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It's missing the point.
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It's a robo recap show.
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The tone, the tenor.
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Sort of on this side of things, because we have uh half the show, unfortunately, are Patriots fans.
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But before that, I got some news from Mike before the show started, and before you guys got here, because we're we're punctual, the two of us.
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There is results in the prediction game, and has been actually for weeks, but we just haven't checked it.
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Mike, take us through what happened, please, if you don't mind.
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You you've done the count for us graciously.
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What happened in the prediction show?
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What's what are the results?
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Drum roll, please.
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So team NFC.
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Which was who?
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Well, you and me.
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Okay, cool, cool.
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Jesus, Dave.
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Squeaked by the side.
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Oh, I don't know.
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Squeaked by with an with the narrow seven to five victory over team AFC.
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Okay.
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You'll be happy to know that neither team picked any single player honors or coach of the year or first coach fired.
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So that was sick.
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Neither team steal amounted to anything.
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So we we know we know football.
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We know ball prediction show works.
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I feel like I feel like next year we need to be like with those superlatives, like, I don't know if we've ever gotten one right.
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It's kind of hard to guess those, to be honest.
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But you have a decent idea, like chance of getting some of those things.
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Anyway, good win, Mike.
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I'm I'm glad I'm not holding you down again for another year.
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Same.
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You've only lost you've only lost the one year, right?
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That's your you're on a your your streak is reignited.
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Just the last year, yeah.
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Dynasty continues.
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But you and I have been predicting for three years, so two out of three, right?
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Yeah.
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Uh oh Jesus, Mike.
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I expect you remember everything about the prediction show all the time.
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Yeah, because I was 4-0 with Bobby.
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Yeah, wow.
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Impressive considering how terrible he's doing on the other team.
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Nice.
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Just kidding.
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All right, well, we'll be the AFC team next year.
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I do just want to say, DK, my favorite pick that I had to steal.
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I had to convince you.
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I had to, I don't know what I had to give up in order to do this.
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But I said, you need to let me pick Dallas.
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I'm gonna take them at 7 and 10.
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7, 9, and 10.
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You weren't doing that on purpose because you lost the Super Bowl.
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That's all that's the only thing we brought that up.
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We're about to spend the next hour talking about like neither of them have recent memories.
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So like at least we can start off with a little bit of cowboys hate.
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We've got to fit it into every show when you and Mike are on the same show.
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Well, score one for the you guys had an easy schedule, brigade, I guess.
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That was a tough defense to play against.
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I don't know if anybody was beating that team on Sunday.
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I I I didn't think it was over as quickly as you guys did.
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I was wrong on that count.
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Uh I don't know.
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I I'm gonna let Bobby go first on this one.
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Can you just give me an overview of what you saw before we we have to make these poor fuckers talk about their team losing in the Super Bowl?
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Yeah, to me, what so I agree that it definitely shouldn't have been as out of reach.
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Like the score wasn't as out of reach as the game actually felt into that third quarter just because of how lost Drake May actually looked.
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Like, I I totally understand that it definitely wasn't all his fault.
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Will Campbell was on an island all night and he was getting absolutely worked.
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Will Campbell?
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T Rex R is Will Campbell.
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The entire game getting worked.
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So I I know it's not all his fault, but even when he did have moments where he had a chance to make the play, he missed at least four throws where he had his feet set, guys, wide open, and he would miss them by like five, ten yards.
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So, like I mean, that interception was the worst throw of the postseason.
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It was so bad.
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So bad.
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So when you're doing things like that, it's like if your entire offense is playing bad, what brings you out of that gutter?
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What brings you out of the out of those trenches into quarterback?
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And if he's playing like that, it just I just didn't see a shot in that bit of a big of a game in the Super Bowl on that big of a stage, it just you know what I mean.
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When when the second place MVP quarterback plays like that in the biggest game of the year, it's it's tough to come back in that situation.
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Like people kept bringing up 28 to 3, and it's like, what happened with 28 to 3?
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You had the greatest quarterback of all, right?
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You had Tom Brady, and that just wasn't it, it was the complete opposite of that.
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This past ones.
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It's it's unfortunate too, because I really feel like the best performance of the entire game was by a Patriot in in Gonzalez, and I feel like he was keeping them in it for the entire game.
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And I wish they could have repaid him on the other half of the other half of the ball.
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Mike, sorry to say your Patriots lost to the to the old Seattle Seahawks.
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I don't know if that's obviously not news to you, but I I mean Ray was saying when we did the prediction show, or I wouldn't call it a prediction show, the preview show.
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It's really about how you lose.
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I can't imagine that you're super happy with this and how you lost, and it's probably not.
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We're probably not in a place where you can say to yourself, Well, we had a great season, we defied expectations, because you did, but the way you lost that game and how frustrating it must have been to watch from your perspective, because it was frustrating from my perspective, and I wasn't a fan of either team.
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Where are you now after a couple of days of emotions sort of calmed down, or are you just furious?
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No, so I'm I am the in the you know, we defied expectations.
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Uh because I didn't know the show, everybody.
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All right, have a good rest of you because I knew because Ray's not, I can already tell by his face.
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Well, he's going last.
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Everyone, everyone that says, you know, they have the easiest schedule, blah blah blah blah blah.
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Okay, whatever.
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Sure, great.
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But no, no other team in NFL.
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I mean, unfortunately, it you know, watch me, watch me because no no one doing fucking victory laps right now.
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Yeah, well, those people are dumb because no other NFL team had beaten the top three or three top five NFL defenses to get to a Super Bowl.
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So that whole easy schedule in the in the regular season, we did what we needed to do the postseason, except it's hard for me to make that argument when you lose in the the way that you did because when when it was nine-nothing, it felt like it was 28-0.
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Like there was we could do nothing on offense.
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The defense was doing everything that they could do to keep us alive.
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And then I I felt like the game really turned, like it was really over.
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Over.
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I think it was in in the third quarter, fourth and one, and we punted.
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Yeah, like the de the defense just knew at that point that justified immediately.
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You got the ball back right away.
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I yeah, but you didn't you didn't trust your offense to get to get a yard with a 40-yard line.
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You got the ball back immediately.
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Oh, yeah, but would you have tried would you have trusted the offense to get a yard?
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They were they looked terrible all game.
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I mean to be fair, the only thing that the only thing that was working for them was the run game with Ramondre up the middle, was the only thing that actually was working.
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So, I mean, I I would have personally in that in that moment.
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I I was shocked they didn't go for that on that fourth and on that fourth.
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Yeah, it's just that's like this there's no way, Dave, that she would have wanted Ben Johnson to kick that no fucking way, bro.
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Like, come on, man, no way, like as a fan.
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No, I don't think so.
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No, but that's yeah, I'm like, I'm like, I love you.
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You know, you know too much to say it like that.
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And I I I get it.
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It was immediately justified.
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They went three and out.
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Your defense is playing well.
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They get they they weren't scoring a ton either, you know.
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Every time they went down the field, they were scoring field goals, and you guys said yourself, if they score again field goal or or touchdown, it's over.
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So they kept the game alive.
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I mean, if you don't get it on fourth and one, it's over, it's over over in that moment, right?
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Because you were in field goal.
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Yeah, what is that?
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I mean, what is it?
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The sign that that that that that showed the defense was that you're gonna have to do everything in this game, including like you're gonna have to score all the points.
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You're and that already by that point.
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I just honest with you.
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I just this is like the opposite of the fourth and two from a long time ago with what with Bill and Brady.
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I think the same like he felt Vrabel thinks so little, thought so little of his offense, which he absolutely should have, right?
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I agree.
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But if you if you're telling me that you don't trust your team to to gain three and a half they would have picked up that first down based on everything you watched in that game.
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I'd rather I'd rather them go out trying.
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I also think thank you, thank you.
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Like it's I think that that drive, too, to me, was honestly the most promising drive that they had for most of that second half.
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Like they actually got a few first downs on that drive, if I'm not mistaken.
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So for for for them to to me, it just seems like they're punting away their best chance at that moment.
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So that there's there's two plays, right?
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So that play there, obviously, you know, where they go to fourth and one.
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There was a play where they call it a seven route, but it's a it's a post corner.
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Austin Hooper was as wide open.
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I mean, I mean he was open as a freeway.
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It was, I mean, my god.
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And have you seen Derek?
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Because Hooper's not what he was, you know, in Atlanta or Cleveland, so he wasn't gonna outrun anybody, but he would have got 30 or 40 yards.
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Now you're in business.
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Maybe you get at that point, you get 19, 14.
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Now, now it becomes a game, right?
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Uh once again, that that throw to Hollands was beautiful in the fourth quarter.
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Like it was just it was finally all right, you know what, uh F it, you know, we we have nothing to lose, just throw it.
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Which I wish they had played.
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I I wish they had played like that all game because maybe they would have had different results.
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But uh we said all year Drake's a rhythm guy, and uh he was never in rhythm until the fourth quarter, and it was just too late by that time because it was basically just like just they would do whatever they could just not to lose, meaning Seattle.
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But yeah, you you can't I'm sorry, I like and also that fourth and two, we'll talk about from a regular season game, like whatever.
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Like, this is a Super Bowl, dog.
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Like, I don't, I don't I'm going now swinging.
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I'm not I'm not playing analytics, I'm not field position.
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Are you kidding?
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Analytics probably wasn't.
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Say it again.
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Analytics always says go for it on fourth and what I think.
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It's well, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
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So I'm like that, that's that's no, but no, I'm oh that's yeah, but I'm like, I'm like, sorry, I meant to say I'm not playing the field, but I'm not playing field position at that moment.
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I'm not, I'm sorry.
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And once again, we've seen many times throughout the year that he went for it on fourth down.
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Hell, they did it to get to the Super Bowl.
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They did it.
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I mean, I mean, that pointed to it at larger identities.
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You can't, you can't do that there.
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What's the point in me that says I'm done at that moment?
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Or we're done.
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I guess.
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I mean, I I just disagree that that's the moment the game was over because you got the ball back immediately with tons of time left on the clock.
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And after that was when you actually started moving it down the field, and Collinsworth goes, Oh, he's actually starting to read the defense, and then he just throws like the worst pass of the game.
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And it's like you still the game was still there to be won after you punt that ball, and you started getting it like you got the ball back right away.
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You start moving the ball down the field.
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Drake's finally starting to like see open guys and like and split that zone defense that the Seahawks have been playing for the entire day, right?
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Which Drake, honestly, for the entire season has been one of the I wouldn't, I don't know the statistics, but I would say probably top five QBs in in splitting the zone.
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You know, I mean it was I feel like going out there against the Drake May of week eight and playing a zone defense, yes, admittedly, they got a ton of pressure on him.
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I get that.
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But in in the times where he did have time, which of there were a few, he for the first time was driving down the field and actually splitting up that zone and actually finding guys inside the seams until I don't know what happened.
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He threw just diabolical passes.
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They sped him up because once again, him with him being a rhythm guy.
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If they let him go into a rhythm early, it would have been game over.
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Because he sped himself up on that last throw, though.
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Like there wasn't even anywhere anywhere near him.
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He like ran up to the to the offensive line and just threw like a terrible pass.
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And I just feel like it's uh like the game was still my only overall point is the game was still there to be won.
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There was still time on the clock, and they weren't up by that much, you know.
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So is it it like the momentum completely shifts?
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Trust me.
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I mean, I like the entire time that we were in that position when you were down, what was it, 12?
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I was like, Caleb would do it.
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Come on, Drake.
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Fucking Caleb would come back right now, like just do it right now.
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Play like shit all game, and then fucking have an amazing three minutes and win the fucking game.
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It's not that hard.
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And I just I could see it.
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There was still an opportunity to actually go and do it, right?
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There was enough mathematical time left, but also uh an opportunity for a huge momentum shift if you if you had a drive drove down the field and scored in that moment, and especially because that touchdown pass had already happened.
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It was beautiful, it was a beautiful play, like you said.
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So it's like, oh shit, like the Seahawks would then start to panic and like the quicksand would set in, you know, but like he just throws that duck and then the rest of the room.
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But the play, the play you're talking about that he when he ran into the lineman.
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I don't know whether it was either Wilson or Bradbury.
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Now, armchairs like us, we we see from the area of view that if he literally just flies to the left, uh, he has the first down because he can run out.
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It's different when them boys like Leonard Williams is right in front of you saying, Hey, don't run from me, right?
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Like that's basically what what he was dealing with.
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We can see, hey, if you scatter to the left, you got the first down, or at least you know, uh, five or six yards.
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I mean, he was hearing footsteps, though, you gotta admit.
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No, that's that's what I'm saying.
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It's it's easy is easier for us to say when we're looking at it from like 10 different views on TV saying, hey, he could run to get it.
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It's just hard to deal with Augustine when that when that's in your face.
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It just sucks that legit every time that we have lost a Super Bowl, I guess outside of the the Giants, I mean the Eagles won.
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If you have a decent front four, it's it's it's all it's all set.
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You don't you don't you don't have to have a great secondary, you don't have to have great line.
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If you just have a front four that can go get it.
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It's like it's it's it's it's it's wild.
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And once again, I don't think laugh because Lennon Williams, a former jet, and Sam John now world champion.
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So I'm like that that's that's unbelievable to me.
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Not for the Jets, too.
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To your point, to your point, DK, like Drake was was one of the best quarterbacks against the zone all year, but he never played uh against a defense that played zone and could rush the passer.
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Right.
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Usually you play zone because you can't get pressure.
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Seattle had no fucking problem because apparently Will Campbell decided that this game, he was going to be the worst statistical left tackle in the last four seasons.
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He allowed 14 pressures.
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14 pressures in one game.
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He was also just getting thrown.
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It was a it was just a bad tape look, too, because it's like, yeah, it would you know, sometimes you're just outclassed by the guys on the edge, sometimes they're running a really good scheme on you, sometimes they're you know running two guys at you, or isolating you, or whatever.
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The tape was just him getting thrown around.
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The tape was just fully him getting absolutely fucking thrown around.
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I mean, Drake got sacked with him as a shovel, like multiple times, and it was just like Jesus Christ, Campbell.
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I mean, it was from the start of the game, too.