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How does Matt Nagy still have a job? The Patriots are a threat again

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On this episode of MTP: we talk about if the Patriots have once again become a forced to be reckoned  with in the NFL, how Matt Nagy Is still the head coach of the Chicago Bears, and we’ll take a look at the big shake up in this week’s NFL Power Rankings
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Transcript
Craig D'Alessandro:

On this episode of MTP we talked about the Patriots have once again become a force to be reckoned with in the NFL how Matt naggy still has a head coaching job with these Chicago Bears. And we'll take a look at the big shake up in this week Power Rankings This is missing the point, Episode 97. Happy Thanksgiving

Dave Clarke:

How do you want to be in this? This this episode of television be at the IRS.

Rob Kelly:

I like that. But well we're just like that. Welcome to missing the point everyone. SDK just set a television for your ears. I'm the real BK Bob Kelly. SDK says Oh, as always a producer Craig D'Alessandro, probably so we'll just jump right into it probably the weirdest two weeks of football that I can possibly remember in a weird season. Yeah, the past three weeks man I've been just wild Yeah, no, literally there no one wants to be the best team no

Dave Clarke:

one's terrible. I mean there's a couple of people that are a couple of teams are terrible, but like that usual suspects, but like the one there's I remember a season like this Do you remember this might be a deep cut for you. But do you remember the soccer season where at Leicester City won the league? And everybody was like talking about it? Because like they were like not good? Actually, it was like 2018 2019 Maybe a little bit before that. Actually, I think it was like 2016 Maybe I don't know. I can't remember it all blends but especially post pandemic my time dilation is just completely fucked. But like the reason why they won the league and it was like a nice story but the reason why they won the league is because nobody was good that year like everybody else fucking fell off so and like not to take away from their accomplishments but like they haven't wanted since and like I think that might be this season might be put in the NFL might be poised to have a fucking weird team when the Super Bowl because like maybe the Cowboys I don't know I could see it. I mean, I know they're coming off an L but like, someone weird I think is gonna win because everybody at the start of the season now you don't think like this now, but everyone at the start of the season was like the bills, man Holy shit, like they're fucking scary. Like the sheets, the fucking books like, like the dark horses that are now emerging as the dark horses. Were not the same dark horses we had at the start of the season. And like, it's, I mean, it's been kind of fun to watch because you can actually watch like neutral games, and it's not a foregone conclusion, because there was a couple of years there were like, every time the Kansas City Chiefs played a team they was they were pretty much guaranteed to win, which kind of gets boring, you know? So it's like, now you get to tune into games on like Thursday nights and it's like, there's no really like dud games like really you know, it's like especially right around now in the season when there's like bye weeks like for all the teams it's like oh great the fucking or like the what I always call the all time worst game like the Steelers are playing the Ravens like it's a divisional game. Like you guys are gonna love it. I'm like, Yeah, I can't wait to watch it be like six to three if it's like someone gets to safety and other team gets to feel close. And then they like shake hands and all day long. But it's like, I think every game has been interesting like every time that tightens I think you're gonna win for some reason. And then they don't they lose to weird team. Like, I

Rob Kelly:

know they have a big injury. But then like they won games that I didn't think they were gonna win after that. It's like bad fits been fun. It just seems like no one wants anytime. So this leads right into the Cowboys. Anytime a team has a chance to really take a grasp on that number one spot. Every single week. It seems like that team blows it. And this week that was unfortunately, by Dallas Cowboys. So after seeing the Titans get embarrassed by the Texans at home in Tennessee, which is the worst part about that. A volt seems to because like I would have said they were the worst team in the NFL going into Texas. Absolutely. Yeah, they're more the lines. It was close. But cowboys going just lay it out to the dog man. I kind of saw it coming. This is the first game cross got is played without Amari Cooper, and about two years. And I don't know if you guys remember, pre Amari Dak Prescott. But this is kind of what it looked like every once in a while where he was just off for some reason missing throws, and I feel like with Dak once the snowball starts, it's hard to stop it which is kind of scary for our future prospects here. But weird though, isn't

Dave Clarke:

it because like I feel like his ceiling to me is like not a Cowboys fan is like very high and like I feel like I watch him play in high profile games like, like the Chiefs game that he performs. If you know correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like you know, it's like when they played Tampa Bay at the start of the year like he was mashing Brady throw for throw, which isn't a good strategy when you're playing Tom Brady, but like it was still impressive on an individual level watching back to that. So I thought I was a little surprised that he didn't kind of come to play like he played exceptionally badly in that game and I'm a little surprised considering the stage. What happens

Rob Kelly:

with him is he gets happy feet in the pocket. To where once he starts to get rocks, man, he takes so many bad sacks and so many fumbles. That's like a

Dave Clarke:

rookie thing that he needs to get rid of though. There's no excuses for that anymore. Like, you need to just have some fucking pocket presence and awareness. He did.

Rob Kelly:

Yeah. And I mean, like I said, once you started going downhill for the Cowboys. I mean, once we start missing penalties once, once there's things that happen out of the Cowboys control, they let it get in their head for some reason again, I think that goes back to coaching. I think we're coffee was a joke.

Dave Clarke:

Do you really? I feel like wouldn't you be happy with it right now? Yeah,

Rob Kelly:

I'm more happy with Dan Quinn. I think the defector like great I guess the Chiefs considering you know, the chiefs was supposed to be back we only gave up 19 points after looking like we're gonna get shredded all game it just like I said, the Cowboys had a chance to me to really stand out and show that they are the best team in the NFL, because they beat the chiefs on Sunday. We're sitting here we're having a conversation about why aren't the Cowboys the best team in the league? You know what I mean? That's absolutely the cover, and we can still have that conversation. But listen, two out of three weeks now for this offense. They've laid absolute fucking duds two or three weeks, I guess the Broncos. I think they had a great game against the Falcons, which isn't saying much. And then they come out inlay dot against Kansas City. Again, like I said, it's without Amari Cooper, without C wham for half the game. Without you know, read Gregory without DeMarco floor. It's like the list goes on and on and on. Yeah. All right. So the Cowboys are very banged up. And I was I don't want to make excuses that they showed us showed up better than they did. I don't think it's too much of an indictment moving forward. If we lose, if we lose to the Raiders, if we lose to the Raiders, I'm in full panic mode, full panic mode. But as of right now, not quite yet.

Dave Clarke:

Let me ask you some because I want to go back to what you said about McCarthy, because it's strange to me that you say that because to me, the Dallas Cowboys identity as an organization, and this is not me giving you shit. It's just my observation over the last few years, the Dallas Cowboys identity is to get almost to the precipice of being elite and fallen short. And I feel like, you know, I've seen the mid NFC Championship games, like do exactly that. And I did last time you and I were on a show together. I did say they had kind of like Atlanta, falcons, 15 and one vibes, where like there was kind of holes that you could see as you're like, on the offensive side of the ball. I think defensively I think that like they're still very good on the offensive side. Yeah. And like, you know, Stefon Diggs is brother, which is still hilarious to me that that became an actual thing. But because I really made funny the first time he said it, like two off seasons ago, where I was like, Yeah, Tom Brady's cousin, it's like, let's just invite the whole family. Turns out he's really good. But, but, but McCarthy? Like, isn't he exactly the kind of coach you would want, when you have a kind of a franchise where the jersey is very heavy, I feel like there's some weird sort of atmospheric pressure in Dallas, where even though they haven't been the top of the pile, they have this mentality, the Jerry Jones sort of mentality of like, we should be top of the pile, like, let's be the best team, let's be America's team, bla bla, bla, bla bla. And I wonder if that pressure as an organization sort of bleeds down into the players and the jersey becomes very heavy to wear, because there's, you know, there's maybe a lot of pressure in the atmosphere in Dallas. And it's not necessarily that the head coach's fault, creating the Ironman, but I think McCarthy might be the exact type of guy to lead your team through the playoffs, because I've seen him do it First off, and like, you know, as much as like, he goes, him and Aaron Rodgers had their big falling out and like, you're not going to credit Mike McCarthy with Aaron Rodgers success, it's just like, never gonna happen. It's not a Tom Brady Bill Belichick type situation, but he's a pretty calm guy. And like, I think he can handle pressure pretty well, especially if you're winning in a franchise which and this is like, I'm not even sure this is gonna come out of my throat. But like an a franchise, as large as the green and historic is the Green Bay Packers. He knows how to handle that pressure. And it's in Dallas, it's a little bit more manufactured that pressure. You know, it's like if you go to an organization, and there's no offense, but if you go to an organization like Green Bay, that pressure is authentic, like the fans want you to win because they have a history of winning like the organization wants to win because they have a proven history of winning over the last 20 years. That's not necessarily the case in Dallas, I wonder if he can be the one to manage you through the playoffs? Because at this point, you're a playoff team. Right? So you just need to start thinking about what your playoffs I mean, unless you capitulate worse than any fucking team in the history of the NFL, which like I would not put it past them. I wouldn't put it past them again because of this manufactured pressure that Dallas has. But I wonder is Mike McCarthy gotta get the guy to kind of go Alright, everybody, take a fucking breath. Like it's gonna be fine, because you always see them crash out in the first round because that pressure gets to them you know, or like losing games in the playoffs, they shouldn't lose because the pressure gets to them. And I wonder if McCarthy as much as you don't like him? Maybe as you know, I'm not sure what your specific grievances with him are like maybe Maybe it's his maybe it's what is it? What are your specific grievances with him as a coach his play calling? Is it a general sort of like, oh, you know, remember when he should have gone for it, but they punted in Green Bay that the problem with what's the problem?

Rob Kelly:

So it's two things. So first is time clock management. He might be one of the three coaches bad at that. Yeah, I was just gonna say that. That seems like a league pandemic at this point. The other thing is inconsistency with those 4000. That's one thing that does drive me crazy is like certain times where you're like, bro, go for it, go for Go for it. He pumps it. And it's just, I don't know,

Dave Clarke:

it could be worse. He could be the bears and you go for it all the fucking time. And you have like the worst conversion second worst conversion rate on

Rob Kelly:

fourth, it will get to the worst fourth and one call I've ever seen in my entire life. You know,

Dave Clarke:

that was it wasn't even the cause fault. But yeah, sorry. Go ahead. No. So you know what?

Rob Kelly:

Hearing your hearing your well thought good. I actually you can't do on your with that. Because the moment you remember that package, the relax year, our E L A X, relax, we are going to be there at the end of the year. So yeah, I mean, hearing that, and hearing the winning mentality that the players say that he brings to that team, listen. If he just seems like such a before on the sidelines, sometimes it seems like he doesn't know what's going on. But hearing your explanation, man, you know, being someone that faced them year in and year out, when he he was playing Chicago, you always had that feeling that McCarthy was going to be able to take that team to that level.

Dave Clarke:

I know a thing or two about the guy. And I think that I always, you know, I think that there's like there's something to be said for like a rival fan base. Like what are you scared of? You know, like, if you were a Dolphins fan, and for the last 25 years, you know exactly what Tom Brady can do to you. Like, you know exactly what it looks like, you know exactly when it starts to happen, you know, you know, you just know you do and it's the that's the way it is. So if you're watching another fan base, like go through it, you can be like, listen, here's the deal. This is what this looks like. Now a lot of that stuff is aaron rodgers stuff and I see you know, he's builds it depresses me to say he's still doing that shit to the bears. He's an elite quarterback. You know, he's one of the best ever do it, I guess. But the mic for that Mike McCarthy thing. That in there. Yeah. It's hard for me to talk like this, but like, I'll do it. I mean, it is true. But the Mike McCarthy thing. It's like she man was like, If a man does not have the sauce, then he's lost, but the same man can be lost in the sauce. That's kind of what you know. That's kind of what it is. For me with Mike McCarthy. It's like, I think if he just it sometimes he goes a little bit too far. Sometimes he goes a little bit over the top he makes kind of strangely he gets a little obsessed with the Mike McCarthy narrative. But I do think that Mike McCarthy narrative is there for a reason. I do think you know, I think I would shudder to think what the atmosphere in Dallas Cowboys Stadium would be in a first round playoff game if you guys went down by two scores. I really would because the Dallas Cowboys fan base is a traumatized fan

Rob Kelly:

base so many positive brawls man

Dave Clarke:

we keep on time it just is what it is. And the thing is like I know Ross football across all sports, there is a there's an atmosphere of a winning team and a team that knows that they can do the shit and that helps the team and but there's nothing worse that can undercut a team's performance than the home fans get nervous because they don't boo or yell they get fucking quiet that's so if you're the other team you've come into the largest fuckin stadium ever built like it might as well be on the moon. You're a new quiet that crowd that's huge for you. So like I wonder if Mike McCarthy is the guy to sort of be like this might happen like I've been in I've been in these situations like I've done this at Lambeau Field. I've seen it happen like, don't work, very playing your gatekeeper your game, especially when you have a defensive team which, as we're all still shocked to say the Dallas Cowboys now are in a ball Hawk team, they've got a team that can go get the ball you're all momentum when you're a team that dev relies on takeaways. You're all fucked in momentum. So you're going to suffer losses like this you know if you can't get a goat if you if your offense isn't doing they keep fucking your momentum up and sending you back out on the field or like you know exactly announce or whatever it is. There's no way for you to win a game so yes, you can be stifled. Yes, it's incredibly fun, but yes, you can be stifled. But if you have a good head coach like he'll get an offense sorted out, you know, like they'll go back to the drawing board like he is like Dak Prescott, don't fucking rookie, you know, he can he

Rob Kelly:

in free? Yeah, I

Dave Clarke:

still think they're a playoff team. And like we said at the start, like nobody's good. So it's like they're still right in the race to like, just emerge as the best team.

Rob Kelly:

And that's where the positives come from is exactly what you're saying. It's the defense did show up in this game, like a Parsons was an absolute animal in this game. It's

Dave Clarke:

always good. That's consistent defensive

Rob Kelly:

performance. Yeah. And they did force turnovers. And you're exactly right. When we first force those turnovers, I capitalized. Absolutely. Just gave them momentum right back out of capital every single time. It is your right. So as soon as that started happening, I knew this game was over. A couple positives have come away because cowboys have three losses so far this season. Two of them are or to Bowl Champion, the chiefs Super Bowl runner up, they combined, I think it was 13 points between them. Yeah. So so like, when you look at it, that when you're

Dave Clarke:

removing the context of the chiefs not being that team anymore, they might be now look, never might, they might be back. But you know,

Rob Kelly:

there are first place so we can't hate on too much back in the first place. So like, as much as we're going to. The shifts go into that real quick, is I

Dave Clarke:

wasn't buying the shuffle when they were when they beat the Raiders. Right? Everybody was like, whoa, whoa, are they bagging are like mad? That's.

Rob Kelly:

So that's a good question, though. And they only put up 19 For the cowboys and a game where the cowboys were begging them, begging them to pull up 30 Or

Dave Clarke:

not to win the damn thing. No. And he was

Rob Kelly:

doing that switch, right? Where was last year this cowboys chiefs game. If this was the chiefs from last year, it's 28. To 731.

Dave Clarke:

That's the count was from three weeks ago. You know, I'm not so sure. The shirt I mean, so it's like if you know if you can apply that from the text both ways. Like, I think, to be achieved seemed like that you had an off week, but like, that's how you beat the Chiefs is you take the ball from them. Like you have to keep the balls out of their fall out of their hands. And like, and yeah, they might not be doing that thing anymore. But like if they're if they don't have the ball in their hands, they can't hurt you. Same thing where it's like, you're probably not going to be Tom Brady. But if you are going to beat them, you need to keep his ass off the fucking field. That's like that's the only way to do it. Same thing, the game plan was there the sauce was there, you know, but like you guys just got lost in the sauce.

Rob Kelly:

I love that reference up. So you know we'll move on to the Cowboys. So I'm just sad talking about that. We got another game coming up Thursday, Thanksgiving week. This week. This is what we do. We come out on Thanksgiving. We we serve

Dave Clarke:

perfect time never coming up a loss. You know, it's like fuck it. Let's get right back on the horse. You don't have to wait an extra. You know, it's just like, we want to play again. We want to redeem ourselves perfect. I'm

Rob Kelly:

never sure we I do see Dak having a huge game on Thursday.

Dave Clarke:

I do. Yeah, they shoot fucking better. It's bounce back.

Rob Kelly:

So what do you want? I mean, we can talk about Listen, the Titans Go down to the excusable loss. I've seen it why I know they're beat up man. I know. But listen, this was in Tennessee. There's a reason they dropped fucking eight eight spots in the power rankings because you can not lose to the Houston Texans at home. Okay, do it. Alright. And wasn't a Derrick Henry comes back. Yes, they do have a shot to be different team goals. And they've never released a P today so McNichols and dimes. Deontay. That's Yvonne de Dr. DE Foreman are just not scaring anyone. Ryan Tannehill is your quarterback and you have to beat up AJ Brown and Julio Jones. I might not come back for the rest of the season. So to me I think the Titans are I think this week against the Patriots. We're going to see if the Titans are fraudulent

Dave Clarke:

I don't think that they could have been in the position they were in when Derrick Henry rent went down if they didn't have a lot of other good players under the Derrick Henry I think the bounce back they had from his injury he sort of to be expected because it's like Oh Let's rally like you can get into for like a couple of weeks but then at the end of the day like their offense is built around that guy and it you know it's like when David Montgomery went down for the bears it's like you can just find another five foot one guy to like this game he's a good running back but it's like you know you can find another guy to go do that and you can like accomplish your game plan which is I guess to lose but the derrick Henry's irreplaceable so it's just gonna show and I think that combined with the fact that like there's we're little used to seeing oh and 16 seasons now and I but we have to remember how incredibly rare they are because there is like a certain level of professional pride in these football teams. And like there's a couple of good players on the Texans like I know you just listed off like the saddest fucking roster in in in history but like you know Brandon cooks is good he always he's been haven't been weeks he's on my fantasy team. He's put put the end of the day like

Rob Kelly:

it's pretty much anybody. Type Tyrod Taylor's Alright, he's not bad again.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, he's not but like the at the end of the day like anybody can have a fucking an off week. The Titans were fucked anyway. I think they're fucked anyway. I really do. I like yeah, they had a couple of weeks ago momentum but I think they're already fired. It's not the end of the world. It's not like the most shocking thing in the world that I've ever seen. It's like yeah, they lost their best player.

Rob Kelly:

And so first small rant about a holding penalty. I've been taking this for weeks back for such a ticky tack judgment call by the refs. It is such a game changing penalty, and it drives me absolutely crazy, man. It's a neat holdings to be five yards Max, and the fact that it's the clay right out on the edge

Dave Clarke:

of the corner on the end of the play. Why does it happen again? Go back

Rob Kelly:

to the brain, bro. It's wild to me. How monumental and motivation are not motivation, momentum changing a holding penalty really changes the course of the gaps while holding BattleTech it's great. Yeah,

Dave Clarke:

there's also I mean, I agree with you on that I also I don't have the answer for this, but I feel the same way about past interference. And I know they're trying to figure that shit out. Like I really can see them trying but fucking pass interference calls can really make or break you and like nobody really knows what Pastor fruits is anymore. Because I swear to god there was all of last season the whole turn around and look for the ball thing wasn't a thing anymore. And now it's it is and it's just like, I think you got to just be consistent with this shit. Like, for example, like if this might be a good segue into the bears when we lost because of a fucking stupid pastor foods played by a defender on our team, like it was so obvious. It was so unnecessary. It was the most like they should play it as a highlight of like, this is what Pastor ferrets is like he he pulled out his jersey and he put his arm around the front of the guy's torso and pulled him back and the worst part was the safety had dropped in and was about to play the ball he didn't need to do shit like the safety had the ball all day long. He ended up dropping it but like doesn't matter he was going to play he was the only one in that field that was going to play that ball. So the pass interference just boggle my mind. It should be I think a like a an egregious or nothing penalty and I know that sucks and I know that sucks for like put it in the year like big wide receiver plays and like I the quarterbacks in, the safeties are already at a disadvantage. Like it's just fucking harder to do that than it is to play wide receiver. Like it's just you're reacting this to the fastest, most athletic people on the planet like bacon cuts. And it's cuts you have no idea like big open field. The fact that a lot of these quarterbacks can stay on these guys, it's so impressive gotta it's gotta be egregious or nothing. You got to let them hand fight. You've got to let them jump. It's just it's too much it the refs need to just just back off a

Rob Kelly:

little bit. A good way to fix it is to do it like college man. There's some spots out 15 yard penalty. You know what I mean? If

Dave Clarke:

you could leave a tactically foul, then you know what I mean? Like that's, I think probably their thinking like you could tactically like

Rob Kelly:

tackle the guy. Oh, yeah, like fuck it, we

Dave Clarke:

can like we'd rather let's rather eat 15 yards right now than 45. You know what I mean? It's like, That guy's definitely attached that fucking pass interference, you know. And I think the reason it can be a spot found in college is because like, there just isn't as much Guile in the game and the speed isn't as much so they're just not going to figure out how to do that. And it's also more of a gentleman's cave. And I feel like the stakes are a little lower.

Rob Kelly:

You know what transition right into those bears, man? I can feel it. I can feel it on your tongue. The bears have two weeks in a row. We're just absolute heartbreaker. heartbreakers? And in both cases, Matt, if they even have an average head coach, I think they wouldn't both those games. So you know what, go ahead, have the floor. I completely understand that this may have been here before. So I guess

Dave Clarke:

there's two, there's two types of bad coach. There's two types of ways that bad coaching manifests itself in the game is very obviously bad play call in which we suffered through for the first, let's say five or six weeks of the Chicago Bears season. And it sounds like you suffered through with the Dallas Cowboys also. And then there's the more sinister type of how bad coaching affects a football team, which is all of a sudden you're like one of the more penalized teams in the NFL. And the penalties are ah shit. Like that was a bullshit holding call. Like those happen too. But it's like too many men on the field again, too many men on the fucking field. Are you fucking serious? Matt? You can't see it. Fuck. So, all good. It's just like your schemes. That means your schemes are shitty. And like, I don't know, maybe it's the defensive coordinator. The whole fucking coaching staff needs to go this point. It's just you can see the players and given up on them. They just got to go.

Rob Kelly:

But you know how you know that you're just done with this because this supposed to be 11 men on the field,

Dave Clarke:

but 12 No, I mean, you can't count to 12 You can't go 12 That's just 12 Guys you met on the fuck off? That's what I mean. It's like you can't like if you can count to it. If you can count the amount of guys are supposed to be out there. You should be able to tell them one more fucking dude out there. You know what I mean? It's like wait a second. I just counted today. Well, two weeks in a row, right? Yeah, and it's just like, bro like, that is fucking and like I feel like the Pittsburgh Steelers have been like, coached that way for years and like gotten away with it because they have like some of the most athletic phenom and on their offense like that I've ever seen. Like, I feel like Mike Tom has been getting away with this kind of coaching for years, like just absolute sloppy fucking coaching for years. The problem is, it's been the Chicago Bears, the team and the fan base versus Matt and Eddie's ego for the last for this whole season. And like part of last season, whatever happened, for him to motivate himself to like, try to pull his career around, he's decided that like, he fucking knows what he's doing. And like, there's some humility missing in these losses, that he's just going down with this ship. He's Ahab and the white whale at this point. And it's like, cuz it's because he doesn't look like a guy who has an ego. I think, like, he's like, you look at them, and you're like, he's, she seems like a humble nice, humble man. Like he probably lost his hair pretty early. You know? Like, he had to get to figure out a way to get girls to text them back. You know, it didn't just happen for like, see it. But then you're like, you are you're a sinister little fuck, aren't you? You really just love yourself. And this is the matt naggy show. And it's like, oh, okay, does he is he gonna be played like Chris Connor in our Bibles are so nice to him. They're like, I guess she gave away a play call it which is completely normal and fine. It's like what do you mean? It's normal and fine. That's fucking weird, dude, we don't know what calls the place. Like and it's like different every week and then like Billy's just calling the plays this week, like oh, it's looking a little bit better. It's like yeah, but like then I feel like Matt naggy is getting involved again once it starts to go well and it's it goes shitty again anything the most egregious thing that he's done is he's in it seems intentionally entail seems intent to not get the best out of our rookie QB that's very clearly talented. He seems intent not to and he's putting him in fucking harm's way quite a bit. I understand that are building this. I know. I mean, like, I understand that our O line is suspect and that we knew that going into the season. But Jesus fucking Christ man like you got to protect that kid. He's gonna fight like I just said it for the rest of the season at this point, like the season's over. Like just fire Matt naggy the season's over lose out get a decent draft pick with three wins. We're not recovered this season is now recovering. I want Justin fields to be healthy starting next season with a fucking new coaching staff that's inevitable. That's this is the thing that's annoying me about like how we're operating in Chicago is the fan base is calling for his head, though. What did you watch the game actually the Bears game against that we lost to the radio. You watch the did you notice that moment? Where he sent the punt team out? And on fourth and one and the whole stadium started booing him. And then he like, I swear pretended like his headset wasn't working. And he was like, nevermind, we're going for it. And then he ran that play that you're talking about? The worst? The worst part about it was the play was going fine. It was Yeah, direct snap. You never really want to see that. That's like you press the wrong button. But this play Oh, fuck, right leg. So

Rob Kelly:

the only thing with direct snap that always gets me it's like you have taken all mystery out of the equation. On fourth and one. The running back is not throwing a fucking pass. I'm sorry. You know what they're doing? So Right. It's just It's the

Dave Clarke:

worst part is there was a whole lean to the left open and he didn't run that way. And again, it's like that doesn't like he's a fucking NFL running back and I've seen him be good. And that like he's David Montgomery is the perfect example. When he first came into the team, he was really good. Like, he had a spark. He was really doing some shit. And he's gotten worse. When, uh, when Khalil Mack came into the bears, he was the best defensive player in the NFL. Like, easily the best of it was him and Aaron Donald, I think he was a little bit better. Now he's like, fifth. And like, this is the kind of shit that like he's still good in the game, but he's also late. Yeah, I know. But it's like, it's it. But he's also unfortunately, a player where it's like, well, they're gonna put you back on, you know what I mean? So like, his numbers are gonna get fucked up from time to time like whatever.

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But

Dave Clarke:

yeah, we're beat up. That's not an excuse. I'm sorry. Your job is already on the fucking line. Like your job is already on the line and like really good coaches figure that shit out. You know, like it's it should be about what the scheme looks like it should be but there's no identity in that team at this point. Like nobody knows who the leaders are. You got to blow the whole thing up. And like I know for a fact you know what, I know I did it in Madden, which is definitely exactly like real life. I just fucking traded everyone for draft picks. That's what you got to do right now it's too late. There's still some residual value in it Kim Hicks. I know this Chicago fans are like not gonna want to hear this shit. But there's still some residual value in Akeem Hicks there's still surges residual value in Khalil Mack Alan Robertson and Justin fields do not connect but he still has like a very like he has a lot of value to just find you know I know we franchise tagged him maybe we I don't I don't even know what the fuck we're supposed to do it that but like nor turn him into a fucking completely different receiver or like try and get something for him somehow make him sign next sign something. But there's not this team is currently constituted coach staff included are not the team that we're going to use to to win a Super Bowl which is obviously should be everybody's goal Robert Quinn you would keep these young like a couple of other key young guys but honestly like it's over this hill Ryan pace man that he era is over and you got to just move on and have somebody come in and try and stamp identity on this team.

Rob Kelly:

Tell me about how it felt to to lose two. Well I don't even remember his name Tyreke Hunter Tyreke or holy holy rightly,

Dave Clarke:

gently. Yeah, it didn't feel great Bob. Not great Bob. I'm sorry. It was inevitable though. I knew it like I knew it. You could see the worst part was you know we did two weeks in a row and I know this is kind of a podcast move to do this but like I feel like a little bit of I play man left comment I do think I've seen teams do it. We gave the ball back to the other team both both weeks in a row with like almost two minutes on the clock and like they had a couple of timeouts and then we like blue huge defensive assignments and the worst part is and like I know we've talked about this I was literally sitting there next to Leah watching this game going but before the snap the ball on like one of their big catches like in their last inner game winning drive I was like Wait Where the fuck it safeties and then like I was like

Rob Kelly:

the the one deep play wherever they are learning through saying they dry getting back

Dave Clarke:

I was like all you have to do is just like deep cover right now and your letters one safety back and you got man coverage on this one guy it makes no sense like was

Rob Kelly:

what 13 is 1316 So it was like

Dave Clarke:

it but I was like you drop you rush one linebacker you get fast linebacker on the fucking first down mark you pull your studio pull one safety up to the first down mark and then you watch the deep threat that's like football one on one and it was like they rushed everybody and they did almost get to the kid but like and they were We were sacking them a lot of the things so I guess I see where they're coming from but like in the context game you got to defend the deep past and that's not hindsight. I said it before they snapped fucking ball. I was like wait, we're the fucking safeties. Why are they all up there? And then bang we get a deep they just I don't know, I get too much about I shouldn't know as much about fucking defensive scheming as the guy who gets paid to scheme defense for the fucking Chicago Bears. So what the shit? What's dude like how many people fail forward to be read to running an organization? And she's a sweet old lady Miss Hollis when we cut to her on the sidelines, but she's a billion years old and I'm not sure she knows what the fuck is going on anymore? So like, I don't know, I don't know. It's a fucking mess. Chicago is fun. And obviously, the franchise and I hate to say this, but the franchise is an old one. It's a historic one. It's got a great fan base. And it doesn't deserve that fan base right now because that fan base shows up every week to Soldier Field packs it out. And they want they give the bears great fucking viewing numbers every week. And everybody's ride or die with that team, myself included but every fucking year it's just it's egregious. It's it's negligence at this point. So I know how

Rob Kelly:

you know Matt naggy is ancient. And just as not with today's NFL, the first corps that game field points nothing. Okay, yeah, use it. I started quarterback can't get him out. I can't utilize that athleticism. He can be Doulton comes in the game. Yeah. And they look like a completely different team. You could go broke but it's like, how can you bring bring an Andy Dalton and look that much better? Because

Dave Clarke:

now I can start as a quarterback because now you have naggy thinks that we've been playing with our backup QB for the last few weeks he thinks he got his fucking quarterback it's fucking he scheming the offseason for any dog he drove every single fucking play for any dog even though he knew and just like the rest of the world new fields was inevitable he was inevitable in that in that role and I pity sitting around going look how much I was right and he gives us the best chance to win games look how much better he lays in there and honestly it was a parliament hate fucking even admit this but there was a part I was obviously heartbroken by the loss but there's a part of me that was going like good but that's another fucking nail in your coffin because I know that they suck right I've been there you know I like I know that they're not good. So like that when would have just delayed the inevitable so it's like just fucking and you know what it is? It's now at this point I'd hate to see him lose on Thanksgiving Day and I'd really fucking hate to see him lose the lions but you lose the Alliance.

Rob Kelly:

You got to go I will go down there Mike damn

Dave Clarke:

so I will fuck it drag him out by his faulty fucking head motherfucking Captain Picard look advisor wearing motherfucker I hate that guy. He needs to go. You got go is bad man. is

Rob Kelly:

bad for that. If the good those good bears, right, you deserve it. You do. It's been a rough season for you and I've been here. I don't have feels to have a coach that I'll never forget. Rooting for the Cowboys to lose. Just so Jason Garrett would do count right then they're not making the playoffs that year. And I was beside myself. I don't know what the fuck to do bit. No, I feel Then set want to talk about lives. We've held off long enough. Fucking New England Patriots ban this team. So in this year's NFL, so the reason they're impressing me the most is every single week. You see these teams who are supposed to be the good teams like like we'd like we talked about the Cowboys, no titles, the Packers, the Buccaneers, the chiefs, all these teams losing games, they have no business losing job who's not doing that. The New England Patriots fan, they're the most consistent football team in the league right now. And I don't think there's any doubt about that. We get a week out the defense you know what you're getting from you get injured on off the edge. You get in JC Jackson, you're getting a Duggar from the same spot. You know what you're getting from Mack Jones 75 to 80% completion percentage. Yeah, baby hairs. You've got these dudes got an offensive line that shows up every week. You have a wide receiver core that shows up every week and you also have one of the best coaches in the leap. I'm telling you as much as we shit on them for the entire first quarter of two four. Right? And now the old son there seven

Dave Clarke:

four. Yeah, and well I think it's also like you know, some reporter asked Billy Bella check how come your teams always do better and like the second half of the season or like you always like really improved teams like Believe it or not we always try to play well it's a it's such a fucking non answer but like, at the end of the day, like the way he coaches and the way he operates I mean, yeah, like no surprise Bill Bell check no fucking you know, non answer. We don't know we always try to play well actually. I'm like, fuck,

Rob Kelly:

I love that answer.

Dave Clarke:

brunettes, but like the things that like, that's a guy who like, he's the way he coaches is he fixes problems. Like he identifies and fixes problems. And like, if you have a bunch of really big, glaring problems, I think it helps him especially with the guys that you know, the personnel. I think he can go like, well, this is fucking obvious, right? Everybody, it's really easy to show what the problems are if like, You're tuned for and everybody sort of has to buy into what you're saying a little bit more because your Bill Belichick and be like, you'd much rather be a two and four patriots that turned into a seven for Patriots, because you've plugged all your holes, then like a like an eight and one team that you know has issues but like how are you supposed to tell an eight one team that they have issues, you know what I mean? So it's, uh, you know, I think it's going really well for them. And like, it was like, we talked about the start of this at the start of the show. It's like it's such a weird year that like maybe the most on talent talented on paper team doesn't win this year. And if anybody knows anybody looking Super Bowl, it's not fucking count.

Rob Kelly:

That's, I saw I mean, that said, if there's anything that travels and cold weather travels in the playoffs traveled to January coaching that it has what if,

Dave Clarke:

yeah, they also have that they also have the, their inclement weather wins on lock. So we're coming into the time of the season where it's very hard to play the New England Patriots. Like, there's a lot of teams that play in snow and play in shitty conditions, but like Bill Belichick for whatever reason, has I remember when the bears were really good in like the late 2000s Like the oh, 607 Bears played, the Patriots got fucking spanked. And I was like, we just were sliding all over the field. Like, we couldn't stay on our feet. Like it was snowing, like motherfucker. And I was like, I don't understand. Like, we also play in the fucking snow. Like, it's like, we're also a shit like, the middle of the country, like the most frozen and horrible place in the fucking world we play right there. But like, for some reason, belly checks, teams can like play better in the snow. I don't know if he's running like Coach Carter drills with them, like making them plan their fucking bare feet in the snow or whatever. They're just happy to have cleats. But he leaves something. He does something that gets get some, like, get some going. I don't know. I wonder if maybe he was given like a lot of rope to that fucking horrible coaching staff he has at the start of the season. And then he was like, all right.

Rob Kelly:

Really? Really? Let's do it my way. Now, I don't disagree with that at all. Because you're it's a different team. Right? It since that Cowboys game. That was

Dave Clarke:

great. Like what I thought they were gonna look like at their best, you know, last year, right? Yeah. You know, the idea of like, if they get it together, and if like Bill Belichick makes this team, like you could take all that. So like, what I was just talking about the bears. It's like, yeah, there's a lot of talented players, there's no identity, at least you could see what they're going for this whole time last season. And like this, you know, even when they were losing, you could see what they were going for. And like he will bring you an identity and like that's, you know, you can't there's no metric for that. You can't really like weigh that up. Because if you play with you know, Bruce Lee said, I'm not afraid of the guy who prays practice 1000 kicks once I'm afraid of the guy who practices one kick 1000 times, and the Patriots are sort of that team right now. They're the team that they can do five things really, really well. They of course sort of always been that way. You know, like they you remember those? Correct like, Craig told me exactly when this was, but remember when for some reason the Patriots could just Tom Brady could just sling it the slot when you're in the red zone and he would say Every single time if for some reason, nobody could figure out how to stop it, like you would just get the snap, like fucking rip it to like Julian Edelman and he would score every single time like in the red zone two point convergence. Like they get the same thing every time. And nobody could stop it for whatever reason until he just sort of stopped doing it. Or actually, I think like they got picked a couple of times, like maybe they figured out the play, but it took forever forever to figure it out. And it was like, it should be like I remember watching it and being like, why it's so simple. I don't understand just like figure it out. Just like stop it. They do it every single time. Like everyone knows they're gonna do it, but it works. So yeah, that's five yards. That five yards. Oh, remember that out? Yeah. And when they're at their worst, like, I feel like one of their lowest points last year was cam try to run that same play and Edelman fuckin coughing it up right to right to the opposing defense and like the guy runs it into the end zone. And it's like, I guess that plays over. But the you know, I mean, it's just it's like the stuff but the opposite of the stuff I was talking about. Now you there's little insidious ways that good and bad coaching sort of creeps into your team and like, yeah, maybe on paper the Patriots are the most talented team in the NFL, but like he spent his whole fucking career getting guys that he drafted in the seventh round to look like first rounders. But he also had Tom Brady. So the question was, can you do it without Tom Brady? It's like, me probably. Like, why pick why why wouldn't you be able to? I guess is the question. I was hoping he was a fraud. You know, just because like I like to see I like to see my friends in pain, like me. But but he's not. He's a really good coach. So the universe

Rob Kelly:

we're after this week, right? The Patriots could be the number one seed in the AFC absolutely a weird season. But if the Pats end up with the one seed in the AFC, look the fuck out. I don't care what their home record is. I don't care. The Patriots in January in New England is not a team that you want to play with. Coming from the biggest Patriot tater there is over the last 10 years. I've been to Patriot Games in Foxborough in January. And that is impossible. played her way. Sure. The only time I've seen it happen is teams. What is one Brady's just off his game or things like that. But listen, I don't mean to say Max Jones is better than Tom Brady because he's not even fucking close. But they're not gonna let Max Jones throw three interceptions at a playoff game. They're not gonna let Max Jones give a pick six of the Titans to win the game. It's just not going to happen with this team. This is a ground truth team. And honestly those are some of the most dangerous patriots hitters because you're not going to get mistakes often and if JC Jackie like

Dave Clarke:

the first patriots team that we saw

Rob Kelly:

was that like that's fuckin assumes that if you look though I want to go through the AFC right okay so right now we have so fifth plates dangles patriots about the Bengals fourth places did better than I thought they're gonna be though a great a great but fourth place is the Chiefs right now they can go either way you never know what team you're getting the Ravens you don't know what Walmart you're getting.

Dave Clarke:

You know that's that's gotten weird right? Like what the fuck is up with him? Like he's like very very talented. Like very very talented. Like provably good but is he a weirdo? Like what's going on there? Like I know he's like sick this week or whatever but like he does get sick COVID like three times right yeah there's always weird going on he needs to go see a gastroenterologist do some shit or like an ear nose and throat guy or one of those like specific doctors to fix that shit that like an auto

Rob Kelly:

Lockout and auto wear and ologists

Dave Clarke:

Yes, something ologists because technologists are the ologists senator and Sinologists.

Rob Kelly:

But then you have number one C team we already talked extensively about Tennessee Titans. Yeah, there you go those top teams in a game against the Patriots. I see the Patriots being favored against every single one of those teams. And I am To me that is a terrifying fucking thing for the NFL has gone from beginning of the season. Me being able to ship all over the Patriots and it was amazing like fuck the Patriots fuck the Patriot Yeah, now all sudden it's like oh my god. I will say a lot of what happened? Yeah like

Dave Clarke:

the diehard Patriots fans that I know like my closest friends that are big Patriots fans are like pretty calm and like I really thought that they were gonna be like Nancy's about it like oh my god the fucking you know the London is burning because it that's the same fan base that likes the Celtics. This is the same people or for whatever reason,

Rob Kelly:

big despair whatever reason

Dave Clarke:

like the fight you know, I mean, there we've dissected the reason so that you know why this is the case. We've talked about this ad nauseum. But the book itself excludes the game and like the fight there's people that are exploring torches take a left from Frankenstein house.

Rob Kelly:

You don't have to for games

Dave Clarke:

like the fucking TD Banknorth garden on fire. Sorry, you can show in my age they're calling it the TD Banknorth garden. But the, but the, I just think like yeah, I just everyone was pretty calm about it. They're like Bill Belichick, they'll figure it out to get in there you know like they're building an offensive identity like they're doing this they're doing that. I thought it was like a worse maybe I'm old and whenever there was a there's a QB crisis your team's fucked in my head but maybe in New England it's different and like maybe there wasn't a crisis there it seemed like belcheck was just sort of like like we would all sit around like assholes speculating wolf cam runs the offense and does this and then at the start of the season, he was like I was always gonna start Mac Johnson's fine.

Rob Kelly:

Yeah, you say we all there was to me to me there was no it wasn't I was there I know. I know you weren't but I know all the lingo was that there was never if you watch these two dudes play football yes cam has been awesome the past two weeks. But you watch these two play football. It is egregious for anyone to say that Cam Newton is better quarterback than Mack Jones fucking egregious. Yeah, he's been that way since Carolina, right? Yes, he is. But pumpkin lot making big boy 40 year old or 40 year old 40 yard back shoulder throws into the zone. I'm sorry. It's just not fucking happening. You can move in with this patriots team is not separate and for. I can guarantee you that he is not completing 85% of his passes. You know, you can't have a ball control. pounded down your throat offense with a dude who completes 50% of his passes. You can't do it. I also feel back like back Jo's that had the soffits a perfect guy to run the show.

Dave Clarke:

So he's like Mike Jones understands the play the playbook a lot better. I think they'd be like, I think cam was like Yeah, yeah, I get the just like, I just think he's that kind of player i think he could rely on a lot of on a lot of Yeah, yeah, I mean, look, we use it very fucking athletic and very talented quarterback. Like you can't take that from like, he was very, very good when you and I think maybe he still thinks he's that guy, which I think you should have that attitude. If you're a fucking stud quarterback, like you should think you're that guy. But I just think Mack Jones was like Jesus Christ. I better learn all these plays, because he's a rookie. And he's like Coumadin like get scared out of his mind. And he's just like, we're gonna Bill Belichick who was as old as Bill Belichick is now he was the same age when Mack Jones was like five. So like, you know, he's just always been an old guy to him. So he's looking I'm like Jesus, okay, dad. Like I'll learn all the plays, you know? And it's just like and he's like scared and just he could he's more he's malleable is moldable like with Academy got off cams flaws like I don't care how good you are as a coach when you're Bill Bill Belichick cam cams gonna be Cam Newton. At any quarterback. His age is played in the NFL for this long as Try as he might to work out his idiosyncrasies and be a different kind of quarterback and fit the system. I'm sure you did. I'm sure he tried his ass off. I'm sure he gave it everything you got. He seems like he's a hard worker. But he's still that stuff's in the DNA now there's no need

Rob Kelly:

to do when the ship breaks down. Can't take it off. Yes, a good percentage. And build a ship. Yeah, Matt Jones hangs in there. Makes the 15 yard throw and takes the fucking hit. Yeah, because that's what the system calls for. Yeah, actually just a great quarterback for Bilbo. Jack man. He really Yeah, and you see it you see it now that we've gotten 10 What are we 11 weeks that are we 11 Jesus Christ and another time we sense of the season and it's very evident. You know what I mean? As much as a pitcher was

Dave Clarke:

also very lucky that Bilbo shag identified him and then drafted him because like he's very lucky fell

Rob Kelly:

there. Well, that's yeah, if we go back and do a redraft Matt Jones does not make it to pick 15

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, but he doesn't. He also then doesn't perform as well as he's performed this season. If he's on any other team, like, Look at the look at what fucking naggy did to poor Mitch Trubisky you know, and now like you know, he's sitting as a backup wherever the fuck he isn't. I think he's played if he was looked alright, you know, he's right down in Buffalo. It's like, I don't know what happens. Like I don't know if he's good or bad or like what he got, you know, but like maybe comes in and the most important thing for a rookie quarterback is like, figure skating and your coach is like, making you into a better quarterback. Like that's you and your coach, you're gonna have a very special tight relationship where he makes you into what you're going to be for the rest of your career. And like, Bill Belichick did build the greatest quarterback in the history of the game. You know, it's like as much as like Tom Brady, Tom Brady and who's whose responsibility was it like whatever it's like he was a scared fucking you know, 199th draft pick at one point and Bill Belichick deserves some credit at least for turning them into the goat. I think so. Yeah, you're lucky you Mack Jones. Congratulations stuff

Rob Kelly:

about patriots. You know what I was guys talking

Dave Clarke:

himself. I have a question for you honestly. Like do they retain the fear factor though? Like are they still like say let me give you a hypothetical. The Cowboys emerged from the NFC they are in a crazy repeat of game one of the regular season. They played the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in the NFC Championship and like they fucking they have a shootout again. Like, you know, you just gave me I just happen to have the ball last and Dak makes it happen and you win the game and it's like 44 to 41. And you go on to the Super Bowl after like a big bouncing win like that. Are you shitting yourself if you see the New England Patriots in the Super Bowl, because it's the new patriots, or are you like, oh my god, it could have been so much worse. It could have been the chiefs. It could have been the bills. I'm so glad that it's passed, like, well, how

Rob Kelly:

you think about it? What a loaded question.

Dave Clarke:

I want you to take that, Craig, if you don't mind, take that exact snippet. Send it to Mike and also send him Bobby's answer because I know what he's about to say. And I know it's gonna make mike so angry specifically. So no, I don't

Rob Kelly:

because a we've already beaten the old version of them know if reversion it's the same version. It was just the beginning of this version, save version, first game of this version? No, they don't scare me as much because Patrick mahomes and Patrick mahomes and a Super Bowl. Patrick mahomes. Silverlake at fifth grade bath. Right? The alligators eaten Patrick mahomes. Because Patrick mahomes is greater than backups. No doubt about it. But Bill Belichick a big game will always make me ship iPads. And it's the same thing was Bill Belichick Mike McCarthy, alligators eaten Bill Bell jack. So you know what I mean? It's given take wear do it's a very good visual reference. Right? So I do think that yes, I as much as Mac Jones doesn't scare me in a Super Bowl game because he's a rookie quarterback. Regardless how awesome he's playing. He's still a rookie in the Super Bowl. Bilbo Chuck will always make me chip my pants, no matter when we're playing. They'll where we're playing them what game it is. He can help coach anyone else in the league, where you'll leave that game being like we laid them. How is this possible? The and that Bill Belichick for you. And that's why I don't think there's a team in the league. When the Patriots lineup opposite against them in the playoffs. They're not going to be like, Oh, God, right. How are the how is he going to be the system? And I don't think there's a team like that. isn't going to be thinking that. However, I do think our defense like they did in New England would force a few turnovers guys, patriots, so I still would take the Patriots over the Cheeto where you could still take the Patriots be crazy. I think the chiefs are the only team that was scary more than the Patriots in the Super Bowl. I really do.

Dave Clarke:

It's gonna be harsher on the Pats. I really did. I thought you're gonna be like, I don't fucking my fucking scared of them.

Rob Kelly:

Now they want me over man to get because it wasn't this week is huge for them. If they if Tennessee comes into the world, and the Patriots can beat them by like 10 plus points. That team is for real man. If we need to be scared of them. I don't know

Dave Clarke:

because like our Tennessee for really lost their best player like I don't know if it really says as much as you're saying it says to me, I think

Rob Kelly:

they're like that does after recently six in a row. And that beating the team that was always the number one seed. You know what I mean? Like, I don't care who's not on the field who is out on the field. Number one seed is eight and three, you know, eight and three is eight and three. So yeah. Alright. First, folks,

Dave Clarke:

you heard it here first, Bobby says that Bill Belichick is the chipotle of the NFL. He always makes U shaped shreddy with our rankings fresh real quick. Oh yeah, I forgot about the power.

Rob Kelly:

So let's do this. So again, it's a power against because it kind of is a good segue from the Patriots real quick. Throw in the backs on it we can chargers Justin Herbertson a maniac he looked great. On Monday night can love nuclear bro. Yeah, and Aqua 40 points for me and like they enabled me to beat your data fantasy football when I didn't have a quarterback and it was pretty impressive. That is impressive. I'd knocked him out knock me above him in the playoff race. So I'm okay with that. Look. You better beat earlier this week. Don't don't no, no. homecooking please, I don't need you to be badgered anymore.

Dave Clarke:

After that Steelers game there's no no there's no

Rob Kelly:

more. More than this.

Dave Clarke:

I have no insider trading going on here. We sleep in separate bedrooms now. Pennsylvania mats called Illinois

Rob Kelly:

eight for the for the most numerous times in the world. It's all big Ben's fault. Yeah, anyways,

Dave Clarke:

he sucks. He sucks it footballing consent.

Rob Kelly:

Other air. There we go. Thank you. That was innuendo. I was looking for number nine Titans. Where's Ross? I've seen in a long time. It won't be in the second worst loss I've seen in a long time. Was a 42 to 15 against the Colts at home. Yeah, but you can't do that. It was

Dave Clarke:

42 to 50 calls about them. I got something about them. team next year. I really think they might be going the right direction eight Ravens.

Rob Kelly:

Listen, I don't know what the fuck this team is I really weird they're so perplexing to me they lose to the dolphins. But then they beat the bears with their backup football quarterback

Dave Clarke:

started to get that was that wasn't their fault that the bears did that they their destiny in their hands.

Rob Kelly:

No, no The fuck is up but then Sarge put it in a there's their top 10 Team No doubt. I don't know how far they can go. Yeah, it's weird having the biggest dropper the week besides the bills, my cowboys, embarrassing man, only put it nine points against one of the worst defenses in the league. I don't care who's out. I don't care if I love you to death. You need to do better than that. An average game from the Cowboys it would beat the Chiefs there.

Dave Clarke:

That's what your offense is than your thought. Yeah. A lot of it is I don't know if it is.

Rob Kelly:

Alright six only because they beat cowboys. I couldn't put the Cowboys above as much as I want it to be of chiefs. Again. I don't know what they are. This is a weird NFL year. I don't know what the hell they are. They could be the Chiefs we know in hate once it comes January we'll see are they do understandably yeah all year man all year I think they're at one or two to start the power rankings and they dropped all the way out. Now there

Dave Clarke:

they do have they do have the ability to understandably jump up and down the Power Rankings very easily because well up the Power Rankings very easily. Because if any day now they just become the Chiefs again, right? You know, it's all the same guys. It's like, literally nothing has changed. It's just the Super Bowl hangover happens to literally everybody. Like there's no I don't think there's ever been a team that lost the Super Bowl. It was like very very good the following year. ever again. Thanks. I can't think of one not could do it. They needed to they needed to fuckin recover a year, every time

Rob Kelly:

away. But yeah, bucks five. They'd love to giants. Giants suck. Fired. Garrett.

Dave Clarke:

Clapper giants are not good, though. Like, I mean, we're near if you want but like,

Rob Kelly:

honestly, the Bucks moved up as a case of everyone else. Losing there wasn't anyone in the top five last week except for the Cardinals that won.

Dave Clarke:

So I mean, you're still get the job done. You know, you hate it. You can't fault them for that.

Rob Kelly:

For we talked about it extensively. I just think they're one of the best executing themes in the NFL right now. New England Patriots. I can't believe they're at number four. I can't believe them saying that considering where they were to start the season. But they are honestly the fourth best team in the NFL right now. You know, and I really do feel like that because and this year's NFL consistency is key. And there's one team all year when they play teams that they should beat they beat this Patriot three packers they lost a close game against Minnesota out of Minnesota says bad as everyone thinks I'm really not sure about them DK you know more about the Packers is three too high for them. Really? No man I can't get

Dave Clarke:

out you should have dropped out of the Power Rankings just because just for the performance of the state of Wisconsin this week, just like the fucking state. He just like set the country back 20 Fuckin years so like just drop right out of the book and power rankings we find

Rob Kelly:

as twice as twice in the past five weeks, because this sends us back 30

Dave Clarke:

years. Yeah, man. It's been now I mean, they're good. They're good team. You know Aaron Rodgers, obviously a good player. I hate to see him get a second Super Bowl, especially as he like. I just like perpetuates the myth that Joe Rogan isn't fucking mentally ill. But like, whatever, you know, I find it sure they're good. They're a good football team. It is what it is. I wish that BDI homeless man would like not win another Super Bowl, but like they do look like they could do it. So I hope it doesn't happen. I'm cheering for the Cowboys more and more as the week's go on

Rob Kelly:

love it to the best week to ever be in a by the Los Angeles Rams are solid though they really are solid. Everywhere around the wants. They're the only team besides the only team that I just said this. So they're one of the only teams and top 10 That did not lose this past week. And like you said they're solid all around. There's not a weakness on this team, you know, and wide receiver core.

Dave Clarke:

However, I will say this. Who do they play last week before their bye week? I watched that game. They lost to the title. I'm sorry, I lost the times. Right? Yeah. And I'll tell you what I witnessed which I've seen a little bit of Matt Stafford on on the Rams. And I've like, you know, seen the stacks and stuff. But I used to watch him a lot more than I do now for obvious reasons, because he played for the Detroit Lions. And he's still got all the same problems. And like he he just there's just a new division that needed a little while to figure it out. But like I saw shitty bears teams getting him off his rhythm and how to lose games and like they it seems like maybe they've got his number in that division now or in the you know, just it's sort of in like his opponents in general. Now that they've seen him in that offense. Matt Stafford I'd be very surprised if Matt Stafford retired to the Super Bowl ring. I really would

Rob Kelly:

you get in Stafford face. You fuck him up?

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, he just I'm not saying he's mentally weak. I just think that the current when he's, for him to be good, he needs to he's a rhythm guy, you know, like he needs. He's a volume shooter, you know, for lack of a better term, like he needs to just he needs to be hitting. He can he'll go. He'll complete 35 passes and win you a game but if he's going to do that, he needs to throw it like 60 times.

Rob Kelly:

And you know, an average of the NFL. Yeah, exactly. It's

Dave Clarke:

like If you can sort of, he's actually like Eddie house, you know? It's uh, you gotta get him. You got to get him off his rhythm and it seems like teams are doing that for weird weirdest part is the team best equipped to play against Matt Stafford is actually the Rams defense and like he has to play, you know, siesta scrimmage against them every week. So I wonder if that's helping him but like he looked like the same guy to me. Last time I saw them lose. So we'll see. We'll see if teams can put that together. I don't know he I think he's a phony

Rob Kelly:

number one by default. Again. The the Cardinals name there were that there were

Dave Clarke:

two spoke to those still. Right? Well, yeah,

Rob Kelly:

there was like I get told you there 90 Cocaine waiting to happen. They're either going to be the funnest, most amazing team that you watch. And you will have so much fun watching them. Or you're going to be crashing down to earth, or you're going to hate your life the entire fucking time. There's

Dave Clarke:

a lot, the playoffs are going to tell us a lot. They really aren't. Whatever happens in weird NFL seasons, like the playoffs are when you know when the buck stops when like the chips are down for whatever other fucking generic sports terminology you want to use, like you're gonna see who's actually good and who isn't. And I don't know if we're gonna figure that out in the regular season. I have to say,

Rob Kelly:

this has been the hardest lesson we won't be doing it two years. So like, compared to last year, of all the years. This has been the weirdest our rankings year every week. Like, I just look at these teams. And I'm like, honestly, I could just throw all 10 of these teams at a dartboard and rank them in any way and people are

Dave Clarke:

like, that's why the arguments have died down. Like I feel like we've we always

Rob Kelly:

used to argue about arguing, or whatever.

Dave Clarke:

I'm like, I don't know either. So tell me the last three or four weeks like you said at the beginning like the last like three or four weeks. I've looked at the power I can just be like Sure.

Rob Kelly:

Yeah. The fucking sense anymore. I don't envy you doing them yet. If I was drunk at the entire wedding one season and you can't even blame COVID anymore. The NFL is just COVID it's a COVID Hangover year. Right? So that's good for football. Before we get to the Patriots on budget piece by Pat