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Celtics loose to the Cavs again, Ime Udoka could be next Nets Coach, Kyrie Irving promoting anti-semitism

Celtics loose to the Cavs again, Ime Udoka could be next Nets Coach, Kyrie Irving promoting anti-semitism

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The Boston Celtics have struggled the last few games after a strong start to the season, losing to the Chicago Bulls and Cleveland Cavaliers twice. With the team allowing an average of over 100 points per game, Rob Williams absence has been glaring. With Time Lord out until at least December recovering from knee surgery, the Celtics need to make a move to sure up the center position and secure some more rebounds. We break down the possible moves the Celtics could make in-season.

With the news that the Brooklyn Nets fired their head coach Steve Nash, suspended Celtics head Coach Ime Udoka has emerged as the favorite to land the Brooklyn job. Was it a mistake for the Celtics to make him available, and allow him to leave for the job without compensation from Brooklyn? And why didn't Brad Stevens, Wyc Grousbeck, and the Celtics front office tell the players about the Ime investigation?

Finally, Kyrie Irving has been suspended by the Brooklyn Nets without pay for at least 5 games after a series of anti-Semitic comments and posts on social media targeting the Jewish community. Was the suspension enough, and where do we go from here?
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TIMESTAMPS
5:57 Robert William's absence is glaring. 
8:57 The Celtics need to play better now
11:40 Miles Turner
17:04 Ime Udoka's respect amongst Celtics players
22:09 Why didn’t Brad Stevens and Wyc tell the players about the Ime Situation? 
25:45 Matt Barnes Interview. 
30:04 The Kyrie Irving Anti-Semitism saga
41:32 Even after the donations and the press releases, Kyrie won't apologize or say he's not antisemitic
48:34 Why he’s being looked at as a genius now? 
52:36 Charles Barkley and Shaquille O’Neal endorse suspending Kyrie Irving 

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Dave Clarke:

Welcome into missing the point I am your host for this wondrous occasion I am DK sizzle with my forgot there for a second I'm here with, I'd say what we would consider the OG basketball crew here on on MTP. Although all all folks are welcome all of the six are welcome to come talk about basketball but the three of us do I think get a lot of enjoyment out of it. I'm here with the real BK Bob Kelly and Hollywood Rayshawn. Buchanan

Rob Kelly:

was the last time but was the last time we were all together was the funeral of the last year Celtics.

Dave Clarke:

I haven't I haven't seen you guys since the funeral. Yeah, I mean, we've done some other shows. But yeah, on this subject matter. Yes. This is the first time we've been together since the Celtics unceremoniously bounced out of the NBA finals by the Golden State Warriors. And that's we're here to talk about we're here to talk about basketball and the goings on in the world of basketball, of which there is quite a lot. So we are going to start with the Celtics as we are, you know, a sort of a New England flavored podcast, a little Boston macchiato, if you will. But we are going to go on to talk about the obvious elephant in the room in the world of the NBA. And if you don't know what we're talking about, stick around because it's, it's there's some there's some fun stuff going on the issue with this show today, guys, is that, yeah, we're going to talk about the Celtics, and we're going to talk about what constitutes them as a good or not good basketball team and what they need to do to get better and what they've done wrong and what they've done well, but the majority of what we're going to talk about today is actually got nothing to do with fucking basketball, which always annoys me, when people put me in that in that chair, talk about shit that, you know, we really, we really just we just wanted to talk hoops. But today, we're gonna have to talk about a bunch of other shit. I'm sure it's going to be still be interesting. But let's at least start with with our favorite sport and the association that runs at the National Basketball Association, and our favorite team, the Boston Celtics. Now, longtime listeners of this show will know that we have differing approaches, Ray and I and Ray and Bobby and Bobby and I to watching this Celtics team, I like to think I'm somewhere in the middle of you two guys, Bobby being this sort of eternal optimist and raving eternal pessimist when it comes to the Celtics. And both, I think, for good reason. But Ray, I'm gonna start with you. Because you know, you and I have had sort of fractured conversations via via text about where the Celtics team is, and where they're going. So on a broad level, talk to me about the holes that you've seen and why you think they're there. I know specifically, we're going to talk about rebounding and defense. But when you talk about the defense, are you worried that it is an EMA isn't here situation? Or is it because it's not as if the personnel has really changed that much? Or is it because we're not getting rebounds? Or what do you think is going on in Boston right now?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Honestly, I think it's an effort thing. Right. And I think your effort in control so much of what goes on, so whether it's on defense for this on offense, once again, the offense has been fine. We've talked about, you know, what has gone well, offensively, but you know, rebounding is effort. Garni your yard is what they call it is, is effort. So the effort hasn't been there on certain plays. But I also think is tied to them playing long minutes. So far, like two out of the seven games, which was back to back with Cleveland has been has been overtime. Right? So I think the latter game was always had to if I'm not mistaken. So the fact that he played so many minutes early on, and obviously it's a shorter preseason, obviously, the officer offseason turmoil with losing him a joker, you know, even though John was a little was there as an assistant, you know, he obviously knows how to implement what he's looking to do. And right now, currently, once again, we're not saying we're there's going to be an end game 82. But right now it's currently constructed. He is over or he is in over his head. Did you ask me, I said, between that, and I said, between the lack of effort on the defense side of the ball, and just just the personality to write is a personal thing, obviously, when you miss time, Lord, you know, there's a lot of things that add to what was happening, but yeah, it looks bad. And, you know, I have been pissed to say the least. And I'm pretty sure I'll get pissed as we continue to speak about that. Because a lot of things they need to work on on that side of the ball, but don't just my initial thoughts. Is that that to me as what's been happening with them thus far?

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, I mean, I agree with you, in the broad strokes for sure. I think that I think that the thing that's annoying me the most is the you know, you saw how upon them I was when we were first kicking the shit out of the Cavs in the first game we played against them. And I think what's clear is that not only has Jaylen Brown gone up a level but the partnership between him and Jayson Tatum has finally gotten to a point where that we've all sort of been waiting for where they kind of play off each other perfectly. Now they're ending every game with like a similar point total and end points scored in different ways. They're both I think playing defense at a higher level than a lot of superstar wings would in this league, and I wish that the rest of the team would help them out a little bit more. But you did say something interesting, and that is the absence of Time Lord Bobby, you and I've talked about this story. touchdown the sentiment at this point in the in the season. And at this point in the construction of this team, Rob Williams, I can't really be relied on at this point. The problem with him specifically, I think, is that when he's out there, he's so fun to watch. He's so effective. He's, he's such a big part of why we're good defensively, why we're much better on the boards, but also, like, he's just such a great player to watch. And it's hard to, I wouldn't say turn on him. But it's hard to start to have the conversation. It's a difficult conversation to have, where we just sort of have to go on the facts and the facts of the case is, he's just not there when you need them. We need them right now. When you you know, we needed to start the season and set a good precedent. And we needed them at 100% health in the playoffs last season, and he just wasn't clearly wasn't at 100%. What do you think? Do we need to go get somebody as good as him? Is he is he tradable at this point? Or do we just kind of have to roll the dice and face the our championship hopes on Rob Williams is neat.

Rob Kelly:

I mean, I feel like that's what the organization kind of put us in the position to do, you know, and it's been like this for a few years where wasn't when Rob's in there. There's there's no doubt about it. They're one of the best defensive teams in the league. You saw it at the end of last year. He was really the pivotal part of what made us that top defense. But at the same time it's just seems like we're putting our eggs in the same basket every goddamn year and those eggs come out broken every single time. You know what I mean? It's so glaring that we're missing his legs we're missing his rebounding were missing so much when he's not in there. It's just kind of crazy to me if they still haven't done something to back that up like what what about Blake? Blake Griffin is barely even seeing the court so far this year.

Dave Clarke:

That guy's a sec guys warming to see it on the on the kid bus.

Rob Kelly:

It's It's just I just I just don't understand why we can't get an impact big in here, but I don't understand it. I'm not ready to get all over them right now. Because there's a lot of weird stuff happening in the NBA like the Sixers aren't playing great warriors aren't playing great, obviously like the Lakers are wondering for that's a whole different fiasco. But it's very weird, though. I can tell you why. It's pretty awful. Yeah. But it's it's very early. And I feel like there's a lot going on for this team right now for them to put that extra effort up that we saw last year, you know, whatever we went through with the whole email thing, having a new coach Jayson Tatum, our are pretty much the entire team right now. Like the rest of the sport gases. Absent most games progress has been pretty good. But it's just it's early. It's we're for what four and three now? Four and three. Yeah, and

Dave Clarke:

are three looks like really different than five and two, though, you know, it's one of those. It's one of those records where it's like, what a really like to be five and two. I you know,

Rob Kelly:

two of the losses were in overtime. And their games, technically, like last year, so both of those games right

Dave Clarke:

yeah, both had terrible refereeing decisions that right at the end, which is a you know, don't put yourself in a position that for the rest of the game, kind of bitched about the refs.

Rob Kelly:

Jaylen locks at shot down what I'd say 5050 I didn't love that.

Dave Clarke:

I didn't love the play. To be honest. I

Rob Kelly:

didn't either.

Dave Clarke:

But I mean regardless, like as as an entire as a theme and we'll come back to you on this one. We played the best basketball I think you would agree of the playoffs when we were playing two bigs and those two bigs were Rob and Al. And I think that we had some guys come in that could sort of play a similar if not the same style as those two guys that that made us run a really tall, really athletic and really fast fast paced, offensive and defensive basketball. We still play our best basketball with two bigs except we've got one of the entire rosters so I guess same question back to you. We're How do you feel about this whole Rob Williams thing? Like are we going to be able to survive based on if he's healthy or not? Or do we really need to make a move? And if we do need to make a move? Is it to get it to get an impact big or do you have something else in mind?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Well, I mean, you know you and I spoke about this at length decay. I know we know we know Barbie doll for the guards but you know at this mall it guards is not the problem on the seam you know even though people will hop with Marcus smart last night after that bullshit shot, and over time, but that's another he likes

Dave Clarke:

to say bullshit shots.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Right? Is that Yeah, here we can get it you know, we could touch on that in a moment. But yeah, mustache has not wavered that they need it has to happen now like can I wait so Christmas Day Against Milwaukee to say you know what, for the New Year guys, we got you we're gonna get you know a player. Now, for those that are looking to get Victor when Bayamo out of France, you know, they teams maybe on loading on talent because

Dave Clarke:

yeah, we don't have enough resources to get to the point where we have to draft and we'd have to change you'd have to start

Rayshawn Buchanan:

all I'm not saying that when I say to get him but I'm saying choose what I say you know what? We don't need a certain player. You know, you can have them you know, for like a second rounder or whatever and go from there. Now. I got I know I've talked about Dwight Howard. I've talked about You know, we talked about Melo in the offseason, you know, coming here, but another guy that I thought about and by Bobby may appreciate this morning UDK because we know, you know, our running joke on the show was that you know, you know you're not a fan of Toronto but there's a guy up there in Toronto when I'm talking to myself at Christmas shaker did not not portrayed him. But another guy he's hired to actually play it in Orlando last few seasons, as I can Burke's can birds. Someone like a shoe with three? You know, it's not gonna get to 10 rebounds a night, but can it be those five? Can it be those five rebounds a night that which other team that led to points in the paint? Absolutely. And you know, he's another six knives. It's 10 guy. I think he is someone that can you know, can be that fourth big and I'm sorry, I understand those that love Him. I met him behind the scenes. I liked Luke Canet coordinate tube I do. He's a really nice guy. He's not the answer, though. At the fucking answer. He's not. It's not. And I'm just like, ah, should

Rob Kelly:

I coordinate breath you know, like the murder coordinate.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

So I liked it. The nickname was great. nickname was better than your play, bro. So it's a problem. Same thing with the dancing bear with gursha Yeah, precisely. The fact that we were all to destiny where it doesn't again does wide. Like he was looking like me on the bench. Chelan la I was at the YMCA is out of control. So I to me, I just think you got to call Masai ujiri. I had to call Minnesota as well. I've talked about this on our group chat, now is read would be perfect for him here. He will be right. He's Rob Light. It will be perfect here. But he just shoot the rock a suit. That was with the shoot. So that's

Dave Clarke:

gonna be great. If we could put something together for Myles Turner. I mean, I know we've been talking about this for three

Rayshawn Buchanan:

years. That's a pipe dream. He's going to LA to support the fact that he

Dave Clarke:

already wants to why would he want to? I don't he's leaving when at the end of his contract. Right. I know what his contract is. But I would imagine that the end of his contract, he's gonna go to a big market team.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Sure. But the reason why I think he was looking to go there. At the end of the day, you're we're all human right? You want to go where you want it. So the fact that it's been put out there for Wolds is Sam's and any other media pundits has talked about that that's plugged into what LA is looking for, and what they're willing to give. First picks, like always players, like you want to go with your one and Indiana's had him on the chair on the trending block for for several

Dave Clarke:

years. I wish I wish to subscribe to the podcast because he would feel very wanted by me.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, no, I mean, for sure. We would love to interview him. But I just think that's really where that premise comes from for him and yes, that that would be at the top of the top criminal

Dave Clarke:

because to me, it's like Rob is him like, you know what I mean? Like it's we're not getting like a ROB like we're getting and I would fucking trade Rob for a heartbeat to be quite honest with you. But I think I you know, I agree with you that we're not probably not going to get the Jeter Downs or the miles Turner's or the Pascale siakam To the world on the team. I get that. But what about bowl bowl?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Well, you know he was here. Yeah, but like, let's

Dave Clarke:

go get him back. He's like, way better now.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, no, I mean, me personally, I'm all set. Really? I'm rebounding

Dave Clarke:

numbers look good.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Sure. But that's a lot of people. The numbers are inflated down in Orlando. Like I'm not I'm not basing it on what I've seen down there with him

Rob Kelly:

something in the air other than seven this year. He's 11.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, I still I mean, Greg and maybe I haven't tested me up to like he's, he's cool to people's but now I'm doing

Rob Kelly:

the same job. She's like, Yeah, no, I

Rayshawn Buchanan:

don't work there. But I'm I just to me, I don't think that whatever you see happening down there, because he's getting the opportunities down there. We will not see appear. And advantage we're immediately get annoyed and say, Oh, he's though he

Dave Clarke:

would get two minutes. They also have you heard that he is in fact so nice. They named him twice. Alright, fine, maybe not believable. But I think I think we gotta fucking go get somebody or we gotta get rob some robot legs. I like the alternative. But, you know, I think this does sort of shine. It does sort of shine a light on a larger theme at play here. And the thing I think I've only really worried about in the last few minutes before, you know, settling down for a long winter's nap. Deep in the darkness in my room. I've only really worried about this. I haven't quite said it out loud. And it's that about you did pretty pretty abruptly at the start Ray and it's that Joe Missoula does look a little in over his head. I think that the thing that's worrying me is that EMA had specific things that he had to correct about this basketball team. And he corrected those things. And it's those things that are creeping back into the team now and it's it's you know, I mean, there's there's a list there's a plethora of things you can sort of rattle off but tenacious, defending went to defend defending a lead which he didn't even really get us all the way there. But but he definitely got us a lot better at blowing leads. There's also this other insidious thing where yes, we've gone to two overtimes. Yes, the Cavs are a good team and probably a better team than a lot of people, not us, we were actually saying they were going to be pretty good. But probably better than a lot of people were giving them credit for it. But I don't love our two overtime performances. I don't love the fact that and again, it's early like Bobby said, I don't overreact. But I don't love the fact that we were just gritting it out and multiple playoff series against some of the best teams in the NBA. The mental exhaustion that I went through watching the book series, and Yan is just fucking getting whatever he wanted up until he finally had enough arrows in him to fall down. The like the fact that we're going to overtime with the calves like that should be our bread and butter, whether we're there or we're here at their house or our house, that should be our bread and butter. It's like, okay, we have the reserves, we've trained for this, we have the reserves to go and win this game if we want. And the decision making and the energy levels and God the rebounding in overtime has just looked so fucking pitiful that it worries me that Joe Missoula, I'm sure he's a nice guy. I'm sure he's a good coach, but he's very young. And he's he's not that much older than a lot of these players. Like I wonder what him and Al Horford age differences because he's 34. Right? How old is out like 30 to 36. So they are fucking al Horford is older than our head coach. Right. So, you know, at this point, we're, we're looking at it at a situation where we can't afford to slide like we did at the start of last season. So if you're Brad Stevens, what do you do? I mean, it's gonna lead us into the larger email conversation, but I do want to top touch on Bobby. Joe Missoula. First, do you agree with me that he looks this way? I I don't love how Grant Williams talks to him. It belies a it belies a little bit less respect than I think he should have for the fucking coach. Like, a couple of times. I was like, Grant Dude, shut the fuck up. Like, well,

Rob Kelly:

that's, that's really what it boils down to, I think is the respect factor, man, when you looked at eBay, they they had his back and he had theirs. And like, there was such a mutual level of respect between him as a coach and them as players. And like, they responded to him, and like they've responded to anyone else. You know what I mean. And that's what it boils down to. I don't think Joe's there. And I mean, as much as we love Tatum, brown, they have those bad habits. And I don't think those bad habits were really like, got done away with, they were just kind of put in the back pocket, you know what I mean? And, and you, you do see them creep up at the ends of these games, and the rebounding portion of men is the most frustrating part because it's just been the issue the entire time. And it's like, you can make as many defensive stops as you want. But if you don't get the rebound, it doesn't fucking matter. And you can play the best defense, you know, that you've ever seen.

Dave Clarke:

If they get a second chance I really wanted to do right, exactly. And

Rob Kelly:

what was I think the calves in overtime was like, it was like eight to two second chance. And it's like, you can't have that because it's not. It's such a momentum. When you're up by two, you make a defensive stop, they get the rebound, dish it out for three and all sudden they're up one, when you could have been gone down the other, we

Dave Clarke:

give them a better, better looks on I can choose points. It's so fucking frustrating to watch. You know, I mean, it's, it's also, there's a fact that we all sort of have to accept on that rebounding point we'll get back to Missoula in a second but on the rewriting point was the fact we sort of had to accept al Horford surprise everybody with his abilities as at 36. Last season, because he got a year off. And he did not get that last year, he played his ass off all the way on almost all the games he possibly could have played in a season and went all the way to the sixth Game of the NBA Finals. We can't do this to his legs if we want him to be of any use to us in the playoffs and like his rebounding even has gone down I think a little bit since last season. And it might be tiredness, or it might just be it's gone forever.

Rob Kelly:

I have a question for it. So you remember what we love Buddy back at the end of the season where it was like, you know, it's always gonna be playing like shit. And email we'll call them over decided to go What the fuck are you guys doing? Cut the fucking bullshit. Do you think Joe has that has that in him right now?

Dave Clarke:

I mean, I don't I don't know enough about the guy to be honest with you, but I just don't I don't see that personality in him. And I don't think that's the kind of coach that he is. And you know, we've talked a lot about Steve Nash in the group chat like the kind of coach that Steve Nash is very obviously, lead by example, as a player wasn't like a super vocal coach didn't fucking curse anybody out didn't like real anybody in I'm not sure who could, you know, I we, you know, Ray you and I sort of agreed that Mark Jackson probably should have gotten that job in the first place or like, you know, we had a list of people that probably were a little bit more deserving but you can motherfuck Kevin Durant all you want i Just don't know if that's going to do anything either. Like he seems to just hate every fucking coach that he has. This team actually has the Celtics, I mean, this team has actually had a coach that they respond to. We've seen AI to your point by we've seen how they respond, or what what they respond to specifically with email and Ramona, come on to this topic with you, because we've been sort of, you know, pissing around the drain here with with the email conversation. Essentially, the issue is, and I, you sent me an article today, essentially, it was Marcus smart, given an interview about the situation and what I gleaned from it was that he is like, we don't really know what happened. I kind of expected him to stay and be the coach the next next season. And I think the quote that stood out to me was he said, I, if we went into the front office, and we express this, they'd be like, Yep, we're here yet, but they wouldn't tell us anything else that that happened. Now, there's two sides to this, right. There's the the idea that Brad and and wick and the entire Celtics, like upper echelons of the organization have a piece of information that may or may not be very harmful to somebody if it came out if or if it was confirmed. We don't have that information. And the players don't have that information. I don't love that Marcus gave that interview. It's just like not helpful from a PR standpoint. And it sinks have a little bit of a leaky ship, which I don't love and not a lot of cohesiveness. But it's a little strange that Ema is now going to coach another basketball team because that coming out in the press to me that basketball team can't be so dysfunctional that they didn't do their homework and find out what exactly it was they were hiring. Is that are the Boston Celtics just some sort of Paragon and bastion of morality that they they took it too seriously or you know, they came down really harshly on something that the nets don't deem as as bad or are the nets just like trying to create the most toxic fucking environment possible like it shed some light on this before me because I am confused about the situation and I feel like more information would help I guess unless it was really hurt the person involved I would just love to know what the fuck is up

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, I think the players were too which is why Mark is you know severely breast surgeon said to and I I know I love to he said that but the fucker pressure on him but make them look like the bad guy that that's the case because my thing is why would you not at least tell the people that are there? What you're telling I was a little surprised

Dave Clarke:

that they didn't do that that's

Rayshawn Buchanan:

yeah, that's my thing. Like you could tell us why was the captain and Toutain themselves Brown and whenever if you just want to tell the start is fine and then whatever they gets out or whatever cool, but it's not like it was gonna be like well, you know, Mark this far at least it's a reward to Oh towards into next you know, we're talking about ESPN. I just think that you know I feel like a part of it is Brooklyn trying to be a little bit toxic to I do just like when a put out there but the trade rumors you know trading

Dave Clarke:

What a fucking dysfunctional family are gonna be

Rayshawn Buchanan:

you know I'm saying is I just think to me that was that's a little bit what was going on but at the same time how do you get to a point where you're now looking to get something back in return? I mean, we didn't log on I don't that's what we don't look for it was left either not me as a holder of the story obviously order vinas scenario, but you know, at least they got Josh thanks for Doc Rivers. Like you're telling me you can't stand what he's done that much that much that he

Dave Clarke:

asked me Well, you do. You only think on I see your point. I genuinely do not you know, I said it early on in that in the in the in the nets trade rumor, I guess higher just hiring in a rumor circus to you guys. But just to play devil's advocate for a second, I wonder if they deemed it worth it to them? First of all, if they were surprised that the nets wanted him at all, knowing what they know. And once again, I haven't you're sitting here bucket speculate you're playing a speculation game for on both sides of it. Like it could be a one and it could be a 10. And it could be any number in between of like severity and we it's impossible to form an opinion on it. But just to play devil's advocate on that point about not getting draft picks back. What if it just benefits them that they don't have to pay like he's fired. They don't want to be on the hook for the money that they owe him. They they essentially can keep him tied to his contract, which I'm sure includes a nondisclosure agreement. And if they want to fire him, but it was like complicated to fire him, and this just made their lives like a lot fucking easier to just be like, Oh, you want to go to Brooklyn? See you later. Now he's out of the building. And, you know, I, I could see that from a business standpoint making sense. Maybe not from a basketball standpoint.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Right. It goes hand in hand, though,

Dave Clarke:

I guess. I mean, I guess it does. It's like, it is sort of the central question we're asking, right is did the Boston Celtics make a judgment call based on this guy can't be the fucking coach of our basketball team because if the world knew what we know, it would be way more harmful to the team and the future of the franchise the organization than if we just act done it now, or the opposite sort of question, which is did they sort of say, Oh, he's suspended for that that's bullshit from we work in a corporate American environment. And we have to follow the rules and the guidelines that we've set out to protect our business interests. And I think that is sort of the question we're asking here, because I still really believe and Bobby will come back to you. I still really believe that to do what they did. It had to have been pretty bad, right? Like the idea that he didn't do enough to deserve that suspension would read it or maybe that's why this sort of details haven't come out. Maybe the Celtics like are like, fuck, maybe we overreacted. So where do you now currently stand on the email thing?

Rob Kelly:

So what I always plugged back to is that Matt Barnes interview, and I know it's not great. It's not a good look. Right. And because what really jumped off the page for me with a buyer saying is Barnes was full. Anyways, court 100% That first 24 hours I keep posted on Twitter that he was being dragged down. Yeah, I think he even brought race into the cards. Like he really went full force for eBay. And for him to have such a change your heart when he heard those details that I'm guessing he heard them from someone who was privy to the situation, whether it be you know, from the coaching staff or from you know, the team internally, but it just really, that's what I was like, okay, something's different here. And honestly, like, I know, this is like, petty of me to even think this, but what do you think the Celtics are like? Okay, hire. Go ahead. Hire. You see what happened? Yeah, I honestly think so. My secret details, see what details come out within 24 hours of you hiring him? Well, let's

Rayshawn Buchanan:

do it. I'm fucking dare you do that?

Rob Kelly:

No, that's, that's right. Honestly, like, I know, that sounds super petty. But like, Would you be surprised if that's what happened? You know what I mean? It's right. So I just, I just

Dave Clarke:

wonder what's efficient. I wonder if they're like we, you know, we're oh, by the way, just saying, I mean, I don't do his job. And I think it's very difficult to scoop stories in sports, and it's highly competitive. But the fucking basketball reporting on this topic specifically was fucking piss poor. And it was it was piecemeal, unconfirmed bullshit at the start it then it just only went ever went to speculation after that. And I think to just, you know, watch has that very matter of fact, way of reporting. And I think that that did not benefit him at all in that in this scenario, like, he was like, this is the case and you can you believe him when he says shit is the thing. So everyone just starts to go on that information. And it's like, maybe it isn't all story. But I wonder because he has he hasn't signed with the nets yet. Right. As of right now, right now we're, it's it's nine. Oh, my gosh, it's 911. It's not in alignment. On the east coast here on Thursday night as we at this time of recording and he is not the Brooklyn Nets head coach at this point. The the story that he was going to be dropped on Monday. Right. So Monday, it was and this was like Monday morning, Monday afternoon. Monday, it was oh, it by tomorrow. That's Tuesday, then it's like, oh, probably in the next 24 to 48 hours now. It's I haven't heard shit. So I wonder if it's yeah, we're gonna sign him we pretty much know everything. We're good to go. It leaks, right? It comes out. And then the nets go like, Alright, let's get the full disclosure on like, everything that went down and then like because they need to right there. It gets to legal it goes from, okay, we're gonna come we're gonna bring him in the general manager and the players have signed off on it. And everybody's like, Yeah, we're gonna get you MODOK it's gonna be great. Then legal gets involved. They go like, Yeah, let's just like figure out the contracts to make sure there's no liability issues for the Brooklyn Nets as an organization. Then they get the information that the Boston Celtics have a why they split it up for a year. And then they go like, ah, yeah, no, we can't fucking hire this dude. I you know, that seems super likely to me. That to be to be totally honest.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

To add to add on to that, and it was a maybe we said we said what we think about next, but how do you consciously and make that decision if there's more, but do what you did with Harry Irvin today?

Dave Clarke:

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. My pray honestly.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

That that's, that's, that's my thing. It was. From a basketball standpoint, I listen to the church, right. The coaches that saw that that's, that's not the debate, but from a moral compass, a moral ground, whatever word you want to use. How do you consciously make that? Yes, did it do what you did with

Dave Clarke:

it? I genuinely have a rebuttal to that. They fucking didn't do the right thing with the Kyrie Irving decision. They were fucking late. That like this should have been like a PR. They were fucking late to the fucking suspension. They didn't suspend him for fucking long and they didn't come back out for what they did right first contact and then just before We get we go down the fucking rails.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, let me just let me I got a lot on this

Dave Clarke:

I know I know I know I know. Let me set the listeners up just like just let me do it for their benefit just three guys talking here but just for their benefit. Let's just do the timeline here. We Kyrie Irving retweets two videos one is a link to an anti known a documentary that has known anti semitic tropes and themes in it which is on fucking Amazon Prime, by the way, which is fucking absurd. So if he was just bringing attention to the fact that like Amazon Prime is hosting that as a fucking as a platform. Great. Thanks for letting us know bros. And that was one of his rebuttal points. Secondly, he retweeted some bullshit that that psycho, Alex Jones said, and he basically told a bunch of parents that their kids didn't actually get shot so that guy can get fucked in hell for all eternity for all I care. So like, Don't retweet a shit. But mainly it's the anti semitic fucking documentary link that we're talking about here. So he does that. He and I'm going to refrain from sort of commenting on Kyrie Irving as a person as I set up the facts of the case here, but he does that for whatever reason. And then when he's asked about it, he's cryptic, he doesn't really give a real answer on exact like for essentially, are you anti semitic? I'm not going to answer that question. Not a fucking great look. Let me give you one more try. Are you anti semitic? Because the answer is no. No, someone asks you if you're a god, you say yes. It's like come on, man. Like we're throwing your fucking softballs here. So doubles down super cryptic, et cetera, et cetera. The nets have officially as right before we sat down to record this podcast and that's officially suspended Kyrie Irving five games without pay with a fucking show. I believe that that's the cue or at least I should correct. Let's see exactly, sorry, at least five games without pay, depending on the PR backlash to that to that number set. And I don't know what without pay means genuinely, I don't think he's gonna miss a meal. But sure, he's not getting paid is game checks. That's where we are, essentially, to me, and I, you know, I don't want to go overboard. But essentially, to me, that is very simply boiled down to the sentence, Kyrie Irving is an anti Semite, that to me is just like a fact to me now. Because if you don't say no to that question, that's what you fucking are. Right? I don't think and I this is a bold prediction. I don't think Kyrie Irving is a Brooklyn net in February I don't think Kyrie Irving is in the NBA in February that's that's honestly the direction I think this is heading it's a fucking disaster having watched everything Kyrie saw everything that has been happening with Kanye West over the last few weeks. These are giant fucking platforms these guys

Rob Kelly:

that's that's that's what blows my mind is like, listen, Kerry, you shall but Kanye will from went from idolized. Like, number one media star to Hansel gun con. His school got fucking shut down. Like everything about Kanye is done. He's done. And you think that like this is this is the route that you're gonna take? Like, it's just, it's wild.

Dave Clarke:

So Ray, you you here you're sit you're sitting there. You watched all the same shit we've all watched right? We're all tuned into the same pop culture TV station. You've watched Kanye say all the shitty said. You've watched fucking Kyrie Irving play all last season only the socking away games because he won't get the foot and COVID vaccine. You've watched him now double down on anti semitic fucking bullshit. You watched him fuck your team up? How do you feel about Kyrie Irving right?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

So is it is a loaded? Question.

Dave Clarke:

I'm sure there's some complicated,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I think yeah, I think about to the to the shorter we did with it, I think wrong with average and that night. And you know, she had mentioned about how you know how philanthropic he was. And just really, when he was in a great mood, just how much of a pleasant visual he was. And I bring that up to say he has contributed to WNBA is attributed to HBCU because he has given homes to people that need homes. My issue with him has been, he has never allowed that to be the main narrative about him outside of basketball, it is okay to have the intent to inform. But to me, this is the classic version of classic case of intent versus impact. Your intent may have been to inform your intent may have been to have people be, you know, reading it to what you're getting into and try to follow you on your journey to seek truth or whatever you feel this is what the truth is. However, when you do not bet the sources. This is the backlash that comes and it's not just him that did it. But the sources. It's also the team on Amazon. So I'm glad it's highlighted that as well Dave, because I know that's been something that's been said onto all day. Well, what about Amazon? What about this? And as I look at the end of the day, both parties are equal and spewing this this this vitriol so to me, the Apology of the I put it in quotation, the apology they came up with Kyrie we should get an apology from Jeff Bezos, his work his must, again, is quality control. Don't tell me that you don't know what's coming in and out of your platform. So the fact that he came down the fact that you did not vet this source to say, well, you know, what knew I noticed this because this to be put on our platform. Let's take the see and this is actually something that shouldn't be allowed because of what it what it entails. So there's a lot of there's a lot of there's a lot of layers that fall under what what happened there. But I go back I say that to say, I believe that Congress should have read the room. And you know, to your point, Bobby He did this is Windows This may sound jovial, but this is a serious I know it's a serious conversation. I'm not here to mess up the bread. I mean, I've I am a capitalist, y'all know we talked about money, we talked about it, I am here to collect the money. And the stuff that I talked about the beginning of my of this, this Tombow he does that stuff, by you by you doing this stuff, you're messing up the resources that allow you to be the resource out the people, so I just I don't I don't I don't know where his mindset is. He clearly does not get he clearly not thinking everything through the waiter he shouted me and shouted viscid goodwill, who wrote a phenomenal article about it, who was excited for Yahoo Sports. But NBA, he wrote a phenomenal thing about how he wants to be everything a leader is supposed to be, but doesn't want the accountability attached to it. He doesn't want to be held accountable. And

Dave Clarke:

same Saturday said on Saturday said Don't treat me like anybody else.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Exactly the same on Twitter. We're gonna listen to your background that did not want to hold him accountable. It was only a link it was only a link. How many dumb stuff have you posted for audit reports online? They should do just that look at

Dave Clarke:

you. But that's the crux of the issue. Nobody's mad that nobody's mad? I don't think maybe some people are I don't know. But I'm not personally pissed off that he tweeted a fucking link to the film. The damage isn't done when when he does that the damage is done when he calcifies it when he when he makes a series of tweets about essentially flippant and inflated inflammatory statements, gives interviews with reporters who are fucking doing their job, by the way, but when they when they ask them these questions like that's what that's the day would be not doing their fucking job. If they didn't ask these questions. Give us a shitty, condescending fucking answer. When he when he's first asked about it. Then he is playing some sort of fucking vaudevillian villain role in the in the follow up Scrum, where he's saying i Oh, I am. I'm just who I am. And but and given this, you know a lot of words with absolutely no fucking content behind them or any meaning behind them. And ask the question directly. Are you an anti Semite? And to say I can't be or how could I be if I know where I come from? Just Say No, dude, because at the end of the day, across the world, whether you like it or not, fascist dialogue is on the rise. Fascist governments are on the rise. They just fucking elected one in Italy. It didn't go well. Last time. Okay, I mean, the boots were nice, but pretty much everything else was diabolical. All right, it almost just fucking happened in Brazil. Elon Musk takes over Twitter that conversation is about to get entirely more fucking toxic than it's ever been. Trump's gonna be back on the fucking on that platform saying all this shit. He's saying Kanye West is going fucking insane. And it's like it's propagating anti Semitic language. There's an entire fucking cults out there that have been saying the word Hollywood instead of the word Jew for fucking, I don't know how many fuckin years but that's essentially what they mean. This shit is on the rise. You have to educate yourself as somebody with a fucking platform. You have to educate yourself with the facts. don't insulate yourself with people that say yes to you constantly. Because that is going to inflate your sense of fucking knowledge and ego. You need people there to check you and say don't do that stupid thing before the world has to say it to you. Okay, and like that's what's fucking happening now. Everyone's fucking saying it to you and you can you can play the fucking victim and you can dance around the facts. But the fact is, you are not plugged into what's truly happening in the world and you're doing damage now. giving money to philanthropic causes giving money to charities. This this is and building that. That's makes it worse. The fucking Donta Academy was doing good shit. Like it was genuinely doing good shit in the communities that it's in and now it's fucked because you selfishly Yeah, you gave it to them in the first place, but you fucking selfishly went and did this fucking stupid thing. So see you later, Kyrie Irving's fucking I'm sure got his fingers in a lot of the same pies, and the same damage is about to get done and it's infuriating

Rayshawn Buchanan:

and No, don't. Don't get me fucking started on the George Fleur commerce, I'm not gonna go go down that route. But I doubt that. I

Dave Clarke:

mean, at least he walked out I know. But that

Rayshawn Buchanan:

really took me that really took me left. And I it was amazing to me that, you know, he would with a straight face really made those comments there. And once again, you're getting told stuff from Candace Owens. And once again, I won't say certain things about her and I want to, I want to make sure that they got it. So all the information and you still get it. And once again, I think it's called Kanye record, I think about everything I am I think about, you know, call it, you know, record from college dropout, like, there was best just,

Dave Clarke:

I mean, the kind of thing is almost it's more inflammatory, right? Because it's like, not only are you doing a horrible state a bunch of horrible shit about a historically oppressed culture, you're also turning your back on a culture you helped build, and like shitting on it and like that, essentially saying that, like the things that are really negatively impacting that culture, like didn't happen or don't matter. It's like dude, you were one of the architects of this shit what the fuck? And it's like Kyrie Irving same thing Dude, you're fucking in basketball you know like you you're you're a part of this fucking culture too don't say to treat me like any other man Don't treat me like the you know don't treat me different than any other man when you know full

Rob Kelly:

well they are different than every

Dave Clarke:

obviously no

Rayshawn Buchanan:

that's been that's the biggest issue for sure. And once the guy likes it there's so much more than that may even come out from this but I wanted to bring this up to him when he talked about

Rob Kelly:

the double down to me is what's what's even crazier is like even after the donation to the organizations and the to you know, the press right quote unquote, the press releases that came out the joint the joint statement from the from Kyrie and the nets. You're still gonna come out and say that he did that you know what I mean? It's like bro I thought it was over. You know? I thought it was like okay, they came out with the statement that PR finally took over it's gotta it's gotta be brushed under no carry carry wouldn't fucking let it happen.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Adam Silver What are you doing? Jewish right. How did it How does it take How did it take that longer? To get to that like I might

Dave Clarke:

not you know what it might honestly be tougher spot to be in for him though to be honest with you because he can't seem retaliatory. Like that's somebody in the room is saying that to him right away. It's like Dude, give this fucking dude enough rope to himself just for the first few days going he's got his he's fucking going to it's like that that's like he's saying stupid shit. He's gonna continue to say stupid shit. You just pick your moment which I think he might have a little bit but on the other hand, yeah, if I was sitting I would have been like excuse me can you get on the phone face

Rayshawn Buchanan:

the doors and the last thing I'll say is unless you want to go further and this is for my boy G so he said this to me earlier he was I look we have to as someone as as Oh as someone who was part of a group that had been demonized and put down for you know 400 years as as we as we know don't put down other cultures in this process. Yeah, this just just because you believe that you know, they're rich and they run everything and they do this like we know what as a black kid we know what it is to be villainized we know so why so Why bring that on another group of people because he did man about how carry and tidy a being attacked. Especially when they're not in the right it's one thing if they would write about something but they're wrong, they're wrong and what they say they're wrong and they approached it was to get a temporary setback once again in their mind and me I thought okay, I'm gonna do like this but that's not how it was received. So it can't just be like ball well because they like us we gotta miss every practice and a good safety it goes back to the OJ set or we know OJ did it but you know we don't we don't want him to go away for XYZ reason. You he tell he tell the coal bow like that was pretty pretty so are y'all doing too Oh, no. He went into the crab did what he had to do. What's the Bronco was like

Dave Clarke:

hey also he also use the black community Odin fucking nothing at that point. He didn't want to be black until it was convenient for fucking like whatever Yes,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

yes, right.

Rob Kelly:

He's a Magnum PI and shit. And you know

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I'm saying like, It's wild. Oh, it's just like Don't Don't be don't pay what you have paid it for years. You hate hate and not you could you could not be you cannot show hate to another group when you have been the person that's been aided on this As long as you've been on

Rob Kelly:

this, it's that simple. I feel like ignorance is such a big piece of this too because like, if you if you can recognize where you're at in life or where the world is and the world around you, and and react to that people will see so differently. But for Kanye and Kyrie both of them, bro, for Listen, Kanye doubled down on this shit after his life was ruined, and he's still coming out saying the same exact shit carries doing the same fucking thing. And it's just, it's just mind blowing to me and I feel like it's mind blowing to the next it's mind blowing to the NBA, because there's just like, bro, what like, what is actually happening? You know what I mean? That's like, what, what? What in your brain? Honestly, this isn't this is Oh, I

Dave Clarke:

know. I genuinely think I know what's happening to Kyrie Irving's brain. I think Kanye West is an entirely different kettle of fish. But here's what it here's what I genuinely think is up with Kyrie Irving. I've watched this dude, since you know his rookie year. I've been around and inside the fucking Kyrie Irving conversation for a long time. And quite frankly, up until this point, I've been one of his biggest defenders and I think you guys can fucking back me up on that. Yeah, all I haven't really gave a shit about up until this actual basketball was like I was like, I don't know, but he is really good though. Like, that was just my whole shit. Like the entire point and like, because I just love ballers, you know, and I just I really did like watching him play basketball when he was in his heyday. But I think what it is, is that he like I said earlier, he's insulated himself with people who just say yes to him. And somebody told me that I you know, I think Kyrie Irving is probably like a smart guy in some areas of his life. But somebody wants told me that conspiracy theories love conspiracy theories, because they've never been the person in the room with the most facts about something before. So now they are even if the facts aren't real, and they've made them up, they can be like I'm saying with certainty, and there's a community of people that also believe this. I'm saying with certainty that I'm right, based on this random evidence, you're just too dumb to find. So I get that vibe. Unfortunately, from Korea when he talks he's so enlightened. He's so much fucking smarter than me. And he and he has all this information I don't have access to and it's fine if it's don't get the fucking vaccine because there's aliens in it or whatever the fuck he was saying. And it's fine if it's, you know, I think that I I was the great leader that I was because of the brawn now all of a sudden or something less harmful to that effect. Whatever. Now it's the I have this fact about the Jews were like, who had that their fucking bingo card? Like it's like Where the fuck did this come from? Actually hurtful shit carry actual genuinely harmful that I just don't have time for it?

Rob Kelly:

No, but I what blows my mind is where? Where did this all come from bro. Like,

Dave Clarke:

it's a known it's a known thing that happens cyclically in the in our society. Every 100 years or so. We decide to pay the Jews for shit. Like you're looking out and look out, look out your window and tell me what the biggest fucking shirts you can find is because there's giant fucking mega churches spotted all across the south and all across the Midwest, not built by the fucking Jews. There's a bunch of fucking agendas going through the House and the Senate right now that aren't Jewish nationalist fucking agendas like there is a fucking religion in this country that is helping shape the fucking structure of the country

Rob Kelly:

and it's not Jewish. So

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I will say this because about just just the vaccine thing could obviously double that's been a hotbed issue since 2020 The only reason why he's being looked at as a G is an ever guys because of what's happened now in New York and they realize what had brought in made whatever steam at him made about now they're bringing it back people to work and they're hiring people. He looks like a genius in that case there he's he goes to work right I might have to argue those who say good job that's not what I'm saying. And people smile he's he's gonna be looked at as he was like, oh, like, you know, he went through all that and he'd have to go ahead of the curve. Five, five web recall, but I will say this, it's like, bro, you're not Muhammad Ali. You're not Harry Belafonte. You're not Fred Hampton. You're not You're not all of us at Zimbra. But you're not Jim Brown. You're not Kareem Abdul Jabbar. You know you're not you're not any you're not Angela Davis. You're not finished a crow. We're just two parts of mother get hit. You're not any of these people that really was on a front fucking line on a regular basis for the betterment of black and brown people. You're not even the Colin Kaepernick Are you are you willing to sacrifice his neck now? Motherfucker. You got to find out now. You want your focus right now. Know you want to find out how real it is. My lender found out me and some others. It's much earlier. I forgot about the crypto side note Cramer. Well, Michael Michael wherever they look Right gotta play friend that I can which is micro britches is that when he the sound that when you said the N word and that in that crowd rollout was clearly

Rob Kelly:

comfortable saying it. It was the fourth. It was the fourth time that really drove it home. Yeah

Rayshawn Buchanan:

for sure, so it's just like I brought those up not because they were white, but I brought it up because they look the words that you say the things that you share matter. Meyers Leonard was on a fucking Twitch game, or whatever it was. I don't know. It's recycling,

Rob Kelly:

but he's playing Call of Duty play wherever your game is played.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Is that what he said? Banished? Going.

Rob Kelly:

He's not an illegal, right. All right, he's going

Rayshawn Buchanan:

not even nearly gone. Once again. He's had the time to carry gear. So obviously, that Dad Dad helped get them, you know, out of there.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, but you should have been I really don't.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Sure. Sure. But there's other cases that yes, have not yet talked about. We talked about joey Bosa we could talk yes, there's other things that have not been brought up I totally get that this is not about selective you know, average or whatever it is handily right or wrong? And yes. Because Kyrie is someone that will you know, find it easy to get on when he says certain things but he fucking contributes contributes to it? This is what happens. And yeah, once again, I said at least five games once again, I want him to still do the philanthropic stuff. But hey, if you can't get out if you can't get your head out your ass because you want to make these statements. And once again, the intent versus impact. Your intent may have been one thing, but the impact is far greater than you ever imagined. And if not the positive impact does you have that you envision when you originally share this information, especially about to duke it out in new Alex Jones's. But what I heard you say what he said like that, that to me. He's just, you have to understand that even every tweet once again in 2022, if you're retweeting or liking a tweet, that is seen as a fucking endorsement. It's just

Dave Clarke:

Oh, absolutely. That's what the reporting is that stuff. That's what the reporter is trying to explain to him. That's known. That's a no.

Rob Kelly:

giving him the definition of

Rayshawn Buchanan:

promotion. Oh, well, I would just how did I promote it? I just, I just, oh, what are you talking about? No way.

Dave Clarke:

Unless you just say your Twitter was hacked, bro. That's what everybody else always says.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

That that's bullshit. We know. We know. That's not the case.

Dave Clarke:

I know. But like don't double down. That's all. You know what my favorite honestly, what I thought was an unsung part of this. These events unfolding last few days. What I think was a really important moment. And you might not think so because like, in our world of like, we're basketball fans, we just like like watching these dudes. Like chop it up about basketball and like, fucking, like, rip each other and stuff. But how hard Charles Barkley and Shaquille O'Neal came out and said, This literally, they were like, this idiot needs to get suspended like and I was like, oh, because to me, and I think you guys, those are voices in the National Basketball Association, that fucking Reverberi you know, regardless of the fact that most of the time they're actually sad.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Sad, for sure. I

Rob Kelly:

mean, words mean something. Yeah,

Dave Clarke:

I agree. 100% I also, I just I like Charles Barkley a lot. Personally, like, he's my favorite guy on the show. Yeah. Like I like I like his perspective on things. I agree with them a lot. But either way, they both came out and they were like, fucking Suspend him. This is fucking ridiculous. And I think because they're, they're normally just trying to talk about basketball, and just being like, yeah, we're, we do this fun, awesome show. That's like a companion show to like, the product of basketball, which is better than all the companion football shows. And it's great. And we're like, we're here for it to just turn around and say like, This guy's a moron. That was stupid of him to say and the fucking leagues just suspend him. That's an endorsement directly from the you know, two figures giants really, in basketball to give the NBA more power to be like cool. Like we got we got these guys on site we got you know, then because that shapes the narrative and that shapes what people think because I remember sort of waking up to the news and be trying to process it and then hearing them say it and be like, yeah, right. Of course that's what they should do. You know, like, they immediately put into words what the actionable response to this bullshit was, which I I think was was awesome. Like, I really enjoyed I

Rayshawn Buchanan:

do I do wonder I mean, it's unfair to him but as he's the as the generation that best meets up the most, I do wonder what LeBron thinks about it. I'm assuming we already know because the fact that they erased the episode of Kanye on the on the soft barbershop. Oh, my thing is, there's no way he's looking to endorse Harvey to come la now. Not the way he he protects his brand. No fucking way. No way. He is.

Dave Clarke:

performative sometimes in that way, though, like I think that I think that when I heard that he

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I think he's genuine I think he's very well don't you only do you only think were people I was like he was a little shaky on and I get it because the UK and China was the subject there well that's what happened to somebody the other day hey, go get them to bronze I appreciate I am someone who the bras i feel like i do it it's not

Dave Clarke:

as if he really put his money where his mouth is when that happened but also like to say to say we're not going to air this episode of the shop instead of we're going to air this great episode the shop where LeBron tells fucking Kanye that he's been a fucking idiot. I found all the shitty saying about like everything because like you know it was probably him sitting there going like yeah, huh okay all right. That's a little weird but whatever and then the producer has been like we can't fucking hear this right like that's probably what happened

Rayshawn Buchanan:

you know you're not you know why though? Because he thinks about shit. He's Oh, he's he's been the thicker from the moment a point in one stage at 18 years old. I guess Sacramento game one is thought about him and how he is viewed not only in

Dave Clarke:

the league, he should come out and say some shit then. Sure, but I'll

Rayshawn Buchanan:

show you once again. He is more cryptic they carry you if you want to go there to be honest. He just he just he because he's a little more charming to carry. It's like okay, cool, but I did me I think that was the statement by saying oh, we're not going to add this and then we'll have to retreat champs to and honestly nori I fuck with you, bro. But you you want to fill in that way before the interview. Let that shit ride or, and I'll just leave it at that. I'm not I'm not gonna get into that but I'll try and show a different person on his on his blog. Yeah, but nobody do it. That you should let that share why bro, like just just, yeah, decide that you want to be apologetic after the fact like, standard stand on what you want to stand on. You know, you tried to educate him in the moment a day of work. It is what it is. Leave it at that.

Dave Clarke:

You know, I just to end on it on a we've had some laughs on this show. It's been a good time. We've said what we've said and we stand by for Kyrie Irving for what he did but I just have to say like any any research you ever do into one caused the second world war and the Holocaust and all that shit. It wasn't Hitler getting up on stage one time and being like, it's the Jews and everyone's like, whoa, okay, and then they like went to the Second World War it was years of slow build platforms pushing an anti semitic agenda, them versus us agenda. And it was a lot of little things leading up to bigger and more horrific shit. That's how societies go in this direction. And you're you're as responsible for the consequences no matter how big or little of a PCR and contributing to us getting to those consequences. So you need to fucking educate yourself on what reality is it's not a facts versus fiction argument anymore. It's a fucking it's a real world where real consequences happen to people that don't have 25 Fucking million dollars in a platform to say whatever they want it's not cool, man. It's not fucking cool be cool because it's not cool. Shut the fuck up with that shit seriously, it's too fucking far and it's it's the internet makes every dollar is everything a little bit you know you get so much information all at once that some things seem a little bit less serious at times, but that's fucking serious and it's not fucking cool so we here at missing the point absolutely do not condone that fucking language and that guy can thoroughly go fuck himself. Thank you guys so much for listening. Have a great

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