taking all those markers shots that we don't want him to take it just I don't know. I was hurt by that six game, bro. I had it with Marcus smart. It was just every game was a microcosm of his goddamn Celtics career. You know what I mean? It was like, oh, Marcus, like got every game you had that reaction. And it was just it was the most frustrating thing in the world because you know what this guy can do, man, you know what he can do? And he just he was a detriment to the Celtics in this series. We needed him to be the heart and soul. We needed him to be all the saints, but he was the exact opposite where he was either in foul trouble turning the ball over or missing threes. That's how I saw him in the finals.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Right? No, absolutely not. We're joined now by a guy that Nikkei says he can.

Dave Clarke:

Sorry, I will say no, I just I didn't want to I Sorry, I'm late. I'm just I was crying. I didn't want to cry in front of my friends.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah. You guys, so No, man, just stick to what you saw off the markets in the series. You know, just how, you know basically his play do didn't help us. Most soldiers were thoughts about him too serious.

Dave Clarke:

I just think I mean, I get where he's coming from. I mean, I think he did a lot of frustrating shit. I'm trying my best to be like clear headed about the entirety of this roster considering like what they did I get that it's difficult. It's only been, you know, it's been less than 24 hours since that can go punch but at the time recording, but as far as Marcus goes, I mean, he just to play devil's advocate what Bobby was saying, I don't think you're necessarily wrong. But I think that like he did have his fucking hands full with specifically the Golden State Warriors. You know what I mean? I think what the kind of guards you're dealing with, and the amount of attention he had to pay to Steph Curry on the other side, and how difficult it was not like, you know, we all saw Steph coming into this series as a shooting threat in the first two games. Like that's kind of what it was you react to that and then you forget that he can like if he goes left, you know, like, he's so fast. And like, he doesn't miss layups and like, we miss a lot of layups. And I think that like Marcus had his hands full on the defensive side of the ball. I think that the this is going to be sort of a theme of what I think about the whole series I just think I don't I understand that thought of like the Celtics beat themselves because of the heights that we saw them get to and like the things that they achieved and things Marcus achieved even you know, in that microcosm, like Bobby was saying, but I just really think that like, the warriors came in with a great game plan, and I think that they sides like, like, I'm not disagreeing with you, Bobby. I think you're right. But I think that didn't have happened on its own. You know, I think the Warriors made that happen. I think that they're like, this is what we can make. This is the kind of game we can make Marcus smart play if we want to, if we like smother him, and we frustrate him. And like you saw in game six they were doing it better than in any other game like he caught him he caught him on a couple of kind of like soft flops. And then they just started going right back at him with it. You know what I mean? That same exact type of gamesmanship. They're going right back at him you could see in his eyes he was just like home well that fucker like they kind of out Marcus smart and Marcus smart a little bit. And I think that he's the kind of player he's emotionally is gonna play right into their hands. You know, so I think you're not wrong. And I'm not saying this in defensive Marcus smart, but I think you have to maybe give the Warriors a little credit for drawing that out of, you know, I do know.

Rob Kelly:

I do. But his newfound love of bounce passes. was the most frustrating but

Dave Clarke:

that was that was true across the board. The lazy passes. We taught Yeah, that was you know, and I'm sure you guys have discussed it already. I mean, it's been true all playoffs you know, there's been dumb fucking lazy passes all playoffs from everybody. Why we decided to go into game six thinking Rob Williams as a point guard. I have no fucking idea. You know, it's like, they had a great game plan, man. I mean, you gotta say like a team that comes in with this many finals under their belt. And forgive me if I'm repeating what you guys have already said. But a team that comes in with this many finals under their belt. You can just see the experience, especially in that last game. Last night, I saw what Steph was doing like he was there to win. He was there to win a close up game, like in the playoffs in general. And especially in the finals. You just been there. There was a moment where Andrew Wiggins was on Jayson Tatum. I don't know if you guys have touched on this, and Steph just will start walking away and was like, just shoot it. And it was like, oh my god, he fucking knows. And so we're like, oh my god, like fuck, I mean, I should too, but I was like in denial about it. And it's just like, I don't know. Alright, when did we all start pretending the Warriors weren't good? I mean, like, they're, they are good.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

What about? I'm glad you said that last part. Because I want to ask if there's something that you would ask. Well, the bad thing before the series, are you ready to run away meant that there was a deeper team?

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, I mean, the thing is, like, they shouldn't have been now like that. Like they it didn't make any sense to me that they were the deeper team. Like, I was just You were right. I was definitely wrong. But it's like, Where did our roll? I didn't want to be right. Of course. No, I get it. I mean, I mean, you know, we all have our we all have our fucking flaws when it comes to watching this team, like emotionally. Like, I think denial is one of my biggest thing is like, Where did our guys do? Yeah, where? Where did they go? You know, like at home, especially, like, Where was Derrick white, like, and his floater and his great decision making when he's inside the perimeter? Where was Payton Pritchard? You know, couple of big threes when he's coming off the bench? Where was where was Brett Williams is corner threes for the entirety of the series. Like, it was like, they went there, and just completely lost their identity. And I think if you want to talk about things we discussed, we fucking discuss them not, you know, be ever been there before and that the occasion being a little too big for the match. I think that's what happened. You know what I mean? Like, exactly what happened and why but,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I mean, granted, that was I mean, that was a case for both sides, obviously, except for obviously, you know, you have your best players. I've been there put, you know, it was brigus first time, it was pools first time. First time, all those guys played, especially Wiggins. I mean, I was saying that he was going to but man, Andrew Wiggins changed my mentality about him tenfold

Dave Clarke:

number one pick our NFL in Syria because Yeah, he did for sure.

Rob Kelly:

You got to remember, bro. That doesn't matter. If you haven't been there and you have dudes on your team that haven't just been there one time just been there. These guys have been to the final six times. So like, any time that there was a shred of doubt or like a shred of inexperience that pops up causing a want Don't fucking do that. You know that Dave Chappelle skit where he's like, you know, every time a crime happens do pop ties but hey, don't do that. That's five to 10 that that was Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson and Draymond like you know what I mean? Like lead don't do that that four turnovers that's the fucking game like that's exactly what happened throughout that and you could see it man like but to me it came down to exactly what you're talking about came

Dave Clarke:

down to two moments like it can game five it was we came back the comp the momentum was with us and we fucking choked and then in game six I know that it didn't look like it but in game six it was a stretch in the third quarter where they could not fucking make a shot to go the warriors could not fucking make a

Rob Kelly:

shot we got it within eight and it was like yeah,

Dave Clarke:

we got what they needed. We should have been fucking ahead if we were actually converting our fucking chances and honestly, I mean look at this might be like the day after blues talking but like, offensively like it sucks to watch like Derrick white take a three to try to bail you out of a fucking offensive slump and it and as much as like even Al was making big shots. He was making those big shots and I was happy they were going in I was like a big ol Yeah, we've seen this before but I was like, why is it him? Why is it him that's doing this not in this situation in the finals? Like where are the guys? Where are where is Jayson Tatum like where the fuck Before we

Rob Kelly:

do move to Tatum because we definitely need to talk about all that. Can I just give you guys some cumulative numbers from those role players from game? Six? I know it's gonna hurt a lot just to like just again really hurt. So Derrick white game when I was second five minute Derrick white game 504 from the field oh three from three Grant Williams game for our game five. One of two O of one from three Payton Pritchard from on game 503 o of three from three points.

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Do you guys do you guys do Grant Williams

Rob Kelly:

already? Now we didn't really get into any of the fuck happened to Grant Williams. And then we go to game six Right? Like it is Grant Williams is really bad too. But so Derrick white in game six one of six oh have two from three. That puts them at a combine one of 10 in oh five from three in the last two games Payton Pritchard o of two O of two, which puts them at o of five in the last few games. Grant Williams one and two, one and two. Actually has 50% from the field, but o of two from three and like you said he's disappeared. So I mean, that's a great What the fuck happened?

Dave Clarke:

What happened to him? Like, I feel like he got benched. Am I or like was he a ghost when he was out there? Or was he not out there because I really didn't see game six he was barely out there game seven

Rob Kelly:

of the Eastern Conference Finals was the first time I noticed it and that stretch from Miami was taken over at the end where he just looked like the moment was too fucking big for him and that it just continued from there on out it was like he froze in that moment he was getting beat everywhere like thinks he's a star player though

Dave Clarke:

so like how does that make sense?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Drake dream on verbalize it. So you want to be me and I said I made a tweet saying that he'll never want to be what he absolutely is looking to be with us and he basically looked at what is the one I'm looking to get to and he just he couldn't fucking match it to the heat that should be shipped to someone that can get you 10 to 12 points five rebounds you know a few assists just a loose different but you know we've seen him play great defense this you know this playoff run so much to the point that people were saying you know resign him right away. Well yeah, I don't know maybe it was something that was just was that it wasn't me it was my

Rob Kelly:

guess Yeah, you said it on the podcast bro that's like fucking six years ago doesn't it? It does it does.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Oh my god but much in the last Yeah, I mean you know I got a terrible playoff beard myself my hair looks all crazy on low but yeah, I don't know I just say to him you know Pritchard you know all those guys became you know on unplayable after a while and it was a shame because you literally I go Yeah, cannot it just arrived I was thinking about the death right? It was cool in the regular season to go seven ad because once they change it, you know, they really took off. But that works in a season because Okay, guys not taking because I'm playing a game. Some guys say nice off when there's low management or dangerous I tried as hard. You could get there you could beat it's one of the 2000s feeling cytokines doing that fight. That's great. But even in the players you need guys that could steal five to seven minutes for you. And then you put your guys back on. People were like, Man, how you taking some curry out? They can take Steph Curry out because they know who so we hit play. He's gonna do his thing. Dre is gonna do mistakes from a defensive standpoint. Otto Porter coming into the threesome like they just have a day so it's just like you need to find guys that can do it to system well yes, they had got to have moments once again I was right halfway about their way into it previously he one of the series he did he wanted it was Miami Not again. I wished it was just shirts. He wants them as opposed to that but either way they got this fine, but it's just like that when it came down to like being having those guys that however you're not a tech guy that can actually contribute that that batters?

Dave Clarke:

Sure I just but I also just think I agree that like eight, nine and 10 it was glaringly weak throughout the entire playoffs, but I just had faith that our rotation was fine. Like the shorter rotation was fine because it was working. But I think it's about it's like, like, I don't want to sit here and blame the fucking role players for that loss. You know what I mean? It's like, it's about what you're asking them to do. Like, are you asking them to come in and spell JT and JB and like, you know, okay, guys, we're up. 12 you're gonna do five minutes, make sure we're at least still up seven when you come off the court. Like are you asking me to do that? Or are you asking them to be like, Okay, guys, we're down. 15 You guys gotta go get us some buckets. It's like, that's not that's what we're at Derek

Rob Kelly:

goes word of the game.

Dave Clarke:

But that's the thing. It's not fair. It's not a fair thing to ask them. Like the things if you're a role player, right? Like look at fucking Jordan Poole. Right? Like there's a perfect example. The dude was hitting shots. Like he was Steph Curry because he's standing next to Steph Curry doing the same shit. You know, that gives the role players confidence. It gives them green lights. It gives them the ability. You could see the hazard He jumps shooting trickle from the top all the way down. Oh

Rob Kelly:

yeah,

Dave Clarke:

you could see it all the way down and like we almost overcorrected. Like it's like a couple seasons ago you're in the bubble you're like guys you're fucking taking too many jump shots. Then you get in this sweet spot where it's like okay great like remember you know everybody remembers I mean it's not going to matter now it's fucking doesn't nothing fucking matters in life is meaningless but the Do you remember the almost jump shot that Marcus took in game one against the books I wanted everybody to listen that's yesterday's instant that's

Rob Kelly:

right he's audible now the optimal word from the crowd

Dave Clarke:

yes game wants what's the defense you already know the rest of the story fucking passes into JT spins fucking carry like the traffic cone question and we win the game. That is what I want to see. Right that's a good decision what they can't seem to do is like not just do one or the other all of the fucking time like because they just stopped shooting good looks in game six because their confidence was fucking shot. And I think it trickles down from the top now look. I mean, can we move on to JT I'd like you know is it time? Or do you want you know the thing is like I'm a fierce defender of him I think he's an unbelievably talented player I just posting Conor McGregor Go fuck yourself means all night last night like drinking fucking sock a well into the fucking wee hours in the morning crying into my fucking chest but and like look I still believe it I mean if you like honestly if you genuinely believe like so that we're gonna I'm not gonna rehash this because I've already missed the point anyway see what I did there. But if you honestly believe that basketball skill level wise like you know size for position the shot creation gonna finals at 24 that he's not like more talented than Paul Pierce, then you don't have basketball. So I can't really have discussion with you, however. Yeah, I mean, he's not him, though. There is that there? Is this like, there is this mental side to it. That I think is unfortunately we all wanted to get answered this year and I think Game Six against Milwaukee we all thought maybe it was from raid Z soft. What happened?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I really hope that it was an injury or really, because if not wearing fucking trouble. Yeah, we are.

Dave Clarke:

Like, what it's so weird. It's so it was so

Rayshawn Buchanan:

it is it is it is like that moment and we've seen it this morning when he has the fuck you get out of my way mentality. He's at ease. And this is maybe hyperbolic but he might be a type that

Rob Kelly:

you're playing this week. And those moments and and those what we

Rayshawn Buchanan:

just said you'll get out of my way. I'm gonna do whatever.

Rob Kelly:

That picture that's been going around the internet when he's got that. Yeah,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

exactly. So I know. Yeah, I might, you know, so definitely happy to be there. And I know this thing about all we know, because the you know, the 24 is when he bought me Look at me, Dave, you're the one that pays the random about a year some change ago. How long are we going to say, you know, this ad? So I'm like, honestly, at this moment, I'm tired of hearing.

Dave Clarke:

I mean, he's 53 in basketball years.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Right? But it's just like dad just like what the fuck, but no, I'm hoping his injury. But I feel like there's definitely something that's going by we

Rob Kelly:

just think about the historic no shows in the finals of some of the greatest players ever when they were too goddamn Young. For the moment when the moment was so much bigger than they even realized. I mean, you remember LeBron Nicky in that Dallas series broke, he was awful, the greatest player we've ever had. No, he would not go you

Dave Clarke:

know what you can pinpoint in a basketball sense why it's the weirdness of Jayson Tatum his performance over those six games it's so fucking strange why he decided to play like that. But like

Rob Kelly:

it's it's just you got to take a step back from this disappointment because it was so weird to me, because it was such an outlier. And such a you know what I mean, I different from what we normally see from like, we talked about this earlier, those air balls, man, that to me is the number one reason on the list. Why something was out whether it was injury, whether it was him just being too young to shoot, but you

Dave Clarke:

can't just yell over that, because that's the most important question. Is it his fucking brain broken? Or his shoulder broken? Because if it's his brain, we're not broken.

Rob Kelly:

No, I just think broke. I said this to Ray earlier right? If you look back right at who you were 24 years old. When you were putting on high pressure intense situation that's going to affect the rest of your life. You shake your pants it is just it is what

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, showed up every time the bad example. I fucking showed up every time I

Rob Kelly:

agree with that. I

Dave Clarke:

I come to play. I'm a big game guy. I mean, not everybody's like

Rob Kelly:

me. Last I checked you moved to California to be with a girl that you're no longer with.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, that relationship. Oh, let me tell you something. That girl was not the NBA. Okay. I'm just saying that girl was round.

Rob Kelly:

The fallout from such a big moment Right? To sorry. I'm sorry. I didn't my bad

Dave Clarke:

Leah's believe still here. She was yeah, fair. She got me know each other too? Well.

Rob Kelly:

Yeah. Sorry, because you after this fucking three week stretch, but like, it's just it's such a big difference from when you're 29 From when you're 28 You know what I mean? And I just feel like when you have all this shit stacked on top of you when you're that young man when you have an entire NBA franchise when you have Cedric Maxwell calling you the fucking go when you have all this shit going on, man. And on top of it, your fucking shoulder hurts. You know what I mean? It's just there was so many different things. I feel like that led to what we saw in that NBA Finals of Hinch being because it wasn't like he was bad. Okay, it wasn't like he was bad. He was a completely different basketball player. You know, he just had a completely different feel. Makes me think it's the shoulder though, right? And that he is the injury or it could have been a combo of both, you know, I feel like that's really Yes, he probably could have over over compensated for that injury. Maybe had a couple of good shooting nights if it wasn't the goddamn NBA Finals. But it was so you know, it's just

Rayshawn Buchanan:

so there's three as I heard, there's three different finals. I want him to look at over the summer. If someone was near him in his camp DK may not have one ball with just because the team broke up it is our right move to laters I want to look at the 83 finals. Magic had already won to be already already already won twice. They got swept by Philly. People call him tragic magic. He will get it done again. He has a winner three more. His idol. Toby had already had a three P got got smacked by the choice did Toby did not show up yesterday. People can say what they want before we became look at look back at those numbers that he had against Detroit. Rip Hamilton. The voice set him down except for Game Two and in 2013. To why Leonard for Ireland and Mrs. Altru Fritos, like by Jaylen Brown did they come back the next year and annihilate the Miami Heat? I want him to look back at those series look back at those players go to three guys that people consider to be you know, top guys obviously especially the first two I named a draw from Nicola. I said those are guys that made art. We'll see why they weren't. They weren't at that time, but he wanted to next year but magico had already warned it. And people were saying that these guys were whatever. Oh my god, I can't believe how you show up like this. So just so we got to pump the brakes hole and just go we got to pump the brakes about how bad I said it was bad. Yeah, it's day one. What's it make you see? No, but this isn't we say is day one. But this is 2022

Dave Clarke:

I thought you were gonna go I honestly thought you're I thought you're gonna go 84 I thought you're gonna go magic losers to Larry and they can't get them home.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

We didn't seek the league as a foreign thing in Philadelphia, SWAT seven. Why? No, it went game seven. And

Rob Kelly:

there's what you're saying it was a disaster. Right?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Sure. But then he comes back the next year and hits the game winner right in Boston. So it's just like, you know, you know, we'd have to first time I think Lea beat Boston ever in a fight so I get it. So I took that he draws he he looked back at draft that to say, look, they were cloud in these group players. And we talk about soccer in Orlando. I think I shared it on Twitter earlier that Orlando team to me reminds me of the Celtics team got to the finals pretty easily had two young gray stars. They go with me we didn't get swept but Orlando just slept. He basically never heard from him again for a while. So it's kind of in between, but I don't know. But just what are your thoughts about that? For you either one of y'all could could jump in on that. But

Rob Kelly:

the Orlando thing I thought was interesting. It was the first one that stuck out to me where I was like, okay, that's comparison that like I get but Shaq was already out of there. At that point. Everyone knew Shaq was leaving this is just it's to a point now where it's like when you go down like I already said man when you go down the notable list of people who have had collapses and who have shit themselves in the NBA Finals. It is endless man. I mean you have Kyrie blowing a three one lead, right? You have LeBron Noah showing against the Mavericks. You have Kevin Durant Russell Westbrook James Harden not showing up against who did they play Miami? Yeah, it was the heat. It's just you go down the west man and it's just player after player when they weren't ready for the moment. You don't. You don't just have like a well he was okay. No, an NBA Finals it as the spotlight broke. If you fuck up if you do these things when you're expected to not just be good, you're expected to be great and amazing. It's gonna be 10 times returned back on you. So it's just you got to pump the brakes out like nation when it comes to Jayson Tatum because the dude special. I know he had a shitty finals and I get it man. I was just as frustrated last night as you were because he wasn't even close. You know it me like, there were moments where you're like, alright, Jaden was going. That's the gap. Then he would airball two shots in a row. It'd be like, Oh, fuck, what? What the fuck are

Rayshawn Buchanan:

you principle three is early on. Yeah, so here we go. I was like yes, I can hear DKB California like yeah if that's what we need.

Dave Clarke:

And then really what I was saying

Rayshawn Buchanan:

like it was just like I did like this like what it's like what it's like oh my golly, what happened from from there but yeah,

Rob Kelly:

yeah, when you think about the guys who don't have a title at the age of 24 and I know this is you know, it's all relative because you know, some guys come in league a different age, all that shit, I got it. Jordan, LeBron, Kyrie KD Yiannis Shaq will Malone who came, none of them had a title by the age of 24. And I think when the two of them had been to a finals by the age of 24. Guys, just take a step back, look at your history. Just look at what's happened through NBA history. They are ahead of schedule for where they're supposed to be. And Jayson Tatum is such a huge part of that. Was he even bigger part of why we fuckin watch this series? 100%. Sure.

Dave Clarke:

To add on to that, to add on to that point, Bobby, it's maybe it's because we're in Boston, like we're in the Boston fan base. And we you know, we hear this stuff way louder than other fan bases. But I think Luke has a great comparison point because Luca got to the Western Conference Finals. I mean, nobody wanted nobody thought the worries were going to do what they did this season. And in retrospect, that seems really stupid. Like considering like, it's still Steph and clay and Draymond, and they still know how to win a fucking finals, it seems dumb to think about, but Luca, is apparently the next fucking big thing. And I'm not really sure he gets beat with the same stick as Jayson Tatum does. When he goes farther and fails. You know what I mean? Like doesn't just go to a conference finals. So it is this kind of weird thing where the more successful you are, without doing it, the more shit you're going to take for not doing it. And I think LeBron is a good example because I was having a great time talking about how LeBron didn't have a championship yet when they lost to the Mavericks that year, I was having a fucking wonderful time thinking that Miami Heat Team wasn't going to be anything

Rob Kelly:

I remember I remember posting the memes Oh, I didn't get your phone call a my phone into LeBron mode. Right? Oh, yeah. I remember those yesterday.

Dave Clarke:

What it makes me think is in the age of the internet, and look, we've been talking to the Boston Celtics fan base directly for a few weeks and months now. And like I just want to add on to what what Bobby was saying. I need you guys to take this in good faith because I know we don't get along me and Twitter, and Celtics, Twitter. I you know, I know since the little Paul Pierce thing, whatever. But you got to hear me on this. You really got to hear me on this. These players. These are 24 year old kids. They have Twitter. They have Instagram. And it's the player empowerment era. This is the era of players doing whatever the fuck they want, going wherever the fuck they want. If you guys don't shut the fuck up, and shut the fuck up real soon, he's gonna leave. You're gonna get what you want. I'm so sure you're gonna get you're gonna get what you want. You're gonna get what you want. You're gonna get Jayson Tatum to go somewhere else. And you're gonna have complained your way out of a generational fucking player. I understand. He did never fucking great finals. And I hope like we talked about I hope his brain isn't broken and I hope like whatever. He's so talented. I'm not even sure it's gonna matter. But guys, come on, like come on. Like we weren't even supposed to be in the finals. You know reminds me I know we're not supposed to talk about Louie CK cuz he jacked off refer those two girls but he had this great joke where he was like, We i He's like, I got

Rob Kelly:

Reverend Ollie as what? I'm

Dave Clarke:

not gonna debate that right now. So the point I made the Boston sports blog, as you can guess very well plug and stand on that. But listen, we're all fucking pieces of shit. I looked like an extra slug in town right now. But the point is, yeah, right. This is the most fucking anyway, somebody give me a Natty Ice.

Unknown:

So bro out.

Dave Clarke:

Here's the thing. He's got this great joke where he goes. It was before the era of it was before the era of like Wi Fi being on planes all the time. Right. And he's in first class because he's like, still, you know, hasn't gotten contract and off in front of anybody yet. And they're taken off and the stewardess goes and and forgive me if I'm butchering the joke, the stewardess goes, Hey, you know, we're trying out this new thing. Just for first class passengers. We have actual Wi Fi on the fleet. So you guys are gonna get to do that and was like, oh, okay, that's great. That's amazing. And they take off and they try to turn the Wi Fi on the students get some things. She's like, Oh, sorry. We tried to get it to work. And it's not working and the guy next to him like this guy and like a two piece Brooks Brothers fucking students like, ah, typical. And he's like, You're mad that you don't get something that you didn't even know existed five minutes ago. That's the human condition. Right? So because they got to the finals. You're mad at them for not winning the finals. They were 11 in the fuckin East not too long ago and not for nothing, but we were here talking about that. I'm not sure what the fuck all these new people were doing that are like mad at Jayson Tatum and fucking mad at the fucking Boston Celtics. Not sure where you guys were. Didn't hear from you much back then. Didn't hear from me much, but now you're fucking mad that they lost the finals. We weren't even supposed to be there. We weren't even supposed to be there. We weren't supposed to get best of luck and we weren't supposed to be about that. pasinetta we certainly weren't supposed to sweep them. We weren't supposed to get back and pass the bucks. Every fucking commercial on television was Jana Sanders a Koopa FUCK IT people still thought that you were gonna beat us even though we definitely should have fucking beat them and for games for some reason. We went to seven. And there it is. You know you're in the FA Cup finals and you don't win against probably the best fucking finals team of our generation. Give me a fucking break it off their back. You know, you didn't know about the plane Wi Fi until five fucking minutes ago. You can't be mad that you shouldn't be marveling at the fact that you're in the air that you're flying through the fucking sky. The Wright brothers invented air travel. If you're mad that there's no Wi Fi. You spoil bucking brats. Come on. Lighten up. It's fine future's bright. But Bobby's rate is 24

Rob Kelly:

You did a great job with that joke better than Yeah. Oh, yeah. I know right? Exact. I know the exact interview type you do like on Letterman or some shit right.

Dave Clarke:

Now that I've told it. Is it cool if I jerk off in front of you guys?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Absolutely not. Oh my god. No. Well, let's think about it as Robin is Batman, wherever you want to prepare. They come in this series but Jaylen Brown man obviously last night holds us out past 3775 I believe so Bobby, I'll start with you but disappointed to see in Jaylen this Dimitri confident in his play ball forward.

Rob Kelly:

I mean, he was a perfect to man he did exactly. He did exactly what it was supposed to do when you're one isn't being one. And he kept you in the game and gave you a chance to win. Granted. She had some of the most frustrating turnovers and literally the turning point of the series on those two missed free throws but then Tatum went up to him as one would do a go to for six next game so you know it was the whole thing but no, I just think you tell that negative fucking voice in the back of my head from that game and still fucking there. Oh my god well this pocket asshole of it and he was awesome and he was exactly what we wanted them to be. Again, it's just I don't want to sound like a broken record. The moment was too goddamn big for him when it came down to those nut crunch those moments that you need him to hit that shot or you need this you need he reverted right back to what he was now Miami series where he would drive into three people in fucking knock him over like bowling but

Dave Clarke:

at least he was trying to make some happen I

Rob Kelly:

agree to agree that for me he was the perfect to where he kept us in the game. He kept shit rolling,

Dave Clarke:

but like he's the only one in my mind. You really can't give shit to considering his like he was about to be if we won that series, he would have been fucking Finals MVP, given

Rob Kelly:

Western, the turnovers and those tumors. Fritos was so funny, but

Dave Clarke:

they all turned the fucking ball over a ton. And he's gonna

Rob Kelly:

he's gonna be a narrative with literally every single

Dave Clarke:

he's going to touch the ball that there was some frustrating turnovers in there don't get me wrong. I think that he needs to learn to like not be on fucking roller skates when he's going downhill. But he touches the ball a shitload and we play fast. The Warriors have been living with high turnover rates for a decade because they play so quickly. Like I to me, it's to me, it wasn't the turnovers. I know. That's the I know that's the narrative. But to me, it wasn't the turnovers to me. It was not score when we needed to fucking score. You know, and it wasn't like the turnovers were it wasn't that it was the Miss layups. It was the rebounds. Yesterday. We weren't even fucking trying to rebound dude. It's crazy. I was like, that's the part where you're like, Are you fucking kidding me? Like it's Game Six of the pumpkin finals. Can you try? I'll get in their bucket box out Rob. So it's kind of fun.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Jake Jaylen Brown can not play festal like even though he's one of the more athletic guys on the team Jaylen Brown cannot play fast it goes it goes back he had to there's a reason why T Mac is his favorite player of all time to Mac you know that that lazy just laid back guy you know do the one to dribble play he played very much like him. He said it's good to see you my god was he was but he plays for him was quite like him. He's as athletic. If not Yeah, for sure. But it's just the thing is what TMac could do anytime that rise up, rise up through a major range like to Mecca was ridiculous at that right but teammate was never sped up. Like he always played to his pace regardless of where he was at whether it be Toronto, Houston, what I relate. He always played in Orlando state always played at this pace. So that's where Jaylen Brown has gotta get what he plays under control is fucking unguardable Why is ridiculous? I think it's

Dave Clarke:

jump shot. I think his jump shot is borderline unguardable because he goes six inches higher than most fucking people when you shoot woking jump shot

Rob Kelly:

the thing with Jay, he's two different players, right. He's one player, pre four dribbles. And then he is a completely different player after He dribbles the ball about four to five times because he just it's like I don't know if it's in his head now or what it is, but like he, you could see it, he starts to panic. Once that ball is on the floor and he's dribbling in space, and he sees that defense coming in on him, he sees those hands broke. he panics so many times in that series where he would shoot like a turnaround jumper that had no shot, or you would just stop and have everyone collapse in on him. What he's got to do is exactly what we kept saying. He's got to drive with purpose. He's got to know where the fuck he's going. And when he does that, bro, like you said, He's fucking unguardable when Jaylen gets to his spots, man, he's unbelievable. But when he doesn't, he was just completely different player to me all series is like when you could call it out. You knew when he was about to turn the ball, I lose alley I know I did when he was driving him. And he would be up at the top of the three point line, drive to the corner of the key and then drive back over to the free throw line. And it would just be stuck in the middle of the fucking paint with the ball. And none of the Celtics are fucking moving. And then they collapse in let me turn the ball over.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, but in those situations, the exact same thing would happen and then right as he got to the freethought, he would pull up and he can make it like every single time right. Agree. So like his mid I was saying, like I swear to God, I said it at the start of every single game for the last 20 games. I was like Jaylen Brown mid range. Jaylen Brown, mid range Jaylen Brown 100. And this is the thing that the Celtics were doing overall, they kept giving up on shit that was working. Like they kept fucking doing that. And it's like that is incredibly that's been happening

Rayshawn Buchanan:

for years. For years. It's just like, it doesn't make any sense. Honestly, they were the last five years has been like that. Yeah. Right. It's just like, they would move the ball with Brian. And it's like, Oh, can we move the bullet? Let's Let's keep this what I saw. And it's just like, What the fuck like if you if it's not broke, don't fix it. And once again, it's like the driving kick to shoot a three and get that it's a it's a new game. You have to do that. Just to even just keep you in the game by getting to was whether it'd be mid res or ugly up stops the bleeding.

Dave Clarke:

I kind of did it they kind of did it yesterday that there was flashes of them doing it right the right way.

Rob Kelly:

Yeah. And

Rayshawn Buchanan:

the third quarter for sure. But the reason why go to stay had been so dominant these last, you know, seven, eight years. It really last decade. Honestly. They just score from everywhere on the floor. People slip to their threes. Oh my god, you know, they shoot threes from Halfboard.

Dave Clarke:

And their volume on threes is actually lower than I thought it was gonna be Oh,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

sure. But it's lower because to face it, okay, if I need to have a fake, they'll go and shoot it too.

Dave Clarke:

If that was working for us, too. And we stopped doing it.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

They just do it over and over again. And once again don't have been thinking about it that you know, we joked about Harrison Barnes over Harrison Barnes early on in their first one. He was good at that. Wiggins was phenomenal when that during that shot list is one of the best I've seen in the mid range like people forget how good he was because he had his torn ACL. But shortlisted for mid range was rip Amundson, but light skin later it was unbelievable. It was crazy. So I

Dave Clarke:

don't know what ribbon was on looks like behind the mask. She's not she's not selling a

Rayshawn Buchanan:

mask. And now he's on his latest on live as though Yeah, so I just think that there's just you have to be able to score from every part of the floor. And that's what is always separated gonna say so we can say oh, they're three pointing that three points shouldn't change the game. Fine. You said all you want but they get the analytics when they get to the hole they get to the cup better than most. And then they shoot the mirrors game.

Rob Kelly:

dutiful. Yeah, is it what's great is the Celtics can also do that as they get in their own house. Yeah, they get stuck in their own ways. And you know, I said this about when we're talking about Rob, is like they overcompensate for literally everything that happens throughout the course of like, an emotional high, you know, high stakes game is literally what they do. The entire goddamn game is like, oh, okay, we didn't play great that was so we're gonna step it up, we're gonna score you by 20. But then we've made our comeback already. So we're going to take our foot off the brakes a little bit, the driving kicks, he just felt like that they stopped driving kicks work, when your primary objective is to drive and to is to get to the

Dave Clarke:

basket, you have to establish the drive for

Rob Kelly:

your site. It's like a play action in football, they can't just be your secondary brother. It has to be your secondary they have to respect and truly believe that you're going to make that that take to the hoop. For that kick out to work. That's why it worked in Milwaukee. That's why it worked for us all these times. But when they know that you're just going to drive it into the hole and you're gonna get stripped or you're going to get stuff or you're gonna get knocked down and try and get the foul and it's not going to the driving kick ain't gonna work so just gonna shut you the fuck down. You know what I mean? And they just kept going to that same well I was like they just expected it eventually to work and that's such

Dave Clarke:

a frustrating thing because that like we talked about, they go away from stuff that is working and then they fucking stick to stuff that isn't right. They needed to fucking work like Like I right off the top my head rather than my head just without even really thinking about it. Why did we stop posting Marcus on stuff was working? Why do we stop? They just stopped. They didn't adjust. They didn't do anything to stop it. We just stopped doing it. Game for Tatum lights out at the very start of the game like he's just every time he touches the ball he's doing everything right he's gonna get it doesn't touch the ball again for 10 minutes. Jaylen Brown mid range set it every single fucking game. Jaylen Brown mid range it's working when he goes left. They're not going with them. They haven't adjusted keep murdering them until they adjust keep doing it until they just won't because it's I want to say it's a carryover from the Brad Stevens era honestly, because I think II May. And any coach really any basketball coach can only do so much. There has to be especially in the finals. There has to be a core group of guys that they're figuring it out for themselves. Like there just has to be and I think it's almost it's gonna be like a weird thing, but I'm going to try to explain it. It's almost like they play too much team basketball at times. Where I'm like, like, you don't have to stop being hot when you get hot. Like you can just stay hot. It's fun. I said that last? It's yeah, and it's like Dude, what happens if you just keep going to Jayson like okay, so it doesn't matter right we stopped going to him and we fuck up anyone we blow the lead? If you just keep going to him like just one he check shot just one like just want like just let him just check. You know what it's okay if he misses like that's when it's okay if he misses because he's made his last three. What they don't do that they don't move on to that next phase. Like if I could just take fucking Jimmy Butler's brain and just drop it into fucking Jayson Tatum his body I swear to God, whatever fucking championship right now. Doesn't matter. But

Rob Kelly:

that's where I'm at is like is that I get it. I know Taylor should be give me the fucking ball. I want the fucking ball.

Dave Clarke:

He needed to be that guy so many times and he just didn't do it in this final series, and it's very upsetting.

Rob Kelly:

But is it that he got Is he too young to he doesn't want to he respected doctor's opinion too much. And he was like, okay, ya know, what's running our offense? Let's do our thing. That game for broke that. So I reached out and you asked me earlier, another counter point in the series. So as to Jaylen free throws but also literally mean decay. We were ranting about it in discord at the time. That four minute stretch bro, where they didn't give the ball to Tatum and they ran four straight plays and and they're brave to for Marcus, like one for Derek white and one for Jaylen. And they were a result for for with like a turnover. And a by the time that stretch was over, we were back down like six to eight. And it's like Brooke Jayson Tatum was cooking. And that could have been what got him going. And you just want to wait for him and let the game flow get out of his hands, bro. And this.

Dave Clarke:

There's this fucking Kobe thing,

Rob Kelly:

right? Is someone with a bum shoulder man? If he's hitting those shots, and he's looking good? Like let him fucking let him shoot that goddamn ball, man.

Dave Clarke:

Well, you know, you know the story. I mean, there's been a million fucking stories about Kobe since he passed away. Well, one of the best ones is like we're getting our asses kicked. Forget it was talented, fucking, I don't know, Harrison bucking bars or some shit. Like on some podcast, they go into the locker room. They're getting their ass kicked. And he's like, Okay, here's the fucking deal. Every time we go up the floor, I touch the ball. Every single time we go to the floor I touch Oh, yeah, is that every single fucking time I go that's the deal that might ask it. I'm fucking telling you every time I need to touch the ball at least once. And honestly, it does two things. It makes the other team think about your star player. And it also gives your team an objective. You know, you go like Oh, like you have the 24 second clock offense then you had 14 second clock offense. You go like okay, we made Cobis touch the ball twice. Jason's touched the ball twice. That's our objective. But now we see where we're at. Because they when he touches the ball, the other team has to react. They have to fucking react to what he's about to do. And when that when we were doing that it was working. You know when work Christ almighty How good was he on a double team all fucking playoffs? He figured that out. Every time they double team him every single time he had it figured out until he didn't I mean like it's so re Come on. You know everything there is to fucking know about basketball. Like you have all the bucking knowledge in your head like, what am

Rob Kelly:

I know, right? I've not it was so consistent this series though. It was such a separate piece where it's like for the first three rounds when it Tatum was hot when he's cooking when 10 was being tainted.

Dave Clarke:

We know the day would be series to be honest with you, like comparably, but it's a different conversation.

Rob Kelly:

But like it just had such a different feel to it. You know, to me, it was so different. Were the most consistent thing. I said this entire finals. The number one thing is let Jayson Tatum fucking cook with him do his thing. And it just felt like I did. Good.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, no, I mean that that's part of the issue. Right? And obviously, and we know we go back and think about a year ago when they hired me, and he mentioned that you know the scene wasn't good when they came to the CES, you know, they're so good to prove on and he definitely was right they became a really great team. When it came to ballroom however, there's moments where like you said, you have to say, You know what? I need the ball and we will get out the way I think I remember the might have been I don't know if it was in the playoffs, but I remember I might have been the first year that Paul our you know, the bigotry of that together. And you know, this is one occasion and we're doing press conferences together after the games and they say you know, kg the what what was the game plan tonight? He said the plan was to get the ball to Paul, and we'll get the fuck out the way Yeah, remember that? It isn't just This is Kevin Garnett both and Tom Olivar it might have been it might have been there might have been might have been so yeah, so it's like get the border pour period here by the way. So this is a cave D this this to establish was was the best player on our team say to give the ball to Paul. So there's certain moments when I say I have to give the game what the game requires. There was certain games that said that if a good wife potato to be that guy that we saw against his against Milwaukee and not the guy that we saw in game seven against Miami where it was like even though he added 26 points, but it was like okay, well I'm gonna get to know the difference. That's cool, but it's just like broke. We needed 3510 and eight and I said you couldn't even get to 20 Here it's a it's a shame because I say he is someone that can get divorced again. You can Yeah, you can say it's ridiculous but you know, he was making so many of the great reads and reacted properly most of the time because I just think that sometimes when this team in general has to do too much thinking and it's wild to do with your professionals but when you have to do too much thinking that's when the game becomes muddy for that for whatever reason. So when they just say okay, I'm just gonna go and just play bass why we're

Dave Clarke:

so good at starting you know we're so good at

Rayshawn Buchanan:

100 So it was predicted the

Dave Clarke:

Warriors knew that they were like we're going to weather a storm really but that's that Yeah,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

but that's exactly what that's where I'm just like where I said this before you would you would join us after the after the tears shedding you know, they they basically it was like okay, guys are told to Alright, unfortunately to curry comes down to three

Dave Clarke:

we didn't even we didn't even leave the first quarter with the lead

Rayshawn Buchanan:

and honestly I mean you know so you know so much that you know you're you would check it out our chat I was like this game was over I it was odd to me it was already over after the first time i You can't you cannot be up 10 Already and then be down by five or six. Like they only like the only skill asset and early on but the only score 27 More points after that moment is

Dave Clarke:

getting real. Like long the longest run by a team in a finals ever. Right for the last 50 years or whatever. You know,

Rob Kelly:

we have 14 points in three minutes and then we had 37 points

Dave Clarke:

that's mental though. It's mental you're not you don't just forget you don't forget how to shoot basketball you know? You're Marcus smart you don't forget how to fucking score fucking layup. You know if you're Jaylen Brown and I forget how to shoot a jump shot.

Rob Kelly:

Real quick. I guys did that that thinking point that you made? is I think that's that's such

Dave Clarke:

a fuckin eight second offense to be honest with you. I was in Phoenix Suns. In, in what year? Was that fun? No. I

Rayshawn Buchanan:

mean, it'd be exciting. But then you still don't win. So

Dave Clarke:

don't you though? Like if you're that talented?

Rob Kelly:

I don't know. Whatever. We don't need to get it. Yeah,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I mean, yeah, they had NASA tomorrow satellite,

Dave Clarke:

but I know. But like the shooting? I don't know. It doesn't matter.

Rob Kelly:

You know, even they traded for Shaq. That was the downfall

Rayshawn Buchanan:

that's absolute, unforgettable seasons. blockout literally.

Rob Kelly:

So even in those moments, right, where they try and stop thinking and speed up, when they've already gotten into that mindset. I think this all goes back to like that overcorrecting thing, where it's like, you know, they try and move at a quick pace. They try and do things Criss. After they've gotten into that stalled mindset, because that was such a big thing in game six, where they just stalled, and they just stopped moving, they stopped, you know, getting that extra pass, they stopped doing all these things. And then all of a sudden, they go to this other mode, where they go too fast. For their moment where they're not, they don't take a step back and think about the moment they're in and think about, okay, this is the time where we need to stop. This is the time where we need to go ahead and make that extra pass and do these things. And that's usually when we get those big turnovers and missed free throws, or whatever the case may be. It's just I just think it all comes back man and we I hate to be this guy for like the third fucking straight year. But like it all comes back to inexperience and how much more experienced the other team was. And they knew when those big moments were in the game, they knew how to recognize those moments and capitalize on them. When the Celtics were in a big moment. Think about this series. When they were in a moment where they had to do something to either win the game, stay in the game come We come back whatever the case may be. They didn't just like kind of they fucking blew it. When the worries were in a moment where they needed to extend their leader they needed that motivation push what happened? Pools hate and half court shots. Stefan Curry's hitting 34 footers, Dre monta and fucking corner threes. There's just this

Dave Clarke:

left trim on open for the entirety of the first three fucking games. So like eventually those are going to start falling. Yeah. Like, like when

Rob Kelly:

you look at the whole series as a whole it's like I get the overreaction. I get to, you know, the shittiness and how we I'm even feeling but you got to think about how six finals to zero. That is such a big, such a big disparity. You know what I mean? And Jaylen Jayson even out all these guys are experiencing the pace of this game. Everything from the NBA finals for the first time. Stephen Curry watching that shit like it was Saturday night at a restaurant and he was the best bartender on Tuesday. Jayson Tatum is the waiter over here who's worked three one shifts. You know what I mean? Come on, like good. This is This is fucking comparison.

Dave Clarke:

At the same on the same token, I appreciate that man. I think that was very good. But on the same token, I just I want to ask you guys to correct me if I'm wrong. Like there was. Look, I love Jayson Tatum. I'm not jumping on the bandwagon of hating on him. I don't think he's mentally weak. That remains to be seen. I agree with you that like it's

Rob Kelly:

hard. Is it a bandwagon? Just two and a half years too early?

Dave Clarke:

Yeah. That's what I do. I'm like, I'm like Palpatine and Star Wars, you know, like both armies are actually money but no, I mean, honestly, the Yeah, well, I mean, that was stupid though. Looking down that I said that like, I mean, if we're being honest here like just to post content creation. I was trying to say controversial shit. Like, here we fucking are. We have a podcast people are listening. I'm trying to just tell you the truth now, but I gotta ask this honest question. You're gonna fucking I told you guys I didn't like that fucking armband. Like I didn't like that fucking armband. I didn't like that Instagram post, you know? Yeah, I don't wear purple and gold and green like it's it's that but forget all that. Forget all the pageantry of and I love pageantry of any kind as you guys know, but forget all the fucking Patrick's you ever forget all that stuff that you're like putting forward you want to be like Kobe Bryant? Here's how you're emulating Kobe Bryant so far. You're a really good jump shooter. You can slash you know I I don't know if you guys remember when Kobe first came into league he was fucking pure slasher you know? Like, he was just fucking like dribbling all over the fucking

Rob Kelly:

he almost invented the arrow step in the NBA. Yeah. And brought it back. You know, you've

Dave Clarke:

got a bunch of different ways to score you can make your own shot. That's how you're emulating Kobe Bryant. Here's what I'd love you to work on the offseason. Hey, I'd love you to get a postgame. That'd be great. We'd love that if you could go to the postgame store by yourself postgame that'd be amazing. Just like what started what's he doing? Can you like just go work out with you all summer like that'd be great. Regardless of that, stop being trying to be like Kobe, when it comes to jump shooting in, you know, floaters and turnaround jello shots. Kobe Bryant was a fucking psycho. He wanted to win above anything else. Anything else? When you get there, when you're up here gets there. That's when you can start to say he's my dude. You know who Kobe is dude was Michael Jordan. Kobe thought he could be Michael Jordan one on one from the fuck first day he stepped onto a fucking basketball court. All right. He's too nice of a guy sometimes. Do it. Like am I out of line saying that he's too fucking nice of a guy. Sometimes he needs a little bit

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more.

Dave Clarke:

He needs to be a bigger prick. You know what I mean? Like just be a bigger asshole. Like, just it's that that gives you get the fuck out of my way to all the guys in the team. And that gives you the other fucking remember when Dre might like us? I disagree with you Ray when he said that dream on punctum like, but the whole fucking ball thing. I really wanted him to turn around and be like, fucking take the ball. Fucking take the ball. Fuck you. Fuck you in his shit. But he's kind of walking away. Like, you're not taking it in his own way trying to do his thing. Be an asshole. In those situations. You're the best fucking player on the court. If you want to be like be a prick. Am I wrong? You can also you played for the Boston Celtics like, well, we'll ride with you. It's cool.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

No, I totally agree. I think that you know, that Mark says to be develop obviously, Toby came up with the womb, a natural born killer right? Gustus sounds IceCube. Well, he was just he just someone that just came out of the womb say I am and

Dave Clarke:

I just found out his kid played him in that movie.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Rob Kelly:

Yeah, it was so good.

Dave Clarke:

It was just like this, but I was like, I don't know.

Rob Kelly:

Ice Cube and da drum like Wow,

Dave Clarke:

it's so fucking good. And then he was like, just and I was like, Wait, that's ice cubes, kiddies. Oh, it looks just like I do. Sorry, yeah,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

it was a den of thieves too. But it was like another seven of them anyway but Frank Fuck him. It is It was great. Yeah. But yeah, I mean listen He has to be was he has to develop the mentality for sure JB definitely has it already. You know, we've seen it at times. So I think Tim just has to get there but I want to transition to his last point. I know we're getting a little long on time. So now we've dissected we've tried yelled and screamed above the player this is over video we've got there we're so now we're answered offseason obviously, there's not much draft wise because they had they only have the 53rd Pick. They traded their first record San Antonio this year or this year or next year. The biggest swap was in Antonio so did I did he I just did not do a much draft wife so no. decaf start with you. But just what do you think going into the offseason we need to do to improve the team and just you know who also plays you would like to see? Maybe join the Celtics in the offseason.

Dave Clarke:

Bradley Beal afford him I have no fucking idea but Come play with your buddy. Come play with your friend take a pay cut. His fucking shooting like you know his spot and fucking jump shooting like would be instrumental as an overall theme and like I won't prattle on about this for too long. I would love to get I think his name is Claxton from Brooklyn because he's a free agent this year and he's probably gonna resign with them but he's like Rob Williams was like two years ago and I think they could absolutely be the Smash Brothers in the frontcourt like he's got all the things he also has the thing where he played like 30% of the season or some shit because he's like always bucking injured but he's got all those same quality it's perfect because exactly right right. But I just think what I would love to do no it's fine maybe you could get maybe you could get them to be injured when Rob isn't and Rob works out great. combined make one healthy player right? No, I really do think he's good and I think that he's coming into his own and I think size wise he's like perfect for the way that we play basketball like Rob Williams is perfect for the way we play basketball. I think getting robbed wins 200% Then they need to spend time money center fucking Germany I you know, I don't know I don't know what it is but just give him just replace the shit that he was breaking inside of him like a fucking like a car and give him a rest you know? A load management and the rainy season anyway. Yeah, I know. It's just if he got if he was 100% Though anyway, it doesn't Oh, so. The point being Claxton be great. If we got a blog post you sign that Bradley Beal it'd be great. I don't think we can afford Zack Levine who's like probably the most prominent free agent coming up. I'm not even sure he would fit because like, Evan Fournier was like a really shitty version of Zach Lavine. And it wasn't even that every Fournier was good. It was like it just didn't really make sense in our team for whatever reason. I think the biggest thing we need to do to be honest with you, is I just like don't want to rely on the Grant Williams is of the worlds to win a series again. I don't want to rely on the derrick whites the world win a series. I think if Derek White was our ninth best guy, instead of like our seventh best guy, I think we would have been in much better shape. So and you know, a scoring wing guy that can like really spell Jayson and Jaylen so they they they kind of don't have to spell each other because I think they figured out how to play at the same time in a really effective way. Like obviously we may just fucking NBA Finals. Yes, some sort of guy like that. I know I've been banging the drum about our frontcourt but like I like our phone coordinator. Like I think as a great rebounder, I think is an underrated rebounder. To be honest with you. I think he always takes it the right position. I think I don't see any reason why he can't run it back again. I think you should sign him you know to whatever i He already got his incentives this year. He already got an extra 5 million or whatever it was just by making it this far. So like he's fine. And I think Rob if he stays healthy is great. Like we talked about extensively. I think he's really leveled up. I mean, what I liked DeAndre Aiden if he was available shirt, but like, fuck it. You know what I mean? I think our frontcourt is fine. I really think like an additional wing to take the load off those guys. I know Mike has been banging the drum for like a pure point guard. But like again, like, is that basketball now? Like do we need like, do we need Rajon Rondo on this team? You know like we don't have spot up jump shooters. We moved the basketball we try to they might though. I mean I take Rajon run. I would literally take Rajon Rondo right now no problem so we can play a half court game a little bit more effectively but we do play this kind of position is basketball thing that works so I don't mind Marcus at the one to be honest with you. I know Bobby was talking shit about him when I got here. But like, I mean, you guys told me you really think we need like a true point guard.

Rob Kelly:

So I have an answer for who that target could be for you. doesn't break the bank. He's not too much. Ricky Rubio. Yeah, he's gonna say that is a guy who I know the South. Doesn't

Dave Clarke:

he break the bank? What was his last contract?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

It's no he's he's he's a he's a nine to nine to $12 million a year player. Like, that's nothing in the NBA. No, yeah, he's not

Dave Clarke:

like Ricky Rubio. Weird.

Rob Kelly:

Another one who's not much of a pure guard. He's kind of the derrick white mold Dante Aksum. I've been hearing a lot of looking at him. Yeah, he's he's, he's a big one. He's at Derrick white market. SMART goal is that same type of guy where he can score some nights he A's offers a lot of nights but he's always good on defense. So a little exactly what we like so and the other guy obviously Bill I don't see a way where we were talking about this earlier if we go after Bill Marcus has to go in my opinion

Dave Clarke:

he has to that's completely fine that's good different tier that's a different tier of

Rob Kelly:

Player I completely agree but young man that's the only move or that's the only thing I would be okay with breaking up the core that just went over that hump everything exactly been over over markets it's a different position well if you're going to do that then you need to have some cap room

Rayshawn Buchanan:

not necessarily but that he's that he's a big he's let me a six six right whichever position was best if you could get Lavina

Rob Kelly:

Tatum and brown

Rayshawn Buchanan:

guy would be also 123 at that grade he's had a defender all those little those other two art but he didn't take your six six you could find a way to be that

Dave Clarke:

guy this bottom jumpsuit like a pure shooter. Yes. Is that still

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I've been given my person to meet I didn't know about it was done but I'm like we wanted to talk about Yeah,

Rob Kelly:

no, I got one and I don't know if it's gonna be popular. I don't know how we're gonna feel about this. DUNCAN ROBINSON I think is a guy that would be really good in this situation because he's that spot up shooter he's what the Celtics wanted Derrick white to be in that Milwaukee series he you know what I mean? These were they wanted

Rayshawn Buchanan:

these books to be read. Exactly.

Dave Clarke:

Maybe Nice. Smith can go up a level though. You know,

Rob Kelly:

I hope I love Nisa. So I hope so. I don't see it anymore. Yeah. I'm trying real

Dave Clarke:

hard, though. Like his effort was up yet.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

It's a great job. But,

Dave Clarke:

ya know, when he was out there meant the game was over.

Rob Kelly:

It was down. Yeah, except for that first game that he was but he was. He was just talking to Doug and Rob's gonna win Tatum. I don't either, but I can tell you this man. Went Tatum gets doubled or when brown gets doubled or whatever. And they do that kick out. Cross court pass to our guard. Standing on the wing wide open for three. You better believe I'm going to feel a lot better about that shot.

Dave Clarke:

When are you paying 20 million a year for him like Are you Are we really are you really selling that out? Like that's too much. You can pay 20 million a year for Duncan

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Ross. Oh do you know what though he made finished it up though.

Rob Kelly:

I was just gonna keep fit right into the TV that's

Rayshawn Buchanan:

the case that he doesn't count anymore kind of just the salary that he's gonna get and that's the case go get him if that's the case but I'm not the biggest fan but that's the case yeah for sure difficult get them out that leaves it to what I was gonna talk about that he's also in the same state I loved her this was I do I'm military. I've been in tears Ross guy for a long time is so you don't want to fight 31 days but tears Ross But dad do can go you want to talk about a guy that could give buckets needed like David David livestock or him immediate like that is

Dave Clarke:

to spend the money on my Jeff's to

Rob Kelly:

stop by let's just Dave's like bears. Dave's A Bear Stearns of Dysport stock.

Dave Clarke:

I'm just smoking. Your stocks in play? It's on I do know exactly why you like him though. And I do like him too. But

Rayshawn Buchanan:

well, he's a weird guy. You know? He's a guy. This isn't the guy that hasn't really been spoken about Willie Cauley Stein. I think it's someone that can be a viable backup to rob.

Dave Clarke:

We'll just say he's gonna He's gonna be like your same type of guy. He's got a

Rayshawn Buchanan:

job that debt but that's fine. Rob is not gonna be on the curls that you need someone to ask yourself.

Dave Clarke:

Is it taste replace upgrade? He's a dentist. Exactly. Yeah. And he's

Rayshawn Buchanan:

seven when he's on a shooter, obviously. But he's seven one.

Dave Clarke:

If you're over seven feet, you can be on the Celtics. According to what

Rayshawn Buchanan:

think about this was just comparison when he came to market 2014. Visually, he was on a consecutive team that had Oh, it was sad for me. Right but you know, he also played behind Kenyon College because they both won two consecutive but think of a modern day Tyson Chandler that's who Willie Cauley Stein is. he cashed out the room that a defendant at a good level or maybe even his former teammate, Rashad Holmes is someone I would trade for in a heartbeat I think he his energy is what Boston would need. He rebounds well we will punch it out of bounds and let you know it like I think he's another guy but yeah Terrence Ross for shareholders Bucco Stein and all those guys as

Dave Clarke:

a free agent this year that I will get just so the other teams that use don't have them as PJ Tucker

Rob Kelly:

you stole that from Yeah,

Dave Clarke:

yeah just literally get them so that they don't have them and he'll defend the wings for you when he can you know like he was effective

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, and guys that had that push that push just bring it down. You can have him regret together out there. You can help

Rob Kelly:

Brent I think maybe it's good for grant man you'd be so good for him.

Dave Clarke:

He could see it he then he could be then you could make them into like a sample cell type in the deeper ruins of the playoffs. If Brent steps up you know

Rayshawn Buchanan:

he could be Like a player coach on deliver on time.

Dave Clarke:

I mean, I like his mentality. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah, for sure

Rayshawn Buchanan:

for sure. One

Rob Kelly:

more hypothetical, right. Jalen Brunson from Marcus smart would you do

Rayshawn Buchanan:

No, no, no, he was a beautiful he's going to backup smart sure he's gonna He's gonna not I'm not

Rob Kelly:

taking a backup at this point

Rayshawn Buchanan:

he's an all star but he'll get New York City at New York City to pay him but it all started with his wife. I got exciting there so the works here first. He's gonna fly apart. What do next? You know, just go out there. And Craig to put that on there. You heard it here at MCP first Jaylen Barcelona go sign in New York or you know, someone's gonna give him a big deal. But

Rob Kelly:

either way, three days. Yeah,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I've done that. That would be great. At first I was in Dallas. Right? Dallas had Jamal Mashburn. Jason Kidd and, and Jim Jackson back in the day. so hear me out. Hear me

Dave Clarke:

out. Hear me. Hear me a veteran minimum. John. Well, let's just see. Let's just see. Let's just see if he's got one more left in left.

Rob Kelly:

I'll give you this. I'll give you this. That's better than Mike Russell Westbrook take last year. Oh my. Yeah. Come

Dave Clarke:

on. Come on. You know what the worst. The absolute worst part about that the Lakers heard the fucking show. They're like, Yeah, let's forget. Well, Mike, good job, Mike.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Well done. That's great. That's how we'll close it out. So the real BKD cases. Our executive producer, Craig D'Alessandro, ombre Shaumbra. Kid and we'll see you next time. Peace.