May 21, 2021

Celtics-Nets Preview: Kyrie Irving Returns To Face The Celtics Fans

Celtics-Nets Preview: Kyrie Irving Returns To Face The Celtics Fans

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Craig D'Alessandro:

On this episode of missing the point, we'll preview the Boston Celtics first round NBA playoff matchup versus Kyrie Irving and the number to see Brooklyn Nets. We'll preview the matchup and give our predictions on the series. And if the Celtics haven't done them the pull off the upset. I mean, miracles can happen right? This is missing the point, Episode 61. But it's all relative.

Michael Marcangelo:

Welcome into missing the point I'm your host Michael Mark Angelo joined today alongside by the real BK Bob Kelly D cases will Dave Clark and the Hollywood Wali rayshawn Buchanan and on this episode, we are talking about the Boston Celtics who just blew past the Washington Wizards in the play in tournament to suit to cement the seventh seed and are now going on to play the Brooklyn Nets. Before we get into that. I'll throw it over to you guys. Bobby, how do you feel about what you saw on the court? Two days ago?

Rob Kelly:

I mean, like I said, you guys in chat. Oh, great. Our reward for it. I've never met this more in my life. Earning a seven seed in the Eastern Conference is you get to go play the Brooklyn Nets. So congratulations.

Dave Clarke:

Well, we're not there yet. Just be happy that we want.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Right. I'm just surprised that when a game that mattered the season, you know, they have not done that really most of the year, I would say at least 80% of the year, right? 90%. Maybe Tatum was sensational. I know we go back and forth. Between you know, trade them, cut them release them. He's garbage. He's trash. Yeah, yeah, we do. It's actually about that. Is no I'm pretty sure there's two out of the five of us on here. I've said trades at one time, which is ridiculous. Well, before it should have been said. So he was in session on Tuesday night, you know, as once again, the star of the team should be and he was unguardable the 17 Fritos was the biggest thing obviously for him. You know, when he goes downhill, he's unstoppable. Like it's one thing to shoot the jump shots and you know, those look pretty when they go in but him going downhill. He's clearly a problem. You know, he lived up to a nickname that LeBron James gave him last year out in LA. So yeah, man, like, I was happy to see it. Thankfully, you know, mice guy, Russell Westbrook lived up to the hype. And I put that in quotation marks. And yeah, we're on the Brooklyn baby.

Michael Marcangelo:

Yeah, I'm here. I'm here for all of this. But before we get into how much Mike sucks at basketball, take DK. Well, what were your thoughts on what you saw on the court on Wednesday?

Dave Clarke:

I guess Ray woke up today and chose violence. I will say rayshawn to use your given Christian named Sir, I think you're referring to me, and I'm sitting right here you're talking about, you're talking you're talking about a time you have to put it in context, like you're talking about, I understand. And I understood at the time when I said it, it's literally was accompanied by this, that it's like ludicrous, and you can really trade them. But what I was trying to allude to, was that it was very frustrating, if you remember to watch him make bad decision after bad decision in the playoffs in the bubble playoffs last year. And all those bad decisions were directly related to playing hero basketball, taking Dumb, dumb shots. And then you add the context of like, you know, oh, he went and trained with Kobe. And then Kobe passed away like rip. And then like, is this does he think he's Kobe Bryant now like this than the other and like, we have other pieces. And like, you know, maybe he's a little soft, and he pitches to the reps a lot. I agree that now that he's become basically what we were asking him to become, which was a downhill player, and we were saying that for all of the last bubble playoffs, that he's a lot better, but we knew that was going to be the case, he still hasn't won shit for the Celtics. So like, let's not like call him the second coming of Jesus Christ just yet. I do think he's got a really great future. But I'm more on Bobby side with your two original takes. Because I mean, we're about to just go to the absolute fucking buzzsaw of the Brooklyn Nets and it's like, but I also will say and I wanted to say this before ratio on decided to have a have a knife fight. I love the player. And I really want to keep doing it. It's so much fun. And like I even like it added so much many stakes to the other three games that I watched the other three games like I don't like, I don't remember the last time I gave a shit about like a pacers game. You know what I mean? But I like gave a shit about it. I was like, This is cool. And then like that Lakers warriors game was awesome. It was just like Steph and Lebron going back and forth. So yeah, give that guy or raise whoever, like whoever thought that because it seemed dumb to me. Because usually when sports organizations change the format of their post seasons, it's dumb, and it's to make more money and it's like self serving. It doesn't help the fans. This actually added to it. I was really excited to like realize that the playing tournament was like super fun and awesome. And I can't wait for more playing games because it's just like, Whoa, I really care about these.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, I mean, it just sucked cuz I'm that patient, which this game was like over at the half like it was it was over like the patient was doing whatever they wanted. And it was just like, man, not happy. Was this idea patients in the Hornets

Dave Clarke:

which stinks because I kind of thought the Hornets were gonna be okay Kim

Rayshawn Buchanan:

yeah but not what I hear we like a lot of guys have just not been there isn't that weird right weird yeah right we have we had to happens right and so hey how you doing Joe but no but he can't defend ourselves it's okay but you know once again I

Rob Kelly:

was just throwing jabs earlier a man he's

Rayshawn Buchanan:

got got some got got it got to be Baby got to be no I mean she rolls up to his name right yeah i mean he was like one of like 90 in game seven in 2018 him and devonte Graham was terrible last night and so for all those that were you know dog walking Kimba you know on national media all the podcasts that are out there that you did yeah all right Listen, I it was still the right move for coming to come here and she rose to rose had to go down there guys kemba has not looked great at times but kemba still had all star season last year. I think it was last fall

Unknown:

for whatever

Rayshawn Buchanan:

yeah 2029 points he gets four days of rest which is huge him coming into game one I know we're gonna get into that he's looked as best when he is guiding those routes and now off of games one and two, there'll be two days in between both of those games so he needs three months of rest if we're being honest and I don't think he can be truly judged as a cell tech until he gets like a real offseason that he knows the schedule and can like really rehab that injury right but I completely agree but just in a short burst like just no vacuum as I always say like I just think that he's someone that's going to benefit most from getting that rest whenever they could be himself because to me for me I have a really good chemistry

Dave Clarke:

don't nod your head Bobby you're out on 48 Don't forget I i mean

Rayshawn Buchanan:

i don't know why Bobby like he's outside of the gig.

Dave Clarke:

I mean, Sue said you're out on him he's been awesome. The actual real is the real truth of it.

Unknown:

You should do that some

Dave Clarke:

more Celtics all

Rayshawn Buchanan:

right say you're I don't say them to say right on Tatum say you're out on.

Rob Kelly:

I'll never be you guys know that. Yeah,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

yeah, I know. You and I both know what

Rob Kelly:

truth bro. He's

Rayshawn Buchanan:

pretty pretty pretty much.

Michael Marcangelo:

That's why you need people like you know DK and myself to kind of balance this whole I Tatum prayed out, but that's a good segue point. You know, the Celtics beat the wizards when 18 100 to clinch the six, the 17 in a play in tournament Jayson Tatum scores 50 points 32 of which came in the second half. So I mean, again, me, I've been the guy that says that he maybe should not be the guy. I was wrong. I last night, he proved me wrong, because when it mattered when you needed him to show up, he did. And that leads me to my next point that I want to talk about is, you know, Tatum has drawn criticism at times for his quiet leadership style. From me from others. It's there. What I really liked about about after the game was his quote, he said, quote, I know my teammates, I've earned their respect. I've earned the respect of the guys I play against. I believe in myself. That's all that matters. That's the guy that you need him to go out there and say that and then do what he did on the court. So I'll go to UDK first, how big was his game? And are we now truly seeing because in a game that matters, he rose above he did what we want him to do. Yeah, man, it's,

Dave Clarke:

it's undeniable what he's been doing. It's you can't sit here and say that it's not like pretty incredible that he's scoring the way he is. But it is also the ceiling, you know, and I'm not I'm not using this to take anything away from him. I'm just saying it is also the ceiling we were hoping for with Jayson Tatum when he first came into the league. We were all sitting around here. I mean, we didn't have a podcast yet but we were all sitting around going. He's just like Kevin Durant the way you can score at this age, like he can make his own shot like he can make his own shot at will if you can really dial that one shot and like his length is crazy. Like he can he could score 50 a game like we were all saying that and it's becoming true and it's really awesome and fun to watch. If you're comparing him to anyone right now, like ceiling wise again, not like saying he's this now but it is it the Colby comparison is there you know, like the way that she scores in a lot of different ways longer, he is longer but he you know, he scores a lot of different ways he can shoot he can go to the rim. I know he's still young, I'm just putting it out there as like a you know, a little bit of an artistic criticism. I would like to see his defense become a little bit more a little bit less. I don't want to say lazy just like on interested, he looks disinterested sometimes on defense, I think that he I don't think he values defense as much as he should. And then and he will have to eventually if he wants to become one of the elite great players in the NBA. And I would love to see him use his newfound scoring, like fear and mitos that's being born in the NBA right now to start getting other players involved a little bit more because I think his playmaking off his dribble needs improvement Still, if he wants to become an elite like one of the best, you know, to play the game Hall of Famer players which we think he can he needs to do all these things. That's not a short list. Yes, he can score. Yes, his scoring is like absolutely incredible. I'm not taking it anything away from that, but we're not going to be the broke like Kobe Bryant could take this team that we have right now with all the injuries and stuff and go and beat this Brooklyn Nets team, because you just couldn't count them out. You just you could never count them out. I need that from Jayson Tatum, you know, we're not going to go beat the nets, it's just not going to happen. He's still young, there's still plenty of time for him to become that. But if he's going to be the guy, if he's going to be that guy, those are the qualities we need to start seeing from him moving forward. I love the scoring. It's amazing, but it's not everything.

Michael Marcangelo:

But so Bobby, you know, obviously taking into consideration what DK just said, I'm gonna I'm gonna throw your softball here, because you've been the one to tell us about the next level of Jayson Tatum was that performance the other night, an indication that he's arrived on that next level, because this was it wasn't a playoff game. But it was pretty close. Right? It mattered.

Unknown:

So the thing

Rob Kelly:

that just stands out to me is, he's 22. And I know that's what I always go back to. But to get that level of production. And again, it matters from a 22 year old basket. It's just so rare that like I can't even think of anyone off the top of my head before john Moran did it again yesterday.

Dave Clarke:

That's the thing of this whole crop is entirely.

Rob Kelly:

But so another thing is when it comes to tape, so the defense thing I do agree with you on that. I think what he does there is like I said, He's really long. And I think he uses that too much sometimes where he relies on the fact that he's wrong. So he's not gonna make that extra hustle because he thinks he can just like get the arm up there and get the steel. So he doesn't get called out of position. Sometimes I will give you that somebody could definitely work on. But just so I know, you took back your trade Tatum stance, and I know all that. But like, You're not the only one. And you're not the only person who's been thinking us and like had these thoughts throughout this entire season. And Mike, you too. So like, I'm just saying like, the level of production that he has, and the upside that he has, is a top three MVP candidate player. And that's not just me, or like rayshawn or like anyone saying it's right. And it's like, that's what I don't understand a lot about like the criticism Tatum takes is because like he really is one step away from that a weak level. And that's something the Boston Celtics, like I know Paris was great, but he was never a top three player top four player in the NBA. You know, this isn't a level of talent that the Celtics haven't had since Larry Bird.

Dave Clarke:

I don't think it's the piers coupe. I don't think the piers comparison is the issue with the Boston Celtics fan base and Jason Tatum. I think it's Kevin Durant. Or sorry, Kevin Garnett would be a better comparison, if you're talking about the issues that we have, because the guy who's led our team to a championship in our lifetime in our generation was a fucking psychopath. And we want that from our leaders. Like we want something akin to that from our leaders. And I think that I just I like for me what happened to me at least, and I, you know, I recognize this as like my Boston fan showing and my psychoses showing is that like, I just kind of thought he was a pussy. And like, I think that was like always my issue with Tatum and like, I get that his scoring is undeniable. I can see all the things if he played for the Pacers I would see the all these things without any bias. It's just this. It's the Boston sports fan me where he pitches to the reps every single time he's instead of getting back on defense, and he's getting better about that. I agree. But, you know, it's just a lot of this stuff that I first saw, and it was in direct contrast to Jaylen Brown who I found attitude lies to be the opposite to be like pretty tough to know when to stand up for himself. You know, he wasn't as as vocal but I could see that eventually he would be a more vocal leader. And when those two were getting contrasted to me, I always just favored Jalen now Ray made a really good point was that you don't have to pick one both are on the fucking team. But eventually I think we might because both guys are going to be on max contracts eventually. And you know, egos you know the way that the NBA works right now. Like, I don't know, I don't see Jayson Tatum and Jaylen brown playing on the same team for the rest of their careers. I maybe I'm wrong,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

but they legit grew up together. Like they're growing up together. So it's a little bit different. I feel like I

Dave Clarke:

guess. Same thing happened with KD and Russ, though. You know what I mean, like,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

right, but it didn't play nine years together. Yeah, they played nine years together, though. So I mean, we got about four or five years left.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, but I'll take it here. I won't take it because they didn't win a championship. No,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I'm saying they at least got it to the final but that's how Sam Presti just like it's on Danny's right now. Like it's not. It wasn't anything that they're doing, you know, but then again, Sam Presti did put a lot of pieces around that team each year, and they just didn't do what they need to do. They also had injuries as well. westergard one year KD got hurt the other year, so

Dave Clarke:

they did have a really good chance in blewitt, though,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, for sure. For sure what

Rob Kelly:

they had those games they had that.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

But I want to touch on the COVID take real quick, right because that intrigued me. You know, I remember the Oh 607 season and you know, Craig I promise it won't be a rabbit hole but it was relevant to the conversation today face Venus in the first round finishes has a monsters team. I know. Go three one. And he is the game winner in game four as you might want one of my brands best call bang Colby Brian does it again. Oh my, and Coby disappeared in game five. Oh, it disappeared again six eight then the game seven. I dare say I don't want that to happen against against Brooklyn next week. I there so don't want that don't go Coby asking to get as now obviously Kobe has won five championships. And that's not, you know, but I mean, I just remember that moment when he was the guy and it wasn't Shaq around, they chose Kobe until he got another guy to play well with him.

Rob Kelly:

That team assembled around Kobe to actually get him that championship. It was an absolute wagon. And they when they beat the Celtics, Metta World Peace, power saw that whole team, they also built that team around him and his skill set and like everybody that played really well with him. So yes, I agree.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

But to answer Mike's original question about you know, do we see him take that elite status? And I asked another question.

Michael Marcangelo:

I had another question to you, though. So I want you to answer that one. But also, how much more did this game matter? Because Jaylen brown wasn't there. Jayson Tatum had all the odds stacked against him, right? I mean, he had a banged up mark the smart data of Robert Williams and browns out and Tatum put the Celtics on his back. So are we seeing the next level of data and how much more important was it because of the fact that he was literally the guy on this night and he had to do it?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Right. So I mean, first before I answer, I want to listen that it is okay. I got choked up watching it to Mike so it's okay. Listen, man, the guy is sensational. We saw this 2018 right. Like he broke the playoff rookie record for most playoff points in the postseason. So we saw the special play early on you know we saw it against Milwaukee you know, we saw it against Philadelphia you know we saw even it gets Cleveland in that little bronze lead team so you know it was there you know, we saw the game winner in game took is Indiana and a first round a couple years ago I got dashes white. Oh, excuse me, that's what it is. But you know, just want to go back two days point to that him being a playmaker that to me even more so. More so than the defense is obviously important. They'll play making ability like Dave, I guess it is spot on like that is the guy that is the where he needs to get your kid if he becomes a playmaker, non stop. If he becomes like 70% of what LeBron does as a player. We're where we will be detained to be eventually like that. I firmly believe that and that is not bias. That's just you know, I was not a it's not a spoiler, or it's not a prediction. That's a spoiler. It's coming, you know, so But no, yeah, I think it meant more because I think people were believing that Jaylen brown could probably do a performance like that without Tatum because of this heart because of his grit because of how he grinds out games. And yeah, a lot of people believe what DK said. They do think that he's off and there's moments where he has Sony has been soft. That's not that can't be debated, but because he This is why I always said there was a team what happened the other night is this is why I said there was a team. He makes it look so easy. It's so easy. Like Jaylen brown got to work for 48 to take Jason's head was had to work for 40 that's what I that's why I say about this this level said it's like, you know, it's like it's unbelievable how smooth it is. It's ridiculous. It's crazy.

Dave Clarke:

But to answer Mike's question to use that point that you just made to answer my question, was this game him going to another level? No, I think he was already on though. Yeah, he was already I think we already thought I personally I don't know if I even said it to you guys. But I was pretty sure we were going to be I know like you know the context of the season their performances, how shitty they can be. I was pretty sure we were going to beat 100 year old Russell Westbrook and Bradley Beal on one leg.

Rob Kelly:

I was like pretty, I was pretty, pretty confident I can. That's the thing is like, that's the game we're supposed to win. You know what I mean? Like that's what that's why like, go back to your original point. Like, is it bigger without Jalen In my opinion, like that game was awesome. Don't get me wrong. I love we made the playoffs now. does it really mean anything? No. That's not true. You're supposed to beat the wizards. You're supposed to beat the Washington Wizards.

Michael Marcangelo:

I hear you they hear you. But this season we have historically not won the games that we're serving I know that's Yeah,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

we didn't believe stopping content and not we did not believe there's no one on the show that thought they were going to be watching we all thought it was gone. I definitely didn't. Let's be honest. No.

Unknown:

They're gonna be

Rayshawn Buchanan:

we have Bobby was like listen, they're not gonna when it's over. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. First of all, I

Dave Clarke:

was talking shit about Russell Westbrook all season. Okay, no, yeah, you were second of all. Second of all, I knew Bradley Beal was hurt and he was playing on one leg. I was 100% sure we were going to win. He was he played he didn't play like Bradley Beal. The only way that the Washington Wizards were going to beat us is if Bradley Beal came in and started matching Tatum shopper shot which was very possible if Bradley Beal wasn't hurt, but in

Michael Marcangelo:

the game, so. So we all assumed I think I'm gonna try and take the middle of the road approach here. Washington was probably gonna be the toughest matchup for us in the play in tournament right just if they were healthy. That's the toughest one. Did anyone Did anyone here? I'm gonna go I'm gonna go to Bobby first. Did you foresee Excuse me? I'm getting really choked up here because Russell got eliminated. Did you did you foresee The Wizard shooting three of 21 from the 3.43 point.

Rob Kelly:

No See, that's the thing is like when you watch that wizards team First of all, they were on the hottest teams in basketball coming into this game. So so so so the second half of the season they were a really good team and Russell Westbrook was a man on the mission. The thing is,

Dave Clarke:

I don't agree with that book.

Rob Kelly:

So he was no he was awesome the second half of the season. I know I don't know

Dave Clarke:

100% agree with that, but Okay,

Rob Kelly:

so they were one of the best teams. Oh, like statistically on 25 games. Now coming into the series are coming into this game. I did think the Celtics if they came out and played your normal Celtics basketball and first quarter, we were gonna get smoked, no doubt, but the thing is, as soon as they saw the wizards playing for five minutes, you knew the Celtics had this game? They didn't have an answer for Tatum. Westbrook was playing like the Westbrook DK knows and loves and the beatable it was clearly hobbled. So like you knew immediately that this game was in the bag for the Celtics, at least I did I knew was in the first five to 10 minutes that the Celtics had this game.

Dave Clarke:

I just don't i don't think Brett I don't think that Russell Westbrook is, the thing is like, I'm happy to have Russell Westbrook go and put 25 points up and get 10 rebounds and get 10 assists. But like I've seen the wizards play. I like Bradley Beal a lot I throw wizards games on from time to time. First off, they started the season historic. They were like the Dallas Cowboys trying to not let points in right like they were insane. They were giving them more points. And like any team ever had done over the first few games, they started actually guarding and they got a little bit better. Russell Westbrook still makes terrible decisions down the stretch he always has. And as a veteran, it's even less excusable and the ball because of his personality still ends up in his hands in the fourth quarter. That has always been my consistent criticism of Russell Westbrook. He's a fucking bonehead. I get that he's like and also nowadays, athletically, he's fallen off a little bit he was absolutely phenomenal athlete like one of the best I've ever seen it the one crazy good gone downhill. He's not that guy anymore. And he still sucks at shooting. So when me and Mike would argue about it. Would you rather camber? Would you rather us that that game was the display of why I didn't want Russell Westbrook? I've been trying to tell you guys this show. Yes. I'm

Rayshawn Buchanan:

so glad you said it. Yeah,

Dave Clarke:

that's who Russell Westbrook is that's who he is. Like, that's like an kemba Walker like ankle whatever. Like at least we know who kemba is can be like, you know, he tries his ass off. And they're always gonna be smiling too. Yeah, and that's you receive and also Ross is like he's tough to take dude like it's when he was that running that MVP season you remember against harden when it was him versus hard. And they were going he was like triple double every and I think harden and of winning the MVP, but it didn't really matter because LeBron James is still the MVP every season. So it doesn't even really count. But like, it's like they were going like and I was like this is too much Russell Westbrook in my life. I don't want to hear about Russell Westbrook anymore. Like it's annoying. I like when he gets mad of fans because he's usually in the right about that because fans are like, for some reason feel they can be dicks like directly to him and he won't fuck them up. But like, No, you don't want Mike Please believe me that you don't. So as for the Celtics? You know what I mean? And that's why you just saw why because that's why I knew it's because of him. Bradley Beal can do shit, but it's because of him is why I knew we were gonna win that game. And because of the three guys on the Nets is why I know we're not gonna win that series. But

Michael Marcangelo:

before we before you walk the Celtics into their slaughter, I think there's just one more thing that I want

Rob Kelly:

to talk shortest preview ever.

Dave Clarke:

It's like that LeBron. It's like that LeBron James meme where he's got the cigarette in the do rag and he's like, I don't give a shit. NetSim for

Michael Marcangelo:

there is one more thing that I think we should talk about, because I think it could lend a little bit of optimism to those listening for the Celtics is that there was a time I believe it was in the fourth quarter where we had a pretty big lead, but it was closing right. I think the wizards brought it down to 9184. It was within seven, then the Celtics go on a 15 to six run to close it out, which is something that we've all been begging for them to do since the heat series last year. So I'll ask you is was this more of the Celtics? Finally, again, flipping that switch and understanding the moment and doing what they need to do to close out or was it just because the wizards were just piss poor offensively good, Bobby.

Rob Kelly:

It was the wizard. I don't. I don't mean to be that guy. But like, Listen, Scotty Brooks is a bad basketball coach. And the fact that he was letting David Burton's handle the basketball and crunch time and it's who went off against us who was it was a Shea Schmidt Right. Yeah. Hey, Schmidt. Schmidt. Schmidt had a great game. Great game. He couldn't sniff the basketball in the last three minutes. It's like it's unbelievably kept going to the wrong guy.

Michael Marcangelo:

It was it was it was it was it right so what was that more Celtics are more wizards?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I mean, I have to say it's us. I mean, just seem has always blown leads. And we talked about this I just think fatality as he even a word. But when Yeah, what if analogy is coming, it does something to you. And I feel like they responded, you know, and that's what we've been asking to do that so I'm not I'm not going to take away from him and he finally responded the way that we wanted them to respond but like say, Tatum said we're not losing this game kemba said we're not losing this game you know? So that alone those guys combined for what? 80 points or 79 points like there was no way those guys were going to win Honestly, I thought it was gonna be so far that Washington messed around in one because it Schmitz has killed Boston, no matter where he's been. right but I'm saying he scored 17 and then but I mean far as Burt's house goes, you know, Bobby they paid him 80 million he got he got he got to do something.

Unknown:

I'm not even Burton's 80 million.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Well, because he's probably he's definitely an he's on. And it is not an exaggeration, in my opinion used to go back and check the numbers. He's definitely a top five shooter in the league when he's on that's not on a real estate or real estate take I should say, but let's say he also was off. I said we talked about Russ but Brooks has got paid less he's getting paid $80 million dollars and he was almost seven from 307 but he was terrible as I

Rob Kelly:

show off he got poked in the eye looks like he was dead on the floor and the wizards didn't even stop what they were doing and just drained his three with him get on the basketball court. They're like alright

Rayshawn Buchanan:

meanwhile another guy gets poked in the eye sees sees three oh

Unknown:

yeah three RAM is awesome.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

So I should have stayed up late but I did I stayed up I was I watched it was beautiful. It was great stuff for three hours.

Michael Marcangelo:

Before we move on to the net slaughter series, I posed the same question What was that was that 15 to six run indicative of the subjects finally other balls finally dropping? And what I'm going to add what I will add just for you How does Rob Williams and Marcus smart being banged up for this next series impact the way that you feel about it? Very good question.

Dave Clarke:

I think I'm going to take the middle of the road for the first questions answer between Bobby and Ryan. I just think there's no way to know because what's going to happen is we're about to just go get absolutely buzzsaw by the Brooklyn Nets. So even if this was a turning point in their season, and even if this you know, because it was the playing game and it mattered and it was pride on the line and all the things that are racing or it's just that the wizard suck there's no way to test the hypothesis in a controlled scientific environment because we're just going to go get killed right now so I hope we don't I mean I think best case scenario you know we go into the next series and Ray is proven right but because we grid out a seven game series against them like Chicago did to us in a way that's that's

Rayshawn Buchanan:

all I want that's how I want like if I think is less than you you can lose but if we could get all this go

Dave Clarke:

down fight and then I think that read maybe that'll you know it's true if they do that then I think raise right if they don't which I mean yes the wizards game maybe makes you think that they will but every single other game this

Rob Kelly:

season makes you think that they won't the wizards game thinks that you might that they're just

Dave Clarke:

not very good

Michael Marcangelo:

wizards and the stakes behind the game but I think can get a little bit sure so

Dave Clarke:

I get a steak so but I will just say to answer your follow up question I mean, I hate to plant my flag in this hill but like I'm so fucking sick and Marcus smart is like

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Hey, listen man get on the couch let's talk about it.

Dave Clarke:

I get it like I get it you know and i Boston slap myself every time I think it every time these intrusive thoughts come in I go like well, who else has got that heart and who else is trying that hard? And who else is play in that perimeter defense? But then he Jacks up like it's like Do you remember Do you remember Derek Fisher for the Lakers? No, obviously you do he like you know he was a decent he was a middling to decent point guard that was always found open by Kobe because Kobe took three guys to the rim every time you know what I'm talking about here who like lied about his kid having like an eye problem so he can move back to LA Derek Fisher always hit a shot at the most at the worst time against the Celtics like whenever a Derek Fisher shot went in I guarantee you it was at the exact moment where you really didn't want a three to go in. Marcus smart is the exact same way except he's on the Celtics and they miss like it's like markings. I could not think of a worse time for somebody with your shooting percentage to be jacking up a fucking three. And there's like you know we spent the first 25 minutes this show like waxing lyrical about Jayson Tatum and how he's the greatest scorer in the world. If I have to watch him stand unguarded going like this to Marcus smart one more time as Marcus smart just sees his fucking name and lights and Jacks up the ugliest fucking jump shot and just it's always misses. It's never like Ah, you know Mark is it's always like, against the rim. It's like there's no finesse on the shot whatsoever. Who is so scared of him that he just please stop shooting Marcus please. I will say this as a final attendant Brad Stevens was very vocal in that game against the wizards and I noticed it and I really liked it and I think he should do more of that.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah. Can't wait to go horseshoes. Can I wait a

Rob Kelly:

second? Yeah. So I completely 100% agree. I know that this is like again. It's the anti Boston take and like it's

Dave Clarke:

tough man I get I know I was supposed to love them.

Rob Kelly:

Listen, I know on this show, I'm the one that's supposed to like slit my wrists and just green ooze is supposed to come out of my veins.

Dave Clarke:

I see a doctor if that happens.

Rob Kelly:

100% but I'm also so sick of him and there's Listen, I get the heart I get the I get it. There are so many other players in this league that can give you everything that Marcus smart gives you that both you

Dave Clarke:

and I would straight swap them for Avery Bradley right now.

Rob Kelly:

Like honestly, just as much, but they know their role. They're not going to. What bothers me about it, though, is like you literally he knows he can't chew. It

Dave Clarke:

bothers me like he said it. He's like, I'm not gonna stop.

Rob Kelly:

That drives me nuts.

Michael Marcangelo:

I just want to point out here that I had that same take

Unknown:

like I get it. I know.

Michael Marcangelo:

And you both are like no, Marcus is he needs his shots in before because then he hits five in a row in the fourth quarter against the Raptors put you over

Dave Clarke:

you had that take at the peak of his shooting there. Like he was shooting the best he'd ever shot before. Since when you said that

Michael Marcangelo:

five of 19 No, it wasn't

Dave Clarke:

five of 19 he was shooting really well. He was shooting really well. And he was shooting well in that series. He shot 41% for threes. I mean, I'm just saying the correct take at the wrong time is still the wrong take

Michael Marcangelo:

that I think that it's better to be early than late when it comes takes

Dave Clarke:

I think takes her like sex. I think it's better to last a little bit longer. But

Unknown:

we're we're moving on.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

And here we go. That's the quarter. That's the course.

Michael Marcangelo:

We're we're moving on to the Celtics vs. No, all the positivity is going to be just sucked out. So I get your Zoloft ready. It's a joke, but this series is not going to be great. I mean, we have the number two Brooklyn Nets against the Boston Celtics. And again, before we talk about the matchup, I just want to drop a little bit of a fact on you. I did a little bit of research so you please verify the math. The Nets big three are combined 39 and 23 against the Celtics, you know in their career, so I'm going to say that first off Okay, second, not yet. Sorry, Bobby. Second off. How bad of a matchup is this for the Boston Celtics? Ray you can go first?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, so when I hear that record, or the Jim Carrey so there's a chance you know, there's a 40% chance they find a way to win a game or maybe win the series Well, I mean, we say this would be the biggest upsell I've been hearing this will be the biggest upset maybe it's just a we believe warriors beat the Mavericks back in the 60s or seven. I mean you guys have said that James Harden disappears well this is the time Michelle time

Unknown:

this is the problem even if he does

Rayshawn Buchanan:

well I'm saying but no no no but I'm This is my thing. We say that he said that harder disappears.

Dave Clarke:

I never did I was pro hard and I was on your team Don't kill me with these guys. No, no, you

Rayshawn Buchanan:

will not you and I you and I big guy. It was it was Mike and Bobby it was it was out of control. You do not want him on the team.

Dave Clarke:

Mike Mike was going oh yeah, are the Brooklyn Nets really going to be this good this year? We're going yeah.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

He's like hey, rain 15 it's like shut up stop it like he went to without heart and

Unknown:

I almost wish Doc Rivers was their head coach honestly. Just like really bring everything full circle.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Right? Oh, that would have been brutal. And then me and Mike probably would have been going we're gonna have that whole hour podcast about that whatever was there But anyways, you know, you know we've called carry a head case on the show really all six of us have called that you know, Craig and getting into his phone carrying chance to you know, he was talking about the other night, but I don't know man, I just to me to me, and anything can happen. Anything is possible, like he said, but this is a look, man. There are others they're going to lose the series, but it's not going to be the wash. And one thing is I'll say that

Michael Marcangelo:

all right. All right. So So Bobby, do you think's even if harden score zero points and all these games to the Celtics have a chance of winning the series?

Rob Kelly:

No. Was it? How much of a 180 I'm taking on this game? Like I was the positive guy all year and I'm just Oh, I know. I'm so sick of it. No, they don't man. And listen. Jayson Tatum still has pocket championship DNA. Don't put words in my mouth.

Michael Marcangelo:

I literally just echoed the words from your mouth.

Dave Clarke:

Don't put DNA in his mouth Mike.

Rob Kelly:

So the thing is, is like, Listen, a great offensive night for the Celtics. is a poor offensive night for the Brooklyn Nets. That's the thing is like the nets for the Celtics to have a semblance of a chance in this series, the Nets need to play their worst game that they could possibly play for four games and the Celtics need to play their best game for four games. That's the only way and that's not going to happen. And I just want to touch on something because it annoyed me to the point where like, I disowned all Celtics fans was after that fucking game chanting we want Brooklyn I'm sorry I got the adrenaline I get it. I've been in that mob mentality. Yeah, recently. You don't want

Dave Clarke:

if you're in that crowd, you would have been like you would have had I we want Brooklyn tattooed on your chest by the

Rob Kelly:

guy sitting there.

Unknown:

Texting us like I started that chant. That was me.

Rob Kelly:

You don't you don't want Brooklyn

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Why? Why not though. Why not though? Cuz you're

Dave Clarke:

way better than us at basketball.

Rob Kelly:

Yeah, like there's any other I wouldn't rather the Sixers, I would around anyone else Brooklyn is absolutely wax the floor with us. There's no chance.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Why don't you Why don't you want to beat the best team? Because

Michael Marcangelo:

I want to but can they? They're not

Rob Kelly:

going no, not without. Especially not without Jalen.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Both guys approved this book. I mean, we said that in 2018. We lost Hayward and fucking Kyrie. Led by rookie Tatum, rookie Tatum a second year, Jaylen Brown. These guys got to literally and one away from the NBA Finals. Just saying,

Dave Clarke:

you know for sure. Listen, I just think that the issue is, I think for me, at least on paper. Is that like, the matchups are really bad. Like, I think if we came into this playoffs at as like the Celtics, we thought we were going to be this season with everybody healthy. I think we could actually match up surprisingly well against the Brooklyn Nets. I feel like there's a chance that Jaylen brown could go keep James Harden like relatively quiet. I think there's a battle to be had with Kyrie and and kemba I think that KD is going to eviscerate us no matter what but maybe we could guard him by committee like hopefully, or whatever the problem is now with these matchups like Tatum's just gonna get so exposed defensively? You know what I mean? Like they're gonna go at him every single time. Because realistically, you have to put him on with like, probably with Robert Williams put him on KD but always can't guard KD even with Jason helping them and Jason is just going to be so tired by the end of like every quarter. Because then it's just such a load to carry, you know, and then it's like, Okay, well let's go to Canva offensively. But then like we've seen Canva when you get when you throw a lot at him, like with defensive responsibility he like gets, you know, he fades offensively so we've seen that in the past so I just think it's a lot of firepower coming our way Now am I gonna watch it and yell and scream and support them and be sad when they don't win and think that they're gonna win and in the moment and be pumped when the shots go in? Of course, but I was just looking at it on paper it's upsettingly lopsided right,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

but that's why we play the game. Like I mean, listen as an artist I mean, in a grid This is a whole different scenario because it's a one game thing. I'm sorry at the what I saw happened to the New England Patriots. oh seven I never think that nothing's that everything. There's nothing absolute ever.

Dave Clarke:

The best team tends to win across seven games though.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Sure, but I would say just nothing ever is absolute like that. That's just not like whether it was okay Sr 26 Okay, he should have won in 2016 day Dan obviously was going to say he's got to the finals he don't want to 2016 day day like there's there was only there's only been one season that I saw. That was absolute. And that was a 2016 2017 warriors. That's the only team I've ever looked at was like whatever. You could have put the 65 Celtic it wouldn't have mattered like why the only year why why what why did you think that about that

Rob Kelly:

team? The K d the Cade, Katie Stafford

Rayshawn Buchanan:

play my guy was a joke. It was a joke. Yeah. There you go. One for One. This victory is older. That's one, two. This victory is not better than clay. Stephen. Even though Katie's the guy that's been there for both of them that this is not better than no worries. I'm sorry. Berkeley doesn't have a Draymond Green demonstrating Blake Griffin. But let's be honest. No, no.

Dave Clarke:

You see a highlight the other day. I was pretty cool. That behind the back one that

Unknown:

was dope. That was sick.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Great. I mean, that's But once again, it's See I think y'all still think it's gonna be attacking me. It's not attacking me in the playoffs. It has to slow down. It's gonna slow down.

Dave Clarke:

I'm not benefits Arden.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Right. But it benefits Tatum, too. It benefits him It benefits can be honestly. So who's going to tell them? No.

Rob Kelly:

I don't think it matters. It doesn't. Right. Because remember what you said. So so let's rewind back to the beginning of the pod where we were talking about this wizards game, right? And you were like, Bobby, you know, we're both on the same page. They don't have a fucking chance. You think they really have a choice?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

No, it's not about an average chance. But I my thing is I'm not gonna sit here and say that they can't compete with them. Like we're saying we don't but no, but that's what y'all are making. Seems like they get off the bus and said is over. That's crazy.

Unknown:

I just think we're definitely just ready for it,

Rob Kelly:

I'm ready to have. I don't mean to already get here, I'm ready to have a positive mindset about this fucking team. And this series is not going to bring me that positive mindset and listen, I got even fantasizing about what's going to happen in the draft what's going to happen in the free agency. I'm ready for that. So like, I know, so I will make the moves we're gonna make around the draft that we're gonna cave

Rayshawn Buchanan:

on making.

Rob Kelly:

I'm just so ready for that. And not just this bullshit and like, Listen, I loved him. I can't wait to watch him go off in the playoffs and hopefully we can pull out a game. But like

Dave Clarke:

I'm actually normally very positive. I'm normally very positive about the Celtics. I'm right now I'm not right. I'm not so much writing them off, right as I am just like very worried that this could be a bloodbath.

Unknown:

Okay, well,

Michael Marcangelo:

let's reset expectations that Okay, so given that I think we all agree that the Brooklyn Nets are going to win this series right? What right what would determine success for you as a Celtics fan in this series?

Dave Clarke:

Taking the seven?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

At least six? At least six at least six?

Dave Clarke:

That's gonna be tough. Anything less than six is embarrassing.

Rob Kelly:

I don't know if it's cuz you can play don't say five five game series. You can play a top five game series,

Dave Clarke:

they beat us if they beat us in five we're everybody's got to go so fucking firesale I it's already that. But it's really definitely.

Rob Kelly:

It's very, very possible. Like you say that I can't getting one game against this team. And I guess I just have Well, I think getting a game against this nets team. Well, like getting a game by one or by 30. Like there's a difference right? If you're in listen as I will go back as long as we don't look like we did in the first half against the Spurs and the second half against the pelicans. We can't see that fucking team in this playoff series. If that team shows up. It's an embarrassment.

Michael Marcangelo:

Let me ask you a question about before before we move on, let's say and again this is just hypothetical everyone. Let's say that we get swept but we lose every game by three. Is that a competitive series for you Bobby?

Dave Clarke:

No, you got swept.

Michael Marcangelo:

Let's say you losing five but for for those games you lose by three. And you can pull one of them out. Yeah.

Dave Clarke:

You're saying that you're saying is like of all the expectations we have for this team? Was the regular season.

Rob Kelly:

presentations for me are

Dave Clarke:

gone. There was the regular season that depressing that you're going well if we can take one game off the Brooklyn Nets then I don't think they're complete shit.

Rob Kelly:

We lost. I don't know if there was there's the Cavs who had lost 13 straight there was the magic who we have lost the teams that are the worst teams I've seen played basketball in a long time in a one week so yes, that entire stretch just the route out the fucking window.

Dave Clarke:

It has been a weird year though to raise point to raise point it has been a weird year it's been a weird year for everybody like that. You know that there's teams in the West that have a legitimate chance of when the whole thing that you know just had a play in with the Golden State Warriors, you know, like I could see the Lakers going to win another championship this year, can you and like you know, I get it. It's been a weird it's been a weird fucking year and like Brooklyn hasn't won games It was supposed to. And we've lost games that we were supposed to win granted and it's been very frustrating product to watch. But I do see Ray's point in the sense that it's been a weird year and anything can happen in the playoffs especially around one round ones weirdest fuck and always has

Rayshawn Buchanan:

honestly I'm gonna put this out there as a heartache right now if they do go six don't mean that means that Boston's gonna win game one. I got Boston winning game. We'll put it on putting it on wax right now. But for the game guests, that's the game the people the teams the most vulnerable. You guys still game one on the road? That's the game. You catch them. You catch him slipping. Orlando did it took Toronto a couple years ago when did the August thing

Dave Clarke:

we just played?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, we just played he also and you know, we had the momentum so to speak, because, you know, we've been playing more, you know, play basketball, so to speak, I just take with between the rest. You know, the way that kemba is playing the way its hitters were playing. And then I said well, how fornia has stepped up like I'm not counting on time, Lord, because I just felt like he's just not going to be there. Just his house. It was awesome. The other night as well. Yeah, he had 10 points.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, he's been playing, you know, 12

Rayshawn Buchanan:

points every month. So that's what really envisioned when they sign them. And I just think that that's something that's going to be huge. And yeah, so as long as you have a man rotation and you know those guys played that's nothing to win horseshoes is forced to actually coach and actually keep a rotation. That's when that's when results actually happened. So that's why even in that game against New York last Sunday, right? All the guys were out. But that's that was a horseshoe special. Those guys were down 15 they go on a 15 hour run. They come back and like man, what happened? like the way this team is actually playing hard? Yes. Because when he has guys that buys into him, that their demeanor unstoppable, but it's just like, well, forgive me. I do not know what to do. I'm gonna go play I'm a hero. Well, I'm gonna do this. It's like no buy into where horses are saying, you might actually win a game or two, you're a

Michael Marcangelo:

couple of things. If you go back and listen to our interview with Steve Peck from the Herald that you can find that in the show notes, he talks a little bit about people buying in and what the record is, and then hero ball. And again, it's not malicious to your other point, though, Bobby, you have made fake money off of the Celtics this year, playing well against better teams. Now they haven't. But now they have an entire series predicated against better teams. My next point, it's a double edged question. So Ray, I'm gonna go to you Brooklyn's been averaging 118 points a game right there

Rob Kelly:

just so he can score 118 points on

Michael Marcangelo:

their best fucking night. They are an offensive juggernaut however their kryptonite though would be their defensive allow 114 points again, you know, throughout the entire season, so do the Celtics have enough? Either offensive firepower? Or can they muster enough defensive stamina throughout the course of a seven game series to bring this to seven Ray?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

They still have got this they said we got to get to 20 a night by like 48 kemba and tandem so those are three guys they can use 20 on any given night. We can joke about smart all we want because they're smart obviously we don't want smart shooting the ball but he randomly can get you 25 in the game he did it against he did against Cleveland a few years back he didn't get serrana last year like there's gonna be moments when we he has a game or a moment you're like oh, okay, like that's why we give them around but they still have three legitimate Gods I can get you at least 18

Dave Clarke:

You know what, you know what? Fuck it I'm with Ray Celtics and six let's go running. Fucking running.

Unknown:

Let's go Let's do it. Go

Dave Clarke:

all those fucking fresh basketballs out it's time to play your

Unknown:

fucking Why not? Why not?

Dave Clarke:

Oh, I'm just I just was looking I was having legitimately and legitimately had a nightmare last night about the Celtics losing by like 100 points in game one. It's like it could be an absolute fucking slaughter and I actually the thing is, is I have a big mouth hence the podcast and I have a lot of people that I've talked been talking shit to this year about a lot of different things. It's hard to keep track. I don't even really know my opinion is but I'm going to get a lot of shit if the Saudis get embarrassed and I don't want that to happen. So yeah, fuck it. I'm all in. Let's go. I'm on the fucking choo choo high train. Choo choo.

Michael Marcangelo:

So So Ray, you just mentioned that the Celtics have three people that can put up 60 per night. That's great. Well, 20 each

Unknown:

Yeah, I

Michael Marcangelo:

know a body of the big three in Brooklyn average 77 points per game 25 for Kyrie

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Kaos playoffs play Oh, y'all keep young disappears. What are we talking about? So if you think I don't think he's

Unknown:

going to disappear the

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I don't think maybe he doesn't but Okay, so somebody is having a game Great. So if you take away his 25 and maybe it's down to like 18 is that not more image This

Dave Clarke:

is dangerous math. You can't be doing this.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

But he's had terrible games in the playoffs.

Rob Kelly:

harden got that label when he was by himself isobar in Houston he disappeared in that situation 100% of the time. This is his field he never had talent like

Dave Clarke:

are you have to admit that he he's adjusted his game in Brooklyn very drastic no

Rayshawn Buchanan:

i'm not i'm not disagree with

Rob Kelly:

listen and you guys know I was off the hardened train and three seeing the harden that was in Brooklyn. I was literally on this podcast was like Jesus I wish we could get a guy like that in Boston.

Dave Clarke:

It's he and Bobby everybody.

Rob Kelly:

Right? It just feels different. I'm just saying.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, no, they're really good. I knew they're gonna be

Rayshawn Buchanan:

nominal I just to me, I just it's amazing how quick the narrative change as like now is just like Well, whatever problem has happened before it's like it's not gonna happen because he's now there.

Dave Clarke:

I never said he was gonna fall off I always said he was good I wanted him in Boston. Oh,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

no, no, no, listen to me I just we talked about this and I think me and Bobby agreed on this well mostly me and Bobby came along I was like, you got to let hard to carry you in a regular season and then you like hit you like Kyrie and Katie take over let's keep it real Katie is one pop hamstring from being on the bench like you and I like like the rest

Dave Clarke:

everybody's one pop hamstring for being on the bench you

Rayshawn Buchanan:

know especially I'm saying he's had it on he's had a ligament injury all year we never know where Kyrie is going to be.

Dave Clarke:

Somebody should be like slipped somebody should be like affecting Kyrie his Instagram feed like it like to tell them that they like talking about the UFOs like getting to hear about the UFOs be like dude Obama said it was real, like really getting fired up be like is basketball really important right now, like think about this like your foes we need you Kyrie we need you Kyrie you need to we need you to get to the bottom of this. You're the smartest man in basketball.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

He said as a reporter right now. So

Michael Marcangelo:

the thing about this is Tyrese not the variable in the situation that he's played. Sorry. Oh, no, he isn't. He's played 20 games against the Celtics. He's 20 and 80 hours is 24.7 rebounds and Seven assists, he will show up he will the person that is the variable it is hard and but the problem now is for the Celtics is that KD and Kyrie are enough to outmatch Jayson Tatum

Dave Clarke:

a lot less than KD and Kyrie has been enough to outmatch this current se team I think is our issue but I do agree I think there is no we got nothing to lose at this point. We got into the playoffs. Once you're in the dance, you're in the dance. Let's go maybe we do fucking win. But I'd like to see Emily's take it at seven.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, can I be honest? Like like I haven't been honest already. What we're talking about Kyrie KD and harden. You know who's really gonna kill us is really Joe Harris. We're talking about he's got it's not gonna be the gods that we expect. It's never that with the Celtics team. It's always it's gonna be a Joe Harris is going to be a nick Claxton. It's going to be a Bruce Brown, you know, shout out to Roxbury are you doing Bruce places like that? That's that's what it's gonna be. So we're worried about the big three. That's not the guys we have to worry about. It's the others that's going to come up they get a 25 point night, that's when they become unbeatable. It's not because those guys is going, you know, 2425 28 at night, it's the other guys is getting six and eight from three and they say well, damn, you let Joe Harris get you for 35 that that's the problem

Michael Marcangelo:

was Joe Harris. Like, was he generalization or do you actually mean him? Because Joe Harris is no

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I'm saying I'm serious. He's an elite shooter. And he's gonna be someone that that kills us out there.

Michael Marcangelo:

Yeah, but he's in his career. He's eight and 10 against others. Only averages 11 points again,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I'm telling you Mike is always the guys that we don't expect. estimators has 17 the other night. It's a joke. Remember the buck series? There's

Rob Kelly:

the guy that was from fucking Walpole. What was his name? connington. Or Oh,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

yeah, yeah.

Unknown:

retconning to

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Virginia. It's a joke. No, ridiculous.

Rob Kelly:

The only thing that I will say is when it comes to Brad Stevens, I do agree that this is when he coaches at his best. And this has been the consistent from day one since he got to Boston, as when this team is at, when someone's hurt. They just seem to have a different energy about them. And I don't know if you guys remember during that Hayward Tatum, that whole run where we had everyone, whenever they all played together that played like shit. As soon as one got hurt and got taken out of that lineup. We were a better team. It was like clockwork, like you knew someone was out there, we're gonna play better.

Michael Marcangelo:

I mean, if there ever was a series for our narratives that we've all kind of spewed throughout the last year to fit. It's this one, right? It's Brad Stevens outperforms expectations when they're low. You can get it you can't walk into a series with much lower expectations. And this one holds on I hope that is true. It feels like it is so let's just go you know, quickly around DK I'll give you just a little bit of a final thought What are your serious predictions for the Celtics versus the Nets?

Dave Clarke:

I wish we had the the Tatum rookie season Celtics with when we were like the best defensive team in the NBA

Rob Kelly:

when we could match up with the warriors and going in 19 Oh bronze against them and shit. Yeah,

Dave Clarke:

yeah, I think that version of se would have a better chance but honestly Ray's got me fired up at any he's touched on what I think is the truest piece of my fan DNA which is you might as well fucking 30 support behind them because that's what you're there for. Like our job as fans as supporters is to support the team. It's not to shit on I mean, our job as podcasters is to shit on them. Well come game time. I want to be all in like i'm gonna i'm just gonna want to win. I'm going to talk shit about all the players that I'd know in my bitter jealous heart are really good. rochlin I was actually not of the I was not really very firmly in the anti Kyrie camp while he was here. I think I think I was like, please just let him be crazy. He's really good at basketball was kind of my overarching is like please please don't make him leave. Like I get that he's just let him say stupid shit. He's so good. But he left I'm so fucking he plays for the Brooklyn Nets now. And you know, I hope their bus breaks down the way but if that doesn't happen, I hope we Celtics in six fucking let's do it.

Michael Marcangelo:

All right, Bobby. prediction.

Rob Kelly:

So clear eyes full hearts can't lose. Yeah, listen. You guys know when it comes to game one. I'm gonna be sitting here with my fucking Celtics high socks on my fucking wicked smart shirt, and I'm gonna be all into 100% I bleed green till I die. They don't have a fucking chance. That's it. That's all I have. That's all I have to say. That's In fact,

Unknown:

and I'll be happy with it.

Michael Marcangelo:

Ray go ahead and give me your prediction because it sounds like you know and again you're first of all, you're a basketball encyclopedia. You are a great resource for us and you converted DK into into picking the Celtics in this series. So you tell me Celtics nets.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, so obviously this is my heart's always gonna pick Boston like that. Let's just put that out there. That's obvious. I'm in my heart of hearts. I believe we're going to get an old nine southerns bulls type series. Me I said the natural winter Simon could just have enough in the end to be in the Berkeley center it'll be too much but I expect it to be serious I'm gonna go next and seven I mean I said obviously there's always variables but just right now I'm gonna go next to seven

Michael Marcangelo:

so for me the eye test or sorry the heart says Celtics and seven

Rob Kelly:

eye test I love him like

Michael Marcangelo:

the eye test says nets and for I mean that's just I really I'm going to be rooting for them every game I know I'm going to catch a lot of shit for it both on social media and in our group chat about it. But I truly am rooting for them. I just believe that in the NBA when you have three amazing talents like the Nets have even if one cannot show up someone like Duran and someone like hiree can can make up for that. So I just think that listen if they if they suddenly status and seven that says a lot about them. I think that the fire show that we that we've all been talking about throughout the season does not happen.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

No, no, no, no, no, no, no no don't get don't get you can't say that.

Dave Clarke:

If the Celtics win and

Unknown:

everyone's coming back.

Dave Clarke:

I'll tell you something right now if the Celtics win in seven we're all sitting here going Can you guys believe Jayson Tatum scored 60 points a game every No one's ever done that before?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

That's crazy. I'm sorry Mike. I can't I will not I will not agree

Rob Kelly:

180 points.

Unknown:

Can you believe you

Dave Clarke:

remember what his arm stretched like Michael Jordan and Space Jam for that game winning shot was insane

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I would not be bamboozled I would not be hoodwinked. I would not be led astray Mr. Mark Angelo I don't care they win this series.

Unknown:

Now everyone's got to go.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Everyone's got to go. So I'm sorry. I

Michael Marcangelo:

know I'm not I'm not telling I'm not saying like how you feel changed but what I'm telling you is that if they stretch this and if they went in seven everyone's coming back shit

Dave Clarke:

no, I hope they lose

Rob Kelly:

this that's that's what

Michael Marcangelo:

I'll be saying. That's just what's gonna happen so we

Unknown:

mean we breed the Brooklyn Nets. Anyway, here's grant Williams

Michael Marcangelo:

oh god oh. To do it for this happy go lucky Celtics podcast so

Rob Kelly:

really lately? What's your take? you'd ever said your prediction don't

Dave Clarke:

you just finished saying I said

Unknown:

yeah, you want to short term memory.

Rob Kelly:

Cells ladies and gentlemen. They're good for you in case

Michael Marcangelo:

we are our listeners do better than you because I said heart means Celtics win and seven I tested NetSuite and for for the real BK Bob Kelly D cases will Dave Clark Hollywood while I raise Shawn Buchanan, thank you so much for listening to missing the point. We'll talk to you later.