NFL Week 6 Power Rankings: Drake Maye’s Breakout, Baker Mayfield MVP Buzz, and Flacco to the Bengals

David Clarke: Well, hello folks, it's missing the point, it's the power rankings, it's me, DK Sizzle, it's him, the real BK, Bob Kelly, the guy who makes the top 10, I wanna really say that right off the bat, he is the guy that makes it, he's the guy responsible for it, so don't ask me 2 00:00:14.400 --> 00:00:22.790 David Clarke: Out of me, out of him. We also have a wonderful special guest today. It is Mike Marc Angelo, a resident of the Missing the Point Larger 3 00:00:22.790 --> 00:00:31.440 David Clarke: universe, but not always on the power rankings, because he's got a lot of responsibility talking about the Patriots every week with Ray on the MTP Boston show. 4 00:00:31.440 --> 00:00:41.050 David Clarke: Mike, we are going to talk a little bit about the Patriots this week. I haven't actually had a chance to get your, to get your take on, in this context, in a more broad overview. 5 00:00:41.050 --> 00:00:55.030 David Clarke: Spoiler alert, I'm really enjoying the Patriots this year. I'm really enjoying the Drake May Patriots, Drake May in general. Bobby, if it wasn't the Pats, you'd be the highest person on Drake May on this podcast if he wasn't the Patriots. 6 00:00:55.530 --> 00:01:06.479 David Clarke: Quarterback, just for the record. I know you probably don't know that, but I'm here to tell you that he would be your favorite current, like, young, up-and-coming QB if he wasn't a Patriot, just so you know. And we're gonna, we're gonna get into that a little bit later. 7 00:01:06.480 --> 00:01:18.090 David Clarke: But first, I guess we should talk about some of the news around the league, as we're wont to do here on this podcast. The only real thing that's happened is that Joe Flacco got traded to the Bengals. Is that news? 8 00:01:18.260 --> 00:01:19.660 David Clarke: Do we care? 9 00:01:20.000 --> 00:01:26.560 David Clarke: Does that make the Bengals good? Was Burrow coming back? What's happening? Does it move the needle for you, Mike? 10 00:01:27.080 --> 00:01:30.480 Mike Marcangelo: Well, and the fact that he's gonna start, like, he's starting this week, so they've already decided. 11 00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:31.790 David Clarke: They're probably gonna do pretty good. 12 00:01:32.110 --> 00:01:32.660 David Clarke: You know? 13 00:01:32.660 --> 00:01:45.990 Mike Marcangelo: Yeah, he just stands in the pocket and just chucks it. Now, the problem that he might find himself in is that Cincinnati's offensive line is actually worse than Cleveland's, so… and we've all seen that he can't throw on the run anymore, so that might be a problem. 14 00:01:46.130 --> 00:01:50.899 Mike Marcangelo: But, I mean, it's… I think his life's gonna be a little bit easier throwing to Jamar Chase and Tee Higgins. 15 00:01:50.900 --> 00:01:51.359 David Clarke: I suppose. 16 00:01:51.360 --> 00:01:52.859 Mike Marcangelo: The trash bags he was throwing to. 17 00:01:52.860 --> 00:01:54.170 David Clarke: Jesus Christ. 18 00:01:54.170 --> 00:01:54.910 Mike Marcangelo: Right. 19 00:01:54.910 --> 00:01:57.579 David Clarke: That offensive line is, like, tough for an old man. 20 00:01:57.740 --> 00:01:58.640 David Clarke: To have in front of. 21 00:01:59.420 --> 00:02:00.209 Mike Marcangelo: It's gonna be bad. 22 00:02:00.210 --> 00:02:00.940 David Clarke: Ugh. 23 00:02:01.260 --> 00:02:03.059 David Clarke: Are we giving up on the Bengals? 24 00:02:03.290 --> 00:02:10.320 David Clarke: Is it… I made the point last week that they have the worst coach in the NFL, but that's just me. 25 00:02:10.320 --> 00:02:12.839 Robert Kelly: This is better than Jake Browning, at least. 26 00:02:13.230 --> 00:02:16.890 Robert Kelly: You know, at least now they actually have some sort of semblance. 27 00:02:16.890 --> 00:02:17.740 David Clarke: They've left the space. 28 00:02:17.740 --> 00:02:20.230 Robert Kelly: We're making a season here. Right, right, exactly. 29 00:02:20.230 --> 00:02:29.259 David Clarke: Yeah, yeah, yeah, fair enough. It's better than it was. But Burless Bengals is, like, it just becomes, like, impossible to even really talk about them. 30 00:02:29.260 --> 00:02:34.880 Robert Kelly: The funner move would have been Jameis, in my opinion. If they went out and got Jameis, I would have been all in on the goddamn ban. 31 00:02:34.880 --> 00:02:39.349 David Clarke: He's the new Jameis. Flacco is the new Jameis. He's the new, like, bring the guy in. 32 00:02:39.600 --> 00:02:49.749 David Clarke: when things are going terribly. And then make them go, like, 3% better. Like, that's essentially what you can hope for. 33 00:02:50.290 --> 00:02:58.370 Mike Marcangelo: I mean, if they could be 500 by the time Burrow comes back in late November, December, then I'd call it a win, and I don't think anyone's gonna run away with that division. 34 00:03:02.640 --> 00:03:03.759 David Clarke: What are they right now? 35 00:03:05.420 --> 00:03:06.070 Mike Marcangelo: Aren't they? 36 00:03:06.070 --> 00:03:07.160 Robert Kelly: 2 and 3. 37 00:03:08.170 --> 00:03:08.849 Mike Marcangelo: Is that true? 38 00:03:08.850 --> 00:03:11.120 David Clarke: 2 and 3? Why don't I have them on the… 39 00:03:11.320 --> 00:03:11.900 Mike Marcangelo: Yeah, 2 and 3. 40 00:03:11.900 --> 00:03:20.459 David Clarke: Oh, 2 and 3. I have him in the honorable mentions still. I would have thought I would have had him in the cross-offs. 2 and 3, Flacco comes in and you're saying what? He needs to win? 41 00:03:20.660 --> 00:03:23.160 David Clarke: 2 out of the next 4 games? 42 00:03:23.630 --> 00:03:28.119 Mike Marcangelo: Well, they said, what, Burrow's gonna be out until the end of November? 43 00:03:28.800 --> 00:03:30.060 Robert Kelly: Yeah, it was, like, 2-3 months. 44 00:03:30.060 --> 00:03:30.630 David Clarke: Oof. 45 00:03:31.030 --> 00:03:31.550 David Clarke: So he's got… 46 00:03:31.550 --> 00:03:32.000 Mike Marcangelo: So… 47 00:03:32.000 --> 00:03:33.500 David Clarke: 4 of the next 8? 48 00:03:34.180 --> 00:03:35.540 Mike Marcangelo: Yeah, I think he can do that. 49 00:03:36.600 --> 00:03:37.830 David Clarke: I don't know, man. 50 00:03:37.830 --> 00:03:40.880 Robert Kelly: He brought Clevel… he brought a shitty Cleveland team to the playoffs years ago. 51 00:03:40.880 --> 00:03:42.350 David Clarke: The team still had a good defense. 52 00:03:42.480 --> 00:03:43.340 David Clarke: That's true. 53 00:03:43.340 --> 00:03:43.930 Robert Kelly: That's true. 54 00:03:43.930 --> 00:03:50.429 David Clarke: Fucking atrocious. I… let's… fine. Fuck it, we're doing the thing where we look at their… their schedule. Goddammit, I can't believe you're talking about the Bengals. 55 00:03:50.430 --> 00:03:54.689 Mike Marcangelo: Packers, Steelers, Jets, Bears, Steelers, Patriots, Ravens. 56 00:03:54.690 --> 00:03:56.670 David Clarke: Well, they're gonna have a great week against the Bears. 57 00:03:56.670 --> 00:04:05.949 Mike Marcangelo: Ideally, Pearl comes back against the Ravens, on… is it… is that Thanksgiving, or is it the week… yeah, it's the weekend of Thanksgiving. So, realistically. 58 00:04:05.950 --> 00:04:10.390 David Clarke: Flaccronies He needs to beat the Steelers at least once, and. 59 00:04:10.390 --> 00:04:11.250 Mike Marcangelo: The Jets. 60 00:04:11.420 --> 00:04:18.100 David Clarke: the Jets he can do, but every other team he plays, like, that's not… that's not super winnable. Like, the Bears are the next best team. 61 00:04:18.399 --> 00:04:25.429 David Clarke: after the Jets that they need to beat. And the Bears could beat them. They need to beat the Packers, the Steelers, the Patriots… 62 00:04:25.690 --> 00:04:42.390 David Clarke: And then the Ravens, like, with Lamar back by that point, I mean, that's tough, bro. I don't know. I don't see it. I'm not very optimistic about it. I think it could happen with Flacco, where it would be, like, not… we wouldn't even be having the conversation if it was… if they had… if they had stuck. So I guess what we've discovered is that trade was a smart trade for them. I don't know… 63 00:04:42.410 --> 00:04:59.830 David Clarke: what the fucking Browns are doing, to be honest with you. I, like, I don't know what the situation is there, like, they've essentially now… I thought it was gonna be bring in Sanders so we can at least have a fun season and sell a bunch of jerseys, and make some money, and he can be the QB until he, like, fails. I thought that made sense to me, but… 64 00:04:59.870 --> 00:05:02.999 David Clarke: Now it's like, okay, we're gonna give it to Gabriel. 65 00:05:03.100 --> 00:05:14.120 David Clarke: after Flacco's Choice won, so all we've done is, like, manufactured a situation where, like, one of the biggest mouthpieces of the college game last year is, like, getting interviewed weekly. 66 00:05:14.120 --> 00:05:37.690 David Clarke: as our backup QB. We're the only… we've made a situation where we're the only team in the NFL where our backup QB gets a microphone put in his face weekly. Weekly. Every time we do anything at the quarterback position. So, like, what was smart about that? Not that the Browns have ever done anything smart, but, like, what was, like, what… I really thought the plan might have been, like, he'll be fun, he'll be exciting, he'll talk shit, he'll say stuff in the post-game pressers, we'll be… 67 00:05:37.690 --> 00:05:49.059 David Clarke: nationally televised team that's actually, like, people will be tuning in for it, it'll be worth it. But what, like, now it's just like, no, let's, like, manufacture locker room poison? Like, what was that? 68 00:05:49.060 --> 00:06:07.190 David Clarke: What's the idea here? Like, how is this helping Dylan Gabriel in any way, shape, or form? How is this helping the Cleveland Browns organization? Like, Flacco was the only responsible, smart thing that I could have seen them doing with, like, Sanders sort of sitting there, but now, you're gonna do that to Gabriel? I don't get it. Someone explain it to me. You guys are looking at me like you don't get it either. 69 00:06:08.190 --> 00:06:20.090 Mike Marcangelo: Yeah, I can't explain that to you, because, like, everything you said is right. They're trying to humble Shador, just because his last name is Sanders. And I don't see really any other reason. The fact of the matter is… 70 00:06:20.090 --> 00:06:21.659 David Clarke: To him, to be honest with you. 71 00:06:21.890 --> 00:06:29.340 Mike Marcangelo: he's… I mean… I would imagine he's more talented than Dylan Gabriel, but even if he isn't. 72 00:06:29.620 --> 00:06:32.790 Mike Marcangelo: If you got this kid in the fifth round. 73 00:06:33.170 --> 00:06:34.520 Mike Marcangelo: Play them and see what happens. 74 00:06:34.520 --> 00:06:35.150 David Clarke: That's what I thought. 75 00:06:35.150 --> 00:06:35.780 Mike Marcangelo: worth it. 76 00:06:35.780 --> 00:06:39.480 David Clarke: Yeah, and he… there was a couple moments in the preseason he didn't look terrible. 77 00:06:40.180 --> 00:06:40.990 David Clarke: Right? 78 00:06:41.290 --> 00:06:43.030 Robert Kelly: That first preseason game looked pretty good. 79 00:06:43.030 --> 00:06:44.480 David Clarke: And then he looked terrible. 80 00:06:44.480 --> 00:06:56.469 Robert Kelly: Yeah, well, they didn't really set him up for success in that last game, either. They had him playing with literally one of the worst offensive lines I've ever seen. I think they literally cut the entire offensive line that he was playing behind. 81 00:06:57.390 --> 00:07:17.080 Robert Kelly: But… I think it is a weird move for me for the Browns, because now, literally, they just have two rookie quarterbacks. So, they… they took some, like, their backup plan, and I guess, like, what they could have wrestled their laurels on, and just traded them away, and now they just have Sanders and Gabriel, so it's definitely… 82 00:07:17.080 --> 00:07:20.010 David Clarke: Don't you think, like, don't you think the smarter move would have been, like. 83 00:07:20.330 --> 00:07:38.789 David Clarke: like, cast yourself back all the way to, like, pre-draft, pre-free agency. Wouldn't it just have been smarter to be like, okay, we have Flacco, we're gonna draft Sanders, Sanders is QB1, and if it goes… if that punt, if that thought experiment goes terribly, which it very well might, we're aware of that, we have tried and true… 84 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:46.249 David Clarke: old Joey Flack as the backup. And then, if Flacco comes in and plays like he's played, you kind of go like, alright, well… 85 00:07:46.280 --> 00:08:03.379 David Clarke: I don't know, he's been a decent backup, you know, we tried, and then no one's calling you, like, the stupidest fucking people on Earth. Now, it's like, dude, you just took every misstep, like… Right. It was weird enough to have, like, a QB room of 9 guys, or whatever it was at the start of the season, but like… 86 00:08:03.380 --> 00:08:06.969 David Clarke: At this point, it's like, I don't… it doesn't seem like you want to succeed. 87 00:08:08.130 --> 00:08:11.690 Mike Marcangelo: Right, you take Kenny Pickett, you get Joe Flacco. 88 00:08:11.810 --> 00:08:24.629 Mike Marcangelo: Dylan Gabriel and Shadora Sanders, and now you traded those, the two veterans away, and… Have left… What everyone would assume would be the clear number one rookie, and just say, no, he's a… he's poisonous. 89 00:08:24.630 --> 00:08:36.100 Mike Marcangelo: We're gonna make him QB3 for the longest time, and now we're… I wouldn't be surprised if he's, I mean, do they have to have two quarterbacks dressed? Because that's the only reason that he'll be dressed to play on Sunday from now on. 90 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:38.280 David Clarke: They probably do. 91 00:08:38.710 --> 00:08:41.310 David Clarke: I don't know, can you still do a weird thing with, like, the kicker? 92 00:08:42.400 --> 00:08:43.210 Mike Marcangelo: Emergency QVS. 93 00:08:43.210 --> 00:08:43.870 David Clarke: Yeah. 94 00:08:44.700 --> 00:08:48.660 Robert Kelly: Yeah, I think you have to draw… I think you have to have two, though. I think you do. 95 00:08:48.960 --> 00:08:49.530 Mike Marcangelo: Yeah. 96 00:08:51.190 --> 00:08:51.850 David Clarke: Hmm. 97 00:08:51.850 --> 00:08:54.259 Mike Marcangelo: Cleveland loves ruining young, talent. 98 00:08:54.260 --> 00:08:55.390 David Clarke: I mean, yeah, I was gonna say. 99 00:08:55.390 --> 00:08:56.730 Mike Marcangelo: Barely made out of their lives. 100 00:08:56.730 --> 00:09:03.599 David Clarke: At least they're, like, honest enough to be the one team in the NFL, even though many teams this is true of, they're the one team in the NFL where they go. 101 00:09:04.460 --> 00:09:19.849 David Clarke: you know, we don't know how to assess quarterbacks. So, we're gonna bring in 4, and we're just gonna see who the best one is. Now, there's probably about 24 teams that don't know how to assess quarterbacks in the NFL, but at least the Browns admit it. 102 00:09:19.870 --> 00:09:25.450 Robert Kelly: Well, let's not forget, too, that they also have the most expensive, worst trade in NFL history. 103 00:09:25.850 --> 00:09:29.930 Robert Kelly: recovering from a torn Achilles, also on their roster, so… 104 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:33.099 Mike Marcangelo: Is he on their roster still? 105 00:09:33.100 --> 00:09:35.199 Robert Kelly: Yeah. Oh yeah, they're still paying him. 106 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:37.109 David Clarke: I completely forgot about that. 107 00:09:37.330 --> 00:09:38.000 Robert Kelly: Yep. 108 00:09:38.640 --> 00:09:41.070 David Clarke: That's so crazy, you can't… they bought them out, no? 109 00:09:41.350 --> 00:09:41.930 Mike Marcangelo: I thought they bought. 110 00:09:41.930 --> 00:09:44.900 Robert Kelly: No, yeah, he's still there. No, no, Deshaun Watson. 111 00:09:45.580 --> 00:09:48.200 David Clarke: I know who you were talking about, I just didn't… I thought they bought them out. 112 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:50.820 Mike Marcangelo: Deshaun? 113 00:09:50.820 --> 00:09:55.510 David Clarke: Oh, fully guaranteed $230 million. I mean, if you wanted to buy him out, you'd have to pay $230 up front. 114 00:09:55.510 --> 00:09:58.289 Robert Kelly: You're still paying them. You're still paying them exactly what you're paying them. 115 00:09:58.290 --> 00:10:00.799 David Clarke: fully guaranteed thing. Jesus Christ! 116 00:10:00.800 --> 00:10:06.830 Robert Kelly: It was the most guaranteed money in the history of the NFL when he signed that. I think it still might be, actually. 117 00:10:07.130 --> 00:10:10.900 David Clarke: Honestly, like… Deshaun Watson's a genius. 118 00:10:12.170 --> 00:10:13.820 David Clarke: That's the smartest guy alive. 119 00:10:13.980 --> 00:10:16.520 David Clarke: He must have known he was cooked when he signed that, too. 120 00:10:16.940 --> 00:10:18.879 David Clarke: He must have known it at his heart. 121 00:10:19.150 --> 00:10:22.090 David Clarke: Alright, I can't talk about the Browns anymore, this is depressing me. We're moving on. 122 00:10:22.090 --> 00:10:32.659 Mike Marcangelo: Oh, one last thing, I think there could be a real chance that they activate Bailey Zappi off their practice squad, and he's their backup, and they keep Shador at 3 just to keep fucking with him. 123 00:10:32.800 --> 00:10:34.170 Mike Marcangelo: Which, at this point, like… 124 00:10:34.890 --> 00:10:39.160 Mike Marcangelo: Did you really just draft him just to… just… just to shit on him for an entire year? 125 00:10:39.430 --> 00:10:40.430 David Clarke: Sounds like it. 126 00:10:40.590 --> 00:10:41.619 David Clarke: Sounds like it. Seems like it. 127 00:10:41.620 --> 00:10:42.510 Robert Kelly: Yeah, it does seem like… 128 00:10:43.170 --> 00:10:49.870 David Clarke: Sounds like maybe they just don't like him, and they just wanted to, like, put them in purgatory. 129 00:10:50.170 --> 00:10:54.879 David Clarke: It's actually a perfect, bailey Zappi's a perfect transition into talking about the Patriots, because… 130 00:10:54.980 --> 00:11:05.509 David Clarke: Early on in this podcast, if not, like, right when we started it, you guys were talking yourselves into Bailey Zappi possibly being a professional NFL starting quarterback for the New England Patriots, and now you've got Drake May, look how far you've come. 131 00:11:05.510 --> 00:11:13.059 Mike Marcangelo: Just to be clear, we started this podcast in 2020, Bailey Zappy was in 2023. So there was a 3-year gap where that was not happening. 132 00:11:13.060 --> 00:11:32.010 David Clarke: I was… I think it's better for you if it happened closer to the start of the podcast, because, like, the fact that that was that recently is not great. But hey, listen, you now have Drake May, who seems like he might be the guy. I've been saying that for a while now. I think he's shown all the tools, like, early, that a young quarterback should be showing. 133 00:11:32.050 --> 00:11:47.779 David Clarke: I think he's, like, been sort of a… I mean, I know how the Patriots fanbase is, but nationally, he's actually been able to fly under the radar as far as, like, national media criticism of some of his less-than-perfect moments, and I think that's given him a chance to actually grow and flourish under the Rabel system. 134 00:11:47.970 --> 00:11:58.959 David Clarke: I think he's been given the opportunity to win games for you guys, which I think is really smart. I think Vrabel trusts him, and I think that's the only way to really do it in the quarterback-driven league that we're in right now. 135 00:11:59.020 --> 00:12:18.910 David Clarke: I wouldn't go so far as to say… these are just my initial thoughts on the game. I wouldn't so far… go so far as to say as Stephon Diggs is back, but I think that they put him in a position to succeed, and I, you know, he's not… I don't think he's ever gonna be the same guy that he was, but I think that they put him in positions to really help, Drake May out. 136 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:27.400 David Clarke: I think Drake May made the best play of his career in probably the most important win of his career, in that, like, folly Downy throw. 137 00:12:27.510 --> 00:12:30.349 David Clarke: And, like I was saying to Ray in the group chat. 138 00:12:30.650 --> 00:12:45.250 David Clarke: I don't think… even, like, at the end of the game, it was kind of like, okay, like, who's got better clock management? Like, who's gonna be able to, like, really make this happen? Like, you know, it's kind of a coin toss. There was… you sort of fought to a stalemate, and then it's like, alright, well, what's the clock at? And I was just sort of saying, like, I think… 139 00:12:45.480 --> 00:12:50.489 David Clarke: No matter what, taking the bills all the way to the end is a win. 140 00:12:50.490 --> 00:13:13.470 David Clarke: Of course, you won the game, that's awesome, but I think, more importantly, honestly, than that individual win, because this isn't a season where the Patriots are going… unless, I mean, maybe this game changed your mind, this isn't a season where you're looking to rack up double-digit wins and make a meaningful playoff run. You're really in a… I know Ray hates the idea of, like, being in a rebuild, because you guys never had to be in one for, like, two decades, but really, in this… 141 00:13:13.470 --> 00:13:27.990 David Clarke: era of the Patriots, I think you should be looking at it as, okay, we're gonna take positives from this, we're not gonna get carried away, but this is ahead of schedule, being able to do this to the Bills. No, I mean, that's just my rational take on it, but if you have an irrational fan take, I'm all for those here on this show, too. 142 00:13:28.390 --> 00:13:45.760 Mike Marcangelo: No, I 100% believe that this is the biggest win that the Patriots have had since Brady left. And it really goes against every fiber of my being, because I used to be the person to shit on fan bases that had their biggest wins of the season in September or early October. But here we are. 143 00:13:45.810 --> 00:13:48.090 Mike Marcangelo: Drake, he won that game. 144 00:13:48.090 --> 00:14:12.120 Mike Marcangelo: And that's all you can, like, every… we talked about on this pod for, like, 3 straight years. Mac Jones had good games, but he never had a statement game where he won it for you. And Drake just did it. That… that throw to Diggs when he was being taken down by the defensive lineman was unbelievable. But the throw right after that, down the sideline against Cover 2, where he read the defense perfectly to pop Douglas, or it was either him or Booty. 145 00:14:12.150 --> 00:14:15.250 Mike Marcangelo: Like, that was… that was great, too. 146 00:14:15.590 --> 00:14:18.399 Mike Marcangelo: I'm… I'm super excited, and I think my… 147 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:36.360 Mike Marcangelo: My expectations for this team at the beginning of the year, as I said on our prediction show, that I had them winning more games than the Cowboys, but I didn't have them being a double-digit win team, because I still had respect for, you know, who the Chiefs were, and who the Ravens were. 148 00:14:37.010 --> 00:14:38.749 Mike Marcangelo: But I think that… 149 00:14:38.910 --> 00:14:42.640 Mike Marcangelo: Now, I'm not saying they're gonna win 11 games, but I think they could get to 10. 150 00:14:42.890 --> 00:14:45.620 Mike Marcangelo: I mean, I really do. And that would be wild. 151 00:14:46.960 --> 00:14:50.900 David Clarke: Alright, let's do it. Let's do that thing where I say who they're gonna play, and 152 00:14:51.370 --> 00:14:53.059 David Clarke: You say win or loss. 153 00:14:53.620 --> 00:14:57.320 David Clarke: And then that… we see if we can get them to 10 wins. What do you think? 154 00:14:57.540 --> 00:15:16.629 David Clarke: Bobby, feel free to pipe up if he says anything ridiculous, because I'm just going to be reading names if he says ridiculous wins, although they did beat the Bills, so it's sort of hard to… it's sort of hard to deny. So they're 3-2 right now. I'll give them a win. I'll give them 2 wins in the next two games, right off the bat, the Saints and the Titans, which puts them at 5-2. 155 00:15:16.630 --> 00:15:24.049 David Clarke: Then the Browns, I mean, they could, yeah, they could get to 10. Their fucking schedule for the good season. They play the Saints, the Titans. 156 00:15:24.070 --> 00:15:29.189 David Clarke: the Browns, so that's 6-2. They play the Falcons, fuck it, I'll give them that too. 7-2. 157 00:15:29.190 --> 00:15:30.010 Mike Marcangelo: 7 and 2? 158 00:15:30.390 --> 00:15:32.620 David Clarke: I say they lose to the Bucks, would you agree with that? 159 00:15:33.740 --> 00:15:36.460 Mike Marcangelo: As currently constituted, yeah, so they're 7-3. 160 00:15:36.460 --> 00:15:51.749 David Clarke: 7-3, they beat the Jets 8-3. Yep. The fucking Bengals don't look that great, they beat the Bengals 9-3. Shit, they're going to the fucking… they might win the division at this rate, what the fuck? Give the Patriots this fucking schedule! This is criminal! They can't keep getting away with this! 161 00:15:51.750 --> 00:16:02.360 Robert Kelly: No, and the last two weeks is the best… it's not just this past week against the Bills, either. It's not like it was a fluke. The week before against the Panthers, they looked just as good. The defense… 162 00:16:02.360 --> 00:16:09.080 David Clarke: they don't play anyone good except until they get to the Bills again on the 14th of December, and the Bills are coming to Foxboro in December. 163 00:16:10.210 --> 00:16:11.089 Mike Marcangelo: They also dominate. 164 00:16:11.090 --> 00:16:12.430 David Clarke: the rest of the season! 165 00:16:12.430 --> 00:16:13.070 Robert Kelly: That's awesome. 166 00:16:13.070 --> 00:16:23.070 Mike Marcangelo: dominated the Steelers at home, but committed 5 turnovers. Like, every statistical category in that game, they dominated, except fucking turnovers, and that's how you lose a game. 167 00:16:23.070 --> 00:16:26.370 Robert Kelly: turnovers at, like, a pretty legendary rate, like, they need to stop doing that shit. 168 00:16:26.370 --> 00:16:27.750 David Clarke: I imagine that's frustrating. 169 00:16:28.090 --> 00:16:34.030 Robert Kelly: Last week, against the Bills, the defense looked very opportune in forcing those turnovers on Allen. 170 00:16:34.030 --> 00:16:37.169 David Clarke: I thought they looked really unit-coached, you know? I thought, like… 171 00:16:37.170 --> 00:16:38.560 Robert Kelly: Yeah, they look really good on defense. 172 00:16:38.560 --> 00:16:51.669 David Clarke: I think… I agree with everything you're saying, Mike, about Drake. Like, I think if I was a Patriots fan, I think the thing I would be most excited for would be how well Drake played, and like, Bobby, even you have to admit, like, I know you have a thing about the Patriots, you have a thing about a number of teams, but, like. 173 00:16:51.670 --> 00:16:59.100 David Clarke: Drake… Drake played pretty saucy, and the fact that it was that juxtaposition of him and Josh Allen on the field at the same time, because I think they're similar QBs. 174 00:16:59.280 --> 00:17:05.230 David Clarke: I think that was really interesting to say, but honestly, I think the thing that… really looked… 175 00:17:05.540 --> 00:17:22.280 David Clarke: the best, from my perspective, was how well unit coached each one of the defensive units was, like, especially the D-line, but, like, also the secondary really, like, didn't get burned too badly in any particular situation. They stopped the run from the linebacker position, like, they stopped it on 3 different levels. 176 00:17:22.280 --> 00:17:35.120 David Clarke: They didn't ever let the Bills get comfortable, they never, like, gave them any real gimmies, or anything silly, or anything like that. Some light calls here and there, but there's been a lot of light calls to the NFL this year, and I'm already kind of sick of it, like, whatever. 177 00:17:36.180 --> 00:17:52.389 David Clarke: I really thought that defense, like, that… if you remember, when the coaching sweepstakes were happening, not to say I'm not happy with Ben Johnson so far, but when the coaching sweepstakes were happening, I was… I was like, if I could choose, I would have the Bears get Vrabel, and I think what you're seeing on the defensive side of the ball is why. 178 00:17:52.390 --> 00:17:52.760 Mike Marcangelo: Nope. 179 00:17:52.760 --> 00:17:57.959 David Clarke: I really think, like, I just… it's what I liked watching in Tennessee when he was there. 180 00:17:57.960 --> 00:18:14.599 David Clarke: it's just a well-coached defense, it just is, and, like, no one fucking does that anymore. So, I just, like, I really enjoy that. It's like, I have to hate the commanders now, so, like, Quinn, whatever, we're mortal enemies for life, apparently, it's just, like, the situation I've been locked into, but… 181 00:18:14.790 --> 00:18:36.460 David Clarke: really, like, nobody does that, so I just… I like having a Mike Vrabel coach team, and I like that kind of team, and I really think he's doing a lot with Drake May, more than I think people gave him credit for being able to do, being like, him, he's not exactly a quarterback guru, quote, by me. So, you know, like, in my face, like, Drake looks great. He might also just be good enough that he was gonna look good this year, like, no matter what, right? You just need to put him… 182 00:18:36.460 --> 00:18:38.510 David Clarke: I mean… situation not to be terrible. 183 00:18:38.800 --> 00:18:49.509 Mike Marcangelo: I think you're overlooking the fact that he has a really great coordinator now in Josh Pit Daniels. Say what you want about him as a head coach, but he is a great offensive coordinator, and it looks like he's tailoring the scheme. 184 00:18:49.510 --> 00:18:50.099 David Clarke: I don't know about that. 185 00:18:50.100 --> 00:18:50.839 Mike Marcangelo: or Drake. 186 00:18:51.110 --> 00:18:52.050 Mike Marcangelo: initiative. 187 00:18:52.050 --> 00:18:53.699 David Clarke: Visor coaches. 188 00:18:53.900 --> 00:18:54.989 David Clarke: It's just not… 189 00:18:55.170 --> 00:18:56.500 Mike Marcangelo: Belichick organizer. 190 00:18:57.410 --> 00:18:58.850 David Clarke: Hmm… did he? 191 00:18:58.850 --> 00:19:01.030 Mike Marcangelo: So, yeah, so that just… I've been… 192 00:19:01.030 --> 00:19:02.439 David Clarke: When, like, when, like, when, like, when… 193 00:19:02.440 --> 00:19:04.609 Robert Kelly: Look what he's doing at UNC, though. 194 00:19:06.100 --> 00:19:08.549 Mike Marcangelo: Like, yeah, sure, but what the… 195 00:19:08.550 --> 00:19:12.039 David Clarke: Yeah, he wore a visor when, like, when it was, like, required. It wasn't, like, his thing, like, like… 196 00:19:12.040 --> 00:19:13.299 Mike Marcangelo: I mean, he could work. 197 00:19:13.300 --> 00:19:15.039 David Clarke: Daniels wears one in the booth. 198 00:19:15.730 --> 00:19:17.969 David Clarke: You know what I'm saying? Where's one in the booth? 199 00:19:18.500 --> 00:19:19.130 Mike Marcangelo: I'm in the booth. 200 00:19:19.730 --> 00:19:30.879 David Clarke: He's been in the booth, he's been… he's been a booth guy. Yeah, he's been a booth guy. For sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's been a booth guy, for sure. I'm 100% sure of this. I'm gonna look this up. Stand by. Josh… 201 00:19:30.880 --> 00:19:41.370 Robert Kelly: Getting Christian Gonzalez back was a huge deal for them. It makes their defense so much better. That secondary looks like a different secondary with him, because it puts Davis in the position he's supposed to be, and it puts Jody. 202 00:19:41.370 --> 00:19:44.390 David Clarke: My whole screen is just him sitting in the booth right now. 203 00:19:44.590 --> 00:19:46.090 Mike Marcangelo: There's no booze. 204 00:19:47.810 --> 00:19:50.050 David Clarke: He's up in the thing, he's one of those guys, isn't he? 205 00:19:50.050 --> 00:19:51.950 Mike Marcangelo: No! He's on the field. 206 00:19:52.130 --> 00:19:53.240 Robert Kelly: He's definitely a sideline guy. 207 00:19:53.240 --> 00:19:56.370 David Clarke: It was a night game, and he had a fucking visor on, so… 208 00:19:58.200 --> 00:20:06.449 David Clarke: I mean, if you don't know what I'm saying, then it is what it is. I don't really remember Belichick and Advisor. I guess, like, there's… he's the exception to the. 209 00:20:06.450 --> 00:20:13.049 Mike Marcangelo: I mean, he's wearing one right now, as he's about to be bought up by UNC in Week 6, so that's great, but… 210 00:20:13.050 --> 00:20:15.099 David Clarke: advisor coach, like, full-time, this is what happens. 211 00:20:15.100 --> 00:20:15.460 Mike Marcangelo: Does it… 212 00:20:15.460 --> 00:20:16.140 David Clarke: Is what you're saying? 213 00:20:16.140 --> 00:20:18.440 Mike Marcangelo: 2004, 2004. 214 00:20:18.690 --> 00:20:31.349 Mike Marcangelo: I want to leave that topic for a second, but Carlton Davis as our number 2 corner, makes our defense so much better than when he's our number one, because he can't fucking cover. Like, he really can't… 215 00:20:31.420 --> 00:20:48.590 Mike Marcangelo: I don't know why, when that happened, but having Gonzo back, you're right, Bobby, like, it helps, it helps everything. And what I've seen from Stephon Diggs the past two weeks, I mean, I know he's not backpack, but he's had 16 catches for 270 yards, in the last 2 weeks. So, like. 216 00:20:48.620 --> 00:20:57.360 Mike Marcangelo: I don't… I don't know if he's gonna keep that up, but if he can get to 80 yards a week, he's gonna be our first 1,000-yard catcher since… since Julian, and that just means… 217 00:20:57.840 --> 00:21:07.929 Mike Marcangelo: You only have two and a half more years before you have to pay Drake May $70 million a year as a quarterback, so you better put receivers around him in these next two seasons. 218 00:21:09.110 --> 00:21:12.210 David Clarke: I agree. I don't… I don't see any… I don't see any… 219 00:21:12.210 --> 00:21:29.969 David Clarke: I also think they built in the right direction, though. It's like, now you can go, like, now you can go splash the free agent market, now you know. You've, like, built up from the… from the trenches, your trenches look really good, like, this is what I've been asking the Bears to do for years, and they just fucking flat-out refused. They're like, we're gonna get another quarterback, it's gonna be cool. And I'm like, okay. 220 00:21:29.980 --> 00:21:38.099 David Clarke: All right? And they go, we need, like, 3 more wide receivers. I'm like, do we? Alright. I mean, it's cool. It's like a 9-year-old playing Madden, but I'm like, we really need to build the trenches. 221 00:21:38.140 --> 00:21:42.519 David Clarke: Yeah, I mean, I agree. I think that you're… but that's why I said, like. 222 00:21:42.770 --> 00:21:56.080 David Clarke: you know, they're way ahead of schedule, because, like, realistically, all they really need to do is win 8 or 9 games this year. Like, show those… show that the coaching's there, the quarterback plays there, and the trenches are there, and then you can go get yourself, like, one… 223 00:21:56.270 --> 00:22:15.859 David Clarke: sick safety, and, like, 2 really, really good wide receivers, and you keep your tight end, and Diggs is, like, a 2 or a 3, and then it's like, alright, let's make a run, let's see, let's see what we can do. But you're so ahead of schedule, and you're probably gonna win 36 fucking regular season games, because they make you play, like, fuckin' Bill Belichick's UNC every week for the next, like, 7 weeks. 224 00:22:15.990 --> 00:22:26.220 David Clarke: I don't… yeah, I don't know. I'm flabbergasted that that's your schedule. That's a crazy, easy schedule. It's… admittedly, it looks… We were 4-13 in two straight years. 225 00:22:26.610 --> 00:22:31.369 David Clarke: I get it. No, I get it. It's just that, like, I mean, the schedule looked harder. 226 00:22:31.610 --> 00:22:45.550 David Clarke: at the start of the season, also, than it looks right now, like, maybe the… maybe the Bengals, maybe the Ravens, but damn, like… the fact that you went into Buffalo and beat Buffalo is a really good… that was a really, really, really good thing that you did. You might win the division. 227 00:22:45.700 --> 00:22:54.570 David Clarke: There's a chance. I would be curious as to what the outside odds are on that. Like, because realistically, what? You gotta win 13 games to win the division? 228 00:22:56.150 --> 00:22:57.909 Mike Marcangelo: Not if you beat the Bills twice, I don't think. 229 00:22:59.060 --> 00:22:59.690 David Clarke: Right. 230 00:22:59.800 --> 00:23:00.570 David Clarke: Fright. 231 00:23:01.790 --> 00:23:03.679 Mike Marcangelo: 11 would probably do it at that point. 232 00:23:03.680 --> 00:23:04.270 David Clarke: Yeah. 233 00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:06.549 David Clarke: I don't know, I wonder what those odds are. 234 00:23:06.550 --> 00:23:08.570 Mike Marcangelo: I just want to say, though, this all falls apart. 235 00:23:08.570 --> 00:23:09.110 Robert Kelly: Trucking right now. 236 00:23:09.130 --> 00:23:13.590 Mike Marcangelo: If you lose the trap game against the Saints this week, which they shouldn't do. 237 00:23:13.590 --> 00:23:17.079 David Clarke: It's not a trap game. It's definitely a trap. It's not a trap game. 238 00:23:17.080 --> 00:23:23.429 Mike Marcangelo: They're just coming off this great high, and they're already looking past the Saints. The Saints are so bad. 239 00:23:23.430 --> 00:23:24.420 David Clarke: That you can look back. 240 00:23:25.830 --> 00:23:27.740 David Clarke: They ha- you have to have something. 241 00:23:28.090 --> 00:23:29.620 David Clarke: You have to have something. 242 00:23:29.950 --> 00:23:33.140 David Clarke: If you're… if you're the Saints. And you just… they don't have anything. 243 00:23:36.850 --> 00:23:37.679 Mike Marcangelo: I hope you're right. 244 00:23:38.250 --> 00:23:43.600 David Clarke: I mean, I get why you think it's a trap game, don't get me wrong, but, like, Hmm… 245 00:23:44.680 --> 00:23:48.879 David Clarke: They just beat the Giants, you know what I mean? Like, what… what does that even mean? That's nothing. 246 00:23:49.880 --> 00:23:51.420 Mike Marcangelo: Giants meet the Chargers. 247 00:23:51.420 --> 00:24:05.970 David Clarke: Yeah, but then, you see, this is the problem, once you get, like, week 5, week 6, you can't really do this NFL math anymore, right? Because it's like, everyone's probably gonna beat everyone at some point. Like, it's like, let's just sort of see, like, win more often than not. And, like, let's see what they actually look like on the page. 248 00:24:06.080 --> 00:24:10.280 Robert Kelly: Alright, Bears had a bye week. Plus… plus 400. 249 00:24:10.760 --> 00:24:12.369 Mike Marcangelo: Plus 400, I'd take that. 250 00:24:12.370 --> 00:24:14.830 David Clarke: I'd take it. I'd take it right now, I'd take it to the bank. 251 00:24:15.170 --> 00:24:16.360 Mike Marcangelo: I'll do that right now. 252 00:24:16.780 --> 00:24:25.739 David Clarke: plus 400 for the Patriots to win their division. If you look at their schedule, I mean, I… it's… can we look at the Bills' schedule real fast, and just compare… just compare notes? 253 00:24:26.210 --> 00:24:30.270 David Clarke: Cuz… If it's way harder to find those wins for them. 254 00:24:30.960 --> 00:24:35.389 David Clarke: Right off the bat, they play the Falcons, then they play the Panthers, then they play the Chiefs. 255 00:24:35.860 --> 00:24:37.670 Mike Marcangelo: which we know they're gonna lose to the Chiefs. 256 00:24:37.670 --> 00:24:43.870 David Clarke: Then they play the Dolphins, so that's like 3 wins, 1 loss, say. Then they play the Bucks, which could, like, we could be a loss, could. 257 00:24:44.440 --> 00:24:45.540 Robert Kelly: That'd be a great game. 258 00:24:45.660 --> 00:24:47.649 David Clarke: Then they play the Texans in prime time. 259 00:24:48.140 --> 00:24:49.760 David Clarke: Then they play the Steelers. 260 00:24:49.970 --> 00:24:55.740 David Clarke: Then they play the Bengals, then they play the Pats again, then the Browns, then the Eagles. Dude, you could win that division. 261 00:24:56.280 --> 00:25:05.489 David Clarke: You could win that division. You could win that division with 12 wins. 13 wins, if one of them's the… 12 wins if one of them's the Bills again. How about that? That's really all you need. 262 00:25:05.490 --> 00:25:06.320 Mike Marcangelo: that. 263 00:25:06.320 --> 00:25:11.229 Robert Kelly: It's wild. That's where we're at. That's how big of a win that was, though. That's what we're talking about now. 264 00:25:11.230 --> 00:25:11.740 David Clarke: Imagine you're. 265 00:25:11.740 --> 00:25:12.300 Mike Marcangelo: But again, it's. 266 00:25:12.300 --> 00:25:16.960 David Clarke: Patriots win the AFC East again? Like, I mean, that's fucking absolutely sickening. Absolutely sick. 267 00:25:16.960 --> 00:25:19.769 Mike Marcangelo: We would be insufferable as a fan base. 268 00:25:19.770 --> 00:25:21.359 Robert Kelly: It's too fast, man. It's too fast. 269 00:25:21.360 --> 00:25:26.159 David Clarke: This is not fair. Thankfully, Mike, you already are, so there would be no change. 270 00:25:26.160 --> 00:25:28.219 Mike Marcangelo: I meant, I meant us as a fanbase. 271 00:25:28.350 --> 00:25:34.509 David Clarke: I mean you as a fanbase also. Just kidding. That's our entire listenership. I would never say something like that. 272 00:25:34.630 --> 00:25:37.180 David Clarke: Okay. 273 00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:43.419 David Clarke: the Bears had a bye week, so there's really nothing to talk about, except for they're playing Monday night against the Commanders. 274 00:25:43.890 --> 00:25:53.350 David Clarke: Do you guys have any faith in my Chicago Bears to beat the Washington Commanders in Monday Night Football in prime time? Anyone? Anyone? Buehler? 275 00:25:54.840 --> 00:25:55.520 Mike Marcangelo: No. 276 00:25:56.070 --> 00:25:56.480 David Clarke: Hmm. 277 00:25:56.480 --> 00:25:58.269 Robert Kelly: Not the way the commanders are playing right now. 278 00:25:58.460 --> 00:26:00.440 Mike Marcangelo: Not the way the commanders are playing right now. 279 00:26:01.040 --> 00:26:05.690 Mike Marcangelo: Do you, if they weren't your team, Dave, would you have faith in them beating the commanders? 280 00:26:06.060 --> 00:26:09.450 David Clarke: I think it's a little bit of a trap game for the commanders. 281 00:26:09.640 --> 00:26:14.730 David Clarke: To be honest, I think it's a revenge game for the Bears. I think you can find some plot lines. 282 00:26:14.900 --> 00:26:21.820 David Clarke: I think the Bears will look pretty good. I know you guys, like, just basically say it doesn't count when they win, but, like, I think they've looked pretty good. 283 00:26:22.010 --> 00:26:24.569 David Clarke: They beat the Cowboys. 284 00:26:25.100 --> 00:26:27.350 David Clarke: That wasn't… that didn't mean anything. 285 00:26:27.650 --> 00:26:29.560 David Clarke: Apparently. 286 00:26:29.560 --> 00:26:32.719 Robert Kelly: It's a little more now. The Cowboys have looked a little better the last two weeks. 287 00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:41.140 David Clarke: Oh, so… so it does mean something. Alright, cool. And then they beat the Raiders, but that doesn't mean anything, apparently, because the Raiders then got their fucking shit pushed in the following week. 288 00:26:41.340 --> 00:26:42.879 David Clarke: I would… 289 00:26:42.880 --> 00:26:45.470 Mike Marcangelo: Well, the Cowboys win absolutely matters. That counts. 290 00:26:45.470 --> 00:26:47.239 David Clarke: You said it didn't… you literally said it didn't count. 291 00:26:47.240 --> 00:26:50.140 Mike Marcangelo: No, I was… no, I was the Raiders. I'm the one that said the Raiders didn't count. 292 00:26:50.140 --> 00:26:52.790 David Clarke: No, no. When they beat the Cowboys, you were like, it's the Cowboys. 293 00:26:52.790 --> 00:26:53.520 Mike Marcangelo: False. 294 00:26:53.710 --> 00:26:54.500 Mike Marcangelo: No? 295 00:26:54.500 --> 00:26:55.739 David Clarke: I'll fucking find it. 296 00:26:55.740 --> 00:26:58.439 Mike Marcangelo: Go back, just like your little visor in the booth. 297 00:26:58.600 --> 00:27:00.259 Mike Marcangelo: I… you said… I said that. 298 00:27:00.260 --> 00:27:05.940 David Clarke: Yeah, reality. My little visor in the booth is reality. This is the place where I live. Would you like to come over here? 299 00:27:05.940 --> 00:27:06.340 Mike Marcangelo: Never. 300 00:27:06.340 --> 00:27:07.829 David Clarke: Say things that happen. 301 00:27:07.980 --> 00:27:21.769 Mike Marcangelo: You said, I said there's not… there's not been a team that's committed, that forced 2 turnovers, and only had 6 points, and… and beat… and won. And you said the, the Bears said it last week, and I said, yeah, but it was against the Raiders. 302 00:27:21.980 --> 00:27:25.489 David Clarke: Okay, but you said there hasn't been one, and I said, there has. 303 00:27:25.880 --> 00:27:29.880 David Clarke: I said, yeah, but qualify, qualify, qualify, because you love to change reality, that's your favorite. 304 00:27:29.880 --> 00:27:34.719 Mike Marcangelo: You just… you just said on this very show, 35 seconds ago, that I said the Cowboys, which I did not. 305 00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:43.120 David Clarke: I know, you did say that about… you both can be true. You said that about the Raiders, but you also said, when they beat the Cowboys, you were like… I said something like, Bears had a good week. 306 00:27:43.340 --> 00:27:45.199 David Clarke: Talk amongst yourselves for a second. 307 00:27:46.750 --> 00:27:48.310 Robert Kelly: Fuck that. 308 00:27:49.350 --> 00:27:51.300 Robert Kelly: You're really searching for it? 309 00:27:51.300 --> 00:27:55.119 Mike Marcangelo: Yeah, this is what pettiness looks like, and we still haven't seen Josh McDaniels, an advisor in the book. 310 00:27:55.120 --> 00:27:56.660 David Clarke: Okay, here we go, here we go. 311 00:27:57.450 --> 00:27:59.500 David Clarke: Maybe the Bears just had a good day. Dave. 312 00:27:59.680 --> 00:28:07.040 David Clarke: Mike, Russ threw on them for 500 yards last week, and we know he's cooked, lol. That's what you fucking said. So, right there. Right there. 313 00:28:07.040 --> 00:28:09.259 Mike Marcangelo: Never mention the Cowboys. Never mention the Cowboys. 314 00:28:09.260 --> 00:28:11.259 David Clarke: You were… it was about the Cowboys! 315 00:28:11.260 --> 00:28:12.869 Robert Kelly: Good contact for the Cowboys. 316 00:28:12.870 --> 00:28:15.929 Mike Marcangelo: It was 100% about the Cowboys! 317 00:28:15.930 --> 00:28:28.480 David Clarke: Come on! It's hard to prove. Come on, bro. You can't. You can't do that to me. You know you expressed the sentiment that the Cowboys' win didn't count for much, and then you expressed the sentiment that the Raiders' win didn't count for much, while I'm over here going, hey man, Drake looks great! 318 00:28:28.480 --> 00:28:40.720 David Clarke: Really, like, awesome-looking defense, and you're like, I don't know, you play scrubs, and then we look at the fucking Patriots schedule, and you're gonna be sucking your own cock at the end of the year about beating a bunch of fucking tomato cans, and I can already fucking see it! There's no winning with you! 319 00:28:41.350 --> 00:28:42.020 Mike Marcangelo: Correct. 320 00:28:43.550 --> 00:28:44.760 David Clarke: Yeah, you are insufferable. 321 00:28:46.790 --> 00:28:48.010 Robert Kelly: I love it. 322 00:28:48.010 --> 00:28:54.679 David Clarke: What the fuck are we talking about? Alright, forget the Bears. I know you guys don't think they're gonna beat the fucking Commanders, I already know that. 323 00:28:54.680 --> 00:28:55.240 Mike Marcangelo: you? 324 00:28:55.240 --> 00:28:55.810 David Clarke: Yeah. 325 00:28:56.250 --> 00:29:08.229 Robert Kelly: I think it's impressive, this early, they're only 4.5 point underdogs in that game. I think that Vegas has a little bit of faith in the Bears, for sure, because that means they're pretty much on an even playing field, because… 326 00:29:08.230 --> 00:29:19.260 David Clarke: Plus, money hasn't come in yet. Plus, money hasn't come in yet, and we're, like, a week away, so, like, or almost a week away, so it's like, you know, once the money comes in, then we'll actually start to see, but, like, what the actual sentiment is, because honestly, like… 327 00:29:19.370 --> 00:29:37.240 David Clarke: I'm not… like, I don't think that we've had our bills win, because we obviously haven't. Like, we haven't had, like, a statement win that, like, means anything, and I also think nothing's changed about what I think is wrong with the team. I just was hoping that more shit wasn't wrong that I knew about, which happens all the time, right? Where I'm like… 328 00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:53.289 David Clarke: I know the fucking trenches are bad, like, we can't really get pressure on the QB. I don't really love the idea of blitzing with how our personnel is set up, because we're kind of cover linebacker, like, guys, like, especially if we're playing man, so we'll just get torched through the middle if we blitz too much, so that's fine, so we need to get pressure with 4. 329 00:29:53.470 --> 00:30:04.990 David Clarke: Montez Sweat is, like, a ghost of his former self. Like, I knew all this shit. A new offensive line, I knew all this shit, right? And, like, they're trying to get used to not committing 19 penalties a game, and I hope they do achieve that soon. 330 00:30:04.990 --> 00:30:15.500 David Clarke: I was just hoping, like, I hope we have a good coach. I hope he's a good head coach, because there's… I've seen a million fucking, you know, guru offensive coordinators, like, become head coaches, and then bang, they're not… 331 00:30:15.700 --> 00:30:20.290 Robert Kelly: any good. Mark Trestman? Mark Trussman isn't your favorite guy? 332 00:30:20.620 --> 00:30:21.260 David Clarke: No. 333 00:30:21.310 --> 00:30:22.709 David Clarke: He sure isn't. And, like. 334 00:30:22.710 --> 00:30:28.839 David Clarke: I don't even mean just us, I think it happens, like, across the board. I think it happens to every team, where it's like, this guy's, like, the next offensive mind. 335 00:30:28.840 --> 00:30:44.569 David Clarke: That's not to say that it probably hasn't worked more often than not in the last few years, to be honest. Like, since, like, the Shanahan days, I think it's, like, kind of happening more and more, where it's like, oh, no, those guys can be good head coaches, like, they can create culture, and I think Johnson is doing that. I've also seen a lot out of Caleb. A lot. 336 00:30:44.570 --> 00:31:00.889 David Clarke: Like, a lot this season, now that he's not, like, just getting hunted on a fucking regular basis. And also, just to say, as long as we don't get absolutely walloped, like, a loss against the Commanders isn't actually the worst thing in the world. Like, I was trying to say to Ray, it's like, I just need to see some shit. 337 00:31:01.080 --> 00:31:03.620 David Clarke: This is my I-need-to-see-some-shit season. 338 00:31:04.890 --> 00:31:22.130 David Clarke: And that's all I really need, is I just need to see some shit. I would… am I gonna wanna win the game on the day? Yeah, of course. Like, I'm gonna be into it, but I'm just trying to keep my fucking sanity here this year. Because if you guys were bad for 8 seconds, and now you're good again, and like, this is just my life, like, I can't… I don't know. I might be all done. 339 00:31:22.130 --> 00:31:25.980 David Clarke: I might have to retire. So, like, at that point, like, we'll see. 340 00:31:25.980 --> 00:31:28.979 David Clarke: But, yeah, of course I think they're gonna win. 341 00:31:29.040 --> 00:31:30.370 David Clarke: They're my team. 342 00:31:30.840 --> 00:31:35.389 Mike Marcangelo: We were bad for half a decade, by the way. I mean, that's a long time. 343 00:31:35.390 --> 00:31:35.970 Robert Kelly: Wow, fuck. 344 00:31:35.970 --> 00:31:36.720 David Clarke: it's not. 345 00:31:37.410 --> 00:31:38.340 David Clarke: Take your food. 346 00:31:38.340 --> 00:31:40.129 Robert Kelly: Beers, oh my god. 347 00:31:40.470 --> 00:31:57.850 David Clarke: You sound like the guy in prison that's there for, like, tax evasion, and I'm the guy that's gonna fucking stab you later for saying that, because I'm here forever. It's like… I'm like, I'm so glad you committed that white-collar crime. I'm here forever. I've never not been here. I came with the jail. 348 00:31:57.850 --> 00:32:02.869 David Clarke: So, I wasn't here in 1985, so, you know, here we are. 349 00:32:02.950 --> 00:32:20.240 David Clarke: Bobby, let's talk about the Cowboys. You mentioned it's a little bit more creditable to beat them, or I guess tie with them. I guess tie with them if you're a team in the NFL right now. That's cool, right? They're looking a little bit better. Dak's looking good. 350 00:32:20.370 --> 00:32:23.060 David Clarke: early season DAC, early season DAC form happening. 351 00:32:23.060 --> 00:32:33.060 Robert Kelly: Yeah, Dak… early… early… early season, Dak has definitely showed up. The offense looks very good. Going 2-0 without CD and putting up the points we have. 352 00:32:33.060 --> 00:32:33.610 David Clarke: Yeah. 353 00:32:33.610 --> 00:32:41.410 Robert Kelly: weeks, has definitely put some optimism back in my sails, for sure. You a little, you wink there? Yeah, maybe. 354 00:32:41.980 --> 00:32:46.100 Robert Kelly: But the only thing is, is our secondary is still just absolute garbage. 355 00:32:46.100 --> 00:32:46.640 David Clarke: They are bad. 356 00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:57.879 Robert Kelly: Bro, Diggs is bad, Bland is bad, neither of them can cover anyone. We have no linebackers, no pass rush. So there's, like, nothing going on on defense, so… 357 00:32:57.880 --> 00:33:04.999 David Clarke: That's weird, because the past few years, I felt like your pass rush was pretty good. Did something happen? I wonder, yeah, I don't know, maybe. 358 00:33:06.410 --> 00:33:12.749 Robert Kelly: But yeah, so we'll see moving forward. We got the Panthers this week, I think we'd take the Panthers down, for sure. Especially the way they've been playing. 359 00:33:12.750 --> 00:33:13.210 David Clarke: We're a tr. 360 00:33:13.210 --> 00:33:14.030 Robert Kelly: But… 361 00:33:14.820 --> 00:33:36.530 Robert Kelly: Yeah, and then the Commanders are next week, so it is a trap game, for sure. But I think… I think moving forward, we'll see. I think… I think a path to nine wins is possible with this offense. It's just really how bad is the defense really gonna get, and can the offense keep up with it? That's what the season's coming down to, 100%. And… and if Dak stays healthy. That's… that's the Cowboys season in a nutshell. 362 00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:45.760 David Clarke: Alright, I think that's pretty… I mean, that's a pretty sober reflection on the Cowboys season. Mike, we had them at 7 wins on the prediction show. Are you worried? 363 00:33:45.760 --> 00:33:46.380 Mike Marcangelo: Yep. 364 00:33:46.580 --> 00:33:47.340 Mike Marcangelo: No. 365 00:33:47.660 --> 00:33:48.470 David Clarke: Okay. 366 00:33:49.110 --> 00:33:53.280 David Clarke: No, I still think 8. At this point, I would say 8 would be, like. 367 00:33:53.280 --> 00:33:58.310 Mike Marcangelo: I just never thought… I never thought 9, so I figured, why not… why not just hedge, you know? 368 00:33:58.310 --> 00:34:01.000 David Clarke: That is what we're up against now, though. 369 00:34:01.050 --> 00:34:04.689 Robert Kelly: 8 seems fair. If we got 8 wins, I wouldn't be surprised. 370 00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:05.400 David Clarke: Let's do… 371 00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:05.849 Mike Marcangelo: should be happy. 372 00:34:05.850 --> 00:34:07.530 David Clarke: I mean, everybody else got the treatment, so I really. 373 00:34:07.530 --> 00:34:15.479 Robert Kelly: I can't be happy with 8, but I wouldn't… I wouldn't be… I wouldn't be, like, depressed about it, you know what I mean? 8's not bad with this team. 374 00:34:15.489 --> 00:34:16.659 David Clarke: Let's find anywhere. 375 00:34:16.659 --> 00:34:17.089 Robert Kelly: Terrible. 376 00:34:17.090 --> 00:34:19.400 David Clarke: Let's find 8 wins. How many wins do they have right now? 377 00:34:19.409 --> 00:34:20.029 Mike Marcangelo: 2. 378 00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:21.820 David Clarke: Two wins. We gotta find… 379 00:34:21.820 --> 00:34:22.170 Robert Kelly: 2 water. 380 00:34:22.179 --> 00:34:22.979 David Clarke: wins. 381 00:34:23.199 --> 00:34:26.809 David Clarke: Panthers, there's one, three. Commanders, can't do it. 382 00:34:27.519 --> 00:34:28.709 David Clarke: Broncos. 383 00:34:29.219 --> 00:34:30.009 David Clarke: Can't do it. 384 00:34:30.010 --> 00:34:30.610 Mike Marcangelo: Nope. 385 00:34:30.830 --> 00:34:31.400 Robert Kelly: Nope. 386 00:34:31.690 --> 00:34:33.710 David Clarke: Cardinals. Can't do it. 387 00:34:33.949 --> 00:34:38.689 David Clarke: No, you could beat the Cardinals. You could beat the Cardinals. No, the Cardinals look fucking so bad. No, the Cardinals look good. 388 00:34:38.699 --> 00:34:41.749 Robert Kelly: Yeah, that was the worst loss we'll talk about. 389 00:34:41.750 --> 00:34:52.579 David Clarke: We should actually shoot on them for a little bit, now that I think about it, because, like, I had the Cardinals in my head as, like, a better team this season than they clearly are, but goddamn, like, that was atrocious. Like, they should be… they should all be given a. 390 00:34:52.580 --> 00:34:54.119 Robert Kelly: That was… that was a bad loss. 391 00:34:54.120 --> 00:35:12.799 David Clarke: I'm honestly… that guy should have been on suicide watch all weekend, I'm not even being hyperbolic about that. I feel like if you make your team collapse that hard, I feel like the team should make you, like, stay with a friend. Like, genuinely, like, you should have to stay with a friend all weekend. You can't go home and be alone. That's really bad. Okay, so that's 2 wins, right? So now you're at 4. 392 00:35:13.530 --> 00:35:16.859 David Clarke: Raiders, I'll give you the Raiders, 5. Eagles? Nope. 393 00:35:16.860 --> 00:35:17.180 Mike Marcangelo: No. 394 00:35:17.180 --> 00:35:19.889 David Clarke: Nope. Lions? Nope. Vikings? 395 00:35:20.170 --> 00:35:20.800 Mike Marcangelo: Nope. 396 00:35:21.380 --> 00:35:22.310 David Clarke: Probably not. 397 00:35:22.720 --> 00:35:24.450 David Clarke: Chargers, probably not. 398 00:35:24.780 --> 00:35:33.060 David Clarke: Commanders again, probably not. Giants, yeah, that's 6 wins. Yeah, that's tough. That's… you're gonna have to win 2 games you're not supposed to win. 399 00:35:33.720 --> 00:35:35.450 Mike Marcangelo: I think they'll split with the commanders. 400 00:35:37.750 --> 00:35:45.129 David Clarke: Okay, we'll give them the split with the Commanders, and what about… what about the Eagles game? Because they do always play… they do always show up against the Eagles, though. They do, don't they? 401 00:35:45.130 --> 00:35:47.720 Robert Kelly: They're beaten the Eagles, though. Yeah, they're not gonna beat the Eagles, though. 402 00:35:47.720 --> 00:35:50.739 David Clarke: But they… but because of the rivalry, like, it is a great equalizer. 403 00:35:50.740 --> 00:35:52.279 Mike Marcangelo: It'll be close, for sure. 404 00:35:52.780 --> 00:35:59.899 David Clarke: I wish it was in prime time. I really, honestly, like, I know the Cowboys aren't as good as they have been, but I really still want to see Cowboys Eagles at, like… 405 00:36:00.190 --> 00:36:01.700 David Clarke: In a night game. 406 00:36:02.040 --> 00:36:03.740 Robert Kelly: What is it, 4 o'clock? 407 00:36:03.740 --> 00:36:12.390 David Clarke: The afternoon game, yeah. The late, I guess. Well, I call it the afternoon game, because that game starts at 1.25. My other games start at 10 a.m. out here in sunny California. It's great. 408 00:36:12.500 --> 00:36:16.739 David Clarke: You're really in bed, tucked up all nice, really, really early in the day. 409 00:36:16.910 --> 00:36:23.279 David Clarke: Cause I know fucking Captain Child over here isn't fucking staying up for the… for the primetime night game. 410 00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:23.730 Mike Marcangelo: No. 411 00:36:23.730 --> 00:36:25.440 David Clarke: No, I said. 412 00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:27.890 Mike Marcangelo: Well, I did this past week, but usually it's halftime and I'm out. 413 00:36:27.890 --> 00:36:34.740 David Clarke: Yeah, if it's the pads, I get it, but, but you're probably struggling the next day. Don't you wake up at, like, 4 in the morning? 414 00:36:35.010 --> 00:36:36.700 David Clarke: Alright, cool. 415 00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:40.359 David Clarke: We're here. We're moving on. We're talking about the cross-offs. 416 00:36:40.620 --> 00:36:54.350 David Clarke: Mike, last week we crossed off the Jets and we crossed off the Titans, and the Titans did us that lovely favor of winning their game. But I'm still not really that, nervous about it. For those of you that don't know, if we cross them off, it means we think there's no chance of them making the playoffs. We've never been wrong about a cross-off team. 417 00:36:54.420 --> 00:37:07.249 David Clarke: But there have been a few squeaky butt moments of being scared to, that we might have to uncross a team off, which is, you know, one of the most despicable and embarrassing things a sports fan could have to do in a situation like this. 418 00:37:07.250 --> 00:37:29.610 David Clarke: I'd love, since you're here, Mike, I'd love to execute a team, I'd love to do it, just because you're here as a special guest, I'm gonna give you the options, the possible cross-off lists, some are more realistic than others, the ones we might actually cross off here, but but I'll read you down the whole list. It's the Giants, it's the Saints, the Dolphins, the Raiders, the Browns, the Ravens are on this list, they are 1-4, there's nothing I can do about that. I didn't lose those games for you guys, I'm so sorry. 419 00:37:29.610 --> 00:37:33.549 David Clarke: The Cardinals, the Texans, the Falcons, and the Panthers. 420 00:37:34.140 --> 00:37:41.150 David Clarke: I'd be happy to put a bullet in the head of the New York football giants, just for you, if you like. 421 00:37:41.590 --> 00:37:42.560 David Clarke: You know. 422 00:37:42.560 --> 00:37:44.840 Mike Marcangelo: So we can only do one? 423 00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:45.399 David Clarke: Yeah, we could… 424 00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:46.300 Mike Marcangelo: We should… 425 00:37:47.770 --> 00:37:50.869 David Clarke: I… the thing is, is I don't know… 426 00:37:51.340 --> 00:38:06.969 David Clarke: I… I… we could do two. I could make… there's one other team that we could make a real strong case for here. I think the Giants could go. I think there's another team who even more should deserve to go. Bobby, who's jumping out to you if we're gonna kill someone here? I wasn't thinking of the Saints. 427 00:38:07.650 --> 00:38:09.119 Robert Kelly: The… the Raiders? 428 00:38:09.790 --> 00:38:11.349 David Clarke: I wasn't thinking of them either, I was thinking of. 429 00:38:11.350 --> 00:38:13.119 Robert Kelly: The Raiders look really bad. 430 00:38:14.300 --> 00:38:15.759 David Clarke: The Raiders look terrible. 431 00:38:16.010 --> 00:38:18.210 Robert Kelly: The Raiders look really bad. Geno Smith… 432 00:38:18.210 --> 00:38:20.660 David Clarke: No, just to amend… Just to amend that. 433 00:38:20.660 --> 00:38:21.200 Robert Kelly: garbage. 434 00:38:21.200 --> 00:38:31.550 David Clarke: They… honestly, their running game, though, isn't terrible. Genti's coming into his own. They do have a good coach, like, he might be able to, like, get things back on the rails. I wouldn't want to cross them out. 435 00:38:31.560 --> 00:38:41.510 David Clarke: just right now, I don't think they're gonna make the playoffs, but, like, just cross-offs are a big deal, you know? Like, we're ending this team's season after 5 games, like, we don't want to be huge dicks, unless you're the Jets. 436 00:38:41.540 --> 00:38:47.070 David Clarke: So, I just think the Raiders just have a more likely upside than, like, your Giants or your Browns. 437 00:38:47.340 --> 00:38:53.040 David Clarke: with everything going on with the Browns that we talked about at the top of the show, like, it's hard to argue with. 438 00:38:53.040 --> 00:38:56.439 Mike Marcangelo: but the Raiders division, everyone in that division should be pretty good. 439 00:38:56.930 --> 00:38:57.930 David Clarke: Yeah. 440 00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:01.180 David Clarke: Gosh. 441 00:39:01.180 --> 00:39:02.050 Mike Marcangelo: the Giants? 442 00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:07.919 Mike Marcangelo: I would almost say, if you don't want to do the Giants, the Saints and the Dodgers. 443 00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:11.799 David Clarke: I kinda do wanna do the Giants. I kinda do wanna do the Giants. I wanna do… 444 00:39:11.800 --> 00:39:13.960 Robert Kelly: The Giants still had the neighbors. 445 00:39:14.080 --> 00:39:20.179 Robert Kelly: If the Giants still had the Dart Neighbors connection going, I'd be more apt to leave them on, just because of potential, like… 446 00:39:20.180 --> 00:39:20.620 David Clarke: It's over. 447 00:39:20.620 --> 00:39:26.819 Robert Kelly: out, but that's over, right? That's gone. So… and Dark didn't look great in his second start. He had a. 448 00:39:26.820 --> 00:39:38.399 David Clarke: But you're right, though, he has looked decent at times, though, so it's hard to get rid of them. I think if you really do look at the quarterback play, like, the Raiders have to replace Geno, and then it's, like, probably all downhill from there, in a bad way, because I think people. 449 00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:44.799 Robert Kelly: Now, Rattler, Rattler's number 32, and the quarterback power ranking, Spencer Rattler's definitely number 32, in my opinion. 450 00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:57.429 David Clarke: We'll do the Saints. We can agree on the Saints. Let's cross the Saints off. Do we feel… does anyone feel very strongly about any other team? Because it seems like there's arguments to be made for everyone else. So we could just do the Saints if you guys want. 451 00:39:57.980 --> 00:39:59.040 David Clarke: I'd be happy. 452 00:39:59.040 --> 00:40:00.159 Mike Marcangelo: I would love to… I would love… 453 00:40:00.160 --> 00:40:03.820 Robert Kelly: I can't believe the Ravens are here… I can't believe the Ravens are here at 1-4, that's just wild to me. 454 00:40:04.250 --> 00:40:08.739 David Clarke: Yeah, but it's not my fault they're here, right? I'm not just… I'm not being petty, they're 1 and 4. 455 00:40:08.740 --> 00:40:15.469 Robert Kelly: Wild, wild fun fact for you, when I was looking at the division odds, the Ravens are still favored to win the AFC North. 456 00:40:15.470 --> 00:40:18.400 David Clarke: Well, we're not crossing them off, that's for sure. 457 00:40:18.400 --> 00:40:20.850 Robert Kelly: But they're still favored to win the goddamn North. 458 00:40:20.850 --> 00:40:25.749 David Clarke: That seems unrealistic at this point, to be honest with you. I… 459 00:40:26.420 --> 00:40:41.000 David Clarke: I would… I would probably bet on the Steelers. The smart money would be probably the Steelers right now, just because of… I don't know if they're a viable playoff team, but, like, they always win their… thereabouts, the amount of games it seems like it's gonna take to win that division. That's just… you know, it's not any more complicated than that. 460 00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:44.709 Robert Kelly: You get plus… Plus money on the Steelers right now, the winning division. 461 00:40:44.710 --> 00:40:50.960 David Clarke: I would probably take that too, package that shit with the Patriots, fucking go to town, baby. That's like a devil's pact of a parlay. 462 00:40:50.960 --> 00:40:52.069 Robert Kelly: Yeah, it's Parley. 463 00:40:53.860 --> 00:41:02.179 David Clarke: Oh, yeah, put the devil in the sauce, baby. Alright, fuck it, sounds like we're in agreement on the Saints, but everybody else, whatever. Saints officially crossed off. 464 00:41:02.180 --> 00:41:03.449 Mike Marcangelo: Well, hold on. 465 00:41:03.450 --> 00:41:09.009 Robert Kelly: The Cardinals' loss is the most cross-offable loss in the history of law. 466 00:41:09.010 --> 00:41:11.079 David Clarke: Yeah, but we can't be reactionary. 467 00:41:11.080 --> 00:41:25.509 Robert Kelly: We can't do it, but that was one of the… that was literally the worst loss I've ever seen. There's so many bad things that happened to end that game, and then the coach starts beating the shit out of the running back after he fumbles it, which was hilarious. 468 00:41:25.900 --> 00:41:28.300 Robert Kelly: Yeah, that was bad. But who… 469 00:41:28.300 --> 00:41:32.279 Mike Marcangelo: crossing off the dolphins. Like, we think that they're gonna do anything. 470 00:41:33.130 --> 00:41:37.820 David Clarke: I mean, I just feel kind of bad, because that Tyreek Hill injury was pretty gross. I just feel like you should give him a. 471 00:41:37.820 --> 00:41:47.510 Mike Marcangelo: week, you know? Fuck him. Their quarterback is not doing well, their coach is not doing well, and they only have one win because they played the Jets. 472 00:41:47.510 --> 00:41:50.910 Robert Kelly: They did just blow, what, a 14-point lead to the Panthers. 473 00:41:51.570 --> 00:41:52.080 Mike Marcangelo: Correct. 474 00:41:52.080 --> 00:41:54.799 David Clarke: They do play the Saints, they play the Bengals… 475 00:41:56.060 --> 00:41:56.550 Mike Marcangelo: Don't lose the. 476 00:41:56.550 --> 00:41:57.500 David Clarke: Play the Ravens. 477 00:41:57.500 --> 00:41:59.020 Mike Marcangelo: So, Flacco will beat them. 478 00:41:59.020 --> 00:42:05.569 David Clarke: They play the Ravens, and the Lamar will be out range, it looks like. So, there's a chance they play the Browns. 479 00:42:05.570 --> 00:42:05.910 Mike Marcangelo: I just lost. 480 00:42:05.910 --> 00:42:06.340 David Clarke: Play the foul. 481 00:42:06.340 --> 00:42:09.400 Mike Marcangelo: The Carolina Panthers with the 14-point lead in the fourth quarter. 482 00:42:10.160 --> 00:42:11.260 David Clarke: It's not great. 483 00:42:11.660 --> 00:42:12.829 Mike Marcangelo: It's not great. 484 00:42:13.090 --> 00:42:13.940 David Clarke: I'm gonna wait. 485 00:42:13.940 --> 00:42:16.699 Robert Kelly: I still can't believe McDonald's doesn't… is a fire, dude. 486 00:42:18.190 --> 00:42:21.030 David Clarke: He's not even the worst coach. Fuckin' Zach Taylor is. 487 00:42:21.430 --> 00:42:26.770 David Clarke: My guy sucks. Alright, fine. We're not crossing off the dolphins, sorry. Not doing it yet. 488 00:42:26.770 --> 00:42:27.400 Mike Marcangelo: Great. 489 00:42:27.880 --> 00:42:28.560 David Clarke: Oh, yeah. 490 00:42:29.150 --> 00:42:32.260 David Clarke: It's just… it's just… it's… I… we did one. 491 00:42:32.390 --> 00:42:42.659 David Clarke: You're welcome. Honorable mentions, the 49ers, 4-1, didn't make the… didn't make the power rankings this week. Just goes to show record isn't everything. Bob, they're just not convincing you? 492 00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:43.760 David Clarke: They're. 493 00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:44.430 Robert Kelly: Yeah, no. 494 00:42:44.430 --> 00:42:58.880 David Clarke: They're not… I mean, they're playing pretty good with a guy I think I made one of my better jokes about on this podcast when I told Mike he's gonna look great in a hat with a clipboard in his hand. And that guy's got a helmet on, and he's out there just showing me up. So, I mean, I… they look pretty good. 495 00:42:59.050 --> 00:43:00.980 David Clarke: Like, I don't have a ton of faith. 496 00:43:01.510 --> 00:43:16.199 David Clarke: I shouldn't say that, I should rephrase that. I know that Shanahan's a good coach, I just don't think he's as good as people have said that he is, like, this whole, like, it's the system, look who he can make good, I get it. I just think the system being… 497 00:43:16.310 --> 00:43:32.470 David Clarke: friendly to, sort of, that type of quarterback doesn't necessarily mean it's a… it's a tried and true, like, working system, because part of the system is also go and get the guys, who are most likely to be injured on your team. So… I don't know. I mean, it's… the thing is, the 49ers are always… 498 00:43:32.710 --> 00:43:43.240 David Clarke: one injury report away from a collapse. So, I get why they're not in the top 10. Mike, you might find it more egregious at 4-1. Is it that, Bob, or is it something else? 499 00:43:44.290 --> 00:43:53.539 Robert Kelly: I… so, I just want to see a little bit more out of the defense, to be honest. I think, the past few weeks, they have kind of gotten shown up on defense, but the fact that they're 4-1. 500 00:43:53.540 --> 00:43:57.339 David Clarke: I thought I wanted to… He liked Paco's old self last week, to be honest with you, but… 501 00:43:58.270 --> 00:44:09.229 Robert Kelly: But the fact that they're doing this without even the fully healthy roster, Kittle's out and Purdy's out is so impressive, man. Taking down the Rams on a short week with half a roster was very impressive. 502 00:44:09.230 --> 00:44:13.870 Mike Marcangelo: Ayuk and Purcell, I mean, it's literally Mac Jones and Kendrick Bourne. 503 00:44:13.870 --> 00:44:16.090 David Clarke: But, like, this is the roster that they built. 504 00:44:16.500 --> 00:44:20.639 David Clarke: You know, like, we knew it at the time, when they were building this roster, it's like, you guys are gonna have a lot of injury problems. 505 00:44:21.580 --> 00:44:27.100 David Clarke: And they do. So, like, now they're getting credit for, like, building a team full of fucking brittle glass… 506 00:44:27.100 --> 00:44:29.999 Mike Marcangelo: But for winning, when all those people go down. 507 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:31.270 Robert Kelly: And then still winning. 508 00:44:31.270 --> 00:44:34.909 David Clarke: No, that's credit, credit to them, I agree, but it's also, like… 509 00:44:35.100 --> 00:44:40.420 David Clarke: I mean, they can still… you know what I mean? It's like, they need all those guys back if they're gonna do anything. 510 00:44:40.550 --> 00:44:47.580 David Clarke: And I don't know how consistently that injury report's gonna be empty this season, and in the playoffs, which it looks like they're gonna make, which is good for them. 511 00:44:48.650 --> 00:44:50.310 David Clarke: But I get why they're not in there. 512 00:44:50.440 --> 00:45:01.469 David Clarke: I would want to see a little bit more, too, I understand it. Commanders, you guys seem like they… you think they're fucking unbeatable, so, what's the… what's the story? They didn't make the time. 513 00:45:01.470 --> 00:45:02.979 Mike Marcangelo: Well, for the Bears, they're unbeatable. 514 00:45:02.980 --> 00:45:05.809 David Clarke: Oh, right, right. Right. But the Cowboys… Be honest. 515 00:45:05.810 --> 00:45:06.340 Robert Kelly: to… 516 00:45:06.700 --> 00:45:13.170 Robert Kelly: To be honest, they probably should have been in here. That was… that was a very impressive win against the Chargers. They… they dominated. 517 00:45:13.270 --> 00:45:26.990 Robert Kelly: a team that we all thought was a top-five team in the NFL. So they probably should be here over a couple teams at the end here that had L's. But we'll see. I mean, Daniels just got healthy. I think a win against the Bears will definitely bring him into that top 10, for sure. 518 00:45:26.990 --> 00:45:42.109 David Clarke: Oh, but it counts if you beat the… I'm starting to understand the logic here, got it. It's starting to all come together. Seahawks, I mean, I think that there was an argument to have them in in past weeks, but, you know, for obvious reasons, I think they drop out. I… I'm not sold on them. I think, 519 00:45:42.570 --> 00:46:01.870 David Clarke: I do really think that Smith and Jigba is, like, awesome. Like, I think he's probably better than people think. I think he is a wide receiver one. A lot of people were saying he wasn't. But just that… that team holistically, as it's currently constituted, and I feel like they've been like this for a few years. I think the coaching's really good. I think it's maybe top 5 in the NFL, the head coach and his staff. 520 00:46:01.900 --> 00:46:02.640 David Clarke: But… 521 00:46:03.140 --> 00:46:20.849 David Clarke: there's always just something missing, you know? It's like when you eat a really good meal, and you're like, just needed… and you just can't quite put your finger on what that is. What do you think… you're nodding along, like, you kind of agree with me about the Seahawks, like, they're very vanilla. I don't know what it is about them that I can't quite get excited about them, especially now they don't have DK Metcalf anymore, you know? I don't know. 522 00:46:20.850 --> 00:46:37.390 Robert Kelly: Darnold turned in, he always comes… the Cinderella… he… the Cinderella turns… or the carriage turns back into a pumpkin at the perfect time, where it's like, in the clutch moment, he throws that terrible interception. Last year, when the time came. 523 00:46:37.520 --> 00:46:40.600 Robert Kelly: he… he didn't show up. It's like, it just… that's… 524 00:46:40.600 --> 00:46:59.889 David Clarke: And it was a big mirror playing the Bucks, right? Like, it was a big mirror, where it was like, they're battling, they're battling, and it's like, Baker's gonna win this. Like, Baker's gonna win this battle, like, in this… I guess you'd call it a shootout, right? Because this is kind of the OK Corral version of every single fucking Buccaneers game, win or lose, which you gotta love, we'll talk about them later. But to put a mirror up. 525 00:47:00.040 --> 00:47:06.189 David Clarke: from Darnold to Baker, Baker's like, I'm going to the end, bro. I don't know what you're doing, but I'm going to the fucking end, so, like, let's. 526 00:47:06.190 --> 00:47:23.459 Robert Kelly: It was just… it was so predictable. It reminded me a lot of that Broncos, Broncos-Cowboys game back in the day, where Romo had this amazing game, but you knew at the end of that game he was throwing a pick to blow that shit. Because I knew, bro, I knew Darnold was throwing an interception on that last drive. 527 00:47:23.460 --> 00:47:33.669 David Clarke: Cowboys, what about the shootout between Dak and Mahomes a few years ago to kick the season off? And you're like, he's fucking dueling with Mahomes, he's dueling with Mahomes, but you knew. You knew what was gonna happen at the end. 528 00:47:33.670 --> 00:47:35.370 Robert Kelly: The other shoe's droppin', bro. 529 00:47:35.370 --> 00:47:51.250 David Clarke: So it's like, yeah, I agree with you wholeheartedly. I think that's the exact way I feel about the Seahawks. It's the way I felt about Darnold all last season. It's the way I… and it turned out to be true. That was, like, one of the more satisfying moments, to be honest, of… like, not to be a hater, but I am. 530 00:47:51.250 --> 00:48:08.079 David Clarke: I knew that was true about Darnold, and he was on the Vikings, so I was like, don't worry about it, the Vikings and Darnold are a match made in heaven, like, they're just gonna shit the bed in the fucking playoffs, wait, watch. So, you know, I don't, I don't begrudge him his wins, I don't begrudge him their losses, I just kinda don't really think about the Seahawks that much. I can't help it. 531 00:48:08.270 --> 00:48:13.119 David Clarke: Who else are on the honorable mentions list? We talked about the Pats, 532 00:48:13.630 --> 00:48:23.719 David Clarke: Anyone… anyone? Anything hot in the Broncos? I don't know if I've been, like, watching them closely enough. I… I… I feel like… is… I don't know, is Bo Nix good? Someone explain the Broncos to me. 533 00:48:24.310 --> 00:48:26.320 Mike Marcangelo: Bobby loves Bo Nix, I'll let him take this. 534 00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:29.129 David Clarke: And he, like, didn't look good, right? Like, he didn't really look good. 535 00:48:29.130 --> 00:48:34.319 Robert Kelly: Yeah, he hasn't… he hasn't impressed me so far this year, but… beating the Eagles. 536 00:48:34.540 --> 00:48:51.659 Robert Kelly: in Philly is a big accomplishment. Like, that… that takes… that takes some real cojones, to go to Philly and take down the champs. So, I feel like they righted the ship after last week. It's definitely the signature win that they were looking for to get everything going. 537 00:48:51.660 --> 00:48:55.610 David Clarke: rebut that slightly, like… was that not the Eagles losing that game? 538 00:48:55.670 --> 00:49:14.249 David Clarke: Like, did that not have the Eagles are losing this… like, they went insane in the fourth quarter, like, they went… they completely lost the ability to play football in the fourth quarter. I was saying, angrily at the TV, you'll never convince me Sirianni is a good head coach. Like, this is… that had fucking… I'm gonna fuck this up, I'm Nick Sirianni written all fucking over it. Jalen Hurts is like… 539 00:49:14.250 --> 00:49:33.019 David Clarke: just playing completely out of himself, like, the offense doesn't look good at all, they're arguing on the sidelines, the offensive line doesn't, like, look to that same elite… you know what, I'm sure they're gonna figure it out. I'm sure they're gonna figure it out, but to me, that was, like, the Eagles handed them 18 points in the fourth quarter and put up zero. I mean, Jesus. Like, that… to me, that's a team losing. 540 00:49:33.020 --> 00:49:36.430 David Clarke: Right? Like, just sna- like, they only won 21-17. 541 00:49:36.450 --> 00:49:47.190 David Clarke: You know what I mean? Like, what did they do? What happened? It was a historic meltdown! Like, they should be getting more shit than the Broncos should be getting credit, I guess, is what I'm saying. Would you agree with that, Mike? 542 00:49:48.110 --> 00:50:02.309 Mike Marcangelo: Yeah, but I mean, as… I've been a fan… you know, I've been a fan of a team that has been gifted 18 points before and still loses the game. So at some point in time, you have to get… I don't even like Bronco style football. I don't like Bo Nix. Oh, God. 543 00:50:02.310 --> 00:50:02.770 David Clarke: It's… 544 00:50:02.770 --> 00:50:05.770 Mike Marcangelo: I don't love Sean Payton. Actually, I hate Sean Payton. 545 00:50:05.770 --> 00:50:06.239 David Clarke: Yeah, I hate you. 546 00:50:06.240 --> 00:50:11.110 Mike Marcangelo: So, But I think if you go in there, and you beat the champs at their own house. 547 00:50:11.410 --> 00:50:15.149 Mike Marcangelo: It's gonna count for something, even if they're trying to give you the game. I mean… 548 00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:16.709 Mike Marcangelo: You still have to take… 549 00:50:16.710 --> 00:50:25.280 David Clarke: It counts for something. It does count for something, of course. It's, like, completely fair. They're 3-2, they earned their 3-2, but they scored 3 points. 550 00:50:25.560 --> 00:50:38.159 Robert Kelly: In the first quarter, then they scored 0 points in the second quarter, then they scored 3… 0 points in the third quarter, and then they scored 18 fucking points in the fourth quarter? What changed? Was it the Broncos, or did the Eagles maybe just call it a day? 551 00:50:38.160 --> 00:50:39.319 David Clarke: And, and then pay. 552 00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:39.940 Mike Marcangelo: Yeah. 553 00:50:40.340 --> 00:50:42.689 Mike Marcangelo: And not for nothing, this was their only… 554 00:50:42.690 --> 00:50:46.600 David Clarke: like, I would say impressive win of the season so far. Their other wins are against… 555 00:50:46.820 --> 00:50:48.540 Robert Kelly: It's the only good one, for sure. 556 00:50:48.540 --> 00:50:52.920 David Clarke: It's a good win, it's a good win because of the opponent, but I think if you really look at the game, like… 557 00:50:52.920 --> 00:51:11.939 David Clarke: the Eagles went berserk. Like, if the Eagles don't just, like, pull out a gun and shoot themselves in the nuts, like, I don't… you know, I think that they just go… everyone goes home, like, expecting what we were all expecting for three-quarters of football, right? So it's not like they looked impressive for the whole game, either. Like, they had a good fourth quarter, and I think the Eagles let them. So, fair enough. I mean, that's all that that is to say. 558 00:51:12.430 --> 00:51:21.969 David Clarke: fair that they're on the honorable mentions, but they're not in the top 10. Fair. Vikings, fair that they're in the honorable mentions, but not in the top 10. I mean… go ahead, Bob. 559 00:51:22.570 --> 00:51:24.490 Robert Kelly: No, no, I just admit, they're, they're… 560 00:51:24.490 --> 00:51:28.049 David Clarke: Oh, I thought you were raising your hand and going, me. I was like, go ahead. 561 00:51:28.300 --> 00:51:29.310 Robert Kelly: Hold on here first. 562 00:51:29.310 --> 00:51:29.699 David Clarke: Front of the club. 563 00:51:29.700 --> 00:51:34.400 Robert Kelly: They're very… they're very average. They're as average as it gets, the Minnesota Vikings. 564 00:51:34.670 --> 00:51:39.199 David Clarke: Yeah, and like, don't forget they, like, got blown out by the Falcons in the first game of the season, so… 565 00:51:39.640 --> 00:51:41.140 David Clarke: They've won some games. 566 00:51:41.260 --> 00:51:47.109 David Clarke: it's fine, you know, it is what it is. It remains to be seen. If they… 567 00:51:47.250 --> 00:51:52.150 David Clarke: If they put together a great regular season, you know what I'm gonna do? Not change my opinion on them at all. 568 00:51:52.210 --> 00:52:06.850 David Clarke: Because that's what they always fucking do, and… it remains to be seen. Do something in the playoffs if you really want us to talk about you. Who else is next? The Chiefs, I mean, they're 2-3. They can't be in the top 10 if they're 2-3. I thought Mahomes in that game looked… 569 00:52:06.900 --> 00:52:21.690 David Clarke: like Pat Mahomes. Like, I thought he looked like a guy that plays that level of football consistently and can, like, win you the game. I thought their defense looked fucking disinterested, and I thought that their defense is a big part of why they've been as dominant as they've been. 570 00:52:21.690 --> 00:52:22.090 Mike Marcangelo: Yep. 571 00:52:22.090 --> 00:52:30.140 David Clarke: I think Mahomes can still probably win you 9 games, 10 games, without an elite defense on the other side, but can he do that thing he always does, where… 572 00:52:30.260 --> 00:52:46.179 David Clarke: if they're in a tough spot, the defense can get them back in. I don't know if it's they're demoralized from that shellacking they got in the Super Bowl, Super Bowl hangovers are real, but I wouldn't blame Mahomes. I would still never bet against the guy. I would still, in every single game, no matter how bad they look, no matter how many games they lose. 573 00:52:46.240 --> 00:53:01.109 David Clarke: he can beat you on any given Sunday, so I don't… you know, I don't care to try to be a hipster about Pat Mahomes, because watching him on Monday Night Football this week, it was like, well, he's still really, really fucking good. So, I, you know, I don't… 574 00:53:01.310 --> 00:53:10.030 David Clarke: I don't know. Must be something else. Yeah, it is. It's the defense. The defense just looks really, really disinterested. I think you can score on them. So, unless. 575 00:53:10.030 --> 00:53:10.550 Mike Marcangelo: Also… 576 00:53:10.550 --> 00:53:11.790 David Clarke: Enough points, then. 577 00:53:12.070 --> 00:53:15.750 Mike Marcangelo: he's been the leading rusher on the team for 4 out of the 5 games, and I can't… 578 00:53:15.750 --> 00:53:16.899 David Clarke: Yeah, depressing. 579 00:53:16.900 --> 00:53:18.160 Mike Marcangelo: That cannot happen. 580 00:53:19.270 --> 00:53:34.829 David Clarke: I kind of like Pacheco as a… as a running back, but… I don't know, something about, like, the way he runs, he can't… him and… it's, like, worked because of Mahomes, I think, right? Because, like, you can kind of have him and, and what's the other guy's name? They always bring him off free agency, and he's like. 581 00:53:34.830 --> 00:53:35.300 Mike Marcangelo: cream hunt. 582 00:53:35.300 --> 00:53:37.480 Robert Kelly: Hunt. Kareem Hunt. Yeah, Hunt. 583 00:53:37.480 --> 00:53:54.489 David Clarke: Yeah, he was, like, great back in the day, but now he's old, and he, like, just plays for the Chiefs, because, like, he's part of the furniture around there, I guess. But, yeah, they can… they could do that when… when you have Pat Mahomes, you can make it work, but it's… it's… it's not advisable to have your, like, only real threat. 584 00:53:54.610 --> 00:54:02.740 David Clarke: on either side of the ball this season have the ball in his hands, like, 100% of the time, but I guess that's kind of what he always does, so I don't know. It's hard to argue with their offense. 585 00:54:02.740 --> 00:54:05.670 Mike Marcangelo: You know, I wouldn't get after their offense too hard. 586 00:54:05.970 --> 00:54:12.149 Mike Marcangelo: I would expect… I would expect their offense to get exponentially better, especially with Worthy and Rice coming back off a suspension now. 587 00:54:12.150 --> 00:54:13.580 David Clarke: Agreed, yeah. 588 00:54:14.390 --> 00:54:15.330 Robert Kelly: Let's see. 589 00:54:15.330 --> 00:54:29.780 David Clarke: That defense needs to lock in, though. Like, that… that, I was saying to Leah when we were watching the game, I was like, you know, Trevor Lawrence, we're gonna… we're gonna come on and talk about the Jags shortly, because we already talked about the next three teams on the honorable mentions list, the Bengals, the Bears, and the Cowboys. But, this is a good transition, because… 590 00:54:29.870 --> 00:54:39.229 David Clarke: I was saying to Leah the whole time, I'm like, you know, Trevor Lawrence has done nothing to make me think he's the guy in this game, even if he wins this game. And I think that's 100% true, culminated perfectly… 591 00:54:39.230 --> 00:54:44.600 Robert Kelly: in how he's allowed to score that touchdown. And even his answer to the question after… 592 00:54:44.650 --> 00:54:48.799 David Clarke: The… after the game, where he, like, falls down on his own. 593 00:54:49.160 --> 00:54:59.039 David Clarke: doesn't believe he can get back up, but is given so much time to get back up that he does somehow achieve getting back up. Then, in his own words, through the use of sheer terror. 594 00:54:59.570 --> 00:55:02.330 David Clarke: Runs in a completely on… 595 00:55:02.550 --> 00:55:12.029 David Clarke: like, populated by Chiefs touchdown, where Chris Jones is the best defensive tackle in the league, apparently, and was just walking. 596 00:55:12.060 --> 00:55:29.900 David Clarke: And, like, just looking at Trevor Lawrence and being like, that's fine, you can score. I think he can get over there. I think he can see Trevor Lawrence get up and get over there, I really do, and I… that, to me, is bad, bad tape, optics, you know? Like, we gotta really look at that, because you just gave him the game, dude. 597 00:55:31.230 --> 00:55:36.579 David Clarke: that didn't… it didn't… it didn't fill me with… with… I… to me, I saw a guy that was the guy. 598 00:55:36.880 --> 00:55:48.130 David Clarke: play a guy that's really not the guy, and the guy that's the guy lost. Then that shit just happens sometimes. That's… that's what it looked like, that's what that game looked like to me. I don't know about you guys. I… nothing that Trevor Lawrence did has made me think. I know they're 4-1. 599 00:55:48.250 --> 00:56:03.839 David Clarke: I'll tell you what, I thought a close personal friend of mine, Travis Hunter, looked fucking great. Breakout game for him on both sides of the ball. Really, really dynamic on offense, really, like, locked down on defense. I really enjoyed it. That's what I thought we were gonna get all year. Really happy to see that. 600 00:56:03.970 --> 00:56:13.679 David Clarke: I'm pretty happy to see the Jags win, like, they have a lot of likable players, I just… I've been out on Lawrence for a while, and I know you guys are too, so… I'm not gonna really get any dissent here. 601 00:56:14.300 --> 00:56:16.410 Mike Marcangelo: No, notice that I thought… 602 00:56:16.410 --> 00:56:17.139 Robert Kelly: Go ahead. 603 00:56:17.140 --> 00:56:35.429 Mike Marcangelo: I thought, just your point, though, that, Hunter played 40 plays on defense, 40 plays on offense, and he… and he was… he was on Kelsey for a good amount of time, too, and he… and he locked him down. I mean, Kelsey got, 4 passes, against Travis Hunter, and he was on him, I think, for 11 of his targets. 604 00:56:35.430 --> 00:56:40.269 David Clarke: Yeah, which is hard. It's still hard in 2025 to guard Travis Kelsey, so… 605 00:56:40.640 --> 00:56:43.679 David Clarke: What'd you guys think of that new Taylor Swift album? Do you like it? 606 00:56:45.590 --> 00:56:46.479 David Clarke: What's your favorite drink? 607 00:56:47.550 --> 00:56:52.279 David Clarke: Oh, are you misogynist? Did you not listen to it? Okay, the Rams. 608 00:56:52.980 --> 00:56:55.930 David Clarke: Anyone, anyone, anything more about the Jags, about the Chiefs? 609 00:56:55.990 --> 00:56:56.809 Mike Marcangelo: No, fuck the jet. 610 00:56:56.810 --> 00:56:57.520 Robert Kelly: cleansing it up. 611 00:56:57.880 --> 00:57:02.759 David Clarke: The Rams. Yeah, this might be their only stop on the top 10. They play the Seahawks this week, so we'll see. 612 00:57:03.710 --> 00:57:11.249 David Clarke: Fair, fair. They are 4-1, though. I mean, I get why they're there. I think you could make a case for the Commanders or the 49ers. Otherwise, I think the Jags belong here. 613 00:57:11.800 --> 00:57:25.680 David Clarke: The Rams and the Steelers and the Chargers, I'm gonna put in a tier, as we're wont to do here. I think that makes sense. I would say the Chargers and the Rams are more in a tier, in my mind, than the Steelers are in there, but that's just because the Steelers play a very, very different brand of football than them. 614 00:57:25.680 --> 00:57:33.720 David Clarke: But probably as effective. I mean, these three teams will probably be winning around the same amount of games. Are we… are we sort of on board with that? 615 00:57:33.720 --> 00:57:41.059 David Clarke: The Steelers had a bye week, so there wasn't really anything to do, but I'm still surprised you didn't use that to take them out of the power rankings like you have in the past. 616 00:57:42.020 --> 00:57:49.540 David Clarke: I mean, they're probably gonna do great this year, and it's the one year I can't really cheer for them, so that's just, like, the poetry of my life. 617 00:57:50.110 --> 00:57:56.019 David Clarke: The Rams, I don't know, what are you guys thinking about, like, the Rams and the Chargers, specifically? Like, I don't have… 618 00:57:56.510 --> 00:58:02.009 David Clarke: I don't have a lot of faith in the Chargers all of a sudden after that L, like, it didn't look good to me. 619 00:58:02.010 --> 00:58:17.690 Robert Kelly: Yeah, very, very disappointing losses out of both of them, which is why they both plummeted. The Rams losing to Mac Jones on a Thursday night is pretty bad. And I know it was a good game, and Mack did look good, but, like, it's still Mac Jones. 620 00:58:17.690 --> 00:58:18.230 David Clarke: I won that game. 621 00:58:18.230 --> 00:58:19.680 Robert Kelly: If you're, if you're a top 5… 622 00:58:19.680 --> 00:58:20.220 David Clarke: Sounds simple. 623 00:58:20.220 --> 00:58:23.550 Robert Kelly: But, yeah. You gotta, you gotta take down the court. 624 00:58:23.550 --> 00:58:25.920 David Clarke: But the only thing I'll say is, like, they didn't get their asses kicked. 625 00:58:26.600 --> 00:58:27.190 David Clarke: You know? 626 00:58:27.190 --> 00:58:34.539 Robert Kelly: The Chargers, the Chargers did get their ass kicked, which, which was very, very disappointing. Herbert looked like shit. 627 00:58:34.540 --> 00:58:35.110 David Clarke: did. 628 00:58:35.110 --> 00:58:36.419 Robert Kelly: He's, he's sold out. 629 00:58:37.050 --> 00:58:38.110 Robert Kelly: I had, I had, I had. 630 00:58:38.110 --> 00:58:38.540 David Clarke: 14. 631 00:58:38.540 --> 00:58:43.370 Robert Kelly: All I needed them was to get $2.50, man, and it wasn't even fucking close, so… 632 00:58:45.050 --> 00:58:46.260 David Clarke: Tough. He didn't look great. 633 00:58:46.390 --> 00:59:02.780 Mike Marcangelo: DK, I… you can… no, you can fact-check this, too. You and I had this discussion when it was Chargers-Jags in the playoff game, like, 3 years ago, and obviously, the Jags won that game, and I just said, Herbert's just not the guy. And you've always liked Herbert. He has all the talent. 634 00:59:02.890 --> 00:59:10.109 Mike Marcangelo: I just don't think he's a… he's a winner. And if you can't win with a… I do think Harbaugh's a good coach. Like, he should be able to get him 635 00:59:10.460 --> 00:59:15.430 Mike Marcangelo: to a championship game in the playoffs. And I just don't know if that's gonna happen. I really don't. 636 00:59:15.430 --> 00:59:30.849 David Clarke: Well, I mean, I think I might be a little premature. I mean, it's… it, like, I think the faith… my… the faith took a hit when they played that team, but one loss, like, styles make fights, right? And realistically, if you look at your assessment of the Broncos, right, they don't really play very good football. 637 00:59:31.090 --> 00:59:44.870 David Clarke: the Chiefs have a losing record right now, and you think the Raiders should be fired into the sun via some sort of sun cannon. So, the Chargers have every ability to win their division right now, if they go from strength to strength. Or, I guess weakness to strength, because they just got beat up on. 638 00:59:44.870 --> 01:00:03.069 David Clarke: It'll probably still be the Chiefs. I'm not saying it won't be. But this is an opportunity that the Chargers haven't had in years to win a division. They have a good coach, like you said. They have a quarterback that I think can win games of football, right? At the very minimum. I'm not… I don't know if you… if by your definition of the guy is, like, is he a guy to win a championship there? 639 01:00:03.270 --> 01:00:04.260 David Clarke: I mean… 640 01:00:04.580 --> 01:00:11.020 David Clarke: like you said, I think he's got all the talent in the world. It's about what's going on between his ears. I don't know. I think he's looked… 641 01:00:11.170 --> 01:00:18.420 David Clarke: to me, he's looked like he could be a top-five QB at times, but I think he's also looked like he's… he could lose his job. So… 642 01:00:18.420 --> 01:00:34.149 David Clarke: he… and he has at least the good grace to have bad games, and good games, and not, like, good quarters and bad quarters. Like, I think you can kind of know what you're gonna get out of Herbert pretty early on, even though, like, the first thing he did in this game is he threw, like, a… he led a pretty good drive and scored a touchdown, but then after that, he didn't do anything, right? So it was like, okay. 643 01:00:34.190 --> 01:00:59.150 David Clarke: like, now you see that offense is stuck in the mud. Once that offense is stuck in the mud, he doesn't seem to quite have developed the ability to, like, drag his offense out of the mud, like a Josh Allen does, right? Like, when things, like, start to… or, you know, like, as we were just discussing, a Pat Mahomes, or, shit, I've seen Drake May do it. You know what I mean? Like, there's a dynamism that I think he lacks in certain moments where he's… he can be a little bit of a frontrunner, like, you need to get him going downhill a little bit for him to really look his best. 644 01:00:59.920 --> 01:01:04.599 David Clarke: Is a guy with that quality gonna be the guy, by your definition? No. 645 01:01:04.600 --> 01:01:29.570 David Clarke: He isn't. You can't be like that and be the guy. You can't be like that, and unless you get incredibly lucky, a lot of times in a row, you can't be a guy like that and go in a Super Bowl. You have to face adversity, this is the NFL. I don't want to just spit out platitudes, but it's the truth. You're gonna face adversity, you're gonna have times where your offense isn't playing well, and you're gonna have to play them out, you're gonna have to… you as the quarterback, Justin Herbert, with the talent that you have, you're gonna have to play your team out of trouble a few times, and nobody's gonna be there to help. 646 01:01:29.570 --> 01:01:33.229 David Clarke: help you. So how are you gonna do that? Can you do it 647 01:01:33.230 --> 01:01:40.019 David Clarke: I haven't seen it yet. That being said, I'm not out on Herbert yet, like I'm out on Lawrence, because I've also just seen Lawrence be shit. 648 01:01:40.020 --> 01:01:58.739 David Clarke: You know what I mean? It's like, he… like, there's a difference between the nuanced conversation of, like, he had a bad game, he can't, he gets bad in these contexts, and I know you know what I'm talking about, and then you look at Trevor Lawrence, and you're like, that's just not the guy they sold him as! Like, that's just not the fucking guy, like, he just doesn't have the things that they said he had. Like, I don't… I don't see it, so… 649 01:01:58.740 --> 01:02:04.910 David Clarke: To me, I think there's… I understand why they're compared, I understand why we compare them constantly, and I understand the context around them. 650 01:02:05.390 --> 01:02:10.459 David Clarke: I still think Herbert's better than Lawrence, and I still think Herbert has a chance to be the guy. 651 01:02:10.990 --> 01:02:19.559 David Clarke: And I don't think that's possible in Jacksonville. Is that lucid? Is that a lucid take still at this point, or do you think I should just be on the bandwagon that you're on? 652 01:02:19.560 --> 01:02:25.080 Mike Marcangelo: I do think you have an irrational distaste for Trevor Lawrence, but I also have the same thing. 653 01:02:25.080 --> 01:02:26.430 David Clarke: For Herbert, too, though. 654 01:02:26.910 --> 01:02:29.060 Mike Marcangelo: I don't like either of them. 655 01:02:29.060 --> 01:02:34.660 David Clarke: I don't know how irrational our distaste for Lawrence is at this point. I thought he was supposed to be sick! 656 01:02:34.970 --> 01:02:51.789 Mike Marcangelo: Yeah, but in a game, on a team where he was, like, they're a heavy underdog, big underdog against the Chargers, they came back, and the Chargers were frontrunners in that game. They were up 18 points in the third quarter, and Herbert then threw, what, 2 or 3 interceptions in the playoff game. He's 0-2 in the playoffs, and… 657 01:02:51.790 --> 01:02:52.269 David Clarke: That's true. 658 01:02:52.270 --> 01:02:52.819 Mike Marcangelo: It feels to me. 659 01:02:52.820 --> 01:02:59.389 David Clarke: There's also the playoff quarterback factor, which, like, you have to become that guy, but you're not that guy till you're that guy, right? Like… 660 01:02:59.850 --> 01:03:00.500 Mike Marcangelo: Yeah. 661 01:03:00.840 --> 01:03:05.900 Mike Marcangelo: But, like, I would just say, like, it feels like he has to have the perfect situation, like, going on. 662 01:03:05.900 --> 01:03:07.210 David Clarke: I feel like that sometimes. 663 01:03:07.210 --> 01:03:07.760 Mike Marcangelo: And now… 664 01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:08.510 David Clarke: that feeling. 665 01:03:08.510 --> 01:03:10.240 Mike Marcangelo: And now, Joe Alts out. 666 01:03:10.470 --> 01:03:17.880 Mike Marcangelo: Hampton's out, Harris is out, they don't really… I mean, it's just literally Ladd McConkie and the shell of Keenan Allen on offense. 667 01:03:18.100 --> 01:03:29.180 Mike Marcangelo: And I don't… like, I don't know. I could see them… I could… the thing about Justin Herbert and the Chargers for me is that you could easily, at the beginning of every year, say they're gonna win 10 games, or they're probably gonna lose 9. 668 01:03:29.660 --> 01:03:31.329 Mike Marcangelo: And you just don't know what's gonna happen. 669 01:03:31.330 --> 01:03:39.280 David Clarke: I don't know, because I think in the Harbaugh era, we can see that they're a pretty consistently good team, like… like, I think if you judge them just from Harbaugh on, like… 670 01:03:39.640 --> 01:03:53.340 David Clarke: we… I think we can give them a little breathing room. I'll make a deal with you, like, I really think the Colts are fraudulent. Like, I'm really sure the Colts are fraudulent. They play the Colts in two weeks. They play the Dolphins, I think they'll beat the Dolphins, it's not gonna tell us much, right? Like, we all know that. 671 01:03:53.340 --> 01:04:03.400 David Clarke: when they play the Colts, if they beat up on the Colts, like, I think we need to have to… we need to revisit this conversation. I really do, because I think that's a perfect time for the Colts to start to fall apart in the kind of funny that I think they are. 672 01:04:03.580 --> 01:04:05.080 Mike Marcangelo: What if the Colts beat up on them? 673 01:04:05.080 --> 01:04:07.639 David Clarke: Well, then you should really come back on the show, because I'm gonna have to eat crow. 674 01:04:08.950 --> 01:04:09.939 Mike Marcangelo: Okay, love that. 675 01:04:10.230 --> 01:04:20.460 David Clarke: Because I'm gonna have to, at the very least… I doubt I'll give ground on the Colts being phonies, but I'll at least be like, yeah, you were right about the Chargers and Herbert. I'll probably be able to admit that. But… 676 01:04:20.940 --> 01:04:24.629 David Clarke: Come on, do you not agree with me about the fucking colds? They've got phony written all over them. 677 01:04:26.270 --> 01:04:29.140 David Clarke: They've got all the red flags. They've got all the red flags! 678 01:04:29.760 --> 01:04:30.469 Mike Marcangelo: They just have one. 679 01:04:30.470 --> 01:04:30.970 Robert Kelly: Yeah, stays. 680 01:04:30.970 --> 01:04:31.420 Mike Marcangelo: Jones. 681 01:04:31.420 --> 01:04:37.940 Robert Kelly: Is that the next tier? Is that the next tier? The fraudulent… the fraudulent top 5 teams? The possible frauds. Possible frauds. The possible frauds. 682 01:04:37.940 --> 01:04:40.859 David Clarke: No, because the sixth team is a fraud. 683 01:04:40.870 --> 01:04:45.629 Mike Marcangelo: the 6 team on this. Oh, boy. I… just… let's just… let's just… 684 01:04:47.030 --> 01:04:47.910 David Clarke: Okay. 685 01:04:48.060 --> 01:05:03.949 David Clarke: I've sent you this PDF. At the bottom, I put all the records of all the teams on the top 10 next to each other. Which one of these things is not like the others, Bob? Right? Because you got 4-1, 4-in-1, 4-in-1, 4-in-1, 4-in-1, 2-1-1. 686 01:05:03.950 --> 01:05:17.059 David Clarke: 3-2, 3-1, 3-2, 4-1. Which one of these things is, like, standing out to you as possibly fraudulent, or definitely fraudulent? How are the Packers still on this list? How did they go up two spots by having a bye week? 687 01:05:17.720 --> 01:05:19.650 David Clarke: After tying the Cowboys… 688 01:05:19.650 --> 01:05:23.340 Robert Kelly: Everyone… everyone around them lost. So, it just… it just. 689 01:05:23.340 --> 01:05:23.690 David Clarke: Not at all. 690 01:05:23.690 --> 01:05:25.540 Robert Kelly: By, by, by circumstance. 691 01:05:25.540 --> 01:05:27.880 David Clarke: 2-1-1, like, gross. 692 01:05:28.040 --> 01:05:29.040 David Clarke: Great, like, you… 693 01:05:29.040 --> 01:05:32.460 Mike Marcangelo: But they're… Their two wins do look good still. 694 01:05:33.940 --> 01:05:36.870 Mike Marcangelo: Lions and Commanders, like, those are… those are two teams to beat. 695 01:05:37.470 --> 01:05:40.050 Robert Kelly: And they dominated the Lions. Dominated them. 696 01:05:40.050 --> 01:05:42.369 David Clarke: It's a divisional game, so they always beat up on the Lions. 697 01:05:44.220 --> 01:05:48.109 David Clarke: They do. They do. The Lions have a mental thing about the Packers. It's a thing. 698 01:05:49.150 --> 01:05:57.949 David Clarke: They did. Those both look like good wins, and then there's been a hard skid since then, and that seems to have promoted them up the power rankings. And I just think that's breaking my brain a little bit. 699 01:05:58.260 --> 01:06:11.040 Mike Marcangelo: They had two really good wins, and then they had a hard skid, and that got them higher in the power rankings. That's fun. The commanders were on the top 10 last week, they won last week, and now they're off the top 10. So, like, weird shit does happen on these power rankings. 700 01:06:11.040 --> 01:06:16.410 Robert Kelly: No, I mean, it's fair, honestly. I just fucking hate the Packers. Here's the thing… The Commanders weren't on it… the Commanders weren't on it last week. 701 01:06:16.970 --> 01:06:18.300 Mike Marcangelo: Is that… is that true? 702 01:06:18.300 --> 01:06:19.560 David Clarke: I don't think they were, no. 703 01:06:19.560 --> 01:06:20.819 Robert Kelly: Yeah, they weren't, I think. 704 01:06:21.800 --> 01:06:30.100 David Clarke: Yeah, he's been waiting and seeing. He has been consistently waiting and seeing about the Commanders, but anyway, whatever. I don't really understand the Packers, like, I don't understand how they're here. 705 01:06:30.120 --> 01:06:46.030 David Clarke: It's like that SNL sketch where it's, like, the three sisters. That's what these power rankings look like. It's like, I'm Chelsea, I'm Donna, and then one of them's like, I'm Shuji! And it's just like, which one of these things is not like the other, you know? 706 01:06:46.240 --> 01:06:55.529 David Clarke: Eunice, I think it's Eunice, maybe, is her name? But anyway, I digress. I obviously don't remember that sketch that well, but that's who the Packers look like to me. 707 01:06:55.680 --> 01:07:03.689 David Clarke: They're gonna probably beat the Bengals, and then they're probably gonna beat the Cardinals. But then they play the Steelers, so let's see. Let's see them play the Steelers, Aaron Rodgers… 708 01:07:03.690 --> 01:07:09.620 Mike Marcangelo: What do you do in that game, DK? No, stop the fucking show right now. What do you do in that game? 709 01:07:09.820 --> 01:07:10.599 David Clarke: What do I do? 710 01:07:10.900 --> 01:07:12.329 Mike Marcangelo: Yeah, who are you rooting for? 711 01:07:12.330 --> 01:07:14.370 David Clarke: Oh, I'm rooting against the Packers. 712 01:07:14.790 --> 01:07:16.220 Mike Marcangelo: I'm rooting for Aaron Rodgers. 713 01:07:16.640 --> 01:07:21.659 David Clarke: I'm rooting for the Steelers' defense, like I've been doing over the past few weeks. 714 01:07:21.660 --> 01:07:22.769 Robert Kelly: Read a nothing. 715 01:07:23.340 --> 01:07:32.559 David Clarke: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a situation where I could come out, everything could come up Dave in that game, but it's a very tight needle to thread. 716 01:07:32.720 --> 01:07:34.769 David Clarke: If Aaron Rodgers… no, you see that? 717 01:07:34.770 --> 01:07:38.890 Mike Marcangelo: You will be cheering when Aaron Rodgers throws a touchdown. That is a fact. 718 01:07:38.890 --> 01:07:41.990 David Clarke: Happy about that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. 719 01:07:41.990 --> 01:07:42.539 Mike Marcangelo: What if he throws. 720 01:07:42.540 --> 01:07:45.189 David Clarke: No, no, no! 721 01:07:45.890 --> 01:08:03.520 David Clarke: Yeah, I will. I'll be happy if Aaron Rodgers throws a game in a touchdown event against the Green Bay Packers, absolutely. Absolutely. It's not even close. My hatred for Aaron Rodgers as a guy does not even really touch the deep generational, like, in-my-bones, in-the-ground-around-me hatred I have for the Green Bay Packers. Like, he's a symptom. 722 01:08:03.630 --> 01:08:11.370 David Clarke: of my hatred for the Green Bay Packers. So, yeah, I'd be cheering if Aaron Rodgers threw a touchdown pass against the Green Bay Packers, for sure. 723 01:08:11.370 --> 01:08:13.399 Mike Marcangelo: It's happening. It's happening, Bobby. 724 01:08:13.760 --> 01:08:18.920 David Clarke: Worst case scenario, Aaron Rodgers… Torn ACL. 725 01:08:20.029 --> 01:08:25.799 David Clarke: a warm-up, and warm-ups for the game, and the Packers lose anyway. That would be… that would be an ideal… 726 01:08:26.009 --> 01:08:32.169 David Clarke: Not torn ACL, you don't know what we should know, just cramps. Can't play in that game. Just that game. Cramps. 727 01:08:32.659 --> 01:08:39.929 David Clarke: Which would be an Aaron Rodgers-y thing to do against the Packers. But it is in primetime, it's gonna be a really interesting watch. He's gonna go off that game. 728 01:08:39.930 --> 01:08:42.220 Mike Marcangelo: Like, you know it, like, he's gonna throw for 400 guys like him. 729 01:08:42.729 --> 01:08:52.549 David Clarke: Yeah, and I probably will be pumped about that, because it's against the fucking pack, like, yeah, I'd probably be happy, and then Leo will be happy, fine, whatever. Honestly, he hasn't been that bad as a Steeler. 730 01:08:52.550 --> 01:08:54.739 Mike Marcangelo: Here we, here we go. Here we go, Bobby! 731 01:08:54.740 --> 01:08:55.720 David Clarke: behaved. 732 01:08:55.720 --> 01:09:05.299 Mike Marcangelo: I did tell you, I told every… I told everyone, by week 5, if they're 3-2 or 3-1, DK's gonna start talking himself. It was on the… it was on the ranking. 733 01:09:05.300 --> 01:09:15.270 David Clarke: I'm not talking to myself, I hate Aaron Rodgers. I'm never gonna stop hating Aaron Rodgers. I'm just saying, he hasn't been as annoying, which I'm grateful for. Can you admit that he hasn't been as annoying? 734 01:09:15.649 --> 01:09:17.149 David Clarke: You might end up rooting… 735 01:09:17.149 --> 01:09:19.029 Mike Marcangelo: Yeah, I'll admit that, for sure. 736 01:09:19.029 --> 01:09:22.799 David Clarke: Like, cause he's on the Steelers, he's less annoying, right? Because you can't really do that shit on the Steelers. 737 01:09:22.800 --> 01:09:24.870 Mike Marcangelo: Why… but I hate the Steelers, but . 738 01:09:24.870 --> 01:09:38.000 David Clarke: But you know that's why, though, right? Like, you know that's why, because you can't… I mean, you couldn't do it, you know, like, you couldn't have done it in New England in 2015 either, you know what I mean? Like, it's… there's a thing, there's places you can't go and act like that. He was able to do that in New York. 739 01:09:38.270 --> 01:09:59.829 David Clarke: Because… and I thought that was so funny, honestly, like, that was the most ridiculous thing ever that he said when he was like, I love beating anyone associated with New York. I'm like, the team that bent over backwards for you? I don't understand that at all. I'm like, they did… they did everything you asked. They fired everyone you asked them to fire, they fired all your friends who sucked? Like, what is happening? Like, what do you mean you hate them? They tried everything! 740 01:09:59.830 --> 01:10:05.049 David Clarke: I can't imagine what his ex-girlfriends are like. No, you know what, fuck him too, I re-hate him. I just need to remind myself every now and again. 741 01:10:05.050 --> 01:10:07.680 Mike Marcangelo: He's married, but we don't know to. Or twice. 742 01:10:07.680 --> 01:10:11.519 David Clarke: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Neither does his family, right? They weren't invited to the wedding. 743 01:10:11.520 --> 01:10:12.080 Mike Marcangelo: Right. 744 01:10:12.270 --> 01:10:21.819 David Clarke: We'll see, that's gonna be a good game. It's October 26th, end of the month, check, you know, mark your calendars. I might… lose my mind, I don't know. I don't know what's gonna happen. It'd be sick if he, 745 01:10:22.090 --> 01:10:26.090 David Clarke: Yeah, if he got cramps, that would be… that would be the needle he needed to thread. 746 01:10:26.250 --> 01:10:33.620 David Clarke: It doesn't really make sense to me that the package… would you put them at 6 on the power rankings, Mike? Is that what you're saying? I know you just like to see me suffer, but… 747 01:10:35.030 --> 01:10:38.440 Mike Marcangelo: I think that they're better than every team underneath them. 748 01:10:40.870 --> 01:10:42.270 David Clarke: Including the 49ers. 749 01:10:42.800 --> 01:10:43.510 David Clarke: fully healthy. 750 01:10:43.510 --> 01:10:44.290 Mike Marcangelo: Yes. 751 01:10:44.420 --> 01:10:47.139 Mike Marcangelo: Well, no, no, as currently constituted. 752 01:10:47.140 --> 01:10:48.600 David Clarke: As currently constituted. 753 01:10:49.380 --> 01:10:50.190 David Clarke: Alright. 754 01:10:51.080 --> 01:10:53.479 David Clarke: Okay, I guess that's fair. 755 01:10:53.630 --> 01:10:59.409 David Clarke: Yeah, I want to do a fraud check on the Colts every single week, because of who their quarterback is. That's… that's just how I feel. 756 01:10:59.550 --> 01:11:00.380 David Clarke: I, I, I'm… 757 01:11:00.380 --> 01:11:02.049 Robert Kelly: You're good again, though. 758 01:11:02.310 --> 01:11:13.220 David Clarke: Yeah, but that's you, Bob, you love it. You fucking love it. Like, how many… I just want you to think about, just… let's just take it… let's just take it from this perspective. Your favorite thing to do is run with… 759 01:11:13.750 --> 01:11:22.500 David Clarke: historically shit quarterbacks playing well, and my favorite thing to do is be, like, is to be, like, they're historically shit, they'll be shit again, and I am undefeated. 760 01:11:22.870 --> 01:11:25.120 Robert Kelly: You are undefeated so far. You are undefeated. 761 01:11:25.120 --> 01:11:30.399 David Clarke: They're historically shit, and they're gonna be shit again. And you're over here. 762 01:11:30.550 --> 01:11:49.720 David Clarke: Like, I mean, I'll even say, like, you know, you had some great rookie QB takes, and thank God, I was really happy to see your CJ Stroud take, like, just get some life breathe back into it over the weekend, like, they actually looked like themselves, like, he looked like a competent quarterback, like, he could actually play at the NFL level again, I was really happy to see that. But the whole, like, I don't know, man… 763 01:11:49.850 --> 01:12:09.809 David Clarke: Maybe it's just a change of scenery for him is all he needed. That's never worked out for you. It's never gone your way. So… yeah, no, he's gonna start to suck. You just… we don't have Colts tape on Daniel Jones to the appropriate degree yet. Once we have Colts tape on Daniel Jones, once they start to play real teams that… 764 01:12:10.590 --> 01:12:29.389 David Clarke: have, like, looked at the Colts tape of him, it's gonna fall off, it's gonna… the wheels are gonna fall off. That's what's gonna happen. There's… this is still the team that drafted Anthony Richardson and, like, let him come off because he was tired. Like, it's too… we can't just do revisionists, like, immediately. There's too many red flags still. And… most of them are Daniel Jones. You just… it's not gonna work. 765 01:12:30.320 --> 01:12:33.749 Robert Kelly: That's all Daniel Jones, that's the only red flag, because the defense looks awesome. 766 01:12:33.750 --> 01:12:34.180 Mike Marcangelo: Yeah. 767 01:12:34.180 --> 01:12:48.080 Robert Kelly: And Jonathan Taylor looks like his… Jonathan Taylor looks like his old self again. So, I think he could carry them in. Everyone… everyone else in the top 10 lost this week, and they won 40-6. So, they're not… they're not dropping, they… they deserve the jump. 768 01:12:48.320 --> 01:13:01.280 David Clarke: Okay, I don't think they're gonna be in the power rankings very long. They might stay in there when they play the Cardinals next week, because I am never gonna have faith in the Cardinals to do anything above tying their shoes, and even then, that might be a stretch from here until the end of time. But… 769 01:13:01.280 --> 01:13:09.209 David Clarke: Then they're gonna play the Chargers, and if they play this week's version of the Chargers, okay, but if they play last week's version of the Chargers, that's a little bit of a different story. 770 01:13:09.210 --> 01:13:20.290 David Clarke: Then they play the Titans, which, okay, maybe they're still hanging around the power rankings, and then it's Steelers, Falcons, Chiefs, Texans, Jags, Seahawks, Niners, Jags, Texans. 771 01:13:20.290 --> 01:13:32.609 David Clarke: So, there's a couple, if currently constituted, teams. There's a couple, like, which version of the Texans do they play both times? There's a couple, are the Jags still, you know, the 4-1 Jags? Well, mathematically they won't be, but you know what I'm saying. 772 01:13:32.750 --> 01:13:40.479 David Clarke: You know, so there's a few teams could go either way there, but there's no just, like, outright bad list right there, like, when. 773 01:13:40.480 --> 01:13:40.910 Mike Marcangelo: Well… 774 01:13:40.910 --> 01:13:43.659 David Clarke: Patriots schedule, right? Like, that's not… that's not that easy. 775 01:13:43.660 --> 01:13:49.869 Mike Marcangelo: Arizona… so, Arizona, Tennessee, Atlanta, and… 776 01:13:50.360 --> 01:13:55.140 Mike Marcangelo: I mean, I would… I would say that Jacksonville will be shit by then. I mean, those… 777 01:13:55.140 --> 01:13:56.819 David Clarke: That's probably fair. That's probably fair. 778 01:13:56.820 --> 01:13:58.069 Mike Marcangelo: But, but I do think that… 779 01:13:58.070 --> 01:14:02.389 Robert Kelly: Those will be for the division at that point, though, if things keep going the way they're going. 780 01:14:02.750 --> 01:14:03.540 David Clarke: Right. 781 01:14:04.400 --> 01:14:08.019 Mike Marcangelo: I think the Texans will probably be closer to the division lead by… by that time. 782 01:14:08.020 --> 01:14:18.839 David Clarke: They could go 0-2 to the Texans if the Texans go from strength to strength. Like, they could lose twice by that point. By the end of November, start of December, they could be losing to the Texans twice. So… 783 01:14:18.960 --> 01:14:20.710 David Clarke: I don't know. We'll see. 784 01:14:21.270 --> 01:14:28.759 David Clarke: Or the Jags. They could lose to the Jags twice. I don't know. 785 01:14:28.980 --> 01:14:40.999 David Clarke: We'll see. We'll see about the Colts, but I mean, come on, Daniel Jones is gonna have, like, a full… I mean, he might have a Sam Darnold season in him. He might have a good regular season in him, but then he's not gonna do shit in the playoffs. Let's all just be honest with each other here, like, stop pissing. 786 01:14:41.000 --> 01:14:44.180 Robert Kelly: Yeah, he's not doing shit in the playoffs. 787 01:14:44.180 --> 01:14:52.129 David Clarke: Yeah, they're apparently the 5th best team in the NFL. They should do something, because according to you, they're the 5th best team in the NFL, so they should be doing something in the fucking playoffs, no? 788 01:14:54.440 --> 01:15:00.080 Mike Marcangelo: I mean, how many times did he have the Ravens as the top two, and we know that they're not gonna do anything in the playoffs, so, like, we can't judge it by that. 789 01:15:01.660 --> 01:15:04.019 David Clarke: Okay, but that was a little unexpected, don't you think? 790 01:15:04.650 --> 01:15:08.540 Mike Marcangelo: No, no, Ravens have never done anything in the playoffs with Lamar Jackson. 791 01:15:08.540 --> 01:15:08.980 David Clarke: I don't know. 792 01:15:08.980 --> 01:15:09.410 Mike Marcangelo: Always a… 793 01:15:09.410 --> 01:15:11.089 David Clarke: They won a playoff game last year. 794 01:15:11.260 --> 01:15:14.519 Mike Marcangelo: Daniel Jones won a playoff fucking game, too, the last time he was in there. 795 01:15:14.520 --> 01:15:16.369 David Clarke: Yeah, and then it wasn't Lamar's fault. 796 01:15:17.170 --> 01:15:17.630 Mike Marcangelo: Right. 797 01:15:17.630 --> 01:15:18.590 David Clarke: that loss. 798 01:15:18.990 --> 01:15:21.220 Mike Marcangelo: Yeah, except for the fumble on his pick, but you're right. 799 01:15:21.480 --> 01:15:24.899 David Clarke: No, I really wasn't, though. Like, he played really good. 800 01:15:26.500 --> 01:15:32.529 David Clarke: I mean, I know that… I know that take that you do, but we'll do that more when we get to the playoffs. Maybe not, I don't know. 801 01:15:32.820 --> 01:15:33.990 Robert Kelly: We'll see. 802 01:15:33.990 --> 01:15:39.370 David Clarke: Apparently, they're still the favorite to win the division somehow. Bobby just hasn't refreshed his browser. He's like, no, they're still the favorite. 803 01:15:39.930 --> 01:15:45.600 David Clarke: It's like, I don't know how, I just haven't, it's like, I didn't refreshed in, like, 6 weeks. 804 01:15:46.530 --> 01:15:48.829 David Clarke: Bucks. Baker's a dog. 805 01:15:49.630 --> 01:15:50.520 David Clarke: They're so entertaining. 806 01:15:50.520 --> 01:15:52.209 Robert Kelly: MVP right now? MVP? 807 01:15:52.210 --> 01:16:09.319 David Clarke: I put that on the top of the rundown, like, I'd say… tell me what odds you'd get on it, but I think if you get odds on it, I'd take it right now, put it in the parlay that we've created across the course of this show. Steelers Divisional winner, Patriots divisional winner, Baker Mayfield MVP, I think you're making bank on that parlay. That's what I think. 808 01:16:10.430 --> 01:16:14.549 David Clarke: Mike, you've been enjoying watching the, tampa Bay Buccaneers this year? 809 01:16:14.860 --> 01:16:27.440 Mike Marcangelo: Yeah, I mean, and Abuka is just unbelievable. Like, it's… that is infuriating to watch the fact that they're gonna… that they're… as Mike Evans is entering the twilight of his career, they already have his replacement. 810 01:16:27.870 --> 01:16:30.150 Mike Marcangelo: And he looks fucking amazing. 811 01:16:30.150 --> 01:16:30.520 David Clarke: Yeah, ain'. 812 01:16:31.610 --> 01:16:37.710 Mike Marcangelo: But, I mean, we've been saying this on all of our shows for, like, the last 3 years. Since 2022, 813 01:16:37.870 --> 01:16:49.910 Mike Marcangelo: Baker has been putting up the exact same stats as Mahomes, and everyone thinks Mahomes is, you know, he's Patrick Mahomes. So we should get some respect on Baker, on his name. 814 01:16:49.910 --> 01:17:03.780 David Clarke: I mean, I do agree. That is a great argument for why stats really don't tell you that much. But but no, I mean, he's putting up good numbers, and honestly, he's playing great this year. If they continue to win games, which I think is the most important stat for any MVP, unfortunately. 815 01:17:04.010 --> 01:17:21.249 David Clarke: If they continue to win games… and I say unfortunately because I don't think that that's how we should do MVP, but you basically need to win games, you need to be a quarterback to win an MVP these days, but that's the way it is, so I can live with that. If they continue to win games, like, if they only lose 3 or 4 games, and he's playing at this level. 816 01:17:21.720 --> 01:17:23.389 David Clarke: Yeah, I could see it. 817 01:17:23.670 --> 01:17:31.199 David Clarke: I wouldn't be that mad about it either, because, like, I still think it's probably gonna be Josh Allen, but, like, if Josh Allen has more games, you know what I mean? 818 01:17:31.200 --> 01:17:31.860 Robert Kelly: Big… 819 01:17:35.130 --> 01:17:37.560 David Clarke: Did I lose you? Did we lose Bobby? Is he there? 820 01:17:38.890 --> 01:17:41.109 Mike Marcangelo: No, I hear him, but his lips aren't moving. This is very odd. 821 01:17:41.110 --> 01:17:43.099 Robert Kelly: I'm still here. Yeah, no, I'm still here. 822 01:17:43.100 --> 01:17:43.620 David Clarke: Favorite? 823 01:17:43.620 --> 01:17:49.019 Robert Kelly: Baker, Baker is 4th. Oh, he's 4th. Plus 1200. 824 01:17:49.500 --> 01:17:51.750 David Clarke: To take it, take the money and run. 825 01:17:52.090 --> 01:17:52.430 Mike Marcangelo: So. 826 01:17:52.430 --> 01:17:53.090 David Clarke: How are you, Ron. 827 01:17:53.090 --> 01:17:54.310 Mike Marcangelo: Josh Allen. 828 01:17:55.600 --> 01:17:59.590 David Clarke: Lamar's probably still in the running, top 4, because he's gonna come back. 829 01:18:01.950 --> 01:18:03.330 Mike Marcangelo: He can't be an MVP this year. 830 01:18:04.410 --> 01:18:05.389 David Clarke: You don't think so? 831 01:18:06.140 --> 01:18:07.680 David Clarke: He misses, like, 4 games. 832 01:18:09.020 --> 01:18:10.780 Mike Marcangelo: I mean, he would have to go… 833 01:18:10.780 --> 01:18:12.080 Robert Kelly: Alan Mahomes. 834 01:18:13.330 --> 01:18:15.580 Robert Kelly: It's Alan Mahomes Herbert. 835 01:18:15.820 --> 01:18:17.230 Robert Kelly: And then Baker. 836 01:18:17.230 --> 01:18:17.890 David Clarke: guy. 837 01:18:18.470 --> 01:18:20.150 David Clarke: It's still in the top. 838 01:18:20.150 --> 01:18:22.930 Robert Kelly: Herbert's 3. Yeah, Herbert's 3. 839 01:18:23.410 --> 01:18:29.450 David Clarke: Yeah, I'd be… I'd be… I'd be careful about writing him off, Mike. Vegas says… They ride with Dave. 840 01:18:31.020 --> 01:18:35.740 David Clarke: Bills, we sort of… Bills and Eagles, we sort of talked about already in the context of their… 841 01:18:36.530 --> 01:18:47.760 David Clarke: Losses. So, what do you think, gents? You guys looking forward to another fun week of football? What's your, bobby, I liked last week when you told me what you thought the game of the week was gonna be, and you weren't far off. What's everybody's Game of the week coming up? 842 01:18:49.520 --> 01:18:50.600 Mike Marcangelo: That's a great question. 843 01:18:50.620 --> 01:18:56.400 David Clarke: I feel like I'm really looking forward to… 49ers bucks? 844 01:18:59.020 --> 01:19:01.209 David Clarke: 49ers Bucks looks fun. 845 01:19:01.210 --> 01:19:01.660 Mike Marcangelo: Honestly. 846 01:19:01.660 --> 01:19:02.070 David Clarke: fun. 847 01:19:02.070 --> 01:19:03.550 Mike Marcangelo: It bears commanders. 848 01:19:03.550 --> 01:19:07.480 David Clarke: Aw, you're such a nice guy. Wow. It's at least interesting, right? 849 01:19:07.640 --> 01:19:10.050 Mike Marcangelo: Or at least in the place where it's interesting. 850 01:19:11.090 --> 01:19:24.090 Mike Marcangelo: Two, two quarterbacks from last year's draft that both look like they're gonna be, relevant in the league for a long time. One of them has, not had a good coach for his entirety in his career, and now Caleb does. I just think… 851 01:19:24.330 --> 01:19:30.130 Mike Marcangelo: I would love nothing more than a shootout. Like, and I know you would hate a shootout because of… you like defense. 852 01:19:30.130 --> 01:19:39.230 David Clarke: If he won a shootout, though, on Monday Night Football, if Caleb won a shootout against Jaden Daniels on Monday Night Football, that would be… that would be… I would enjoy that. 853 01:19:39.780 --> 01:19:45.170 Mike Marcangelo: It's like $38.35. Like, you would just be on… Yeah. Yeah, insufferable. 854 01:19:45.170 --> 01:19:48.030 David Clarke: It'd be… it's hard for me to see us scoring 38 points. 855 01:19:48.810 --> 01:19:55.369 David Clarke: I think if we need to score 38 points to beat the Commanders, we've already not beaten the Commanders. Alright. Bobby, who's yours? 856 01:19:56.310 --> 01:20:01.060 Robert Kelly: Lions Chiefs. I'm going old school. I think it's gonna be a good one. Yeah, Sunday night. 857 01:20:01.060 --> 01:20:15.659 David Clarke: Yeah, I want a closer look at the lines, to be honest with you. I want a real closer look at them, because as much as that first week, it looked like, oh shit, they've lost all their DNA, they've lost this, they've lost that, like, they kind of seem to have put it back together pretty fine. So, like, let's take a real look at them against the Chiefs on Sunday night. 858 01:20:15.660 --> 01:20:32.709 David Clarke: Let's take a look at the Bears on Monday night. I'm so glad that it's gonna be on Monday night, because I'll be alone in my house watching it with just no emotional support. That's fun. I hope I don't need it. Good luck to all the teams. Yay sports, thanks for coming on, guys. It's been the Power Ranking Show on Missing the Point.