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Daunte Wright Shooting, NBA Disappointments, and The Boston Celtics are Watchable Again

Daunte Wright Shooting, NBA Disappointments, and The Boston Celtics are Watchable Again

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On this episode of Missing the Point:  We'll discuss how the sports world has once again been affected after the shooting of another black man, Daunte Wright, in Minneapolis. And if we think anything will really change this time considering this is not the first time we've talked about the subject on the show.
 
We'll also get into our main topic, that of the National Basketball Association.  We'll talk about our biggest disappointments throughout the NBA and talk about the Boston Celtics are finally starting to turn around their season, or if they're just the same team that we've seen the last couple of years with better players and who needs to go if The Celtics failed miserably get in the playoffs this year. 

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Transcript
Craig D'Alessandro:

On this episode of missing the point, we'll discuss how the sports world has once again been affected after the shooting of another black man in Minneapolis. And if we think anything will really change this time considering this is not the first time we've talked about the subject on the show, we'll also get into our main topic that of the National Basketball Association will talk about our biggest disappointments throughout the NBA and talk about the Celtics are finally starting to turn around their season, or if they're just the same team that we've seen the last couple of years with better players and who needs to go the Celtics failed miserably get in the playoffs this year. We're looking at your shoes. This is missing the point, Episode 53. But it's all relative.

Michael Marcangelo:

Welcome into missing the point I'm your host Michael Mark Angelo as always joined by the real BK Bob Kelly rayshawn Buchanan and Craig D'Alessandro, and today it's our basketball show we're talking all things NBA all things Boston Celtics, it's gonna be one of those feel good shows. But before we get to the antics that we usually do, I want to open up with the topic that is swept the world. Brooklyn Nets beat the Minnesota Timberwolves 127 to 97 playing their game that was postponed from yesterday due to another shooting of a police officer of an African American man Dante right in Minnesota. So I want to open it up and talk about this again. I said it pre show. I guess it was good. I'll say it again. I can't sing but I'm not tone deaf. We need to talk about this. So rayshawn What's your reaction not only to the events, but how about the way that all major sporting leagues came together and postponed most games that around that area?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, we I think thanks for you know, coming to me first man. But no, I think, you know, it's a shame that Minnesota is becoming the epicenter of these type of events that are so that happened with George Floyd. Obviously a few years back that something happened with Philando caselle let me call it one of the murdering some stuff, the murders that took place you know what those two gentlemen you know, they lost their lives over senseless acts by law enforcement is the same that that continues to happen, you know, you know, Bobby a, he'll get into when he speaks, but, you know, is it's crazy that, like, obviously, we're in 2021. And we still, you know, make those quote unquote, mistakes, because they know exactly what they're doing. And it's like, it's disheartening. It's disappointing. It's whatever negative word you want to put with it. And I'm just tired. And honestly to say as a black man in America, I cannot say that I feel safe walking on a mouse any given time. Yes, I'm in Massachusetts, where it's more liberal and things of that nature, but I can't say if I'm walking out that is frustrating, and I'm coming back home you know, and you know, back on one piece, so to speak, so that's a heavy burden to bear. And, you know, I don't take that lightly. And you know, I'm glad that you know that the three of you don't take that lightly. And you know, also I know Joe and Dave feel the same way but they're not with us tonight. But is this crazy, but far as the sporting leagues taking that taking that stance so to speak? I feel like they essentially had to you know, I think to still keep playing yesterday would have shown them being tone deaf so it's because of what you just alluded to even in baseball do the same thing universe often twins games were taken down. NHL Do the same thing to the NHL. Yeah. Minnesota Wild Yeah. So it's like you just had to one because you can't be tone deaf. But in two, you just don't know what would have happened had you know, I'm assuming muscles are in as a downtown. And those people you know, people out there would have been processing the weather was peacefully or, you know, chose not Sosa riot, you know, as we know, Dr. Martin Luther King said it best that the right writers have a language of the unheard so that that could have happened last night. It could still happen. You know, we don't know. But I say I guess it was a nice small gesture. I mean, wearing a T shirt this moment doesn't do anything. I don't know if we're going to get back to what he did in the bubble Where's you know, players are setting out games and choosing to boycott a game. I don't think that's going to happen. We know we talked about that all the way back in like episode three, which is crazy. But even from Episode Three, now it's gone past with the episodes, we're still talking about the same shit. So going from 2020 to 2021. Whenever we talked about Jacob Blake in that episode, and I was talking about, you know, we're talking about Nazi right, and nothing has changed. So that's the part that's disappointing the most, but I mean, it is what it is. But at the end of the day, I know that they had to do that in order to I guess in order to save face, so I'll leave it at that.

Michael Marcangelo:

Yeah, Bobby, your reaction like was, I mean, I think rayshawn hit it on the head, right. They did what they had to do, it would look really bad to play those games downtown and an area that that is just gone through what it's gone through and caught what is right, another senseless killing of what for all intensive purposes, what should have just been at routine traffic stop or a warrant being served. Right. And I'm not on a soapbox. I'm not trying to preach anything to anybody. This is a sports podcast, for sure. And I'm on the fundamental belief and I promise I'll kick it over to you. They're like, I like my sports. This Separate from everything else, right? Unless things are just categorically wrong, unless they have to, unless they have to take a stand. But something that is so wrong that you just can't ignore it. And this is that this is it's still that, as rayshawn said, A year later, you know, we'll call it what it is decades, centuries later, it's still the just the unjust treatment of those that don't look like you and me. So Bobby Lee, your reaction to everything that happened? And then how how the major sport the major sports leagues handled it, was it posturing? Did they do the right thing?

Rob Kelly:

So yeah, they absolutely did. I just want to go back to what Rachel was saying, it's, it really is unbelievable that in 2021, we're still talking about this. Like he said, Our third episode ever was about the basketball protests due to senseless killing. When we first started this podcast, and here we are, Episode 141 4243, whatever it is, that we're doing. We're still here talking about it. And it's unbelievable to me that cops are held to a lower standard, in my opinion, than any other employment I've ever been a part of. If people were making the same mistakes over and over, and over and over, and then you make that mistake, you're done. You know what I mean? You're fired. You're done. And these cops are sitting here, still doing these things to this day, and a half of them barely face any, any problems. So it's unbelievable to me, that we're still in this place. You said, You can't sing. We're not tone deaf. Seems like most, I don't want to say most. A lot of cops have seemed to be tone deaf from what we've seen in the public right now. And it's unbelievable to me, but going to sports. Yeah, they have to do it this way. You know what I mean? Sometimes it gets to a point where something bigger than sports. And that's what this is. It's getting to a point where sports are so minuscule compared to what's happening in the world. It's unbelievable that this still is happening to this day. Well, yeah, they have all right. 100%.

Michael Marcangelo:

Yeah, and again, these are our our opinions. We're not trying to tell you how do you feel but again, what's, you know, what's right is right, what's wrong is wrong, what happened was wrong. That's just a fact. And hopefully, for the, one of the very few times justice will actually be served. And we can start moving in a direction that is opposite of the one that we're currently in. But unless anyone else has anything to add to this, I think we should really start talking a little bit about sports. I enjoy pissing rayshawn off about basketball. It's why I agree with the basketball podcast. So I think that's, that's about as seamless as a transition as we can get. We're sitting here it's April, Tuesday, April 13. The Eastern Conference is pretty much what we thought it would be minus the Celtics being absolutely terrible. So I'm gonna give you a rundown, right? The Philadelphia 70 sixers come into the number one c 37. And 17. Doc is doing again, what we thought he would do. We'll talk a little bit about that. Brooklyn Nets. Number two, the Milwaukee Bucks. Number three, the Hawks for the heat. Jimmy Butler came back. That team came back during the during the fifth seed just like we've said they would Yep, Charlotte at six Celtics at seven. And the New York Knicks at eight. So right now as a whole, we can talk about the teams that aren't currently, if the season ends, they would not be making the playoffs but your top eight and the Eastern Conference. Who surprises you so far? rayshawn, who was exactly where you thought they would be?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

So I mean, Charlotte, and Atlanta has to be the two major surprises, right? I mean, we're not talking teams outside of Boston. Right? So Atlanta had a game winning streak this season so far. You know, they fire Lloyd Pierce, and then obviously, you know, big melon who we also talked about on that same episode about certain coaches getting you know, getting there just do they mean melon. It's been a good coach, no matter where he's been, and he's proven good now in Atlanta as well. So they've been awesome. Trey young is taking taking the leap. You know, john Collins is doing what he does that man is ever going to get paid in a golf season for sure. Charlotte, right. So I mean, obviously they've been written by injury. So that's personal fortunate. You know, haber has been heard and obviously lamella ball is out for the year who probably would have ever heard of the year I know people are vying for on Anthony Edwards but lamella ball makes Charlotte watchable again and he was just he was awesome. He was great for there put a franchise in that city but for them to be in the top eight when I think in our prediction show you know we talked about them really missing a playoff but I think Joe and I mentioned that they could be a surprise I'm not sure but hey, they are like hey, we was playing like an all star for most of the year of turnovers. It's been great to PJ Washington so they haven't they haven't necessarily young cord there now with some veterans helmet. So those are two things I can think about just off rep that are really you know, they're really shocking everyone in East but you know, let's it we'll see if it lasts.

Michael Marcangelo:

Bobby your biggest surprises so far as it's currently constituted for the top eight teams in the east.

Rob Kelly:

The next number one is Julius Randle to me his emergence this year has just been unbelievable man, like, I always like Julius Randle as, like a fourth guy on a team, you know, I thought he would be a really good piece for a championship contender. But what he shown this year is just unbelievable. He's I think he leads the league in triple doubles, I'm pretty sure but he's averaging over 20 points a game, the Knicks are in that a spot. Not only that, but the next finally have an identity. And that's something that I didn't see coming into this year. They actually have a direction for the first time in the last decade. So I think that our team wins just by paying attention to I do like the next roster. So they're definitely up there for me. The other one is, the Raptors being on the outside. I know this is a rebuilding year. But I at least thought that they would be above the bowls, the Pacers the next teams like that. Seeing them on May 11. Working out and pretty and being pretty far away from that a spot. I know there's the play in this year. So all they have to do is really get to what 10 right? It's eight 910 are in the 778 910. So all I have to do is get to there, but seeing them that far back is surprising to me. I do think that they're going to make a run and get into that playing tournament. But

Unknown:

21 and 33 dude, roughly share

Rayshawn Buchanan:

a rough. But I think with them, though, between the seokguram injury time, obviously the most important like they they have one of the best home courts in the league, maybe if they're in Toronto. Yeah. And, you know, saying so in Toronto, so I was like so for them to be playing in Tampa all year, you know, they're not running give back. Like they're not going for two as that goes down there so that I've gone for two so and I honestly I think their playoff run really, or the run of the playoffs has caught up to Toronto, right. So you got to remember like that that core has been there for a while. So you know, Lowery and you know, Van vleet and, you know siakam and it's you know those games after a while it starts to you know, start to pile up. So, it kind of reminds me of what happened back in the day with no with Detroit, right, the train went to three straight finals, and what's our few Conference Finals in a row? And you know, when you're constantly going deep into the playoffs to play on a team to the playoffs and you're not really replenishing the roster in the offseason because you're just worried about being a contender, this is what happens so between that and and not being in their in their arena at all. You're being in their in their actual beds. You know, that definitely upset the applecart but um, so it's a shocker, but it's not a complete shocker thinking when things have been rooted in, you know, athletes in general, people in general, are just creatures of habit. So they've been uprooted from what they know. So that's why their record is the way it is my biggest surprise. And again, if you listen to this show you this doesn't happen a lot. So just make sure that you bookmark it. I was wrong about the Nets man,

Michael Marcangelo:

I thought that they were gonna maybe a fifth or sixth seat. I thought they would go deep in the playoffs. Don't get me wrong, but the first year when a team brings in, you know, different personalities and different superstars. The record usually isn't always great, right? I think we saw with the biggest thing for me is Miami that first year, they were not great until they were later in the season. I mean, Brooklyn's 3717. Right there tied for first in the in the in Eastern Conference, they've added even since James Harden. But Marcus Aldridge who is a great addition, Blake Griffin, again, another good addition, they, they look to beat some team that will prove I think what we already know in the NBA is that if you have that much talent, coaching doesn't matter, right? I think it might bite them in the finals. If If LeBron and Anthony Davis come back, and they're healthy. But I think that the nets are my biggest surprise, outside of Boston, because trust me, we'll dig into them a little bit. And I think Bobby hit it also to the next. I remember doing our preseason predictions. The next word at the bottom of the barrel. Bobby is no doubt about it, too. Like Mike, you just let me handle the bottom right and that you can insert like your like, like your little controversy here and there. But like, I know my stuff, I believed him. But he did say I'll give you the credit. You did say this team has the ability to surprise you because of the talent that they do have, but it's unproven.

Rob Kelly:

Also, I did call the Hawks for the record. I told you the Hawks were gonna be good because remember, I remember we had him out and I was like, Nah, man. hawks have something this year. And I think Rondo wasn't the right point guard for them. I really like Jose Willie Williams has started out right. Yeah, I really like Willie Williams in Atlanta. Now. I think he's a good guy to play with Trey young. I really like Atlanta. They can outscore you any night. You're on the court. Atlanta can outscore you that's a team. That first round matchup. I hope we get it. I hope Atlanta finishes around six or seven. So we can get that Brooklyn Atlanta first round matchup because it's just gonna be 150 to 148 every single night. So

Rayshawn Buchanan:

honestly, that's, that's it. From I guess I'm just a fan standpoint, I guess you should say that but honestly, the hope needs to be that Boston guest finds a way to get to the fourth seat like immediately when it gets get to the fourth seed, and then let either Atlanta in Miami duke it out to beat at five seed. That's that's your best so moving on to the second round. Because there's some of the AC that they're not getting Philadelphia or Brooklyn in the first round. I think they could be filling in the second round. fair to say about that. That's just how I personally see it right now and beat is on fire. And yes, and I have to steal the line from Mike about you know, being you know, being wrong right. You know, when you guys talk about Philly being a top two I immediately scoffed at that. I just felt like Philadelphia was going to be they were going to implode like how you thought Brooklyn was going to implode Joellen beat is balling he was the MVP before we got hurt

Rob Kelly:

unbelievable this year. He's gonna unreal Yeah,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I'm you know Simmons is playing great defense Tobias Harris a soccer relevant NBA player again we know you know Dagobah Santa Claus you know South Korea is doing things and you know they got mature, stable and Tyrese Maxey and shake Milton so they have this is really the best team they've had since that 2017 2018 year when they lost a Boston in the second round. You have to surround those 2 million Simmons and MB with shooters. And they have that now so to me, you know, they're beatable, but this is like it's gonna be hard because

Michael Marcangelo:

they're not beatable at all in the regular season. I mean, they're 25 which is unreal

Rayshawn Buchanan:

it's not but that's how it's been no during this era with them they played well even when they were trashed like when it was trust the process like they was good at home then. And then I said once and beaten cinnamon started play a lot more than it was like, Oh, you coming into the Wells Fargo Arena? It's you know is a you come to play hard or they're gonna run you out to Dota and and that's what's been happening. So yeah, we're gonna see

Rob Kelly:

what's fun about Philly this year, as we're finally seeing the mbeadh that we've been bagging for five years now. You know what I mean? That mbeadh that's not scared to get down low and fuck people up. You know, he's not he's still taking threes. But he's not taken pull up threes anymore. He's not taken threes that that you don't see centers take anymore. He's playing the way he should be playing. And that's downlow dirty. He's a dog this year. Right and his coaching 100% and it when he plays like that? He is I don't this is a hell of a comparison. But he's as unstoppable as Shaquille O'Neal. When he plays like this. He's on that level of domination. It's not the

Rayshawn Buchanan:

in that he's a camouflage one not not not shot.

Rob Kelly:

He's okay. Okay. Alright, so the next tear down fine. Yeah, but when you sit down and actually watch one of these sixers games do when they're not playing the Celtics do it when they're playing the friggin I don't know the Pacers? Right. Yeah, actually be able to sit there and watch him play. And it's so enjoyable, man, it's so awesome to watch Ellen B do his thing this year. Because it's all the promise and everything that we've been hoping for the last five years when he's been out of shape. When he's been a bum. He doesn't hustle. Wasn't Doc Rivers got there was like, Listen, Joel, I can turn you in to a beast man. And he listened to him he bought in. And that's why we are where we are with them where they're so you're right, like

Michael Marcangelo:

100% right. I was right. But remember what I said like that Philly was gonna be a great regular season team because of doc. But they would crumble in the playoffs because of doc. Right? Like that's still there. I think that this team is still unproven until they hit the playoffs. And I think doc has a lot to prove in the playoffs. But I didn't think they were going to be 37 and 17. Like they're playing 72 games this year. Right. So there they are on pace to still win 48 or 50. That's a wild winning percentage. And I mean, their winning percentage is 685. Think about that dark rivers with Ben Simmons and Joel embiid. Who you know who before the season had a lot of naysayers is the exact same record as that all star team in Brooklyn right now.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

That's a testament to how good of a coach Docker was is but you know, you know why that's the case though. Like this Philly team fits Doc Rivers, right? Yeah, clippers team they were trying to chase they were trying to chase the Lakers even I'm probably even with the Kobe you're like, it's just don't they don't want to be the second fiddle and, you know, you know, you know, you guys have your jack Nicklaus said, we got our Billy Cristo and, you know, now we had, you know, they get rid of Donald Sterling and bring us the bomber. And so, you know, there was some fresh blood bring it, you know, being brought over there. So, you know, they were trying to get to that level, you know, with Chris Paul, and you know, Matt bars Blake Griffin, DeAndre Jordan, but it's like it was still kind of Hollywood. So he's a gritty guy. That's why they're always a team one because it was like, okay, kg was a monster. That's He's turning and beat into he's he's becoming a cagey type of player but he but he's, he's bigger than what he was, you know, I'm saying so this is not yet Not yet. He's doing it. But this is I feel like there was nights and not not in Boston per se but we forget how good Kevin Garnett was in Minnesota where I

Unknown:

just

Rayshawn Buchanan:

want to be like, Oh, man, like, it was.

Rob Kelly:

That's true, right? Yeah, but I just mean when it comes to MB is like when he's playing at his best. It's dude it he's on edge. Literally, there is nothing you can do. You know what I mean? So that's why I really feel like when he's at his best he is on that level of man. He really is because right, that's what doctors turned him into is he's in jail while keeps up this level of production for multiple years. I mean, we don't know if he can wait it off his knees or his feet. Oh, hang in there. But he's gonna be among the top centers ever. And there's no doubt about that, in my opinion.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, I mean, I'll still take Nicola Yogesh, you know, those that know me outside of the show. I am a huge Nicola Joker's fan,

Rob Kelly:

we'll get to the Joker, we'll get to the Joker, don't worry.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

He's the problem. And it's just like man, he to me. That's the guy we started with. That's just my opinion. But me I said and be just as we played on another level for sure.

Michael Marcangelo:

Moving on to the Western Conference, I think this is the biggest surprise conference that we have here. I mean, so number one, Utah Jazz 40 and 14, Phoenix Suns number 238 and 15 clippers at three nuggets at four Lakers again there should be a little bit of an asterisk next to that because of LeBron ad. But trouble he does it six Mavericks and seven Memphis at eight of your top eight teams. Who is the biggest like what team is the biggest riser in the Western Conference, Bobby?

Rob Kelly:

I mean, you got to go with the suns Right. I mean, I thought they were going to be good this year. Coming into this season. They were that team everyone was hyped on but 38 and 15 man this team is an absolute wagon this year they're just dominated Chris Paul is playing like Chris Paul does his guy is the point God He's unbelievable McHale bridges, we have Devin Booker, like these guys are just loaded this year and they're ready for a run. They're the team that I think is gonna is going to be able to push the Lakers push the clippers. I like the jazz, but the suns to me, man. There's Oh fun to watch with Paul and Booker. They're they're my NBA league pass team every single time I log on to league pass. If the sons are playing, I click on their game 100%

Michael Marcangelo:

right biggest rise in the West.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, I mean, Bobby said it best like it has to be Phoenix. I'm actually surprised that Portland is still six. I feel like they've had a lot they've been you know, Cobra injuries to CJ being now Melo had a little bit of a resurgence this year over there. Obviously dam has been dammed. I mean, you know, he's hitting shots on like the Nike building and I made that reference has a Nike boaters in Oregon, but he's been hastily hitting it from Eugene, Oregon is ridiculous. Damn is awesome. But you know, Joe, you know you're not on the show with us tonight. Brother. We got the Utah Jazz, right? We said that Utah was going to be a problem. And man had they been mad they ever been a problem you know Mr. Coronavirus himself really good bear has been great. And Michelle has been awesome. You know, speaking to Michelle's I noticed that this is we're talking about pros but watch out for another 45 and every day we got Michelle from Baylor he's going to be a rookie this year. He's going to be a problem but I just had to put that in the he's a problem. But yeah, you guys have been awesome. And I have to bring this up. We got to kill the narrative that Chris Paul not a winner. Yes, I get to hear his victory finals. But that's it. If you let me finish, sir, thank you, sir. Sorry. Thanks. Thanks. Thank you. Thanks for having me. You're welcome. Whenever it doesn't mean not a mean but there's a there's a graphic somewhere that shows the winning percentage that changes from the team when he was on the year before he got there to the A gets there. The team automatically gets it like at least about a 20% win increase. So yes, he plays he makes when he plays he makes teams better and but as I get it I know it feeds in sir you know you Wendy case point about how you know a guy that six feet can be the best player on a championship team. Obviously we've had a few exceptions, but Chris Paul makes your team better there's no way that Phoenix is 38 and 15 without Chris Paul that that's just not happening yesterday surprised people in a bubble by winning a streak you know, to try to force a plan but it didn't didn't get there. But Chris Paul, he impacts winning, unlike like most players in the league, so to say that he's you know, he's a loser and like most of us saying this and I'm like, this is not a knock on you. This is a knock to some people. I noticed when we listening to this and they were saying congrats on the success of the show. Some of y'all

Rob Kelly:

never got it never gonna shit on.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, that's fine. That's. They know who I am. Some of y'all didn't get a YMCA trophy. Y'all have a nerve to talk about Chris ball. I don't get it. I don't get it. It's one thing to say he didn't played well. I was like, What am I gonna say that he's trash? No. No. So those of you listening you know who you are. We listen to this and you can write to me. Remember, my Instagram is underscore Hollywood walay You can find me on Facebook they're very Sean D Buchanan all that you can write to me but to say he's trying to I was like you have not you didn't get more than a YMCA trophy

Michael Marcangelo:

show i mean you know you I mean you really know you've made it big as a podcast when you can individually go after what listeners one by one like that's a telltale sign of knowing what I will say there's a there can be a difference between being being those people that believe that he's trash and he's not a winner right scoreboard he's not a winner as exponentially better as he is made teams that the year that he's gone on to them, how many of them have won a championship? rhetorical zero, because he for some reason, and I don't know if it's just bad luck maybe it is. And if that's the case, sure, you know, there are great players in this league that never won a championship Karl Malone is one of one of the best never won and I don't think that we that we call I mean would you call it Karl Malone a loser? No.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

hit him with john Stockton but I noticed people that are because once again but at least they got to the finals twice. So they got there but to say I mean I'll be shame shaming them for losing a Michael Jordan. I'll be I'll be doing that. Now. Is that like I mean, I'll be saving I'll be shaming him for losing to Kim a large one and the conference finals. Like I just I don't understand that metaphor they beat they beat Houston as well to add to coming off that so let's just like I'd like to I'm not gonna get into the rabbit hole. We can go. Oh, hold on. Hey, bring the 90 show later on. But it's just like I could go all day with that. But keep going like one

Michael Marcangelo:

second, Bobby. But I don't want to go too far into the rabbit hole. But let's just the tip. Okay, how about how about we talk about like the murderer's row of players that that beat, you know, Karl Malone and john Stockton. Let's compare that to the murderer's row players that have kept Chris Paul from the finals.

Rob Kelly:

Oh, we can do that. You know who you know who kept him from the finals most years. It's just it's Steph Curry and the Golden State Warriors, or James Harden. Oh, he was on heart with harden. There was a couple of years where he did lose a Kobe Bryant like it really. So I'm gonna defend Chris Paul here because I love Chris Paul. So all right, I got this one. I'll take it man I got we're not when we call him a winner. Just I've said this so many times on this show. Just because you don't win a championship does not mean that you're not a winner. championships are the hardest things to win. And it's the hardest thing to do in sports. Literally. Chris Paul has brought every single team that he has been on to the playoffs year after year, this man's team's win. Last year, he went to the Oklahoma City Thunder who were tanking and brought them to the playoffs. So every single time just do goes to a team. All they do is when granted. Can they take that next step? No. But that isn't always necessarily Chris Paul's fall in my opinion. He had Doc Rivers in LA he had James Harden Houston, when you have flawed pieces, guess what you have pretty far. And I think that this Phoenix situation is the best situation for Chris Paul. And I think this year is going to be the deputy but

Michael Marcangelo:

how many times have we said that? Like Didn't we say that about him in LA with doc? Wasn't that wasn't him? Blake DeAndre. It wasn't that the best time for him to win? And that he didn't

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I mean it he also I mean, even in the world, but I'm not

Rob Kelly:

denying that but yeah,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

even enormous right. Like they they were to see it in a way you know, they weren't they weren't fitness his games was had to tell him in his second best player. Are you kidding me? Sorry. No, sorry. Let me downside. Let me say that back. I'm gonna be disrespectful. David West, I'm sorry. There was a second best way but it's just like David was tested challenge. were part of your quote unquote, big three. And they weren't fit to schedule a team. Like, once again, what happened after he leaves as soon as he leaves a team? Yeah, I mean, granted, the clip was a different cuz they were able to find Paul George. And they got they brought in a kawhi. Well, guess what? Yes, he was a champion. But they both do a three one lead. Just saying. So it's just like, so it's just like, my thing? Is, he impacts on winning once again. Yes, he does have four or five rings, but not many players do right? A lot of people don't even have one right.

Rob Kelly:

That's what I'm saying. Man. winning a championship is hard guys,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

as a team, it is a team accomplishment. T e a m as a team is a team accomplishment. And we murder players all the time, not just in basketball, but across words. When Oh, when? How many of your favorite players one on one, my favorite player Did you know shout out to Paul piers, the captain in truth. My guy got what I'm saying. So it's just like, it's just I don't know, but it's just I don't know, man, Chris Paul, the slander on him is is wild at times. And I say, you know, I want to thank you for coming to my TED Talk. And it's just like, you know, but we can keep going with the Western Conference.

Michael Marcangelo:

Yeah, so a biggest loser in the Western Conference, Bobby, based on what you've seen so far, who has underperformed thus far, you know, given the expectations

Rob Kelly:

that you had. So I don't want to say underperformed, I would say the biggest loser to me currently today, as we Stand because of the devastating news that just happened as a Denver Nuggets. This team was primed to make a run, man. This is a good basketball team. I've told you guys this all year, Aaron Gordon goes there, and he's a perfect piece for them. I was so pissed. We didn't get him, but we'll get there. He's perfect piece in Denver. You have Jamal Murray. You have the Joker who to me at this point is probably the MVP of the league. This man is unbelievable. his age. His darkening went to 2.0 that's what joke ah. And then last night, devastating news. Jamal Murray is out for the year and that's such a killer than that team. And that's like Jalen going out for us or Tatum going out for us. That's such a killer to that team. I'm devastated for him. I really thought the Naga forgot to do something this year. He's probably

Unknown:

up for a lot next year to where he tore his ACL

Rob Kelly:

yet tore it the other biggest loser has to be the Golden State Warriors to see them. Listen, because they are maybe not who I was. Maybe not. Because I want to see some of the losses they've had this year with Steph Curry man it's devastating to me to see him on the sideline them losing by 53 points in a game so some of these games have been devastating. Here we go. They've been rough man. The other one with the other one. Because the other one I was thinking New Orleans Pelicans. That team should be so much damn bad. Yeah,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

we agree on that one. Yeah.

Rob Kelly:

Much better to have Brandon and grim and to have Zion Williamson who is he's a tree man. You got you watch him play. He's on real and that reason is Steven get Vanguard 100% He's the worst coach in the NBA so bad.

Michael Marcangelo:

Right don't don't let what Bobby just did a negate the passion that you just had talk about the Golden State Warriors a little bit and why they're not disappointing. Why Bobby's taking them being one of the biggest disappointments or biggest underperformance in his opinion is wrong me Yeah,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

people had them in the lottery and I get it right now they would be but they the fact that they've won 26 games I think what are they 26 to 28 Mike

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knows what two games out of the playoffs Yeah,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

so to be only to get out to play without clay Angela witness was more inconsistent than the third grader at times. You know, it's unbelievable and honestly, I think I said this on a previous show. If they find a way to get in Do not be surprised and Klay Thompson comes back and I promise you if they sneak in to get a seven seat and clay comes back whoever is that top two seed savers Utah is going home they're going home and imagine that goes again and I would sorry Joe doubt that we will lose baby lose a point there I understand that but I've seen it so many times with Steph and clay when numbers catch fire as we saw with Stephen he literally last night to me

Rob Kelly:

that's why was I said that I said the warrior thing and edler I remembered 53 it popped in my head

Rayshawn Buchanan:

that man is unreal. You know finally he has a number that surpasses what because we know what was a legend on and off the court for many reasons not to get into that but it's oh man I don't know like I mean trust me Bobby you're not alone in that thinking. There's a lot of people that think that Golden State has underperformed they think they're going to be a lot of routine but I'm telling you do not let go into state get into this play off with what curry can get hide any game I'm telling you don't know what happened.

Michael Marcangelo:

Quick question before we before we move on a little bit if the season were to end today as it's currently constituted, and let's say that the Warriors get to number seven, right? They play Phoenix who wins man

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I don't let's see we say that because obviously there's Chris Paul and we but a lot of the guys have not but I got I actually I'm going to stay in upset and that sounds crazy. I noticed some people say that but I just curry and I'm sorry. As much as we just praise Chris Paul. Steph Curry owns him twice it was him in the postseason. So if that's not you know, he made a man play Twister on the court if you don't believe me go back and watch it on YouTube. He made that man play Twister on the court and even it seemed as was like damn, so like that it's he owns that man so I'm pretty sure that Chris Paul does not want to see him in the first round.

Rob Kelly:

Yeah, if Golden State gets into that tournament that plan tournament that's gonna be so fun to watch Steph Curry and a one game playoff again. It'd be like March Madness All right. Yeah, man. Yeah, exactly. I wouldn't hate that. I don't think they'll get by the songs. But if they get into that play in tournament they're gonna let their

Rayshawn Buchanan:

core go. I mean, I mean obviously they have crowd Jae Crowder is on there all day. He just was so fun as last year. Obviously Chris Paul has been in numerous playoff has had numerous playoff appearances but you know Booker's never been there as good as he is Booker's ever been there Dr. James ever been there? McHale bridges has never been there. So there's a lot of guys on that team that's a part of their core going forward. That haven't had that pressure. Now obviously, it's going to help having a Chris Paul there is going to help having even a Galle Jae Crowder there but like I said, step Stephen drain mine as much as I can't stand him on. There's a switch that they turn on when it comes to the postseason. So I'm actually really intrigued by that point, Mike, I I really hope that matchup happens. And I'll take all bets on for that for this series, Bobby, you know, I'll take all bets on like, whether straight up, plus three, whatever minus three whatever I'm talking. Yeah.

Michael Marcangelo:

It's just interesting to me that like, for me again, if it's golden state vs anything that Chris Paul is on I'm taking the Golden State every day would be Dallas they would be the leader of your team is someone who, whether it's his fault or not, has not been able to get over the hump and you're and you are your he's your leader. And you're on a team that has no other core guys that have ever made it. That's trouble because when you get down then what happens? Right and especially if the team like Golden State, which they do not lose in playoffs, they just don't

Rayshawn Buchanan:

ever you. Do you trust Damian Lillard though?

Michael Marcangelo:

No, hell yeah. And the playoffs now?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Wow. Well,

Michael Marcangelo:

should I tell me why?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I mean, I feel I mean, great outside of what happened a few years ago, there's noise when they got swept like he's, he's sent people home a few times. Like I trust him in a moment. Like obviously, there was our magic has to go to state like you're not beating Durant and like, that's not happening, but I guess anybody else like, you know, they might have had a chance to beat la lash in the first round, but he end up getting hurt and some other guys got hurt like they kcp there was an APB out for his defense like he was he was he was missing in that play. Like they may lose whatever he wanted. So I chose Dame I shot stuff I showed CPT. I just don't trust him to get Steph Curry because Steph Curry is gonna do whatever he wants. And Steph Curry has the ability to send you home crying to your mama and your daddy immediately

Michael Marcangelo:

right now. It'd be the trailblazers versus the clippers.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I mean, that that but that's something even serious that people think people think oh, this kawhi is PG de who's gonna guard damn

Rob Kelly:

damn scared that's the thing is James ever scared didn't any team that the blazers face they can beat them if demons healthy specifically because listen, Dan's not scared. So that means that team's not scared. You know? They're they're not gonna back down against anyone. Doesn't matter if it's fucking LeBron James doesn't matter. You start Damon that all star game man. He was like, you know what if he came over big TV? Yo, I texted Ray

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Bell game, bro. Did you know

Rob Kelly:

Jamie Lillard is a dog man. And in a seven game series, there's no one else that I would rather have on my team. If I'm being honest. They don't want nobody else. There's there's no one else for seven games that I know is gonna give me what you need to win. Granted. Yes, LeBron James. LeBron James one gave me a lower two. Those are the two guys I want my team in a seven game series because it's just the unstoppable factors like you could play the best defense in the world and the world. It doesn't matter. You could be literally, it was gonna sound like it's not like it's not supposed to. We literally inside this dude. And he's still gonna drain that fucking 30 footer in your face. It doesn't fucking matter.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yes, yeah. splash splash city. Right. Right.

Rob Kelly:

So though to me, those are my two guys that I would take him inside of a game. So yeah, I trust

Michael Marcangelo:

I just a quick question before we go to the Celtics because we have a lot of happy go lucky. So let's talk about you know, our green team. Ideally, KD or our luid. Like who do you take in the playoffs?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Oh, Kevin Durant, Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant. We saw what happened when he was you know, in the words of Mexican when he was crewed up, when he pulls off on that last half of 30 feet is good. We've never seen a guy like that guy. He's 611 got the handles like a guard. No, it's Katie. He's the only guy that can travel abroad. It can't be ridiculous.

Michael Marcangelo:

I just wanted to bring that up because Bobby just said that there's no one besides LeBron, which is great that he would trust more than Lillard but

Rayshawn Buchanan:

just me honestly, he's taught he's tough on this offer.

Rob Kelly:

It's I would take lowered if you told me to guys, fuck that such a tough it's so hard to say. I don't know. Because I just feel like if you were building a team, and you needed a leader you needed a dog to lead you into that into I don't want to call war but to legions a war the NBA Playoffs? There's really if you gave me anyone Damian Lillard just seems like Bro, I know what I'm getting out of him. And I know that we're gonna have a fucking chance in this series so I

Rayshawn Buchanan:

did you know was also created um, I'm just as last time and make it so we can keep it going another 10 minutes about this. And the crazy part is there's another guy that plays on Kevin diverse team without I'd taken that moment too. And then Oh, yeah, yeah.

Michael Marcangelo:

That's fine. No.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

When a game is on the line. Yeah, I did. I mean, granted, we've seen it again. We seem to get to go to state. We've seen it against he know that it wasn't pretty much yet. Here. He had a game winner. I guess Detroit and his first playoff series like he had, like, I was like, I forget what year that was. I want to say it was the 2017 Conference Finals when LeBron had like four finals in like, like 20 minutes. And, you know, we just want to game three because john Jericho nationals remko everybody hit the game winner. And then, you know, it was like, okay, we're back and forth. And Carrie was like enough. No, just whatever I want. None of you motherfuckers can garden me. It's a rabbit. And so I've seen him take over the game. So I'm just like, when he's on. And once again, we did see it in Boston, too. So Boston fans get this get the salt out. You just saw him love all these flavors. He chose to be salty. We sent him to Boston to win. He's on that man is special. So he's another guy that I put in that competition to I would love for that to be another topic by itself on another show, since we're, obviously so I could do a deeper dive right now, which is going off emotion and by what I remember. But yeah, those are guys. I think it was a damn carry. My buddy Kate Katie's got to be in the top two has to be when he's healthy. He's ridiculous

Michael Marcangelo:

once I get to take a deep dive into that, not tonight, but our next show, for sure. So now we get to talk about our favorite team. The team that brings puts smiles on our faces. And I'm talking about the one the only the Boston Celtics. I prepared a little statement. close games have been an issue for the Celtics all season. They're 28 and 2621 of those 26 losses have been within five points in the last five minutes. Only the suns have fewer losses that weren't within five. In the last five. They lost their eight that their first eight clutch games after the all star break. She didn't just one for 12 on clutch threes, and six for 12 on clutch free throws. But the C's broke through last week. Right. I think we can all agree that coming back from fourth quarter deficits to beat the next in the wolves. After scoring just 37 points on 46 clutch possession. So the first eight games, they scored 37 on 25. Wednesday and Friday shooting six for 11 unclutch threes. So my question is, who do we trust the Celtics that we've seen before last week, or the Celtics that we've seen since last week? Bobby, go ahead.

Rob Kelly:

This past week has been it's been a relief, I'll give you that it absolutely has and to see them play the way that they've been playing. I have a few stats that we'll get into that really do show that they are turning the corner here. And they are figuring out the lineups that they need to use and that this isn't fake. You know, what scares me is even when it is going great. We still have these moments of like paradise air, it is like even that timberwolves game, right, we were down huge came back. Those first 20 minutes were brutal. We're up 11 with three and a half minutes left, and ended up in overtime. So it's like, yes, I do trust this stretch. And there are some numbers that show that it is real. But there's just moments still where you see that leak through, and it scares you. But it's a hell of a lot less than it used to be. It really is the last six games have been. I've actually been able to watch the basketball game, the fall games, I've been able to sit there and watch them. And that's something I haven't been able to say here.

Michael Marcangelo:

So I'm gonna repeat this again for re and then I'll let him go 21 of their 26 losses have been by five points within the last five minutes. Again, this team has duped us before, right? We because of the talent on this team. We know what they can be when we see glimpses of that we're like, oh, they're back. Right? There are seven and three in the last 10 So who do you trust the team that you've seen up until last week? Or do you believe that this is that that they've turned a corner and now this is the team that we can believe in? So

Rayshawn Buchanan:

honestly, I still believe is a mix of both honestly like I think they are that team that has shown you know to fall in late and late game situations but also could be the team that started to actually figure it out. And so although we don't like to speak about this year was held officially because it pissed us off. If we go back that 2018 2019 year you're the year they lost in Milwaukee in a sec around that team started out 10 and 10 and people were wondering like man, like you know what, what is going on? And you know, can they can you know, can can horseshoes you know making the adjustments that's going to it's going to make this team go. And so I think it was a game in New Orleans. I figured somebody went down and got hurt. And a horse shows up put Marcus smart in the game. And so because of horseshoes adjustment, that team, they actually want a in the verb at that moment. They went to 18 to 10 and, you know, you know, it was like oh man, you know we're back and we're doing this and the house is perfect. And it was just going crazy. So you know, you know that was a good move on horses at that time. Now fast forward to this year horse shoes puts in Brad Brad not want to make her but he's no longer there. Porsche has put in a Rob Williams and the defense takes off. Right. And that's what happened with you know, horses put smart in a few years ago. So I just think that now that the defense is where we needed to be situationally, you know, situationally correct. Right. As we talked about before off, the air defense has gotten better. Yes, I know. The typical score was wild, obviously 145 to 136 that was insane South attendant forgetting his career high efficiency points that night, finally get into the fucking free throw line. You know how to get that out there. But I'm like, dude, like you got to shoot for those. But I think that is putting, you know, I want to get COVID but I think with Justin Thompson being out like this, and let us know. Okay, we have we finally have something Rob Williams. Let's just go with this. And, you know, so horseshoes. Credit washers, they're put in Justin's house. And after he came back, he said, you know, you know, he got on this press conference that was like, you know, we're gonna stick with Rob. She's me. So that that's good. So you know, I'm not changing what I feel about horseshoes, but I'm glad that you've made some adjustments that we've actually helped the team and you know, they're looking Okay, now.

Michael Marcangelo:

I know. Like, it sounds like you're going to try but I promise you like you cannot call Brad Stevens horseshoes enough. There's just not enough time that Yeah,

Rob Kelly:

is also true. It gets me every time.

Michael Marcangelo:

So Bobby, you know, we'll talk a little bit more about how we feel about the Celtics right now. But I think we would be doing ourselves a disservice not to preview a game. And for those of you that are listening to this, hold this against us. They're playing the Portland Trailblazers tonight. They're playing your boy, your man that one person that you would own The only person that you would take below LeBron James stimula. Lillard in the Portland Trailblazers, right? How do we shape up against this team? And if we win this game again, we'll be eight and three on our last 11. Is that enough for you to believe that this team is making a run and pushing into the playoffs? Yeah,

Rob Kelly:

I think this West Coast trip is going to tell us a lot I really do. West Coast trips are always very telling of a team. I remember when the championship I was like back in oh eight went on that run and Texas that was kind of the turning point of that season. So if we can come out of this run, and go three and one, four and l on this West Coast trip. I think that's a very good sign for this team tonight. It's going to be tough. Portland is kind of a trap game tonight because Portland's been struggling lately. I think they've lost four of six is their fourth game in like five days. So it is a game where we see this Celtics normally kind of lay an egg. So I'm a little nervous about that. But I think we come out and win tonight. I really do Tatum she's been on an absolute tear. So I want to give you guys a couple numbers here for Jason Tatum. Oh, before I end, so before the all star break. Jason Tatum was taking 21% of his shots inside the restricted area and shooting 62% on those shots. Since the all star break, he's taken almost 30% of the shots within the restricted area, which is within the pain everyone for anyone doesn't know basketball, and shooting 73.4% on those shots. So he's taking 6% more shots inside the paint, which means he's driving the basketball, which in turn has averaged 8.1 points per game at the rim. Also, he's taking 40% of his shots behind the arc, right. He's only shooting about 6% of his shots in between the paint. And the three point which is something that we have been begging Jason Tatum to do his entire goddamn career. And to me, that's such a big contributor to what we're seeing to this team. Because Tatum isn't taking those 19 footers that are killing possessions anymore. He's taking good quality three point shots. He's driving the basketball, like we have been asking him to do for years, so he can continue to do that. I really think this team is in good but is in good shape. If we revert back to the Coby Jason Tatum that we saw the past two years, or the I guess the anti Coby is like the bad version of COVID the past few years and this season's gonna end up right where we were it really Oh yeah,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

that's fair. That's that's fair to say. I do think and I like Bobby I'm sure you know where I'm going with this. Mike you as well, me you as well. Craig. Remember last year when he went on this trip to Denver. It's a Portland. I want to say it might have made you tie involving your lashes because they switched it up obviously because of what's going on with the schedule. This is the ones who went on his run last year. He went on to run into Portland. He had 41 against LA and La they lost that game but that was kind of like a rival game. He had 39 against the Clippers like so. This was the trip last year that kind of catapulted hate him. So I'm hoping that's the case. Now, you know the biggest thing that we didn't we didn't bring up. They held Denver to eight points. And the 14

Rob Kelly:

day eight man What do you say eight

Rayshawn Buchanan:

eight and eight. Oh bob bob Ryan brought it up I mean I think that's honestly brought it up to in his interview you can listen to that in the show another show but as a friend to show us right so how you doing Dan? But they were on a 36 and six running us Atlanta back gain, I want to say in the 88 playoffs because they played a lender a couple years, but I think 88 that was the good everyone will remember. So they did that against Atlanta. So this is one of the best quarters in southeast basketball history. Like it was awesome. And it kind of flew under the radar. And I'm like, yo, we've been clamoring for this team to actually play defense. And I'm like, I see it in the starting lineup tonight. You know, it looks like Porsche has been another adjustment. So you have so it's gonna be kemba Oh no, it's not the same. So it's kemba smart, Tatum brown and Rob I thought they took smart out but I forgot that funny he still start brand new pine because he's under the COVID protocol so this may be their best defense a lineup would have been smart and and robinair they just had to keep playing like it obviously it just keep running right just keep running you know off off a rebound just go rob is gonna run the floor and Rob spaces afford right that's the key so let's have a hopefully just back to Tatum you know, tanta Tatum is definitely he's definitely started best player. Like I know when we were going back and forth. roseberry hammer Brown is Tatum and it's just like, you know, sorry, Dave, I know you you know you like you know, you like brown spirit. And you know, actually most of y'all like brown spur y'all. Y'all. Y'all got kids? For some reason. But you know, Bobby said it best about me. I think on another show that we did. I'm about the stars. I get the role playing is not to say that browse of role play, but I'm saying like we, you know, we like we hold on to these role guys. Oh, like, you know, the Jay Crowder's and Marcus Mars man, that's that's cool. I was appearance guy now metate them guy, like, let him be the guy, let it let him take us there, the numbers are showing that he's starting to improve on anything I want for 10 Mr. Brown, just keep moving the ball. That's what they've been doing lately, too. That's what's been helping. There was a couple of killers, heroin turnovers where they've moved the ball too much. But I'd rather see a turnover from that, then it being you know, you know, shake at the top of the at the top of the key. And then as a follow away fadeaway three, or it's a shot that goes out of bounds by 30 feet. So I like what I'm seeing, and I hope that this is the virtual that turns it around. So like Bobby said, and they go through one, four. No, that would be awesome. And you know, we're back in business.

Michael Marcangelo:

Yeah. So I guess the real heart of my question is it feels like we've been so out in the Celtics all season long. Like we didn't trust them. We didn't believe that they had, we know that they had the talent. We just didn't believe that they had the whatever it would take to get them to this next point. So if they go three and one or four in one way if they sweep the southwest coast road trip, right. And let's say they get into the playoffs as the fifth seed, and they make it to the Eastern Conference Finals again. And they lose. Do all the drastic things that we called four weeks ago still need to happen.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Guess what she needs to go?

Rob Kelly:

It depends our Yeah, I mean, so yeah, the Brad Stevens partner is a horseshoes.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I can't so it's not give me good freshmen. It's

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okay. Okay, I

Michael Marcangelo:

gotta go because I think if they go to the Eastern Conference Finals, and you can be a star fucker all you want, right? Right. You want you love your polyp. Here's your your Jason Tatum. The fact of the matter is, the team with Isaiah Thomas and Kelly olynyk made it the exact same distance as a team with your star. And Jalen Brown. Right Eastern Conference Finals has not gone any further than that. So let's say that they've reached the top and it's Eastern Conference Finals. Do you move one of them?

Rob Kelly:

Well, no, I'm taking this I'm sorry, right. I'm taking this one. I'm so sick of this goddamn narrative, man. I'm so sick of it. Jaylen brown and Jason Tatum are fucking 24 years 24 and 23 years old. Yeah. You do not move one of them. It will be what? Unless you're bringing back a James Harden unless you're bringing back someone who is

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Oh, no.

Rob Kelly:

I already told you right. We've already said that. Jake. I want you to know Yeah, okay. So but I'm just saying like, unless you're getting back a baller like that you don't move one of them because they're so young at this point. It's unbelievable to me, the amount of scrutiny you guys face at this young of an age when they play as well as they do. The only reason the Celtics are even in a stratosphere of competing this year is because of Jalen brown and Jason Tatum. So the fact that this is a narrative in Celtics now, it's not just you, I'm not coming at you. But the fact that this is a narrative is just it's crazy to me because if this happens, like we still talk about the day the Bruins traded tower Sagan We still talk about the day that the Red Sox traded these stars. And I promise you, if we trade Jalen brown or Jason Tatum, we will be talking about it for 10 to 15 years, when both of those guys either one of them is dominating for another team. And whoever we trade him for has been off our team for five fucking years. Yeah, so we always do it Danny, go on with

Michael Marcangelo:

what you just said know, what you just said is a very interesting point that I want. I just want to quickly come back into that we've returned to leaf we don't we don't go after each other. But I'm gonna go after you for this one. Right, we hold on to the data Tyler staking was traded because he won a stanley cup with the 2011 Bruins. We remember the days that stars are traded from the Red Sox because they either just won a championship recently, or they won the next year. My point, my biggest point of contention is you say that we are where we are at right now. The only reason that we are in contention is because we have Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown. My counter to that is when we didn't have them when we had nobody, that anyone in the league valued. We were in the Eastern Conference Finals because of Brad. So then what? Because my point is, if you remove two of them, and you only have him, you'll still be here. How do we get to the next level? Right?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Get rid of? Yeah, yeah, get rid of horseshoes, but also get rid of kemba.

Rob Kelly:

That's that's a common denominator there. Wait before that's the common denominator there. Right. You have Isaiah you have to do just averaging 30 points a game came get to the finals, you have to the best NBA prospect loss as well and so on. Can't get to the finals. Why is this on the players? We have to defer? So we know we have two different groups of players that were very good teams. And he couldn't get him to the

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tippy tippy fair.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

does best Jalen Brown. What know what he's good about? Jalen Brown was a rookie on that 2016 2017 team. He was hardly playing. That's one you want to keep Tatum go going to going to get go get Bradley Bill and I promise you that Tatum was there she is. So I'm here for it. And Bradley was only 27 years old. I'm here for it. Bring Bradley Baron for Jalen Brown. Get rid of kemba and I bet you this this team just seems hands around. I promise.

Rob Kelly:

I just want to wait. Well one last thing on Jason Tatum is like, I know, I talked him up so much, but it's like I don't think boss I don't want to shout on Celtics fans as a whole but like i don't think Celtics fans realize how special and how talented this guy really is like the Great's of basketball NBA history, Allen Iverson toxis dude, we've had I forget who was was LeBron, as marveled at Jason Tatum, like the Great's of basketball. Look at Jason Tatum. And they're like, dude, that's a dude that you want on your team for the next 10 to 15 years. Can you imagine Jason Tatum when he matures, and he is 2829 years old. And he is it's gonna be unbelievable and he is

Michael Marcangelo:

fresh off another three Eastern Conference Finals

Rob Kelly:

defeat You're driving me nuts, man if the Boston Celtics and so if this ends up happening, right, and we go miss the Eastern Conference Finals next two years, and because of the pressure in Boston, they trade Jason Tatum. That is going to be the biggest mistake and Celtics franchise history. And it will ruin the franchise for the next five to 10 years and that is a

Rayshawn Buchanan:

has to be brown. It can't be. You can't do it. It has to be brown. It has to be heavy. And they can't come cameras off the books in 2023. What am I honestly Listen, horseshoes number two aka at any age. You have you got to get rid of combat in the offseason you have to at this point, like I'm praying to the heavens above that kemba balls out this postseason because it stock will go away. Because that's what we need. Get his ass to Logan Airport immediately. I'm talking about as soon as the playoffs is over. I'm gonna go bring him to the clan boss today, Quincy. Not a sponsor, go get him some seafood. Get up, put him in, put his luggage in a suburban truck. Ship his as to Logan and send it right back to the Bronx. Or send him down to Charlotte where his mom is that Where's wonderful mothers that shout him out he's got to go I love Canva

Rob Kelly:

you're going you don't want smiley around any more.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

No, I love him as a person. But I'm like can you actually deliver and once again and I even the same breath in me kind of killing him. And until that past that was made by Kyle Lowry. He made the game when it played to this should have had him three Oh, he made the play that played his house was one of the best plays I've seen in the playoffs ever. So it was just like we were that close that we want to be worried about man what was his knee? Well, you know we were talking about that about like he was he was performing up to that point. But either way that was last year. This is now listen, we got to get to Uber

Michael Marcangelo:

I just have one one last bit of controversy to dispose of amongst you and then we can wrap up. Looking at a statute, there's no real difference between Jalen brown and Jason Tatum so I don't care. I mean, I would I Jason is

Rayshawn Buchanan:

this this season? Absolutely this season? Sure.

Michael Marcangelo:

Like Jason is not if you could get a Bradley Beal for Jason Tatum to play with Jalen Brown. I would do it No way.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

No the other way around. It's got to be brown, but I'm not gonna get him. habitated Please wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, Bobby, why wouldn't he? Why would he? Why?

Michael Marcangelo:

Because people in the league because people in the league regard Jason Tatum as this next big thing,

Rob Kelly:

cuz he is cuz. Cuz he is.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Like, I can't trust Jaylen Brown. Jalen brown could get you Bradley bill. If you have to maybe Listen, maybe we have to ship and you know, you want to get them grant waivers you want to give them? Let's say you want to give them my niece and nephew. Fine. Give him whatever you want. I will take Bradley Ville here in a heartbeat. And I think Jalen brown as the centerpiece around that deal. was a couple of pigs like that. definitely get that deal done.

Unknown:

Absolutely. You

Rayshawn Buchanan:

said you're done. No, no way.

Rob Kelly:

No One No one's beaten that deal either.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

You know what I mean? That and then it's just now you know, then obviously, you know, you find a way to get rid of Kimbo Arbitron on the team in a you know, remember that I think that can we do we talked about him going to Dallas like Tim Hardaway and Natalie cleaver, whatever. Like, that's how you build out that you surround that match. And also I think they need to resign 42 I know earlier, resign him. And so now Dan, you have a deeper team around Tatum. And you just you let him go. And you just let him go from there. Because Bradley Beal could play point guard glide, and he's Six, five and now you don't have a weakness especially you got his bill, smart, Tatum, whoever your forebears and Rob Williams. Oh, yeah, I'm here for it. Let's go. Let's go.

Rob Kelly:

I just I always reiterate. It is like this is the worst Celtics bench I've seen in maybe 10 years. So so to say that this these guys don't have it. Because last year, yeah. All right. would judge you on last year for sure. But I just don't see this year as a clear indicator of it. I do agree with Ray over 40 years, though. 40 year, I think is going to be a good piece down the stretch. And that's also an impressive thing that we've been doing this without him. Last thing on camera too. Every time he scores anytime he scores 20 points, the Celtics have won 60% of those outings. So anytime. What do you know you don't say anytime Canva is the Canva that we signed that we had last year. We are on par with that team. Last year we had about a 60% winning percentage. Why can't we wait about 60% of our game fact is it to do that much anymore. But so it kemba is an X Factor. But I agree he is the guy that you got to move and don't fucking trade Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown. Please, just please don't do it. I promise you we're going to be sad if we do it unless we get Bradley bill and Bradley bill comes on here. I will have a Bradley bill jersey on

Rayshawn Buchanan:

immediately. I might

Rob Kelly:

have a Jalen brown jersey but I will have a Bradley bill jersey. Facts facts

Michael Marcangelo:

like while I'm so excited, Bobby that you know, because it pained me, actually, to my core as a sports person when you said this team wasn't even fun to watch anymore. It sounds like you've bought in a little bit more than your back. They can still prove it. You know, for me, I can't go once without saying that. I don't know. I mean this. I love watching basketball and all sports. I don't trust this team. And everything that I said and that we you said and that rayshawn said three weeks ago holds true to me. If in June, we're talking about an Eastern Conference Finals exit. Because if that's the ceiling with these players, that you that everyone has deemed one of them being the next big thing, then we need to do something and we need to do it quick because what we don't want is for Jason or Jalen to to become snake bitten and believe that all right. Well, I This isn't like I just I can't go further here. So I need to go further somewhere else.

Rob Kelly:

Yeah, I just hope it doesn't get to the point that it does feel I hate to always relate it back to the Cowboys. But I just hope we don't get to a point where we judge these guys without giving them the tools and pieces that they that a lot of other superstars have been given to succeed. You know what I mean? Like you will get a guy like Bret Stevens horseshoes, sorry, we look at a guy like horseshoes and I just don't feel like he like we've said it so many times. He's not the guy to get you to that championship level. And I said that earlier common denominator between teams bro, Brad Stevens, aka

Rayshawn Buchanan:

those he's and he's Andy Reid In Philadelphia it he's gonna keep getting you there to that point to that Brink and then it's like, Who knows?

Rob Kelly:

But and then guess what? You ate some chunky soup before the game and all sudden you're thrown. Right exactly

Rayshawn Buchanan:

kemba is McNabb and that's what's going on right now that's it that's the whole that's over Shawn is such a good comparison combos McNabb that that's exactly what's going on Porsche was Andy Reid he's gotta go

Rob Kelly:

gotta go Jason Tatum's not to Don't even think about fucking saying like,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

no, but that's how he feels. He feels right now he wants to say

Michael Marcangelo:

I think this is a great place to kind of add I really I love the fact that everyone is that the excitement meter is a little bit elevated more than it was before about the Boston Celtics. Let's see if they can do what they need to do to keep it elevated. So for this guy, you got to go through the brawn for those of you that aren't gonna be watching this on YouTube, podcasts, you know, like shoes, but for Craig D'Alessandro, thank you so much for producing the Ruby Kay, Bob Kelly, thank you so much. And I just want a personal based on what we talked about at the beginning of the show, Ray. I mean, this from the bottom of my heart, I know that we don't look like you, but we love you and we are here for you. None of this shit should be happening the way that it is. I'm sorry that it is we are here with you. So for you and everyone else that thank you so much for listening to missing the point and we'll talk to you later.