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Cut from episode 96 for time; Mike, Joe, and Craig debate how good Jacobi Meyers really is and his impact on the New England Patriots
Hosts: Joe Malkin, Michael Marcangelo, Craig D'Alessandro
Producer: Craig D'Alessandro
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We know CraigCraig D'Alessandro:
Give it to me, let's go!Michael Marcangelo:
Jakobi Meyers is a very, very good weapon. He's not a number three receiver, I need you to get thatCraig D'Alessandro:
So when I actually said for context is out of your head. He is the only bright spot or was the only bright spot on this team. Last year when we had a guy who that on any other team in the National Football League, he's a everyone, including me a time said, could not throw the ball. I think having a quarterback like Mac Jones, and even like am Newton right to his cred t. He didn't do what Tom Brady did in 2019 and shun him. Ri ht. I think what you're experie cing now on the offensive side f the ball. Again, I know we're comparing a lot of Tom Brad sorry. But early on in Brady' career, he didn't pick favor tes he just threw to the open pe son. That's what Mac's doing r ght now. He doesn't have he does 't he's not only targeting one person, you know, 30 times a ame. If you really think about it. I mean, you have Kend ick Borne 43 targets Jacob Meyers. 76 targets. Aguilar 4 00 Hunter Henry 42 Brandon Bolde 27 Jonnu Smith 34. He's eve ly distributing the ball. An I just really love this fo number three receivers. So he is the number three receiver on the mula of football, I think. An Craig, I wanted to call you n the air because I was t e guy in 2010 2011. Whateve . That said, Julian Edelman is a ful. He's not going to be ood. He's the wrong number. 11 t e real number 11 is Drew Bledsoe and I was wrong. He made me e t those words after Wes Welker l ft and after he had a chance t shine. But to this point, thr e seasons in Jakobi Meyers bl wing Edelman out of the wat r statistically. So here's yo r chance to take it back. S y he's not just the number hree say. Patriots. That's absolutely fine, because that's all they got or number three receivers on this team. And that's how it's been for the last 10 or so years and that's absolutely fine. Julian Edelman turned himself into a number one receiver by the end of it, but that took a while so maybe he'll turn into something moreMichael Marcangelo:
not to go down too much a rabbit hole Craig I'm really just trying to give you an out short Troy brown on any other NFL team whatever the number three number four receiver How do you feel though?Joe Malkin:
Rule number four a by a long stretch. I mean, Dr. Brown was a get a Troy Brown was a gadget guy for lack of a better term. I mean, he was a Taysom Hill before Taysom Hill was Taysom Hill.Craig D'Alessandro:
Also Jakobi Meyers cannot return punts. Giuliana Mike could do that with these. Yeah, what?Joe Malkin:
All right. So I have this problem. Hang on. I had this problem on Sunday, too. They took a guy that they trust that they know wasn't going to screw something up and put them back there. Jakobi Meyers was never intended to run back upon. And he's never been that guy. Yeah. Julian Edelman was he was an athlete. He came out of college as an athlete he didn't come out of college is a quarterback which he was I mean he's Jakobi Meyers is a wide receiver. That's that's what he is. Yeah. And that's what he will be Julian Edelman was an is much more than that. was Julian Edelman. A better player when he came into the League is a wide receiver. It is It was close.Michael Marcangelo:
No it's not no it's not close at all. I except the stats that it I mean, you could pull them up if you'd like. But it's not close. Jakobi Meyers averages. Okay, well, so his average catches died point seven yards. His average game is 50 yards, his average receptions per game is six. I mean, he's just really good. And I do that'sJoe Malkin:
a this is a rabbit hole. But what were his numbers in 2018, when he came in as a rookie,Michael Marcangelo:
no, 2018Joe Malkin:
I'm sorry. 2019 as a rookie, and BradyMichael Marcangelo:
didn't throw I think he had like 18 catches, anybody can look at it.Joe Malkin:
So I mean, can we say and this isn't to defend Craig or what he says, Can we do we need to put a handicap on the 2020 season? Because he was the number one and he was the only target.Craig D'Alessandro:
No I give him credit for that.Joe Malkin:
Okay, no, I'm saying I don't, I'm not taking away the credit. What I'm saying is could we consider him a second year receiver this year? Whether you want to count 2019 and 2021 or 2020 and 2021. Like I would consider him a second year receiver because while he did play he was thrust into a role last year. that he didn't belong in. Like when you look at the offense now, it is a it's like a it's like Tampa Bay Rays pitching staff. There is no ace. There is no number one. There is no number two. No number three it's just it's an amoeba.Michael Marcangelo:
No, no, my argument right now I'm trying to tell you right now my argument is that there isn't number one and it's it's Jacoby Meyers. Well, sureJoe Malkin:
he was that he was the he had the most amount of receiving yards in the NFL without a touchdown. I mean, that says something because, and I think that's one of the big one of Craig's big crunches is the fact that he didn't have a touchdown. It's not all about touchdowns. It is not it's not all about touchdowns, because if you if you go back and you look at every drive, that Jakobi Meyers caught a pass that caught the team within the red zone. And then they scored a touchdown whether it was a Cam Newton rushing touchdown in 2020, or a 2021 touchdown to Hunter Henry, which Henry is seven now let's see how many drives the play before the touchdown or at least that got them into the red zone was to Jakobi Meyers. That's where my guy I agree that he's the number one because he's the target that gets you into scoring position.Michael Marcangelo:
I don't know how to look that up to argue it, but it sounds like you're very with me. So I'll just I'll just agree with you. So thank you, but like what just i just i Okay, so my last plea. It is Tuesday, November 16 2021. I am trying to give credit the out that I wish I had and had taken all those years ago. I wonder I'm gonna I'm just gonna compare these stats to two years before all the all those years. All those years ago. So 2009 right, gentlemen, 37 catches 359 yards 2010 Seven catches 86 yards 2011 Four catches 34 yards 13 games 15 games 11 games, Jacoby Meyers, with Tom Brady shutting him 26 receptions 350 yards 2020 with Cam Newton now I just want you to remember all the things that we talked about how bad Cam Newton was couldn't throw all that. Jacoby cod six out of every eight passes that man threw that that man threw to him for 730 yards last year, averaged 12.4 yards a catch a catch. And this year in nine games he is already at, I believe he has was it 50 catches for let me just pull up the last number 50 catches for more yards than he did in 15 games 2019. So what you want out of a receiver is you want to see incremental growth every single year. This guy has shown it. He said I guess that 50 catches 483 yards and a touchdown. He's your number one. It's not even. I'm not questioning that. The only question is Craig, will you admit now that he's not just a number three anywhere else? He's actually you know, great if you put him next time I Gavin's sure he's not number one. Sure. He's number one in Cleveland. Hands down. He's better than Jarvis Landry hands down. Jarvis Landry. Is a slot receiver console different. Well, so let's recall the wires if you right, I mean, you could line up teams, and you would say you know what, he's actually the number one. I just think it's not yours. And I understand what you're trying to do with CraigJoe Malkin:
and hell, and we're really going down a rabbit hole here. We're sorry. This is like a ration ad in Bobby and then get Dave talking about soccer. Rabbit Hole, but I get what you're doing. And I agree with you that he's he's number one. I agree with you that he's the number one because he's got 73 targets 50 catches, he catches the balls that are thrown his way. He does that and that's what a number one is supposed to do. Right. Okay, fine. The 2011 patriots with Julian Edelman and his freshman at his freshman year with Julian Edelman is what this is the second or third year he had four receptions in his third year. Here are the wide receivers on the org anyone that's going to catch a ball on that team. Aaron Hernandez Wes Welker, Julian Edelman, Rob Gronkowski, Deion branch, Chad Johnson Tyquan Underwood Matthew Slater like Oh,Michael Marcangelo:
doll dollJoe Malkin:
he's the he was the only oneMichael Marcangelo:
I bought under what I mean the guyJoe Malkin:
was I'm just I'm reading a letter. I'm literally just reading you the guys that caught passes for the Patriots out here. All I'm saying is all I'm saying is while you're right that he's number one he took Julian Edelman a lot longer to get Get to a number one status as Craig mentioned, because there was weapons there already when he got there. They had those guys to catch the balls. They didn't need Julian Edelman to catch 50 passes in 10 years. They need Him. They need Jacoby Meyers to catch up. I'll tell you why. I'll give. I'll give Mike what he wants.Craig D'Alessandro:
He's definitely better than I thought. Oh,Michael Marcangelo:
don't do it. Perfect. Move on. Like give it to you. Yeah. Move on. All right. All right.