Jan. 21, 2026

Inside A Bears Fan’s Post-Game Therapy, From Caleb’s Brilliance To What Went Wrong

Heartbreak has a shape, and tonight it looked like a perfect throw to Cole Kmet that deserved a different ending. We sit with the loss to the Rams and refuse to look away from the fine print: Caleb Williams was electric, the drops were brutal, and the fourth-quarter edges weren’t sharp enough. Pride is real, so is frustration, and both can push a team forward if you translate emotion into habits.

We dig into the sequence that swung the game, why route effort matters when the ball is late or underthrown, and how veterans like Kmet steady a rookie-heavy supporting cast. Caleb’s leadership arc shows up on the field and behind the mic—taking blame, spreading credit, and setting a tone that demands more from everyone, including DJ Moore. We talk development without excuses: cleaner stems, stronger hands, smarter situational football, and the boring details that separate “almost” from “advance.” The Soldier Field crowd and the weather did their part. Now the offense needs to match that energy snap to snap.

Zooming out, we tackle the Mike Tomlin step-down and what it means for Steelers culture, plus a blunt look at the AFC’s shifting hierarchy. The Patriots look ahead of schedule, and that should make a lot of teams uncomfortable. We sort quarterback narratives that got loud this weekend—who elevated, who folded, and why context matters when you hang 30 and still walk off a loser. Finally, we circle back to Chicago’s runway: keep Kmet, rebuild Loveland’s confidence, demand relentless effort from every route, and give Caleb the infrastructure to turn highlight throws into winning scripts.

If you felt the sting and still see the future, you’re in the right place. Hit follow, share this with the diehard in your life, and drop your take: what single change would have flipped this game—and what’s the first move you make this offseason?

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00:06 - Setting The Scene: Post-Game Grief

01:12 - Pride, Pain, And Perspective

02:23 - Caleb Williams’ Highs And The Drops

05:10 - Veterans, Rookies, And The Kmet Moment

07:00 - Crowd, Weather, And Missed Details

08:20 - DJ Moore’s Route And Accountability

10:56 - Leadership, Interviews, And Growth

11:49 - Mike Tomlin Steps Down: What’s Next

14:10 - Steelers’ Future And Coaching Options

16:20 - Quarterback Narratives And Playoff Performances

18:45 - Patriots Resurgence And AFC Standards

21:00 - Dream Matchups And QB Legacies

23:10 - Looking Ahead And Show Outro

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It's missing the point.

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It's uh the last fair post-game reaction show.

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The second that I've done with my uh darling wife, Leah, but the last because alas, it's the last because they lost to the Rams.

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Uh, not for want of trying, and I'm proud of them, is gonna be the overall theme, I think, of this show.

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But they lost, and it stinks.

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It definitely stinks.

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Leah's here to do a pod with me, which is very nice of her.

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Um, I don't she she doesn't make me come in and talk about my team losing.

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Her team losing.

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When the last thing I want to do is talk about my team losing.

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So, you know what?

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I respect you for this.

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Uh yeah, I I I see it as more, you know, I talk for therapy.

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I am sad.

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I'm so I I think uh where's my wine?

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Is that your wine?

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Oh I think I owe you an apology because I think that for years I had this very naive view of what was happening to the Steelers, where I would say, like, at least you're making it to the playoffs.

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And my team, and you know, I've seen my team go to a Super Bowl.

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It's not like I don't have this context, but in re- when you go recency bias, you start to become a different version of your own perspective.

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And I would be like, Well, at least you're making the fucking playoffs, you know, like at least you're a winning team.

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Yeah, but it hurts whenever you go out.

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It did it's the very particular sting of losing that game is affecting me in a deeper way than I thought it would, which is understandable, but at least it wasn't to the Packers.

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Thank God we beat the Packers.

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Yeah, you got knocked out by a team that I have listened to you talk about and respect all season.

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All season.

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Yeah.

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You've talked about the Rams and Matt Stafford and like the potential MVP quality of their quarterback.

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I did pick Drake May at the end for the MVP, which I think uh sort of wrecked my season.

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No, of course.

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Like, I don't want to be a jinx.

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I and I and I don't want to be overly super super, but I don't love that we lost the game the way that we did because I it was the moment I started to believe they could win, was when he like it took all season, all these crazy moments.

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And when I finally got confident, it was the moment he threw that pass to Cole Kametta.

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I was like, all right, it's undeniable now.

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And I still think that's true.

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But I hate the fact that the moment I got confident was the was the game that they ended up losing and ending their season.

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Yeah, I'm so proud of them.

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Again, like I'm so proud of them, but I finally got confident and they lost.

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That being said, like I think I got confident for good reason.

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Like, I think that Caleb Williams is an absolute fucking finom.

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Like, I think he's unbelievable.

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Yeah.

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And I think Ben Johnson's our guy, and I think Caleb Williams is our guy.

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Like, that's gonna come as news to no one.

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I think you guys are on the right path.

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I think that you guys are taking positive steps in the right direction across the board.

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I obviously today wasn't Caleb's best game.

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You don't think so?

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He threw like, again, he threw like the best pass of the year.

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Yeah, but he was overthrowing guys for a while.

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There was a lot of drops.

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There was an enormous amount of drops.

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A ton of drops.

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I I I don't think you could if you fought a full-blown war of attrition right now with me.

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I don't think you could make me believe that the losing that game was even one percent Caleb Williams' fault.

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I I think the reason we're in that game was him.

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Fine.

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I think that he I know he overthrew guys a couple of times, a handful of times.

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It does happen.

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But I I do acknowledge there were so many drops, and like there were drops, a lot of drops from Colson Loveland, which I was not anticipating.

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He's been very solid this year overall, and for him to have the number of drops he did tonight, he looked for the first time, I think, like a rookie.

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Yeah, like a rookie.

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He did.

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I was I was in the playoffs.

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The word rookie was going through my head as he was like dropping those balls, and I was like, You'll be all right, kid.

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Yeah, but then I was like, What did I say to you?

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Like, but this is before obviously the most phenomenal fucking play of the entire season happens by Caleb Williams.

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It's it's I said to the fellows on the uh the regular crew on the pod, I said, I just really wanted that pass to Cole Komet to matter.

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And Mike very nicely was like, It does matter.

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That was everyone saw that, everybody saw that, you know, and it was like, okay, cool.

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In like the Bears were on TV a lot this year, and I think that they made a good account of themselves.

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But what did I say to you?

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I said, Cole Komet needs to start getting these snaps because he's a more reliable hand right now.

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And like I think Colson Loveland's a great player, but what ended up happening, Cole Komet caught the fucking best pass of the season.

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He's your veteran.

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You have to be able to turn to your veteran players in those moments.

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Like it's a big reason why we gotta keep him.

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Yeah, we gotta keep he did.

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Loveland had the yips tonight.

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He did.

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It happens.

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He's I hope he learns from it.

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I'm sure he will.

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He's a really solid player.

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It just sucked because that's Caleb's safety blanket.

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He was he made Caleb a better quarterback over the last six weeks.

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Eight weeks.

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Yeah.

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And he was missing a safety blanket.

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You know, like if he catches half the balls he dropped, the game looks completely different.

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You know what I mean?

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Like, I I it's just I'm not blaming, I'm not at all blaming the loss on Colston Loveland.

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I think he had a great season.

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He's a rookie, he's got a big future ahead of him.

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He's a he's gonna be one of Caleb Williams' primary targets over the next few years.

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I love how we came to the party in general, as the Chicago Bears.

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I really do.

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The way we talk shit.

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Yeah, the way we showed up.

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The Billbourne, the the LA Rams team bus passed as they were coming into the city.

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It was like, we dare you to lick the goalpost.

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Yeah.

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I love that.

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And honestly, the weather did affect him.

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Yes, the weather did make him worse.

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Bare weather did make him worse.

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The crowd was great.

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I was really proud of the Soldier Field crowd.

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Yeah, they showed up.

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Knowing that your team is lethal in the fourth quarter is a cool as fuck feeling because so did the Rams.

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Yeah.

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The Rams were worried getting into the fourth quarter because of who we are.

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Yes.

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And obviously that picks a crazy big play.

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And, you know, credit to the Rams defense for making the play on the ball.

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I am very upset with DJ Moore giving up on the route.

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Okay.

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I mean, because it then at the very least he can break up the play.

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Like we saw try.

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We, you know, my cute little nephew and my brother were over to watch the game, and we Steven kept commenting.

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My brother kept commenting on that one play where I think it was it Kemet or Loveland.

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We're pretty fresh here, folks.

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But it was somebody got the their pick broken.

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Oh no, no, sorry, of course.

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It was a defensive play.

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I think it was Bayard, got his pick broken up by a great wide receiver play.

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The wide receiver decided to become a defensive back and like got his hand in there.

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And we were kind of yelling offensive pass interference before he saw the replay.

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And then we all sort of agreed it was like, oh, he played defensive back really well right there, actually.

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He switched his mindset.

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And I think that DJ Moore not giving up on the route, he might just be in the area still, even if the ball's underthrown, which I'm not sure that it was, but even if the ball's underthrown, if he curls harder and he cuts and runs through the whole route, he's there to at least break up the pass if it's going to the wrong guy.

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Yeah.

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And I think that like that, like he gave up on the route.

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He did.

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And I and I think that's like been a thing that he's done all year.

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And I love DJ.

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You know I love DJ because I think he's got I think he's got incredible off-ball elusiveness.

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Like I think he finds soft zones incredibly well.

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I think he's fast, he's athletic.

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He needs to wake the fuck up.

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He's been on a losing team his whole fucking career.

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That's his problem.

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But he's got a bit of that attitude.

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Like, he'll give up on the game, the team, the like play.

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He's ready to lose a little bit sometimes.

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Yeah.

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I want the guy who's always trying to win, who always believes he can win.

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That like I want Kayla Williams mentality across the whole offense, yeah.

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Yes.

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And I think, in large part, that'll come at like this is his second year leading the team.

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Yeah.

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And I've been saying this throughout the season.

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You see from his interviews, from how he carries himself, he is becoming the leader of the absolutely true.

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You said that very early on in the season.

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And I remember that that call out specifically because of how he was.

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I think he had a 10 out of 10 interview year.

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Yeah.

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You know, like I think I think that what he was his Mike skills this year.

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I do think I would love to coach him out of some of his verbal ticks.

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He says, you know, a lot.

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And I just think you can you hate a verbal tick.

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I mean, you you come on.

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Yes, I get him.

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Like, but I think that the way he steps up, takes we all have them, but you you have what some of them are worse than others.

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The way Caleb steps up, takes responsibility for the team.

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He sees himself.

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Yeah.

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Like we talk about coaches and managers for European football.

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Yeah.

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The guys who are the best guys, they when themselves succeeds, it's someone, it's because of someone else.

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When the team fails, it's because of them.

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Right.

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Mike Tomlin does that.

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Did that.

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Yes.

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Oh.

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Sorry to tell you, did that.

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Fired as fuck.

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No.

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Step down.

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Okay.

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Step down.

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Did not get fired.

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Let's talk about it.

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We haven't done it.

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We haven't we haven't done the Mike Tomlin autopsy.

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Let's talk about it.

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I think personally, my read of the situation is I think it was a mutual decision.

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I don't think the team really wanted him to come back.

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I don't think no, I don't agree.

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You think he got fired?

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No, I don't think he got fired.

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I was just kidding about that.

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I think that he quit because he's burnt out.

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Yeah, I think that's it, 19 seasons.

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19 seasons, no losing seasons.

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Yeah.

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And also, I think he was able to step down with dignity because he has that two years left on his contract.

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So he's kind of sitting pretty because if another team wants to hire him, they have to give away compensatory picks.

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Yeah.

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And I think that's a real kind of tip of the hat to the Steelers organization.

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Who have really treated, I mean, if you were an employee of a of a high-level company, because these are all these are all companies.

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They are.

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But if you're the employee of a high-level company and you had 19 years and you made that much money in that 19 years, you've got 50 million left on the company.

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I would really love to see him stay with the team in some capacity.

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I don't think that's gonna happen.

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He's gonna still get paid by the Steelers.

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And you think he's going the commentator out?

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Yeah, well, he's good in interviews.

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Like he's always had a few.

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I mean, I guess the prevailing is yeah, and he's been funny.

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I think that if it were me, I I mean, I you couldn't get me out of bed in the morning if I had that much money in the bank and I was making 25 million a year for the next two years still.

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Like, there's just no way, you know.

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Yeah.

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I mean, do they still have to pay him?

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Yes, I think so.

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Is it guaranteed money?

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I have no idea.

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I mean, he has two years left on his contract.

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But if he doesn't quits, it's like, is that a con?

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Like, may I bet they make a deal.

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Because he stepped down, not he got fired.

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I bet you're right.

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Or, you know, another a slick move would be like, trade me to the Browns.

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And then, but then he goes, like, I'm not going to work.

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Like, I'm done for two years.

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Like, get the Steelers the picks.

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This isn't gonna happen.

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But this would be a this would be a slide devil move where he's like, trade me to the Browns, because the Browns would be delighted to have me, right?

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And they would feel like they're getting one up on the Steelers, and then I won't go to work.

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Like, I'll be like, No, I'm retired.

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I just I told you I'm retired, then unretire.

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And then you get the you probably get the Steelers like honest to God, I bet you get the Steelers like a s like a like three third round picks for Mike Tomlin or like a second round pick, like a really good pick.

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And then we need a good pick, we need a quarterback, and then what you do, I mean you you can think about this in two separate viewpoints, right?

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And I think the more interesting one is probably what Tomlin is gonna do.

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And we'll come on to talk about that, but because you're a Steelers fan, I think we should talk what are the Steelers gonna do because I don't know who is the coach of the Steelers next year that's an upgrade on Mike Tomlin.

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And this has just always been my opinion on it.

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So it's like, are you it seems like a little bit of a weird time to make the move?

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Well, are you finally gonna tank?

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Like, are you finally gonna have a couple losing seasons and look at the Patriots?

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Are we gonna let like Arthur Smith step up and take over the team and just tank for a couple of years?

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Go hire go hire.

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I mean, I know this is the most unsteelers-y thing ever, but go hire like Jason Garrett.

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Go hire the worst coach you can find.

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You know?

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Go hire like someone you just know is gonna fail.

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And then you take about what's his name that we hired from was it Miami?

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When they were like really racist against him.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Was it my Flores?

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Yeah, Brian Flores.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You uh Tomlin like gave him a gig.

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Yeah, we now first.

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Well now, see here, dude.

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That's actually a fucking shout.

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That's a shout as the next Steelers head coach.

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That's a shout.

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He's the defensive coordinator for the Vikings right now, I think.

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Is that right?

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Uh he's I don't remember where he is right now, but he we hired him for we hired him for a season because he got like shit canned and really raw deal.

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Yeah.

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And then it was just like Tomlin had so much respect for him.

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I gave him a gig.

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Yeah.

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After all that shit, because he was bridgier, though.

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He was like got hired as a defensive coordinator the year following in Minnesota since 2023.

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And but he was like, fucking black coaches get treated different, and that's what he was saying, and they do, which is true.

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Black quarterbacks get treated different too, still, yeah.

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So, I mean, you know what I mean?

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Like, it's it's a real thing.

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Like I I was arguing against this in the group chat, the missing the point group chat, but like Ray made the point of like Josh Allen's gonna get a pass for like failing, and I was like, I don't know, I don't know if it's his fault.

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Like the defense, he hung 30 on them, like and yeah, he had turnovers, but he hung fucking 30 on them, and then the defense also let up 33 points.

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Like, you know what I mean?

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Like, they let you know the defense had to win the game for them, and they didn't.

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And if you hang 30, I mean I think you're fine, but it is true that Strat, I mean, Stroud had one of the worst quarterback playoff performances I think I've ever seen this weekend.

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Like, he was absolutely atrocious.

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What was it?

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Four turnovers in the first atrocious was it first quarter or first half?

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First half, yeah.

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It was the first four picks was by the time halftime hit was absolutely abominable.

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They should have benched him.

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Disgusting.

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Don't ever try to fucking sun Caleb Williams, please.

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Like, you remember that game?

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Hey, you're gonna be a great player.

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Yeah, Caleb was like, okay.

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Yeah, and it's like, by the way, when it's all said and done, it's not even gonna be in the same fucking galaxy.

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Like, I just want you to understand that viewing public.

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What I saw from this year's playoffs is that it's not when it's there's gonna be a clip of CJ Stroud trying to lecture Caleb Williams on his like potential and Caleb being like, get the fuck away from me.

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I'm so mad I just lost a game.

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And that's gonna get funnier as the years go on.

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I guarantee you that is a if you if you could buy meme stock, if you if there was a is there a poly market for memes?

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I have no idea.

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I would smash the over on Caleb Williams getting sun by fucking CJ Stroud is the funniest thing that's ever happened in football because they're gonna end up being Peyton Manning and one of the probably five guys that were starting QBs that neither of us can name the year that Peyton Manning was a rookie.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like it's CJ Stroud was a trocious.

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He was so bad.

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And the fact that they kind of almost came back was shocking.

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It was that first halftime.

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They then sort of just didn't.

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They just figured it out.

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Like, yeah, I know that.

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As you would expect them, yeah.

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Obviously, you're a Steelers fan, you you you know, you don't love the Pats, but like I You don't say I don't love them either.

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I mean, I grew up in in Boston as a fucking Bears fan, you know.

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I I I saw them win everything.

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I just think there's a little bit of a marriage between the Bears and the Patriots destiny right now, and it's something we've all talked about with each other on the show, and I've talked about it with Matt.

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And there is a sort, you know, they played each other in '85.

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It's 40 years ago.

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We all kind of maybe thought, I'll see you in there, you know.

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It felt very possible.

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And then maybe we all like get go.

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Like maybe we all try to find tickets, you know, and like go.

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And it and it's and Bears Pats was always a thing in in my mind in the Super Bowl.

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Of course it always was.

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But I really think that what the Patriots have right now is an ahead of schedule situation in the AFC that's gonna make a lot of AFC teams, and if they go on to win the Super Bowl, a lot of NFC teams seem hold on, seem like they're crumb bum cowards.

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Like they're not about it because the Patriots dominated them for 20 years, took five years to fucking pick their shit up when the best quarterback ever left them.

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The best quarterback ever.

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Do you deny?

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Do you deny?

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I don't.

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Who's the best quarterback ever?

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I don't deny, but I will say.

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Who's the best quarterback ever?

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I will say the Patriots have a cakewalk now to the Super Bowl with a Bonixless Denver Broncos in their pack.

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That's my whole point.

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The rest of the league should be fucking ashamed of themselves.

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The rest of the league got absolutely daddied by the fucking New England Patriots.

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The Steelers didn't.

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The Steelers beat them.

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The Steelers lost to them more than they didn't in the era of.

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Oh, I meant this year.

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No, I'm talking about 20 years.

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I'm talking about 20 years of dominance.

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I'm talking about six titles.

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This is denial of their greatness is small team mentality.

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I want to my team to acknowledge the standard, and that team is the standard.

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I'll give you I'm not denying what they've done.

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I just don't like them.

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Okay, but that's not what I'm talking about.

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What I'm talking about is they are now back.

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Yes, they're back.

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And everyone, especially the AFC teams, should be ashamed of themselves.

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And I know you know what I'm talking about.

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You and it's an extension of the whole Buffalo Bills point, you know?

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It was 2001 to 2018.

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Tom Brady is the daddy of the NFL in the AFC.

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Then it's 2018 to 2020.

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Tom Brady is the daddy of the NFL in the NFC.

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And then when he leaves, Mahomes, granted, some great performances.

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He never got fucking dominated.

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Brady never got dominated like we just saw Mahomes get dominated.

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Brady never had a season.

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Like the season we just saw having.

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That those are black marks on his record.

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And also, I told everybody we shouldn't have been having this conversation until he started to approach the Super Bowl numbers.

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I don't even really think he's out of Montana.

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So because he isn't.

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So what are we talking about here?

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What's the standard?

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Before the Patriots, the standard were the Steelers.

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I get that.

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They won the most.

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And now they're tied.

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I get that too.

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And you beat them this season.

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Agreed.

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But that was a regular season.

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The Patriots, to me, are the most likable team left in the playoffs.

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Drake May is like.

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Why?

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Because I'm I'm making the entire point.

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They are showing the rest of the league.

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They're showing in no uncertain terms the rest of the league that you can't dick around for five years.

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Lamar Jackson dicked around.

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John Harbaugh fired.

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Josh Allen dicked around up until fucking yesterday.

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I find the Seahawks very likable though.

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Sam Darnold is not winning a Super Bowl.

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Sam Darnold is not going to win a Super Bowl in your lifetime.

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You're not going to witness Sam Darn.

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If Sam Darnold faces Drake May in the Super Bowl, Sam Darnold will get dog walked by Drake May.

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It's I know they don't play each other, but you know what I'm saying.

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We all have accepted that it's it's QB versus QB.

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The Patriots would make it a QB versus QB game, and Drake May would dog walk Sam Darnold.

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That's what would happen.

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He's a fucking, he's a he's an absolute gamer.

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I hope this is the matchup we see.

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What do you think would be the better matchup?

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I want the Rams because I want the Patriots.

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I want Drake May to dog walk Stafford and say I was the MVP.

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I was the MVP the whole time.

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I fucked you up in the fucking big game.

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MVP versus MVP candidate is tumultuous.

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It's so tumultuous and so exquisite.

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