April 1, 2021

Hilarie Rose on her Upcoming MMA Fight vs Alannah Arnett at CFFC 95: Kamchybekov vs. Smith


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On this Episode of Missing the Point, were once again joined by professional MMA fighter Hilarie Rose, who fights Friday, April 2nd, 2021 against Alannah Arnett at CFFC 95: Kamchybekov vs. Smith

We’ll discus what Hilarie has done to improve since her loss to Cheyanne Bays during ESPN+’s Dana Whites Contender Series, and just how long she plans on fighting.

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Transcript

Craig D'Alessandro:

On this episode of missing the point, we're joined once again by Professional MMA fighter Hilarie Rose who fights Friday, April 2, against Alannah Arnett at CFFC

95:

Kamchybekov vs. Smith will discuss what Hilarie has done to improve since the loss of Cheyenne Bay's at Dana White's contender series and just how long she plans to keep fighting. This is missing the point, Episode 49. But it's all relative.

Michael Marcangelo:

Welcome to missing the point, I'm your host, Michael Markangelo joined alongside by D cases with Dave Clark. And we are once again joined by our resident badass who will be competing at cffc 95. This Friday, it's her third time on the show the one and the only Hilarie rose. Hilarie, How are you?

Hilarie Rose:

I'm good. How are you guys doing? Well.

Michael Marcangelo:

Was that a good chat?

Dave Clarke:

It was good. I just like that we you know, we're pretending to the listeners that she hasn't been here for five minutes. Yeah. This is magic of podcasting.

Hilarie Rose:

MacGregor loss.

Michael Marcangelo:

got away

Dave Clarke:

right away. Yeah, you called it a mean you hit you know, good job, my revenue, my pain.

Hilarie Rose:

I was on Conor McGregor side. But yeah,

Dave Clarke:

you were I appreciate that. You're better friend than Mike. That was a tough one because he got knocked out. You know, like, I've never seen him get knocked out. Like, yeah, you know, you gotta get submitted. All right, maybe his ground game needs work. Seeing your guy just go like, and he looked like in pain down there. I was like, Oh, yeah,

Unknown:

I mean, those calf kicks. Take

Dave Clarke:

a check those next time.

Hilarie Rose:

Sometimes checking does help. I know. Sometimes checking hurts.

Dave Clarke:

It's too bad. It's too bad. He's but also I didn't like his stance.

Hilarie Rose:

Yeah, he was in like a weird like restaurants off dance. Yeah. Yeah. I

Dave Clarke:

think he was like, I think that's just to me, it's like, could be training. It's like he's just been like getting into like shape to be cubbies. And then he didn't look like he trained for dusting it off because he thought he was just gonna get him out of there with his left hand.

Hilarie Rose:

Yeah, no, didn't happen. But they'll fight again in July. And we'll see how.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, we'll see. I'll hopefully be done crying by then.

Hilarie Rose:

I think a lot of crying.

Michael Marcangelo:

I don't know if you know this. But Dave was pretty inconsolable for like 72 hours after like, didn't told us that this is going to be bad if it went this way. And it did. And then he just no communication for three days.

Dave Clarke:

I did I dropped on the face of the earth. I was like, I can't believe I practiced. I bought this bottle of fucking proper 12 whiskey. tastes like shit.

Hilarie Rose:

It tasted better before he went out.

Dave Clarke:

It did. It did. I think there's they have too cheap on the ingredients. Because he didn't get the full payday.

Hilarie Rose:

That's right there. I don't know. He showed up in a yacht. So that's kind

Dave Clarke:

of cool. But then it's like if you show up on a yacht, you better win. Yeah, I agree. Or just knocked off. Nate today.

Hilarie Rose:

Yeah, nice, buddy. john edwards.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, yeah. And Nate's being hilarious on Twitter, because he's like, Oh, yeah,

Hilarie Rose:

he's going off. Yeah, he's

Dave Clarke:

like, I'm headlining this event. Also, there's a lightweight belt. I think you guys should tune in because, you know, I really hope those guys do good. And then him and Connor were talking shit to each other today, which, you know,

Hilarie Rose:

I saw that too. I love that. And it's going to be the first ever five rounds. comida but is that true? Never happened? Never.

Dave Clarke:

That's not a tender fight, I would think Nope, not no

Hilarie Rose:

fight. So it'll be the first Oh yeah. It's the first ever, like call me an event for five rounds. So

Dave Clarke:

it is a total win at his fights though. It's like it means as much.

Unknown:

Yeah. People love to see him fight.

Dave Clarke:

He's the best. Even though he was like, you know, and you want to talk about inconsolable after the first Nate Diaz fight. I woke up on the sidewalk outside my apartment and nobody had taken anything, which I think is like out of my pockets or anything, which I think is like a pretty good uptake for

Hilarie Rose:

their thinking. This guy's had a rough evening. Yeah, they

Dave Clarke:

were like he looks. He looks Irish. He looks sad. And Irish. We know. I know what happened to him. Yeah. Forgot. But I mean, I still love Nate. He's so much. So great for the brand. You know,

Hilarie Rose:

I know Leon Edwards is a tough fight for him.

Dave Clarke:

He's a tough fight for all of us because he puts me to sleep. Because his personality, and I didn't like I didn't like any of that. Like, let's go. Let's ask her questions about her fight, which is what we're really here to talk about.

Michael Marcangelo:

What a great segue, Dave. So it's it's a lot of our net. Is that how you pronounce it. alanna? Yeah. alanna Alanna. She's foreign one in her MMA career with two of her wins happening in the first round view and on an armbar. Right. So knowing that, how does how does your preparation change knowing that half of her wins have been decided in the first round with a submission.

Hilarie Rose:

So originally, I was finding somebody else completely different. So I was fighting a girl who was five and three and she fought on contender series twice. So it was really, really good. good matchup so two weeks ago that changed the girl tore acl so she couldn't fight so this is alon his first pro fight so i was kind of like iffy about wanting to take it because i was like i you know it doesn't really look great i mean it doesn't look great for me it doesn't not look great for me but

Dave Clarke:

you're the one gambling everything at this point because you know she has nothing to lose you have everything to lose so yeah

Unknown:

by winning you

Hilarie Rose:

win win if she fights me and she loses it's great experience for her and if she beats me it looks really great so i was like iffy about taking it but she's a brown belt in jujitsu and she grapples very well but i'm also a brown belt in jujitsu and i think that i have better mma grappling and from the fights that i've seen like she doesn't really like to get hit so you know i'm hoping i'll just hit her a good few times and she'll leave me some openings and you know i have some things that i've added to my toolbox so we'll see so i'll you know welcome her to the professional level and you know hopefully i'm trying to be like mean and i'm really not

Dave Clarke:

i'm not like you were like what you were like gearing up for that for that exact speech right they're like yeah time to baptize someone then you're like oh

Hilarie Rose:

but i'm sure she's nice i'm too nice i'm overly nice but the thing is i'm just appreciative that i get a fight so we were hit or miss about taking it but you know what when in the win column is a win so if i can get experience and be more comfortable in there and i was training so is training for a fight i was prepped to fight so you know i'm grateful for her and you know she's obviously very ballsy to take a fight against someone who has more experience than her and you know she's probably thinks of it as a good a good base but i'm not afraid of her arm locks i think that if i hit her a good few times she'll make some amateur mistakes that will leave some good openings for me but you know i we definitely have been drilling some arm lock escapes and basic stuff like that but that's all you know once someone's hitting you things change

Dave Clarke:

everybody's got a plan to get punched in the face it's good to it's good to stay on that rhythm for you though right because you got that you know it's like you're you have a camp you get to the peak of that mountain you don't want to just have nothing happening right like fight someone just for like your rhythm of your body like the you know all that kind of stuff so it's like because going back to the drawing board like starting a whole new training camp that i'm sure would like mess with you a little bit on some level

Hilarie Rose:

for sure and like it messed with me a little too because i was like oh don't want to take the fight or want to take the fight don't want to just like keep training and then train for someone who has more experience but you know again time in the cage is just good time it's just like practice so more practice is better but like even still like i'm finding a day viewer and i'm fucking terrified like i get like i'm like i get a fight and i tell me cuz like i like fighting two days like it's fun obviously but i think it'd be fun and you know i appreciate her for taking the fight so let's see how it goes

Michael Marcangelo:

we were talking a little off the air about obviously like cutting away and how your training is has evolved since your last fight so that your opponent changed two weeks ago and everything you put into your camp i guess how would you compare your camp this time to your camp pre the contender series what's different what's the same

Hilarie Rose:

so like we talked before mostly of strength training so just building a lot of strength getting stronger and which i definitely have you know i've been doing a lot of pad work or i've been doing pad work with a few other people not like i do patrick and my coaches all the time but now i traveled to joe lozano jim and i hit pads with his coach a few times a week just to add in mixing of different things and speed but yeah just building strength strength was my biggest thing so i definitely feel stronger and you know bigger than i was before and this camp i also added like a nutritionist so i added someone who was giving me my meals every week and telling me what to eat and you know how to fuel my body the correct way where i don't think i was i knew how to make weight and to eat but sometimes you know i trained for like you know three hours and then i'd be like oh have a hard boiled egg and go to bed so you know like i wasn't fueling my body what it needed so i added a nutritionist too so i think a lot of that has helped me you know be really well fueled and feel more energized for all my training sessions and yeah so building strength and just being you know fueled and stronger was my biggest thing

Dave Clarke:

is there anything you can do when you're like like obviously your instagram has been like a highlight reel of just like lifting up an enormous amount of weight and it's been cool to watch but the how does that translate into the cage like can you just lift a lot of iron up and down and then you're just stronger when you're in there or do you have to like focus it in a specific area and then like is there stuff you can do in your lightsaber grappling training that can you know help your strength are you like grab weed grapple bigger opponents or like what you know what's the sad yeah

Hilarie Rose:

so a lot of it like it's like with kettlebells and things like that like it helps with my gripping like if i'm grabbing onto arms or building a lot of weight like on my legs has helped with like rotation of strikes i think that my punches have actually gotten like more powerful because i'm using learning how to use rotation of my trunk better and i think because like adding doing a lot of walters with balls and things like that has kind of added i knew i was fast like i have that natural speed Like, I already knew that I had that. And it's like some people never have that. But I was just kind of, you know, that's something I lucked out with. So the speed is already there, it's just adding the power. And I think I was powerful that adding, you know, the weightlifting and like doing pull ups and doing all that stuff has kind of made me stronger in my bottom half of my body, which has made me more powerful on my strikes. So grappling wise, for sure I feel stronger. Like I go with the guys that I've been training with, you know, down at Lowe's ons for sparring, and like, they're all like, Man, you feel fucking strong, like, You're way stronger than you were before. And I think it's just, I'm more aware of my body, and I can feel that I'm stronger. So I think now that I feel that I'm stronger, I'm able to grapple better and take advantage of position and better ways. So it's cool.

Dave Clarke:

That is cool. I hope that all right, I think that, you know, the combination, it sounds like like a nutritionist strength training, getting feedback on the strength training, like, everything is building for like confidence inside the cage. You know, I mean, it's like that, you know, I feel like all that stuff is gonna play a factor where, you know, you say, Oh, I'm scared. It's like, Well, yeah, you're getting in a fistfight in a couple days. Like I think if you're not scared, there's something wrong. But once you're in there, you know, in the lock the cage i think that that, you know, those combination of factors are all just going to click into place, and it's just like, my confidence is here, which flips Yeah, exactly. So that's good. That's it sounds like a great camp.

Hilarie Rose:

And I'm excited to see like, how because I mean, obviously I haven't I mean, I fought Cheyanne Buys. But t en I really added district. I me n, I did strength training befor her but I was doing now t at I focused so much on i I'm curious to see how I'll o in the cage now that I've add d it and you know, if I'll feel stronger, were like in posi ions a chain and got me and you now, I wasn't as strong s I'm curious to see, you know, ow I feel if I get in those posi ions again, and if I'll feel str nger and you know, capable o you know, moving escaping be

Dave Clarke:

She did not have a great debut.

Unknown:

She The thing is, she's she's crazy.

Hilarie Rose:

Here after?

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, well, that's what I was gonna say. It's like,

Unknown:

oh, did the girl spit on her? No,

Hilarie Rose:

I think the girls are called her like Pooja. Like, she spit on her. Yeah, so

Dave Clarke:

I'm not really sure. But I was doing like Zapruder tape stuff with it afterwards to see if there was like action because like, here's the thing, like, I feel like anyone even though like most of the time, like two people fight. They're usually cool. Laughter because it's like, well, we just had a fight. What else are we gonna do? Right? But you know, and then if they want to talk shit again later, like it is what it is, but we just weren't in a fistfight. So she got mad about something. So wouldn't make a lot of sense. Unless you she was just mad that she lost. I feel like I'll be mad at some spit on me even though whatever. But I was like slowing down the tape. couldn't see any pixels. I couldn't see anything.

Hilarie Rose:

Like when when Cheyanne Buys was in her guard and Cheyanne Buys was like elling, I think Cheyanne Buys as mad because she's like, I ant to fucking fight in t is girl's just holding me own in a sheep position. An like, she's a gorgeous girl. A d I think that like, they were ust yelling at each other and t en that, like, they got angry. ut yeah, she I think she's funny Like, I think I like how s e is and she's like, I'll fuc ing follow you home, you bitc . And, like, I wish her luc and said, you know, good luck in your fight. But yeah, I wa surprised her and her hus

Unknown:

Yeah,

Michael Marcangelo:

it wasn't a great night.

Dave Clarke:

No, it wasn't a great night for the narrative. But also I remember them walking in and it was like, he lost. And they were like, well, he said he was gonna be in the corner no matter what I was, like, if I was here, I'd be like, you need to get your bad juju The fuck? Because you're just like you're bringing in some bad energy. I could see it in his face. I was like, No, get that guy out of here.

Hilarie Rose:

Well, you can see because when she was getting like all whatever Vaseline up you can see like her coach, like hugging him behind. Like, yeah, advice. Oh, yeah. So and I mean, like, she obviously fought and did well, I mean, did okay for what she could other than being an opposition, but like, he got knocked out, like, dropped a few good times in his fight. So, you know, hopefully, yeah, that's tough. Because you think that 25 Division they those guys moves fast and not heavy hands. So if he has a bad chin.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, that's I mean, at the start, started the whole thing. That's not good. But

Unknown:

yeah, he's funny.

Michael Marcangelo:

We know, we feel like we know you, Hilarie, rather, you've been on this show three times. And you're like, you're so you're awesome to talk to you super nice person. Like that's your disposition. What happens in the cages? Somebody spits on you? What do you do?

Hilarie Rose:

I don't know. I don't think I don't think anything good. I think I'd probably call them like a Kant and maybe smack.

Unknown:

Really, though. That's a first year that's a first.

Hilarie Rose:

Oh, but that's true. Like, I've never thought that because I've never I guess been in any sort of fight where there was like, aggressive like when I fought Cheyanne Buys she yelled at the end of the last rounds. Like let's go lik and that was it. But no one's ever like done anything like tha , to me, I think is I'm just o erly nice. I just I don't hink people want to be mean to

Michael Marcangelo:

I was thinking because I mean, I'm not a fan of Cheyanne Buys at all, ut I saw her Instagram posts bout about how they spit on ho she thought that she was, you now, spat on and I was like, I r ally Do you wonder like kn wing Hilarie, what would happen? Like what switch would fl p if someone just just Hakuna ujan and inside inside a cage like what she would do? So I me n, I had to ask because I can't You said so many times you love fighting. Like you're you'r not it. But like when something like spinning on another pers n is the ultimate sign of abs lute disres

Unknown:

Yes,

Michael Marcangelo:

definitely. Something has to happen.

Hilarie Rose:

Yeah. And the thing is, like, I mean, but not with the girls, but that was that other girls like debut in the UFC and like, no offense to her, like, obviously, she had a smart game plan. She stuck to it, she helped me I was

Dave Clarke:

stressed. But

Hilarie Rose:

like, he was super stressed. And like, if she fights another fight like that, Dana's gonna be like, yeah, see you later. Like, she needs to, like stand in Brawl and like, or, you know, do something different than just holding somebody there. So if she put on a boring fight, and spit in that girl space, doesn't look good for her overall. So I mean,

Dave Clarke:

yeah, cuz when you're when you're in a debut situation, the UFC, like it's still tentative, you know, you've seen a lot of people come in, do stupid stuff in their debut and get caught right away. You know,

Hilarie Rose:

it's still a trial period, you know, one week trial,

Dave Clarke:

you're on probation? Yeah. Yeah, for sure. But I mean, that's tough. That's gonna be tough to you, I see what you're saying. Like, I'm also not really a fan of science. And like, normally, you know, I mean, I've been banging the cube is the most boring fighter ever drawn for a long time because of my bias. Normally, I would see a girl like that. And I would be like, that is awful. I hope I never see her fight again. But because she was doing it to her, I was a little bit more into it. But like, yeah, you know, whatever. But I do see why that'd be frustrating. Your UFC debut, you got your contract, you train your ass off all this time. And then you just realize that you can't do anything, this person is just holding you down. And they're not even trying to like, she wasn't even really trying to like, advance position in any way. or anything.

Hilarie Rose:

Like simple strikes there. And like I understand, like, I've been stuck in that position before. And it's like, not an easy thing to get out. Especially if someone's very strong. Like my coach Tom, he said that he's never seen a male or female ever had be that strong in a position like that. He's like, I couldn't believe it. She was so strong. She just sat there and could hold her there. And like, you could do things to create space like bridging role and like, Cheyanne Buys was doing all hose things. And she, you know got out a few times. But yeah, that girl must have like a se ious

Dave Clarke:

I liked her because that's actually what my one fight move is the Clark headlock. I just, that's what I can really do. And like most of the times, I've been in situations like that in my life. Just my dad taught it to me, his dad taught it to him the Clark headlock. It's a tried and true thing and but you can't really do anything with it is the thing you realize you're just kind of sitting there but you can keep them down. But now it's been proven you can win a UFC fight with the car catalog, so I can't wait to tell my dad

Hilarie Rose:

and I believe like, I think Cheyanne Buys, sh was originally supposed to ight somebody else. And then the girl did. She did fight whatever that girl's name was masquera e or whatever Cheyanne Buys wa , I think simulating that girl or one of her teammates b cause her teammate was suppose to fight her for like Invicta a d so like it was ironic how th t kind of happens I think f om what I heard or like when saw that like Cheyanne B ys was helping another girl p epare for that girl so like 'm sure it was like a weird cha ge of style so be like prete ding to be one girl and then yo end up having to fight her so y ah, it's good. Yeah, yeah. And t may not have you messed with h r head but she probably thou ht okay, I got this this will be good but yeah, that girl knew 'll take a few punches grab you nd go down and yeah, that was t at s

Dave Clarke:

she did do that thing though that used to work all the time. And you know see that doesn't work as much anymore which is like running through shots to get it Yeah. As opposed to like creating spit you know, you remember back in the day it was like guys could just take down yeah, and run right through it. That's not going to stand up you know, like if she finds somebody that can like really really like you know, or sees a communist has enough game tape on her and they're just gonna catch her on the way in and it's gonna be for sure what about this girl that you're fighting like as far as training camps go? How different are their styles? Is it like a very different situation? Are you having to switch your brain around?

Hilarie Rose:

I went from the girl I was going to fight from the first from the first one. I would say that the girl I was going to fight first is isn't a forward striker like she goes backwards like she is willing to strike and she threw she lost two on Macy, Barbour on contender. So Oscar was good.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, I mean, you see Barbara, Barbara fights like 37 times a year. So like, you gotta look.

Hilarie Rose:

He's, I think she fights up above a weight class now to like, she was much bigger than the girl is supposed to fight. But like that was the 115. And I think she struggles to make 115 out but she fought her. But she fights not really backwards. But like, she never engaged. She like she wasn't an engaged fighter where this girl is, will come forward, but she doesn't like I'm much faster like than her. So if I just commit to like my hands, and I throw him I think I'll hit her. But what like the other girl wouldn't have come forward and this girl will probably maybe come forward and want to try to take me down is what I think we're they're both are brown belts. And I think that both of them may be wanting to take me down, but that this girl is going to really, really want to try to take me down to get to finish early, which I understand and that's fine. And especially on two weeks notice like if she wasn't in a fight camp, you know, she's Probably just going to rely on her jujitsu and you know, trying to get me down maybe on the cage or whatnot. So we'll see.

Dave Clarke:

It'd be cool to get a knockout to the real then if that's gonna be nice to catch one of those.

Hilarie Rose:

That's the plan. My coaches think I'm gonna choke her out, though. So we'll see. Well, I don't know, I have a few things up my sleeve that I really want to land. So I'm really hoping that they work.

Michael Marcangelo:

You just you just make it sound so pleasant. You know, I mean, my code you see, I'm gonna choke her out. Like that's just like a normal Discord. But it's so it's so funny when you say it, I guess, knowing that this is her first professional fight. Right. And and that, was she in a camp before? Do we know?

Hilarie Rose:

I don't think so. Okay. I mean, I honestly, I don't know. But from what it seems like I don't I don't believe so. Because I know she competes in like tons of grappling events on the weekend. Oh, I'm not sure. Maybe she had been trying to get a fight and couldn't and they said, Hey, here's an opportunity. It looks

Dave Clarke:

like that was the case. It looks like she got a couple of flights canceled. Yeah, I saw that. cancellations. Yeah. Amy. Yeah.

Michael Marcangelo:

So without giving away your strategy, do you just I mean, for she has a lot to prove, right? She has everything to gain and you have everything to lose very talked about that. You just kind of let her gas herself out in the first couple. first couple of minutes.

Dave Clarke:

Feel around, Linda, cuz she's like, you know, you might

Michael Marcangelo:

let her make the first move. And then just if it goes to a second round, it's like this is now now I get to do whatever I want to do to you because you're completely gassed.

Hilarie Rose:

Yeah, my goal is to be first and I'm never first invites. Like, I probably won't be first tomorrow. I mean, on Friday, like, that's what goes my coach. I was like, you got to be first you got to be first be first. You know, you got to be first. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I like waiting to like, throw a leg kick. And then like, like, that's probably what I'll do, I'll probably go out there, you'll see me. And I'll anticipate and then I'll throw like an inside like, I can be like, Oh, she did what she said she did. Like, I know that, like I have to be first and like that's in my mind. So just be first be first, if I hit her with a good clean strikes right away, she's going to be afraid of me. And I think that if I can have her fear my hands that it's going to leave a lot of options for the other parts of my body. So

Dave Clarke:

the first thing because I feel like I watched fights all the time, where, you know, it's, it's like the second round going into the third, the third going into the fourth, where you're just like, this guy needs to up his action and he needs to be first. It's like the most obvious thing in the world. But then it's like, obviously not that easy, right? It's obviously not that easy to just do it. It looks from the outside looking in, obviously, it's like well just hit him first dude. But it's like, what do you think that like, what gap? Are you trying to bridge mentally?

Hilarie Rose:

It's it's that like, we the obviously coaches don't know, like, you get you get hit. You don't they don't know how hard it actually is. So maybe they hit you. And right away that first strike is like, Whoa, that time they were not rock to me, but that kind of like, Whoa, I don't want that to happen again. So I think that it's that that anticipation of having to get hit. And once you're you get hit sometimes it's like wolf. And the thing is, I watched this girl fight and she doesn't like to get hit. So I'm just hoping that I can do that. I hope I can just hit her. And she'll you know, not quit. I don't want to say she's a quitter, but I've seen her get hit a good few times, like in the body with some knees and you know, punches up top and she kind of she kind of gives up and then gives up position like she she's gotten choked out a few times too. So

Dave Clarke:

it's not like it's not like you can drill getting hit though, right? Right. It's like you can't really get like better at it by being like, punch me in the face for a while.

Hilarie Rose:

We train with big gloves, right? Like you get hit with four ounce gloves. You're like, Oh shit, it's like I'm really fighting somebody now.

Dave Clarke:

Gloves. Like, are they gonna fix those UFC gloves anytime soon? Like,

Hilarie Rose:

I have no idea. They should. I think like luckily I think the ones that I'm fighting with they like actually like go kind of Hi. I haven't tried them yet, but I've seen like fighters with them on but yeah, do you need to fix that?

Dave Clarke:

You've been poked in the eye in a fight. Never good? Because it looks really unpleasant.

Michael Marcangelo:

Yeah, awful.

Hilarie Rose:

I've been poked in an eye grappling, but like it wasn't really bad, but ya know, it doesn't feel good. And like when you're crying full force.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah. Or you step into it, you know? Or suddenly it's like, but those UFC gloves they you know, it's like okay, all gloves are gonna give you that like door knocker thing you know it's just the way the padding is going to be but like those USC gloves Keep your fingers like I exact I poking. Like let's create Yeah, and Trevor Whitman has gloves that are better like he's invented them and he's like these would work

Hilarie Rose:

because the UFC wants them to have the UFC name like I listen to this on Joe Rogan and like he's like no, I want all of the promotions to have them like I think the UFC wants them to be there you I suppose. Yeah. But he's like no, like I want all promotions to have

Dave Clarke:

fighters and every promotion right? So he doesn't want to like you know, he wants all his fighters to be protected. Yeah, he's probably better off being like well, I can give it to four different promotions or you know 10 different promotions all the regional places and if just UFC doesn't have it well, I'm protecting more fighters that way so

Hilarie Rose:

100% But yeah, I don't know. I he has the ideal glove. That's what they say. So

Dave Clarke:

but after that below Muhammad fight I was like alright now's the time you know you just ruined like a title fight and most people are like the the fight for it to be a title fight like a huge Yeah. And it's ruined for through an iPod and it's totally the UFC is false like come on guys figure it out.

Hilarie Rose:

Yeah, it was a weird like that guy was kicking like when you kick your hands are open so like he was kicking as the guy was coming in so it was also like a weird it's totally regardless.

Unknown:

Yeah,

Hilarie Rose:

yeah and it can be in what was it? What was it two weeks ago there was really bad I spoke to before that one.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, it was like it was it was like two weeks in a row is like one yeah, I forget who the first one was. But yeah, it was like one and then another really bad one right after? Yeah, like Damn, dude.

Hilarie Rose:

So yeah, they gotta do something about it. I'm surprised they haven't at this point, honestly. All right, well, I'm

Dave Clarke:

gonna write a strongly worded letter today.

Hilarie Rose:

We all should.

Unknown:

Are you are you superstitious, Hilarie?

Hilarie Rose:

No, not really.

Michael Marcangelo:

Okay, great. Thanks. So

Hilarie Rose:

perfect.

Michael Marcangelo:

So if I were to tell you that you earn 83% favorite to win this fight? How? How do you feel about that? Because I feel I feel like that's that's overwhelming.

Hilarie Rose:

my cursor that should be at 8%. And I was like, Okay. The thing is, I think that people are picking me to win just because they have more fights. I think that it's not even like, I think it's just experiment. Experience wise, because those people who run those pages or fans, you know, based off like, you know, a fan's perspective. So, you know, someone who knows her and knows her really well, it's gonna obviously go Yeah, I want to overheard her. But if you look at me and the experience I have, I think that that, you know, obviously people are like, Okay, well, Hilarie has six pro fights, this girl's making her debut. You know, it's, it's obvious that Hilarie is gonna win. But I think that's just what people expect. Because, you know, but you know, fights a fight to fight, so anything can happen.

Michael Marcangelo:

What's interesting is because now that we've been talking a little bit about how you're, you have a few things up your sleeve, right, and you're stronger, and this girl doesn't like to get hit 7% of people only think that you're gonna knock her out. The rest of them think that it's going to be submission or decision. So it sounds like, again, that they're that they're grasping at straws, because they don't know who this person is. Yeah. But if you were her, would you take in this fight? No. Why not? Well, one,

Hilarie Rose:

I think that my coaches when I've taken the fight if I mean, maybe not, I guess it all depends on the fight. But coming off of like, I'm coming off contender, like, you know, had a good opportunity. And I've, I mean, I guess if you look at the girls that I have fought, who have losing records, people think okay, well, she beat people who don't have really good records. So maybe she fought to tough girls on her record. So, you know, it's probably not that bad of a fight. Or, you know, she's just really ballsy. And she's like, yeah, I'll take it. It's good experience. Good experience, you know. But yeah, I wonder that mean, my coaches wonder that like, what, I wonder what the her coaches say, when they think yeah, this is a good fight.

Michael Marcangelo:

Yeah. Because again, it's like if you go on there, and you win great, right? Like you just beat a season probe. But there's also a chance you get your app. So that's what Yeah, and and it looks bad for the camp, the coaches, everyone, like, why would they put you in this position? Right, you strike me as a person that doesn't like that won't back down. I think you've actually told us before, that your coaches would have to tell you and pull you out of the octagon out of the cage and say, Listen, you can't take this fight.

Hilarie Rose:

And ultimately, it would be, it would be their decision. If, like, if I was offered a fight, you know, or it was my pro debut, and they're like, Hey, we got this chick who's, you know, coming off contender and this and that, I think that they'd maybe say no, but like, when I made my debut, I was fighting a girl who was wanting to and that chick was built like a fucking brick shithouse. Like, literally like, like, you still look up pictures of her today, and she is strong as hell so but she had a losing record. So you know, in our coaches mind, you know, they think okay, this is a good fight. We watched her, you know, you could beat her and I had, you know, good moments, but she was again, it was the physically strong thing that was something that I've been lacking from the start. So, you know, took me a few fights to figure that shit out. Also,

Michael Marcangelo:

how many amateur fights would you say you had? I had eight. So this a lot has only had five right and, and so she's four and one two of them are the ombre we talked about one of them was was a decision and the other one was she wanted because of an illegal kick. Someone elbowed her elbow. Yeah, sorry. I quickly,

Hilarie Rose:

I think I think she was losing that fight or something like

Michael Marcangelo:

that. So it was hard for me to find to find a tape on her. I just wonder. So knowing that we'll just call it Yeah, you won that fight, but you were losing. So let's just say three in one. And now you're gonna fight someone who's had eight amateur fights, and six pro fights. I can't imagine what she must be thinking especially coming coming out of a situation where she doesn't have a camp. So let's play a little bit of the game here. Again, I don't want you to give away any secret But what would you tell her? To amp her up to fight you? Or let's say it's not you that she's fighting? She's fighting some other fight is foreign to how do you get her amped up and make her feel like she? She's actually she belongs in this fight.

Hilarie Rose:

I would tell her. I probably tell her she needs to faint, hard. And she needs to get me to the ground and hold me down there. Like, that's what I would say, oh, that girl looks like she can strike pretty well on her feet. But you know, she's comfortable being against the cage. So if you get her on the cage, I think you do good lands and strikes. You get her on the ground? Yeah, I mean, I would just say, you know, I don't fucking know. I know.

Dave Clarke:

It's gonna be tough. It's gonna be tough to find mashups for you right now, though, too, because you're on this bubble. Where that like, not a lot of people. Yeah. It's it's like, not a lot of people are on that bubble, though. It's like, you know, it's like you, you know, you have that contender series fight. Okay, you didn't win it. But there was also a clear cut thing you could do to improve. And like, if you had that, if you had that, I'm sure you feel if you had that fight again, tomorrow, or on Friday, and it was Cheyanne uys. Again, I'm sure you wou d do completely differently now that you've like, upped your str ngth and all that stuff. So it's like, it's like, okay, ther was one thing lacking in your ame, you improved it. So who el e is there? Like no one really you know, it's like, they're th y're either in the promotio , or they're at the very, very t p of this promotion. So it's pro ably not too easy in two weeks t get somebody who's, we're not oing to be talking like this a out, you know what I mean? It's ike, right, yeah, she's, he's getting fed to the sha ks a little bit. But like, I on't know, like, what was the what was the alternative? You now? So it's like, kudos to h r, I guess, for taking the fig t. I mean, it seems to be st cked against

Hilarie Rose:

She seems nice. And like, she's a competitor. So she competes in jujitsu all the time. So she's probably comfortable competing. So you know, if you're comfortable competing, then you know, you're less fearful probably getting in there cuz you compete all the time. So she's probably like, all right, this is just like another

Dave Clarke:

show different though. With the punches to the face factor.

Hilarie Rose:

Yes. I get more terrified doing grappling events than I do fights and I'm a hot mess when it comes to the fights.

Dave Clarke:

Really? Why the why Yeah.

Hilarie Rose:

I think it's just, it's mental. It's me wanting to do well, I'm putting I think pressure on myself to want to do well. And then I'm like, Oh, do I have the ability and skill like, like, I think, Oh, god, I'm nervous to fight this day viewer. But what happens if I'm in the UFC? fighting someone who's like, 10 in three? Like, what am I going to be like, then what's my fucking nerves gonna be then? But nerves are good, they're natural. So, you know, hopefully, I go out there and smash this chick.

Dave Clarke:

You got to just use it. Just use the factor that the lights aren't just just aren't as hot for you as they are for her. You know what I mean? It's like you've been in like, the highest situation you like that? You're like, you know, it's like, those lights are bright. Yeah, you did those UFC lights? Like, these aren't aren't gonna be as bright. Yeah, it's, it's gonna burn for her. It's gonna be like, Damn, like, you know, it. Like we talked about everything crystallizing for you like the nutrition, you know, the weight training, the same thing I think is going to crystallize for her on the other side, when it's just like, Oh, yeah. Oh, no. Yeah, I would feel if I was,

Hilarie Rose:

I think I'm hoping that I'll be able to, like, hit her a good few times. And like, see your weekend and be like, Oh,

Dave Clarke:

I'm doing good. Show her the level of keep showing, you know, showing the level. It's like, if you you know, it's like any sport. It's like, if if you're, if you give a team that's markedly worse than you the chance to build confidence. And that's when they get them get them get a chance to steal the wind from a more talented opponent. It's like, you got to just impose your will early, you know, all this stuff. I don't know why I'm coaching.

Michael Marcangelo:

I'm just nervous. That's coach Clark.

Unknown:

I want you to win. We do.

Michael Marcangelo:

You know, you mentioned that you were you're kind of apprehensive about the fight only because like, there's no real benefit, but it's good practice for you. Right. So knowing that you are you know, you're you're just off the contender series, I guess. What's your path back to potential UFC? But how do you get back? How do you get back there because I think I would love to see a Cheyanne Buys v rsus Hilarie rematch because I do know that based on what I s w in her fight and what you've been doing over the last six mo ths, you're just more equipp d to handle her.

Hilarie Rose:

I think so to my goal is to not rush at this point. I think that if I can get a few fights this year, you know, like two or three fights this year, and then that opportunity comes up whether it's contender or like a last minute fight. I think just being comfortable in the cage is my biggest thing. I think I had such a long layoff between you know, my last fight and then the contender series that I just I think I just need to be more active so I'm not in any rush to get to the UFC. I don't want to be one of those people who gets there and then you know, loses three in a row and wins one and then gets cut so I don't want to have a short career there. I want to have a long career there. And I'm you know, I think for a while I was in such a rush to want to be in the UFC be in the UFC but I needed you know, I of course that's what I want to be what I want to do, everybody wants to be in the UFC if they fight but I think at this point I just want to get a few more wins and then fight but I mean obviously if I win this fight, and then the see calls or they have an opportunity i'm going to take it from you take that opportunity you don't say no so again not in a rush hoping i can get a few fights in before i get another opportunity just so uncomfortable and there isn't that like sometimes like when i fought Cheyanne Buys i didn't feel like i was like i was awar but i like wasn't aware it's like just one second behind nd i think because they hadn't been in the cage in a while tha was why like i was getting my wits and like figuring out the cage so like this camp we did lot more like training inside of a cage where i think Cheyan e Buys we didn't do as much beca se it was more COVID like c azy so we spent a lot of time at yellow zones and he has a age so we trained a lot of spar ing there so i think just cage awareness and being comforta le in the actual cage i think he ll do way better in a

Michael Marcangelo:

yeah the reason why i asked is because i don't like a fighters career short just right it's a shorter than every other major sport so great i think if you were to ask the majority of fighters they had so i obviously i want to get to the pinnacle of the sport as fast as possible but now that you've kind of you've been there you know what it takes to stay there right yeah so real it's very

Hilarie Rose:

easy to get there are a there

Michael Marcangelo:

so so realistically right and i'm just gonna i'm gonna will positive thoughts you're gonna you're gonna make it to the ufc right how long are you going to fight for Hilarie

Hilarie Rose:

i'm not sure i'll probably find as long as my body will let me yeah so if i don't have any like crazy injuries and you know i don't need a bunch of wild surgeries like like on my mind or now like i'm 28 i'm yep don't have like i don't want to have kids anytime soon like that's just not top of mind like i don't plan to have kids anytime soon so i think that's a lot of what other people is like oh i want to start a family and i want to build the house and i want to do all this stuff where for me like my life is just fighting so yeah i think that i probably fight till you know i feel like females have a later prime like 30 to 33 like if you watch like angela hill she started training when she was like 2425 and she's now like 33 and in her prime so i think i still have a lot of time until i hit my prime so i think within the next two years or so i'll hit there but probably like 3536 i don't know as long as my coaches will let me

Dave Clarke:

i mean it's really what it is also like 2021 right so it's like if you want to be a girl a lady a woman and be like oh i'm just gonna do this for my career then that's completely fine you know and like nobody should really give you any shit for that because it's like yeah sure enough kids in the world anyway like i wouldn't worry about it they're running around every every time i look out the window there's like 30 of them running like

Hilarie Rose:

i can barely take care of me

Unknown:

i know exactly what i'm like i get

Hilarie Rose:

a job now i gotta worry about that yeah

Dave Clarke:

i mean 30 is the new 18 as far as like the boomers compared to us go so like

Hilarie Rose:

i told my sister cuz she turned 30 was like

Dave Clarke:

yeah it was impressive it was depressing depressing moment but i'm feeling okay

Michael Marcangelo:

yeah i know i we want to talk about your fight a little bit more but i want to ask you another question miesha tate announced that she's coming back talk to me about your feelings about that because i thought i really liked her in the cage i thought she was i thought she was fun to watch in terms of of the promotion of the fight yeah and she was great in the in the octagon too so what like what are your thoughts on her coming back

Hilarie Rose:

she's a no g so i like miesha tate i think she's great i just hope that from when me and my coach we're talking about this on the ride up to philly and i'm like we just hope that like the levels that have changed from when she first started fighting to now are so drastic so i mean and she's sushi last fall just popped up to kids i know she was struggling with like depression and all sorts of stuff wasn't like in a good place so i am curious to see how she'll do she's finding a woman who's you know older she's 43 so she's a little older i'd like to see her be successful because you know she's very likable person but i just don't know i don't know how it's gonna go i hope that it will go really well for her because she's again a very likable fighter she's been around for a really long time yeah she's an original like woman gangster fighter so like she's one of those you know people that you look up to when you're a woman and you fight so you know i really hope she succeeds but i hope that she's also getting and changing her game a little bit i think she was very one one style games where she likes to you know obviously throw hands and then get you get down to the ground and stuff like that but yeah i'm curious to see how she's changed since her last fights obviously so

Michael Marcangelo:

so stay away from amanda is what you're saying far away

Hilarie Rose:

yeah she shouldn't fight amanda and yeah on another pinnacle of you know

Michael Marcangelo:

there was there was there was discussion we're getting in my way rabbit hole i'm sorry like there was discussion that amanda might fight was it is it logan paul but he didn't want to take the flight the youtube guy yeah yeah we we all know that that she would fucking eat him for dinner right but it's all

Hilarie Rose:

yeah i mean in a boxing match i don't know how they do i mean i think she's obviously I think he walked around like 220 years. But I mean, if it was an MMA fight, I think she crushes him in a boxing match. I'm not sure how it would go I think it would be good and she lands some good strikes. I don't think she'd be able to kayo him but I think she holds her own. Yeah, but I don't know about him like he's way bigger. So, but she's way more technical and shields so it's like it's such a weird like, it's hard to compare the two. I'm curious to see how he does with Mayweather

Michael Marcangelo:

Oh, he's gonna get absolutely killed. I mean, like, you know, you guys are you guys are Connor fans. Right and Connor Is it is it that if that Conor Mayweather thing took fight took place in the octagon that would have lasted 10 seconds. We all know that. But in that ring, like Mayweather, he doesn't typically stand in the middle. And he stood right in the middle and dared Connor to hit him and he just couldn't do

Dave Clarke:

it. No, no, no, no, no, no, that's not what happened. Well,

Michael Marcangelo:

that's exactly what happened. Here. He

Dave Clarke:

dared Canada and first of all, kind of did hit him a bunch of times. And if they didn't have big pillows on their hands, he they would have hit those punches were hurt a lot more. Second of all. Second of all, he caught them a good few times in the first I'm not gonna get into this with you. It's going to take too long, but I disagree. We can talk about this later.

Michael Marcangelo:

You just can't make the pillow argument when Mayweather knocked him down.

Dave Clarke:

He was tired. He was clearly tired. He's got better conditioning now. I think if they fought again he can do a lot better.

Michael Marcangelo:

So your fight is this Friday? It's CFF c 95. We all know you're gonna win the fight we're all rooting for you right? When is the next fight after this? How soon do you would you like to fight after this?

Hilarie Rose:

Depending obviously how like, you know if I go unscathed, and like I'm uninjured. I'd like to fight probably like August you know sometime before it like summer's over I'd like to enjoy some of my summer but like July or August I'd be totally you know hip to fighting I have a two fight contract with them. So I'll fight this fight and then she'll have another fight I think I was originally like, months ago supposed to fight for their title, but the girl was injured so I think that if I win this fight then the title fight is the option so I'm curious I'm not sure if another fight comes up and that's totally fine too. But I have two fights under their contract and I'll get this one down and then hopefully you know if they have something like ended July August then I'm totally I'm totally in for that so

Dave Clarke:

I think I'm like you know, now that we're kind of returning to some normalcy and like the world I think it's fair for you to like want July to like chill

Unknown:

like fair enough. I think everyone deserves July Yeah.

Hilarie Rose:

Yeah. Time to eat and enjoy the summer because like all Last summer I was finding training for contender series so and I was originally supposed to fight early July and then obviously everything got pushed back. So my camp like doubled in time so I mean, it was Corona times anyway, so it's not like there was much to do. But yeah, I'd like to enjoy a little bit of my summer and then definitely have a fight before the fall and then have a fight like at the end of the year possible. So three fights would be ideal for this year.

Michael Marcangelo:

So and not not to not to peel the curtain back too much but like what are you what are negotiations like when you say you have a to fight contract right now that you just came off the contender series? I guess you have a little you have a little sway right. You are, are pretty known commodity in the fight. Right. So. So I guess from my perspective, like let's say that this fight on Friday is a blowout do you do then renegotiate for another couple of fights after the after one? Or do you wait until your contract is up after two?

Hilarie Rose:

I probably will just do the other one. My manager does all that. So usually he just tells me but the I'll probably have the two fights with them. Like if it's the title fight, then that's probably what I'll take because I mean, the title fight looks good. So when you win, you're the champ of a promotion and like Al Jemaine was the champ of cffc so you know Caitlyn cakey and was the cffc champion so it looks good when you're the champ so obviously think I would like to fight for the title and like hold the hold another title would be cool. I had one as an amateur so having one as a pro would be cool just to have in usually when your title fight you know, you get those last minute calls for the UFC and it looks good. Like I have a friend who fought over the weekend too. He didn't do as well Fabio. But you know, he was the LFA champion you got a last minute you know, three day notice fight and you may not have won, but it looks good when you accept fights like that and when you're the champ so I think having the name there and having like a title hold holding a title like also looks good.

Michael Marcangelo:

Another word we're kind of up against. But I do have just one last question because I know that your opponent this week is taking this fight on a two week notice no camp, right? So let's say that the champion in cffc has a scheduled fight their opponent falls out how short of a window would you feel comfortable with actually accepting that that challenge?

Hilarie Rose:

That's a good question. Because the the thing is after this fight, I probably will start training to prepare to fight that girl anyway. She has like a Taekwondo II type strange style of someone that I've never really fought before. But she's also very beautiful. So like she does a lot of things that you know, leave openings but after this fight open Probably anyway start to prep for her because I think I'm going to be anticipating that fight so I think I just be ready just working on things anyway because I think that that could definitely be an option or that a fight you know, could fall out. But I think that I'm really just the one in line for her next. So,

Michael Marcangelo:

yeah. So right before we go, I want you I want to give you some time so that you can tell everyone where they can find you what you're gonna be up to, obviously at that big fight at cffc 95. This Friday, but where can they find you on social media?

Hilarie Rose:

Yeah, find me on Instagram @HilarieroseMMA or Facebook.com/Hilarie.rose I have a Twitter but I don't use it. I should probably get on that. But yeah, you can find me anywhere. Very simple. Hilarie rose. I'm everywhere. So support me. Follow me and wish me luck.

Michael Marcangelo:

Yeah, we do. You are You are our favorite. And thank you so much for jumping on the show again for the third time. We can't wait to have you back. Of

Hilarie Rose:

course. I love talking to you guys. You guys are the best.

Michael Marcangelo:

It's awesome. So for DK sizzle Dave Clarke Craig D'Alessandro. My name is Michael markangelo. Thank you so much Hilarie rose and you've been listening to missing the point.

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