April 22, 2021

Drafting The Dream 90's NBA Team (NO MICHAEL JORDAN)

Drafting The Dream 90's NBA Team (NO MICHAEL JORDAN)

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On this episode of Missing The Point: we once again head back in the DK's Time Machine and redraft the NBA from 1990 and 1999, to see which of our two teams of NBA nerds can put together the most dominant team of arguably the most prolific period in the history of the NBA.

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Transcript
Craig D'Alessandro:

On this episode of missing the point, we once again head back in the decades Time Machine and redraft the NBA from 1990 and 1999. To see which of our two teams of NBA nerds can put together the most dominant team of arguably the most prolific period in the history of the NBA. This is missing the point, Episode 55. But it's all relative.

Dave Clarke:

Welcome to all the adoring fans of missing the point to today's 1990s Fantasy basketball draft. It's self explanatory, it's in the name, we're going to split the two usual teams up and we're going to have a redraft to fantasy teams of the best players of the 1990s. And then a six man and a coach. And they're going to explain to me why their team is better and whoever does a better job of that wins the contest. I'm your host, the man with the plan, who is his own biggest fan DK sizzle, Dave Clark, I have the pride, the privilege Nay, the pleasure of introducing you to the finest group of podcasters this side of the Mississippi Delta, the pride of New England, the entire group of sexy soothsayers that make up missing the point. I'm gonna introduce everyone First up we have Hollywood rayshawn Buchanan, a man who recently suffered the worst broken ankles since AI crossed up tyloo rayshawn. If you had six hours to spend a million dollars, what would you spend it on?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

In this podcast of numbers, so we can all get paid.

Dave Clarke:

Oh, wow, promotion for the podcast. Really altruistic response. That's right. That's really nice. Yeah, man. I doubt anyone's gonna say anything that nice for I think everyone should have ended with you. Because I think everyone's gonna say really selfish and horrible things now especially Mike. Anyway, Next up, we have his teammate Broadway Joe Malkin, who lives in a house with his wife and kids. We frequently do hear shots of Mommy, who is that man? And I don't know, honey. I've called the police and stuff like that. But when he's recording, it's neither here nor there. So Joe, same question. $1,000,000.24 hours? How do you spend it? Well,

Joe Malkin:

I would take $20 at the beginning give myself a haircut or go get one because I need one best Really?

Dave Clarke:

Is there a reason you're not currently getting a haircut? Because you don't have $20? Because I feel like that's easily confronted obstacle. I'll loan you the 20 bucks.

Joe Malkin:

anybody listening?

Unknown:

Give me 25

Joe Malkin:

I have 6 million but I need 20 bucks. That's how rich people work. Right? I would probably put it in the bank for my family to use when I inevitably die before all of them.

Dave Clarke:

All right, Joe has stolen the most boring possible answer to the question but the most practical at the same time because it things like that do accrue interest, maybe put a little in an IRA a mutual fund. Those are words I've heard. All right. Coming up next, switching over to the other team, we have the deepest and longest friendship inside of missing the point. That's right. It's the dynamic duo of Mike Mark Angelo and crushing corps lights. Mike. Utah drink a local alcoholic beverage How the heck are you man? How are you spending that million dollars?

Michael Marcangelo:

I mean, it'd be a lot of Coors lights dude. I probably I don't know. I'm a really I'm a really avid golfer Bobby knows this so I might invest in a course you know, make that money back but definitely would not give it to the show or to any of you.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, no, I know that. For sure. My soul Bobby, did you like the bait and switch there? Did you think that you were going to be the course like can?

Rob Kelly:

I did. I did think you thought I was talking about Okay, you really took a sharp left turn on

Dave Clarke:

talking about your deep and adoring friendship with the blank. But really it was I buried the lede. I've been outdueled by course I can cry and I have your little blurb be ready for yours. I am. Alright, lastly, but certainly not leastly. We have the real BK Bob Kelly, who famously once pulled a child from a burning building on I'm sorry, I read that wrong. He wants threatened to burn down a building full of children. That paints a really different picture, Bobby, you've had a lot of time to think everyone else has already answered. 1 million bucks. What do you do go

Rob Kelly:

I was gonna spend it on weed, but I forgot.

Dave Clarke:

Oh, wow. We're cutting that out.

Michael Marcangelo:

Just kidding.

Rob Kelly:

I figured if everyone anyone would appreciate it. Yeah, I

Dave Clarke:

just say yeah, no, I do appreciate it. I'm fine right now. But I also think I also get so much time to think right there. But I like I like there's a solid answer. It was short term memories a bit. Did you like my Do you like my hunters? Joe?

Rob Kelly:

I did like your Hunter. It caught me off guard. Not gonna lie. Yeah, no guard a lot here.

Dave Clarke:

You know a lot about oral sex. So

Rob Kelly:

I understood that reference. I did get that.

Dave Clarke:

producing our show today is the lovely, beautiful and talented Craig D'Alessandro. Craig, you're sitting here. Everyone else has spent their money frivolously I want to know what do you spend the million dollars on

Unknown:

I would get the Best camper that I could find and go on a cross trip around the country and I'd be on my way there would be a

Rob Kelly:

cross country trip.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Cross trip

Rob Kelly:

across. Yeah, honestly not like not cross.

Unknown:

Cross with you.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah. What are you talking about? Your cross. I'm looking right at you. You look like a fucking Todrick is something all right. Oh boy. So I'm gonna flip it. I'm gonna say john rayshawn or tails. Mike and Bobby are heads. Here we go. It's heads Mike and Bobby choose first. So here's how it's gonna go. They're gonna pick a player. It's positioned lis, they can pick wherever they want. Nobody can pick Michael Jordan. It's not going to be fair. In my opinion. If you pick Michael Jordan, you win the game automatically. He was the best player the 90s he did beat all these other players already. So I think we just need to you can pick him as a GM. No,

Rob Kelly:

so we're gonna we're gonna NBA Live it. We're gonna there's no Michael Jordan. No, Michael Michael Jordan NBA Live.

Dave Clarke:

We couldn't get the rights to his name. We couldn't get the rights to his likeness. You can have anyone else you want. All right. So Mike and Bobby with the first pick in the inaugural MTP era draft. Who do you choose?

Michael Marcangelo:

We're gonna go with 1998 1999 Allen Iverson he averaged 26.8 points a game 4.6 assists per game and 4.9 rebounds per game. I don't know of any better point guard in the 1990s. Bobby How do you feel about this pic?

Rob Kelly:

Yeah, no. So this was one. I'm sure DK you'll be shocked by this. This was all my do. You know my affinity for point guards, and especially ones that can just straight score the basketball. Allen Iverson is the most prolific score that we saw throughout the late 90s, early 2000s. But that late 90s ai before he turned into the pre Madonna of Allen Iverson was just he was unstoppable man and the team that we're going to end up surrounding him with is going to be the team that we all wish AI had his entire career and going to bring maybe in my opinion, one of the more undervalued players of the 90s his first championship, so we're definitely going Allen Iverson pick number one for the MTP draft.

Dave Clarke:

That's a good pick. I feel like I feel like the idea of building a team around Allen Iverson have the potential that Allen Iverson could have had it if he had some players is a good one. But you're also taking a little bit of a punt because I mean, I would think that the 2001 version of Allen Iverson is the peak Allen Iverson not the 99 version. We couldn't get him or you couldn't pick him so you have to go like we just we need AI we speed up need to get him in there this is the idea for the team it might not be the absolute best but you're right he was great. What do you guys think of his first pick Joe and right What do you guys think? Are you guys where are you going to pick them? Where are you going to take on AI?

Joe Malkin:

That wasn't on our list so

Rayshawn Buchanan:

yeah, definitely someone did I did think about I just I didn't have him there at that moment. I mean, obviously I know he was picked in the middle of the 90s he was picked and drafted in 96 obviously as the first overall pick but I mean that that's an excellent pick obviously I think honestly whatever we picked first like you can't go wrong with that but yeah, young AI was a problem so you know I'm sure they'll make worse picks in AI but they started off pretty well.

Dave Clarke:

is a good pay is a good pay. I think an Irish citizen is my all time favorite non Celtic so we're off to a good start here so serpentine serpentine over to the other team for their first pick in the inaugural missing the point error drafting team versus team team sport type game. Who do you guys pick?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Alright, so this one should be you know my show like this one for sure. I'm sure he's gonna have something to say Bobby as well. Actually Dave you might too because you know you guys don't like turns out

Dave Clarke:

we all have a lot of things to say about a lot of things

Rayshawn Buchanan:

right but i mean I'll say well if you let me finish sir No. No, this is where actually is back to back guards are going to be picked first. So we're actually going to go with 1990 Isaiah Thomas, you know, at that time, you know, he won his second ring in a row with Detroit and you know, came off a Finals MVP that year after beating Portland and he was at the peak of his powers at that moment. So you know for a guy that was six feet six one came on to Indiana he was the guy on that team. So yeah, like you know, someone is going to be able to go back and forth the score with Allen Iverson so yeah going with Isaiah Thomas from from 1990 when he was at the height of his powers that's it was was an obvious choice there.

Joe Malkin:

Yeah. 18 18.4 points per game 9.4 assists per game and 3837 minutes a night he was shooting 78% from a line. I mean that he was good from everywhere, a little bit low on the three point percentage and about 31% but it was definitely a facilitator and having won a championship that year. I think it's a no brainer. Yeah, I

Dave Clarke:

mean, it's a good it's a really good pick because the matchup is already interesting, right? Like the Isaiah Thomas type point guard. You know, the classic type point guard like with you know, Put big men around and pick and roll like do all this stuff to the Allen Iverson. I can score from anywhere. Like I'm a freak athlete, I splashed all over the court. It's an interesting matchup and it's also great probably a superior era pick to AI's era because 1990 Isaiah Thomas is coming off that bad boys season. Like, you know, they're like you said they're fresh off a championship like he's surrounded by absolute killers. His mentality is there. He's a nine or 10 year vet at that point, right? Like he's at the peak of his powers, like you said, I mean, against a young, scrappy Hey, I I love this already. What do you guys think? What are you guys think what that pick? Is it all respect across the board and the guard position? And I will say By the way, just sorry to cut you off, Mike. We don't have we're not picking by you know, one through five on the floor here. Just want the listeners at home to know that we did just happen to both pick guards right there. But we can pick anyone pick a coach, you could go to the five now it doesn't matter. So just putting that out there. They just build their team around guards, which is you know, it's a decent point. Go ahead.

Michael Marcangelo:

Yeah, I mean, I feel like you can't go wrong with what the first pick and Isaiah that year, as Rachel said was at the height of his powers. He was he was part you know, part of the part of the bad boys in Detroit. So it's a great pick. I wish I could hit on it. But I don't

Rob Kelly:

Yeah, you got to remember Isaiah Thomas is the reason that was Jordan before Jordan. You know what I mean? He was the guy that no one could be and finally Jordan was able to break through and take them down. But before Jordan came around as Isaiah Thomas was the guy for that two, three years, so yeah, hard to hate on that. He is the original as they call it, point God stuff. Yeah. hard today,

Dave Clarke:

I think and the guy that Jordan seem to respect the most yet, you know, I think he was right there with MJ and since he can't have MJ, it's not not a bad idea to take the next best thing. All right. We're on a pick number two for the mike and Bobbie team who you guys got. Let's see. I want to see these teams develop here.

Michael Marcangelo:

Number two, overall, we're going with the 1998 1999 Tim Duncan, he averaged 23.2 points per game. 12.4 rebounds per game. He was a first team, all NBA and that man, he was a problem then he was a problem for the rest of his career. This is these two players are the type of players that you build a team around.

Rob Kelly:

Yeah. So DK, I'm gonna shout this right back to our talk this past week with unstoppable pick and roll tandems right now what we're setting up is literally the most unstoppable pick and roll tandem in the history of the NBA. You have Tim Duncan, coming out to set a high pick for Allen Iverson. Alright, so now you have this duo that when that pick and roll is ran is going to be unstoppable. You're going to have Duncan shrieking towards the rim. You have Iverson able to create that shot. And also it could be a deadly pick and pop because Duncan can hit that 18 footer he can hit that fish off the backboard. Right so so it's just going to be an unstoppable tandem when we put these two together. If you were to pick one guy to put without Iverson throughout his career, I would have picked him Duncan, I think that would have been an unstoppable because not only are you counteracting Allen Iverson's Madonna mentality where he thinks he's just the guy with this Tim Duncan, who is the ultimate team player, but their games just coincide with each other so well. So Tim Duncan 100% second pick in a draft so

Dave Clarke:

just to get an idea of what you know very well painted right there that pick and roll you're gonna run but are you playing Duncan at the four Is he the power forward?

Michael Marcangelo:

Yeah, he's the fourth.

Dave Clarke:

Okay, cool. So you might go a little bigger we might you know what, I see your priority you might not but it seems like you're prioritizing speed fundamentals, athleticism, you know ability to hit big shots like we've got we're covering the bases here. This is pretty good. All right. So you guys so far Mike and Bobby have Allen Iverson at the one point guard position. Tim Duggan at the four Let's shoot it back over to the other to the other team. Who you guys got a second. Tell me about your team?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Well before before we went to pick but Denton dammit this was a Bobby pick. Wasn't it Bobby?

Unknown:

It was

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, I knew I was gonna pick him.

Unknown:

I was

Rayshawn Buchanan:

definitely was gonna be next but I was actually going to pick the year before so 97 doctor because he came in and right away it was as I know they wanted a championship that year 1999 that was a locker the lockout shortened season but he came out the gates firing like I think it was like 2111 like right away and there's a player that played on the Phoenix Suns his name was I think it was running was but his nickname was hot rod Williams and he gave that man no business in the playoffs. I mean, worked his ass from from beginning to end. So he knows all too well about how good Tim Duncan was from the jump. So if you don't believe me go back and watch and say bonus so that is awesome. But not so fast. Mr. Kelly and Mr. Mark Angelo. Me and Mr. mccullen have a package just for you. So we talked about you know you guys talking about pick a role and having the most unstoppable picker role and you know, it was that was that was good. That was I think that was a pretty good pick. There were Mr. Tim Duncan, Mr. Fundamental but We're going to go back just a few years before that so I said we picked it now we're going to go with 1994 came a larger one so that was the pic there so you know you know Joe if you got the numbers you could run it down but I said Kane was the guy that we you know thought about for our second pic there

Joe Malkin:

I got them all and we're going with him in the 9394 season because he in 80 games shot 53% from the floor 42% from three point and 72% from the free throw line so consistent across the board with 27.3 points per game. And mind you that year not only did he win the NBA championship but he was also the Finals MVP that year also the NBA most valuable player he was an all star literally go down the list and I believe Yeah, he was and he was consistent all the way through his career and this was in the hype had one of his best seasons of all time and you're right i mean that that pick and roll I mean we're basically just running pick and rolls all day on both teams at

Dave Clarke:

this point it's really good pick because you're actually seeing a culture develop already both of these teams because Bobby and Mike have a young scrappy team they have you know as much as you might think of Tim Duncan is a veteran they picked you know a young just in the league basically smoking everybody nobody knew he was gonna be like this fun to watch this good Tim Duncan young slashing scrappy on I was in pre you know him embarrassing himself press conferences, whatever. And then you have this other team this if we're playing twos, this would be a great twos, you know, because he got Hakeem Olajuwon and Isaiah Thomas who are both like 10 year vets when they get picked by these two guys. They're both you know, I was one is gonna be what 3132 by this point when you guys picked him, so he's in there he knows all the tricks of the trade. He's not gonna let these young guns get over on them. I love this matchup already I can't wait what do you guys think of it?

Rob Kelly:

Alright, love came I do like he was on my list of guys I pitch to Mike I really do like who came I do think that we have the perfect Saturday counteract him when we got there.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, you're playing with the five right? I came along. Yeah, yep, yep. Alright, just build in your little I'm building your little team over here. I want to get I think we're

Rob Kelly:

gonna have someone to counteract him however I came Olajuwon was is one of the greatest centers in NBA history. I mean, there's no doubting that he couldn't get the championship. I mean, there's a reason this man is not involved in this competition until MJ retired. However, like I came to dream, man, you can't hate on him. You know, it's impossible, best defensive center, one of the best defensive centers all time, one of the best scoring centers of all time. So what else could you really ask for? You know,

Dave Clarke:

Mike, you're happy with Tim donkey didn't get and came Olajuwon? What do you think? What do you guys is this weekend? Where you going to pick him? Yeah, well, it

Michael Marcangelo:

was one of the guys that that Bobby had had originally pitched we've been going back and forth on this for a little while. But I think as it's currently constituted this matchup is His mercy. Right? So I don't really know who has the edge yet. I understand why they picked him. I know why Bobby wanted to but I think our five is going to combat is going to combat him like resent

Dave Clarke:

your next pick. Are you about to pick your center?

Michael Marcangelo:

No,

Rob Kelly:

not at night.

Dave Clarke:

Tell me your next pick them.

Michael Marcangelo:

So, you know, Bobby, we're doing the pick and roll but we need that shooter. We just need someone on the outside just to make sure just for a knockdown shot whenever you need. So number three overall is going to go to 1993 1994 Reggie Miller are averaged 19.9 points per game. He shot 50% from the field 42% from threes at a 90% free throw percentage.

Dave Clarke:

100% shit talk percentage 100%

Michael Marcangelo:

this man was

Dave Clarke:

Reggie Miller on the same team.

Unknown:

Well it

Michael Marcangelo:

man you know, this man was a certified G and a bonafide stud. rayshawn and you cannot teach you that.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yes, right. I like it. I like it. You like that using

Rob Kelly:

your own quotes again? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, no, Reggie Miller man. So I only said Michael Jordan got me into basketball. Reggie Miller catmint this man, not only are we gonna have the best score with Allen Iverson, we're gonna have the best for that you've ever seen. But now also, we're gonna have the best knockdown three shooter maybe in NBA history. It's close to reality. But add on top of that the question is factor and that shit talking factor. You can't miss with Reggie Miller man, the bloodlines run deep. We got Cheryl Miller, obviously one of the best women's basketball players ever. So Reggie Miller is a no brainer to me here. One of my favorite basketball players ever. I'll never forget random like throwback here. He had a half court shot. This is one of my first earliest memories of basketball. He hit a half core shot against the bolt once. That was just it was the most insane game winner I've ever seen in my life. And since then, I had an affinity for Reggie Miller. So it's a no doubter here, with Iverson, Duncan and Miller. You know, even if they collapse in, even if they collapse in on the pick and roll, kick it out, man. Kick it out to Reggie and he's knocking that shot down. Okay,

Dave Clarke:

I have some questions. Have some questions just to get kind of an idea where you guys are going for here because, you know, you have 2021 knowledge of the game of basketball so you can have Reggie Miller it's your team you can have in play however you want. Is he taking the volume of threes that Reggie Miller took? Or are you fully aware of the fact that like Steph Curry is a thing so you bet on as percentages and not as volume and you go Reggie you shoot your the green light every single time you're in this spot this button? Yes, but are you working the ball to him? and shooting to that degree? And do you not think that AI is maybe not the guy because like look on the on paper right now just on scoring, you guys are gonna score 250 points a game like your you absolutely went for scores like across the entire board, which I love it. I absolutely respect it. But you're going for a little bit of a Kyrie harden thing when you have Miller the way I think you want to play him and Allen Iverson, do you think that is going to be a chemistry issue?

Rob Kelly:

I don't Yeah. Because Reggie is one of the best movers without the ball in NBA history. So he doesn't need to have the ball he never did when he was in Indiana. He wasn't you know what I mean? He wasn't the point forward because that didn't even exist. What are you

Dave Clarke:

sure that Iverson is not just going to shoot off the dribble instead of going to him? No. But

Rob Kelly:

at the same time, I'm okay. I'm shooting I go to the ER, I get what you're saying. You know, I get what you're saying. But I'm okay. Because I was in is the high volume shooter. That's what he was. That's how he scored his points. But at the same time, you can't double team if you're going to double team irisin that leaves no or open if you're going to fade towards Miller to prevent that shot. And guess what? Now Iverson has that driving lane and Duncan has a path to the rip. So no matter what you do at this point with this team, they're gonna score. So that's what we were thinking 100%

Dave Clarke:

What do you guys think Ranger? You scared about that? Pick you mad about that? Pick? What do you think?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I mean, I love Reggie Miller. He definitely was on the list for us. We talked about that. before the show. I mean, obviously, you know, Reggie, is a beast. But me. I mean, to me, I don't I mean, I know you brought up saying that the 20 $21. But I felt like this is a 90 show we're doing the time for so it's not something where he was going to be a high volume shooter he may take for it, he may tell you.

Dave Clarke:

That's some constant again, though. So you can like it's their team. So they're going to do, they're going to draft the coach to and they're gonna be like, this is what we're gonna tell Reggie Miller to do. Because again, we're all going to have a big argument about whose team is gonna win as much as we've all been. We've been really nice to about everyone's predictions. That's all well and good now because we respect all these players. But after when you draft the whole team, you guys are gonna have to talk me into who's gonna win, so that someone can win the whole contest. So yeah, you that's like, that's part of it. So you can do the same thing with your team. You know, you can say, yeah, you can say like, Oh, we got Hakeem Olajuwon. But I bet if I told him chemo lodge want to shoot from like five more feet out. I bet he could figure it out. I bet he could. You know, I bet he could do it again.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Oh, yeah. I mean, yeah, you know what he's gonna do in the post? You know, Tim Duncan found out too. Now, but I like that, right. No, but no, I mean, I mean, Reggie, no matter whatever would have been awesome. Obviously. You know, the next found out more than anybody else. How could that man was? So yeah, let's say you actually running off screens? I said, Bobby's absolutely right. No one did that better than him in that era. You know,

Unknown:

Ray Allen, I would argue I'm

Rayshawn Buchanan:

saying like late later. Yeah, but it's definitely I feel like it's definitely Reggie and then Ray at that time, and then yeah, you know, as he got older than it became, you know, Ray Allen Ray was still so good at when he got old though, too. I will say for sure. For sure. For sure. I mean, he kept us up in phenomenal shape. We really only ever had to deal with Reggie. Right? Yeah, I know. Right? You know, so he did his thing. So yeah, like, I love the Reggie pack. I said definitely someone that can get buckets whenever you need it. And he's gonna knock down fruit those two. So

Dave Clarke:

I mean, they're a great scoring team that they're these guys are assembling right now. I feel like you guys are going a little bit more gritty. You know, a little bit more like who can dig themselves out in a seven game series type thing. They're going like high volume. They're building like a 90s Golden State Warriors over there. All right, I love it. I'm with it. So what do you guys, what are you guys gonna do for your third pick? I'm so excited.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Oh, what a little more versus all the time, you know, you know, this is a guy that could kind of play the two or three at this time. You know, he was about 6768 and had a great handle. You know, great guy. Great, great vision. wasn't the best defender but definitely to score with the best of them. And you know, what's a triple double waiting to happen? So we're gonna go with 9495 Penny Hardaway. That's a two to two position. So now we got Isaiah at the one we got Penny, who's a bigger version of a visor, basically dropping dropping dimes behind his head, Duncan or whoever needs to, he needs to dunk on so you know, a TD watch out because he teamed up as good as He always was. He can never jump like that. So Pennycook catches at the rim if you needed to, and then you know if Duncan steps up, whoop, let me drop that dime off. So Hakeem yam that and one and you know, a team's gonna get that and one's gonna have to get that fruit though. So yeah, so I said, just go a little more versus a little more pure talent. So we had a little grit and grind with the first two, but now, you know, get to a guy that's just like just raw ability and just like, Yo, I'm gonna give you the ball, get out the way and I'm gonna get the job done. And it was a Big Daddy Kane

Joe Malkin:

at two guys in the one and two, who can not only both happen butterball is going to score one that averaged 18 points game in the year that we selected them. And now Penny Hardaway were 21 points a game in the year that we took them here but raise, right, he's gonna go up over Tim Duncan every single time. So but seven, seven, almost seven and a half assists per game and again we have guys that are good scores. They're not the greatest but they're consistent and they're wild and I just pulled Bobby there and they're gonna get the job done. I

Dave Clarke:

think it's a good pick. I again, I think you stand on that kind of. It's the 1990s grit and grinding, you know, we're gonna like get a guy in at the two that can, like you said size up Ray, you know, he's kind of a swing man in that sense. Like he's long. He's six, seven, but he kind of plays like he's a little bit even a little bit taller than that he can go to the hoop. He can do all this stuff. I think you're totally right. I think it's I don't know, is that true about his defending? Was he not that great? I

Rayshawn Buchanan:

mean, that's not really that's not something he was known for.

Dave Clarke:

I don't know if he was ever painted with the like, he doesn't defend brush. Right.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

But I'm saying that wasn't if you said Okay, tell me about Penny Hardaway. Like the first thing to talk about little penny. The first thing to talk about is as his athleticism and then maybe third or fourth, you're going to speak about his defensive prowess. So what is someone who was going to lock you down so to speak like that wasn't his role on Orlando team. So

Dave Clarke:

he was also a bit but he was a big game guy to like a big player, right? He was like he had like 30 plus points in big games. Like this is the only I guess

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I guess version Millis Indiana team. And they smack them that year to go to the finals. So pretty easily actually.

Dave Clarke:

For those who Fortunately, I

Rayshawn Buchanan:

don't know. Whatever it was, it was it was the year before you left because yeah, cuz I

Rob Kelly:

missed those free throws, right. That was that year. Yeah.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

And yeah, Anderson misidentified.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah. And then because Yeah, because they were never any good ever again after it magically or after Shaq left the match.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yep. All because they didn't want to pay him what allows him when he was getting paid, who could have come up in this show, but what he just did but couldn't come up?

Dave Clarke:

He could get picked. So who knows? It's a good team. And I think I honestly do think that he meshes really well with Isaiah and he came I think they those guys can get in a room and decide what kind of basketball they're gonna play. What do you guys think? how they do their it's good pick.

Unknown:

A good pick.

Rob Kelly:

I just the first one. I'm gonna say that I think there are better guys on the board that could have been picked at this point. Granted, I don't hate on Penny preinjury Penny so so right this was this was the he has he ended up going. So this is the version of Penny you would want because this is when he was at the height of his powers for sure. Not to steal a line from right. But yeah, I liked the pic. I do think there was better guys left on the board. But

Unknown:

I don't hate it.

Michael Marcangelo:

I agree with him.

Dave Clarke:

It's starting to take shape here. Little known trivia about Penny Hardaway he actually played with Shaq again.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

And then the Oh 708 heat, I believe Oh, that's right. Yeah, I

Dave Clarke:

just remember that so clearly, because I was like, this is like a sad reunion. Shaq still good. Right.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Exactly. It literally sat graduated like weeks later the Phoenix winning.

Rob Kelly:

That was the corpse of Shaq by the end of that season. Oh,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

that was just last All Star year though. Oh, 809. That was

Dave Clarke:

the corpse the shag the quarter. Shaq was

Rob Kelly:

big shamrock. shamrock bro.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

He was he was like he was a combination of me and Craig on the court by that time. I'll just say,

Unknown:

I'll just say I'm in a great time though. He was

Dave Clarke:

he was like, I'll just go get paid one more year like whatever.

Rob Kelly:

Remember, he was supposed to remember we got him everyone was like, oh,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

for the first 25 games again. It just it you know, has caught up to him. Unfortunately,

Dave Clarke:

he's not moving great these days. I worry about him and

Rayshawn Buchanan:

neither am I. So I understand

Dave Clarke:

why you broke your ankle and

Rayshawn Buchanan:

he just got bad.

Dave Clarke:

He just it's not like he doesn't even get fatter. He gets like wired into the world more like, like he's never gonna die. Eventually he'll just be like the size of an island. But like still doing fun, cool shit on the internet.

Unknown:

Going into middle of marsh. Yes. And

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Mike knows where I'm going with this. I'm here for it.

Dave Clarke:

And also, I'm sort of surprised that Shaq has not yet been picked. He's still on the board. I feel like if I was on one of your teams, most I know he's not there yet in the 90s but to me most dominant senate of all time. I don't think anyone had anything on him when he was in his prime really surprised he's still on the board. But that's me and I'm not doing the pics. So let's go back over. Just to recap, Mike and Bobby have Allen Iverson at the point guard position. Reggie Miller shooting guard. They have not picked a three yet they've not picked a small forward Tim Duncan's power forward. They have not picked the center yet. JOHN Ray Shawn have Isaiah Thomas at the one Penny Hardaway the two that are on a small 40 they don't have the power for it yet and they got Hakeem Olajuwon at the five Okay, guys, give us your fourth pick. Tell us his name. Tell us a little ditty about him.

Michael Marcangelo:

Yeah, man. Like we got a lot of good soldiers, but sometimes you need an Admiral. So we're gonna go with the 1993 1994 David Robinson average 29.8 points per game 10.7 rebounds per game 4.8 assists per game, three blocks and two steals per game. There is no better five for this team that we're building than the admiral Dave Robinson

Rob Kelly:

yet though. So this man, we're going to insert him right into the middle of this team. And it's, first of all, we're reuniting the best 455 combination the NBA has ever seen. And David Robinson and Tim Duncan. Not only that, but we're giving Tim Duncan, a version of David Robinson that he was never able to have before. And that's prime, David Robinson. All right. This man in his prime was unstoppable at the five on offense, and was by far the best defensive setter in the NBA. This man averaging three blocks a game is unheard of, you know what I mean? Like, that doesn't happen. So now we're going to have the best offensive team in the league. But we're also going to have a team that you're going to take not to like start this argument already. When I say Thomas, Penny Hardaway. And who's the last one, I keep a large one, and it came. Alright, first of all, who came and David Robinson? Hell of a matchup. All right. But Isaiah Thomas and anfernee Hardaway aren't getting any of this yet, because

Dave Clarke:

my brain then goes to like, well, who's their power? Four, they haven't picked their power forward yet. Don't worry, we'll get there. We'll

Rob Kelly:

get that we'll get there. We'll get there. But I'm just saying no one drives on David Robinson. Alright, you will always think twice about driving on David Robinson, especially when he also has Tim Duncan to his side. So we're reuniting these Twin Towers. David Robinson, man, the admiral come on board. And so listen,

Dave Clarke:

I think it's a decent pick. But I feel like you guys maybe went on nba.com. And you were like 90s basketball players sort by scoring. Like if he's got 30 plus points. He's on the team. Like, it's like everyone can score.

Michael Marcangelo:

Like, all your guys are scores. They'll have the ability to score but can do other things if needed. And this I mean,

Dave Clarke:

if they all got their average points per game, you guys, were even drafting your last player you would be scoring 140 points a game.

Rob Kelly:

Tomorrow draft.

Dave Clarke:

So great. I think it's a way to go. I think it's totally the way to go. I think that the other team so far to me, seems like the good guys, because I think that they're going to be scrappy, and they're going to have to like really work to beat this like fucking steroids scoring machine that you guys are building because nothing else matters with points apparently. I do agree that David Robinson was a fantastic defender. I totally get that. You're absolutely right. But he also scored mad buckets because he was huge. And he was right by the rim all the time. So I think it's good pick. I love David Robinson. I think I totally agree about the tandem. I think they're super cool to watch. I love how he's built. If you pick Gregg Popovich as your coach, though, I feel like you're kind of you've painted yourself into a corner here. But anyway, regardless, what do you guys think of those pics? Well,

Joe Malkin:

I so we hate the pic because it was gonna be our next pick. Our next pick, I don't know if you saw me and race faces the moment he said it, but I literally melt that

Rayshawn Buchanan:

light. Yeah.

Joe Malkin:

So, so no, it's a great pick. Honestly, it is. But you know, Bobby sits here and says, you know, nobody is going to drive on David. David Robinson and even if they do Tim Duncan's right there Well, we're going to call them Nebraska and Oklahoma because Penny Hardaway is just going to fly over these guys. flyover states get it good dad joke, so yeah, better

Unknown:

when you explained.

Joe Malkin:

I know. I know. You get better when you lose bad execution. Right? You want to make the picker.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I'm gonna I'm gonna try this. As you know, Barbie kind of opened the door about the David Robinson thing. And it only allowed I'm gonna say good. I'm gonna respect what the hostess saying. I just read that we do have the neutralizer to to David Robinson. And I said I'll explain further when we get to that point. Are you going to have to next

Dave Clarke:

set again? Is that neutralizer? You're going to draft him next?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

No, no, no, I said undersize already team. I came a larger one.

Unknown:

Oh, you think it's going on? I'm

Rayshawn Buchanan:

good. I'm good. I know. I already know I'm gonna explain later on. Why?

Dave Clarke:

I don't know. That'd be an interesting matchup.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

It would be I saw it happen unless I was playing it then. But the nose kick tells you next we're still still going with the versatile you know, I said Bobby knows about the stars. So I just got is going to be at our three sort of small forward so we're going with the 9394 Scottie Pippen Scottie Pippen was phenomenal the season is you know season when maga Georgia was forced to quote unquote, retire and you know, Pittman just took over even though he did wine in that in that final game, when Tony cook coach hit the game winner gets the next in the conference finals. And he, you know, he was crying like a baby on the sideline. He was awesome that year, he was all star You know, he carried that team to be 55 and 27 minutes, they really were one game away from going to the finals with Scottie Pippen leading that team. So 9394 Scotty was awesome. You know, we finally have our lockdown defender at the three we basically can switch now with Penny and Scottie so that that's where I'm going I want to be as versatile as possible. And you know, just Let our point guy be the guy that we can corner call hide with being Isaiah Thomas. Oh can hide Isaiah, you got penny a six, eight, but also six, eight. So you got him on the 610 611. So now I said we have a pretty big team there but you know acumen logical can go one through five and so can those other two guys so you know just trying to be versatile right now what we pick

Joe Malkin:

guys that can do everything and that's what Scottie Pippen can do. It was just such a great year for Scottie Pippen because he proved that he can do it without Michael Jordan after three straight championships and you know, the first three years of his career were good but he was at his best in this season with again another rebounder so you don't always need a four or five to get your rebounds as he was averaging nine nine a game in the season and 22 points per game and he was also like, like rayshawn just said me he mentioned he was a great defender. I mean he was he had three steals per game so just a good all around basketball player very tough. And I'm prove that he could do it as the leader of a team to

Dave Clarke:

I think it's funny, it's very cohesive the basketball DNA that you guys and criteria that you guys use to select your players. They're all long, they're all athletic. They're all like you said versatile, you know, I know you only give the versatile credit to Scottie and Penny but also like Isaiah Thomas, you can ask him to do a lot of different things Hakeem Olajuwon you can ask him to do a lot of different things and it's all because like they all have inherent athleticism and length like it's a long team you know, they're everybody's everybody on your team plays a little bit with maybe the exception of Isaiah Thomas plays a little bit longer than their body. And I think that's a cool style of basketball and I know what you're going for. I can see it. I'm picturing it similar on the mike and Bobby team, but let's see what this last piece is. What do you guys think? What do you guys think about that? Scottie? Pippen pic I feel like that's big. as big.

Michael Marcangelo:

Yeah, it's a great pic but remember, isn't that the same Scottie that just jumped out in the playoffs?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I brought that up it's true but we're speaking to the totality of the season. He was a dog for majority of that year there's no way that Phil should have gave the ball to cook yeah school coach at the game winner so obviously you know it doesn't get questioned now cuz coach the game winner but you know, Pippa was the guy who you give the ball to the guy in that moment but you know pepper should have been better team and at that moment, but I said overall and that season, let's say it was hard to go against what Scottie did that year and caring your team I said what out the best player of all time up to that point. So

Dave Clarke:

I'm not sure that's Isaiah and Penny and Hakeem are letting Scottie pull some shit like that and either you know to do that's a different group of guys. Like I don't think they're gonna let him pull that shit.

Joe Malkin:

So it doesn't have to be the guy he didn't you know, he doesn't have to be the guy and he can he is

Dave Clarke:

looking at your team. Scotty is kind of the guy on your team. I think like

Rayshawn Buchanan:

no it still be a came sobia came

Joe Malkin:

not not entirely gonna

Dave Clarke:

do it guys guess depends. I guess it depends on the situation. But yeah, it's gonna be a team. You name the guy. It's your team. What do you guys think? So that was a good pick any more words of wisdom on the Scottie Pippen picker you want to just tell us who the three on your team is going to be to counteract them?

Rob Kelly:

I like Scottie, I do like Scottie, I don't know if we're going to go or three next but I we're not going to three.

Michael Marcangelo:

Yeah, or you're a six man next. Yeah,

Rob Kelly:

we're throwing a curveball here.

Michael Marcangelo:

We just want to make sure that everyone has their chance to get it on the action right and we need that general there to control it. So what we're gonna go with that with our six man is a 1991 1992 john Stockton averaged 15 point 8.8 points per game 13.7 assists per game, and three steals per game. Now if there's ever a guy that can come in and make sure that the ship needs if it needs to be right. It can be right it's him. Bobby, why do you love this pic?

Rob Kelly:

So you think about the team. So DK, you already touched on it. You think about this team that we have his scores, you know, I mean, they need to make sure they get the ball. If there's one person in NBA history, who I know is going to make sure that these guys get their shots, open shots, and all stay happy. It's john Stockton, right? Yes, we have the highest volume shooter maybe in NBA history and Allen Iverson, but we know if we take him off the court. JOHN Stockton is coming in. He's going to make sure every other piece gets their gets their points. Not only that, but we can also play Stockton and Iverson together and have Iverson playoff ball. I know he hasn't done that much in his career. He never did it. But if there's any point guard, I feel like he can do it with it is john Stockton. Not only that, but he's a great defender. We need small ball defenders right now. So we got john Stockton coming off playing that defensive energy to so we get multiple things because you always look for six man. What do they bring you off that bench? We got assists. And we got defense coming off the bench. And that's what we're looking for here. So john Stockton.

Dave Clarke:

I got I got a couple questions because now that I look at the entirety of your team, I would argue not in my opinion matters. But it isn't just to help me understand your team. I would argue that john stopped and chemistry wise flow of the game wise would you'd want him to start and if you made this whole speech about the pick and roll without Iverson and Tim Duncan, it's like if you want to run the pick and roll on your currently constituted team, you should probably have john Stockton do it, because he was the best pick and roll point guard ever. So don't you think?

Michael Marcangelo:

Well, we just want to make sure that you don't notice a difference between the starter and the SEC stand like Stockton, you can come in and fill that void. I can play it. We don't want there to be any drop off in competition

Dave Clarke:

or Oh, you think AI off the bench is a crazy thing, though. Like, he could still play like 35 minutes, but like,

Unknown:

as far as

Rob Kelly:

that would. But that's the thing when you think about it, you just added another element that no matter who we start at that one at that point guard position, they can run the same team granted, yes, we're going to be a little more prolific scoring with IRAs and starting that's why we put them there. But at the same time Plan B now we have a plan B was starting to come in and play that point guard position. And it's like nothing ever changed. We're not going to get the same points out of that one position, but that offense is not going to change whatsoever.

Dave Clarke:

I want to hear Joe and Ray's opinion on this but I just will say one thing I completely wholeheartedly disagree that you will ever see in this imagination land john Stockton now on Arizona court at the same time, you will quickly figure out that it has to be one of the other that was that's just my opinion. But because you know you're like Allen Iverson never played off ball there's 100% reason for that was like was nice game. He'd be out everybody which is fine, which is totally fine. I love the eye criticism of his game, but he's like the last guy whatever you want to see with john stocks on the floor, but that's fine. And a plan B that's totally cool. Ray and jogo?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah so love the stock to pick stock them was a dog obviously, like someone's going to shoot a ball. I agree with you, Dave. I think they should have been started. But that's a whole nother topic that went on their team. So it doesn't matter. But I just think that Yeah, start Stockton obviously is gonna get you you know, he's gonna get you those points when it matters. I do think he should have scored a little bit more dirt throughout his career, honestly, but I know you know, obviously he has some others on

Dave Clarke:

taking care of our team. It's fine.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, but it's just like don't those are the only two guys that could really go get it right. So it was like he wasn't he wasn't talking about hornacek getting that what let's talk about like a young Howard Isley getting it like he wasn't he wasn't worried about that. Like they asked him there another Malone that named Jeff Malone. Who could score back in the day, but his glory days with the Washington Bullets, not with the job. So shooting so you can look up his numbers as well. But yeah, I think that's where it is like he's someone that got like 17 and 14, maybe the I think that's talking about I'm not sure but I mean, I said to me, I would started him but I said Either way, it's a good pick. But I say I love the pic that we have coming up. So

Dave Clarke:

are you going figure are you going for six man also?

Joe Malkin:

Nope. No. We're gonna we're gonna go for our fifth starter 1996 1997 Carl belong in all 82 games that season. It was the fifth consecutive season he played every game. He literally played every game in in 11 seasons in his career. He's in Carmel, and inexplicably like the third highest score of all time,

Unknown:

second, second

Dave Clarke:

of all time, and he's never talked about like that. But he's like, literally scored the second most points ever. It's crazy. Yeah. Phenomenal.

Joe Malkin:

And he started the most games in NBA history. So it 27.4 points that year, we all know that he can do just about everything on the floor. And he's a gritty player really made those Utah Jazz teams what they were in the 90s. Along with john Stockton, again, he won the MVP that year. And while shooting 0% from three point he shot 55 from the floor, and 76% from the free throw line. So consistent, nearly 10 rebounds per game, nearly four and a half assists per game, which is great for a four and we're happy to have him.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Right. And it's like we learned so our one through five literally has every guy can pass the ball, which I'm huge on. I'm huge on movement. I'm huge on versatility, like I'm huge on that. So I'm definitely rocking with someone that knows how to move the ball. And I said we could switch out things right. And I said, you know, Malone's gonna he's gonna bring out whoever your four is. And you know, he's going to he's going to face him up. He's going to hit them with a 15 foot jumper, or you know is he's going to he's going to pump fake go by him, you know and dunk on so he wasn't doing that as much by the time he won you have up here but that was when you finally got over the hump, right? So they lost the Houston a couple times. They lost the Phoenix area lost really early in the playoffs a few years beforehand. But 9697 was the year they got over the hump. You know, actually funny thanks to john Stockton, actually, but Sam Malone was the guy that drove the engine for sure. And like it was it was really easy to pick once. You know, Mike and Bobby made their pick.

Joe Malkin:

Yeah, everybody needs a mailman.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Right. Exactly. And me and job as a lover,

Dave Clarke:

I think is a good pick. Because again, it fits the theme of your team and like the way that you guys both fleshed out your teams, you kind of have one generation of 90s players a little bit against the next generation not of 90s players that like went on to be you know, 2000, early 2000s players and I think it's an interesting match of their Carmilla brings that the other teams going home with some bumps and bruises playing against the the john rayshawn team, that's for sure. You guys scared to come alone what's going on

Michael Marcangelo:

now? No, I mean no shade. I think he's obviously one of the greatest NBA players of all time. I understand why they picked him. You want him on your team but I think we we have his kryptonite, so I'm not really worried about it yet.

Rob Kelly:

I mean, come on in today's NBA would have had a better jump shot would have had a better three point shot and they would have been one of the best players in NBA today because his body is built you think about it he's LeBron James without a jump shot that's what Karl Malone was so he was unbelievable, but I do think we have someone to counteract him and also someone to counteract all the scores that we have to bring some real defense here

Dave Clarke:

So Mike without any further ado I'm excited to see the the final pick to make your entire team like what's the glue that holds it together?

Michael Marcangelo:

Yeah, so this also goes along with who we're gonna pick as our coach but I want you to know that you know, we know that we have we're a high scoring team we need a balance who better to balance that playing the Is it the three Bobby Yeah, it's a three it's a three then 1996 1997 Dennis Rodman who averaged I knew it. I knew average 16 rebounds a game three assists a game four points game, it was the best defensive player of the 90s. And someone that would not let Karl Malone go anywhere near that rim

Rob Kelly:

if he had you. So Bobby, I feel like this is the best pick against their last pickup. And we had this solidified like this is it and not only that, so we also have a guy who's just going to listen, we have Allen Iverson, highest volume shooter, Reggie Miller, one of the best shooters. We have Tim Duncan, someone's just gonna keep putting the ball up and guess who's gonna be there to gobble up all those rebounds? Dennis Rodman. This man is the most prolific rebounder in NBA history. He had one season where he averaged almost 18 rebounds a game. That is an absurd stat there is no one in the NBA that can come close to this at this point. Plus you add in that tenacity that that attitude that Dennis Rodman has, in bringing into this team of scores. This team is going to be on beatable they're going to be unbeatable at the rim unbeatable on the rebounds unbeatable with scoring it's just a team that right now I don't think can be beat yeah Dennis Rodman onto this team and it's just it's lights out lights out and this is the multicolored Dennis Rodman two we're not talking about the boring Detroit Pistons Dennis Rodman This is the one with like the rainbow hair.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, no, he's gone full. He's gone full psychopath at this. Yeah, for sure. There's a definite downside to the fact that like he might miss two of the games of this series when you play it because he

Rob Kelly:

has to go get married to himself.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

It's a common electrode

Dave Clarke:

you guys are creating a potential boiler room situation.

Joe Malkin:

would you expect anything else from these two guys?

Dave Clarke:

Like it's basically if Mike and Bobby GM in there arguing constantly hopefully he can get it in order because if AI says the wrong place Rodman Wait, he's gonna you know, Tim Duncan and David Robinson, or at least quietly in the corner, like talking to john Stockton about how basketball works, but like the rest of them are just

Rob Kelly:

really fun team to think about podcasts and content and this team.

Unknown:

Oh, yeah.

Dave Clarke:

No, it's definitely fun. You're not wrong about that. There's gonna be a koken hose at the at the mic and bombi team.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Oh, my Oh, my.

Unknown:

No one ratio, or everyone's in bed by nine.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Just like me and Joe in real life.

Dave Clarke:

We want to go out there and play hard we just wanted to get what do you guys think? What do you guys think about this Final Edition?

Joe Malkin:

I mean, it's right. Like, it's everything. I feel like none of our picks have been bad. And I don't think our last one is either. You know what I mean? But it what it comes down to what you just said, Dave? Like their team is so volatile, like anything, anything can pop off at any moment. And you're right, and john Stockton is just gonna sit there and you know, relive the glory days on the bench.

Dave Clarke:

There might be a fight, but it's gonna be between the same team

Joe Malkin:

and then Bobby's gonna try and put Iverson and Stockton on the floor at the same time and then and then the university. Yeah,

Unknown:

exactly. A black hole created.

Rob Kelly:

I said,

Joe Malkin:

don't do it for that reason, but don't Ray you were mean for the last day

Rayshawn Buchanan:

well I'm I'm gonna give my two cents on the trick as well. I'd like to say I knew I could do that that's all my dad doesn't do it Bobby mike mike loves Mike loves Dennis Rodman. No but my lesson is wrong because he was pissing me off about it on and on in the chat about that he was saying like Romney was the best guy in Detroit just to test me on so I know he co signed that shit. I know yes, I cosign Yeah, definitely cosigner. Sure, but it's almost like you guys were watching a lot of old San Antonio basketball too, because Rhonda was at his best with David Robinson to blonde before Tim Duncan actually came on the team, but that actually that team actually made the Western Conference Finals in 9495. And I'm trying to remember who did it What did I lose to? Ah, sorry. Okay, so now I'll go into my I'll go into our final fake side. I just had to get out of it. Sorry about that, which is on my mind, you know, we this time it just to me was a no brainer. You know, I'm pretty sure. Maybe you guys did think about this, but last week me and Joe thought about this right away for our sixth man. And I found out player selection. We're going to go with 1997 1998 Coby being Brian. You know, like I said, stick up with versatility now. You could put Isaiah Thomas on the bench. You got six, six cobia point guard. Oh, no, actually, you got six a penny of hunger point Penny play two point. You got Penny, Colby, Scotty Malone, and then a larger one. I mean, you got a team of six 610. Above that gets switched everything one through five, super athletic on the wing could score, shoot it, dunk it, pass it, like To me, it's just like, to me it fits together perfectly honestly. In my opinion,

Joe Malkin:

it does, because we also added some youth here, right? Right. And this is exactly what Kobe did in the 9798 season, he played in 79 games and came off the bench and 78 of them. And still in that time, he was averaging 26 minutes per game. So he can come off the floor or come off the bench onto the floor at any point and you add fresh legs. He's a 40 he was a 43% shooter from the field 34% from three point 80% from the line even coming off the bench, he was consistent. And you add some youth here. He wasn't full blown Colby at this point yet, meaning he hadn't taken over the team, which is another reason we like putting them on there because we have guys on that team that are going to be big personalities as well. But we feel like our guys are all going to get along and putting a kid into the mix that clearly has all the potential in the world. As we saw. This is such a solid bench picky even with how young he is.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Right? It looks like he was all started until he was almost like a season you know, and that was a team with Nick Van exel with Eddie Jones with Shaq with Rick Fox with Robert Horry, young Derek Fisher on that team as well. So Elena Campbell as well. So that team was loaded, you know that that team had a really good record as first four years before they won the championship. So yeah, I said it to me, it was a no brainer to go with him off the bench because I said you're going to get scoring. You're going to get defense, you're going to get someone who's a competitor who's a dog, so it was a no brainer for us. For me, it was a no brainer.

Dave Clarke:

Let's go. I don't want to speak ill of the dead but young Colby, I thought was so overrated at the time.

Michael Marcangelo:

And number eight wasn't it wasn't wasn't great.

Dave Clarke:

I think later Shaq obviously carries them to

Rayshawn Buchanan:

watch the Indiana series and some of them number eight Colby wasn't good. was a little bit 41 in game for which that guy followed out. And you're right. I'll still say it to you. I'm

Dave Clarke:

a liar.

Unknown:

I will

Dave Clarke:

even if I've changed my mind when I go raise right I'll still lie to you. It's fine. But no, I mean, yeah, I get why you did it. I think it's a good pig. I think before we go into coach selections, and before you guys give me your closing arguments on who was going to win, I would like to do a quick honorable mentions rundown if you guys would would just bear with me. Can't believe Shaq didn't make a team. really can't. I would have insisted I you so dominant. I understand the competition was fierce. But, you know, even in the late 90s Shaquille O'Neal? I mean, come on. We were all there so fun to watch. I thought some biases would creep in at least because like that's our era you guys.

Rob Kelly:

Can I tell you why I cuz I thought about him long and hard. He did. And just the way I was picturing my team. I couldn't picture running from the inside out. And that's how you have to run a Shaquille O'Neal based team. Unless you have someone like a Kobe Bryant or a Penny Hardaway.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah. For that reason, because Tim Duncan would have been right next to him being able to play make from that other side. So I thought you were going going to go with Shaq for that reason. But again, David Robinson and Tim Duncan's a great setup. not taking anything away from it, but Charles Barkley really thought he was gonna make the cut. I could see him fitting seamlessly into rayshawn Joe's team you know, he could definitely challenge any of those guys for for a spot on that squad because of the things that he brings to the table. I know he never won a championship but you can't you got to

Rayshawn Buchanan:

say why I did. It's just like so obviously Okay, when we talked about Barkley You know in a group chat but it was like okay, Malone did were Barkley did a little bit better and he's three or four inches taller right you know saying so this is like Barclays awesome and I honestly I thought I didn't even think about picking barley could I know we were talking about I think off the chatter we might talk about on a previous show, but I know Mike was a big guy have Charles Well, at least Philadelphia Charles

Unknown:

was that trade? Yeah, we ban

Rayshawn Buchanan:

trade. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. So Oh, yeah. The band advancement trade. That was a great episode. Go back and check that out as well. But I thought yeah, cheap flight, right. I thought yeah. So I thought for sure that they was gonna pick Charles Marcus. I was like, I'm not even going to get my hopes up. I'll just pick one alone who's, you know, you know, a little bit taller, you know, put up a little bit better numbers over over the stretches career so and then like forest shack. So even though young Shaq was versatile. I see how it came a large one dominate him in the finals dominate him in 9495. So I was like, No, I was like, I might if he was talking about 99 2000, Shaq that became the MVP. And basically, what I did is I would have a shot like that, that to me. You have to start with him. Like if you don't start with him, I don't know, basketball. Get us off the puck. Right. I

Dave Clarke:

think the case came alive. He was the best player, the 1990s and Michael Jordan. I think you can make I mean,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

yeah, he's won multiple. Yeah, he won back to back. He's only got one back to back. You know,

Dave Clarke:

I see why it's hard to not pick him. I totally get it. But those are my two big surprises. I'm just gonna run down a quick list of other honorable mentions just because we respect their game. Drexler could have seen him could have seen Shawn camp he was

Rayshawn Buchanan:

definitely on the list. Yep.

Dave Clarke:

I mean, the center position in the 90s is stacked Alonzo Mourning Patrick adaline on the left on the linear these could have could have made a team and it would have been completely respectable one.

Rob Kelly:

I mean, that was going to be bad actually.

Dave Clarke:

I could see why Gary Payton didn't go because of the other options on how you want to build a team in the 90s. I'm a little surprised Hardaway garden. Well, whatever

Unknown:

we'll get away though. Which

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Hardaway

Michael Marcangelo:

Can I tell you like one of our honorable mentions TK Yeah, but it was obviously a night 9495 Shawn camp, but also there was 9596 Chris Webber, but we realized that we had a ton of points, he averaged 23.7 points a game

Dave Clarke:

picked him by the time I was making funny guys frickin high scores.

Michael Marcangelo:

Right? We could have done that. Yeah.

Rob Kelly:

That's, that's, that's good. That that's when we pivoted towards Robin, right? We were between those two. And we're like, Alright, we got our scoring. He's right. Let's go

Dave Clarke:

there. You know, the third kind of I think you guys built two distinctive 90s NBA DNA teams. And I think the third one you could have built we would have the option to build would have been like the Latrell Sprewell, Alonzo Mourning Tyree, Gary Franklin when Gary Payton kind of hybrid team between the kind of two spectrums that you guys built. So it's interesting how it all shaped up, but those are the honorable mentions. We've all obviously can't pick everybody. We'd love to all these guys. Except I didn't really love 9394 Coby but you know, rip so like respect. All right. Tell us who your coaches, Bobby, Mike.

Michael Marcangelo:

So I'm just gonna read so we have a pretty, pretty wild but cast of characters here. I

Dave Clarke:

don't need you. I'm going to tell you who you have. I have it written down.

Unknown:

You do?

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, I can tell you your team. I can recap it for the

Michael Marcangelo:

coach. But yes, tell tell me. Oh, no, sorry. So you've ever seen Miller, Rodman Duncan and David Robinson as your first five. And then you have john Stockton as your sixth man coming off the bench. So this statue group of players you're given to this coach, this in this quote was the reason why we picked him why Bobby doesn't know this yet, but I'm just gonna read it. We wanted each individual to go above and beyond to achieve something that was going to help this team win a championship. That was our mission. We charted these every single day, after every game, every practice, we would give them a report card. After two weeks, we had a better meeting. It's Pat Riley, this man in the 80s in the 90s. And even later in the 2000s was able to mold a bunch of characters to collectively go and achieve a tingle. There was no, he wasn't someone that was defined or locked into one certain system. He knew how to get the best out of his players. And he didn't always have the same type of players like the 80s Lakers look different than the 90s and the 2005 heat, right. So we needed someone that was versatile. We picked Pat Riley.

Rob Kelly:

Yeah, that's 100%. The reason you look back to this guy's history, and he is the opposite of Phil Jackson. You know what I mean? He doesn't come in and take his system and force it upon a team. He comes into a team looks at what he's got, and figures out his system and how he's going to run that team, which is the exact guy we need to come into this team. Like you guys said, volatile characters, guys that don't play off the ball. We have guys that that aren't necessarily always going to get along. But Pat Riley being the glue coming in here and sticking this team together. is exactly what they need. I mean, you look at what he did granted Yes, he wasn't the head coach but he was the architect of the heroes where we had three very distinct personalities coming in to create a common goal. And guess what? It worked Alright, so we'll never say the heroes again pretend I never said that came in to take these guys to a common goal and he did that he did that with the Lakers. He did that with the Dwayne Wade Shaquille O'Neal heat. He knew exactly what they had to do to win. And he altered his coaching style to that. So

Michael Marcangelo:

I mean, to Bobby's point, whether it's Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Michael Cooper, Magic Johnson, Byron Scott, or its Shaquille O'Neal, Dwayne Wade, and Swan walker or it's what he just said that we can't say anymore. You know, the big three in Miami. He knew how to get the best out of the people that he had in place and how to grow their talent so I don't know of any better coach to coach our team than Pat Riley

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, so basically you guys are like let's just go get the six guys we think are the six best guys and paraic figure it out. I don't know he's good. I get it. I get it.

Michael Marcangelo:

I don't have an oversimplification but yeah sure.

Rob Kelly:

40 minutes of podcast content in the five seconds. Oh, no as Pat out

Dave Clarke:

the coach that's really painful. It's a good choice at coach Pat Riley for coach. What do you guys think you're afraid of this Pat Riley system? He's

Joe Malkin:

a good coach. And it's a obvious choice for their team.

Dave Clarke:

He's the only one that can do it. I

Joe Malkin:

think the short end You know, I've said on on our show before. I mean, Pat Riley is a lot of the reason why Erik Spoelstra is the coach that Erik Spoelstra is so and he's a guy. I won't say the unsayable, as Bobby already said, but he did make it work in Miami. And Pat Riley was a big part of that. So I think this is a great pick for their team. It just a no brainer.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Well, I hate it. Because I literally, we were thinking the same freakin guy. Like, I was like, I was like, I heard like the explanation. He's gonna pick Pat. He's going to think, Pat, we don't say don't say it, but he did. Okay, so right. You know, me and Joe, we learn how to pivot. So we pivoted so you know, so that that leads into great segue, Shawn, appreciate it.

Michael Marcangelo:

No, no. You don't really hate you hate it because you wanted it.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, exactly.

Joe Malkin:

But he also doesn't he also doesn't fit our system.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, doesn't fit our style. So the guy that I'm meeting Joe literally pivoted late last minute, I thought he definitely does fit the style. So and this is another plug come in Craig. So get this in the show notes. So there was a there was a story that Jan Volk, the former gm of the Boston Celtics, he tells a wonderful story about the 1969 NBA Finals. And where the subjects had to forget the Lakers in seven games. There was a guy who had a shot that went literally, basically to the top of the ceiling, which I'm given, I'm being hyperbolic, but it went up like to the top of the ceiling went down and they essentially won the game. That guy was number 19, was retired by the Boston Celtics. His name is Don Nelson. So the reason why I bring him down Nelson doneness, the end of coaching and he started with the Milwaukee Bucks. He was the originator of small ball, right. So you had a guy named Marcus Johnson, you had a guy named Paul pressey, who actually Phil Presley who played for the Celtics, that's his father. So that's a little fun fact for you guys do not want to talk about going to the rabbit hole. You have Ricky Pierce has no relation to Paul prayers, but you're ever prepared. So you have jack sigma. That's the way you asked us Cindy Moncrief, who was the pig behind Magic Johnson in the late 70s. So, you know, they were a small team that really play fast, they play quick. And you know, they were very versatile. So So, and then Don Nelson goes to Golden State. And he drives Chris Webber. He has Billy Yeomans, Chris Mullin, Tim Hardaway who also should have been an honorable mention Tim Hardaway was a beast in the 90s. So it's Chris Mullins who was Miss frischmann. You know, run TMC is one of the best victories of all time, so you know, that that can be put there as well. So and then now it's like going to our team, right, so you know, young Coby got Pippin got a larger one. You have you have Malone. And you have Isaiah Thomas, right. Like you have a sense guys who can literally switch in and out, let's say maybe not it as much because I he was he was smaller, obviously. But you have five or six guys, five out of six guys, excuse me that could switch back and forth. And that to me, Don Nelson originated that style. Well, actually, well, he took this out to another level because his coach Tommy heinsohn, actually took it to another level and started Dave Collins that center, you know, who we also talked about on the gym floor going to do so? Yeah. So it's like, that's the guy that took small balls to another level. So you know, what else? What are versatile players, it was a no brainer to kind of pivot, I have to Pat Riley, but pivot to Don Nelson to be our coach there.

Joe Malkin:

Yeah, and that's exactly what we want to do is the same thing you guys are doing with Pat Riley is we want somebody that's going to manage the players on the floor, and get the most out of them out of all six of our versatile players and the times that we pick them and Don Nelson coached for a very long time and was successful in the 90s as well and really turned away turned around a golden state team in the early 90s that needed it at the time, so he can definitely do that. With this.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, it's a good pick. I think it makes perfect sense for your team. I think you guys are very wholesome basketball team. You know it's very like the Pleasantville basketball team before they go away from being in black and white. Is that too specific of a reference?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

to one division? Yeah, I know.

Dave Clarke:

Division fans out there. I feel like you guys are gonna wear like the short NBA shorts. I feel like you're gonna

Joe Malkin:

write and I are gonna wear him to,

Dave Clarke:

you're gonna wear like, yeah, you guys are gonna wear I'm going to have like, you know, fold me in a press

Rayshawn Buchanan:

box though.

Dave Clarke:

With like, five high top Chuck Taylors. Everybody's gonna have like the goggles and the headband. And you know, it's gonna be great. I really think I can totally see the DNA your team. I think it's awesome. What do you guys think Don Nelson.

Rob Kelly:

I like Don Nelson. I just want to give credit to Ray for the amount of deep dives that his brain tried to go on that explanation right there. And how many times he fell back out. That was amazing. That was great.

Unknown:

Yeah, for sure. That was awesome.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I don't want to create a yell at me after the show. So let me stop.

Dave Clarke:

Mike, anything to add on Don Nelson before we go to closing stage?

Michael Marcangelo:

I think for the team that they've constructed, he's the guy that you want to lead it right. I mean, if I was in their shoes, I'd pick him too.

Dave Clarke:

So it's a very smart pick. All right, very respectful and complimentary. We've been today very rare for us. Not going to be the case. Once Dennis gets here. I can predict that as certainly being true. So since Bobby and mike got to go first in the draft, I'll let you guys choose. Would you guys like to make your closing arguments? rayshawn. And Joe first, or would you like to go second?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I mean, I don't mind going first. Right first?

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, let it rip. Wow. Your team win against Bobby. And Mike's team.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Yeah, so listen, there's only one basketball right? So when you have five guys that are getting 25 or more just about on their team, which is great, right? It's so it looks great on paper. But we've seen teams before in the NBA that looks great on paper, and doesn't do much when it matters most. Like you need pieces that fit right. And yes, you need stars. You need guys that can say okay, I'm gonna give you some I'm gonna give you the ball. Take us there. Well, we have that on our team, right? So if it says, Hey, you know what, I only want to get 15 points tonight. And I want to get 15 to 20 assists. Cool. I'm gonna pass it off to Pippin. Let him do what he wants to do. All we want to slow it down. let's dump it out to a larger one and let him work. You know, let him let him work. David Robinson. So I said I was gonna bring this up. So now I'm glad I reminded myself that I would have forgotten that I would have sat down with the shoulder. I'd have been pissed off that 9495 year, right. And I said about who lost who, right because a human launch was beat them. So David Robinson was the MVP that year, right? There's a story that Kenny Smith told about how he came along. And I was actually mad that they Robinson got the MVP over him. So he said, you know, tonight, you know, tonight is my night. And basically that's the game where he shook my shoes twice on the same play and came back in the locker room and said, I think I'll go back and take my trophy from the locker room. So that's a great story, watch NBA record, if you haven't, it's a great, it's a great show, unless you're not a sponsor and not plugging it but it was a great show. I did it helps me tap into my prior knowledge. So that's why I did that. But yeah, so I said versatility that said, we beat that dead horse. We talked about versatility all day. We got guys that can defend. We got guys that can score we got guys that can shoot guys that could pass. So literally one through five really want to six we got guys that could do it all. So to me, it's just that simple. we'd win in seven like it's going to go seven games. And we went and seven. I said the final score would have been like 105. So one on one.

Joe Malkin:

Yeah. And to go back to the beginning of what Ray said, there is that you know, Mike and Bobby's team looks great on paper, but one of the members of that team has always said that you don't win championships on paper paper champions, right, Mike? So with that said with the team that we've constructed rageous said it very well very eloquently. And I'm going to basically echo that and putting together as Dave said that the gritty veteran that can do a little bit of everything, and then adding in a young Coby Brian, who you admittedly thought was overrated Dave which we can understand but putting with these guys on the floor that's gonna allow him to flourish especially in a seven game series because that's all we're playing at this point. So let's go seven games, our six against their six and call it what it is. And with Don Nelson at the helm. I don't think there's much our guys can't do.

Dave Clarke:

All right. rebuttals.

Rob Kelly:

I'm gonna go first back. I'll go first. I'll go first.

Michael Marcangelo:

Well, I feel like no, I feel like you're like, this is your thing, man. Like, you know, you know, the MBM. I'm gonna let you close it out. Okay, there's not one thing that our team can't do. We can score. We can rebound. We can defend. We can do it all. You guys. You ask a lot of questions. Right? We have the answer. And Iverson unequivocably. He's the man and until you come up with a solution that's going to defeat Allen Iverson, Reggie Miller, Dennis Rodman, Tim Duncan and David Robinson. There's really nothing else that I need to say because we have points We have size, we have speed. And we have the pick and roll that Bobby said in the beginning but then off the bench. If in case maybe there is a chance that AI gets a little to shoot, you know, to shot happy, john Stockton, you're gonna come out, he's gonna come up and facilitate that offense, he's going to make sure again, that there is not a there's not a drop off in in talent, but that there is a distribution of the ball. So well, you know, maybe AI scores 30. But I promise you, Stockton will be a multiplier on that team, and he will make other people around him better. So again, I respect you. I respect your team. I don't think it's gonna go seven. But I can let Bobby Go ahead. No,

Rob Kelly:

I honestly think that this is gonna sound crazy. I think we sweep too serious because I don't see anyone on this team, that even if we played no defense at all, there's not a single person on this team that can keep up with the scoring that we're gonna offer. You say the final score is gonna be 105 to one on one. I guarantee you, this team does not score less than 110 points in a game. Even if one guy is off, we got someone else who's ready to drop 30 at the drop of a dime, no matter what someone's going off on our team. It's just a matter of who. So it's a pick your poison with this team. Plus, on top of that, we have two of the best defensive players in NBA history with David Robinson and Dennis Rodman. Right, these guys were multiple time first team all time, our first first team all defensive players in the NBA, this team is unstoppable. Plus, you added Pat Riley with being the coach letting this team play letting them do their thing. There's nothing you can do to stop this team. We are the Brooklyn Nets, we are scoring 140 points every single time we step out on that floor

Dave Clarke:

physically in pain when you made that comparison.

Rob Kelly:

It doesn't matter who you try and stop on our team. Because all it takes is someone else going off. You can try and stop our person. That's fine. We'll dish it out to Reggie Miller. He'll score 30 points. You can try stop ready. That's fine. We'll let our Twin Towers do the killing. You can try it go at us. You can try and go at us with

Rayshawn Buchanan:

a song by Craig

Rob Kelly:

I'm just saying you can try and go at us with this dynamic team that you guys have scoring but guess what you're not getting anywhere near the rim and you don't have shooters to counteract the fact that you can't drive the basketball on us. So so all these things you guys are saying it doesn't matter no matter what you do we have something else to cancel it out.

Joe Malkin:

Well you forget that we have Penny Hardaway. Okay, so so don't say that we can't drive on you. Okay, so number one,

Rob Kelly:

but we have Dennis Rodman and Tim Duncan there's watashi bakkie

Joe Malkin:

you've said that already and we've already done this twice now so I'm not going to do it a third time and take your bait the second thing is the one thing that will stop Allen Iverson Mike is practice. So there is one mandatory practice day in the series. Okay, so so we got we got Pat

Rob Kelly:

Riley, we don't have Larry Brown. You know, Bradley's not gonna make Allen Iverson practice. He's play the game that he loves.

Unknown:

I don't I don't

Michael Marcangelo:

practice. I don't necessarily support what Bobby just said like the actual words. But I said

Dave Clarke:

you guys waited until the end to turn on the show.

Michael Marcangelo:

The practice thing I think I think we're just doing the whole like the price doesn't matter. Like it's it's for Oh, and rayshawn it's ballgame.

Joe Malkin:

Back to every one of these shows, I can guarantee you that right around the same timestamp. Mike says that exact same sentence in towards something that Bobby says we can probably timestamp every time it happens. But my last question for you guys is you mentioned all these scores you have and all these things in basketball and football especially how well how often does it go really well when everybody wants the ball? How well does that go?

Michael Marcangelo:

The way that you frame your question is irrelevant to our team. Everyone when they have the chance to score Ken but they won't feel the need to only be like a hero they know that they have this they got they got

Rob Kelly:

What's the score rod?

Michael Marcangelo:

Sorry everyone. Let's go on

Rayshawn Buchanan:

check the numbers Dennis Rodman a scoring

Michael Marcangelo:

a score sheet that everyone but Rodman

Rayshawn Buchanan:

right so you're playing four on five so so that's a numbers game. So in other words,

Michael Marcangelo:

yeah, and I think one can make the argument that Rodman wouldn't negate one of your scores so like it's anyone that tries to drive to the rim How about that anyone

Unknown:

go again? anyone anyone?

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Who stated that logic was gonna do whatever he wanted? Like I said, he didn't dominate David Robinson Tim Duncan. Yeah, I give him Doug and Tim Duncan's gonna go w one and so on. I I got you on it some buckets. I got you. But it to me the rest of it is it's a toss up like Tim Duncan has declared vanish. Let's just like I think I came as a clear advantage, then it kinda is kind of even across the board and My opinion after you get to that, so now that's a toss up. So if it's a toss up, it's just whoever's hot at that moment. And I trust the guys that we put together that's going to mesh together and like I said, Everyone can make a play. So it's just like you can't just say well, you could say golf Dennis Rodman, you can't say golf Penny Navy, you could just hand off a young Coby says, you know, talking about we said his numbers were 43% 34 and 80. But once again, if Kobe gets by you, it's you know, it's easy, he's human at home when you especially get that especially at that point in his career. So say if they were Penny Penny was doing stuff that Dwayne Wade was doing in the 90s So what I mean by that his footwork was ridiculous ridiculous in the 90s I just played in Vegas showed where he's like he does like a reverse pivot. And it looks like a travel but it's like the dude basically like bowed down before him and he like he hits the jumper like it was insane so I said Tim Duncan and in the larger wants to me are the clear advantages on both sides but the rest of it to me is a toss up and I said there's gonna be times when you're playing four or five because ROM is not gonna look the shoe and there's gonna be a moment where he's gonna need to hit a bucket. And you said this is the color hair Rockman not the guy that's the guy that's actually gonna hit a few shots then but the guy writes on me Got to Chicago he wasn't hitting shots. He wasn't doing that just saying he didn't have to.

Joe Malkin:

Bobby Bobby you want to compare your two guys to buildings last I checked buildings don't move Penny Hardaway does. Boom.

Dave Clarke:

So I think I've decided,

Rob Kelly:

don't make me do it. Don't make me do it.

Dave Clarke:

I agree with a lot of what ratio has to say in the sense that I do think that Hakeem Olajuwon is a big advantage. I'm not 100% Sure. You have like a direct answer for him on your team. But from my gut, I do admire your frontcourt. I think it's a really fun and entertaining frontcourt Mike and Bobby, I think it's a fun combination to watch because we've seen it. And then to add Dennis Rodman in there. I think it's just super cool. I want to see it. That being said, I don't love the choice of john Stockton and Allen Iverson, the same team, which we've talked about No need to beat that dead horse. I really think that Kobe Bryant and I urge everyone to hear me out on this. This is like 90 what your 96? Co right, you said

Rayshawn Buchanan:

9798 for his first All Star appearance.

Dave Clarke:

97 898 COVID. Brian, I think is gonna have a little bit of trouble running around after Reggie Miller. I think he's on a bench.

Unknown:

Right, right.

Dave Clarke:

You're not gonna plan? Well, no,

Rayshawn Buchanan:

I say that. I just

Joe Malkin:

gotta be limited. But he's not going to be running around for 48 minutes against Reggie.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Bush got he already? easily.

Dave Clarke:

Okay, well, then he's going to get pulled out. And every switch is going to get a lot worse, actually. But I think that I think they Joan ratio and have a little bit of the edge when it comes to hemolyzed. One eye, it's very difficult for me to argue with the amount of points that Mike and Bob are putting up, I really, genuinely believe Bobby, when he says, if some if this guy's not doing it, then this guy is doing it. If this guy's not doing it, and this guy's not gonna do it. And I think that's true. And I do even though I don't love their guard choices, like the combination, they can play in two different ways. And I think that as much as you guys might be a little bit more well rounded. I do think it goes to seven. But I'm going to go with Mike and Bobby.

Joe Malkin:

I have to say I disagree. Well, yeah,

Dave Clarke:

yeah, you should know how to make friends. Every time we do this. It really hurts me.

Joe Malkin:

No time in history has a team that has had all scores on it.

Dave Clarke:

scored. I know. But no one's ever had no sports worse,

Michael Marcangelo:

heavy scores.

Joe Malkin:

But there's a reason why it doesn't it never happens.

Dave Clarke:

I think that there's I agree with you that there is they have more downside than you guys have. But they also went a little riskier, and they brought more upside to the table and their ceiling. If they do what they say they're going to do. They are going to score a lot of points. And I really beat a team that scores like 145 points.

Rayshawn Buchanan:

Bobby said at best. I mean, he basically told y'all you chose when you said oh, you know, it goes 140 Well, I mean, Mike said earlier in the year and he still says it now give 145 Just saying. So if that's the case, then guess what Mike is ballgame for us?

Rob Kelly:

No, Robin, Tim Duncan and David Robin

Michael Marcangelo:

just to be clear, like DK just made sure that it was ballgame for us.

Dave Clarke:

So I decided, you know what I might have my opinions subjective. I will also say that you also have a bunch of volume guys on your team, you're going to like we talked about you're going to put Reggie Miller's situation where his volume is going to go up and then when you have a lot of volume guys and you have somebody who can go get rebounds that's a really good combination. And I think that's just like a smart combination to make. And also again more downside Dennis Rodman, your team boss on fire, he might just like go on average 19 rebounds, you know, like one of the other could happen so yes, more downside, but Fortune favors the end. I like a little ball. And my coffee in the morning. So the best part of waking up is you guys in my cup. Congratulations on the win. That'll do it for our 90s draft

Joe Malkin:

game show.

Dave Clarke:

I hated that Joe's as his typical bitter self when he comes out of the losing side. Don't take it out on your family. And we'll see you guys next time. Thank you guys for coming. Thanks for listening.