Power Ranking Show - THIS TIME WITH QUARTERBACKS

 

Dave Clarke: It's the Power Ranking Show here on Missing the Point. Uh, returning, I would say triumphantly, Bob Kelly, DK Sizzle thank you so much to Mike and Ray for filling in last week. 

Reflecting on Past Seasons and the Unpredictability of the Current NFL Season

Dave Clarke: We were so smug, Bob, about our, uh, about our streak last season. We were so smug, like, we did it every week, we never once didn't do it.

Come rain or shine, we were like the fucking United States Post Office. We just did every single week. And I think that the, the, the karmic gods of the podcasting world They did, they did. Struck down on our hubris, I think is what happened. 

Bob Kelly: It was like three weeks in a row, bro, that we just couldn't get it done.

It was like Yeah, we, 

Dave Clarke: we cursed the show. We did. We cursed the show. So, you know, on this day, I think now that Uh, our punishment has been wrought, uh, and, and we ask kindly of the, of the podcast [00:01:00] cons to let us see out this season. Part of the curse is the randomness of this NFL season and, and the inability to really lock down who a good team is and who isn't because the second somebody does something crazy, Like something we're inevitably going to talk about, the San Francisco 49ers laying a fucking beat down on the Philadelphia Eagles.

Like, you still think back to the losses that they had and the times that they came out and didn't look good, and nobody's perfect this season. 

Literary Interlude: D.H. Lawrence and the NFL

Dave Clarke: It got me, I'll be honest, it got me thinking about a poem. I remembered from, from my literary studies. Let's hear it. Let's hear it. And when I, when I went back to visit it, it's a guy named D.

H. Lawrence. He was like a realist writer from Britain in the late 1800s, early 1900s. Uh, he wrote like Lady Chatterley's Lover, I don't know if you heard of that book, but I liked his poetry because it was very short and succinct. And it reminded me a lot of times when we were doing the English degree, I had to, I Memorize poems, and shorter ones, you know, you try [00:02:00] to memorize the shortest one.

Now, I don't have it offhand anymore, because I was thinking back to it, and I'm like, it's like this dude knew about the NFL, quite frankly, because he wrote a poem about randomness, and life's random events, it's called The Mystic Blue, couple stanzas, out of the darkness fretted sometimes in its sleeping jets of sparks and fountains of blue come leaping, right?

Already, NFL references. We're here. I like, it breaks the dazzle of living as dolphins that leap from the sea of midnight, shake it to the fire. So the secret of death we see is that what's happening this year, Bob, is the ness and chaos of the National Football League really showing us that. 

The Randomness of the NFL Season and the Rise of AI

Dave Clarke: I mean, the year that AI emerges, the year artificial intelligence emerges, we start using it for our podcast descriptions.

Whoops. Sorry, listeners, we, we even foray into this breach. And we can't stop ourselves. And, and, and our favorite [00:03:00] institution, one of the things we thought we knew the most about on this earth is impossible to predict. How? You know what? We used to fight tooth and nail about this sport because we were both so sure of everything.

And now look, now look at us. Now look at what, what, what, what this unbecoming season has wrought upon us. 

The Inevitable Uncertainty of NFL Predictions

Dave Clarke: I, Bob, can you speak to the randomness of this? of this season and how it's almost disconcerting. It's making me feel a little uneasy. Is that crazy? 

Bob Kelly: No, you know what I think it was, dude, is I think it always was like this, but like, we never talked about it out loud.

So like, we just always thought that we were right. And like, you know, our, our takes would change. We were now every few weeks, reach nirvana, right in our brains. We were always right, because our takes were just changing with the times, you know what I mean? But but now that we have an A conversation every single week.

I feel like we've just realized how fucked up the NFL really is, and like how we just [00:04:00] don't know shit. Like, 

The Paradox of Skill in the NFL

Dave Clarke: no matter Do you think there's any salt or weight to my theory that like everyone's like too good now? Because it's almost making the level seem lower. Because everyone's good. So it's like, you're able to, there's a lot of canceling of each other out NFL.

I feel like I see, I see a team with a lopsidedly good defense and a bad offense, I'm looking at you, the Pittsburgh Steelers and, and, uh, you know, a lopsidedly decent Or the Patriots. Yeah. But yeah, or exactly like the, the crazy stat that came out about the Pats this week, where it's like, not since the Chicago Cardinals 1935.

Not since the Chicago Cardinals has a team lost, uh, was it three or four games? while holding the opposite team to under a certain amount of points. I forget the exact number, but that's insane. And it's the patriots of all teams, you know, our boogeyman, the people that live around the corner. So, I mean, Jesus Christ, I don't even know what to [00:05:00] do.

I don't even know what to do with this season. 

The Unpredictability of the Kansas City Chiefs

Dave Clarke: I can't even decide if the Kansas City Chiefs are good. Like, it's a fucking absurd thought in my head of like, maybe they're not that good anymore. 'cause the receiving course sucks. He's like, of course they're still good, but then maybe they're not . I, uh, I don't know anything.

They, they, 

Bob Kelly: they, they're just. We'll get to him. We'll get to him. 

The Impact of Quarterback Performance on NFL Rankings

Bob Kelly: But when it comes to the NFL, man, I just feel like it really is just a lack of good quarterback play, and I feel like that's like a good segue into, you know, what we did, but like, it really comes down to that is when you look at, I wanted to bring up a top list of like 2015 too, and look at like 15 through 10 

Dave Clarke: on our list.

That's really, that's really smart. Yeah, that's definitely. Yeah, 

Bob Kelly: and just See what the quality is on those lists versus what we have today because I guarantee you it's just you know what I mean like that 

Dave Clarke: error versus error. It's perfect because I what I really wanted to do was have like kind of a I guess like a like a very state of the union sort of civil [00:06:00] discussion about our lists because it is a little depressing.

Creating a Top 32 Quarterback List

Dave Clarke: I learned making because what basically sorry listeners we made the top 32 QB. Uh, lists, the, the kind of stipulation in order to keep it current is like, they have the potential to start next week. And when I made my list, I realized everybody on the list was going to start next week. There's not really any ambiguity on my list at all.

I don't know if there is on yours. Maybe I missed something. But 32 to 1, I have it. I have it. Mine's sketched out. I think that there's really definitive like blocks of. Between three to six, you know, like there's like three to six people per tier, I think. And the tiers really made sense to me when I put mine together.

We did not deliberately ahead of time tell each other, and we will get to the power rings. We're going to do the top 10, but we deliberately did not tell each other what our list was in order to sort of just say, my 32 is this, his 32 is this, and see where we, how far apart we are in certain things. And I think it'll be a good exercise.

Comparing Individual Quarterback Rankings

Dave Clarke: So Bobby, I'm going to, I'm going to tell you my [00:07:00] 32 first. And, and we'll just kind of jump back and forth and we, no one has to go in turns, but we'll just kind of go through the list. Uh, my 32 was a young Mack Jones. Mack Jones is the last quarterback on my list. 

Bob Kelly: I have whoever that is the Jets quarterback, but I have Mac Jones as 31.

So 

Dave Clarke: I do, so actually that is one thing we should have a discussion about because I have Zach Wilson on my list because I just decided, because they dropped the other guy. So you 

Bob Kelly: can't Yeah, so that's why I was like whoever, whoever they decide is starting 

Dave Clarke: next week is the one. I just put, okay, that was a fair way to do it because I just chose Zach Wilson because I'm like it's probably Zach Wilson.

You know, if Zach 

Bob Kelly: Wilson starts, he's 32, in my opinion. 

Dave Clarke: Okay, so funny 'cause I had him at 29, and I'll tell you who I have in between, but I had Zach Wilson at 29 and it was, Hey, why, why don't you do, why 

Bob Kelly: don't you give me 32 through. What do you think that, 27 is that first tier? 

Dave Clarke: Okay, okay, great. Yeah, sure, sure, sure.

32 through 26. And we'll compare those. We'll compare those. Maybe they're all the same guys in different order. 

Bob Kelly: They [00:08:00] might be. They might be. That's why I'm curious. 

Continuing the Quarterback Rankings Discussion

Bob Kelly: 32, Mac 

Dave Clarke: Jones. 31, Tommy DeVita. 30, Bryce Young. That's a lot more to do with where his team at than, than is at, than him. But like he carries some of that responsibility.

I do. I think he's probably more like I do, I think he has more talent than the rest of this tier. Yes, I do, but he, his team is so fucking bad that like you have to be here and that's a factor. Uh, so Mac Jones, Tommy of YouDo, Bryce Young, Zach Wilson. Derek Carr, Desmond Ritter.

And do you, do we, do I go to 26? Are you looking at me expectantly? So, no, no, no, that's 

Bob Kelly: fine. Yeah, that's fine. I was getting my list back up. My bad. 

The State of the NFL and the Future of Quarterbacks

Bob Kelly: Okay. So I have, it is funny you have, I, I thought it was controversial ranking car where I did, but you have him even lower than I do. That's funny. He's terrible.

He's, he's so bad. Um, so I have whoever the jet quarterback is or, and [00:09:00] then Mac Jones, Bryce Young 30. 29, Mitch Strabisky. 28, Aiden O'Connell. Oh, 

Dave Clarke: okay. I have Kenny Pickett on my list. But he's, he got hurt, right? Does he hurt hurt, though? I, I thought he had the potential to actually play. Is he gonna play this week?

If he plays this week, he's higher, yeah, for sure. I would have Trubitsky in this tier if Trubitsky played. If 

Bob Kelly: he was there, right, okay. Okay, yeah, yeah. Uh, Aidan O'Connell, 28. Desmond Ritter, 27. I have DeVito, 26. I have DeVito, 26. We have the same 27. Desmond Ritter. Ritter's 27, yeah. Ritter's bad. Ritter's 

Dave Clarke: not good.

Okay, so none of these guys are any good at football. Yeah, this is bad. This is a bad tier. Did you have Bryce Young in there? Yeah, 30. Okay, I had him at 30 also. Okay, cool. I mean, these guys are all just bad at football, Bob. Who's your 29? 

Bob Kelly: 29 was Mitch Trubisky, uh, 28 Aiden O'Connell. [00:10:00] 

Dave Clarke: That's really unfair to Aiden O'Connell. Is it? Is it? Well, well, your, your assessment of Aiden O'Connell is that he's, he's like the same as Mac Jones. I, I thought there's a lot of promise. 

Bob Kelly: I guess there is, yeah, no, I guess you're right, but like, but do you trust Tim so, so, above, wait, wait, I'll start my next tier, okay, because I view all these guys kind of in the same tier.

I want to 

talk 

Dave Clarke: about fucking Aiden O'Connell though, I don't understand why you're being so unfair to him. 

Bob Kelly: No, no, we 

Dave Clarke: will, we will, we will. I love him until like the fun rookie quarterback. Wait, wait, wait, hang 

Bob Kelly: on, hang on. So, Mac Jones. And whoever the Jets quarterback is to me are a tear, tear on their own.

They're the worst of the worst. They, they, they are 

Dave Clarke: unwatchable at, at football. I mean, I think that, but I also, but I also think that like, if I was, if I was comparing Mack Jones and say Zach Wilson, the Jets quarterback, we've watched the most. I would rather. I, I might rather Zach Wilson personally, because like, at least sometimes he like puts a little shimmy on and like gets eight yards or like, Oh shit, [00:11:00] he made like a decent little, like out, like an out throw, like to, Oh look, he can do a back shoulder pass.

Kind of like, I think the first three weeks made us think of Zach Wilson as a, as a joke. 

The Unpredictability of the NFL and the Impact on Betting

Dave Clarke: And he's not like gonna be an NFL starter by any stretch of the imagination come like this time next year, or even like sooner, but, or, I mean, he, he isn't even a guaranteed starter right now, but. At least he had someone about him from time to time, and he had Aaron Rodgers in his ear.

Matt Jones this year, I mean, there was a little bit of a whimper of Well, his offensive line and his wide receivers, and then he just like started throwing it directly to the other team. 

Bob Kelly: It's like, all right, cool. 

Dave Clarke: You know what, like, and then he also had the CJ Stroud thing happening where it's like, I don't know if they're worse than those guys.

And CJ Stroud is just like dropping fucking dimes to everybody, like, just learn to catch. Watch this. Whack. And he was just suited to the NFL game, like, not since Patrick Mahomes have we seen somebody just like. Understand the speed of the NFL. And I'm not saying he's Patrick Mahomes, but he's the [00:12:00] closest fucking thing we've had in a rookie.

Like, he's sick. So we'll talk about him way later in my fucking list, I'll tell you that much. but anyway, yeah, keep going. 

Bob Kelly: CS, I just 

Dave Clarke: want you to compare Sorry, I got excited. I got 

Bob Kelly: excited! I'm sorry. I like, I like this. This is fun. So I just want you to compare Aiden O'Connell with this next tier.

So I say the next tier goes from 26 to 21. Okay. Right. Usually I have, I have DeVito, Flacco, Because I liked what wrote 

Dave Clarke: Flacco too, except he just got put on the fucking practice squad, so I don't know who's going to start there. No, 

Bob Kelly: that's just, that's just, he's going to start. It's just 

Dave Clarke: the way they do it with the rosters.

Okay, fine. But he had a 

Bob Kelly: decent game. I like Flacco. He looked good, but I thought it was a renaissance game. It was a renaissance game for him. Calm down, calm down. 

Dave Clarke: No, he had a decent game. He should be the starter next week. That's, we're drawing the 

Bob Kelly: line. That's, well, that's what I mean. I like him at 25.

Although there is the joke. I like him at 25. 

Dave Clarke: There is the Joe Flacco thing, right, where it's like, we [00:13:00] said, we were like, if you had told me that he was gonna go win that Super Bowl, like, this time that year, I would have been like, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, Joe Flacco's gonna go have a crazy playoff. But like, but 

Bob Kelly: like, bro, I just trust him to make the throws when they need to be made.

More than anyone that I've read so far. Sure. 

Dave Clarke: I like Aiden O'Connell. I think I'm gonna tap him right now because he might actually be 

Bob Kelly: something. But I like his future better. I don't know if he was on the Browns, if the Browns would have a better chance to make the 

Dave Clarke: playoffs. Oh dude, I don't, I think that they would.

You think they would? Did you see his game? Like, I feel like his game is actually exclusively suited to the kind of receivers they have in Cleveland. He just needs little like Playmates, guys. Yeah, okay. You know, like him. He's the 

Bob Kelly: guy that can find the sidelines when 

Dave Clarke: It got, yeah, it got me like a little bit excited when you said it, I'm like, yeah, I want to fucking throw in Amari Cooper, fuck yeah, dude, dude, 

Bob Kelly: what the fuck?

and then I have Jake Browning, just because of last night, I thought [00:14:00] he looked pretty good 

Dave Clarke: last night. I had him a little high, I had him a little higher because of last night. I really genuinely thought some of those, some of those throws to Chase were like, elite. 

Bob Kelly: Yeah, they were great throws. Will Levis.

Because also, he can make a leap, deep 

Dave Clarke: ball throws. We have almost the same second tier. I 

Bob Kelly: have Carr, I have Carr at 22, which I thought was going to be controversial. Right. You have him at fucking like 28. 28. Maybe not. And then Dobbs at 21. So there's my answer from earlier in the season. Okay. And this is even after one bad Dobbs game where there is 11 quarterbacks.

Dave Clarke: Two bad Dobbs games, but 

Bob Kelly: yeah. Two. Well, the first one wasn't necessarily his fault. There's a lot of bad fucking plays 

Dave Clarke: in that game. The interceptions read the same on the stat sheet 

Bob Kelly: though. Second one was really bad. That was a terrible 

Dave Clarke: game against the Bears. I thought the Bears defense played well. It was the worst football game I've ever watched in my life.

I don't think that's true at all. I I, I don't even understand how you say that. I, there was so many turnovers. That's like what you want. That's what you want. There was so many fucking turnovers. It was [00:15:00] exciting. And also you even admitted, you were like, all this turnovers were garbage. I was like, Jalen Johnson's interception was like a full on Ed Reed move.

He like fucking. Dummy towards the quarterback and then saw him throw it and like just cycled back and just took it out of the air. It was a fucking elite interception. It was one of my favorite plays of the year. And I know that I'm, I know that I'm biased. It was an awesome play. It was. It's not high scoring.

And yeah. Are either of the teams good? No. But what? There's been worse Thursday night football games this year. There 

Bob Kelly: was like fucking It was Monday night. It was Monday night. It was Monday night football. 

Dave Clarke: There's been worse Thursday night football games this year though. That's prime time. I don't know if there's been one.

No, I thought it was fun. It was fun. I enjoyed it. I was in a fucking hotel room in Indianapolis. I was just delighted 

Bob Kelly: that the fuck was going on. You just, yeah, right. 

Dave Clarke: There was nothing. I was like, my day was over. They play three hours later over there. I understand. So I'm like done with work and I'm like in my fucking, the TV's big and I'm like, I need to 

Bob Kelly: watch the Bears game.

In that game, bro, I needed, uh 

Dave Clarke: That's why you were mad, because you're always betting on the fucking Bears and then getting pissed. 

Bob Kelly: I'm like, [00:16:00] don't bet on the Bears. I do bet on the Bears. You bet on the Bears all the time. Way too much. 

Dave Clarke: Way too much. You know why? You know why? Because, because they're like so good at making you forget how bad they are, because then you start thinking about their players, or you start thinking about a couple 

Bob Kelly: of things they did.

The odds are always so juicy, man. Yeah, or you're like, oh, it's a, it's a, it's a tight end. I add them to the end, I'll add them to the end of a four legger. Oh yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh, 

Dave Clarke: so, so my parlay would go, you're like, Justin Fields. Like Justin Fields. My 

Bob Kelly: parlay would go from 400 to four grand, Justin. And I'm like, bro, Justin, risky.

Let's go. Yeah, we, 

Dave Clarke: we wouldn miss it. Justin Fields frisky. Oh, they had like six interceptions last week. Maybe. That fucking defense found its identity, you know, like that. I'm just saying, they, they always tease me back in. It's so upsetting. My entire, you're just feeling what I'm feeling all season. Okay, I'm going to tell you my, what was it, 26 to 22.

Yeah, go ahead. 26, Gardner Minshew. So I think he's a little worse than you think he is. I have my, yeah. Flacco. Because for the same reasons that you said. Like, I just trust him, I trust him 11. 6 percent more [00:17:00] than the cumulative total of everyone I've said already. Aiden O'Connell. That's exactly what I was feeling.

Yeah. Aiden O'Connell. Because, of all the reasons, I thought he looked pretty good, and I thought everyone forgot about the Raiders, and they should, the Raiders have been crossed off, but, that's a little spark, if I was a Raiders fan, I'd be very happy about Aiden O'Connor right now, I'd be like, this is great, and we're just gonna, they're just gonna showcase him for the, for the second half of the season, they're just gonna let him just do whatever the fuck he wants, pressures off, perfect situation for a young quarterback, a rookie quarterback, to walk into, and I just, I think that that is, It's made the Raiders watchable again.

You can actually like turn on a Raiders game. And I think that's impressive. I'm not saying he's doing what CJ Stroud has been doing, but he's doing some. 23, Will Levis. Will Levis is my 23. I like Levis, man. He's all right. I, I'm really upset. I, I've never liked how the Titans play football under Vrabel. I, I've never enjoyed it.[00:18:00] 

I, I think that Derrick Henry was exciting for two seasons, and I think everybody knew that by how he ran, his window was going to be incredibly small, and He still looks good, though. He still looks good. He looks, he looks alright, but I mean, is, was there a time you would have said he was the number one running back in the NFL by a fair margin?

Yeah. Well And is he that now? Or is he like No, definitely not. Five? Definitely not. Or six, maybe? 

Bob Kelly: He's probably, uh, around six. I think that's, I think that's 

good. 

Dave Clarke: Sure, without like looking up all the running backs, he might be the sixth best running back. So his, so his window is closed, Vrabel, the Vrabel experiment's over and that whole place gives me a little bit of a, like a, a necrotic vibe.

It's, it looks like a dying star and it's just like, they, they looked good for like that. Like, remember they lost too early in the playoffs that year? Like they lost way too early or for like what the hype shows. Yeah, it was two, two years. 2020, 22. Two years in a row. Yeah. Two years in a row. Both of them.

And it was like, ooh, we all kind of wanted a [00:19:00] like variable, but I don't know if he's really got it. Do you give him a renaissance? You give him a second coming with, with Will Levis? Maybe. Does Will Levis? look like a guy? Like, do you think so? I think he looks better than everyone else, and I think that speaks, that I just named, but I think that speaks to the fucking turgid, fucking, uh, bottom of the list.

There's a lot of bad quarterbacks on this list 

Bob Kelly: already. There is. And so, I sent this to my buddy to save it, like, he, uh, loves doing, like, lists and shit like that, and I sent it to him, the first thing he sent to me was, it's really sad that you can find eight quarterbacks better than Tommy DeVito, or worse than Tommy DeVito in the NFL right now.

Dave Clarke: I couldn't. I 

Bob Kelly: couldn't. I can only find one. You couldn't. You couldn't. But like, even, even 

Dave Clarke: Will Levin. For that reason. 

Bob Kelly: It's sad that we can find 

Dave Clarke: I agree with your buddy there. I agree with your buddy. That's why I put him at 31. Like, I put him at 31 on principle. Cause I was like, I'm not putting Tommy DeVito any fucking higher on this list.

I'm going to go find [00:20:00] motherfuckers that I would rather have than this guy. So I put him at 31 because I was mad at Mack Jones too, because he's made some of the stupidest passes I've ever seen in my life this season. Like genuinely some of the stupidest passes I've ever seen from a professional quarterback.

And I was like, kind of interested in the Brady Quinn season. So, like, that tells you something, right? I'm sure your equivalent experience was like the Tim Tebow season, you know? I'm sure it's just some bad passes. 

Bob Kelly: But he won. Tim Tebow won, bro. God got 

Dave Clarke: involved in this shit. Forget it. I'm not reliving that.

I'm not. We did that one already, like, a couple weeks ago. It was depressing. I have Josh Dobbs at 22 and Jake Browning at 21. 

Bob Kelly: Okay, that's fair. That's good. Recency bias is a 

Dave Clarke: real thing. I like it. It is. It is. And I, you know, I was a little surprised because I think the Jaguars, like we've discussed are not bad, but they really have these trick or treat games.

And they're always like the weird games. Like, I don't know, like they do good in London, but then they don't do good. You know, I don't know. They don't do good on Monday night. [00:21:00] That's weird. Like that was their showcase game. That was kind of their moment. It was like a Joe Burrell less Bengals. You got to go beat them, right?

And now it's like, ah, you guys are frauds. This is just that time of the season. What's the next tier? 

Bob Kelly: So my, I would say 19 through What was your 20? Oh, 

Dave Clarke: 20 is Minshew. Oh, got it. Mine was Kenny Pickett. 

Bob Kelly: Yeah, I think they're, yeah, they're about even if Pickett was, if Pickett was here, he'd probably be right around here for me, if he was on my 

Dave Clarke: list, yeah, for sure.

Right, and I would have had Scherbitsky back where you had him, so we're still pretty much on the same tiers, honestly. 

Bob Kelly: Yeah, yeah, for sure. So I would say the next tier is 19 through 

Dave Clarke: 14. Okay. Do you want me 

Bob Kelly: to do yours? I'll go first. So I have Howell. Okay, I have him. Kyler Murray. I have him. Baker [00:22:00] Mayfield.

I have him. Justin Fields, 16. I have him. So that was 19, 18, 17. Fields, 16. Stafford, 15. Love, 14. 

Dave Clarke: Okay, yeah, I have all the exact same players. In different order? In different order, but I have all the exact same players. Baker Mayfield, 19. Sam Howell. Cause honestly, this is a pick up. I don't even disagree with you.

Like, I don't even disagree with your numbers. But like, this is the most on point tier of the entire list. Like, this tier is exact. Cause you know what? I'm 100 percent sure that all these guys belong in this fucking tier. And I'm disappointed. 

Bob Kelly: It's exactly where they belong. 

Dave Clarke: I will say that Murray and Fields Are there, and potentially Jordan Love, are there for, uh, uh, a short period of time?

And I think Sam Howe and, and Baker Mayfield are that or worse, right? Like that's like how the tier 

Bob Kelly: breaks up. 

The Kirk Cousins Tier of Quarterbacks

Bob Kelly: No, that's what they are. One of, it's not going to be all three. This is, this is, this is the, uh, the Kirk Cousins tier. That's what we're calling it. Yeah, he would be around. This is the Kirk Cousins tier.[00:23:00] 

Yeah. He would be, he would be, he would be where Jordan Love is if he was on this list. I think he's a little bit more regular. He would probably be higher now. But yeah, I agree, that's rough, that's rough, you're 

Dave Clarke: right. That's a little, we're pretty mean to Kirk Cousins on this podcast, but I think he's probably higher than all these guys in the regular season.

So I got Baker Mayfield, 19, Sam Howell, 18, Jordan Love, 17, Justin Fields, 16. I'm not putting the Packers guy above the Bears guy on my list, I'm sorry. Uh, Kyler Murray, 15. And Kyler Murray, 15, because He's actually kind of a stud, to be honest with you, like, I got him where he's pretty 

Bob Kelly: sick. He did, he did, he did one this past week.

Dave Clarke: He did and it was because of him, you know, and he kind of cut up a defense that fucks up everybody. And he was like, well, what about this? And he just like looked great, you know, and I think he's looked great before. And I think it's disappointing that this injury is weird and we don't really know what the fucking deal was.

And it's a weird that he's coming out to play, like, I thought they were just going to ice him for the season, but it's good for them, I guess. 

The Potential of Jordan Love and the Future of the NFL

Dave Clarke: But [00:24:00] also, you got rid of DeAndre Hopkins, so it's like, you know, that was at least a watchable offense before, and now they made themselves probably the second or third worst team in the league, so, yeah, it was a good week, but like, Kyler's just like on an island over there, it's upsetting.

Fields, like, I think has had a little bit of a start stop start season, I think that there was like a lot of bad training camp. Like, stucco on the first couple of games, and I think that there was like, been real flashes of brilliance from him this season, like genuine flashes of brilliance, and it's, it looks different than last season, but not, you know, I think he still kind of got a thing if we get Marvin Harrison Jr.,

and we have him and DJ Moore, I mean, the sky's the fucking limit, you know, so, you know, I think he still got a thing, um, if we get Marvin Harrison Jr., and we have him and DJ Moore, I mean, the sky's the fucking limit, you know, so, I, I'm not putting fields any lower than this, and Jordan Love, like, absolutely a fraud.

Absolutely a fucking fraud. That was a game plan. I don't know, man. Fuck that. I'm not doing this 

Bob Kelly: again. This is three weeks in a row, bro. Three weeks in a row he looks good. 

Dave Clarke: So, 'cause the gas pedal's un pressed, but he, he, the season's already fucked. 

Bob Kelly: He's [00:25:00] got, he's, he, he looks, he looks like Aaron Rogers when he's out there.

No, he doesn't, don't buy into 

Dave Clarke: this. Yes he does. Fucking narrative, dude. Don't buy into this narrative. Don't buy 

Bob Kelly: into this. Watch him play. He looks like I watched him. I've watched him. He looks like him. I've watched He has the same mannerisms and shit, that's not gonna work. Next tier, next tier. He's not that.

I know 

Dave Clarke: he's not. I'm just kidding. And honestly, if he is Bobby, I'm gonna fucking kill myself. Yeah, you If he is, I'm gonna fucking kill myself, I swear to God. This podcast will be over. I'm gonna fucking kill myself if he's Aaron Rodgers. You better hope he's not fucking Aaron Rodgers. You better fucking hope, cause I can't do that thrice.

I cannot do that thrice. I'm not doing it. Who, who, who would? Who would? Who would do that? A third time? A third 

Bob Kelly: trimester? I don't blame you. I don't blame you. 

Dave Clarke: No, I'm not accepting that. I'm not accepting that. I'm not letting that energy into this, into this conversation. I'm not. I'm not doing it. You got me fucking all riled up right there.[00:26:00] 

Sorry. I see what you're saying. But 

Bob Kelly: I can't. I can't. It's the mannerisms, bro. That's what it is. It's 

Dave Clarke: Kree. He's 

Bob Kelly: just doing a weird, bad impression. That's, that's what it seems like. 

Dave Clarke: Go ahead. Fourteen, thirteen, twelve are very similar for me, and you could maybe make a case for eleven and ten in there too, but I would say they're a little bit of their own thing.

So let me just tell you. Fourteen, Stafford. Thirteen, Geno Smith. Twelve, Jared Goff. 11, Russell Wilson, which this might be unfair, uh, 10, Justin Herber. 

Bob Kelly: I have, I have Lawrence at 12, to be honest. I have Goff and Lawrence. Wow, that's low! Yeah, you have Lawrence. Controversial! Yeah, I'm kind of annoyed at Trevor Lawrence, bro.

I just, I just think he's a fraud, to be honest, man. 

Critique on the Jaguars' Performance

Bob Kelly: I think when it comes down to it. How many times have [00:27:00] we seen the Jags in a big game? Or a game they need to win on primetime or something like that. And he just can't get it done, man. He can't get the job done. 

Discussion on the Chargers' Game

Bob Kelly: Even that Chargers game that they won.

Look back at that first half and how bad that dude was in that first half. Listen, I know they came back and won. I get it. I think it was mostly Chargers. I'm just not sold. I'm not sold on him, man. And it, like, I feel like it always gets hurt. I know it's controversial. But, it's recency bias. You know, that game last night, bro, I just, I can't believe they lost that game.

I can't, I can't believe he just, he just lost to fucking Jake Browning. Come on. In a must win situation, where you're, you're trying to pull away from the division, on prime time? Can't do that. Can't do that. You're 12. Sorry. Okay, but there is like And he might be hurt. And he might be hurt. That's also why he's this slow.

He's 

Dave Clarke: hurt. 

Analysis of the Jacksonville Team

Dave Clarke: I don't know if I've ever really [00:28:00] believed in this, in this Jacksonville team and I think that you've been higher on them than I have for this season. Like I, I, like you've been talking about their skill players. It's pretty clear. I know, but you've been talking about their skill players all year.

Like you've been talking about Etienne, you've been talking about Zay Jones, you, you took Zay Jones off me for that reason. You were high on him and you're waiting for him to come, like in fantasy, and you're waiting for him to fucking come back from injury and he did look good last night. Zay Jones was like catching little dimes on the sidelines and shit last night.

He was looking good. And I think the offense still, still was sort of rolling. 

Debate on the Cincinnati Bengals' Performance

Dave Clarke: But I also think that the, the, the Cincinnati Bengals being Joe Burless is obviously a death sentence for their Super Bowl wins, but that doesn't not make them like a good team across the, across the board. And, and they've been in prime time a lot.

You know, like, they're, and if they, and their coaching staff is good, and it's like, just big up the fucking kid, throw him the ball, and let him fucking go out there and try to win, and also, they've been dealing with a Joe Burrow injury all season, you know, like, they've had a few weeks to kind of think about it, you know, like, they've, they're, they're sort of able to game plan and be ready for this, because [00:29:00] if we're being honest, they knew he wasn't fully healthy all year, even if they didn't tell the reporting committee, so, The Bengals are decent still.

I mean, obviously Burrow going is bad, and it's not, they're not gonna win shit, but like, is there that much shame in losing to the Cincinnati Bengals? And on Monday Night Football, they've been there before. 

Bob Kelly: Yeah, I guess not, but he's also hurt. 

Dave Clarke: I don't know. 

Opinions on the Jacksonville Market

Dave Clarke: I'm fully ready to do Jacksonville's frauds because that market sucks.

I don't want them to be good anyway. Fuck them. It's like one of the worst markets in football. 

Comparison of Different Sports Teams

Dave Clarke: It happens in basketball all the fucking time. Like, one of the shittiest markets is like, oh yeah, cool. The Vancouver Grizzlies. Yeah. Oh, cool. The Pelicans 

Bob Kelly: have Zion. I'm playing NBA after this, actually. You just made me want to 

Dave Clarke: play it.

Oh, great. The New Orleans Pelicans. That's the least liked sports team on earth. 

Bob Kelly: What a terrible, like, non intimidating name too, the fuck of Pelicans, you know? 

Dave Clarke: It's New Orleans. Like the fucking, you know, [00:30:00] like they couldn't have done something, there's so much cool shit about New Orleans. It's like 

Bob Kelly: Pelicans?

You could have called them like the saxophones. 

Dave Clarke: I think that because the dude owns the Saints and I think he was like, I fucking hate basketball and he bought the team and just made him a joke. He was like, fuck it. Like, I don't even care, fuck the people. 

Bob Kelly: Sorry, Craig. What? We've definitely been cursing this 

Dave Clarke: entire time.

Oh, I think when he said cursed, he was like, can we actually pull it off? No. I think we can still curse. I wasn't planning on not fucking cursing. 

Bob Kelly: Yeah, come on, like, come on. 

Dave Clarke: Alright, um. 

Ranking of Top Quarterbacks

Dave Clarke: So, give me your 17 to 12, or 17 

Bob Kelly: to 10. No, we already did it. 

Dave Clarke: Oh wait, sorry. 14 10. 

Bob Kelly: Yeah, so, uh, Jordan Love, Geno Smith, 13, same, Trevor Lawrence, 12, Russell Wilson, 11, and Herbert, 10.

Dave Clarke: Yeah, 11 same, too. Alright, you had, I mean, you had a controversially low Trevor Lawrence. Yeah, and I 

Bob Kelly: [00:31:00] have got nine. I think, I think that's a tier right there. Nine through 13. 

Dave Clarke: Okay, I'm gonna drop a bomb on you. Ready? What? 

Discussion on Josh Allen's Performance

Dave Clarke: I have Josh Allen at nine. I have him at eight. Oh, fuck, really? That's hilarious. That's hilarious.

He hasn't done shit to earn a higher spot than this. I agree. 

Bob Kelly: He's, he's, he's not, no longer a part of that 

Dave Clarke: top tier. I don't care anymore. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not here for it. Prove it. You 

Bob Kelly: know. I love how you haven't said a certain name yet. It's gonna be a while, I think. Who am I missing? No, no, no. We'll get to it.

Alright. Uh, so, 

Dave Clarke: so, so. I have Trevor Warren to date, for the record. You have 

Bob Kelly: Trevor Warren to date? Okay. Who'd you have at nine? Uh, Goth. 

Dave Clarke: All right, so pretty similar. Yeah. I've seen Jay Stroud. 

Bob Kelly: Stroud at seven? Yeah. Michael O. René Wimar at six? 

Dave Clarke: No, I've brought Purdy at six. Purdy 

Bob Kelly: [00:32:00] at six? Okay, okay. 

Dave Clarke: I was trying to, to not have recency bias with the Purdy thing, because I was convinced that the Eagles were due for that game, I've been saying it on this show for weeks, I was, I've been convinced that they were due for a shellacking, all their wins have looked unconvincing, somebody was watching the fucking tape, somebody was gonna figure out how to beat them in a, in a way like this, I've been saying it, so Does that mean I don't believe in Brock Purdy?

No, I've believed in Brock Purdy since the start and I, and I didn't get off the bus when everybody, uh, when everybody sort of were like, oh, he had three bad games in a row or whatever, but I couldn't make a case for him over anyone else above him. And that's why he's at six. And it's just because of the five above them.

Talent 

Bob Kelly: wise, I get it, I get it. So I guess if I was doing it by talent, he probably would have been at six. It's talent's 

Dave Clarke: part of it, and obviously the performance is part of it, and obviously, you know, [00:33:00] I think if before this Eagles game, I might have had Brock Purdy, like, potentially below CJ Stroud.

Potentially below Josh Allen, potentially below Trevor Lawrence, but this week, I think brings him to six. I can't just, it's my first list. I can't just like decide that he's at two because then I've got too much work to do to get him. 

Bob Kelly: You know what I mean? I, I get that. I, I just kind of looked at it as like a power rankings of quarterbacks, I guess, where it 

Dave Clarke: was.

But you look at the fucking power rankings differently than I do. I, I still like, think we should be factoring in like what their on paper roster looks like. Or what their bottled talent looks like. So this is where we really differ at the top in the elite, in the elites. Because where'd you have Brock Purdy?

Like, way higher? I have a three. Oh, okay. Wow. All right. See, we switched our three and our six because I have Lamar at three. Okay. 

Bob Kelly: Which makes sense. Which makes sense. Yeah. Maybe I'm just a fucking, like So does that mean you have Jaylen to a four or five? No. No? You have Dak four? All right. Go ahead. [00:34:00] All right.

So give me, give me

Debate on the Top Five Quarterbacks

Dave Clarke: Alright, I'm just gonna do five to one, I'm gonna, we should, we talked about C. J. Stratton kinda, so it's fine. Five to one is Dak, Tua, Lamar, Jaylen, Patrick, Mahomes. Okay. Uh, is that unfair to Dak? Is that unfair to Dak? You're saying Dak should be three? Two? 

Analysis of Dak's Performance

Bob Kelly: I think Dak should be, I, I have Dak I have Dak a fuckin one, bro.

You have Dak a one? A one. I have Dak a one. If you're If you're You're telling me one quarterback right now is playing the best I get it. Go look at the stats. No, I get it. Go look at the stats. It's crazy how 

Dave Clarke: good he's playing right now. I already understand. Since their bye week, since the Cowboys bye week, Dak has been the best quarterback in the NFL.

I'll just say [00:35:00] it. Jaylen Hurts has been a little hurt. Patrick Mahomes is a terrible receiving core. Lamar Jackson had a couple iffy games. Tua is Tua, so we're never going to give him credit while Tyreek is there. However, however, um, all those people, I, I, I really, I wanted to put him over Tua and looking at it, I think I should have put him over Tua.

I think he should, I think Tua should be five and Dak should be four, but cause I can't really, now that I'm really parsing it out, I can't really make a case for Tua over Dak right now. I can't. I mean, I think he's playing really well. There's a reason he's in the top five, 

Bob Kelly: but he's got the best cadence in the NFL right now.

Dave Clarke: That is the worst go, that is the worst cadence in the history of the NFL. It, it honestly is like fucking, like nails on a chalkboard in my fucking ear. It's making the cowboys less fun. I, 

Bob Kelly: I, I, I have learned to enjoy it. It's, it's, it's grown on me [00:36:00] over time because I know Jack Dak isn't, and his swag is 

Dave Clarke: like herpes, like her, like herpes.

Bob Kelly: I just dak Dak D's got that swag going right now, bro. He's got that. He's rolling. Did you see him go up and flex on that dude last, 

Dave Clarke: Thursday? 

Bob Kelly: Went 

Dave Clarke: right up to his face and shook. 

Bob Kelly: I know he's not one. I get, I get he shouldn't be above that. He's gotta 

Dave Clarke: do it to a good team. He's gotta do it to a good team.

He's doing it to the fucking Seahawks on their way 

Bob Kelly: down. Let's see it this week. I agree. Let's see it this week. It's just not enough. If we get, if we get this D again this week, he is the MVP Frontrunner. Agreed. If he beats, 

Dave Clarke: if he beats the Eagles, he should have the, he's MVP frontrunner. If he beats the Eagles, he should have the mvp.

Yeah, and if, and I'll also stipulate if it's because of him. Because of him, right. If it's the Seahawks game, that's, that's, Dak won that game. By 

Bob Kelly: himself. He was so good in that game, man. The defense didn't do shit. The defense didn't do shit. He was so 

Dave Clarke: good in that game. And Dak just ran the fuck off the floor with him.

It was a little clock management stuff at the end I had issues [00:37:00] with, but I think I might blame McCartney for that, McCarthy for that. I don't trust him yet, I just don't. And I think that there's precedent for my feelings. I 

Bob Kelly: don't blame you. I don't trust you. I don't, I don't listen. This isn't a trust list.

Okay. This is, this is, this is, 

Dave Clarke: I fell in love with my list. I was nervous that my list was going to hurt my feelings.

Bob Kelly: Jack number one. It's fine. I have my homes too. Yeah. My homes probably should be one of them. Where's 

Dave Clarke: Jaylen Hertz 

Bob Kelly: at four? Um, yeah. Yeah. Four. Jaylen 

Dave Clarke: Hurts is like, gonna win the MVP, 

Bob Kelly: bro. 

Dave Clarke: Not if Jack wins this week. Right, I know, but like, come on, like, who's been the frontrunner for the whole season? Probably Jaylen Hurts, right?

Maybe Mahone. Right now 

Bob Kelly: it's Brock. Right now it's Purdy, bro. Purdy's number [00:38:00] one. 

Dave Clarke: That'd be sick. That'd be sick. I would celebrate that. I would genuinely celebrate that. That 

Bob Kelly: would be, he's the front runner plus, plus 300. And then I think, uh, but can check, I think Jaylen's two and Dak is three. The 

Dave Clarke: king of the Checkdown, fucking only Brock Purdy can like, could like throw a one yard, fucking pass to Debo Samuel and have Divo Samuel put on some of the craziest Deon Hester moves in the world to just fucking waltz into the fucking end zone.

And everyone would be like, maybe Brock Purdy's the MVP , which reminds me. Of when Tina Fey was presenting a Lifetime Achievement Award at George Clooney and she was like, his wife is a, uh, ambassador to the UN and a human rights attorney and has like won the Nobel Prize for such and such. And uh, tonight her husband is receiving a Lifetime Achievement Award.

I mean, I think Brock has had some great games, but like, I just watched Ibo Samuel put on probably the receiving performance of the year. Again, it's the fuckin Eagles, 

Bob Kelly: like that was He was [00:39:00] so good in that game, man. He was so 

Dave Clarke: good. He was just fuckin sick, like he was just doing whatever he wanted. He was waltzing around the place, you know?

He just, he looked taller than everybody else. He looked, he looked, he was regal, regal on the field, and I, and I just think that that's who we should be, so we should do a wide receiver tier list next week. That's who we should be, we should be celebrating, uh, this week, to be honest. Yeah, 

Bob Kelly: I agree, I agree. He was 

Dave Clarke: the MVP of the week, 

Bob Kelly: I'll tell you that much.

He was so good, he was so good. Hammered deck, hammered deck. 

Dave Clarke: Would you give, um, MVP to Tyree Killough, do you think there's a 

Bob Kelly: Yes, I I would They 

Dave Clarke: won't, because he's not a quarterback, but I mean His numbers are crazy. If 

Bob Kelly: anyone's ever gonna get it. Did not be a quarterback, it should be him. 

Dave Clarke: Have you like, have you been as impressed specifically this season as I have when you like see him accelerate?

By him? 

Bob Kelly: Yes. Like, he's been, he's been the fastest I've ever seen him this year. He's so fast. You know what I mean? He's, he's so fucking fast. He's unbelievable to watch. He's so crazy. It looks like a cheat code, bro. He's [00:40:00] always, he's always open, too, which is just the crazy part that like, 

Dave Clarke: it's unbelievable to watch.

When he accelerates on a slant, you literally get like shocked. I swear, me and my buddy, I swear to god, we went, whoa, like, and it's like, I got surprised, I've been watching him since he was winning Super Bowls in 

Bob Kelly: Kansas City. It's like he hits that Mario Kart zoom pad, you know what I mean? It's 

Dave Clarke: crazy!

Everyone else looks like they're running in fucking molasses. And you're just like, wait, hold on a second. How fast? And then he's just in the end zone. 

Bob Kelly: You think it's just the teal that 

Dave Clarke: makes him be faster? I don't know, bro. It's like you said, you remember you were like, Christian McCaffrey looks so fucking good in a San Francisco uniform.

I don't even remember what Tyreek Hill looked like in a fucking Chiefs uniform, to be honest with you. Like he looks, because the team's about him too. The team is about him. The team's built around him, you know? And they 

Bob Kelly: got Tyreek Hill and they're like, you know what we should do? We should get a bunch of these guys.

Yeah. We should keep with, we should I like this one, we should do that all, all over the place. Mike 

Dave Clarke: McDaniel has built Madden franchises. He has built [00:41:00] Madden franchises, like in his life. I 

Bob Kelly: swear to God, it's such a video game franchise. Just sorted the draft by speed. You know what I mean? Oh yeah. Sort by speed, draft accordingly.

Let's go. I know how it rolls, bro. I know how you do. That's beautiful. I'm gonna try that. I've never even done that. Yeah, it's a 

Dave Clarke: good way to do it. I'm always trying to make the Bears into like a ball hawk defense. And like the franchise always just makes me like number one at rushing yards defended and number one at rushing yards on the ground.

And I'm always like, what? I got everybody that I was supposed to get and did like a 3 4 storm. Like I should be catching fucking interceptions, but instead I'm still stopping the run. 

Bob Kelly: I hate the new one. I stopped playing it actually. I only got like a trial and I was pumped because fuck that game. I went to the franchise and have like dynamic fatigue or some shit, right?

Oh yeah, that happened to me. I got three. And I was in the playoffs and 

Dave Clarke: all my bad apps were in shit. That exact same thing happened to me. 

Bob Kelly: Bro, I was in, like, I tried to fix it, 

Dave Clarke: but it's like, fixed it. I 

Bob Kelly: figured out how to fix it. It's such a bad game design [00:42:00] that I was just like, bro, I'm out. It's really lame.

You can't get the most 

Dave Clarke: Basic of, of, 

Bob Kelly: of functions right in a franchise where my backup's coming in the fucking Super Bowl. Get the fuck out of 

Dave Clarke: here. I know. I was so devastated the first time. What kind of game is 

Bob Kelly: this? You know what I mean? 

Dave Clarke: Like, what is that? And there was not a ton of online resources helping you with it.

You know, a lot of people online were like, you're fucked, start your franchise over. I'm like, what? Anyway, I finally figured it out. But you know what's happening to me now is my fucking salary cap is like, you can't win four Super Bowls in a row and expect to keep everybody on the fucking roster. That's just the game pressures you into making your team shitty again, which makes sense because the NFL pressures teams into making their team shitty again.

That's like how the parody is kept in the National Football League. oKay. I think we did it. I think we did the Power Rankings show. I think it was a, it was a dedicated to the top 32 quarterbacks Power Rankings. I think that there's nothing novel that we can say about the [00:43:00] 10 best teams and the I think that's it, right?

Discussion on the Top Four Teams

Dave Clarke: Or should we do the top four? Yeah, let's do, I think that's a good idea. Cause like, okay, we talked about the Colts, we talked about the Texans, we talked about the Jaguars. We didn't really talk about the Lions, we sort of scribbled over Jared Goff, but I did tell you about those divisional games, bro. You did, yeah.

The fucking Lions, like, they might be frauds. We talked about the Dolphins. Do you think the Chiefs can still make a playoff run? I don't. Really? I don't. 

Bob Kelly: Bro, they Do you really trust those weapons to, to make a run? I mean, I, I I trust them so much, dude. But the thing is, is like, maybe, though, because they got fucked.

They got, we, we Oh, that P. I. was trash, dude. I've never, I've never Like, they should've won that game, though. I've never seen Like, they should've won that game, no? They should protest it. [00:44:00] I've never heard of a football team protesting it, but I would protest that. It was bad. Like, cause I've never seen It was just bad.

By the way, there was another 

Dave Clarke: one on Kelsey. I get that it was a Hail Mary, but there was another one on Kelsey for the last throw of the game. So, I mean, that was pretty fucking diabolical. It's cause they don't respect his receiving core at all. Like, Tyreek Hill's getting that call 11 times out of 10, you know?

Yeah, 

Bob Kelly: that's exactly what it is, it's cause they have no respect for MBS. That's exactly what happened. They don't. They're like, you know what, he sucks anyways, so fuck him. 

Dave Clarke: He probably was, he was probably doing some shit. He's probably gonna drop it. He's probably gonna drop it. Yeah. You probably weren't going to catch it anyway, you little bitch.

Bob Kelly: Mahomes is the man, though, for his reaction, I got to say. He was like, I mean, it is what it is, you know. Kept 

Dave Clarke: it pretty cool. Yeah, he was, he was pretty good 

Bob Kelly: about it. He's Mahomes, 

Dave Clarke: so. He kept it pretty cool. He definitely did keep it pretty cool. He's pretty chill. He probably has to deal with a lot of bullshit in his life already with the people that, like, live at his house.

So, he just [00:45:00] has to have like a, you know, he just has to have a cool, calm demeanor in his day to day life. And I feel like I'm not like that at all. You know, I'm very high strung. And, uh, that doesn't invite people like that. You know, they don't want to deal with me. They want to be around very chill, very rich men.

Yeah, yep. Um, Cowboys 4, I would have put them above the Eagles. 3 for the Eagles and 4 for the Cowboys, I would have put them above the Eagles. I 

Bob Kelly: would have put them above because of the record and they beat us. So I figured I'd wait a week, I'd wait a week before I put them above. They're still above us in the standings, I figured it was aggressive, you know.

Dave Clarke: I thought the Ravens could drop this week, no? I thought it was a good 

Bob Kelly: week for the Ravens, they didn't play and everyone else around them 

Dave Clarke: lost and it looked like shit. They went into that bye week like not. Yeah, but everyone else around them 

Bob Kelly: looked like shit 

Dave Clarke: this week. But a lot of times when you make these fucking [00:46:00] things, people with bye weeks get punished for not, especially if they go into the bye week not doing that good, except the Ravens are immune to that.

Like, you've done that to a lot of teams this year. No, it's just because everyone around them sucks. Almost everyone's been punished for the bye week. Almost everyone's been punished for the bye week. But who? I can't think of another team that wasn't. Who 

Bob Kelly: would I put above them? The Eagles got smoked. I could have put the Cowboys too, but that's aggressive.

No. To Cowboys two. That's impressive. Absolutely. The, the only team that makes sense to put it to with the way the week shook out with the way things are going is the fucking ravens. It's the only 

Dave Clarke: team That makes sense. Yeah. That's fair. All right. I'll take, I'll take, I take your point. I take your 0.49 ERs at one.

I agree. I mean, I, I the back above everyone else. Well, I just think I a, a victory like that. If that doesn't get you to number one of the power rankings with all the context that went into that game, then I don't know what we're doing here. You know, it's like, they've had a couple bad weeks, do I fully trust them?

No. Do I fully [00:47:00] trust fucking any team on this list? No. Do you? No. No. So, here we are. And essentially we're just playing fuckin Wild West, Cowboys and Indians. Fuckin 49ers number one because they won the shootout. Or Eagles. Or Eagles. Yeah, right? I think, um. Yeah, I was at Eagles. I think that the, I think that the Eagles.

Critique on the Eagles' Performance

Dave Clarke: have had obvious problems for the whole season. It's probably a large part to do with the fact that Jaylen Hurts is probably 45 percent more injured than they're letting on, you know, optimistically. He's been dealing with shit all year. He doesn't look the same as he did last year. Their red zone efficiency is diabolically bad.

Diabolically bad. Like, they score big plays on you, or they don't fucking score. And I think we've seen a team that's very similarly constituted to this team start their problems with red zone efficiency issues, and that's the Buffalo Bills. You look at the Buffalo Bills, and the first [00:48:00] red flag. That they couldn't get it done within 15 yards 

Bob Kelly: of the goal.

The red zone, that red zone, it was past two, three years now, and the fucking 

Dave Clarke: talking about it have looked just like that. Fuck their, fuck. The brotherly shove. They don't get to the one yard line, they just don't get there. You know, they, they stutter and fail in that, in those moments. And I think, I don't know, maybe it's, you know, there's a lot of fucking out routes and, and long plays in the, in the playbook that could be part of it.

I think it's because Jaylen Hurts is fucking hurt because he's running a lot 

Bob Kelly: less. The run game doesn't look as good, that's for sure, I 

Dave Clarke: agree. And like you said, at the start of the season, I think DeAndre Swift might be a little bit of a bitch. And like, what they do, what they do, is they 

Bob Kelly: target him, but they target him, yeah.

What's his name? Hated him. Hated him. That 

Dave Clarke: shit's all on tape, bro. And honestly, 

Bob Kelly: I don't Deuce Daly, Deuce Daly hates that 

Dave Clarke: dude. And, like, I don't agree with this, and I don't think this is, like, necessarily cool because, like, motherfuckers can, like, be, you know, fucked up for life from this shit, but did you not think that the fucking [00:49:00] 49ers targeted DeAndre Swift?

Like, they were, like, absolutely coming after him. They were literally, like, this guy's soft, let him get into space, and then fucking hit him really hard. They hit him with some questionable shots in that game, and it shut down, and, like, it was, like, it was, like, yeah, the Eagles are big, they're strong. But, like, the 49ers came in and just started delivering these, like, precise fuckin right hooks to them.

And it was like, yeah, dude, the tape has been there. Like, I've been sayin it, bro. Like, the fuckin the Eagles have looked so flawed. I was already convinced the Cowboys were gonna go beat them. Now I think they're gonna hit them twice on the second smack. Because that's just Mike McCarthy, just don't be as dumb as Bobby has thought you are this whole time.

Please just watch that tape and just do the same thing to them. Just kick them in the teeth. His play call has been great. So yeah. Agreed. 

Bob Kelly: Take the ball. Take the ball. I've been begging this dude to do it in big games like this. Take the fucking ball, go down the field, and make some fucking noise early.

You know what I mean? I've been [00:50:00] begging him to do it. And I just want him to do it.

Dave Clarke: Screens and like chips, like two guys run like a slightly offset route and one of them just chips the fucking, uh, the, the block, the, the, uh, defensive back to get CeeDee Lamb an extra like two and a half yards. I'd be like designing really shitty trick plays that are just like asshole trick plays for like three yards, like I don't respect you trick plays, you know?

I'd be fucking, I'd be doing, I'd be, I'd be doing, this is gonna, you're gonna hate this. I'd be doing running back draws. on 3rd and 6th. Ah, fuck you. Running back draws on 3rd and 6th, or read options on 3rd and 6th. Sounds like a terrible idea. No, I love it, because if they, because it's like, you only do those, this is the thing about plays like that, you do them on like, you've already got three first downs on the drive under your belt.

You know, you've got three first downs on the drive. You, like, you can see the blocking, the defense is a step behind you, and you run a little read option, and you're like, you can just see it. [00:51:00] And I think Dak can do that shit. They don't really run those, a ton of those plays for him. And you just, you just have this great opening drive on the fucking Eagles.

Like, you just go out there and style on them. If you get stuffed up at the like, you know, fourth and four on the goal line, right? You go, fake, fake field goal. You know, like, shit like that. Like, fuck it. Then you say, you turn around to your team, you go like, alright, we didn't get that because we're fucking around because these guys suck.

And secondly, now they're on the fucking, now they're in the safety zone. Go give me a fucking safety. I want those two points if I didn't get those three. You gotta go out there and you just gotta chip them up. That's what I saw a little bit from the 49ers. They look like the dolphins if the dolphins grew up in a rougher neighborhood, you know what I mean?

Like, it was just If they grew up in 

Bob Kelly: Philly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 

Dave Clarke: yeah, like anywhere in Philadelphia, you know what I'm saying? Am I Yeah, yeah. Do you see what I'm saying? I hear ya. 

Bob Kelly: We'll see. Eh, we'll see, man. I don't wanna, I don't wanna [00:52:00] count my chickens before they hatch, because I've seen this Cowboys team laying egg in this exact spot.

After big 

Dave Clarke: wins, coming off a high, we'll see, yeah, show it to me, 

Bob Kelly: let's see it. I wanna, I want my belief to finally be, to come to fruition, and, I knew 

Dave Clarke: you were gonna say come to fruition, wow, we're really on the same page right now, I knew that was the phrase you were looking for, isn't that great? Even with the 

Bob Kelly: week off, you know, we're still here.

Dave Clarke: We're coming off a rest. We're coming off a bye week, bro. You know, watch out. Watch out for the fucking power rankings team when they're coming off a fucking bye week. 

Closing Remarks

Dave Clarke: Thank you again so much to Mike and Ray for, uh, for doing the show last week. I thought they totally made it their own and I, I love it.

I loved it. I enjoyed listening to it. Um, I know Bob did too. But we're fucking back and, you know. The real estate is going up in value. So I love talking about football with you, Bob, as always. Thank you. And I'll see you next week for Missing the Point's official power ranking show. Maybe we'll do fucking tight ends next week or something.

[00:53:00] Like there's some funky, you know, like best left guards in the NFL. All right. Thank you everybody. Good night.