Part 1: Second Annual NFL Prediction Show

Craig D'Alessandro: 0:24

On this episode it's part one of our second annual NFL prediction show that teams are back and the predictions are the smartest the hosts are stupid. And this is missing the point Episode 81 but it's all relative

Dave Clarke: 0:53

Hello everyone and welcome missing the point the podcast where six idiots talk to one another about sports for an hour into a microphone then for the other 23 on a group chat. I am your host DK sizzle and joining me today I have 123 Yep, literally every single member of missing the point is here with me today. And that's because we're doing our second annual second annual NFL preview show. Bobby pointed out to us yesterday it's the first time we've been able to say second in anything because we recently had our one year anniversary one year which is like a romantic relationship we've all seen each other's crazy site at this point. And we all feel comfortable enough to fart in front of one another. Well Joe's been doing that the whole time but some guys are just really open on the first date you know so with me I have Hollywood ratio on Buchanan real BK Bob Kelly, Mike Mark Angelo and Joe Malkin, our wonderful executive producer Craig is hosting spinning the discs. You know swapping out tapes, whatever he does in that room at his and we're gonna do the NFL previous show. It's gonna be fucking fun. So last season, we split off into two teams, we split it up by conference, AFC NFC, Mike and Bobby the perennial, old married couple took the NFC team Ray and Joe took AFC, tallying up the points over the course of the season. What do we fuck? I actually totally forgot what so like the way we set it up last year, which I thought went pretty well is was like every time you get an answer, right? Or you guess they're the duty records of each team. Yeah, we're about two games. And when you're within two, you get a credit for that called correct. It's like I thought of this fucking game, I can't remember the most you could have you get credit for the for the correct call on that record. So you just have to come within two. We also had an additional playoff game that we played game shows this year, if all of us are still alive by that point about game shows that like added bonus points, couple quiz shows couple. The bunch of different stuff. So a lot of tension. A lot of drama on a pageantry, I mean Season One of missing the point, having now seen it all the way to its conclusion was honestly a tale is oldest time, but completely original at the same time. So we're gonna do our second annual NFL preview show. Beautiful rayshawn. And Joe, as the losers, I'm sorry to say of last year show, you guys get ball. So we're going to start you guys off with your Don't forget, I hope you didn't do a bunch of AMC predictions devices where you're the NFC team. And because we're trying to keep it casual and keep it cozy. I'll let you pick which division you start with. And then I'll make the other team do that same compass direction of their conference. So take it away, Joe and Ray.

Joe Malkin: 3:31

Well, Ray, do you want to start with the division that we only have one playoff team from that also involves Bobby's favorite team, or do we want to start in the NFC West?

Rayshawn Buchanan: 3:40

Yeah, I mean, that's how we had it written out. So we'll start with the NSE at least.

Joe Malkin: 3:44

Alright, we're starting with the NFC leads, then we're gonna go from worst to best to make Bobby sweat a little bit here to so he can figure out where we have his cowboys. So Ray, I'll start with the first thing we're gonna we're gonna say at the bottom of the NFC East is the Philadelphia Eagles led by new head coach, Nick sirianni. With Jalen hertz as the, the quarterback assumingly of the the Eagles this year after the experiments that was Carson Wentz went awry, and he was traded to Indianapolis and they had gotten rid of Nick foles earlier which funny that they actually almost ended up on the same team again, but staying on point. Philadelphia Eagles finishing at the bottom of the NFC East and five and 12

Rayshawn Buchanan: 4:32

Yep, so the next thing we have one there are the New York football giants going seven to 10 you know, Danny dimes you know Danny Jones wherever you want to call him Couldn't you know I'll stay upright literally all year and not because and just because you know he would have run into trouble himself and you know anything that could go wrong for jives did go wrong. So we hadn't gone seven to 10 mil they have some pieces here, obviously, you know, today brought over Kenny golladay obviously say Quan Barkley is going to come back and have a boss back here. But you know, there still be middle, you know, middle of the road, you know, type of team. So we got them going at seven to 10. So, Joe, what do we have next?

Joe Malkin: 5:07

Yeah, just to add to the giants, I mean, I'm Joe judge. I like him as a head coach. I thought he was one of the guys out of the belcheck coaching tree that actually could be successful. I just don't think he has the support within the Giants organization to do so. So in second place in the NFC East suite, Bobby Kelly, I can see the smile behind the microphone is waiting for it his way he's like, wow, they don't even have them in third or fourth. And second in the NFC East. We have the Washington football team at Eaton nine. They got Ryan Fitzpatrick as their quarterback. We could see Hannah key under center. At some point Ron Rivera is a seemingly healthy as the head coach chase young is a problem. And he was a problem against the Patriots in their first preseason game this year. It was actually fun to watch him run wild. Isaiah win for the New England Patriots had a really tough time with him on the left side of that line. So I think chase young is going to be more important than any quarterback that Washington puts under center. I think they're gonna be a defensive defense led team and they're gonna be pretty good. But I think eight nine is the is the extent of where Washington goes this year.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 6:12

Yeah, and it's add to that, you know, just for our first part of the show, you can I guess you could say Isaiah, when did I win the day of sh Ah ha ha ha ha ha Tsongas phenomenal or he's by far the I think he's the best player in the division let alone doesn't matter what position but they use the best player in the division he's going to show that again he had a great rookie year so I watched a defense is going to keep them in a lot of games on to me hediki proves to me that these things are going to job or you know to DSS magic for students we get that but how lucky we did against the bucks in the playoffs to me earned him a spot we should have been playing but you know it is what it is he may still get a chance to start you know six or seven games but yeah, Washington shouldn't be good and and so you know I'm close it out with what we have as our winner so you know we got the Dallas Cowboys winning the NFC least you know, as Bobby is all tugging on the shirt for listeners only we cannot see that. But yeah, man. I mean, listen, I mean by default, I mean, listen, you guys have the best quarterback in the division who know often, you know, Dak was injured often most of last year so I know he's dealing with a shoulder injury right now. You know, going through the preseason, but yeah, got him going 10 to seven you know, Keanu Neal has looked good in the preseason, Miko Parsons has loved every bit of and then some so listen defensively is where they're going to have to make their mark. We know that as Dalat as we watched Dallas, you know, they were given up 45 and scoring 41 all the time by sheer so really, it seemed like last year they were doing that. So yeah, but a lot of they say healthy. You know, john, I agree that they're going to win all the division as we'll get to the playoff stuff later on, but we hadn't gotten 10 to seven right now.

Joe Malkin: 7:44

Mike McCarthy cleared out a lot of that staff in Dallas. I think last year was a weird year. He's one of those teams like the Patriots, where I give a little bit of benefit of the doubt, especially with Dak Prescott getting hurt. As long as Ben dinucci isn't taking snaps for the Dallas Cowboys, they have a chance to go 10 and seven, I've we re and I originally had them at nine and eight, and I was gonna use the job Bobby, the only reason they're going to go nine and eight is because they're 17 now or be BMO 500 is because there's 17 games on 16. But I think 10 and seven is a fair place for them, especially with their weak division. I think Washington they split with I think they sweep the Eagles. And I think they will probably sweeps the Giants as well. So I mean, that's, you know, five wins right there. So I think that's a great start for Dallas.

Dave Clarke: 8:31

Wow, that was a you guys really mercilessly mowed through the NFC East. Like just really cut them down to size. Yeah, I mean, it is probably the worst division in football still. Right? There's bro I can't think of a worse one. Matt. Maybe? Ah, no, it's pretty bad. So I mean, that was fair assessments Dallas Cowboys winning the world's tallest midget competition getting bounced out of the playoffs the first round. That's a decent return for you, Bobby, if you guys win 10 games obviously means, you know, 4.6% less to win 10 games that I did last season. But I think that's fair enough. Bobby, would you take a Dallas Cowboys 10 and seven record and division winners and a fun playoff run? If under the circumstances that Joe described Dak Prescott takes most of the snaps for next season.

Rob Kelly: 9:17

Without a doubt. It lists Listen, I'm just starved for a playoff game this way. I know you're with me last year DK you guys sneaking into the playoffs? That was a beautiful thing for you and you loved every second of it. And I would 100% get behind it. The welfare. It was a good game. The only thing that scares me with Dallas this year is some Mike brought it up a while ago. Is that Dak Prescott shoulder. I know it's not a big deal. I keep saying it's not a big deal. But like, man, if something actually happens to him, there's nothing behind him.

Joe Malkin: 9:53

I mean, this is gonna sound weird. He's his ankle injury was is more important than the shoulder injury.

Michael Marcangelo: 9:59

Yeah, yeah. But it's just it's just not a good look that you come off of an eight ankle injury and then mid the first week of training camp. You have a shoulder injury.

Rob Kelly: 10:07

Not great, but we'll see. We'll see. I love it because I do think our defense is going to be so much improved over last year.

Michael Marcangelo: 10:13

I mean, it couldn't stop a nosebleed last year Bobby

Rob Kelly: 10:15

well Dan Quinn coming in is such a big difference man. He's got to be such a big difference and Michael Parsons Ray you couldn't have said it better man and and preseason. This dude works apart. He was everywhere. He's just starting linebacker, day one from Dallas and he's gonna make that defense much better from day one. I just hate being on the field so as sad as I was when we missed out on those two corners I'm not disappointed right now because Micah Parsons looks at a compartment is something else.

Dave Clarke: 10:44

Yes it is. It is certainly shoulder Tex thrown shield. Oh, yeah.

Rob Kelly: 10:48

Yeah, yeah, he's got he's got a baseball strain shoulder. It's got it recovers with rest. So it's just one of those we're like, the only thing that's gonna solve it is rest. But at the same time, like it could get worse so it's like one of those things that are Bobby gets tendonitis.

Michael Marcangelo: 11:07

Let's just call one of those. Yeah,

Rob Kelly: 11:09

it's not that's never good. No, you're not good. It's not good

Dave Clarke: 11:12

if that if that's if that's the case. I was gonna say fucking Dr. Quinn medicine woman over here. Only kids who watch TV in the late 90s in the daytime let's get that reference but I don't know if I necessarily agree with it with the old adage that like you know, an injury on top of the end of a recovery of another injury is like the worst thing in the world because anyone who's ever been hurt knows that you start to rely on other parts of your body a little bit more and you like end up straining other shit. So if he was trying to throw in a way that he wasn't like if he was a little hesitant on the ankle or if he wasn't you know if he wasn't think about that when in the same way and like you know, it could just be like a little little strain little soreness you never know and you never know is a great thing to say about the Dallas Cowboys because you really never know anything everything anybody's saying is true it could be trying to like not to cut you off but

Michael Marcangelo: 11:59

you kind of always know but the Dallas Cowboys it's eight Nate but now it's I guess it sends seven

Dave Clarke: 12:04

yeah but but maybe for Dak Prescott comes this is a very cowboys season to Dak Prescott comes back has is like the best quarterback in the NFL for like seven games and then like injures his other ankle it wouldn't even be

Rob Kelly: 12:16

able to even put that into the atmosphere bro like there is nothing

Dave Clarke: 12:21

wrong. Let me tell you some right now there is no Juju that I can put into the world that could affect the cosmic fuckery that the Dallas Cowboys like when this shouldn't change their Juju. Okay, facts.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 12:33

No it honestly it could be like, you know, this is a different sport. But remember what Pedro Martinez was in New York as he left Boston, he's he fell asleep in the shower. It was over like that that to me that's more Dallas Cowboys then yeah, you don't say that's more Dallas Cowboys anything else like that's more on brand so like Oh, he fell in the shower like he like broke his wrist or whatever we just ran his wrestling. He's out for three weeks like shit that that's something that could have belonged slippy

Rob Kelly: 12:59

I've enjoyed. I've enjoyed the last four months as the positive Celtics fan I really have and the fact that now we're back to this channel where I have to sit in a hole for the next a year and a half fucking sucks. Alright. It's all excited for it. And I can't wait

Joe Malkin: 13:15

let's go as well. This is just going for it. This is one of your predictions in the playoffs. We're so good when your mind is not clouded by cowboys fuckery you you do much better when the Cowboys are a part of it. I mean, honestly, I think we can all say on Sunday afternoons Oh hopefully the Patriots are better so people don't have to listen to me Ray and Michael can't wait to get to that because they're not going to be one for Bobby every Sunday was just like we knew right away you know we all just ran to console Bobby and we just couldn't do it because by he just went off the rails. So Bobby I think you're gonna be fine. I think you'd be alright.

Dave Clarke: 13:54

I'm glad you're here personally like you don't have to be slower than the bear you just got to be slower than the slowest guy running from the bear

Rob Kelly: 14:00

you got any slower than the fucking cowboy?

Dave Clarke: 14:02

I think it's fine to have dedicated that section of conversation to the Dallas Cowboys the Dallas Cowboys only does anyone have on the other team have anything sadly to say about those other three shit piles of teams? No. Okay, great. I do agree with you guys that the Eagles will be arguably the worst team in football next year. Like there's a lot of dysfunction going on over there. front office, offense defense like it's just it's they're really shaping up to win zero win games.

Joe Malkin: 14:28

five wins is very,

Dave Clarke: 14:30

yeah, you're you're kind of conservative maybe with that. But then as you know, just to remind the viewers at home and listeners and home the name of the game is to get it within two. So no point in guessing zero, you know, all right, let's move on. Let's go over to the AFC team. And since they did the East now you guys got to do the East so you can start in whatever order you want. Go from top to bottom best to worst worst, at least dedicate as much time to it as you want. go nuts.

Michael Marcangelo: 14:52

So obviously, like we definitely talked this out and work this out to make sure that we're succinct. Yeah, you want to start you want to start, like worst the best Bobby. Well, don't just don't aren't too bad. Don't start with me yet. Well, we just agreed the worst team in the AFC East is going to be the New York Jets.

Rob Kelly: 15:13

Yeah, well, so we did ours a little different where we didn't come to a consensus. What do you got, like I got three and 14 for the year.

Michael Marcangelo: 15:20

I get six and 11. So why don't we just call it five and 12 five and five, five. But

Dave Clarke: 15:25

it's gonna be so it's gonna be so upsetting if like you guys win again because it's like Joe and Ray came in and they're like okay so here's our analysis here's the here's gonna be this record here's gonna be this record and then you two guys come in when your fucking pants on done being like I don't know what do you think the Jets are gonna suck

Michael Marcangelo: 15:41

i just earned I just learned from yours it even season one a missing the point that if you have a plan and Bobby is on my team he will try to sink your ship so yeah he's skilled yet cheers but I just want to point out before we move on to the next team, five and 12 for the Jets that's a good thing right it's a really it's a rebuild and it's not a Rebuild of the year to rebuild in three or four years if that happens they could be a really good team you know moving forward you know I said three or four years now Bobby than here we go the next team the third worst team in the AFC East I have is the Miami Dolphins. I assume that you're going to just kick me right in the deck and Santiago Patria?

Rob Kelly: 16:19

Yeah, no, not even close. Not even close. Okay, listen. So I had the New England Patriots finishing eight, nine. Yeah, no, I don't see how Cam Newton or Mack Jones is gonna get this team above 500. Really, I just I just don't like unless Matt saw the other way I could see it. You can convince me if you think Matt Jones is gonna be the quarterback. Because Cam Newton is not winning more than eight games this season is not

Michael Marcangelo: 16:48

happening. It doesn't matter who the quarterback is Bobby belcheck won seven games with that shit chip can have a team last year and then he added to the offense and now high towers back now we got Matt Jude on, Gillies gonna come back. So they're gonna have a top. We'll call it a top 12 defense and probably a top 20 offense last year, they were terrible. So what I'm telling you, so you have them on what you said eight, nine, and eight, nine. And then I have the dolphins tennis ever. I have the Patriots at 11 and six. So we should split that and just kept Can we just call it 10? Seven? Because then you'll still win and I'll still win.

Rob Kelly: 17:25

So are we putting in both of them at 10 and seven then?

Michael Marcangelo: 17:28

I mean, yeah, if you really just want to fuck up my bracket. I guess I could do that. But yeah, forget.

Rob Kelly: 17:33

Yeah, but But no, this isn't your bracket. This is our bracket. Alright,

Michael Marcangelo: 17:37

let's say we got called the old married couple for a reason. We got to figure this shit out. All right. In fairness to me and the listeners I said if you want to fuck off my bracket then I'm looking at then yeah, we can do i do want to fuck up your bracket. 10 710 10 seven for dolphins and patriots. I'll give if you want if you said 10 seven for the dolphins. I'll give you 11 sets just so that we had to put them above Yeah, okay. Do okay.

Rob Kelly: 18:00

Yeah.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 18:01

It's

Dave Clarke: 18:03

it's funny because you know, we call you guys an old married couple. But we could play that tape as like a real example of what compromise looks like because you did really well right there. And

Joe Malkin: 18:13

that wasn't bad, right? That was better than last week. I

Dave Clarke: 18:16

thought that was gonna go really off the rails.

Joe Malkin: 18:20

I'm very,

Michael Marcangelo: 18:21

I just Oh, Mike just I have the Buffalo Bills at 13 and for the ASC seven as a runaway I think. Yeah, I think Josh Allen that all offense is just too good. And I really think I don't think last year was a fluke. So 13 and four for the bills. So just to recap we have 13 for for the bills 11 and six for the dolphins tenants seven for the Patriots. And when we call the Jets kills, right.

Rob Kelly: 18:53

Can we minus one from the jets that when we get it if they get two wins? No, they're

Michael Marcangelo: 18:57

gonna win. They won two games last year dude, Zach Wilson's better

Dave Clarke: 19:02

and has a new coach RFI. All right. Well, it seems that you guys came to a consensus there about the the AFC least we're getting it covered. I mean, you know, it is always kind of surprising to me like I was, you know, you go back into do your research for these shows after not having a football, any football to watch. And you go, Oh, yeah, the Buffalo Bills are a good team now. Which is like a very strange reality that you'd like sort of entered into and obviously they have the best backup quarterback in all of football and Mitch trubisky. I bet I bet he ends up getting the starting job and becomes like the best QB in football just knowing knowing the Chicago Bears and their luck. Who would you say was one of the division the bills? I don't know.

Michael Marcangelo: 19:37

Yeah, those are 13 and four. And then you said so we had the bills of 13 for the dolphins at 11 six the Patriots attendants seven and then the Jets at six and now five, five? No, you have a five and 25 Yeah,

Dave Clarke: 19:54

I learned to culture My name is build number that I think that coaches good. I mean, we could say I think Joe you said that like halfway through last season right where you were like, whenever they fuckin was he they're all last season. He wherever you remember your name checking him for being like a good coach. And I think he is actually building a decent culture over there. Maybe if two becomes like what every dolphins fan thinks he is. And every not dolphins fan thinks he isn't but like, who knows. What do you guys think about their predictions? Ray? Was it fair and what they just did to your New England Patriots?

Unknown: 20:21

Yeah,

Rayshawn Buchanan: 20:21

I mean, I think I think tennis seven is mostly usable the eight and nine. Um, you know, but again, you know, I don't expect Bobby to take that type of shot because he was upset with us last year and even probably a few months ago for actually we gave you Tinker Actually, we gave you team division. We gave you six divisions and you certainly insisted on us let me know what fucker was saying we're taking it back Joe. Go on five it's all fucking No,

Joe Malkin: 20:44

but now our foreign 13

Rayshawn Buchanan: 20:47

more than T right? Exactly right. No, but I mean, listen, Miami and buffalo are considerably better right now than the Patriots and that desses You know, that's, you know, you can drink the Kool Aid as early now once you get into the season and some things unfold and that may be different but right now on paper as currently constructed, it should be buffalo then Miami, then us and then the Jets. I do think that we can be interchangeable with Miami mainly just depending I think that the defense funding was gonna be a lot better mainly because the office is going to be better right? So the defense was an awful last year but we just couldn't get off the fucking field. And so when you bring back when you bring back Geodon and you haven't you have Hightower on and Jimmy whether Gilly is back or not, I know they need him. But I still have faith in our secondaries to still be elite when they need to be. And I was like, What is Cameron Macri? I think that you know, we're going to be fine. I've been pleased with Matt Jones to saw. Let's face it. I know Mike, you know, still wants that guy in Chicago and I understand that. But Mike Jones has shown me enough that he could lead on the office is being ran through him when he's out there. That's that's not a all the thought of that pain. That's a fact. So yeah, so I mean, I'm sure Joe has the same sentiment. I'm sure he'll LSU some different points than I did. Yeah.

Joe Malkin: 21:53

What sucks about the New York Jets as I like Robert saw a lot as the head coach there. I don't know how he's gonna be as a head coach. I think he's an outstanding defensive mind. And I think that's kind of what they're trying to do in New York. Now. Adam Gates was a joke. I mean, that guy doesn't belong in the NFL. Not to mention as an NFL head coach, Sam, Donald is gone. They drafted Zach Wilson, I think just with the first year coach, first year quarterback, Mike Senate, and he's right. I mean, it's a two to three, maybe four year process. And I think, I hope the Jets organization understands that unless Zach Wilson or Robert of solid do something to completely screw that up in New York, and they got to give those guys time and give them the resources to get it done. Because right now they're competing with a very good team in the Buffalo Bills and up and coming team in the Miami Dolphins and Bill Belichick. So they have a long road ahead of him. So if Robert Solow and Zach Wilson can Outlast those three things, they'll be alright.

Michael Marcangelo: 22:52

But before you go DK, I just want to I just want to say Bobby was factored into my decision making process was last year, the Patriots had a third toughest schedule according to wins losses. And this year, they have the fourth easiest,

Joe Malkin: 23:03

yeah, and that's where I was gonna go next. Since that, Bobby, I'm saying this from a football standpoint, I hope you're wrong. Because I think the Patriots have what it takes to be better. And I do think Cam Newton has what it takes to be a 10 to 11, one quarterback with a 17 game season. And I say that because I think given the time, Mike, I know I understand, but I don't want him to be the starting quarterback. But after what I saw in week two of the preseason from Jim Newton when he stepped up in the pocket and didn't run and stopped at the line of scrimmage and threw a bullet over the middle. That was really to me that was the one play I needed to see. To be like okay, he I think he's understanding what his role is now. And last year it was I don't know what to do my Amazon phone have to learn what to do so but also Bobby to your point about about Cam Newton candidum is better than to attack by law. Just go throw it out. He's better than two. And buffalo is a wagon. Mike I think you're I think you guys win totals low. I think they're 14 and 315 two I think he's this I think they're that good. It really good

Rayshawn Buchanan: 24:17

Yeah, it's good to see you check like send me a crazy try to tell everyone last year when Craig said buffalo is the team and Josh Allen was going to be the guy once Brady left Josh Allen was a problem yeah he's a BC out on the wire but and also shout out to him and Shannon said Asia Most importantly, six years 250 a mil under 50. Guaranteed I believe like that that is awesome. And like that buffalo semi loves buffalo. So yeah, it did. Definitely, definitely division.

Rob Kelly: 24:40

So you know to lose, I just see a little bit of a fall back from Buffalo. Not a lot, nothing that they're gonna miss the playoffs or any 13

Rayshawn Buchanan: 24:47

was a fallback.

Rob Kelly: 24:50

But like, I see a lot not from the team, I guess because as neighbors what 33 last year. So I just think john Chauhan isn't going to be as prolific as he was last year just because teams have a little bit more of a beat on him this year. But the rest of that team is still really really good stuff. Just

Dave Clarke: 25:08

one note on strength, the schedule, every game if you take away the two buffalo games from the Patriots schedule, and the Tampa Bay game, so say you just chalk those up as losses right now. I mean, Tampa Bay could go either way, but like let's just for the sake of this argument, say that those three losses every other game on your schedule, winnable, every single other game on your schedule is wonderful. The next hardest one you have is probably Tennessee, maybe Cleveland, Miami and Miami. It's tough.

Michael Marcangelo: 25:33

Just to quote a host very winnable, the host of this show like you play the play,

Dave Clarke: 25:38

right? Well, you know, I'm not I'm not criticizing you. What I'm saying is, is what my question would be is, how does Bill Belichick the ultimate pragmatist look? And this question is for anyone who wants to answer it, look at the strength the schedule where, for instance, you start October against Tampa Bay, right, you start your October, which is like really the meat of the season. At this point. You know, you've played three games. Your fourth game is against Tampa Bay, it's a night game. Is it a Sunday or Monday? Morning? It's Sunday? Yes. So if you go in against Tampa Bay, I don't think Bill Belichick gives a shit about statement games on TV or Steven games at night. I think that he looks at this season in 14 blocks. I think he goes it'd be great to start with a win against Miami, but we definitely need to go and beat the New York and New Orleans. It'd be great to get a win against Tampa Bay. But then all we have to do is go be Houston, Dallas and the Jets. If he looks at these four game blocks as he goes, you can win three out of every four games until I mean there's just no patchwork and until you play buffalo twice in it until you play buffalo twice in three weeks, you can take the majority of those four game blocks. I think that's how Bill Belichick looks at or at a at an NFL season. So what do you guys think? Like, could the pay like when you look at it like that? Could the Patriots potentially have a better record than we then they make the on paper deserve?

Michael Marcangelo: 26:50

Yeah, absolutely. Because I had to settle with Bobby on this. I just want to say like I was one of the last shows like we I couldn't find more than six losses, which is why I had them at 11 six, right? I didn't know there's a real there's a real possibility that we entered that game against Brady at three and out right now. We're either gonna lose that game by 35. Or we're gonna win it by two. Right? That's how that's gonna go. My money is on lose by 35. But this schedule, regardless of who's quarterback now, not Brian Hoyer or Jared cinna. But if it's those two top options, it's tough for me to see seven losses but because of the point struction in this game, I can acquiesce to 10 seven,

Rob Kelly: 27:34

the only so the stretch that worries me for that is Browns Falcons tightened bills called dos.

Michael Marcangelo: 27:41

They're going to split what would the what would the bills and

Rob Kelly: 27:44

that's a tough stretch though. They could easily lose four out of five games as somewhere on that stretch. I mean, you know, they could lose to the browns. They could listen to Tiger musou they could listen to bills they got lose to the Colts they could lose to the bills.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 27:58

Yeah, I just got thing. Oh, DK made a great point about looking at it and forget cameras. I think that's actually how it used to be.

Rob Kelly: 28:06

He wants to split that stretch.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 28:09

No, no, that's what I'm saying. But I think DK made a great point that when Brady was here, and he was no killing everybody I think he did look at it that way it was okay. And these four games we're gonna go through one year maybe towards who here are over four and over here right? The end of the season. There's no But listen, I just want to make a point about before and then we can move on to the next division. Wait for a good seven Bay. If you're thinking Bella says no is not going to coach his ass off. I don't know where what time you're on. Like that might be like, I mean, I think I think yeah, I think about the all I think about the old Denver games at times that we have to close games like a motivated bill is a different guy. He had just stayed his career. So I did this No way. It's gonna be a blowout on either end, like I'm looking at that's gonna be like a 3128 type game. Either way, there's no way that's going to be blown out on either side, in my opinion. See, here's

Joe Malkin: 28:57

the problem with that game too, as someone who will be there, and we'll undoubtedly see New England Patriots fans wearing. pewter number 12 jerseys. It's gonna be a very interesting crowd that night. Not for this Patriots fan. personally. I yeah, I'm gonna cheer for Tom Brady when he's introduced because without Tom Brady, there's not so simple. And I'm not starting the argument of it was belcheck over radio radio over belcheck. But that raised right, Mel jag is and will, is going to and will coaches ass off that night and we'll pull out all the stops. I think we're gonna see an amoeba defense from the defensive side of the ball. We're gonna see a lot of movement. We're going to see things happen to Dave's point. I agree. I mean, there's been a couple of predictions that I've been looking at that has them losing at the Jetson week to these

Rob Kelly: 29:45

I saw that had Tim's I sort of said to

Joe Malkin: 29:48

these people are smoking some of them stronger than Bobby and Dave have ever smoked weed. at home. They beat the Jetson week two on the road. They beat the saints in week three at home. Their three year old going into the box game the Bucs are probably three no one into that that's a week for suitable there's no way the Patriots lose to the Texans. I think the Cowboys is a toss up of everybody's healthy, they beat the Jets. The Chargers is a toss up they kill the Panthers two brands is a toss up. Falcon Falcons toss up they beat the Ansari Falcons they win Titans toss up, they lose it the bills on the road on December 6 because I think again, I think the bills are a wagon. They beat The Colts they beat the bills at home, they kill the Jaguars and they might lose to the dolphins on the road. I mean, realistically, that's 12 and 511 and six, and I think that's feasible, as long as they do exactly what Mike said in his prediction, as long as belcheck coaches the way he's supposed to his and his quarterback plays up to his ability and to raise point before I think they need your more back because JC Jackson's number one. Yeah.

Michael Marcangelo: 30:55

Before we move on from this guy, I know that we could spend an entire show on this. Aside from the 2004, season belcheck when he wins, Super Bowls, looks at the first four games as just an extension of the preseason. Yeah, so if he goes to in two, that's fine. Now the caveat is he always had Tom Brady there, right? But I could see a world where three in one in the first four games puts them on a fucking rocket ship that gets them to, you know, 13 and 412, and five, but again, I bought as the Patriots hater convert that he is Bobby wanted to lowball them. So I understand that

Rob Kelly: 31:33

Cam Newton man keeps coming out to me is like it's either a rookie quarterback and Cam Newton. And nothing that I've seen from Cam Newton over the last four years, not even just last year, over the last four years, tells me that he can win 10 games, if he shows me differently, fine. But the other thing you have to roll out as a rookie quarterback if it's not him,

Joe Malkin: 31:57

I would argue that Bobby's 2018 2018 was a good season for him. And 2019 was kind of a wash because he got injured and 2020 is a shitty season

Dave Clarke: 32:07

we've done enough on the Patriots. Yeah, we have I will just say obvious not wrong. I will just say I think that straight to schedule wise, I'm glad I asked the question However, this is this now the second season we've done in operation show where I watch you guys talk yourself into something that definitely isn't gonna happen. I am actually with Bobby Kennedy and fucking sucks. He has

Rob Kelly: 32:26

not good. I like that. I understand that. David, you're supposed to the show.

Dave Clarke: 32:31

The thing is, is that I am hosting the show. This is a legal No, no, me putting my balls on your head. So listen, here's the facts. Okay. That was that was the most turgid fucking offense I have seen in my young life. It was so fucking hard to watch. It was so hard to watch. And I understand I understand he's insane guys quit. I understand you guys putting that completely out of your head that trauma completely out of your head. Now Mike said something earlier, which I vehemently disagree with. across the entire board of watching the NFL. He said who the quarterback is, doesn't matter. I've never heard a less true thing said about the NFL. The only thing that matters in your offense, and things after that can matter. But the first thing that matters is who the quarterback is.

Michael Marcangelo: 33:13

Would you want to say like well, I can't retort because you did call me out.

Dave Clarke: 33:17

You can but what I love to do is get to the natural end of my sentence. And then you can go

Michael Marcangelo: 33:22

you did pause sorry. Just real quick. Just real quick, double check with that ragtag offense won seven games last year and he retold that entire office.

Dave Clarke: 33:33

Well, that will be the first time in modern history that that turns out to be true and waiting for the quarterback has mattered every single season for the last. I don't know when's the last time the quarterback didn't matter Joe Flacco we had a great year that year before Tom Brady was in the league.

Joe Malkin: 33:45

Like it's you and me against the world and I'm not with you on the cam train but it's up to me against the world because I love it you know Dave Sydney is like Ah, that offense was awful. It's gonna be the same I remember Kendrick born sucking in a patriots uniform last year.

Dave Clarke: 33:59

Yeah, I mean, I know you guys went and spent some money I agree with that i just like I don't know if there's like a ton of game changers on that offense that can make up for the fact that i think i think honestly I think your best bet from the bottom of my heart is if that rookie you guys drafted Jones is if he goes in and turns out to be good because you're not winning that many games This is my opinion you can put you can hold me to that put me on record as somebody recording for me on record anyway. Moving on. We've just heard we've done enough we've done enough damage to the to the poor listeners ears with all this patriots talk. Although I would say the majority of people listening this show probably are here for that. Let's move on. I can't remember where we were. All right, let's move back over the NFC team. You guys can tell me any division that's left and feel free to pick whichever one you want to go with. And whatever order you want to do. It didn't go nuts.

Joe Malkin: 34:42

All right. We're gonna go with the NFC South. We're gonna start at the top. I think this one is, is pretty obvious. This is the one this is one where I came around in the offseason Dave said it best and I will echo his words of Tom Brady is a lot of fun when he's not in the Patriots system. So Tampa Bay we have them had 12 and five and winning the NFC South. I don't think they're a Buffalo Bills wagon. But I think they're a good team. Tom Brady is entering his age 44 season he's still rated as Brian baby you still watch which is amazing. That's probably true. You know, this guy's this guy's ridiculous. He really And you know, I've said it before, and I'll say it again the moment I knew that they were going to win Super Bowl was wet, which I really didn't want them to, but I kind of had in the back of my head was when there were six seconds left in the second half of the NFC Championship game, and he dropped an absolute dine in the hands of Scotty Miller in the end zone. And Scotty Miller may never have a better catch in his career. He may not he may, he may also never have an easier catch for a touchdown in his career. I mean, this thing was just and they haven't changed anything. All they've done is added, and they're spending money there. I mean, this is the nbas version of a super t. This is the Brooklyn Nets This is the Miami Heat. This is the LA sandals. This is what that team ends and that's why I think 12 and five might even be generous, but are not generous. Not generous enough.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 36:17

Yeah, I mean, listen, it warms my heart. Um, Jay, you speak this beautiful you'll just seem you know, I said once again, me and me and Mike was on the bandwagon WhatsApp because you know, we got ready to still dominate and and he did right I think I said Shopify best ship probably only because there's gonna be a few games where it's just like look like we can mail in insoles in the year I felt like or, or they may run into a CMOS Chicago early on. That's just smacking them around the feet. And ready for kiss went down. Well, that was crazy. But Chicago's defense. Is that real? So? There you go. Dave, I gave you D for some credit there. But yeah, yeah. ha yeah. Yeah. Trust me. You'll be you'll be happy about that one. But ah, ah, yeah. So I've been listening radios that guy you know, they're one of the super modes are repeating champions that have all all twins who started coming back so they kind of knew what he's there was. I know, that's key for Brady at any point in Emma's career, but especially now. Yeah. So you know, and hopefully, you know, I Tonio Brown was more knockouts on the field that he's done in training camp, and you know, they should be good. Also. Moving on to the next team. This was a little high so we may have a little a little discussion about this one, but we had Joe had normally is going 10 to seven. I don't think they're going to be this good. And the words of this guy named Rob Parker no way no out like they may win a games maybe in my opinion. Now James. James has looked like on Monday night, you know, they might have a chance but I just don't see them winning 10 games um, you know, and that division i just i don't i don't see that happening. But what was your rationale Joe? What

Joe Malkin: 37:48

would with that one? Well, whoever's keeping score let's bump that down to nine and eight because the more I think about it 30 and 30 quarterback instant I mean, I you know, honestly, I I understand why jameis Winston was let go in Tampa and why they moved on from him. It's worked out very well for them. Genius wants to know is not a terrible NFL quarterback. I mean, there's much worse than James wants tonight think he's serviceable. I think you're gonna see Sean Payton use a combination of him and taysom Hill because they're both athletic jameis Winston needs to win. They didn't put him in obviously they don't want to put him on the spot to get injured. But to somehow on the other hand, that guy is a crazy solid image so I want them to nine and eight. I think that's I think that's fair. I think he seven and 10 finishes possible for New Orleans but I we will again we'll talk about playoffs later but nine and eight because the bottom of this division is not good after no Orleans finishing third, we have the Atlanta Falcons seven and 10. I even think that might be a little bit high. Matt Ryan is still a serviceable NFL quarterback and now has Kyle Pitts. So I mean, that's a start at something. Of course, he has no Leo Jones anymore as he moved on to tenancy. But no, I think Atlanta can scrap together some games. I don't think they're awful. I don't think they're great either. I think they did their organization a disservice by not naming Raheem Morris, the head coach, the full time head coach, I thought that was a really big disservice. I think those guys really enjoyed playing for him. And they ended up by 100. They end up signing as their as their head coach

Rayshawn Buchanan: 39:33

are Joe Smith. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, who came from Tennessee?

Joe Malkin: 39:37

Yeah, who came from Tennessee? Which firing offensive guy? So understanding what they're trying to do there? I think seven and 10 might be a little high. But we'll stick with that. Because I think I think five and what's five, what 17 minus 512? Five and 12 is possible. Thanks, Mike. I didn't need the sarcastic response in Queens to the money can I appreciate you? What Yeah, seven, seven and 10 from Falcons. Yeah, I

Rayshawn Buchanan: 40:01

mean, I said that and that definitely could be one of our more gracious picks. I mean, listen this they're gonna be good offensive, right? I mean, you said I've readily pitch is Julio Jones just at the tight end like the D six six to 40 like it's ridiculous. I mean, I'm biased and I'm a gator fan. So called pitch is a man I was praying to David's I'm like, please like Bill try to begin. I'm like, I know they were clamoring for a quarterback but I'm like, please go get this guy but He's going to be in Atlanta, not that far from where he was out in Gainesville. So yeah, offensively, they're going to be fine. But we'll see what that might be one of our more generous picks as the year goes on. And last but not least, we got Carolina going for 13 like Sam Donnell going down there now. Yes, it's a win for him alone. And he's out of New York, right and away from Madden games. Right. You know, Matt, Matt rule, you know, was Okay, last year and you know, down at Carolina, I know, obviously, he didn't. Teddy wasn't as guys who got rid of him. So I guess he wanted to have Donald down there. I'm a fan of Robbie Anderson. Obviously, anytime you add a top three running back, maybe even a top 10 player, Christian McCaffrey back in the fold that helps the office. Obviously a gay can't hurt it. But you know, I left Derrick brown and I think the days after JC weren't ready to jazz up JC horn, I'm going to top 10 so I left those guys, we come you know, a mini legion of boom right away and that and that path is back, you know, secondary, like they're not going to be much of anything right away. But who knows this is maybe just a part of their five year plan down there as well for their us bond market. So I think fourth is appropriate Sam john would be good to see ghosts maybe get some of the five windows But either way, this is gonna blow.

Joe Malkin: 41:32

Yeah, sir. Sam, Donald's kind of a weak link down there for me and I think they're doing their entire organization. Their fans and Christian McCaffrey a disservice by not building around him right now. I mean, he's still a young guy, but he got banged up last year he was out most of the season. I mean, that's, that's tough for running back running backs have a tough time coming back from injuries like that. So they're doing him a disservice by not building around him. He's going out and getting Sam Donald, I think Teddy Bridgewater is a better quarterback than I do. Maybe. I hope so. And I'll be wrong because he was supposed to be a big thing coming out of college. And we all know that Adam geese ruined him up in New York. So hopefully, Matt rules who to me is Dan Campbell without the steroids can do something with this team. But it is a five year plan. Right? And it's just I but they're not even going to get five wins this year. So I

Dave Clarke: 42:21

will say that I feel pretty fair. I don't know about the other guys. I feel like those are pretty fair records for those teams. I think you have Atlanta a little higher than I would and I think you have the bucks a little bit better than I would but yeah, I mean, considering what the Bucs play twice a year, which is the rest of that division. I can see them accruing. A good credit wins from that and that could be one of them are great. I will say the only thing about Christian McCaffrey though is he got that high ankle sprain. Not a ton you can do about that and it's just like you fucking sprained your ankle and then when he hurt his shoulder I think they just kind of put them on ice It was like playing risk because our seasons already awash by and I do think he's gonna cuz he got that contract extension that it was high ankle sprain then it was fucking here to show that we shouldn't even have been there. You know, we suck anyway, like, whatever. I think he's got some improved this season. So I actually think the Panthers might do a little bit better. But let's go over to the other team and see what they have to say about and I saw Mike vigorously shaking his head at points, and especially at the mapping the point thing that we're doing with Jojo is really, really aggressive with that barbone a,

Rayshawn Buchanan: 43:19

here we are talking about Wow. Wow. Fucking idiot.

Joe Malkin: 43:28

Thanks for the defense Bobby.

Michael Marcangelo: 43:31

Tampa Bay in that division, like it's six wins, right? So I think that their floor is probably like 13 and four, but I will say my other thing is Carolina. I don't think Sam Darnell makes it to the year. And I think 413 is pretty low for the winter, because I think PJ Walker is a really, really good backup quarterback and could set the league on fire. And if he gets the chance to to be the starter. I had them more at six and 11. But I guess we know plus or minus two, that two wins. You guys are still in that area. But yeah, I mean, Tampa Bay is a wagon they have every single starter returning from last year, but that hasn't happened in a very long time. And they are the defending Super Bowl champions. So a little more respect to them. jamis nine and eight makes sense that that's his mantra if you like you should be a cowboy. Right. 3030 touchdowns there 30 picks. He could just never string along a winning season. I get it but I think taysom Hill is an X Factor.

Rob Kelly: 44:32

The one I disagree with him with like his Carolina for the opposite reason though.

Michael Marcangelo: 44:37

Sure. Surprise,

Rob Kelly: 44:38

I actually think listen when you look at said Donald I see the first Hello It's been nearly two three years now. I see them all as a wash man. I know it's hard to eliminate the ghosts that were put in him from that New England game back Monday way back in the day you guys remember that? But I think that that rule is the guy to do it and I think we're gonna see a different sand Arnold this year. I really do. I mean, I don't see Carolina only putting up five wins when they put up six seven wins with Teddy Bridgewater and I think Donald is a more talented quarterbacks in Teddy Bridgewater, if he has the system and the pieces around him to do it. I mean, Robbie Anderson, DJ Moore and Christian McCaffrey Are n times the weapon is this dude ever had in New York? So I just think Carolina is a little better than you gave him credit for. I will give him seven wins. But that's really the only one I disagree with. I like New Orleans. I think jamis is gonna be good, but I think

Dave Clarke: 45:40

game is gonna be good famous last night. I know. Right? And I know, right? I hope you're saying that on draft night, but

Rob Kelly: 45:49

he's definitely he's definitely better than cam though. I'll tell you that.

Dave Clarke: 45:52

He I don't know. I don't know. But jameis Winston is the biggest Trick or Treat player I've seen in the history should have felt he's so bad. I would want to

Rob Kelly: 46:00

if you put jamis on the Pats every day. Well, you guys would love Jamison, the Pats if you

Joe Malkin: 46:06

guys if you don't have them in Dallas, we'll take Dak

Rob Kelly: 46:09

if you guys are behind cam as your quarterback I promise you you would like James as your quarterback I

Michael Marcangelo: 46:15

promise you it's not it's pretty unbecoming of you to keep taking digs at the Patriots when we still finish I'm not

Rob Kelly: 46:20

I'm not taking digs at the Patriots. I'm not I'm taking a wizard over time. I'm taking digs at Cam Newton. I think there's I I know I hate to pay because he was he couldn't pay for anyway. I just think he's a shitty quarterback.

Joe Malkin: 46:35

Bobby, you have jamis if you want them we'll take Dak on a league minimum chandak he can he give me the backup to Canute.

Michael Marcangelo: 46:42

I don't want to act Yeah.

Dave Clarke: 46:44

All right. We're not talking about the Patriots a pretty dedicated enough time to that. Although I will say I think of jameis Winston try to come anywhere near Gillette Stadium Bill Belichick could shoot at him at the top of the students. Like I want him anywhere near his team because I think he knows my football and has seen him play also I'm pretty sure I agree with you Mike on one hand about Sam Donald I think that he's not that good I don't think he's gonna last the season but I'm pretty sure will Greer is going to be the guy not PJ Walker Walker that I'm pretty sure dude me look pretty impressive this preseason big arm West Virginia do i don't know i Carolina Panthers here I'll show

Rob Kelly: 47:20

the access out of the access l days. It wasn't for those xfl days

Rayshawn Buchanan: 47:25

well i mean i think that rule so coach them up i'm not mistaken. So I think that's another thing they have a connection there but I honestly I'm with Dave once again we'll go to Florida so I'm mostly I'm biased but it got to was Virginia had a great career over to West Virginia. I want to get a chance got the you could play but you guys are right. It probably will be BJ Walker, but we'll register holds a chance out there to somewhere else.

Dave Clarke: 47:45

Yeah, he's got a big heart, man. He's a little bit. He's a little bit shaky sometimes to the pocket like decision making wise, but I think he's gonna be a Garmin, like when he throws and when he's confident he can. He can find his man downfield. Alright, I think that was a pretty fair assessment of finally third like it feels like for the first time in neutral. Division, I think, you know, I think that after this conversation, I'm thinking the pet the Panthers are actually going to be okay this year. I don't even think they're going to be that bad. I think they have some options a quarterback like we've talked about. I think that you know, whoever it is like, protect has the potential to have a good season. They locked up the number one receiver. They have Christian McCaffrey who's like the craziest pass catching running back of all time. I don't know it could happen.