Drafting the All-Time Patriots, Bears and Cowboy Rosters!

 Dave Clarke: It's Missing the Point, it's very special. Missing the Point, uh, as the collectively here on the podcast, we're all very upset that the football season's over, so to just juice the teat of, uh, the sport of, of American football a little bit more, I have a, uh, the entire cast of Missing the Point here to do a fun little, uh, draft show.

Dave Clarke: We, across the four of us, myself, Ray Sean Buchanan, Mike Marcangelo, Robert Kelly, we're all here we have three teams that we, that we are fans of in the NFL. I'm a Bears fan, Bobby's a Cowboys fan, and Ray and Mike are Pats fans. I mean, this is a New England centric podcast, so obviously we have more than one of those.

Dave Clarke: But I got all these fucking reprobates together to sort of do an all time draft. See, see who's got the best all time franchise is essentially what we're going for here. So what we're gonna do is we're gonna go through our rosters. 

Dave Clarke: Uh, I did give everybody a list of the positions we're gonna fill and it's It would be too many men on the field, but it wouldn't be a full blown [00:01:00] 53 man roster, which Mike and Ray put together, so I had to have them cut some stuff down.

Dave Clarke: They got really into the game. As Pats fans, we did have a little bit of an issue with them recording some of our lists. Me and Bobby had to, you know, put out some decoy lists to make sure that they didn't know about who we were going to put there ahead of time. but mike was outside my window with a video camera i have to assume that's why i hope i fucking hope that's why but uh you know since we're here all jokes aside i'm gonna i'm gonna go through and i'm gonna tell you who i think the best guy in each position for the chicago bears all time is Mike and Ray as a team because they're Pats fans, they obviously had to stack the deck, there's two of them as a team, they're going to, uh, they're gonna do the same thing, and so is Bobby, and we're gonna, at the end, sort of talk about who's got the best team, we're gonna chat about it as we go we're gonna, you know, delve into football history here, we're gonna, we're, you might learn some stuff along the way there's, There's a lot of, uh, a lot to be said for the [00:02:00] eras gone by, and I do hope that future generations can treat the football we watched as we enter into our middle age with the same respect that I hope we're gonna treat the, uh, the bygone eras of football now. 

Dave Clarke: So, moving right into it. Uh, I'm gonna tell everybody the positions just to start, sort of start this whole thing off. Uh, we are gonna name GMs, head coaches, quarterback, you can name a fullback if you want, you wanna move that out to a secondary tight end, that's fine.

Dave Clarke: Couple of running backs, couple of wide receivers, an offensive line, a defensive line. Linebackers, uh, secondary, cornerbacks, uh, safeties, and we're also gonna do kicker punter and kick and punt return man. So, uh, you'll sort of get it as we go, guys. It's, uh, it's gonna be a lot of fun. It seemed like everybody had a lot of fun building their teams.

Dave Clarke: Is that, is that true? It seems like you guys were having a good time actually building yourselves. It does remind me, I had this book when I was a kid called NFL Greatest, and it was like a picture book sort of [00:03:00] describing all the best players who had ever played in the NFL, and I used it to make an all Madden team and it was a lot of fun, you know, making the guys look like how they're, how they looked, and, and, uh, I feel like that's kind of what we're doing here, you know, as grown, grown adult men.

Dave Clarke: But let's get right into it. 

Dave Clarke: Uh, I'll start off with the Bears. I'm gonna do head coach, uh, head coach, GM, and offense, and then I'll hand it off to one of you guys depending on how it goes, we're just gonna sort of move right, right along, and I'm gonna just, just since I, I put the format of the show together, I'll go first just to sort of show you guys how I, I've envisioned it as far as like time on each position, etc, etc.

Dave Clarke: So, without further ado, my GM is a man named Jim Finks. He, uh, if you don't know who that is, he was also the GM for the Minnesota Vikings, but When he was the GM for the Chicago Bears, he built none other than the 1985 Bears team. Uh, he came in in the 70s, his first act as a GM was to draft a young man as second overall pick behind the Patriots, uh, funny enough.

Dave Clarke: Second overall pick that year, 1975, a young [00:04:00] Walter Payton who will, I, you know, spoiler alert, also be coming up on my list a little bit later. He built the entire 85 Bears, uh, defense, which in my opinion is the best single season defense in the history of the NFL. I'm a little biased, but that is what I think.

Dave Clarke: I think it's the best defense to ever feature in a Super Bowl, that's for sure, Super Bowl XX. And Jim Finks was, uh, he was an emotional guy. He was, uh, he was, he was A wonderful GM. He did rage quit the team because George Halas appointed Mike Ditka as the head coach without talking to him. And, you know, obviously he took Jim Finks team on to, to, uh, do a Super Bowl shuffle and, and, and win a championship against the Patriots by a lot of points.

Dave Clarke: Uh, but Jim Finks, yeah, I think he's our best ever GM. I'm hoping that Ryan pulls, uh, Pipsen and, and builds the current, uh, generation of of, of Chicago Bears. Maybe in his image, but very similar story. He came in with a lackluster Bears team. We hadn't had a winning season in about a decade. And, uh, he went on to build, uh, one of my favorite all time teams.

Dave Clarke: Moving right along, [00:05:00] my head coach might be a little weird. It's gonna be George Hallis. He did everything on the Chicago Bears. I'm sure you guys have heard of him. He's Papa Bear. He's very famous. The, uh, the NFC Championship Trophy is named after him which is fucking ridiculous that the Packers get the Lombardi Trophy and we get the it's just stupid.

Dave Clarke: But, uh, I'm pretty sure Prince Lombardi hit his kids, but whatever. So, the It's a sign of the times. But, uh, George Halas, Papa Bear he was a stud athlete, he was a Rose Bowl MVP, uh, he played right field for the New York Yankees, the guy who replaced him on the New York Yankees was a man named Babe Ruth, uh, little, little fun fact for you there he was the first ever sole owner of the Chicago Bears, uh, he won six championships as the Bears head coach there's only ever been two Bears owners, him and his daughter he definitely wins in the My Dad Could Beat Your Dad Up contest of, My owner is definitely the best athlete that's ever owned a professional, uh, sports team.

Dave Clarke: Uh, well, I guess Michael Jordan did own a team, so let's just say NFL. But yeah, he was the Rose Bowl MVP. He's in the Rose Bowl Hall of Fame. He's in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Papa [00:06:00] Bear, George Halas. Uh, he's, he's, he's a big deal, uh, if you're, if you're a Chicago Bears fan, and he's our head coach because he had winning seasons every single time he coached the Bears.

Dave Clarke: So, and he also held the record for longest ever Fumble recovery for a touchdown for 40 years, 49 years, uh, when he returned a 98 yard fumble for a touchdown when he was playing defensive end, so that's fun. Uh, my QB, you guys had speculation on who my QB was going to be, uh, Ray seemed convinced it was going to be the, the, the one eyed man, the king, uh, Jim McMahon, no.

Dave Clarke: I think, Mike, you said possibly Jay Cutler, and I think he does hold a lot of Bears records for, for passing, but no, it is gonna be, uh, young Sid Luckman, uh, the, the greatest, uh, quarterback of the 1940s as we're errorless here, I mean, you can laugh, you can laugh. What is his stats? Let me tell you his stats.

Dave Clarke: It's 

Michael Marcangelo: just a delivery. It's just a delivery. Yeah, no, 

Rayshawn Buchanan: it's great. 

Dave Clarke: I love it. I love it. Uh, Sid Luckman, in an era where, you know, they didn't really throw the ball, holds [00:07:00] the number one touchdown percentage, still to this day, uh, passes thrown that were touchdowns. Uh, 7. 9 percent of his passes were touchdowns.

Dave Clarke: For relevance, Patrick Mahomes is about 6. 1%. So, yeah, they passed the ball a lot more, but he threw a shitload of fucking TDs. He was NFL MVP one year and he is tied with like six other guys, I think, for, uh, most TDs in a single game when he threw seven touchdowns. So, Sid Luckman, one of the best to ever do it.

Dave Clarke: Uh, yeah, was he, did he have a leather helmet? But, uh, but, you know, we gotta respect those bygone eras, I have to say. I love the guy. I was really enjoying, uh Watching his highlights, uh, as we, well, you know, hearing tell of his highlights, really. So, moving right along, I am, I don't know if you guys, just to spoil a little bit ahead, are you guys gonna play fullbacks?

Dave Clarke: You guys have a fullback on your team? No. Oh, you don't have a fullback? Alright, Bobby's got a fullback, love it. I'm gonna put Bronco Nagurski in my team because he's a three time NFL champion, four time first team All Pro, [00:08:00] NFL rushing touchdowns leader for the 1932 season. His number is retired by the Chicago Bears.

Dave Clarke: He's one of the, he was a consensus All American in 29. First team all Big Ten when he was, uh, when he was in college. He rushed for 2, 778 yards, had 25 rushing touchdowns, 11 receiving touchdowns. Yes, it was a long time, but man, if you took Bronco Nagurski's picture and showed it to the world They would tell you that man played fullback in the National Football League.

Dave Clarke: He was, uh, you know, he was, time in the era where if you were playing fullback, you were also playing linebacker, like it was high school or something, but uh, Bronco Nagurski is going to be my fullback, he's going to do a lot of blocking, he's 6'2 230, he's going to do some good blocks for me obviously arrow relevant, but he's also able to run the ball.

Dave Clarke: He's, he's a traditional fullback in every way, and he adds to the theme of what I was going for with this team, which is grit. Uh, toughness and, and, and things of that ilk and, you know, it's gonna be a lot of rubbin [00:09:00] dirt in it, and fuckin spittin on the floor and runnin it out, and I think my team's gonna be really hard to play when it, when it comes to, uh, when it comes to toughness, because I have the likes of fullback.

Dave Clarke: My running back one, this might surprise a lot of people, or it might not, it's Walter Payton. Obviously, he's the greatest bearer of all time, uh, not a ton needs to be said about him, I think he's I think he's the best running back to ever play the game. I think that people could maybe disagree with me there, but I think you'd have a hard time not putting him top five.

Dave Clarke: Obviously, his life was tragically cut short and his, you know, his career wasn't even really that long, uh, in, in retrospect, but again, running backs don't really Play for that long in the NFL due to, due to the wear and tear on their bodies, but it is a tragic story. There's an award named after him.

Dave Clarke: I think he's the best bear to ever play the game. I think he's consensus best ever bear. I, it's, I've never met someone who has a bad word to say about him that watched him play, uh, or, or knew the kind of guy he was. Uh, his kid seems like a cool guy. He's always around the man of the weird, uh, man of the year award stuff, [00:10:00] and, there's nothing I can say about Walter Payton that hasn't already been said, so, everybody knows who he is, he's my running back one, my ground game's gonna be fucking lethal, especially with, uh, old city Luckman handing the ball off, we're gonna give him a real uniform, so don't worry about that, uh, gonna give him a real helmet, maybe one of the revolution helmets, who knows, it'll fuck with him we're gonna have to tell him about civil rights, so that's gonna be tough, but, Once we get him past that, once we get him past that, he's gonna play some great, uh, he's gonna, he's gonna play some great football with the Walter Paytons.

Dave Clarke: There is a lot more black guys on his team than he was used to. I have to put that out there. 

Bob Kelly: Probably than he's ever met in his life. Probably than he's ever met. Yeah, 

Dave Clarke: yeah, yeah, yeah. We have to share a locker room. There's like a lot going on. So we have to talk through some stuff. But, I think we can get him up to speed.

Dave Clarke: I'd like to believe that he'll 

Bob Kelly: get along great with Jerry Jobs. 

Dave Clarke: Well, you know, I don't know, Bobby, you kept fading out, but when I was talking about my head coach, Papa Bear George Halas, he was playing right field for the Yankees when your owner was fucking, you know, yelling at little black girls just [00:11:00] trying to go to school, so.

Dave Clarke: I'm already, I'm already a little ahead of you. Uh, I didn't expect this show to go down this road, but like, here are the I did. 

Bob Kelly: You brought it there, bro. You brought it there. 

Dave Clarke: Oh my god. My RB2, just to, uh, just to, um, you know, add a little spice into it, a different playstyle. It's gonna be Gail Sayers. Uh, you know, I I I wonder if at this point you guys are even surprised how good the team is so far, you know?

Dave Clarke: I mean, I'm sure you you were looking at the Chicago Bears saying, I don't know, who's he gonna play at QB? Is it gonna be one eyed Jim? Is it gonna be Flogan? J. A. Culler? No, Sid Luckman! Sid Luckman, and an amazing backfield. And as and as the second running back, the man featured in the greatest movie ever made.

Dave Clarke: About football players. That's Brian's. That's a stretch. That's a stretch. You don't think Brian's song is the best movie ever made that made, that makes me think you haven't seen it. Have you seen it? Now's where you haven't seen it. Why don't you go fucking watch Brian's song [00:12:00] and then come back to me in tears still weeping openly.

Dave Clarke: And tell me what's the greatest football movie ever made, because it sure as shit doesn't fucking remember the Titans. Um, although, you know, that's a good one. No, 

Bob Kelly: Shane Falco, come on. We just talked about civil rights 

Dave Clarke: today! Well, remember the Titans hardly fucking solved racism, right? I mean, jeez.

Dave Clarke: But yeah, I mean, Lion Song aside, Gale Sayers NFL Comeback Player of the Year in 69, Offensive Rookie of the Year in 65, 5 time first team All Pro, 4 time Pro Bowl, led the league in rushing guards twice, uh, scoring leader once 1960s All Decade, I, the list goes on. Consensus All American when he played in Kansas, he's, he's, he's that, he's that dude.

Dave Clarke: And I think my backfield's absolutely fucking stacked so far. I'm gonna tell you who my tight end is. You might have been surprised he wasn't the head coach, because the man is in the Hall of Fame two times. Once as a head coach, Coach Ditka, and once as a tight end, because he was also fucking [00:13:00] savage at playing football.

Dave Clarke: And if we're talking about rubbing dirt in it, and fucking pissing vinegar, and the toughest team we're gonna talk about today, in this Weird hypothetical that I thought up. I'm winning the toughness award with Mike Ditka. I just fucking am. The guy is gonna be an on the on the field leader. He's obviously one of my captains.

Dave Clarke: He's got a great football brain. And again, another guy that, nothing that hasn't been said can be said here. And he's still going strong. Fuck, they might put him in the Hall of Fame as an announcer at this point. He might, he might do the, uh, he might do the full trifecta. He might do the Tommy and just get in for three different reasons.

Dave Clarke: The man basically has his own Office chair in the Hall of Fame, and it's fuckin Mike Ditkin, I won't hear a bad word about him. Greatest mustache in the history of the sport? Here we are, great tight end. Let's see, this might surprise some people, I'm going super modern. Again, he might have a little trouble hookin up with Sid Luckman, but DJ Moore is actually gonna be my, uh, wide receiver.

Dave Clarke: I really want a playmaker on this team, because [00:14:00] obviously with the backfield that I have and, you know, some of the other offensive players you've heard about already, uh, I, we're, we're, we're, we're working on the ground here, we're not, we're not an air raid team, we're, we're, we're the Chicago Bears, we're gonna run the ball better than everybody else, and we're gonna stop the run better than everybody else, and that's how we win, that's how we win games, and that's how we win titles.

Dave Clarke: But DJ Moore, I think, uh, yeah, all you gotta do is dump the ball off to him and he'll make a play. Uh, he might not be the best deep threat in the world due to his, due to his stature, but we're moving within the, we're moving within the sticks here. That's, that's how this team's playing. And I think DJ fits right in.

Dave Clarke: We're gonna need an option if we wanna go long, and we're gonna need a guy who's gonna be physical. I know some of the secondary guys you're, you guys are gonna bring up are gonna have trouble covering Brandon Marshall. We talked about it a little bit before we got on the show. Uh, an advocate for mental health a guy that did, like you said, Mike, uh, went and got help when, when his, his brain was going frizzy on him, and I think one of the, as far as bottled talent goes, one of the most full bottles of talent that I've ever seen, a [00:15:00] physical fucking specimen, and caught some passes from Jay Cutler that frankly had no business being thrown, so, uh, I do love me some, uh, I do love me some Brandon Marshall I'm gonna power through my offensive line because I love the guys, And it is, again, on the theme of toughness, grit, and running plays.

Dave Clarke: We're gonna move a lot on the on the ground. We do have options, but we're gonna have to push the ball. We're playing trench warfare here in in the Bears all time team. So I'm just gonna power right through so we can get through to everybody. Not that I don't have a ton of respect for the offensive line, they're obviously very, uh, very important, but they are unsung heroes, so they're gonna be used to this.

Dave Clarke: Left guard's gonna be Mark Bortz. Left tackle's gonna be Jimbo Covert. He's a Hall of Famer. Center's gonna be Olin Kruitz, who you guys might remember. He played for the Bears for about 15 years. I think he was the best center in the league for about four of those years. Uh, and he's a, he, I think should get into the Hall of Fame, but as we all know, centers don't really feature in that, uh, all that often.

Dave Clarke: It's, it's tough to get in. Let's see, my right tackle's gonna be Keith Van Horn, not to be confused with [00:16:00] the NBA player. There's an E at the end, much like my name. And, uh, Revy Suri is gonna be my right guard. It's really a trench warfare team. Uh, we're moving it really, really well on the ground. And that's my offense.

Dave Clarke: That's my offense. My GM and my head coach. It's really, I'm gonna kind of encourage the team as the owner. I'm gonna encourage the team to play dirty. Uh, there's gonna be thumbs and eyes. There's, there's gonna be, uh, there's gonna be a lot of shit talking. And I wanna make sure that if we don't win a game, although I don't really wanna introduce that, if we don't win a game, half your fucking team is gonna be real, real banged up on the way home.

Dave Clarke: And when I tell you about my defense, guys, when I tell you about my defense, this offense is out there. To supplement my defense, right? We are gonna move on to another team before we, we talk about the, the all-Time Bears defense. But I'm gonna have trouble believing that you guys have a better all time defense than I do.

Dave Clarke: But we'll see. What will happen though is I, I want you, if you're coming to play my Bears team, that your physio room, your, your, your healthcare providers bring a lot of bandages and you [00:17:00] might wanna bring a psychiatrist because quite frankly, you're gonna be upset leaving. I mean, even Sid Lockman's opinions alone are gonna probably fucking upset you on the, on the way out.

Dave Clarke: We're gonna play dirty, we're gonna play mean, uh, and we're gonna move the fuckin ball on you because we're the Chicago Bears, baby! 

Bob Kelly: Yeah! We're the 

Dave Clarke: fuckin Chicago Bears, son! Uh, the Monsters of the Midway. George Hallis coached a team that beat the Washington Redskins, and yes, they were still called the Redskins back then, we're gonna have to talk to Luckman about that, too.

Dave Clarke: He beat the Washington Redskins 73 0 in 1940, and that team was known as the Monsters of the Midway. I think we might have a little repeat on our hands. The monsters of the midway are coming for you, boys. The New England Patriots, I would love to hear about your offense, and I think I can guess who's playing QB.

Dave Clarke: Okay, 

Michael Marcangelo: so our head coach, obviously, Bill Belichick. Your GM, Bill Belichick. Yeah. No, no. No, fuck no. 

Dave Clarke: If they made Bill Belichick the GM, all the players would just be like third round picks Just wide receivers. 

Bob Kelly: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All [00:18:00] the line receivers just fall from the list. 

Michael Marcangelo: We've, uh, we've talked at nauseam about the, uh, about Bill Belichick on this pod.

Michael Marcangelo: So, uh, the GM is gonna be Bill Parcells. Bill Parcells was not the GM for a very long time, but I just wanted to give you guys a recap of his draft picks from 93, 94, 95, 96. 93, first overall pick, Drew Bledsoe. Eighth round, Troy Brown, 94 draft, William McGinnis, 95 draft, Ty Law, Curtis Martin, 96, Terry Glenn, Laurie Malloy, Teddy Bierschke.

Michael Marcangelo: Some of those players 

Dave Clarke: you will hear later. So he built the first ever great pageant that you saw in your lifetime, the entire world. Can Bill work under him? Can Bill work under him again after all this time, now that he's Bill Belichick though, you know? 

Michael Marcangelo: Yeah, I think, I think he can, because, you know, they, 

Dave Clarke: they think, hypothetical, Mike, so I fuckin hope so.

Dave Clarke: It's, it's our 

Michael Marcangelo: hypothetical. Uh, for offense, obviously, quarterback, the GOAT, Tom Brady. I don't think we need to talk anything more besides the fact that he won six Super Bowls with us, went to [00:19:00] nine. Super Bowls with us, uh, and set at the time, the single season record for touchdowns in 2007. Our RB1, Curtis Martin.

Michael Marcangelo: Curtis Martin is a forgotten about patriot, I would, I would say, uh, you know, especially all these, all these young kids, they don't know what he did. In three seasons with us, he rushed 3, 800 yards, uh, scored 37 touchdowns and averaged 4. 3 yards per carry back in, in the mid nineties. When defense was the focal point, this guy was electric.

Michael Marcangelo: He was one of the top five running backs in the league for all the years that he played, but especially for his first three here with New England. 

Dave Clarke: I'm surprised it wasn't Corey Dillon, I'll be honest with you. Our 

Michael Marcangelo: RB2 is Corey Dillon. Obviously, for all the things that he did in that 2004 season, breaking all of Curtis Martin's records, he was He 

Dave Clarke: broke all of the man's records and he still has to play behind him.

Dave Clarke: [00:20:00] That's what you're telling me. No, no Robert, 

Bob Kelly: no Robert Edwards, guys. No Robert Edwards. No. 

Rayshawn Buchanan: It's Horace ACL on a fucking beach. No way. 

Bob Kelly: On a beach game? Come on. 

Michael Marcangelo: Uh, wide receiver one, Randy Moss. If for no other reason than for the 2007 season when he broke Jerry Rice's all time, uh, record for most touchdowns.

Michael Marcangelo: Pretty good. You think about, just thinking about this, he was here for three seasons, three full seasons and then four other games. He caught 260 passes for almost 4, 000 yards and 50 touchdowns. 

Dave Clarke: And he's got the guy throwing to him that he did that with. So that's something. Can I ask you, and this isn't part of the game but I'm just curious, if you had to pick a year to have Tom Brady be your QB, like which Brady year would you pick?

Dave Clarke: Uh, that's 

Michael Marcangelo: a great question. It's honestly, it's between 2010 or 

Dave Clarke: 2007 for me. I was gonna say, like if it were me, like I think his best every year was [00:21:00] 2007. Right. But what, like that had a lot to do with Moss, but Moss is on the fucking team, so it's fine. Right. 

Bob Kelly: 2007, Brady was a man on a mission though. Yeah.

Bob Kelly: That dude, that dude was something else. 

Michael Marcangelo: Yeah. Yeah. But 2010 Brady won. I think he, he won League MVP that year, throwing two, basically just West Walker. Do you think that was the first year of growing? What do you 

Dave Clarke: think was the year where he had the most? Like, experience, and his arm hadn't fallen off at all yet, like he could still throw the deep ball, because like, that Falcons Super Bowl, he was still, like he still had an arm, like he didn't, he didn't resort to like strictly check downs, you know, or like 20 yard or less plays.

Dave Clarke: I think, and that's like his most experienced. year, right? That's why he's able to make that comeback, because he knows the game so well by that point, right? So, even, 

Rayshawn Buchanan: even, even with the Seattle Super Bowl, too, like, he was 

Dave Clarke: amazing. I mean, you guys, you guys got handed that one. 

Rayshawn Buchanan: But to be down ten, though? And the fourth, with that defense, who had just beat Peyton Manning 43 8 the year before and I, and I was like, that wasn't going to happen against us.

Rayshawn Buchanan: Like, they [00:22:00] may beat us, but we're not going to get beat by third. That's not happening. So he, you know, he came in there, you know, gets to 10 in the fourth. Obviously, yes, you know, Pete Carroll, thank you. You're a legend in New England, just for that alone. Uh, so we appreciate you. I will also 

Dave Clarke: say, we've talked about that Super Bowl a lot.

Dave Clarke: Belichick did put out the goal line defense in that moment, and he did fuck with Pete Carroll. I just was watching a doc about this recently, and he did put out the goal line defense and fuck with Pete Carroll's, like, play calling, and, like, it wasn't, like, the smartest thing in the world to do, like, you could've just given it to Marshawn Lynch, like, obviously everybody knows that, but That goal line defense, and like, they had run, they had run rehearsals on that play, like, in practice, so, you know, I, I will say, like, he deserves more credit than maybe he gets for winning that game, but anyway, sorry to have derailed it, I was just curious.

Michael Marcangelo: Uh, so wide receiver two, Julian Edelman. Uh, I think when you talk about, uh, all time clutch performances, uh, by New England Patriot Wide Receivers, it's Jules. Uh, and, you know, for that, uh, Atlanta Falcons comeback, that, that should not have been caught. Like, he was draped by, by [00:23:00] three defenders, still caught it.

Michael Marcangelo: Every big game from 2013 until he retired that we were ever in, he had the biggest catch. And he could do everything. He could go, he could go over the middle. So, you got Moss taking the top off the defense. You got Edelman over the middle. Uh, and because we. Did not, uh, choose a fullback. We picked the two greatest blocking tight ends and receiving tight ends in Patriot history.

Michael Marcangelo: So, uh, it's not, it's not gonna be a murderer's road, don't worry, TK. 

Dave Clarke: I'm gonna say. 

Michael Marcangelo: Tight end one, uh, is obviously Gronk. I mean, Rob Gronkowski, everyone, you know, Travis Kelce is a great tight end. I 

Dave Clarke: still think he's the best tight end of all time. 

Michael Marcangelo: Like you said before, like, in his prime, Gronk was a cheat code.

Michael Marcangelo: You just could not stop him. He was one of the, like I said, one of the best blocking tight ends. Uh, and then his Predecessor, Ben Coates. Ben Coates, like that, that connection from Ben Coates and Drew Bledsoe back in the early 90s, or in the mid 90s, was [00:24:00] electric then. Can you imagine what it would be like if Tom Brady's now throwing him the ball, and not some, you know, I used to love Drew.

Michael Marcangelo: But Drew just stood in the pocket and got hit. All the time. That's all he did was get sacked. Now you got Brady who has probably the best pocket awareness, 

Dave Clarke: uh, in the history. Plus you want to arm Brady with tight ends, you know, like the man knows how to arm tight ends. Can I ask you a couple questions?

Dave Clarke: And these aren't criticisms, I'm just curious as to your thought processes, like, as you were making the team. Was Wes, was Wes Welker considered? over Julian Edelman, or was Julian Edelman always going to be a wide receiver one? Okay. And was Deion Branch considered as a wide receiver three before you took a second tight end?

Rayshawn Buchanan: So, for me, yes because obviously Branch was also clutch in the postseason for us. And he's had, he's had been, you know, big moments, even with his second stint here in New England, he did really well. He clearly was a Brady guy, like Brady loved him, but he took less money at some point. Uh, just to keep playing with Deion Branch, but then Deion Branch got dealt to, uh, Seattle.

Rayshawn Buchanan: So yeah, he was, he was in. Uh, [00:25:00] recognition, but like I said, what Julian Ellermann did in the postseason you know, it's not really rivaled by many in this organization. We did have an honorable mention at tight end. We went, we went to the old school with Russ Francis. Someone, he was excellent in that time with Jim Plunkett.

Rayshawn Buchanan: And, you know, uh, but he just, he wasn't better than, you know, Copes or 

Dave Clarke: Did Dante Stallworth come up at all? 

Michael Marcangelo: Wide receiver. No, no, no, no. Stop that. No, he, he was, he 

Rayshawn Buchanan: was 

Dave Clarke: good here. But no, he wasn't someone that, I mean, he was really fucking talented. No, he on, he was not. For the pat, not on the pass. Not on the pats.

Dave Clarke: I get that. And that was one of the rules. But I mean, I, I would've, I would've thought he might've come up even fleetingly in conversation. But 

Rayshawn Buchanan: would, would you 

Dave Clarke: have put him above branch though? No. No. I, I mean my, from what I, from what I watched 

Bob Kelly: You got branch, you still got givens that you could have put on that list too.

Bob Kelly: Yeah. Yeah. Patton. 

Rayshawn Buchanan: Right. So yeah, so it's like, you know, once again, you know, I mean, once again, I mean, if, if, if Dave let us keep the 53 man roster, 

Dave Clarke: sure. I know, I mean, we all got stuff to do. [00:26:00] You 

Rayshawn Buchanan: know, so we would've been fine, but, 

Bob Kelly: you know, I don't even pick the full 53 in Madden, bro. I sim after, like, down 41.

Bob Kelly: You know what I mean? Come on, like 

Dave Clarke: Oh, I make the full 53 in Madden. I'm, like, real concerned about my longstaff. Snapper. When I'm playing Madden, I'm like, fuck that, dude. I'm not trying to fuck anything up. But yeah. I mean, I was just curious. Like, obviously, you know, we all grew up in New England. I wasn't a Pats fan, but I watched a lot of these guys play.

Dave Clarke: So as I was, as I was making my team, I was thinking about how, how it was going to go with your team. And I thought wide receiver might be a place coming into the show. I mean, I guess now that you've said it, it does make sense why the guys are there that are there. But I thought wide receiver might've been a place where you might've had, you know, a couple of guys in your heart that you really wanted to put in there.

Dave Clarke: It might've been some points of contention. But. Why didn't Aaron Hernandez make the, uh, tight end spot? I mean, he probably, he might have been your second best, second best ever tight end. I'm sorry if you killed 

Rayshawn Buchanan: that, Tyler. I mean, had, had, no, but I mean, yeah, had, had he played, obviously, like, yeah, he absolutely would have been that, but, [00:27:00] you know, obviously, it didn't turn out that way you know, for him, so, but yeah, that's crazy, but yeah, keep going, Mike.

Rayshawn Buchanan: Also, 

Michael Marcangelo: given what we expected to go up against, uh, uh, by each of your squads defense, I think we put together the best offensive line that we could. Ever put together, uh, I ran the calculations myself by doing the best year that they each had and sacks that they each allowed in that season. This offensive line would allow four sacks total.

Michael Marcangelo: So at right guard, we have John Hanna. At right tackle, we have Matt Light. At center, we have Dan Kopin. Left guard, Logan Mankins. And left tackle, Bruce Armstrong. You're, you're just not getting through that, that line. 

Dave Clarke: Well, my defense is getting through that line. I think that's, to me, you just, to me, you just, you just named the menu for my, uh, defensive line.

Dave Clarke: What they're gonna fucking eat that day. But like, that's fine. I mean, all good. I, I actually, there is no team whose offensive, great offensive linemen's over the course of, uh, of, of the time I spent watching them. We're better than the New England [00:28:00] Patriots. In fact, before Brady went on to win seven total, one of the things you could kind of lay at him for a few years when he had one or two was, I mean, a dude always has ten fucking minutes in the pocket, right?

Dave Clarke: Uh, I think it, I think a big part of the reason he was able to develop into the quarterback he was is because of the protection that he had. It was very strange to watch Mac Jones have zero fucking protection, uh, in the pocket when it seemed to me like Bill Belichick. was a, a proponent of giving his young QBs time maybe not Drew Bledsoe, like you said, uh, the reason, you know, him getting sacked is the reason you had the best QB of all time play for your team, but that being said, yeah, I definitely, totally agree that that is a fuckin stacked offensive line, and I really can't wait for my defensive line to murder them, anyway, sorry, go on.

Dave Clarke: That's all, that's all we got. Oh yeah, right, sorry, I forgot you wanted to do anything else. Bobby's turn. 

Dave Clarke: The 

Bob Kelly: 0 1 through a 0 4, the 0 1 through a 0 4 stretch for that 0 1 was, They were so fucking 

Dave Clarke: good. Matt Light, I mean, I think, you know, the, Mike's line, that's Bill [00:29:00] Belichick's line, is, you miss 100 percent of the shots you don't take, Wayne Gretzky, Michael Scott.

Dave Clarke: But you always say, uh, you always say your best ability is your, is your availability. I think Matt Light was just always there for that, for that stretch, right? Like he just, he just played so many games in a position where you do get beat up. Like consistently, consistently beat up, so. And, 

Bob Kelly: and 

Rayshawn Buchanan: Logan Makin's had the greatest return of any lineman ever.

Dave Clarke: That's something to look at, yeah. I think, I think Bill had a lot of respect for the, for the line, for, for O linemen. You know, I, I think that he, he sort of built his teams, again, up until recently, for whatever fucking reason, but he, he always built his teams around the fact that he was going to get protection for his quarterback, and he was going to be able to push, push the trenches, uh, with his running backs, but I'm really excited to see, uh, the Cowboys, Bob, because I was obviously thinking about uh, what your team was gonna look like apparently before you talked to Mike and he told you like not to just put CD Lamb on there, but uh, I thank God you guys spoke, but uh, but yeah, you are, you are a Dallas Cowboys fan and, [00:30:00] and there was eras.

Dave Clarke: Where the Cowboys weren't Barnum Bailey's fuckin Ringling Circus. They were actually a legitimate, uh, franchise that played decent football. Believe it or not, our younger listeners. So, uh, in, that being said, I was starting to think about Cowboys that could, that could possibly litter your offense. And you, you could build a pretty stacked fuckin team.

Dave Clarke: And, luckily for you, you don't have to talk to your quarterback about race relations in America. So, hit us with your GM head coach and your entire offense. If you please. 

Bob Kelly: Absolutely. Uh, so starting out GM I, I think, uh, probably one of the more underrated GMs of the Cowboys era, maybe all time, is my guy, Jimmy Johnson.

Bob Kelly: Uh, I, I really thought about putting him as head coach. I thought you were gonna put him as head coach. But he is the, but he is the architect of that early 90s team. He started out with that Hershel Walker trade, the most lopsided trade in maybe sports history. So I feel like that automatically puts him as that top GM for me.

Bob Kelly: The other obvious choice [00:31:00] was. Fuckin Jerry Jones, so, let's be real here. Head coach, maybe, you know, top five head coach of all time was the only coach of the Cowboys until Jimmy Johnson took the team over. And that is Mr. Cowboy. Tom Landry with, with, with his nice fancy hat on the sideline. So Landry's going to be roaming the sidelines for us.

Bob Kelly: All time great, 

Dave Clarke: all time great joke is King of the Hill, the school that Bobby Hill goes to is Tom Landry Middle School. All time great joke. Yeah, oh 

Bob Kelly: yeah, oh yeah, top notch. Quarterback, guys. I had a tough decision here, okay? He's gonna 

Dave Clarke: say Aikman, and we're gonna fuckin savage him for it, that's what's gonna happen here.

Bob Kelly: Listen, listen. So it obviously is between Roger Staubach and Troy Aikman. Those are my two guys I'm choosing between. The reason I want to lean towards Aikman over Staubach is because of the type of offense that I'm going to be running. I just don't know if Staubach can, can adapt. [00:32:00] To the wide receiver talent and to the air raid offense that I plan on putting in you know, I know Aikman necessarily didn't have that type of offense either, but I think he's more capable of being able to run this offense that we're gonna have, so I am gonna go Troy Aikman over Roger Staubach.

Bob Kelly: I originally did have Staubach here, but I was sitting here and I was like, man, I just think Aikman, Aikman can run this offense a little better because 

Dave Clarke: I'm only carrying If you got Jimmy Johnson in there, like, you know, they're old friends. You know, you want to keep the band together, right? Right, exactly.

Dave Clarke: Exactly. 

Bob Kelly: And so, the reason, though, is because I'm only carrying one running back. And that is the all time leading rusher in the NFL, Emmitt Smith. I am leaving Tony Dorsett off, unfortunately, and there is a good reason for that. I'll get to that once we get to wide receivers. Then we have our fullback.

Bob Kelly: The Moose, Daryl Johnson, leading the way for Mr. Emmitt Smith. When we do decide to run, [00:33:00] we are going to have a power run game with the greatest, maybe the greatest fullback of all time, lead blocking for maybe one of the greatest running backs of all time. Then, our wide receivers, guys, we're going with the 88 club, up and down the board.

Bob Kelly: So we have Michael Irvin, CeeDee Lamb. And Drew Pearson. All three of them, running three wide receivers all day. Wait, 

Dave Clarke: wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait, I gotta poke a giant hole in this. Who gets the jersey? 

Bob Kelly: They all wear it, bro. They're all wearing 88s across the board. 

Dave Clarke: Your team's already stupid.

Dave Clarke: You got three guys wearing the same jerseys. All three of them, baby. 88 club, come on. This is an all time 

Bob Kelly: Cowboys. We can't, we can't change the 

Dave Clarke: 88 club, bro. I mean, you got three guys in the same jersey. It's gotta be the OG though. Your fucking equipment manager's like, what are you talking about right now?

Dave Clarke: Who's your equipment manager, by the way? Did you pick one? All right, sorry, go on. 88s 

Bob Kelly: across the board, baby. 

Bob Kelly: 88s. I can't think of a secondary that's going to be able to stop them. We have legitimately two already Hall of Fame [00:34:00] wide receivers. 

Dave Clarke: I thankfully did think of a secondary that's going to be able to stop them.

Dave Clarke: They're on my list right now. It's going to be great. I did it for you. It's no problem. 

Bob Kelly: We'll see because even when it does get to a third down and five or six. We got Mr. Reliable, Jayson Whitten, who always picks up that first down for us, every single time, as our tight end. Alright, so we got the 88 club, and then we got Mr.

Bob Kelly: Reliable as, as our tight end, getting all the first downs, bro. 

Bob Kelly: Offensive line, we have maybe a combo of two of the best offensive lines that football's ever seen. So, our left tackle, Tyron Smith. Who is just an all pro, literally since I pretty much started watching the Cowboys. Our right tackle, throwing it back to the 90s, Mark Tooney.

Bob Kelly: Left guard, Larry Allen, again throwing it back to the 90s. Great player, I love Larry Allen. Right guard, Zach Martin. And then center, maybe one of the best centers of all time, Travis Frederick. Yeah, your offense sucks dude. I don't [00:35:00] know how you guys are going to be able to stop this 

Dave Clarke: I really do like so far about hearing about the three offenses.

Dave Clarke: I really like that we have. The beginning, middle, and end, right? We have, we have the, the three bears of, of offenses. I'm running the fuck out of the ball, right? I'm playing smash mouth football. Uh, Mike and Ray are playing sort of the pa the traditional Patriots check down, ten yard passes, like, death by a thousand cuts sort of offense, and Bobby is throwing to the end zone every single fucking play.

Dave Clarke: So, um, I really like that. I really enjoy it. 

Dave Clarke: I think it's a really cool rock, paper, scissors that it, it illustrates the thing I was kind of trying to go for for this And I do hope we turn this into a series where we, we, we've done our favorite teams now and we can go on and keep playing this game where we pick a different franchise and build all time teams out of it.

Dave Clarke: Oh yeah, let's do it. Yeah, we sort of look back and, you know, it's hard to do, it's easy to do your own team in certain ways because, you know, you obviously watched a lot of these guys play, but it's hard in the [00:36:00] sense of like, you can't be as ruthless and as cutthroat about it. And I had, especially on the defensive side of the ball, I just had a tough time not putting all my favorite guys in.

Dave Clarke: Even if they weren't necessarily the best, but the, uh, what's really cool about, I think, these three offenses is there is a really sweet rock, paper, scissors element to it, and once we hear about the defenses, maybe we can talk about, like, what the matchups will look like when, you know, when we put these players on the field against each other, but I think, I think it's really cool to see essentially the DNA of the offense.

Dave Clarke: Yeah. 

Dave Clarke: of the Patriots, the DNA of the Bears, and the DNA of the Cowboys sort of laid bare for us because if you want your team to be good now, I think you have to play the way your franchise is built. I don't think you can change your franchise identity if you're a fan of The Chicago Bears, the Dallas Cowboys, the New England Patriots.

Dave Clarke: Now, if, you know, we do this again and one of us has to pick the Arizona Cardinals, it's like, you can change your identity, don't worry. You haven't fucking found one yet. Like, I think that will be revealed. I think if we do, like, an all time Arizona Cardinals, you'll be like, oh, Jesus Christ, like, they don't [00:37:00] really have any sort of franchise, like, kind of, you know, moxie, right?

Dave Clarke: And I think that's a really cool thing that I thought would be revealed when we did this show, and, and it kind of has been so far. 

Dave Clarke: Not so much on the offensive side of the ball for the Bears, but now that we're moving on to the defensive side of the ball for the Bears, I've got a fucking lovely set of players to name you guys.

Dave Clarke: They really are just, ah, they're just such a great crew of fucking motherfuckers, I swear. Got really excited about this part of the whole thing, so. I'm going to play the 46 defense. It's going to be a little bit of like, um, like, uh, an edited 46 defense in order to keep up with the sort of modern football that you guys are going to be playing against me.

Dave Clarke: I'm only going to play one D tackle. 

Dave Clarke: Um, and that's because all my linebackers are so fucking fast and efficient that I don't necessarily need to stop the run, uh, on the line of scrimmage. So, Richard Dent, Paul O'Famer, very famous, don't know if you guys have heard of him, but Richard Dent is my, uh, is my defensive tackle.

Dave Clarke: He's gonna be stopping the run, [00:38:00] he's also a re he was a D end. Uh, but I'm gonna play him at nose tackle because he, uh, was super fucking fast, and my game is all gonna be about pressuring the quarterback. I'm just gonna bring insane pressure on the quarterback every single time. Now, the rock to my scissors might be how good the Patriots offensive line is.

Dave Clarke: We'll have to see when I build these three teams out in Madden and do Sims. But the the, the Richard Dent of it all, I had too many good edge rushers. I, I couldn't choose from all the, all my edge rushers. Richard Dent is high up on the list of all time bears, and I needed to get him in there. So he's gonna be my, my D tackle.

Dave Clarke: Julius Peppers and Khalil Mack are gonna be my edge rushers, which I, I have to say, like, good fucking luck, guys. Like, I don't, I, I, I genuinely think that we should bring the police to the stadium, because murder chargers might actually come up, and nobody wants to see Brady die. We might be cool with seeing Troy Aikman, but you know, nobody wants to see Tom Brady die.

Dave Clarke: I mean, he's the goddamn GOAT. And I don't know, I mean, it depends on what era's rules we're playing here, but uh, they're gonna try to hit him low. So, 

Bob Kelly: I mean, Troy Aikman, Troy [00:39:00] Aikman was the, Troy Aikman was the 90s version of Tua, by the way. So, he makes it out 

Dave Clarke: alive. 

Dave Clarke: It's, it's, you know, your offensive line is good, it's not as good as their offensive line, so I'm feeling pretty good coming after the Cowboys QB right now and it's not as if Troy Aikman was ever that mobile, so, at least not against guys like that, so, uh, I'm really excited for my edge rushers, but I'm even more excited for my linebackers, god damn, this is some fucking core linebackers, this I'm gonna play two middle linebackers, and those two guys are gonna be none other than, I mean, you guessed one, Brian Urlacher.

Dave Clarke: My all time favorite bear. I think the best coverage linebacker in the history of the sport. He's a Hall of Famer, as of recently, but he played fairly recently. He, he was first ballot. You guys seem to think I give a fuck about who he votes for. I don't. He's still my all time favorite bear. Don't give a shit what he feels about fuckin vaccines.

Dave Clarke: Saw the man deliver some of my most fuckin famous hits. Loved him. Scored a lot of touchdowns for the Bears, uh, believe it or not. He, he scored, he scored a receiving touchdown on a quick play. Uh, [00:40:00] passed from my punter, who's also on my all time team right here. And, uh, he was fuckin unbelievable. I mean, he was a great tackler, he had everything.

Dave Clarke: He was a 99 in Madden pretty much every single year that he played. He was defensive rookie of the year when he got drafted. He he was unbelievable. I mean, he, he was in the conversation every single year. Uh, with Ray Lewis as the two best middle linebackers in the sport. So, I think it goes without saying that Brian Ehrlicher's the fucking middle linebacker, obviously.

Dave Clarke: Bill George is gonna play next to him. Bill George is the man, you may not have heard of him, but he's basically the man that invented the linebacker position. He stood up from the defensive line and decided that he would be better served. Playing coverage he, obviously it's era relative, but he essentially worked out the modern 4 3 defense and set records for interceptions and, uh, forced fumbles that lasted for decades.

Dave Clarke: So Bill Jordan's gonna be playing next to Brian Urlacher. These are guys that can break off into coverage. This is why I think I'm going to do okay against this Pats team that you guys have built, because I think that [00:41:00] my guys are specially suited. It might be hard for me to pressure your QB, because yes, your offensive line is absurdly stacked.

Dave Clarke: I can't even lie about that. I want to lie about it, but I can't. But it's really gonna be hard for Tom Brady to find the angles that he wants to find and the scenes that he wants to find with the linebackers that I have. They're all coverage guys. They're all fast as fuck. If you do try to run the ball on me, I hope you don't, Bobby, because you only brought one guy and there's no substitutions.

Dave Clarke: My other linebackers are coming for him. Dick Budkis, you may have heard of him. He, uh, famously, uh, the Cincinnati Bengals, I think it was, or the Cleveland For the Cleveland, Baltimore, what was the, what was it, Baltimore Colts? Baltimore Colts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Baltimore Colts, I believe it was, were, uh, on the bus on the way home after they played the Bears one, uh, one season, and Buck has hurt them so fucking badly, even though his right arm was broken, when they got rear ended by a semi truck, everybody stopped for a second, and at the same time, they all said, Butkus?

Dave Clarke: Uh, so, that's a man who haunts your fucking [00:42:00] dreams again, another wonderful fucking mustache, uh, another tough, gritty, fucking dirt in your eye motherfucker to just, ah, it's just gonna be so unpleasant to play against my team, just so fucking unpleasant. His job is gonna be to stop the run but I'll, honestly, he was pretty fast, I decide, for his era, too.

Dave Clarke: And on the other side, Mike Singletary is gonna take up, uh, take up that position. Obviously, a member of the greatest defense ever to grace a postseason in the 1985 Bears. Mike Singletary went on to be, I think, a little bit of an underrated coach. I don't, I don't think he got as enough credit as a coach that he maybe deserved.

Dave Clarke: I think, I think his mistake in his coaching career was trying to be a head coach a little bit too fast. I think he would have, uh, been better served by, being a defensive coordinator for longer and maybe staying in the college game for a little bit longer and then you know once people hear your name enough times in head coaching conversations and they don't hire you or you have a bad season with the 49ers or whatever it is it's tough you know there's a lot of competition but as a linebacker pretty pretty universally one of the best open field tacklers to ever play the game and i really want and this is true of [00:43:00] the current bears team and it's something i saw the patriots do really really well for a long time You gotta finish your tackles on my team.

Dave Clarke: You gotta be able to make solo tackles on my team. No bullshit arm tackles. Nobody, nobody gets by you, right? So we're gonna win the trench warfare battle. You've seen the, you've seen the linebackers. 

Dave Clarke: Obviously, Peanut Tillman is gonna be my first, uh, my first, uh, quarterback off the board. Just a turnover machine.

Dave Clarke: I think he basically invented punching the ball out in the most effective way possible. Uh, everybody does the Peanut Tillman now. Yeah, he was undersized, but man, I mean, you never noticed it when he played, uh, the game. Part of that amazing 2006 Bears defense. They couldn't get it done. I mean, it was Peyton Manning's year.

Dave Clarke: It still breaks my heart. I love that defense. And I was very, he was one of the first names I put on the board. Everybody remembers Peanut. Everybody likes Peanut. He's universally liked. But they're not gonna like him when he plays on this Bears team because we're gonna be mean to you guys. Leslie Frazier, you might know him from coaching, he's going to be my, uh, my second, uh, cornerback.

Dave Clarke: He was, his career was cut short by injury, but he had an amazing year in 1985. He led the team in interceptions that year a knee injury [00:44:00] that maybe in the modern era you could recover from, but once he got that, he got it in Super Bowl XX. Uh, is when he got that knee injury and he never played again.

Dave Clarke: So, he was an unbelievable corner he always, he put up ball hawk numbers in the 80s that would be wonderful now. They would be unbelievable ball hawk numbers now. I think he's a good coach, uh, you see him knocking around different teams from time to time. But he was a great corner and he's gonna be my, my corner two, uh, covering all you motherfuckers.

Dave Clarke: And actually He's pretty well suited to cover a, uh, a Julian Edelman type, you know, he was just very good at, like, sort of reading the game and he could sag off players and sort of, you know, make, make commitments and, and intercept the ball late. He's really good at hiding in the secondary, which not a lot of guys were in that era, that's like a, sort of a more modern, modern thing with everybody being fucking enormous, you can sort of hide.

Dave Clarke: So, enjoying Leslie Frazier as my, uh, as my CB2. Maybe controversial call if Bears fans are listening to this, but my free safety is going to be Mike Brown, who also played on that 2006 Bears team. I don't know if you guys remember him. He's a, he's a hard hitter. He's not necessarily a ball hawk, but he, man, [00:45:00] did he fuckin lay down just Oh, he was definitely a ball hawk.

Dave Clarke: He's quite successful. I mean, he, he, he had, he had a surprisingly low amount of interceptions when you actually look at his stats. I also thought he actually caught more interceptions than he did. Funny enough that you say that, Ray. When I looked at him, I was like Like, the 06 season, which is his best season for tackles, he had zero interceptions, funny enough.

Dave Clarke: I think that's because of the way we played and what we sort of asked him to do. It was a very pressure heavy defense, and he was a lot of times the last line of defense. He was, he could cover the, he could cover the field really well. Ray, I actually didn't, you had actually mentioned Mike Brown before, I didn't know you were a fan of his coming into this, um, but he was a fucking hard hitter, man.

Dave Clarke: Like, he was a really, really, really hard hitter. And I just don't want anybody to be able to move the ball on us on the ground. I think that I want that to be our identity. And that's why I put him there. And Gary Fenchik is going to be my, uh, is going to be my strong safety. Again, another thing, another guy that nothing hasn't been said about, about Fenchik that, you know, I can't think of anything to say about him that people haven't already said, but he was the captain of the [00:46:00] defense in the 1985 Super Bowl.

Dave Clarke: He was a two time pro bowler, two bowl champion, obviously first team all pro a few times. 38 interceptions in his career, uh, 13 fumble recoveries, couple sacks, even though he was, uh, even though he was a fuckin safety. And he was a member of the the secondary that were nicknamed the Hitmen, which I really genuinely believe is a cool as fuck nickname for a for a small subset of the field.

Dave Clarke: Again, their defense is just mean. You know, they're mean, they're they're gritty, uh, they're gonna hurt ya. And I just want to make sure whoever wins, you guys are going to want to play each other more than you play me, because I just want it to hurt. You know, I just really, really want it to hurt. I want it to be old school fucking football.

Dave Clarke: I want it to be hard headed. And I'm, I want at least one of my defensive players to get ejected from the game. So, with that being, all that being said, I, I think I built a hard nosed and really tough all time Bears defense. I think that it's a franchise known for their defense. Maybe not in recent seasons, but all time, the Bears D.

Dave Clarke: And, fun fact, Uh, scientific fact, [00:47:00] actually, 75 percent of the earth, they say, is covered by water, but the rest is covered by this bear's defense. So, uh, have fun. Try to, try to move the ball on the ground. I, I fuckin dare ya. And as far as throwing the ball goes, I really hope that, uh, Troy Aikman and Tom Brady can release that ball very quickly, because I'm coming for that head.

Rayshawn Buchanan: So, I, there's, there's three people I could think about that you didn't name that I was like, I, I couldn't believe wasn't on there. Lance Briggs, 

Dave Clarke: he was, he was, he was my first honorable mention off the, off the blip in the 

Rayshawn Buchanan: card. That's wild to me, Jay, Briggs, next to Earl Lacker, I mean, we saw what they did, it 

Bob Kelly: was 

Dave Clarke: amazing.

Dave Clarke: Yeah, but I don't, I don't need him, I don't need him if I got Mike Singletary. 

Rayshawn Buchanan: I, I, I got you. And then R. W. McCorders. Yeah, very good. Next to, uh, Tillman, and then And the fridge! How do you have the fridge up 

Dave Clarke: front? I mean, where's the fridge, bro? Here's the thing about the fridge, guys. You don't want him stealing touchdowns from Walter?

Dave Clarke: I love it. I genuinely do love it. But, he was a little bit of a personality higher. He was a wonderful player. [00:48:00] But, as far as like, I only had one D tackle, first off. Even as a fullback, you could have him as a fullback! I got Bronco! Bronco's famous! Everybody knows Bronco. I mean, I'm just, I'm trying to build an identity of a team here.

Dave Clarke: And the fridge! Quite frankly, he's bringing too many jokes to the fuckin locker room, you know? This is a serious team full of mean motherfuckers, you know? I don't know if he's gonna blend. I genuinely don't. He's he's too jovial. And as far as, like, him scoring touchdowns Some comic relief, bro. 

Bob Kelly: Huh? You need some comic relief, though.

Dave Clarke: I think it's gonna be Sid Luckman talking to literally anyone. 

Bob Kelly: I think that's gonna be a comic relief, 

Dave Clarke: I 

Rayshawn Buchanan: really 

Dave Clarke: do. Oh my god. I mean, Christ, like, just think about the poor catering staff, if there's any women on it. It's gonna, it's gonna be tough. Oh my god. He's gonna be coochin asses and fuckin winking all the way to the fuckin Super Bowl, who knows?

Dave Clarke: I mean, he might have been really progressive, I don't know, I don't know his political views, genuinely. But, uh, it was the 1940s, I, you know, I don't know. But the man was, the man served his country in the Navy, alright, that's all I'm saying. Uh, it was a big deal, but yeah, as far as the [00:49:00] Refrigerator Perry goes, of course, I love the Refrigerator Perry, I love Will Perry.

Dave Clarke: Uh, every Bears fan does, but I just don't think he, skill wise, I just don't think he makes the team. But I do see what you're saying. D. K., I think you're going to be 

Michael Marcangelo: very surprised by the defense that Ray has put 

Dave Clarke: together. Oh, wait, should I tell you my special teams now or should we just go, should we go one more round?

Dave Clarke: We'll go one more round. Why not? Okay. Go for it. 

Rayshawn Buchanan: Pats. Yeah. So, uh, defense. Listen, uh, this is sticking to what we talked about with the identity of the team. Obviously, those feel like, you know, the identity of the team when they won the first three was centered around the defense. So, uh, we definitely have a good mix of the past.

Rayshawn Buchanan: The present? Well, not really. Most of it is the Pats. It's not really anybody that was in the, in, in that's on the current team now. But, uh, so I'll just go in order. So left end Richard Seymour, you know, six pick in the 2001 draft. And the dude was lethal really from day one and was an intricate part of, uh, that, that D line.

Rayshawn Buchanan: So Al always enjoyed [00:50:00] seeing him play. He was very disruptive from, from the beginning and really felt like a glove. Uh, from day one in Bill's, in Bill's defense. Uh, next is Uh, the guy who I thought I was going to be because he was, you know, we were both big and that's a vegetable fork. Uh, I thought that he, you know, him in the middle, I mean, he's probably, he, he's got to be top three or four most athletic defensive tackles really that I've ever seen.

Dave Clarke: He Really nice guy. I chatted to him briefly at the 08 Celtics parade. Really, really nice guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he was being super cool to all the fans. I just have to shout that out. Cause he was, he was patient and talked to everybody. So I love him. Yeah. So 

Bob Kelly: we'll work with that. 

Rayshawn Buchanan: Yeah, no, he I mean, just, once again, disruption up the middle, uh, had good enough hands that if he was around the ball, he could catch it and run it back for a few yards.

Rayshawn Buchanan: And yeah, it was just, it was just always, it was just durable, right? Like he, you know, Bill Belichick always talked about your best ability, your best ability is your availability, and he was always 

Dave Clarke: up front. That's actually Mike's Bill Belichick quote? Yes, come 

Michael Marcangelo: on, get your own dude. [00:51:00] 

Rayshawn Buchanan: Uh, well, he was always out there and you know, so that was always good, uh, to see for his 10 years here in New England.

Rayshawn Buchanan: Uh, next, uh, someone that was on, I think, the 03 and 04 team Ted Washington, who was just a man in the middle. 

Bob Kelly: Damn, I remember Big 

Rayshawn Buchanan: Ted, bro. Big Ted, let's go. Yeah, Big 9, Big 9 II, so, you know, he did his thing in the middle. Uh, was huge for us in, in that, in that early dynasty, uh, run before us getting, uh, Wolf Fork, so he was awesome.

Rayshawn Buchanan: Uh, then to finish off the line, uh, he's probably the most famous Patriot before, uh, getting, getting Brady, and that's Andre Tippett. He was on the 85 team that got demolished by, uh, Chicago. But, you know, he, you know, he was, he was a big part of the reason why they weren't there at, at, at that time, so.

Rayshawn Buchanan: He, he, he obviously had to make, uh, this list. So now to the linebacker core, uh, as, as Mike brought up earlier in the show, uh, one of Parcell's, uh, guys, William [00:52:00] McGinnis, uh, fourth pick in the 94 draft. Dude made, you know, play after play after play. You know, the one that stands out was the goal line stand in Indianapolis you know, on, on a two yard line to, to, to, to save that game.

Rayshawn Buchanan: After taking an injury. 

Michael Marcangelo: Say that again? After faking an injury to get a timeout. 

Rayshawn Buchanan: Yeah, so, hey, you know, hey, by any means necessary, right? Uh, you know, so yeah, he was, he was, he was the guy. Oh, we always enjoy seeing him out there going crazy. Uh, one of, this next guy is one of my personal favorite pitchers of all time, and that's Dont'a Hightower.

Rayshawn Buchanan: You know, when they were looking for who was going to be the next leader of linebackers, after Brewski all those guys left, Dont'a Hightower stepped right in. Uh, was the captain of the team, was someone who, uh, manned that defense, uh, was very instrumental in the Atlanta, uh, comeback. So, you know, he, he definitely had to make that list.

Rayshawn Buchanan: And then, uh, last but not least on the, on the linebacker side, it's Teddy Bruschi, right? Teddy Bruschi once again, not the [00:53:00] Parcel guy but was there for 13 years. Did his thing, obviously fought some health battles, came back, did his thing, was comeback player of the year and once again, was just a very smart player was always at the right spot at the, at, at the right time, so, but this, this next, last but not least, this is my favorite part of the defense, because I think our secondary might be the best of the three, once again, collectively, not, there's, there's, there's some individuals that's brought up that are better, but just collectively so see, cornerback one, Ty Law, Ty Law.

Rayshawn Buchanan: They changed rules because of this man. Uh, Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne were going home crying because they were so fucking physical with them. So, um, sure, three time champ. You know, you know, fact, got opinion. So, but, uh, Ty Ty Law, amazing. Um You know, this guy was a mercenary here, he was just here for one season, but Darrell Revis was amazing here in his one year here, so he was a Super Bowl XLIX champ, but, you know, Bill recognized the need, brought over Revis from Tampa Bay, and the rest was history, [00:54:00] um, and then He didn't come from the Jets?

Rayshawn Buchanan: No, he was in Tampa Bay for one year, then he came to L. A. I didn't know that. Yeah, so, yeah, that's, we're very informative here. So we learn about Bronco, and we learn about, you know, Tampa Bay to That's what we're trying to do here. That's what we're trying to do here. That's what we're trying to learn.

Rayshawn Buchanan: You know? And then, uh, at Free Safety, Devin McCourty. Uh, once again, you know, that 2010 draft was very instrumental, uh, to help building the second dynasty here, and, uh, McCarty was at the forefront of that, uh, you know, came on as a part returner, then, you know, was a corner did everything on that defense that Bill asked him to do and, you know, made, made big play after big play, and then, uh, as strong safety, and You know, one of the hardest hitters, you know, talk about how Mike Brown was, but Ronnie Harrison was a guy that would clean your clock every single time.

Rayshawn Buchanan: Aaron Sharper, 

Bob Kelly: one of the 

Dave Clarke: hardest hittingest safeties in the 

Bob Kelly: league. Yeah, that's 

Rayshawn Buchanan: right. You know, so, uh, he would knock you out. Yeah. Oh, shit. He would knock you out if you were cool with that, right. So, yeah, that rounds out the defense. So, [00:55:00] yeah, I think, once again, we We stick true to ourselves. Got the big linebackers, got the big lineman.

Rayshawn Buchanan: And once again, we're gonna cover you and, and we, we may knock your ass out too. So I'm, I'm, I'm very pleased when we put together defensively, 

Dave Clarke: I have questions. Okay. I'm ready to ask. I ask questions in the form of names. Okay. Uh, junior. 

Bob Kelly: Say out. No, 

Rayshawn Buchanan: because, because 

Bob Kelly: Patriot Time now 

Michael Marcangelo: Mike Rebel, OT will mentioned he was three Man roster.

Michael Marcangelo: Mayo honorable. He wasn't that good. Brandon 

Bob Kelly: Spike. No. Also he, 

Michael Marcangelo: he was a big, he was a big motherfucker. He, 

Dave Clarke: yeah. I think that's all I got. Smith, I just have a little list here. Uh, I had 

Rayshawn Buchanan: a little over, over Buck Re though, or re 

Bob Kelly: Bobby. Yeah. I just want, it's true to Buck, to Bucky Jones 

Michael Marcangelo: to put, to put the one Reva shear in perspective.

Michael Marcangelo: He had 73 targets on him that entire year. He led up 20 catches for an average quarterback rating of [00:56:00] 46.7. Yeah. Like he, people just didn't go after him. 

Dave Clarke: No, Rivas was great, uh, he was great. I think his best ever year was not on the Patriots, but I think he was really good on the Patriots. Oh 

Rayshawn Buchanan: yeah, I mean, his, his, his 0 9 

Dave Clarke: year with New York was Yeah, the, the, the true Rivas Island year didn't happen in New England, but he was awesome there and he got to win a championship, so I'm not really gonna argue that, but yeah, your secondary is really fucking good actually, but alright, let's hear it, Bob.

Dave Clarke: Alright, 

Bob Kelly: so, up and down this board, I, I couldn't believe this defense I was putting together. I mean, it's just Hall of Famers up and down with, with a couple of modern day selections in Yeah, 100%. You'll see. You'll see. Just making sure. Just making sure. D. N., the man who turned the tide, uh, of the NFC solely, uh, in the early 90s by switching from the 49ers to the Cowboys, and that would be Mr.

Bob Kelly: Charles Haley at Defense Event, at the Defense Attackers. So just Yeah, just a little, uh, [00:57:00] background here is we're actually gonna be playing, uh, a 3 3 6. So I guess, is that a nickel or a dime? It's a nickel, right? 

Dave Clarke: Uh, it depends, it depends where you're, if you have a third corner in there or not. 

Bob Kelly: It's the third corner.

Bob Kelly: So yeah, that's nickel, right? Okay, yeah. So, so we're. We're playing that nickel defense on you guys. We're gonna have lots of speed going. And a D tackle, uh, Mr. Don't Touch The Football Himself, Leon Lett showing up that middle of that line, again, one of the all pro from that early 90s team. He is remembered for that one mistake, for sure, but Leon Lett was a, a 

Dave Clarke: fantastic defensive tackle.

Dave Clarke: He's the Phil Buckner of Dallas, for God's 

Bob Kelly: sake. He, he really is, though. He really is. Although that game didn't mean shit, by the way. 

Dave Clarke: Comparatively speaking. 

Bob Kelly: Yeah, yeah at the other DN, one of the greatest DNs of all time, uh, may be the all time SAC leader if they had kept track of SACs the entire time 

Dave Clarke: he was playing.

Dave Clarke: Isn't that such bullshit, dude? When I was fuckin doin research for all my Bears guys, like, they just, they didn't start keepin [00:58:00] track of SACs until, like, three seasons. For so long, bro. It's fuckin bullshit, like How did you not know that that was an important fucking statistic for that long? They can go back, apparently they can go back and like build it out, but the year, I was looking at it today because I was trying to look up SAC numbers of some of my guys, and I was like, are you fucking serious?

Dave Clarke: Like, it was like the 80s that they started fucking tracking 

Bob Kelly: SACs. It's fucking nuts! 

Dave Clarke: Un fucking believable. Like a real dereliction of duty. Sorry, go on. 

Bob Kelly: That's fine. Uh, and that would be Mr. Ed Too Tall Jones, uh, at the other D. N. position. Then we move over His pass rush 

Dave Clarke: is almost as good as mine. That's, that's pretty impressive.

Dave Clarke: Then, 

Bob Kelly: well, we're not done yet, my friend. We ain't done. Then we move over to our Outside, left outside linebacker, recent Hall of Famer, one of the best pass rushers of all time, Mr. DeMarcus Ware. Up the middle, we have one of the best middle linebackers of all time, also a tough motherfucker. He's bringing the toughness to this defense, and that would be Chuck Howley.

Bob Kelly: He, he's from [00:59:00] the, the, the great Cowboys of, of years past. Then, at the other linebacker, Mr. Modern Day himself, number 11. Michael Parsons rounding out the other side of the pass rush. Is it from this year? Because Last year's Micah, last year's Micah. Just checking, just checking. But, but, so, rounding out that pass rush, we got DeMarcus on one side, Micah, and we got Haley and Ed Toothall Jowens.

Bob Kelly: Like, you guys are in some trouble there. Secondary. 

Dave Clarke: Yeah, we're in trouble. Bob's the only guy with a rookie on his team, but that's fine. He's not a rookie. You said from last year he was a rookie last year. Yeah, that's fair. 

Bob Kelly: But he was one of the best rookies ever. Anyways 

Dave Clarke: I'm just 

Bob Kelly: fucking with you guys.

Bob Kelly: So then we got Number 21, primetime himself, of course, Deion Sanders, at shutdown corner again, 

Dave Clarke: I thought you might have put him a kick returner, I genuinely thought you might have put him a kick returner. He was the second best 

Bob Kelly: ever. I got someone special for kick returner, don't worry, I got someone special.

Bob Kelly: So then we're gonna play Uh, like I said, we're playing, uh, those three corners. We have Everson [01:00:00] Walsh at the other corner, uh, one of the greatest corners of all time. I believe he had the most interceptions, uh, career wise for a very long time. Then, the guy with the most interceptions in a single season in Cowboys history, Trevon Diggs.

Bob Kelly: Uh, he's playing our nickel so he'll be coming in, you know, when, when, when we need, when we need him. Bobby, you 

Rayshawn Buchanan: were Oh, no. No way. This is not good. I mean, come on. Go ahead, get in there. Go ahead. This is unbelievable. Unbelievable. You almost had me. You was going really well. And 

Bob Kelly: then, go ahead. What's wrong with Diggs, bro?

Bob Kelly: Come on. Go 

Rayshawn Buchanan: ahead. Go ahead. Keep going. Keep going. 

Bob Kelly: Wait, wait, wait. Hang on. Hang on. Then, at our free safety, we are moving him from corner, and we are playing Mel Renfro at free safety. And then we were playing Darren Woodson at Strong [01:01:00] Safety. So, so I know, you know, Diggs is in there as that third cover guy, but that's because we got Mel Renfroe still, one of the best cover guys of all time, uh, showing up that free safety spot for us.

Bob Kelly: So, I mean, I mean, I 

Dave Clarke: Go ahead. 

Rayshawn Buchanan: Come, come, come on, man. No deal, 

Bob Kelly: Sanders! No, no, he said Piper. I did have Dion, bro. 

Rayshawn Buchanan: Dion's my, Dion's my one. That's why I was freaking out. I was like, you, you, I'm like, there's no way. Bruh, 

Bob Kelly: come on. 

Michael Marcangelo: It should, but I, uh, because his outrage was, uh, not real, I just wanted to let you know that two of your linchpins in there, of your defense, have been proven to not show up in the big games.

Michael Marcangelo: That's Micah Parsons and Trade on digs, so you're good. 

Bob Kelly: But they have, they have, they have hall of famers who are proving to show up in these moments surrounding that. I'm pretty sure that they'll be okay. 

Dave Clarke: I mean, it's your, it's your own hypothetical. This is like, Bobby, what would you do with a million dollars?

Dave Clarke: That's like, you'd be like, I would invest it in safe IRAs. Like, that's just like, [01:02:00] it's your own hypothetical, like do something like fucking really digs. Like, hold on a second. Tell me your corners and your safeties again. 

Bob Kelly: How is digs, not the risk you 

Dave Clarke: want? A, because he's been playing for three fucking seasons and you have entire cowboy careers to choose from.

Dave Clarke: That's first of all. Tell me your corners again. Tell me your corners and your safeties again. Just name them real quick. So we 

Bob Kelly: have Deion Sanders, Everson Walls, Trevon Diggs, Mel Renfrow, Darren Woodson, uh, and that's it. 

Dave Clarke: Where's Cliff Harris?

Dave Clarke: Where's, where's Terrence 

Bob Kelly: Newman? Terrence Newman, bro! Where's Terrence Newman? Terrence Newman! Terrence Newman is so much better than Terrence Newman. Where's Roy Williams? Where's Roy Williams? You guys, you guys understand that Trevon Diggs has the most interceptions in a two year career in a two year span in Cowboys history.

Bob Kelly: He also consistently 

Dave Clarke: isn't there in your postseason. 

Bob Kelly: You can pick Ted, Ted Washington, play for the Patriots for two fucking seasons. Two fucking 

Dave Clarke: seasons! No, I, I know. You can sit here and say, oh, you know, [01:03:00] for me, listen, DJ Moore, DJ Moore's been on the Bears for 

Bob Kelly: one fucking year, bro. That's awesome, though.

Bob Kelly: So you guys can sit here and I just, I just had to 

Dave Clarke: dig the 

Rayshawn Buchanan: digs. Listen, he had, he had 

Bob Kelly: the most 

Dave Clarke: interceptions in Cowboys history last year. It's difficult for me to believe, it's difficult for me to believe, it's difficult for me to believe that you couldn't go and find, I mean, just off the top of my head, those are guys I get to go, but it's difficult for me to believe you couldn't find better guys than fucking Trayvon Diggs to play in your secondary.

Dave Clarke: That seems crazy. I just wanted him on my 

Bob Kelly: fucking team. If I want him on my team, I can put him on my team. Got you. 

Rayshawn Buchanan: One guy I did think about though too, because unless you named him and I missed it because I'm, I'm, I guess apparently I'm becoming deaf. 

Rayshawn Buchanan: Um, is, is what, what about Hollywood Henderson? Does it get, does it get love on here?

Rayshawn Buchanan: He's from, he's from the seventies, played with Dorsett Andum guys. He was a linebacker. He's 

Dave Clarke: Googling him right now. I don't remember 

Bob Kelly: him. I, linebacker was good. He was real good. Listen, the linebacker core is all about the speed in the pass rush, my friend. Did you put how Darren the middle with the, with the tough one?

Bob Kelly: Yeah. Yeah. [01:04:00] Was, 

Rayshawn Buchanan: yeah. 

Rayshawn Buchanan: Darren Woods was, he was real good. Yeah, 

Dave Clarke: well, at least prime time made it in there. Um, yeah, 

Bob Kelly: I don't know how you guys can just be hating on this just because of no, no, no, 

Dave Clarke: no, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not hating on it, 

Bob Kelly: I'm not hating on it, he had one of the best seasons a quarterback's ever had, 

Dave Clarke: no, no, no, I'm not, I don't think he's a bad, I don't think he's a bad corner, I just think that In that same season, he, he racked up those interceptions, and then I watched him get cooked for like an entire half of a season, but that was just me watching it with my eyes and brain.

Dave Clarke: But like, that's fine. But 

Bob Kelly: that's as a corner, but that's as a corner one. He's our, he's our nickel now, so all he's going to be doing is You don't even have 

Dave Clarke: any reference of him playing nickel corner. It doesn't matter. It doesn't 

Bob Kelly: matter. You put him, you put him in this situation, bro, and it's 

Dave Clarke: going to work.

Dave Clarke: I can see, I can see the theory. Can we all just 

Bob Kelly: give him, give him the opportunity, you tell him, see ball, get ball. You don't gotta cover, you know what I mean? Every once in a while you do, but you're not the lockdown guy. You [01:05:00] ball hawk, Deis. That's all you do. So it becomes, so it becomes 

Rayshawn Buchanan: Deron Blatt. It's all day.

Rayshawn Buchanan: I think, 

Dave Clarke: I think every time, every time you give him a piece of Zone coverage, Tom Brady and Randy Moss are just gonna drool. Like, I just think, I just think Randy Moss is just gonna fucking destroy him every single goddamn time. I don't know, maybe I, maybe 

Bob Kelly: I've never really rated We're gonna cover Randy Moss, D'Alessandro's locking Randy 

Dave Clarke: Moss down all day.

Dave Clarke: They're gonna get Moss switched on him. That's why Moss was so fucking good on the Patriots, dude. They always got him in positions where guys that 

Bob Kelly: didn't cover him. But you also remember I have like seven defensive backs, so we can just cover Moss all over the fucking Nobody could ever cover Moss!

Bob Kelly: There's 

Dave Clarke: a reason we 

Bob Kelly: cover Moss all of a sudden! Why can you 

Dave Clarke: magically cover Randy Moss when no one was ever able to ever? Wait, 

Rayshawn Buchanan: he's 

Bob Kelly: gonna do what he did to Reuben. 

Bob Kelly: That's why I have so many goddamn defensive backs! There's a reason I have so 

Dave Clarke: many, okay? I think my issue with it is, I really do think my issue with it is, like, I don't [01:06:00] I think it's a me problem with Diggs and with the way that I bought into that Cowboys team over the last couple of years, and him being sort of the face of that defense folding to me, I think is like, why?

Dave Clarke: Why I have an issue with it, like, I'm like, you can't get a better third corner than fucking Trayvon Diggs, did you guys never draft any corners? Anyway, it doesn't matter. That's just my opinion. I'm sure it's not even, you know, objectively correct. 

Dave Clarke: I think we can all agree that Bobby is the worst defense of the three of us.

Dave Clarke: Can we all? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He might, he might, I think you have a better offense than me. I genuinely believe you have a better offense than me. Maybe not on the ground, but I think, I think your defense is three all time. I think I'm, I think, now we're gonna talk now about matchups. I'd rather play your all time Cowboys team than the all time Patriots team that they mentioned, personally.

Dave Clarke: Just from, uh, just from the way I built my team. I'm not saying it's a bad team by any stretch. 

Dave Clarke: Uh, Checkers, Punters, Special Teams? Oh, fuck, of course, I forgot about the most important part of my team. Oh, gentlemen, uh 

Michael Marcangelo: Because without this, your [01:07:00] team's not winning. Like, like, 

Rayshawn Buchanan: literally your best weapon.

Dave Clarke: Literally. That's not true. Walter Payton, my best weapon. He's one of the best running backs of all time. But Of course, of course, you have to mention, uh, Robby Gould, Robby Gould is going to be my kicker, just so you guys know, Mr. Consistency, uh, watched him kick for a long time you know, he can kick a 60 yarder, but he'll consistently make your, your 35 pluses he was clutch, you He played, he had crazy good longevity.

Dave Clarke: Uh, Brad Maynard is my punter, I don't know if you guys remember him. I just, I picked him because he was my, he was my punter for that, that great, uh, mid 2000s Bears special teams and, and defense that we had. He threw a, he threw a touchdown pass to Brian Urlacher, which is one of my fondest memories as a, uh, as a Bears fan.

Dave Clarke: He had a lot of trick plays, actually, and he was a really, really good punter. His, I actually have his punting stats pulled up, they're like Kind of weirdly impressive. He was an All Pro a few times. He played for the Giants, the Bears, the Texans, the Browns, but he played for the longest for the, for the Bears.

Dave Clarke: He has 56, 000 punting yards, which is, uh, which is really high up on [01:08:00] the interest time list, which is pretty impressive if you ask me. He kicked a 75 yard punt once, which is Pretty good. And, uh, and he was a real good coffin corner guy. So special teams are gonna be a big part of my, of my team, obviously, because the only two teams, and Bobby, I don't mean to shit on the Cowboys, I think it's a very good Cowboys team, but the only two teams in this draft that have the definitive best ever player at their position are the New England Patriots with their quarterback, Tom Brady, obviously, and the definitive best kick and punt returner in the history of the sport to the point where they had to, we're talking about changing fucking rules.

Dave Clarke: They purposely fuckin changed the rules so Devin Hestry couldn't cook teams anymore. 

Rayshawn Buchanan: Well, I will say, to give credit, Dion is the best corner ever. So he does have a guy that is better than everybody else. Dion, it's not, he is the best corner ever. It's not, there is no debate for that. I 

Dave Clarke: think that he's the best athlete to ever play cornerback.

Dave Clarke: I think that that, I think that that's true. I think that it would be a different show, but I think we could maybe argue. [01:09:00] We could maybe make some arguments for some other pure cornerbacks in that position. I think he's probably the best athlete to play cornerback, though. That's fair enough. That's fair enough.

Dave Clarke: I'll give you that one. But, just so we don't go down a rabbit hole of arguing about that, because we've been so long talking about all people straight on digs. But, uh, I really did not see that one. I did not have that one on my fucking bingo card. But anyway, Devin Hester. 

Dave Clarke: Obviously, it was Mr. Highlight.

Dave Clarke: I don't know if you guys, I don't know what your experience was watching him or how much of his, uh, participation in, in that, especially that 06 season kind of reached you as, as a kicker turner, but, uh, if you go and watch his highlights, they're still as entertaining to watch now as they were, uh, to watch in real time.

Dave Clarke: He returned the opening kick of the Super Bowl for a touchdown. He brought, essentially, He was so good at returning kicks that he got Rex Grossman to a Super Bowl. That's how good he was at returning kicks. Um, that season he returned, he returned two kicks in that comeback win against the Cardinals, which resulted in that great, the Bears are who we thought they were, uh, soundbite.

Dave Clarke: He was [01:10:00] the first man to ever return a short field goal against the, uh, against the Giants, which is now in Bears history return, uh, titled the No No Go Go play, because Lovie Smith was like, Stay where you are, stay where you are. And then he took off and of course he fucking ran it back. The collective world couldn't believe that, uh, that the Indianapolis Colts kicked it to him.

Dave Clarke: And they were, by the way, statistically the worst special teams, uh, at, at Stony Brook on returns that year. And for some reason they kicked it to Devin Hester, the absolute fucking highlight reel that he was. Brian Urlacher was my favorite ever bear, uh, for, for obvious reasons, but I have such a deep, deep abiding love for Devin Hester that really can't be touched that I didn't even really remember until he was just this past inductee year, uh, inducted into the Hall of Fame as a kick returner.

Dave Clarke: Uh, cause he was, god damn, his hands were like fuckin Orlando Jones hands in the replacements. He just could not fuckin catch the ball for the, to save his life. I wish stick'em wasn't illegal, but he would've been one of the best [01:11:00] wide receivers ever, but what I always said about Devin Hester, which I think may be controversial here, I think he was the single best downhill runner in the history of the sport.

Dave Clarke: I think if you gave that guy 10 yards before he started getting the tackles attempted on him, You were fucked. So, I, I, it was more surprising to see him not return a punt or a kick for a touchdown than it was to see him, uh, to see him actually do it. It was the most fun I ever had watching the Chicago Bears was when, was when he was on my team, so.

Dave Clarke: Uh, good luck, everybody, kick me the fuckin ball, he's dynamic as fuck and actually, I heard he's Sid Luckman's best friend on the team, so, we're making progress. Great. Uh, your, uh, your special teams, guys, please. Yeah, so, uh, 

Bob Kelly: we can't He's not gonna 

Michael Marcangelo: let it go, huh? I would say, respectively, we can't Oh, that's gotta 

Rayshawn Buchanan: be a clip, I don't care, it's gonna 

Michael Marcangelo: be a clip.

Michael Marcangelo: We, we, we, we can't, we can't touch your, your kick returner. Can I guess your kick 

Dave Clarke: returner? Can I guess your, your, your kick returner? Is it Troy Brown? Yes. Okay. Yes. It 

Bob Kelly: should be. It's [01:12:00] gotta be. 

Michael Marcangelo: It's gotta be. Troy Brown, like, he's, he never, he was never gonna, like, he was never the Devin Hester, obviously. Like, that's your, that's your secret weapon.

Michael Marcangelo: Still had some huge fucking 

Dave Clarke: returns, though. Especially when it, 

Michael Marcangelo: when it mattered, especially that 0 1 game against the Steelers, uh, in the playoffs. Like, he, he single handedly turned the momentum of that game back into the Patriots favor. He did that throughout the course of his returning career. We, we knew that you were going to pick Devin Hester, and we, uh, fully, uh, uh, envisioned us playing you in this make believe Super Bowl so our punter, by the way, is going to be Tom Tupa.

Michael Marcangelo: The reason that Tom Tupa is our punter is because during the course of his time with New England Patriots, no other kicker averaged, uh, further distance and fewer returns. So he would just kick it far and out of bounds. So we're going to try and nullify Devin Hester on the punt but you also mentioned like, uh, we have the greatest of all time, like, uh, for quarterback, you have the, uh, obviously the best running back that, that we listed.

Dave Clarke: I agree about Vinatieri, but I mean, he also built half that [01:13:00] greatest of all time in, in Indianapolis, just putting that out there. But 

Michael Marcangelo: I would, I would argue that between 1996 and 2006. 

Dave Clarke: I mean, he hit the most clutch, he hit the most clutch, so yeah, I can't argue with 

Bob Kelly: that. Maybe the best kick I've ever seen, the two best kicks I've ever seen.

Bob Kelly: Yeah, 

Michael Marcangelo: against Oakland and the Snowball, like that, there's just, I, 

Dave Clarke: he should have been a Hall of Famer. Correct me, correct me if I'm wrong, it was Carolina? Underrated 

Bob Kelly: kick 

Dave Clarke: too, though. Right, Carolina, he had the winning kick, and who was the other, who was it, was it the Rams, 

Michael Marcangelo: or was it the Rams? And theoretically, no, it was the Rams the first one, Carolina the second one, and then the Eagles, we did win by a three, but he didn't kick that to win the game, we were already 

Bob Kelly: Got it, got it, got it.

Bob Kelly: That Titans kick too, I was at that game, bro, and that was the coldest day. I've ever experienced in my life, and he kicked like a 48 yard field goal in that temperature. And that, that, that field goal, that ball must have been a goddamn rock that he was kicking. About 

Michael Marcangelo: how important [01:14:00] Vinatieri was to the Patriots, because the year after that, they let him go and they drafted Gostkowski in that Super Bowl against the Giants.

Michael Marcangelo: Bill elected to not kick a 44 yard field goal and to punt it because he didn't trust his rookie kicker. If we'd still had Adam, who knows what would've happened. Gus Kalski 

Dave Clarke: was 

Rayshawn Buchanan: a pretty good kicker over the course of the season. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Gus Kalski actually ended up having, was actually, ended up being more accurate than, um, Not more clutch though.

Rayshawn Buchanan: Yeah, not more clutch, yeah, but so, he, he, he, Gus Kalski had his nice little run too. But it doesn't compare to what Would it be 

Dave Clarke: fair to say that Vinatieri is the, is the most clutch kicker in the history of the game? Yes. But Tucker is the best? Yes. Yes, agreed. Yeah, I think he had a big, I think he has the biggest leg, plus his longevity, like I would take Vinatieri, if the game's on the line, obviously you'd be an idiot not to, but I think if you're looking to get like a weird circus, like 64 yard kick through the fucking uprights, like Justin Tucker's probably your man, right?

Dave Clarke: Yeah, 100%. So, I mean, at least there's some argument there. There's, you know, there's, there's people out there in the world that might come on this podcast and say, [01:15:00] No, it's Justin Tucker, blah blah blah, you know, I still take videos, Harry, I was there, you know, so I'm biased, but, um, but yeah, I mean, cool, I think your speciality is pretty stacked, Bob.

Bob Kelly: So, Kicker, tough go for the Cowboys for Kickers, it has been for a really fucking long time. Um, so I got Dan Bailey Dan Bailey's the most reliable guy I could think of off the top of my head. The only other one I You know, 

Dave Clarke: you could have Googled it, I mean, there was no I know, 

Bob Kelly: I know, but I was trying to think of him and it was just, you know, Dan Bailey's the guy I had to go to.

Bob Kelly: Punter, this, this is kind of a special selection for me because of this lethal pass rush that you have over here, DK. My punter is going to be a dude who doubled as a quarterback and a punter for his entire career and that is Mr. Danny White, uh, who led the Cowboys to an NFC Championship game, but also made a couple of Pro Bowls as a punter, uh, during his career.

Bob Kelly: So he will be my punter, backup quarterback as well. Uh, and then our kick returner. Will be a [01:16:00] holo a Olympic sprinter. I believe he won a silver or gold medal at some point. Uh, Bob THE BULLET. Hayes will be returning kicks for us. I couldn't quite fit him in that, that 88 club, but we got him returning kicks.

Bob Kelly: So we got some pretty solid kick returners on our board here, guys. The rules, 

Dave Clarke: the rules do fuck you when it comes to kick returners, because obviously Dion would be returning your kicks if it was, if you were to put them in two different positions. Just, I just want to reiterate that only because I'm, if anyone's screaming at their, at their stereo right now at you, going like, you just have to go to the center to return the fucking kicks.

Dave Clarke: I'm like, that's because we made the rule. And beforehand that you couldn't repeat so, you know, I couldn't have Mike Dick could be my tight end slash head coach You know, you couldn't have Deion Sanders be your kicker Turner slash cornerback It just slash slash slash slash also goes and plays baseball on the weekend yeah, you know fucking three point contest winner, whatever other fucking bullshit Like the best athlete that ever lived but uh, but yeah, just so everybody knows I just wanted to interject that because Uh, that would be the obvious choice, right?

Dave Clarke: If, if, uh, if you could, if you could, [01:17:00] yeah, obviously, obviously. Three pretty stacked teams, guys. I, I really enjoyed this exercise, and I want to talk about, I want to just do the rock, paper, scissors of the three teams. Obviously, we're all biased in the sense of, like, I think my team would win, you think your team would win, whatever, but just, just, what I would love to do is I would like to have Mike and Ray talk about the challenges that their team is gonna have against our teams, and then I'll do the same for both of yours, and then I'll have Bobby do the same, so we'll make it complimentary just to actually get the juices flowing on the conversation, because otherwise it's gonna just be like, no, cause I fuckin Tom Brady, and And that was a Ray Sean impression, by the way.

Dave Clarke: Did I nail it? Um, just kidding. Uh, you know what I mean, though, right? I mean, it's like, I just think we should say It's like in the part of the presidential debates where they say, like, can you say something nice about the other candidate? But we'll start with, uh, Ray and Mike, what do you guys think is going to be the trouble you have with both me and Bobby's teams?

Dave Clarke: And don't say Trayvon Diggs. Well, 

Rayshawn Buchanan: none, because I have fucking Tom Brady, but, 

Dave Clarke: [01:18:00] uh, 

Rayshawn Buchanan: I do think because Brady, for a majority of his career, well, really all of his career was, uh, stationary, so for you guys to have the guys you have up front it's pretty fucking scary, honestly, uh, so, I mean, you know, there, there might be some, some more sacks than, than four allowed, uh, that we talked about, so, and then, obviously, you know.

Rayshawn Buchanan: You know, Dion would be a problem you know, seeing Peanuts Hellman on Edelman, maybe 

Dave Clarke: punching a ball. Seeing Randy Moss vs. Dion Sanders in a one on one, it's like, fucking mouth 

Rayshawn Buchanan: watering, like, holy shit. Unreal, right? Who wins that? We saw Thanksgiving Day in 98, and Randy Moss went to work, but, uh, 

Bob Kelly: we're talking later Dion, though.

Bob Kelly: Yeah, 

Dave Clarke: Prime to Prime, though, it's a different story. 

Bob Kelly: Yeah, Prime, like, 95 Dion, though. 94 

Rayshawn Buchanan: Dion. No, I feel you, Bob. I mean, man. Like, it was tough. We didn't get Prime Randy. He was 30 31 by the time we got to West. But yeah. That's also [01:19:00] true. Yeah, I think just the past rush that both teams have obviously with, you know, Hester being who he was even Bob Hayes.

Rayshawn Buchanan: Like, Bob Hayes, in his day, Well, it was, was, was, was, was, was a man amongst boys. So, I do think we would have to find a way to get a lot of points off especially because if not it could be a long night. 

Michael Marcangelo: I think, uh, DK's team, uh, does a better job of negating what we, what we have as strengths, right, because it's going to be, Brady's going to have like three seconds, maybe, maybe three seconds to, uh, to make three reads and, and get rid of the ball because he's going to get killed.

Michael Marcangelo: So that's going to take away either Gronk or Ben Coates because they're going to have to stay back to, uh, stay back to block. I think I know who it's going to be. All right. Like, whereas I think, uh. The running game against the Cowboys, I think we could do pretty well, and I think especially play action, especially with your boy Trayvon Diggs, who got cooked by Mac Jones, he'll get absolutely cooked by [01:20:00] Tom Brady.

Michael Marcangelo: So, I'm worried about the Bears, man. I really am, and I think the offense, by the way, of the Cowboys is a little bit formidable, more formidable than the Bears. I think it would be hard for us to, I don't think be hard for us to stop Mr. Luckman and 

Dave Clarke: That man saw the Second World War unfold, okay. 

Michael Marcangelo: Right. But I think the interesting part about it is, is that your team, DK, is definitely ground and pound.

Michael Marcangelo: And I don't think Bobby's is, and I think, I think that his passing attack would obviously give our corners a little bit more stress. 

Dave Clarke: Yeah, I think I would say on Bobby's team, the thing that jumped out at me right away was If we don't get to Aikman, which I, I have a feeling we could, but if we don't get to Aikman quickly, there's a possibility that with the weapons that, like Troy Aikman I don't think was, [01:21:00] you know, we've had this conversation, we had this conversation early on about Troy Aikman and, and the kind of quarterback that he was, the criticisms that you can really genuinely level at Troy Aikman when he, when he's mentioned in the same breath as, you, you have these fights based on a conversation And Comparing him to other great quarterbacks, right?

Dave Clarke: You're not comparing Troy Aikman to fucking Rex Grossman, right? You're, you're comparing him to the other greats, and maybe he falls short if you're talking about a Tom Brady or a Peyton Manning or something, but the biggest criticism I always heard about Troy Aikman was he was a man kind of built by his weapons, and in this scenario, he's got so many fucking weapons to throw, too.

Dave Clarke: And I think the thing that would really worry me, and this is what I think the Bears sort of And entire identity is always built on. If we don't get to him, I think he has a good chance of cooking us in the secondary. I think that would be the thing I would really worry about. I think we can stop their run.

Dave Clarke: It doesn't seem like Bobby's team is really built on the run anyway, so I think they're fine with that. Um, but I think, yeah, I think Troy Aikman, if we can't, I don't, I don't remember him being, and again, I [01:22:00] mean, I was a child, but I don't remember him being easy to rattle, you know? So like a big part of the, a big part of pressure is.

Dave Clarke: Affecting the QBs game when you don't get to them, right? Like, just knowing that, you know, and I think the same thing is true of Tom Brady. It's like, even if we hit him four or five times, you're not gonna be able to Russell Wilson him, you know what I mean? He's not gonna shit himself in the pocket after you get to him.

Dave Clarke: Like, he's going to, he's gonna still stay there and he's gonna, he's gonna still cook you if you play any sort of zone against him. Really, really difficult wide receivers. I would actually, funny enough, Just based on how my Bears team is constituted, I think I would rather see your guys as wide receivers than Bobby's.

Dave Clarke: Just based on how the team is built, because I have to put a ton of one on ones together, and I'd rather see Pena I think Pena Tillman could fuckin shut down Julian Edelman with his eyes closed, personally. So, I think it's it's just perfect. I switch him on every single time. I think we can get some turnovers.

Dave Clarke: But then again, Tom Brady's throwing on the fucking ball, right, so it's [01:23:00] like, ah, Jesus Christ, I mean, my entire game is sink or swim, like, I'm either gonna beat you guys with either one of your teams scoring like 10 points or less, or you're gonna put a fuck of 40 points on my team, because I gotta get to that QB, right, I'm definitely stopping the run, but it doesn't seem how you guys are built.

Dave Clarke: So, yeah, I'm definitely scared of your weapons, both, both Both sets of weapons are very difficult, I think, to deal with. As far as the defense goes, I would rather see Bobby's defense only because you guys have all those linebackers. Like, you have four linebackers I wouldn't want to see that you didn't even mention, right?

Dave Clarke: And obviously my whole team is built on trying to move the ball on the ground. And funny enough, the fucking 85 Patriots shut down Walter Payton in the Super Bowl. I mean, we still coaxed you guys, but the entire game plan was like Just make sure Walter Payton doesn't fuck you up, right? So, and they did, they shut him down.

Dave Clarke: That was their whole game plan and it worked. He didn't even score a touchdown in that Super Bowl. So, I think that'd be really difficult to deal with. I think I think Bobby's edge rush is maybe wasted on my team, because I'm not going to be throwing the [01:24:00] ball that much if I'm being 100 percent honest with you.

Dave Clarke: Um, so I think your edge rushers are going to be wasted. I'm going to left handed rip it. Left handed rip it down the field. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, I, you know, I mean, at the end of the day, my, my quarterback has a leather helmet on, so I, I don't want to see him, I don't want to see him standing in the pocket for too long.

Dave Clarke: But, yeah, I, I, I do think, I have a, I have a great respect, honestly, a great respect for both sets of teams. It's a little difficult because And I think, Bobby, you may even feel this way, too, is we watched so many of the guys that they mentioned. Like, we watched so fucking many of the guys we mentioned, mainly because you can't really name any good Patriots prior to 2001, but it's because those guys were all fucking unbelievable, you know?

Dave Clarke: And I have, I have genuine game tape in my head of watching the Rodney Harrison's of the world, of watching the Tom Brady's of the world, of watching the West Walkers or the Julian Edelman's of the world. Same, same thing. So, uh, you know. That being said, I think I have this kind of built in reverence for this Patriots team, which I was expecting, uh, but Uh, that being said, yeah, I mean, [01:25:00] Bobby, your team's sink or swim too, like if you're not, if you're not putting up 40 plus yard throws on every down, then I don't know what you're doing.

Dave Clarke: But I like it, you went all in, you know, and that's how you are, and that's what we love about you. So, I have a great reverence and respect for both your teams, honestly. I really enjoyed building my team because I liked the DNA that I was able to put together on the team, but yeah, it's gonna, those would be three really good games.

Dave Clarke: Bob, 

Bob Kelly: I, so I, I, I think we'd struggle against the Bears that's looking over these teams. It would either. Just because when you see every year in the NFL, 

Dave Clarke: It's just because of Cleo Mack and Julius Peppers. That's the biggest thing. Everyone went like, holy shit. 

Bob Kelly: Well, it's like, but like you said, bro, it's your offense versus our defense.

Bob Kelly: It's like, you have the power offense and I got the finesse defense. And that's what we're going for, because if I'm being honest, if I set my team up to beat anyone, It's the fucking Patriots. That's for fucking sure. That's what I was [01:26:00] going for, is we're 

Dave Clarke: trying to be I think that might be the most entertaining game to watch.

Dave Clarke: It would be the Pats versus the Cowboys all the time because It's a throw fest, right? It's a modern day NFL game. Like, it's full on. There's gonna be four handoffs across both teams in that game. So, that would be a lot of 

Bob Kelly: fun, I think. Well, when it comes to Mike and Ray's team, man, that's where I was at, man.

Bob Kelly: And the big thing I think that we would struggle with, with the Pats, is obviously Fuckin Tom Brady. That's, that's, that's what it comes down to against that team, you know, because I really think our offense would, would be able to beat your guys defense, just because, like I said, we have the weapons, and if, if push comes to shove, you guys decide to shut down all three of them, even though Bill's all about only shutting down one.

Bob Kelly: Uh, you shut down all three of them, I still have Emmitt Smith in the backfield that we can technically still hand it off to with Moose leading the way. So you know, that would be Emmitt, but then we 

Rayshawn Buchanan: still got the 88 [01:27:00] clubs on the outside. I 

Dave Clarke: think, I think the thing about it is like, I think the thing that you can see with that all time Patriots team once it's laid out in front of you is it's the scariest group.

Dave Clarke: For me, on either side of the ball, with the obvious exception of Brady, the scariest group is that linebacker core for the Pats. And I think that, I think that the way that Bobby has his Dallas team set up, I'm not sure that the linebackers could impact the game as much as they're usually able to impact the game because of the kind of wide receivers that Bobby has, because all their breaking routes are going to happen at the 20, the 20 yards away from the line of scrimmage, you know what I mean?

Dave Clarke: Like, Michael Irvin's not even taking a corner route until he's 20 yards away from the fucking line of scrimmage, so. 

Bob Kelly: Well, and it's like, even if Even if you do focus on them too, that means all your corners and safeties are on the out, and then we still got Mr. Reliable Jayson Witton that you can throw those 10 yard dumps onto.

Dave Clarke: I think what would happen though, and I think, because I think the x factor we're not talking about is that Belichick and as far as like, because they just, that is the X fact, correct. They just mentioned that [01:28:00] where it's like, I think what they would do, quite honestly, like you're saying like, oh, they would just take it away by doing this.

Dave Clarke: I don't think so. I think what they would do is they, I think you would see the Patriots offense on the field for like 80% of that game. That's what I think would happen. , I think Brady would just be like, I'm gonna score a touchdown when I'm ready. Like, I think, 'cause I saw him do that for years, you know, just years and years.

Dave Clarke: Like I just like. That's how the Chiefs won a Super Bowl this year, and I think they took it from the Patriots playbook, where it's like, Pavel Holmes is on the field as long as he wants to be on the fucking field. You know what I mean? Like, those drives are 10 15 fucking minutes long of game time, and I think that's probably what they would do.

Dave Clarke: I think he would just have Tom Brady beat you, and I think he'd probably have Tom Brady beat me too. That's just the way it is. We're trying to kill him, that's the only difference. The Bears are just trying to murder Tom Brady. He'd probably just send one of his clones in. You know, right after that, uh, that he's been paying for for years or maybe he'd use some of the bones that he shaved off his jawline to, uh, to, to, you know, inject it right back in.

Dave Clarke: Oh my god, right. 

Bob Kelly: Yeah. 

Dave Clarke: But otherwise, I mean, it is [01:29:00] difficult, and I, you know. I, it would mean it's a closer three teams than I thought it was gonna be, but it really is difficult to go meet Stom Brady, bill Belichick, . 

Rayshawn Buchanan: But I, I, I'd like to, I mean, obviously it's obviously hypothetical, which makes it so fun, but like, I would love to see Gronk block against single Terry.

Rayshawn Buchanan: Yeah. Or like, that's, 

Dave Clarke: that's the whole thing, right? When you're looking at those matchups, what 

Rayshawn Buchanan: I'm saying, like, because he's not, he's not throwing, it's so fun. Yeah. He's not throwing a Singletary off the club, you know, as, as bro would say. So, that, that would be a nice, a nice battle to, to see you know, and it's like, once again, hence who's Hall Jones gets to, to Tom and, and his, and his career for that night, like, you know, it's like, you know what I'm saying?

Rayshawn Buchanan: So, you know, can William McGinnis stop Emmitt Smith at the two yard line? You know, that, that's what we want to see. 

Bob Kelly: He'd probably, he'd probably hold him. And then, you know. Um, would Sid Luckman's career long pass? I'm 

Dave Clarke: curious. He was actually known as the best long passer of his generation. I would just like that.

Dave Clarke: I would just like that. It doesn't answer 

Bob Kelly: the question. It doesn't [01:30:00] answer the question. 

Dave Clarke: Well, I mean, you know, he's a, he's, I don't, I, it's a difficult thing to look up as far as like the, the, uh, the kind of staff that they were putting, but let me look here. Uh, 85 yards. 86 yards. 86 yards. 

Bob Kelly: Alright. Alright. I guess I'm the asshole.

Bob Kelly: Okay. 

Dave Clarke: No, no, I mean, it's okay. I just, I think, I do What, what is the Gale Sayers? Yeah, right. Uh, the different errors. But I think that, I think that the difficult part with this is you have to We did have the rule of like, the eras don't matter, because they would matter up until the fuckin 90s, right? Like, the kind of athletes that you have over the last 20 years, the guys that played before them aren't competing with them.

Dave Clarke: Like, it's just, there's just no way, like, especially from the pool that you're pulling from. But I wonder if those guys born in this era, you know what I mean, like it's, you end up getting into that, into the weeds with those conversations and you're just sort of like, well, just, just pick your best guys, I think.

Dave Clarke: I did, I do see the humor in the Sid Luckman [01:31:00] pick because the Bears have not, never had a good quarterback. Uh, I was this close to making a Jay Cutler because I think he's the most talented Bears quarterback I ever saw. Obviously, he had some issues, uh, with his brain. That's 

Bob Kelly: so sad. That's 

Dave Clarke: so sad. Well, is it though?

Dave Clarke: Because I think Jay Cutler would be a top 10 QB. He was really good. He was good. Yeah. He was good. I, I, like, I, I think that the reason we remember Jay in the way that we do is twofold. One is he had sort of a fuck it attitude about a lot of things. And two, he quit in the NLC Championship game against Aaron Rodgers in the Packers.

Dave Clarke: He fucking quit. Right. And like, that was when he was dead to me. Like, that was, watch it, like, I was, I was sitting in fucking basements in Massachusetts being like, Yelling at my friends, like he's got a bigger fucking arm than Tom Brady. I'll tell you that much. Like I was fucking screaming, you know, for Jay Cutler.

Dave Clarke: He did. He did. Yeah, he did. Yeah. And I was yelling for Jay Cutler and quite frankly, that, oh, that like after 2010, probably like, oh yeah, probably 13 to 15 Bears Squad was sick. Like, we had a lot of [01:32:00] really good fuckin players, you know, and I really thought we were gonna win a Super Bowl that year when we were, when we were, uh, runnin runnin away with it in the, in the NFC.

Dave Clarke: All Cutler had to do was not pussy out against Aaron Rodgers, and to have him beat Aaron Rodgers as well, uh, that, that, that's sorta, and, but I will say this, like, Aaron Rodgers got one Super Bowl and he almost lost to our backup QB in the NFC Championship game. It was pretty close. I blacked out on, uh, Mr.

Dave Clarke: Boston's vodka that night. And, um, uh, broke up with my girlfriend, Mr. Boston Bogda, broke up with my girlfriend at the time and punched a hole in the wall of my dorm room and, uh, woke up. Uh, the following day and had to find out who won and who lost. I had a good idea who won and who lost the game because of my condition.

Dave Clarke: Apparently I was screaming Bears D at a set of commercials. But I have no memory of this whatsoever. Uh, but we were young men, we were in college when that, when that NSC Championship game happened. And I will say, I think Jay Cutler was talented, but yeah, he, he died to me that day. I was never going to forgive him for that.

Dave Clarke: I wanted that whole team blown up once that happened, but he was pretty talented. He really was pretty talented. He was good in Denver. But yeah, obviously the [01:33:00] memes, the memes don't help, the Smokin Jay memes don't help. Yeah, let's be honest, he's kind of a fucking tool. Like, that's the problem with Jay.

Rayshawn Buchanan: The only day he was happy, was the day he signed that 120 million dollar 

Dave Clarke: extension. But we had, we were in that position, we had to fuck. No, no, I know, I 

Rayshawn Buchanan: get it, but I'm saying like, you never see a smile on a sideline, never. They get to the press conference, you know, congrats on the, I mean, Grant, I had to fuck a smile too.

Rayshawn Buchanan: I 

Dave Clarke: don't know, he just, the thing is, is I think he had all the talent in the world, he just wasn't enough of a competitor, you know what I mean? If you put him right next to Tom Brady, I think if they did a Prime to Prime Combine, and you didn't know who those guys were, every single person that watched them play would tell you, would say that Jay Culler was a better QB.

Dave Clarke: But that's a ludicrous fucking thing to say once you compare their careers, right? So, you know, the brain matters. The, the, like what you do, what you do above the neck fucking matters. That's, that was sort of the lesson of the Jay Culler era. And we'll see, you know, we'll see what happens. 

Dave Clarke: Bears have never had a good life lesson.

Rayshawn Buchanan: Bears have never had a good [01:34:00] QB. His numbers now, like he threw, he still threw for 35, 000 yards. Head over to 200sX Sounds like. 

Dave Clarke: I think he's more fun and talented than Troy Aikman, I'll tell you that much. 

Bob Kelly: Good, there's better stats than Troy Aikman. There's better stats than Troy Aikman. That's the thing man, I mean 

Dave Clarke: it's such a weird thing.

Dave Clarke: It's such a weird thing, it's like, I don't really want to defend Jay Cutler, but like, you have to win. As a QB in the NFL, you gotta win. Otherwise, you don't matter. At the end of the day, the way that we measure the metric of good quarterbacks means that Trent Dilfer is a better quarterback than Jay Culler, even though he isn't, but he is.

Dave Clarke: You know what I mean? So, that's where it is. You know, that's, those, them's the breaks. You know, sorry, dude. Uh, Dan Marino doesn't get talked about anymore. When, when we were kids, people used to still talk about Dan Marino. Like, people used to say, Montana, Uh, fuckin Johnny Unitas, fuckin Dan Marino, like these names would be the ones kind of circling around before we, we visited that era of, of Breeze Manning Brady, right?

Dave Clarke: That was always, it was, Marino was always in the conversation. Now, you never hear his fuckin name mentioned anymore. You just don't. And, is he as [01:35:00] talented as Joe Montana and Tom Brady? Probably. But he didn't win. That's, you know, it's, it's a, it's a, it's a tough It's a tough road. They're all millionaires. I don't feel bad for them.

Dave Clarke: So, for myself, uh, for the Real B. K. Bob Kelly and his all time Dallas Cowboys team, including, uh, Yeah, uh, for, uh, for, for, I'm just kidding. He'd be, he would be a really good nickel corner. I'm just fucking with you. Uh, for, uh, Hollywood Ray Sean Buchanan and Michael Marcangelo and their all time Patriots team.

Dave Clarke: They should have just said Tom Brady and stopped drafting, but here we are. For myself and the all time Chicago Bears, even if my quarterback has some problematic views about, uh, equality, uh, it has been missing the point, and we'll be back with, uh, with this series, I think, where we all, I think we should draw names out of a hat maybe and just pick random ass teams and do this draft again, because I had a lot of fun.

Dave Clarke: Thanks for listening, everybody.