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April 20, 2022

Celtics up 1-0 on the Nets, Marcus Smart wins DPOY, Kyrie is the Supervillain we NEED

Celtics up 1-0 on the Nets, Marcus Smart wins DPOY, Kyrie is the Supervillain we NEED

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The Boston Celtics pulled off one of the most incredible last-second finishes in NBA Playoff History as Jayson Tatum hit a layup that gave the C's a 115-114 Game 1 victory over Kyrie Irving and the Brooklyn Nets, we'll break down the heart attack victory, as game 2 at the TD Garden looms Wednesday night.

Marcus Smart was named the Defensive Player of the Year (DPOY) Monday, we'll talk about his defensive prowess and if he has deserved all the criticism he has received since being drafted 6th overall in the 2014 NBA Draft.

Finally, one of the biggest stories coming into and out of Game 1 would be the reception the TD Garden would give Kyrie Irving.  Predictably, he was heavily booed upon his return and we discuss why that may have been a bad thing, given he scored 39 points.

But Kyrie might be the supervillain the Celtics need to take the next leap.

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Transcript
Rayshawn Buchanan:

Hello and welcome to the next edition of listening point I am wishing be candid with my guys the basketball crew real BK Bob Kelly and DK sizzle fellas How you doing tonight? We should be pumped out right?

Rob Kelly:

Bro I wish we were doing this yesterday unbelievable you know what we'll get into it but honestly one of the best Celtics playoff games I can remember just with the ending how it all went descriptive everything Kyrie playing a fucking super villain like legitimate villain on the fucking basketball court It was unbelievable event is one of the best basketball games I can ever remember.

Dave Clarke:

It was awesome dude. I feel like I was watching with my buddy and we kind of had this narrative which I think like everybody had probably going in and it was like, I really hope we blow them out because I think if we hit like a close game I don't really fancy our chances like yeah, like lately we've been better at that like defense looks good. But Kyrie and KD like you know if they if it comes down to one guy needs to hit a shot to win the game, which it did. You know, even in my heart of hearts. I love our guys, but I'm thinking I'm pretty scared of Kevin Durant still. So I wanted us to blow them out. And I honestly I thought we were kind of screwed going into going into those last two minutes because it just it looked like the momentum was 100% with Brooklyn, but yeah, what a finished you What a finish. And like all this stuff with Tyree and like everything that was going down the way it was, and it kinda look like he was in our heads a little bit, at least as a fan base. But obviously the way it ends up it doesn't, you know, it doesn't come out like that. But I just enjoyed it so thoroughly. I think I was really worried. If we're going in chronological order, I was really worried. At the start when we looked like we were playing the best defense we were playing all year, and that's saying something because we were playing some really fucking good defense this year. And we were just like hand checking in like stealing the ball and like, like, if you've never seen Kevin Durant play before that, like first five minutes, you'd be like, That guy's not that good. And like we had them completely quiet, Apple, we weren't really capitalizing on it or like, all of a sudden you look down, it's like we're only up by four. We're only up by two. And it's like, we weren't really converting like that those big hustle defensive plays and like that got me worried. So I was anxious. I was anxious from the start. And it was a big relief, big blowup relief for the period.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, know for sure. And what was it? Well, we'll get there. We'll get into that we'll do a deep dive into that. Before we get into that though. Even though we gave you a quick little preview gave us a little tease Bay market teaser that as we call it. There was some hardware given out today. Marcus smart point guard out of Oklahoma State six six overall pick at 2014. Finding the first guard Since Gary paying to win the award or the Feds player of the year. So you know decal start with you, but just how excited were you to see him get that award and just how was his defense impacted? You know how they're seeing plays overall,

Dave Clarke:

I was pretty excited. I feel like and this is you know, this is for another show tune in to the rewrap where we talk extensively about this. But the last time is Celtic in my memory one defensive player of the year it was our boy Kevin Garnett. In 2008. In his first year with the Celtics, I think that Boston is a defense first organization to defense for his culture. It's a place you don't want to come and play. And I think we build our attitudes and our mindset from our D I think that all the best Boston teams I've ever watched in my lifetime with I guess maybe the exclusion of the Pierce Walker three point guru crazy run but I mean, they were decent at defense too. But you know, I think all of our best teams all every time that there's shades of you know to use Bobby's term championship DNA, I think it's built from a defensive point of view. I think that we're all on record with our frustrations with Marcus specifically, but I think he's really bought into the system this year. I think he was integral and you know, we had on our last show that we were it feels like yesterday, we had Mr. Weiss from the athletic talking to us about you know, him bashing the Jays in the media and then he may come in right over the top again and getting them kind of where they needed to be. I think it is defensive. I think he deserves the war. But I also think the thing that Marcus brings to the table and I you know, this is no surprise to anybody that watches his team. The thing that Marcus brings to the table is definitely that work rate that that heart that hustle those intangibles that make us love watching Marcus smart play, and I think now that he's sort of dialed his game in a little bit he takes and hit the game of his life right away in game one. I mean, he played like he played out of his absolute skin. And it was the way that you love love to see Marcus smart plays. It's good shot selection. It's great defense. It's anybody that he gets one on one you're okay with. It doesn't matter if it's Kevin Durant or Kyrie Irving or who you know, whoever their guy is, if Marcus is on him, he'll be like, I'll take you You know it'll make those plays. I think well deserved I think there's a lot of great defenders in the NBA but like I think well deserved from Marcus and you know, shades a k g man. I love it. I'm super excited. It's one of my favorite awards for Celtic to win if not my favorite other than Finals MVP.

Rob Kelly:

I like it. Ya know, I think when it comes to mark is what really made this year happen, I think because you could have made the argument for Marcus in the past it just, I feel like there was always the offensive game kind of outweighed that defense where it almost broke out even. But this year, you see a different Marcus on the floor where he's a playmaker. Now he's the guy that passes up that shot to make that ridiculous pass to Tatum at the end of the game. He was just a different player than he was before. But still that same defensive guy, if not better than he ever has been man. He's the heart and soul of his team. You saw it when he won the one he won the award, which was dope, bring Gary Payton out to present it to him, you can just tell that this team revolves around Marcus and you're completely right DK when you said to about the criticism used to take and everything that came with Marcus with this defensive ability. And it's something that Celtics was a bit on his back for very, very long time. And I just feel like it's it's just kind of invalidates everything that he's done in a Celtics uniform, getting this award, and just putting all that behind them and just being legitimately the best defensive player in the NBA. And that's such a cool thing to say about some of the subjects, especially about Marcus was all the years we've been through with him, bro. He's the only one he was here through the original Marcus banks era where we lost 55 games. He was here through the Isaiah Thomas era, Evan Turner, Kelly allit, like Kyrie Irving, every era,

Dave Clarke:

and a lot of people had a problem with his draft to you know, like when we picked him out a lot. I mean, I was okay, so I've said a lot of stupid shit about the Celtics over the years, but at least I'm not on record. At least I'm not on record hate and Mark is when we drafted him. I'm on record getting frustrated with him. But you know, I think it's a unique thing in basketball. It's something that we saw in the, in the 74, when Golden State Warriors, your best player doesn't necessarily need to be the emotional leader on your team. And I think, I wouldn't say that Marcus is our most talented player. But I would say that he is the sort of the spiritual and emotional leader in the locker room. Part of it is, you know, he's officially a veteran now. And part of it is, I think it's pretty clear that the guys respect him. And I think that he plays the way he talks, you know, he talks, he talks the way he talks, I guess, he backs himself and he does the stuff that he extreme wouldn't ask somebody on the team to do something that he wouldn't do. And I think, you know, we said like I said, we saw it on the Golden State team or Draymond Green you know, love him or hate him. He was the emotional leader on that team, if not necessarily the you know, the points leader or the you know, whatever, it's okay to have that in basketball, especially if you have you know, some good chemistry elsewhere. So I'm really happy to have them for that reason and I think if you don't see that when you watch the games and you're just looking at you know, his statline admittedly a statline was great in in game one, but if you're just looking into statline and you're not looking at that and you're not watching the game the right way, you know, right what about you where do you really overall stand with Marcus smart like, where is it? I've seen you get frustrated with him, but we all have what's your like, overall now that he got this like he said, piece of hardware, like, where are you at with him?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

So I mean, listen, first, I want to say congrats on where it was awesome to see him win that I was someone that was not happy drafting that I wasn't I was a huge Rajon Rondo guy. And you know, Ronda was the last slide of the big three, just about the Big Four really to stay in block kind of one wanted to see what he could do been under brassicas at the time. So I was like, wait a minute, you're gonna get rid of rondo? Well, you know, it wasn't a British tutor for another guy who was also on degreaser like so I was already pissed off

Dave Clarke:

the idea of building a team around Rondo for the first time. Right, exactly right. giving him the opportunity to feed a sister like real legitimate shooters is what I think we all kind of thought was gonna happen. I can understand that.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Right? He's after so I was just like, This doesn't make sense. Like, why would you go get another point guard that, you know, the date that can't do? We're running over? He does that we're running that slide at the same level. But needless to say, you know, some years go by and you only got a year, I thought that you would actually have a chance to win. It was actually the 2018 2019 year right. If you remember, obviously that season ended your turmoil was

Rob Kelly:

not the hardest. That was the hardest charge year. Right where he got that charge? Yes.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah. Harman Kardon melted down in that game at the end. Yeah, it was awesome.

Rob Kelly:

Like that, that it's so funny. You bring that up, right? Because I feel like that's where the rest of the league started to notice. Right. Am I right? Right. No,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I mean, I mean, I would I would hope so. I also think that because he was still coming off the bench behind Kyrie obviously because it was carried and it was what was dear you able to kind of interchangeable at that moment from the bench. But I think that, you know, when he put them in that starting lineup, you know, they were like 10 and 10. I think that started that year, and then he comes in and they go on to a game winning streak immediately. And it's because of This defense will gather this hustle and just barely his plays infectious. They don't.

Dave Clarke:

Do you see him as a Do you see him as a one though? Do you see him as a one because I feel like he does his best work.

Rob Kelly:

He under me here is man.

Dave Clarke:

It's I feel like I feel like he plays his best basketball and I don't think this is news to anybody. But I think he plays his best basketball off the ball. And I feel like there is something slow about how he brings the ball up the court like and I know in today's NBA, who brings the ball up the court is like a little less important than he used to be. You know, when you're like you mentioned Rajon Rondo like when he would when he walked up off the court, he was a quarterback and he was running. He was playmaking. He was calling plays. He was telling guys where to be and he was like making deadly passes. And I know that we get the ball out of the guy's hands a little bit quicker on the Celtics team, but I do like I still do have some issues with him offensively as far as like kind of playmaking from the start of the shot clock goes. Does anyone relate to me on that? Or is it am I just like a relic of the past? Yeah, has he developed his

Rayshawn Buchanan:

game? I think there's some truth to that. I mean, I think that he's worked really hard on not being the guy that you're speaking about. Honestly, it was a hard habit to break right and that's why we may had to come in and he had to break you know, smarts bad habits had to break teams bad habits.

Dave Clarke:

Datum still stands up to fucking straight when He dribbles but sure. Why.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Exactly. So we know he's finally becoming a playmaker that I think they envisioned when they drafted him in 2014. You know, once again, I wanted to get to that went behind right behind them. Julius Randle.

Dave Clarke:

I still like Julius Randle. Yeah,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I mean, I know you're gonna want to monitor that but that's another show another day but you know, you know he's walked

Rob Kelly:

in the chat in the chat today the other chat someone already started making that what if comparison of less than 24 hours after there's do just one defensive player the year like we can we can we give Marcus smart 24 fucking hours before we start playing the what if game with his draft? Please, please.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I mean, if you go back I mean, what was one day one? Yeah, obviously. Obviously. It'd be the guy in that draft obviously. You know, he went three we should have we could do you could do that about every draft. You ever drive, right, obviously, but

Rob Kelly:

but I think Marcus might be too now man. Is there anyone else on that? In that draft? That legitimately can be called the best at something in the NBA. Because Marcus smart. Factually is the best defensive player in the NBA, and beats

Dave Clarke:

and beats the best big man in the

Rob Kelly:

world besides him being

Dave Clarke:

cocky. Yeah.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I mean, wigs on wigs. Were one that year. Jabari Parker went to but obviously you know, he was

Dave Clarke:

talking Wiggins Wiggins had red flags, bro. Like, you know, it's like

Rayshawn Buchanan:

when he gets you know, it's funny it obviously no one wants him to say George's name. But he's a he's the guy that gets it. He's the guy because he gets he gets 18 at night. And if we unlike we call that a buses I'm gonna pick up my go.

Dave Clarke:

That's what I'm saying. Like, I feel like you know, you can it's so easy to redraft all these years. You know, like I'm happy to still brag about getting Jayson Tatum third overall, and having like Markel faults, it's, uh, you know, it's evolving.

Rob Kelly:

We got to know that first, we got another first round pick. But

Dave Clarke:

I think there really is I think there really is something to say that there is something to be said about the guys who actually did have red flags at the time, like marquel folks, like it was like that guy had red flags at the time. It was like, Yes, I understand that is upside was actually pretty high. But they started changing the shot right when he got into the lead. Like, that's just not gonna work, you know?

Rob Kelly:

What's not.

Dave Clarke:

To pull it back to my desk, my overall point, this is my overall point to pull it back to Marcus to pull it back to Marcus. I think there is something to be said for drafting a guy where you kind of know what you're gonna get. You know what I mean? And I think that and also, I think there's definitely something to be said for, and it's a cliche in basketball. And, you know, forgive me for sounding like Jeff Van Gundy, who is tried and true. My mortal fucking enemy. Everything that comes out of his mouth is the stupidest shit I've ever heard anyone say about basketball most of the time. But because I don't mind Mark Jackson. A lot of people rag on Mark Jackson. I'm like, because he's with all due respect.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah. Oh, totally. But it's like,

Dave Clarke:

it's because he's adjacent to this. chuckle fuck, that's like sitting next to him and just saying the same stupid as fuck and shit. And it's like, I get it, man. You know, I talking to her microphone all the time. And sometimes you got to just feel the airtime and you want to just argue with someone and create controversy. But man, I really feel like he stands by something that you have. But to create a cliche to name a cliche. A lot of guys will come into the NBA and they'll realize that they're passing they're shooting their speed, their IQ is are things they need to work on. So the smartest thing you can do is build your game around defense because nobody's playing defense. So if you're a rookie, and you know you can do it, you got the footwork, and you've been playing defense all through college because they make you play defense there. That's a good way to make a mark on the league. And I think that's Marcus smarts. The best example that you know, I think he built his game from the from defense and now he's on a team that needs him to really do that. And he's able to develop the other parts of his game from that and also I just, I owe on every one of my teams I need Somebody who's gonna get in somebody's face if some shit goes down you know what I mean? And or like say shoots the refs when it like when need be but if in all sports there's a way to bully teams off the court or the field or the pitch or whatever you're playing on, and I need at least one dude that's gonna go like no no no no no don't shut down don't talk shit to my guy like that. You remember that bad foul on want to say was who got foul really bad run underneath the basket and smart came like running. It was like last year's playoffs. And smart came sprinting from the other side of the court to get in the dude's face. And it was like yes,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

yeah, so it was like it was it was a few years ago a conference violence against Cleveland

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, I mean time is blending because it co Yeah, no.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Way plus together because they lost you know,

Dave Clarke:

we were all lost the exact same way.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

No, I think someone that pushed markers more as a Weber was in Rio de Janiero, Jaya, he got to know Jerison was pushed him and then Margaret Paul was like, Yo, what was supposed was up

Dave Clarke:

that guy, definitely me if it's up to me, which it isn't. But if it is, if it is, that guy has a spot on my team for life, you know what I mean? i You need that dude. Especially on a team where you got young guys with a demeanor of Jayson Tatum and Jalen Brown and guys that are not non confrontational. Did a lot of ways and I just think is so important, like for that

Rob Kelly:

reason. Last thing on Marcus, I gotta ask you, I suppose you do you think that the market is calling out? Jayson and Jaylen right midseason being like, yeah, I don't know what the fuck is going on?

Dave Clarke:

He was just saying what we're all thinking dude. Yeah, exactly. He was alright.

Rob Kelly:

I think that stemmed. That was me and Marcus meter. I'm just gonna put that out there.

Dave Clarke:

Think of as like 3d Chess from

Rob Kelly:

it makes me come out a couple days later. I mean, what do you what do you think is the lion guys? Is he lying?

Dave Clarke:

Yeah. And they did ask to get coach hard. You know what I mean? They asked for it. That's what they wanted. And like, obviously, it worked. I also at the same time, sort of understand their perspective on certain things. Like, you know, the Jays get some shit for like how they were in the last era of Brad and like, you know, from me, too. But if you're Jayson Tatum, and you're going into work, and you're like, you're looking at fucking little Brad Stevens trying to tell you shit, like, I will probably respect the man a little bit more to that. I mean, like, play the fucking game. He won Vulcan championships playing the game. He came out of a vlog and coaching tree, which I still think that phrases just evokes the stupidest imagery. It's like a children's book. But he came out of this with a coaching tree. That's like, you know, proven. And he like he looks the part. I don't know. I just like I get it. Like, in a certain example. I think you should respect the coach. And I think it sucks that Brad lost the locker room. But I mean, I get I get it.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I mean, we bet we bet we better hope we made because pot was similar to him. I don't even need him to become pot all the time. Well, at least at least Pop Pop light, because that's the case. We're gonna get a few here in the next few years. I'll take it. And I mean, I would love for mark this mark to be a version of Tony Parker. And the reason why I bring that up because you said about you think there was a meeting with the mayor and Marcus, Stephen Jackson, who, you know, we played in San Antonio does Shaka all the smoke. He talked about he was like yo, Tony Parker was a mouthpiece. If you know if Papa couldn't say some sort of player, Tony Parker was saying something to somebody. And once again, why I'm assuming freshmen but Tony, Tony Parker, we're getting in people's face. So maybe that's what that guy you do. And maybe that maybe that's what that's what that's what he may season and Mark.

Dave Clarke:

I mean, nobody's going to do it as well as Kevin Garnett. But, uh, Kevin Durant was also our best player.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

For sure, but I mean, I mean, great. I think we were we were still hungry for that. And it wasn't good. This team has taken their own identity. And you know, really made it a thing and obviously Marcus Mars is a big part of that. So let's let's move on, though. So, obviously, like, we know that something's one on one through team one or four. I mean, once I want to do I wish him on for maybe maybe maybe once or a team. But yeah, one for Team 114 was a phenomenal final play. So just you know, you can start with you, man. But you know, just watching it live more like did you did you think that shot was good at the end

Rob Kelly:

yet? I knew it was good. I just couldn't. It was the longest four seconds and the shortest four seconds of my entire life. I was sitting there watching this right in, Jaylen, Jaylen drove to the hoop. And you're like, Oh, he's he's putting it up. There's only four seconds off. He's gonna do like either a fade away. something's gonna happen this time last year, he would have said so. That's the first guy this time last year that would have shot the shot. Then all of a sudden you see markets open right? And Marcus catches the ball. And red I think you sent me this view of the shot as soon as Marcus catches I swear on my fucking life. You hear like six people behind him just scream. No. You punk faked. I was. I couldn't. I couldn't believe the time didn't run out on the patlak I was literally sitting there like they're gonna run out of time. I think I said it like six times. We six time last

Dave Clarke:

year they weren't gonna run That's I

Rob Kelly:

didn't run out of fucking time, Tatum was the fucking way. I couldn't believe it, man. I couldn't. It was one of those where you could tell that the crowd was in shock to where like, they didn't believe what just happened. That's, that's, that's what it were I was,

Dave Clarke:

were you were you like, were you like, holy shit? Did we make it like two o'clock or out because like you couldn't even really watch both at the same time. So you're like, Did we get it in in time because like, then it cuts to the ref and the ref was like, pointing and like doing shit. And I was like, is it What? What? But what happened back?

Rob Kelly:

It was unbelievable. Ray. Listen, I don't I don't I don't care about any of our perspectives because there's, there's one person's perspective that I want to hear. And that's the person that was in the fucking garden man in the fucking garden that night. And that you you worked there now. I know. You couldn't hear most of the game, bro. But

Rayshawn Buchanan:

oh, no, I was I was I was I was there. I mean, I was I was watching you by the time that happened. Obviously.

Rob Kelly:

I heard it was the loudest a garden has ever been which is saying something.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Get you you could you couldn't you couldn't even be here. I mean, obviously you see the red obviously they had the Red Square that goes off but you couldn't even hear anybody know who's the who's the PA and now so like, you couldn't hear him say Jayson Tatum you couldn't hear him say like that's how loud that crowd is screaming and like run around the balcony. And you know I think I can say just cuz it's not like many co workers Listen, Senator so but but that's gonna change them but they we will all jumping around like it was it was it was it was it was a frenzy. I forgot that I was a charity at that moment. I'm not gonna lie to you. I was Oh my god. Like he just he really just made this I did that. Because what I thought was gonna happen to see Tina Tatum catches it. But you know, in real time. We didn't see Derek right was in the corner. I thought they were looking to pass his dirty white. He was gonna get dope for three, you know, make a mess, whatever you live with the results. But thank God for the 4696 10 wing that had his arms out with big hands what what works and it gets the gets the acrobatic layup. I got to say to Kevin Durant, where what was your What was your thinking, bro? Hit my thing is indeed you're forever exposed on that plate. Like, dude, he literally was like he was stuck in mud. You know, and once again, that type of that type of cut, which is very similar to what when we just see in San Antonio with Genova and some other guys like, that does not happen last year, as we just alluded to, that that's not he's kind of to the basket. He's gonna be waving his hand, say his shoulder and open, which he did at first. And he said after he said afterwards, we're smart made eye contact. Smart made the path. You know, begging you we have sent it in a while but it's back and it's disturbing. It's friendly. But

Dave Clarke:

you always used to say it in the opposite meaning

Rob Kelly:

Yeah. Ball game on the Celtics team and like the third quarter is a ball game. Yeah.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

And I mean, 80% of the time I was I was correct.

Dave Clarke:

That's just because it was fucking miserable. The watch that seems

Rayshawn Buchanan:

ridiculous, but I mean, it's just that yeah, it was it was awesome to be there. I'll be there again. You know for game to win in any other games are there? Oh, you know, going forward. Well,

Rob Kelly:

I got to know though that everyone. Everyone says it was the loudest I've ever heard it. Listen, I've been to a playoff games. I don't know. I know Ray. I I know you have DK Have you been the one before?

Dave Clarke:

I was at Game Six when we set the Cavs home and LeBron ripped his jersey off. Okay, so on 2010 as well, which was like the actually the loudest place I've ever been in my entire life

Rob Kelly:

I've ever heard right. That's what made me like when I hear that this was the loudest people would ever I can't imagine louder than that wizard game because me and my buddy were sitting. Yeah, I was there too.

Dave Clarke:

Was it the it? The it John Wall warrior at that?

Rob Kelly:

Yeah, I was wearing Winnick. But oh, when it took GAME OVER game.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah. Because Game Six John wall jumps on the announcers table. And everybody everybody that knows anything about anything goes like dude, winners don't celebrate Game Six, bro. You're a fucking idiot.

Rob Kelly:

Except for Pat Bev. But anyway, so to think that it was louder than that, or the Hawk Series the year before. Those two times were the leaders have ever heard anything in my life. Like you can't hear the person next to you. Was it louder than most? Was it like, could you notice a difference?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I mean, listen, though I was I was at that same game center, just talking about what McHale 11 went nuts. Like, it was as it was posed to that or maybe it was just, I think maybe because people really wanted to see us beat this team mean important like Washington and it was a cute little rivalry. Okay, you know, obviously if something happened to what I said, Thomas says the bag gear. You know, he goes to 50 I think I think Game Two that year was probably louder than what we saw in game seven, honestly, because it was just going bananas. aren't on the aisle Washington but I mean, let's just say listen if we're arguing about not arguing but where does the debate goes? Well, crowd was allowed to listen. That means that moments keep happening. So, let, let let let's let's, let's keep them going. We need those moments to happen. That crowd was on goal from the beginning once again. I was like, as soon as soon as we got there for the search is last on South decks.

Rob Kelly:

That's that is when you're walking up and you hear

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, it is. Yeah, go and go and have it. I'm like, Listen, I I had chills, like getting into the middle of some of us had to calm down and was already like hate but you were thought that we were actually playing the game like literally it was wild. So I can't wait first I was like, I'm gonna lose blue lose my mind.

Dave Clarke:

There's, there's a there's an air of when you when your team has something about them. When when we're when they don't. I feel like deep down you sort of know it. I feel like there's a fan base and a culture. I feel like deep down you sort of know how and I think, you know, we sort of alluded to this just now when we're talking about re calling a rap on the Celtics in the bubble when when we first started this fucking podcast, and it was like great. I'll call rap on the foot Celtics in the third quarter. But so you know, if you watch you watch your team enough and your loyal enough fan, you kind of know or you don't. And I feel like I was a little skeptical still, even though we finished the season strong. And I felt really good. After the last show. We did talk and talking to Jared Weiss about you know, where this team is at and he's so close to it. I you know, you take his word for it, but I was still like, you know, go into the game, you just your nerves go a little bit because you really want the team to win. And I think I think the point you guys made was kind of to me it was kind of reverberating in my head, which is this kind of the theme of the passing of the torch like is Jaylen is Jayson Tatum getting to a Kevin Durant level as a scorer. You know, like who would you take as a two summer a tandem? Like you know, these kinds of questions we were asking each other going into game one. And that narrative was sort of bouncing around in my head as Jayson Tatum like laid that finger roll in and and we won the game and it's like well, momentum swings in a playoff series on plays like that and to have it happen in game one. Now you're thinking like I went from thinking because of the way that the nets played I went from thinking okay, we're we're definitely gonna win in six two this is going to seventh and it's anybody like that the way the nets came out? I it made me think that however what are the nets look like tomorrow? You know, what are the next nets look like in game two? I should say because that is a demoralizing way to win a game of basketball when you're when your best players are playing that well when your guy who used to play here comes back in hostile environment and drops 39 points on on on the his old team when he's fucking doing the crybaby to guys in the crowd and he's like it you know and after like after the guy talk shit to win the blows by somebody when he butchered let's be honest, like there's we're gonna forget about this when he butchered Jayson Tatum like three times in a row in the fourth quarter like had to 18 points in the fourth or however many had in the fourth. I think it was like 18 Yeah, he butchered his tune like three times I had to switch Tatum awesome, which again, it was I'm at this time last year, they would have fucking kept Jayson Tatum on them and he would continue to get budget but they switched Marcus on to Kyrie, which is very smart. But these kinds of things that they can demoralize the team, especially a team like Brooklyn, especially a team that's constituted of let's be honest, some fragility you know, so what are you know, what are you thinking? What do you think how they're going to come out?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Well, I told my section do they that my section upstairs was going crazy on Tyree. And he's had a shot to Sasa. Hey,

Dave Clarke:

this is Don. He's a bad man. You got to be careful. This is

Rayshawn Buchanan:

not one of those nights like he's locked in. He's, he's got it tonight. Y'all

Dave Clarke:

making it worse. Yeah, I

Rayshawn Buchanan:

just say whatever y'all want. Oh. I'm like, Look, man. I said, Well, he's all like this. I said, we I think we only seen it once in the playoffs of Boston. Because obviously he was hurt the first word that he played. I've seen

Dave Clarke:

him do this a number of times. Maybe not necessarily in Boston, but I've seen him do that.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Not even that game. It was game to this end the end of the year. 37 that night, and I was like, Okay, well, this is just the guy that we brought here to do. You know that thing. So when he when he's on White Day, and you could tell good to hear but when he started making those little layups and a little floaters, it was like, oh, like he's either he's locked in. And I might add that little one to that one to dribble that sidestep that he probably taught Tatum now Tatum has mastered it definitely is step three that he has to a six foot three. You can't use it you can't you can't do nothing with it man. Like and I'm telling people like yo like this is not that night like we said we were lucky that Kevin Durant was not feeling it like because he was off and I guess that happens when you have to guard of that guy who just took this test calibrate, which is why he told you know Bruce Brown and others to kind of just the over library will realize for old white. There's this massive problem like we need to we need to recognize him as you know as As a problem but you know, before we kind of get into what it may look like for Game Two, we kind of danced around it, but I want to I want to go a little deeper into it. But the composure they showed on that final play, you know, to go from smarts of Brown, like just smart to brown and obviously the Tatum, you know, DK like just how just how refreshing was as a fan, to go to go to bid to recent memory to just see that unfold and for them not to lose their composure and I know the nose waning moments.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, I mean, I think that I think the way that it's like Margaret sports and playing 3d Chess all these years is like he takes shots in those situations, take some shots, take some shots. And then finally, when it really counts, the two Mets players that slipped

Rob Kelly:

on an ultimate long con, the ultimate log, the

Dave Clarke:

two the two nets players that switch to him are both like Marcus smarts about to shoot. They're both like he's about to shoot,

Rob Kelly:

but I thought collection tours ACL Oh

Dave Clarke:

my God, and they were on that defense because I mean, it's what you do if you think the guy thinking I was going to shoot the last few seconds, right? You can't be taught sitting down, you know, flat footed, but they I mean, it wasn't very good. Like maybe one guy goes up and one guy backs off to play a little defense but to split the two of them like that, to find his moon, and then have Tatum be so aware. And this was I thought so impressive. be so aware of the clock, because we've seen what that does in in the negative in basketball and the elite players have that countdown in their head and I cite the very famous JR Smith, not understanding how much time is left, getting the rebound and not just putting it back but running in the opposite direction like a broken fucking NBA 2k player. I cite that and LeBron being like how do you know and then like, you know those moments where LeBron after after the game would be like, yeah, and then we dumped it down. There was a backhoe there was 14 seconds left on the clock and he like recite the whole thing that Tatum postgame interview. He was like, there was 12 seconds left and we went in. This happened then this happened. I'm like, yes, it's happening. Like yes, he's like, he's reading the matrix code of the game. It's just looks like those falling green colors represent, you know, like him and he's and everything is slowed down and he knows exactly which time he has. And he recognizes a few things. He recognizes that Katie has not gone with his man which Ray pointed out which was absolutely unforgivable. If that's your player your Balaji Yeah, if that's if that's one of your I get why it happened. I do get why it happened. It shouldn't be happening to Kevin Durant. And it shouldn't be happening the playoffs period but I do get why it happened I think because Mark has split those defenders so hard I think he got caught in two minds and he was like do I go do i do i go to Marcus does Kyrie have the stove over potato? I think he's I think he saw carry not go to Marcus and he went shit.

Rob Kelly:

I feel like that no everyone had was KD and also Irving thought markers for shooting that fucking ball to met everyone in the world that Marcus was shooting

Dave Clarke:

Tyree should have slid to Marcus right away and stopped his dribble or at least tried to stop the pass he should have slipped in right away but he's standing there like you give you give KD shit for being stuck in the mud. Kyrie was gonna look like a fuck traffic cone out there when when Tatum went by him. You know what I mean? He was completely flat footed. He was in no man's land.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Well, I think I think with that with Tyreke Nash, Deborah Carter, who steps up what happens is now smart guys. Take them over the top. It's a layup for now. Now that was that was an eat that was easy. That was a you don't say so that.

Rob Kelly:

It's a double fuckup Yeah,

Dave Clarke:

but it's like it all it all stems from the fact that like the guy like they're not going they're not going with their with their players, right. So it's like, whatever the chain reaction is, and however it starts, it's like your two superstars got burned by our fucking guy, which I love. Right? But it's that clock management. It's that it's that awareness. And it's like, I want to give Tatum more credit than I give KD more criticism because I think like you said, San Antonio, like that's a tough cut to defend. It was a great move. It was a it was a an amazing move by Marcus and like, everybody was aware of the clock and like yes, it's, it's, it's very encouraging because it's like, that's those are the kinds of mistakes, and the that's the exact kind of situation where we would have done something stupid last year and the year before in the year before that that's the exact same exact situation where somebody jacks up a dumb fucking shot, lets the fucking clock run out. Does it makes one extra pass when they shouldn't? That we've seen this a million times and I was convinced something like that was gonna happen and it didn't and that's very reassuring.

Rob Kelly:

So I'm gonna back that up even further than that, not just the composure we had on the final play. But the composure we had in the last two minutes was unlike anything I've seen out of the Celtics team in a very long time you look from wasn't Kyrie hit one of the best fucking threes and smartspace that I've ever seen. I've never seen a fadeaway three like Kyrie hit

Rayshawn Buchanan:

for flying, bro. I want to be on TV that that crowd you hear a pin drop in that door? Yeah,

Rob Kelly:

that's a debt in me. We other game against any other team that has a dagger. That is it. You know what I mean? That's it. But not against this team with Jaylen just goes down has the wherewithal to get the easy way up. Then one of the best defensive possessions bro

Rayshawn Buchanan:

now that was a flower though I'm gonna call it though

Dave Clarke:

we got a lot of play, you got to you got to let him play in the playoffs. All right, you

Rob Kelly:

got it that was against us. We were impressed but facts Well, the the wherewithal to know Kyrie listen. Horford knew it smart knew it. Kyrie was going for that bucket on that he was going for another dagger and smart didn't let him go get it. Horford comes out gets the double team, which we'll get into Horford too because we got to talk about him before this is over. He comes out with the double team and forces the ball to chi to Durant, bro. The defense Tatum played on Durant on that final possession. I haven't seen Durant get denied so many times trying to get around someone maybe ever met. And it wasn't even like he he had a chance like Durant, Tatum was just like, nope, not talking going that way. Nope. Now if I can go in that way, jacks up the three. And I love, love, love, love me having faith in this team, knowing that they have that composure, knowing that they're going to do the right thing on that final play, not calling the fucking timeout, letting it run. And it was amazing, bro. Just just that that last two minutes, just really summed up what this Celtics team is. And it goes back to what DK said man when you know your team has something a huge is no. Like we saw with the Sox last year we saw with the Sox when they want an eight team when they wanted to. You know what, even when you watch a team, there's just something about them when you're like, man, what? What's going on here, man, like something special is brewing. And I'm just saying that that whole composure at the end was unlike anything. I've seen a solid team ever so

Rayshawn Buchanan:

totally, totally agree. Man. I think it's funny. I actually talked to composers the word. Oh, yeah, for sure. Big time. Nope. I talked to someone in the building on Sunday about, you know, comparing this team to what the 2018 restaurant scene was. Remember that restaurant Seaman ran through everybody obviously. That's basically what Sultan's did the second half of the year wins everybody then ironically, they face a team from New York right now. It was like oh my god, and his team also won 100 games judge all these guys like you know the history whatever it takes they did before you know saying they just like they you face that you face the defending champions, which you could do in the next round. They beat them to fight you don't say so. It's like it's it's to me the the setup, the setup, the narrative and what to call it is there now the job they have to go on to execute. And, you know, wasn't there at all time. They're an all time high right now. But as fans, we could believe they that hype, but they can't. Because once again, those two guys over there in Brooklyn, she can give you 40 apiece, and he gave him a time. So you got you have to you have to stay ready. So you have to get ready, so to speak. And also to I want to bring this up because we talked about this with Jared Whiteside. Maybe we talked about this afterwards as well. You saw that Andre Drummond didn't do much rosebrough didn't do much. I'm telling y'all cool. If you if you hold those other you hold those two guys have Craig was basically non non resistant as well. If you just lay urban to curry urban, and you let urban and Durant do their thing. Cool. Once again, I mean, it's hard because obviously you don't want to see them drop 40 But if they say they will get 40 and the rest of the guys come by for 15.0. But that's 95 you can still when I say that if I do go one or 295 like you don't have to overreact to group players going crazy. And I think that's what happened on Sunday didn't overreact obviously Tatum get 31 helps

Dave Clarke:

the way the way the momentum swung. I feel like it's very easy to react like that. The way that the way that the narrative started to because I fucking overreacted

Rayshawn Buchanan:

as a family, but they definitely can't. I want to touch on dwarfs because you brought it up, Bobby but is it him going him getting 2015?

Rob Kelly:

Vintage Horford bro. Vintage Horford? Yeah.

Dave Clarke:

Thank God for him. Yeah,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

go glass. Look, check on him.

Rob Kelly:

You know, he just went full vintage. Well, bro, he he makes it so easy for them to where they don't need to think you know what I mean? That's what he does is like, he takes all the thinking out of the game for them. And you can see it on the court. What about

Dave Clarke:

him on the fucking perimeter? Dude. He's running around in the perimeter like he's five foot 10 It's crazy.

Rob Kelly:

So Do you guys remember what I said? To Weiss? I asked him the question. Tatum and brown need to give you 80% every single game of what Irving and Durant do. And that's exactly what they did in this pass game. It listen every single game if they average so the average votes 65 points. If you can get about 55 from Tatum and brown, you're gonna have a chance in every single one of these games. What's going to get the Celtics in trouble is if Tatum or brown have that off game where brown gets the 15 and Tatum has like 22 And you know what I mean? Those are the games that worry me about the series. A you can get this every single time 1320 from Jaylen and Tatum. We're in

Dave Clarke:

fucking I think Jayson Tatum is at the Lambeth. I think Jayson Tatum. I mean, I don't you know, knock on wood. But I think Jayson Tatum is at the level now where he goes and gets his 30 points in the playoffs. I think that

Rayshawn Buchanan:

you could petulant generators wanting at night, too. I think so too. I

Dave Clarke:

do think so too. And I think that I get your worry, Bobby, I really do. I get your worry. Because it's like, you're you're relying on two guys that you know, that you've seen in playoffs situations, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. I don't think you know, I think you can. Jayson Tatum for sure is gonna go get his 30 And I think if Jalen brown isn't pence getting penciled in, like race it for his 20 he might have you might have eight assists. You know what I mean? Like he might he might have a few clutch rebounds. He might have some intangible plays that like, gets himself into the game because I think Jalen is got a lot smarter about when he's not scoring and he's not like, you know, he's not the hot hand. I think he's done a lot smarter about not forcing it and I think he's done a lot smarter about you know, how he gets himself into the game. Otherwise, and I also think this is like this is not talked about enough. Jalen. Sorry Jaden the J think fucks with me every time Jayson Tatum's defense on on Sunday was so good, like so good and like he had like I did say he got pushed by Kyrie a couple times but a point guard running downhill at a at a four you're probably gonna get butchered. I did see him kind of keep up with what's his name Trey young in the regular season, which was pretty impressive. But his defense was incredible. And I think that yeah, not only can you pencil them in for 30 I think you can also pencil them in for put them on the rest guy. I mean, and I think that's that's what you need your best player to be. You know, like, that's what Kobe was. Kobe wanted to guard the best guy you know, any any he was also going to go back and be in his bag offensively too.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

So what did that does it it reminded you of Parrish and LeBron

Dave Clarke:

like What do you mean the one on ones the force yeah the back of

Rayshawn Buchanan:

that that's that's really what it was. I remember Pierce used to give and once again we'll do it we'll talk about this market

Rob Kelly:

tease for the reader app bro.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

People forget to forget the buckets that pitchers to give LeBron you know because it was a goal but like so what's the I'll save it but it's like people forget it. I'll just leave it at that. But I'm excited to see what Tatum does. I'm excited to see not just on defense as well, but

Rob Kelly:

he ain't scared. I'll tell you what he he's not fucking scared. way but who's liquid who's LeBron and

Dave Clarke:

who's and who's Pearson that situation because Tatum's the young guy coming in just hate him and LeBron is different. Because of the skill level? Because I think that I think that yeah, like the on paper skill level? Sure. Sure. I think that I love it. If was that. I mean, that was my favorite error to watch basketball.

Rob Kelly:

If Tatum's O'Brien I'm okay with it.

Dave Clarke:

He's the young buck coming up. Coming up, right? I don't know if he's Lebron James. Like let's let's let's pump the brakes on. This is what we do. This is what we do here. This

Rob Kelly:

headline headline to the episode Jayson Tatum is Lebron James.

Dave Clarke:

No. The back of the back and forth I think I think you're definitely right in the money on the head. Money on the head. You're right on the money hit the nail on the head. When you're talking about I haven't seen a back and forth like that at that level in a Celtics playoff game since that. I think that's definitely true. I think that they're very different types of players than those two guys. I you know, I think that I think that it's almost more fun because of the types of players that they are because I think LeBron and pierce were going back and forth in like that era of basketballs, two best guys if there was some sluggers. Yeah, they were slugging it out. I think what you're watching it with KD and Tatum is like two crafty guys that have everything and like who's gonna like it's more like a chess match than a boxing match to me if that makes sense. I think it was and I think what Tatum did really well, was he used the things that Katie didn't expect him to use. I think he went right at Katie defensively, which I think was all my

Rayshawn Buchanan:

life.

Rob Kelly:

I think it scared the shit out.

Dave Clarke:

Really, really smart dude. I was literally like that like that to me in that moment. That baseline fade was absolutely filthy. It reminded me It reminded me of Kobe, but I was like, when he was doing it. I was like, I hate this. I hate I was literally saying that like it was like he was back in KD

Rayshawn Buchanan:

No, no. Oh no, I was like, I hate this. I hate this. I

Dave Clarke:

hate this. I hate this. Holy shit. And I thought I thought to you guys, I thought you guys right away of like holy shit like, because when you guys were like, is this the game where we passed the torch? I was like shut the fuck up it's still Kevin dies when I was it has nothing to fucking relax Bobby.

Rob Kelly:

I call my son Do you hear myself? But But I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what Tatum's Tatum's torch sparked a little bit when he hit that fade away at a risk of

Dave Clarke:

at a risk of overextending the metaphor. But I think I That moment was unbelievable. And I think what like just just to finish my point about the chess match, I think it's about Jayson Tatum a not falling back on his ego like he has in the past, which I think is a completely understandable thing when you're young players as talented as he is without a real scheme going on around you. I think it's about him accepting this is going to be really important going forward because I've seen this happen a lot. accepting the fact that Kevin Durant is going to come out within the next two games, maybe three games, probably two, and fucking barbecue him like that is gonna happen. Like I'm sorry, I know. He played great defense, but Kevin Durant is Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant is undeniable. What we what our game plan is when that happens and how Jayson Tatum reacts to that, I think is is going to say a lot you know, he's got to if he starts getting cooked and he's he does one of two things either has the lack of ego to go all right somebody else switch on to him like or like Jalen Come help me with him will will to man him will you know will push him to the baseline will do all this stuff? Or which would be really cool if he's like fuck that lead me on like I'm making this happen it's a battle and then you get the slugfest that you're talking about and then you get some fucking crazy fireworks happening and it doesn't really matter what happens at that point if he actually can step his game up to that level because at that point, the sky's the limit for the kid but you know I'm just saying it is still Kevin Durant let's all keep our fucking Dixon like a hot second because like he'll come kill you he'll come fucking kill us easy money sniper is

Rayshawn Buchanan:

nothing to happen at some point. I think I texted Bobby about this on side but I remember on Sunday today was it was a play to end the third quarter where it wasn't we could talk about this and we were up to but I remember there was a play that Pierce had a years ago because Al Harrington when he was like just counting down with them and he was talking some of these they were we wanted they felt like he was saying something else but I'm gonna say big fella just to keep us on the air but he said we want to be fellow we want it and you know he doesn't he just stepped back was until James Harden came along and Paul appears at the best step back I haven't seen it tested three and his face crowd goes crazy

Dave Clarke:

not to be wearing a Celtics hat and status but Kobe Bryant stepped back is pretty fucking

Rayshawn Buchanan:

quiet. Period. So I'm so glad you know Tatum at the end of the third than the two I think someone was coming to give a screen wave smile this man go go go.

Dave Clarke:

Oh, he I honestly, I think Paul Pierce read the best ISO of any sounds good. Well, of all time, I think

Rayshawn Buchanan:

10 Folks, but it's just like, you know, different area. Yeah. And it's like, you know, just doing that that one that wants to Jupiter He's mastered. And that science step three. And I was like, you know, like you knew what was going on? Like, it wasn't a matter of like, well, in the back room like you knew it was going in to wait when he gets that many dribbles. And he gets in that rhythm like it's a wrap. So, yeah, I mean, let's say Oh, I'm looking at we're looking forward to more moments, obviously. Beyond it before, before we get into predictions, I want to touch on one more thing about No, no carry things, obviously. You know, the reports have been going crazy last couple of days from him showing him give it a finger to fans, him saying he's gonna get the same type of energy. You know, which, you know, I know. And I'll start because I know I've had jobs. I'll start with this. I'm here for I'm here for I'm here. I'm here for I'm not gonna sit and say he's a clown. I'm not gonna sit here say that he's, you know, the worst human being on Earth today. That's not that's not the case. And I just think to me, I get where he's coming from. But after a while, it gets annoying. get told, hey, you know, you know, fuck you. You're posting your obituary this year that after a while, especially you know, when you go to air city to after a while, there's only so much that's going to be said before you like yo, what's up? So where did you say? Come come show me. Why did they come that? And then where did where did we can go from there. So like he said, you know, you have to be docile, you have to be more professional, you know, so to speak. So I hope that he gives the same energy. I hope the fans keep going out. And once again, they don't have to say certain things like you know, different colors, but hey, keep going after that. So I'm gonna be stuck. So I'm ready to use, you know, the time that you need to LeBrons his dad and she'll like that. That's once a week. So hopefully that continues but there's nothing worse this is out of pocket, but you know, you know, because we have thoughts about that.

Rob Kelly:

Yeah, man. I couldn't agree more. Listen, there's nothing more healthy and more exciting than sports hate man. It drives it drives nostalgia. It drives everything man you look back at everything that you remember about sports and the seasons. You remember the most of the ones where you had that heated fucking rivalry. You're playing a team and you would genuinely in between those, those those lines. You hate that person? Because honestly, I can't remember someone that Boston has hated more since a rod, and there's

Dave Clarke:

eight of the run to be fair.

Rob Kelly:

Yeah, but but but even LeBron, right? So what Brian would drop 40 We would be like, Fuck LeBron. He's so good. He's so good. Listener.

Dave Clarke:

There was a respect, right? There's

Rob Kelly:

no respect with Kyrie that's the difference. That's my problem with the issue with the surgery center problem. I had this conversation a bunch last night because it's like, listen, everyone's like what we got. We're in his head. We're in his head. We rattled him. I love him. It was like Well, could you please unravel them? Whatever you're doing definitely isn't working. Okay. He was. When I call him a supervillain, I legitimately mean that because you could see him eating the souls of the Boston Celtics fans bro. Like, every time they would boo him every time they would say shit, he would look at him. It was like Reggie Miller with Spike Lee back in the fucking Knicks days bro.

Dave Clarke:

Spike Lee is responsible for so many NICs downfall so

Rob Kelly:

many right there's the one section it was on the right side baseline. I kept describing it I know I know. We all know where you're talking about yeah, there's one section that he was just feeding off of brown every time they would say something to him he would look at him

Dave Clarke:

there was like this one old guy I could see with the crowd that guy was having a great time talking shit to carry so I don't hate it but

Rob Kelly:

he would hit that three and just given a finger and it was just like bro you guys need to stop because none of this trying to heckle him if anything we should be sitting in the crowd fucking standing ovation. Karela Kyrie Welcome back row welcome like

Rayshawn Buchanan:

no people on the floor as someone who I've heard I've been on the floor No offense. I bet it's a little difficult to play I guess I had five as a one amplified but yet um, they don't they don't they don't care. And like they pay whatever they've been they gonna they gonna talk they will keep talking. Yeah. Let's see Kate give Kim give it some got ready to go on

Rob Kelly:

it completely agree it can't it cannot go past your pushy carry your this your that. Those are the type of things that are going to ruin this whole thing. Because right now it legitimately just is like a supervillain versus a city. That's what it is. It there's nothing more to it. It's just it. And if it gets to that point, I just I'll be so disappointed.

Dave Clarke:

I agree. I agree with you guys on an on a sort of baseline level and like we you know, we've had this we were kind of having this discussion the other day in our in our little discord chat or whatever. And I do agree with you that it's not going to change right? And uh, you know, you're pissing in the wind trying to get like Celtics fans to stop eating Kyrie Irving is like trying to get fucking never gonna have you know, water not to be wet. Right? So it's fun. But I will just say since we're here talking about it, I fit and I think you guys will understand this because I think you're a little you're both a little bit the same way. There's a way that you that you watch basketball, there's a way that you watch football, there's a way that you watch baseball that the reason why the Celtics fan base is sort of different in their attitude to the New England Patriots fan base is not because they're not the same people because they they are for the most part. That it's because the way you watch the game is different. And I think the thing that is annoying me slightly and it's not a big deal. Like I'm not going to die on this hill or anything. But the thing that is annoying me so slightly and I hope you guys understand what I'm saying when I say this because I have been hitting my weed pen but I think this is a good point. It's it's there's sort of like the old head mentality of watching basketball that you give respect to ballers, like you give respect to ballers when they're fucking balling out. And I think the thing that annoys me a little bit about how certain Celtics fans are coming at Kyrie is they're it's like they're coming at it from like a Patriots Point of View. You know, like they have this kind of weird thing embedded in their in their thing and like me not being a Patriots fan, like maybe I'm biased. But when you watch real true ballers ball out, you have to be like, alright, like, you gotta get you got to give him his you gotta give him his respect. Like, alright, cool, you can hate him. You can be mad at him. But there's a reason why we were upset too when Kobe Bryant died. You know what I mean? Like, there was a reason why the Celtics fan base was also super fucking bummed out. And if you if you just heard us talk and you didn't know basketball from like, 2007 onwards, you wouldn't understand why we're upset but if you know basketball, and you know it like in your heart and in your soul and you love it, you knew why we were upset that he died, you know, because he was a fucking baller, and for all of Kyrios idiosyncrasies for me, and this is just the way I watch sports in general. I don't really give a fuck to be honest with you. It's about what you do on the court. And I understand it's hard to ignore a lot of this shit. And and it is and like, you know me I'm fucking Captain fucking liberal I'm fucking burning bras out in the street of course I think it's stupid that he doesn't want to like get vaccinated or whatever. But I don't care, you know, at the same time because it's, it's on a on a purely neutral point of view which I don't have because I you know, I love the Celtics and I'm and I'm here for the rivalry and I agree with what you're saying about I'm not arguing with what you're saying I'm not argue with what you're saying right about how it's not going to change. But I love seeing somebody ball out. You know what I mean? I just love it. I just love it. And, and I just think the attitude of hatin on Kyrie Irving, just on the merit of being Kyrie Irving is ignoring a very important, if not the most important thing about Kyrie Irving and as he is one of the best basketball players you've ever watched in your life. So that's all I'm saying. I hope you guys get what I'm saying. I'm not necessarily

Rob Kelly:

I'm about to back you up on this because I saw something that Joe Murray tweeted from sports hub up in Boston, where he was saying someone Someone was giving him shit for saying Kyrie is a Hall of Famer and it was like listen guys, if you are if your hate honestly clouds your basketball knowledge enough to know that you're not watching a fucking Hall of Fame basketball player? Yeah, then then then you're just you're you're so clouded in the Boston sports

Dave Clarke:

you're kind of putting the cart before the horse as far as like your you know your you kind of look like you don't know what you're talking about. If you're talking shit about Kyrie Irving you know what I mean? A little bit but I get it at the same time.

Rob Kelly:

If Mitch Richmond is a fucking Hall of Famer Kyrie Irving Listen, let me let me just skids off the road. Listen if

Rayshawn Buchanan:

you if you if you log on though,

Rob Kelly:

but I'm just saying bro. Like we only have an hour Bobby. I'm just saying if if, if he's, if a guide that was never the best player on any team he was ever on is a Hall of Famer. Then, Kyrie Irving's a fucking Hall of Famer and you know what, when you're watching it, that's the thing is exactly what you're saying. Like, you got to respect a baller when you see a man and Kyrie Irving is a straight baller was that's the only reason he can do to shave, Kyrie Irving was Pat Bev, listen, he can't be Pat. Bev can't be flipping the bird to people. But Kyrie can, because you can drop 39 why he's doing it.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah. He's more of a baller for doing it in that environment.

Rob Kelly:

I respect Kyrie so much more after that game. And, and I've been

Dave Clarke:

saying this about him though. Like he hit it. He had the most clutch shot of the last 10 years in the fucking finals do like it's ever. Yeah, maybe ever do. He had he

Rob Kelly:

had the Defensive Player of the Year on him on his hip, all game long. And he scored 39 points, and did it within an entire crowd telling him he needs to go fuck himself. Before God, you can't you have to respect that you have to do right. You have to. It's crazy. Alright. supervillain super villain.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

We will talk about that mistrustful thing, but

Dave Clarke:

you need it. You need a super villain if you're a superhero that you need. For sure.

Rob Kelly:

Right. I want to need it. It's great to have him so I can't I can't wait to watch game two. Anyway,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

for sure. But I want to before we make our predictions writing it out if so, I obviously can't gauge kg kgs retirement game was was a few weeks ago. Isiah Thomas who played in Detroit, you know was there and this leads to the point that we just made right now. He got a little bit of cheer coming at the time of the day. He was right by the tunnel that was coming that I was guarding. So a couple people's like yeah, oh, hey Isaiah. But as soon as they would like saying who was there and that they people realize that he was actually in the crowd calm and it was like yeah, you know, I think my groom was like gay you know, shout out to no I just I was with being here. And collectively 19,000 booed Isaiah Thomas. Now mind you, this is this is a newer fan base. But there was a lot of older people that were there.

Rob Kelly:

Were our boy Isaiah.

Dave Clarke:

No, no, no, no, no, no.

Unknown:

I mean, your senior.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah. Okay. I'll let you play like imagine Wait, there's 3035 36 years ago, you know, was you know when we beat the charter things I wasn't like Detroit we'd beat us because that robbed we back and forth. Because of the Isiah Thomas comments about bird Robins comments about bird like, they they they vehemently booed Isiah Thomas so people don't forget. Yeah, yeah, it just goes to show. It does not matter. It doesn't matter. The error is I might have the plate here. You know, maybe we just had something it gets number of lemons. Who knows? Because that's a good point.

Rob Kelly:

To make. this point I'm gonna make this point twice today okay because it leads right into it. Listen, this is not this is not something new for Celtics fans. Listen, Celtics fans pick someone and decide they hate him for that was it was Mike Bibby when he called his fucking fairweather fans. It was Jayson Kidd when he was an asshole for doing what he did. It was. It was done a shooter, Dennis. shrewder, dead. Dennis shrewder, it was Kelly Uber. It was broke There you go down the line. And this is what we do. We pick someone we fucking hate you for an entire series. And it's not going to go away. I'm sorry. And until we beat them until we if I think if we beat Kyrie I think we'll be over and I think it's kind of like a girlfriend scorned.

Dave Clarke:

I'm just saying it only makes me stronger. But I think if we

Rob Kelly:

beat them right so we beat Kyrie I think we're over that because that's what Boston does as soon as we beat you, or are we waiting? We're like yeah, you know, whatever we don't fucking pattern. Yeah, pretty beat your first great I'm gonna get hotter girlfriend. My girlfriend's gotta be hotter,

Dave Clarke:

Jayson Tatum's hotter so

Rayshawn Buchanan:

DK let's let's get into predictions for God game two so who do you got to get into a why?

Dave Clarke:

I got a weird feeling they're they're not going to come out of the tunnel the nuts are going to come out of the tunnel the right way. I really got a weird feeling it's going to happen I don't want to jinx it you know, I'm really scared of the Jinx and like all power to the jinx like, you know, it's the only thing it's really high power I believe it but I think it's something about like getting beat like that, you know, like something about getting beat like that in that environment having to go back to the garden, Kyrie suffering that I've used, but still getting hot and then like, can you get up for that again? Like, can you get a can anyone get up for that again? If they come out and they compete with us, or they beat us in game two, it's gonna be Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving in my opinion, I think Kyrie, obviously he'll contribute like, I'm not saying he's gonna have a bad game or anything. I think like I just got done saying he's a baller. But I think kady needs to step up obviously. And I think that it's a matter of how how quiet we can keep him because I think we did a good job of that in game one and how how quiet we keep the supporting cast if he is going off, which is like obviously a truism in basketball but I think it's definitely true game too. But I got this weird feeling they're not gonna they're not gonna get off their stool and I think we might blow them out. To be honest with you, I think I think there was moments where we could have blown them out and game one and they and they hung around and that's really hard to do twice in a row in a place like the garden and I think I think there's a chance we come out hot we stay hot. I really do. I'm not saying that's going to carry through to going back to Brooklyn, but I got it I like I like our chances in game two. I really do.

Rob Kelly:

Yeah, I completely agree. I don't mean to be that guy. But I think you're always that guy. I am that guy. And especially with the Celtics and when it comes to so the biggest so first backup and not be that guy for a second biggest thing that you need to watch in this game was Daniel Tice. I think if they can fix whatever was happening with Daniel ties defensively in game one because he cost them a lot and I think he was the reason Kyrie got hot they need to make sure he's not fading off the ball a lot because he cost them at least 10 to 12 points in that second quarter. He was really rough defensively in that game. I think we dominate this game man if they fixed that day, no ties problem. I don't know what they do. I don't know if they rotate them out if they just play Horford more whatever the case is

Dave Clarke:

warfare was running around like that's the weird thing is like warfare did play a lot of minutes is on the floor at the same time as Tice a lot.

Rob Kelly:

He knows and Tice was supposed to be the solution to the Robert Williams being out

Dave Clarke:

we just had a bag he had a you had a below average game that seven might not necessarily be true might not necessarily be true in the in the next game but we might scheme a little bit to help him out I think he was on his own underneath the basket a lot which is not helpful

Rob Kelly:

you got you got to scream better to Tyson this game and if if they do that I truly agree with you okay, it's gotta be it's got to be something that we weren't wired wire Ray

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I got broken when the game two I was a guy I like to take an old game

Dave Clarke:

after that what last for me No way

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I mean once again I want to I just I just I think that he's right I mean for it to go seven you know some game a piece again p so yeah so I just think that you're gonna see a virtual so performance from from Katy saw

Dave Clarke:

nothing and that's what I'm scared of

Rayshawn Buchanan:

to man we're not even scared but that's just that's just what it is it's inevitable Yeah, you're gonna have so and I think that you know Kyrie maybe takes a step back from what he had in game one. I just think that you know, it'll come down to the wire again and you know the sauce that they missed in game one don't don't make an in game two. Now on the eldest on the other hand, the selfless can't miss all those labels as they made because she was the kid that was the point you were making a bio

Dave Clarke:

conversions.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

That's the reason why it was toast like that. Like they went missing layups that they said, that's enough. Plato's even happened.

Dave Clarke:

I'm guilty of that forever long. Why were you sucked at layups for for

Rob Kelly:

90 seconds six layups in 90 seconds. That is a legit thing that happen right

Rayshawn Buchanan:

so it was it was fitting that because they missed them the lives of the game ended on a limb and they made it so that it was fitting in that regard but frankly I think that reckless squeezes out like that right like then for Game two and then you know what we'll see what happens and you know getting destined for but yeah I expect a measurable performance from from Kevin Durant so

Rob Kelly:

way we won't be back until we won't be back until after game four so I want to know from you guys are we going to be up in this series when we come back on the show? You Me production more than that? Just are we going to be waiting

Dave Clarke:

after game for it?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I think it'd be tied to two things gonna be three one

Rob Kelly:

nobody wants to come back after game three

Dave Clarke:

right after so it'll be we'll ask the question and Bobby which came through your game three

Rob Kelly:

so game three we're gonna be winning this series so someone has to be willing to say that the game three yes that's

Rayshawn Buchanan:

supposed to be up to one Yeah, well,

Dave Clarke:

we'll we'll pick we'll pick the game up in Brooklyn or will or will let him steal one at home but I think if we've ever seen one I don't mean maybe go one in Brooklyn if that makes sense.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

All right. Well, let's say you heard you heard his here. You heard here for his baby. So you know some of us got to win and some got a loser but it is what it is so so for DK sizzler Roby K. Bob Kelly. I'm Shawn Buchanan. And we'll see you next time peace.