Ranking the Top NFL Teams: Who Will Dominate the Upcoming Season?

Bob Kelly: 0:06

Welcome, ladies and gentlemen. Days who's anyone doesn't matter. It's an exciting day. Football has arrived. It is what I like to call Christmas. In early August, Training campus started. Hall of Fame game is this week and that officially means the power ranking show for missing the point is back. So real BK, Bob Kelly here, as always, DK sizzle and special guests. I don't even know if we're going to call it a special guest this year. Ray Sean is in the house.

Dave Clarke: 0:42

It feels good to have you on the show.

Rayshawn Buchan: 0:44

I feel like welcome in Welcome in man, welcome. You know, listen, this wasn't the order for me because I wasn't getting you guys up. Taking us and ran with it throughout the year has become a staple of this, of this podcast, so I am beyond happy to be a part of the power waiting crew Once again. You're here, this crew again a lot in October for other reasons, but right now, why should it be really cool to be a part of this group? Right now I'm doing it, so let's get to it.

Bob Kelly: 1:11

Yeah, man, really happy to have you for another season of me doubting the chiefs and DK telling me all season that the chiefs really good and and I sit down. I thought. I'd get that earlier.

Rayshawn Buchan: 1:22

I'm like damn, I think you already pull a swing, oh yeah bro, he's, he's, you don't take prisoners here. We don't, we don't.

Dave Clarke: 1:31

This is basically almost all the different sports are directly related to how you watch a sport. You know where. The way we do basketball is all very flowy. We're all trying to. You know, play, make for each other, yeah.

Bob Kelly: 1:44

About different corners. Yeah, exactly.

Dave Clarke: 1:46

Oops, but football season you take no fucking prisoners. You're either right or fucking asshole. So it's just. It is what it is and yeah, the doubting the chiefs was that was a bold run.

Bob Kelly: 1:57

It didn't didn't, didn't work out man.

Dave Clarke: 1:59

It really hit me, frankly but it wasn't really.

Bob Kelly: 2:02

I don't know if it was doubting the chiefs more as, like, I guess it kind of was. Yeah, but I mean the chiefs are really fucking good and they want to know. Super Bowl Pat Mahomes is unreal and yeah, that's really where we start off the 2023 NFL season. A lot happened in the offseason before we really get into. You know ranking the teams are a good run down here. I was going to ask you what was your, what's your biggest storyline for the offseason and what do you think kind of implications going to have on the season DK.

Dave Clarke: 2:33

That's Roger's getting the fuck out of my division, dude. I mean honestly, I mean I hate to take the easy one. I had a backup prepared in case somebody else went first, but I I'm so glad he's gone, like at the end of the day, like I can be bullish about it and I can talk shit and I can be like whatever fuck that guy and he's a dick and like that. But at the end of the day, like when he did come out and play against us, like he did fucking destroy us for his entire career in Green Bay. So I'm hoping that the dogfight that's now going to happen between the rest of the teams in the NFC North, the bears come out on top. But at least it's. At least we have a fighting chance now. Like nobody's really stepped up and decided to claim like the elite status. In my division. There is going to be like a reckoning, a quickening, to try to find the new king of the NFC North, and I do think that we have the most talented quarterback, which is usually sort of the guy who comes and dominates. Now, that being said, there's points you could make about Kirk Cousins and the Vikings in the regular season, which is when the division standings really count. There's points you can make about the Lions shake up in the offseason this year. I'm sure stuff we're going to talk about, but we had some roster turns too and I think that the waves that went out in the NFC North are probably even more impactful than the ones that went out in Ray and Mike and Craig's division because, yeah, he landed in in New York but you guys have had to sort of prepare for star quarterbacks or had a star quarterback in that division for a long time. It's less of a ripple in that pond in my opinion, because it's like you're like the Pats are already dealing with like elite receivers in in Miami and a pretty decent if he can play I'm not really sure what's going on there. I haven't looked too much into it, but I heard too is like already hurt but like pretty like you guys have good teams plus Josh Allen. So it's like you guys have to play against those guys already. And the Jets I think that they were like everybody's favorite coming around the corner team last year and they have some like fun personalities, especially on the defensive side of the ball. They're a lot more hateable now that they have Aaron Rodgers, but he's not the same Aaron Rodgers and I think that there could be like a renaissance for him over there, like a lot of times, a new, you know, a Tom Brady in Tampa Bay or like moves like this. A lot of times they usher in some serendipity, but there will be waves in that division. There will be waves across the NFL, but it is the biggest stars movement, like as far as impact goes. But I really do think that our division is the one that's most impacted, because I think every team now goes is having the conversation that we're having, which is all right. Aaron Rodgers is just finally gone. It's time to get to the top of the heap here, because that was never going to happen while he was in Green Bay. As much as like it pains me to admit it, I can talk about it now that he's gone. Like I would probably be more bullheaded about it in past preview shows and past power ranking shows, because you know you got to stand your ground and tell this guy to go fuck himself.

Bob Kelly: 5:28

I feel a lot less hate coming from your Zoom square here.

Dave Clarke: 5:31

Yeah, yeah, it's not permeating, I mean you have to be a little bit in denial when you're in the situation I've been in from Brett Favre to Aaron Rodgers you know what I mean. It's like. It's like it's fucked and fucking sucked and it's like, of all the teams that have a chance to jump up, it's actually really interesting if you look at it from a neutral point of view. Obviously I want the Bears to be the winners of this contest, but all four teams have a chance of either retaining or grabbing that crown and varying levels of probability. So I think that there's a lot going on in the division. I think that's one of the hardest divisions to predict this season. I think it's really it's going to be really difficult to see how that one actually goes, which makes it interesting. Makes it interesting for me as a Bears fan. But also from the neutral point of view, you can talk about the Bears more this year which I would love to.

Bob Kelly: 6:12

Yeah. Well, you know. You know we're talking about Justin Fields. I love that fucking guy. So I completely agree. The turnover in the division definitely affects the NFC North more than it does the East, because I mean, the Jets were what eight and eight last year, I think.

Dave Clarke: 6:26

Rodgers and a lovable eight and eight. A lovable eight and eight. I thought you know.

Bob Kelly: 6:30

I think we're Rogers, they're probably 10 and six, which doesn't really turn the East upside down. The bills are still the bills, the dolphins are still the dolphins, but now, in the North, bro, the Vikings are literally the favorite in that goddamn division. That's absurd. That's the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard. Well, it makes sense though, doesn't it?

Dave Clarke: 6:44

Because they're right, they're right, they're regular season records have been like you know you know, past couple of years they won the division. It's, they're the regular season form is like proven, like it honestly is. I know we talk about this every year with Kirk Cousin going, kirk Cousin's going into the playoffs and like money night games and like all that stuff. But last year, like we knew, it was an inflated record but it was still enough, you know. So I just think the lines and the Bears have both churned their rosters a ton and like the Bears have done a ton of stuff. That I think coincides a little bit with Rodgers leaving but also Fields entering his third year, adding a bunch of protection for him, giving him more weapons, the trade with Carolina being an absolute fucking steal, with everything that happened, with, obviously, the first overall pick and everything. You know we didn't win that many games last year, so I wouldn't be surprised if people were still putting the Bears fourth in that division. But with Rodgers leaving, I mean the Packers I don't know who the fuck they even have at this point Like he took all his receivers with him, I don't even think Mason Crosby is playing there again next year to be honest, and I mean the fact that he went to the kicker second says everything, yeah, but I mean there's still the Packers is the thing. There's still the Packers like they're an institution and I don't know how long the turnaround is going to take.

Bob Kelly: 7:58

But we'll talk about it. We'll talk shit about the Packers soon. I promise Got it Right. Go Biggest, Biggest.

Rayshawn Buchan: 8:09

So, honestly, it's you know, and this is probably just a shot to DK, I'm going to stay right there, like he just alluded to it, but I'm. He said what's the biggest storyline, or let's say my favorite, is the pictures getting Bill of Riot and getting Matt LaTretz out of there. So I want to put that, I want to make that known.

Dave Clarke: 8:25

That was like minimum minimum system requirements, though that wasn't like a big yeah, but you have to do that yeah.

Rayshawn Buchan: 8:33

What we have to do is what has actually happened is different things. So I'm just glad, so I'm happy about that has to be. I just want.

Bob Kelly: 8:41

That has to be the biggest Like put your balls on the table decision in the history of football. For Bill Balochek to walk in there and be like, hey, who's your, who's your Ocord and the issue. Oh, matt Patricia, has you ever coached offense? Nope, nope.

Rayshawn Buchan: 8:56

Right, so we can put that aside. So I'll stay right then in this. You know I think that you know when you invested in a young quarterback which is something I haven't been able to see up here right now currently, but we're going to chat later on. I loved that they got DJ Moore. I fell love. That clip from a few years ago was Steve Smith came in practice.

Bob Kelly: 9:15

I forgot, you guys got more yeah.

Rayshawn Buchan: 9:17

What's the DJ? More guy than I see when he was counting it, but that was that. Was Steve Smith playing, saying like, no, like, this guy is definitely next up. So yeah, you put him around there. I know you give the extension to the Colkin men, I think four years, a million of what I'm saying. Yeah, I think you earned it. So, yeah, you know I wanted him here. So I was like, yeah, no, I definitely think he is someone who can be. You know, you know some of the dynamic in the passing game.

Bob Kelly: 9:41

But yeah, I just think he'd be like adult and Schultz right Adult and Schultz type.

Rayshawn Buchan: 9:45

Yeah, he's like he's like he's a little more athletic than this. Yeah, he's like really tall. I'm like he was really well.

Dave Clarke: 9:53

I think like the thing that was really positive on like you know, we're talking snap to snap here last year you like looking? I obviously watch every Bears game, so I'm like watching it as we go the idea of like giving a guy who's in his first five years the option to check down to a tight end that's going to maybe make a play. You know, you can't ask him to run every play and you can't ask him to like go out, bomb out every time, so he needs like kind of a safety net, and I think that was part of that. And I think adding the adding, yes, that, but also some offensive line pieces that give him a little bit more time to figure some shit out, is also huge. So, yeah, investing in the, in the young quarterback.

Rayshawn Buchan: 10:28

So yeah, so that's that and I think just the. But to answer the third part, which is what is the most interesting, honestly, I'll go back to my division. I think the more interesting storyline is what's going on with Stefan, jason, josh, alan. There's been a lot of covering up, in my opinion. I know there's been different reports of all saying, oh, like family fights, saying you know, you know, we're just, you know, almost in the family feuds. But I just I think that there's more to the story. Obviously, I started getting out there. I think if they have another season of the end the day losing the first round, we lose in the vision around. I think then more stuff will come out. So clearly, digs was frustrated or is frustrated. I don't think that's really gone away. So yeah, so I'm interested to see how that unfolds. Will that affect how they play on the field?

Dave Clarke: 11:13

I think what's your opinion about that? Like in general, like a wide receiver quarterback situation, right, obviously, you have an important relationship with the clear number one wide receiver and an all pro quarterback regardless of like expectations and stuff, Like do you think he's allowed to be frustrated or is it just like dude, make the fucking plays listener, you QB.

Rayshawn Buchan: 11:37

It's a mix of both, but I feel like, in the sense of and I have to do it, I think probably the credit's above your understanding, even though I said that just Allen would be a guy was pretty left, like it's clear to see that his numbers took off once they got digs there, right. So if that's something where he you know he progressed into this and became, it was like no, once you had the guy that can be that number one weapon field with Dawson Nonson, but they didn't have much of a running game Like that's where he really took, took his leap there. So he needs to do whatever he needs to do in order to keep digs happy and the rest of that office happy, like if that was unfold, they're going right back to what they were, you know, right before Josh Allen's, you know tenure there. So I just think he needs to do whatever he needs to do to make everyone there happy Once again. Maybe he is and maybe he's that far this has been a deba. I know there were some issues with that in Minnesota as well. So, yeah, I just think that they you know that's how Brian Dabel, you know had to figure it out. But sure you get your scheme guys open and you know you get them to where they need to be Because once again, they're super talented. You know when you go, when you go back and forth in the homes, like that, like you're clearly a guy that people are looking at to take that throne eventually. So once again it's you know, step up with step aside and that's that's, that's, that's the. That should be your theme here, that should be on the shirts Step up with step aside.

Bob Kelly: 13:00

I just, I just think it's like relationships are fucking hard, man, because if you step up on digs and Josh Allen told each other they love each other on national TV on Thanksgiving this past year it was it was like literally four months before they all of a sudden had this big feud.

Dave Clarke: 13:16

It's just like. That's how it goes, bro. You know it's intense first, and then things sour, and then all of a sudden you're just like not talking to each other. It's just, it's just so different.

Bob Kelly: 13:25

It's so different nowadays because one little rift or like one little miscommunication Twitter and the internet takes it to a whole different level. I feel like a turn it into reality where that's become that's just become part of your responsibility for organizing a grief, you know you gotta keep that shit out.

Dave Clarke: 13:41

You know, it's just it's. I think that like to me, it like just I think that's like If Stefan Diggs and Josh Allen blow this shit up because like they're not achieving what they think Fucking stupid or whatever, like well, that's just to me like indicative of, like what their mentality was holding them back in the first place, like if you let that happen, you know, and like it's the same reason, it's it's the same character flaw, the same DNA and one or both of you, that means you. That's why you didn't you haven't seen you in a fucking Super Bowl when you were, like on paper, supposed to be at this point. That's why Josh Allen is now consensus number three at best to be in the NFL after burrow in the homes. And it's like I think that you could probably bottle. I mean, here we are with the bottle talent thing already, but you could probably bottle Josh Allen's talent and it would be a much bigger bottle than Joe Burrow's talent on in a lot of Different areas. But Joe Burrow's got that fucking dog in him and he's not a little bitch and he's not having little fights with his fucking boyfriend on on Twitter or whatever the fuck is happening. So just get your shit like. You get paid a fuck ton of money. You have a ton of talent around you and you're you're the, by the way, this is true because you can just go on. I mean, maybe it's not maybe, but statistically you're the best thing that's ever gonna happen to each other. There's a very, very small percentage chance that either of them is gonna get a guy that's as talented as the other guy to come up with a pair up with. Also, you have a limited amount of time to do this. Like, if you're gonna go, like if Stefan Diggs is gonna, I'm sure you go get his back somewhere. Like don't, don't get me wrong, I'm sure he could do a tight rehab and say, like go, you know, pay me in fucking New Orleans or some bullshit. Like somebody that's got salary cap. Like, pay me this, I don't even give a shit, I'll fucking ride out. But if you really want, if you, if you genuinely want to like be great and you have the potential to be, you're in the mix. Like the bills are still in the mix, you can have reactionary internet shit all you want. Like they could still go 14 and 3 this year and fucking win a Super Bowl. So they like they could. So it's like, and it wouldn't be completely out of the runs of possibility. They're gonna I would imagine they're gonna start high on your power rankings, bob. So it's like it's it's. It's like just shut the fuck up and get on with it. You know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 15:40

Like it's yeah right and if they do fucking shoot them.

Dave Clarke: 15:43

Shoot each other in the dickland, like alright. Well, that's more for everybody else. That's whatever. None of us are bills fans here, but yeah, I mean.

Rayshawn Buchan: 15:49

I'm me obviously, for obvious reasons. I'm hoping they implode, obviously, but you know, Stefan Diggs is honestly really pissed about it.

Dave Clarke: 15:56

Then fucking get mad and go to England. Yeah, I'm right.

Rayshawn Buchan: 16:00

Those fans, those fans in general, need to calm down to that.

Dave Clarke: 16:05

I know, I know yeah.

Rayshawn Buchan: 16:08

I know a few. I mean, I mean so much, I mean whatever.

Dave Clarke: 16:10

But it's just like you know. You know they're embarrassing on the internet.

Rayshawn Buchan: 16:15

Right, but it's just like I need, I need. I need bills, mafia to chill like. Once again. You know there's.

Bob Kelly: 16:24

Tell bills. Mafia to chill.

Rayshawn Buchan: 16:27

They're claim. They're claim the fame. It's going to force trace all those and losing and not even so you know. So I was again until. Until you get that, I'm always go out throw it in your face. So once again, you know it's six zero and I'm not talking about height shots, shots fired and, if you like, I think there's a collective consensus agreement about the buffalo bills.

Dave Clarke: 16:57

The thing that has been holding this current iteration of their team back is a mentality issue, like it's there's not. Like what talent issue do you see there? I don't fucking see anything like. Maybe there's a case that they're running game. Maybe you can make a case that, like if they had a running back that could like really make an impact and you took some of that.

Bob Kelly: 17:12

Josh, josh out. Well, I guess, yeah, I guess like it, but that doesn't work.

Dave Clarke: 17:16

I mean, we know that right yeah. I mean, I even know that with Justin Fields like you, we you have to get to Aaron Rodgers level with movement as a QB. You have to be like I mean, this is just the old wisdom on the subject, right, like maybe I'll be proven wrong eventually, the more what a why?

Bob Kelly: 17:29

why isn't what a wise DK post? I mean, it's true though.

Dave Clarke: 17:33

Isn't it? It's like you need to be able to, you need to be, you need to have the defense. At least dedicate one guy to you Because you're a threat to go mobile. But realistically, if you don't know how to sling the ball, you're not gonna win shit. That's just like the way it's always worked in this, in this league, I'm unless somebody breaks the mold there, unless Lamar Jackson goes and breaks the mold there, and you know it's gonna be what it's gonna be. So, like Josh Allen has to like, I think this of Justin Fields in year three, right, I think this about my guy in year three that you need to start changing the priorities of your offensive game plan to make it so that you live and die by your arm, and Because that's what the quarterback position is and it'll help you immensely that you can move and it'll help you immensely that you're mobile, but you can't be the running game of your team. You can't. That's what a running back it's like it's like vintage Russ.

Bob Kelly: 18:18

Vintage Russ is the perfect vintage Russ, you know it is exactly exactly the best example.

Dave Clarke: 18:23

Yeah, yeah and it's like you, but you still have Marshall Lynch. Do you know what I mean? Let's say you gotta go, you gotta go you gotta go get that solid backfield and I know there's a lot of conversations about running backs going on right now because they're not getting paid. I've been advocating for not fucking paying running backs for the entire run of this podcast, just from a protectors salary cap standpoint. I want everybody to get paid. I like I want the players to get paid. But that, like that's a mentality issue. Do you know what I mean? It's like, yeah, the Josh Allen is there at this point in his career and he he hasn't figured out how to not let a game get away from him based on the merit, or or lack thereof, of his arm. And I need that from him and I need him to get his fucking house in order and I need him to calm his troops down, like otherwise I don't see it, I just don't see it. Joe Montana.

Bob Kelly: 19:07

I was your last thing on this is like exactly what you're gonna say Is the best dynasties and the best QB wide receiver combos 100% had relationship issues and had things that went wrong between them and they figured out without the media getting involved. You don't think burrow and chase have issues.

Dave Clarke: 19:23

You don't think you know there's so much footage of Peyton Manning. That's it, that's it.

Bob Kelly: 19:28

It's just it's. It's you figure it out and you don't let it become this, this, this Overlying cloud over your team, and that's that's what the divas do, and that's why Karell Owens will never be the best wide receiver Ever. That's why all these guys won't be the best wide receiver ever, because they always brought down their team like this. We'll see if they will see if digs is one. I don't, I don't think he is. I don't think. So my biggest story is, of course, we know didn't trade on this.

Dave Clarke: 19:55

is it trade on digs? Is brother on the con boys?

Bob Kelly: 19:57

Yeah, he's got a contract yeah yeah, didn't he?

Dave Clarke: 20:00

didn't he tell the dag press got? Shut your bitch ass up and camp.

Bob Kelly: 20:06

Times all day dropping.

Dave Clarke: 20:08

I know, but I mean, that's not good.

Bob Kelly: 20:10

Well, yeah, it's training camp, bro, it's. And then Kelsey. Kelsey punched out a teammate. It's training camp, it happens I.

Rayshawn Buchan: 20:25

Just that was awful, wow.

Bob Kelly: 20:27

I've been. I've been asking the Cowboys to make free agent moves for years and they finally did. They got the big move and Brandon cooks and the big moves and stuff on game, where we finally have a cornerback to which I've been tweeting the Cowboys to do for, like I feel like fucking 10 years now, since, like Orlando Scandrick was in town. Finally we have a guy that can lock down the two and the one.

Dave Clarke: 20:47

I think you got a big number one defense in the.

Bob Kelly: 20:51

Yeah, I, I'm very excited for this season, which scares the shit out of me because I'm telling excited for a season.

Dave Clarke: 20:59

I just Always have the skyfall. You're excited and we can't. We have to stop watching your excitement get met with crushing disappointment. We're gonna lose half the fun on the show. That's, that's a hundred.

Bob Kelly: 21:16

Remember I went through a range of emotions last year. I went from like I quit by week for this season's over. It's like bro week wouldn't, super bowl by week 12. So the other big song is the running back thing. I think that's a bigger deal than what people are making. It's, it's, it's. I Understand why the NFL is doing it and why they're taking the stance on the running backs, but I think something has to be done in the end, because these guys do put their bodies in the line. It they, the teams, literally run these dudes into the ground or like, oh, they only last four years? Well, yeah, because you give them 368 fucking carries. Of course he only lasted four years. I think something needs to be done where they pro rate those contracts or like, yeah, even the franchise tags, you know that they pay him right now. Summary or an average of you know the top paid player. I think they should do it like you can only franchise tag a running back one time, instead of the two or three years that you can Do it now.

Dave Clarke: 22:11

You could just turn around and start listing them as different positions on the roster right. It's like I think. I think the thing is for me. It's like you. You just look at the average salary compared to the other school positions and in order to catch them up, you have to front load their contracts. So yeah, you're running back and you get you like because I understand the idea of like not paying them. I've been advocating for this for a long time because it's really dumb. If you sign, you know that this, the second contract that every running back gets, is the contract that their fucking body goes right. So, it's like with with a few very notable exceptions, but like rare ones because of the way that they play them.

Bob Kelly: 22:45

Position plays and it's like Adrian Peterson and yeah, that's it, that's it.

Rayshawn Buchan: 22:50

Yeah, I mean it's, it's just a way it's almost so was so good when he got to the top, tom within.

Dave Clarke: 22:55

Okay, tom Was I see sure but it's like because of that you have to. I prorating it's one thing, but I think like, essentially, if you just say, like the same way you Manage a salary to a draft position or a draft group or however that works, it's like if you draft a running back Compact, comparatively to his draft position, the front end money has to go up, the minimum money has to go up so they actually can like live out the rest of their lives, having dedicated, like you said by me, their brains and their body to the sport. Because, it doesn't need to be crazy because you know you're. You know you're not gonna get that much work out of them in the back end. But I think that's an issue for the players union to be honest with you like. I think that that has to go, come up and like.

Bob Kelly: 23:39

Totally a dream union negotiations for sure.

Dave Clarke: 23:42

And I think that it's just a money issue, like it's it like if you, if you give it to the teams and the players to negotiate every time On the second or third contract of these guys, like these guys are gonna lose because the teams are just gonna be like to a Fuck ton of good running backs, like I don't need you that bad. So you, when you leave it up to them, like they're never gonna get paid like that, like no one did there, nobody's running a charity, so you just have to up the minimums, you know, I mean it's. It seems like a no-brainer to me because it's like it Like you shouldn't have to go and work at a car dealership after you've like played in a fell for six years. Okay, it's, does that you know like you should be good, as long as you don't do anything stupid with your money you know just the the, the falls.

Bob Kelly: 24:21

The falls from fame are unlike any other position in sports. It's like you go from all pro was superstar to out of the league in two years if you're running back.

Dave Clarke: 24:30

But that's just part of it. Like that there's proven track record for like why that happens and it's not like their fault, like it's still an integral position on the field. You still need running backs, but Like they are gonna sacrifice their fucking bodies, like they are. That's how the position works, you know so even, even, even the ever before.

Rayshawn Buchan: 24:48

it's like I think about, I'm just wonderful reward, but I think about guys like Marcus Allen yeah, that's like Eric Dickerson. Yeah, you know you know you're Tony, tony Dorsett, like these are guys you know we're giving the Earl Campbell. You know who I mean. Who now? I mean he does big step in Texas. I know that for sure because he has a brand that's in grocery stores. But like it's, it's rare. But I said no, those are just three or four guys I named. But it's hard and once again, oh, those guys are running, sometimes 400 times a year and probably getting the hundred fifty thousand dollars Once again, a lot of money back then. But it's just like damn, like it, like that's, that's insane that you could run the ball that much is sometimes even catch the ball 40 to 50 times and still not get compensated.

Dave Clarke: 25:35

You know, fairly or early is equal to oh so if you break down their, their personal, their personal payments, like Except shows a quarterback and like maybe you're, you're the lowest receiver one, it's like it's fucking crazy, you know, I mean, like I did, like the amount of times, the amount of snaps they're out there for you're what you're running back one. Especially if you're a guy like I understand, if you're like the RB three on the Titans, like I get it, but if you're Derek Henry, like you, gotta pay them Like this, this old Jonathan Taylor thing I think is so fucking absurd.

Bob Kelly: 26:06

Like you, gotta pay this dude. He's the best running, one of the best running backs have ever seen, but yeah so.

Dave Clarke: 26:11

I mean or and so make an incentive base. You know what I mean. It's like I like that you could have a specifically incentive base. Yeah, but that does.

Rayshawn Buchan: 26:18

Does the incentive pay yourself to, because now they got hurt. No, don't tell you one thing right, and you know, we know, as we see, friend, right, buddy, but don't tell you, oh, yeah, yeah, like it's a two-year deal for 16 mil, worth up to 22, but it's just like, oh, like you get this many first down, though, you get this many catches, and then what happens is the last two games, or the last game of the season. Oh, we've got to play off spot, oh, oh. That's why you do it like. Just sit, you make the sentence.

Dave Clarke: 26:48

The averages like yards per run. Sir, like it's like if you keep your yards per run above 3.4, like when you get this much more money. So it's like because like yeah, they can maybe still do that to you a little bit, but like your average is your average by the time you get there. So it's like it there. Then incentivize like not to fuck you over, like Like an ERS or something like that in baseball, where it's like oh you capture. You capture ERA to like this number, so you're gonna get well, I mean, it's baseball money, so you're gonna get one billion more dollars but like, but in the NFL. It's like, you know, like the incentives in the NFL could be like, okay, you kept your average and then you can just break down the incentives where it's like, as long as you hit this number of snaps, so it's not just one guy who ran for five yards one time, and then it's like you're done, it's like you hit this number of snaps, you hit this, you hit that, and then it's like you can just sort of work around it so that you're not saying putting them in a position where they're gonna play hurt or put it. You know what I mean. Or it's like, and then you can even do IR incentives right. It's like, okay, if you hit the IR, we're gonna pay you like a good faith amount, you know, Because it happens. So you can incentivize them not to to try to play through injuries and ensuring their current stuff, like that. Like it might get a little complicated, but you know contracts are complicated already. Like you let the fucking eggheads in the salary cab room deal with that shit, but you at least make the players feel that for the you know I mean this is a problem Systemically through into the entire NFL. But you least make the players feel like you give a little bit of a shit about the rest of their lives after they leave this very damaging yeah sport, you know I mean their shelf life is so short compared to the rest of it. That's what. I'm saying you know it's crazy yeah so I mean that's.

Bob Kelly: 28:20

I think that's a pretty good intro.

Dave Clarke: 28:22

It's 24 see, I was just the cold open.

Bob Kelly: 28:25

Yeah, that was just cold open, guys, we haven't even started yet.

Rayshawn Buchan: 28:29

We've even started.

Bob Kelly: 28:32

Let's just jump right in. I guess this is fucking exciting. So I just because the first one I wanted to make sure we at least Mentioned every team because they deserve to be mentioned on the first show of the year, because you know, everyone's still a fucking unit. So we know we will go back to Tom tanning right for that, for the yeah, no, it's top ten every week. We're doing that once the game start for sure. But what's people? People have to earn their way onto their show after the first, Of course, of course that's how we. So, yeah, this is the charity Right, exactly. So we'll start off the charity show with why made DK stop talking about earlier? So the, the Packers. So there it, the packer. So first let me tear this out for you guys. So first, here is the lowest here in the NFL. This is the rebuild mode. No fucking chance. It's the Packers. Commanders, cardinals, texans, colts, raiders and the entire NFC stuff, the entire NFC cells is so garbage. I started listening them out and I'm like no, the whole fucking.

Dave Clarke: 29:28

I think you're sleeping on the Falcons. Can we talk about that, and whenever you're ready?

Bob Kelly: 29:32

Yeah, let's go to your Packers or your here, not mine. I Think Jordan loves gonna be good, but they've no shot with that Rogers this year. Right, that's. That's complete rebuild in Green Bay.

Dave Clarke: 29:44

Yeah, I mean they start at us, which I think we're gonna be hungry for that first game. I think you should do that every year. I really think you should put week one or like at least milestone weeks. You should make no, no, not necessarily, but or, like you know, I was, I was championed at the bit for the London game to be various Packers, but I don't know, I've, I wouldn't mind seeing that. But we also weirdly get a ton of prime time, no matter how shitty we are, probably because of our market, I would imagine, like we tune in, but anyway, they started us. I think we're gonna be championed at the bit at that. I really am advocating for most improved team for the Bears this year, so, and maybe, maybe most Worsened team for the Packers. So I think we're gonna be. We're gonna have Traymon and Tremaine, edwards and TJ Edwards, edmunds and Edwards out there Fields just doing his thing, and I think we're gonna stomp on them and I think it's gonna be Predictive for the rest of their season, because I think then they're gonna go play the Falcons, then they're gonna go play the Saints. They might be the Saints, but then the Lions will beat them, the Raiders will beat them. The Broncos will probably beat them, the Vikings Will probably beat them. You know, like the Steelers are probably beat them. It's like these games that were very winnable this time last year for the Packers are now looking like I don't see Like it's. It's that thing of like the like you said they're in ultimate rebuild mode, and the way you can always tell an ultimate rebuild of a team is I don't see what a Packers touchdown looks like in my head anymore, like I don't know what. Like a Packers scoring drive looks like. I don't know what a Packers win looks like. I knew what it looked like Painfully under under Aaron Rodgers. I knew what it looked like. But now, yeah, I agree, full rebuild. I do think they have some talent, but I think any time with I mean honestly, ray, with the exception of the Patriots I think they actually recovered pretty well after losing a guy of Tom Brady stature. I know that you guys have standards that you like I expect them to hit, but yeah, from the perspective of the rest of the NFL, I think they stayed pretty remark remark. Yeah, remarkably, really good after losing a guy like Tom Brady. That is not the rule, that is the exception, and I think that what's for sure gonna happen is the impact, just the wave of Rogers leaving. The culture, or lack thereof, and in Green Bay, is gonna ruin their Not so you know.

Bob Kelly: 31:59

You know you in theory, Ray. What do you think? You think no.

Rayshawn Buchan: 32:04

So I mean, listen, I don't think. I think at best they maybe was six games and that might be super generous. I, I like Romeo Dobbs, I like Christian Washington. I think they could be a good duo Going forward, but it's gonna take time to do that chemistry with Jordan and love and once again, we got to put things in perspective with David Lewis for the few moments ago, but like it's insane to think about. So we're in 2023, so from 1992 to now, the last 30 years, yeah, they've had, you've had. Yeah, right, far Rogers is a quarter, but like that's, that's insane Fair, it's unreal, so oh by the way, insults injury.

Dave Clarke: 32:49

Breadfarm went to, then the Vikings.

Rayshawn Buchan: 33:00

Yeah it'll be a Minnesota next year. Don't work, but I fully believe that you can book down the opening Minnesota next year. He wants to be bread far 2.0. So, Bradley. But yeah. I'd like how Christian Watson came on once again. It looks a lot different when 12 was throwing the ball. Then we sort of love is going to be but uh it's a different 12 last year. They was on acid and shit, you know sure, sure that I walk in trips, but yeah, yeah, yeah, six, six, six games at best. I mean, we say we don't know what it's gonna look like, but I think you know 33 many Aaron Jones. Aaron Jones is gonna be yeah and and and 20, 20. You know, thought the BC, so BC. Um, they should be a one heavy offense first, which in today's NFL doesn't really work. So before. Once, though, it's what, with players, always wanted he likes or, but it's just like they, aaron Jones and Asia jealous, should be Supplement, not the primary you know, say like. I'm not like I like Aaron Jones, like that 2017 job class overall is fucking loaded. He was a part of it, so I get it. But yeah, I think six games at most. But yeah, most of the things you mentioned there like one of those teams will surprise us, but it won't be greenback.

Bob Kelly: 34:09

Yeah, so I was gonna say anyone else we should. I mean entire NFC South, obviously we, tom Brady's gone.

Dave Clarke: 34:18

I think, I think I'm telling you it's gonna be the fact that they had the highest roster turnover other than Chicago. I'm here, they may I put in time what?

Rayshawn Buchan: 34:27

about. They made some moves and what's it? I mean, as a I'm a Gator fan for college football for those that I didn't know what you're hearing more about that throughout the throughout the season, but they got after spent, has to use how it fits more to do the 6, 6, you know, 250. It runs like, you know, a wide receiver, so you would think that she would use it. I know they just got a John or down there. So John or did have his best season under Arthur Smith. So I think the John or kind of recaps where he wasn't, tennessee Over there. So then that's who's had a system. They probably run a lot of that Over there. So, yeah, I think, yeah, I Reversed you. I think that Melinda Ken can't surprise some people. I don't know that division always flips on his head, though I feel like we're the ones. The year before he was he flips. It was different. It's helped. Tom Brady wants to do this. So you automatically damn there knew that he was gonna never go into vision as long as he Was at home, even with having a bad record, which was crazy. But yeah, I do think. Yeah, someone of the industry stuff was that, whether there's a land or it could be, if he doesn't be a lender, or nor am I, so like it won't be Carolina.

Bob Kelly: 35:31

I mean Carolina Bryce, you know. Think Bryce young can have a rookie.

Rayshawn Buchan: 35:34

No, not, not right not right away.

Dave Clarke: 35:36

I don't think so, either Carolina's getting rid of their assets Like they're they're not In a position where they're, like, even trying to be winning.

Rayshawn Buchan: 35:43

So it's hard to be what cam was his work a year like that. That was unreal when he did his work.

Bob Kelly: 35:50

Fresh, young is literally like seven inches short of the okay.

Rayshawn Buchan: 35:53

No, I know Bob say that's gonna be just standard down there you know, I know that's the so is like that's where you know. He's not gonna be Steve Berlin either. He's not gonna be Jake DeLone, he's not gonna be, he's not gonna be in those guys there. So you know, welcome to the give away his best receiver, though, you know.

Dave Clarke: 36:10

To me it's like honest to me it's a no brainer. I think that what the Falcons did was specifically A quarterback though, yeah, they go. What's his name?

Bob Kelly: 36:20

Ritter and high Nicky. Hi, nicky, I mean they're going with Ritter.

Dave Clarke: 36:24

They were a Ritter over Marriota last year, like half way through the season. Yeah, they actually performed pretty well, like they. I'm not saying that they're gonna be, you know, the best team in the world, but the eye I could really see them within this division because I think the moves that they made were intended to win the division. I think they were like the division is weak as fuck. We can build a team with a little, a few little like tiny little trades and like a couple overhauls, like they overhauled a lot of the defensive coaching staff. They brought in Jeff Acuta at quarterback, who I wanted for the Bears. He's good.

Bob Kelly: 36:53

I like it.

Dave Clarke: 36:54

Yeah, they, they. They made some changes, like around the offensive line. They brought in BJ Robinson at running back who's good? And they brought in a bunch of pass catchers Like not wide receiver ones competing for a wide receiver one position, like just a bunch of guys who can catch the ball to try to like, I think, managed games, you know, like that.

Rayshawn Buchan: 37:11

I think they're gonna be. They've never had that outside of Julio, though. Oh right, right, because it's like it's hard to do it's it's hard.

Dave Clarke: 37:18

It's hard to go get. So I'm not saying they're gonna be the Atlanta Falcons with Matt Ryan and Julio Jones. I'm not saying that. I'm not even saying they might. They might not even have a winning record, but I still think they could come out of this division pretty handily.

Speaker 2: 37:30

Yeah, not nine, seven, seven and nine might win this division yeah nine wins.

Rayshawn Buchan: 37:34

Nine wins was that division.

Bob Kelly: 37:35

Yeah, I was seven and nine was eight last year, nine, nine last year. Right yeah, it's a baby in nine out of eight.

Dave Clarke: 37:42

Also, they had they had the opportunity to go try and get a QB in free agency or in In in the draft and they didn't. Which either says I mean, I don't know why they would make such moves on defense if they weren't gonna try to go get a winning record when this division this year. But I think that says and like you said, cal pits, we were just talking about quarterback Patterson earlier before the show started like they still have weapons down there running back to what's his name oh, I think Robinson's probably gonna be the number one running by Bijon's there now.

Bob Kelly: 38:10

Yeah, other guys.

Dave Clarke: 38:11

Yeah, but I just think, like Drake London any time it.

Rayshawn Buchan: 38:16

No, oh yeah, yeah, oh, Drake London US the backup, the backup, running back.

Bob Kelly: 38:21

He was like a fantasy star for like five weeks. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Rayshawn Buchan: 38:25

I can't have it doesn't know, but no but, yeah, no, drake, one is the wire receiver from USC.

Dave Clarke: 38:29

Oh, he's a wire, see, he's good.

Bob Kelly: 38:30

Yeah, Tyler Alger.

Dave Clarke: 38:33

Yes, I was here yeah, but then, yeah, they have a good running back room. Honestly, they got him, cordell Patterson and Bijon Robinson. They they have a decent run blocking line, like it's. It's the kind of team that's gonna take games away from when they play the Packers, for instance, like they'll win that game, like you can just chalk that W on their board right away. They'll go win games like that. That I think they might. You know that they have the potential winning and then they're gonna come out. Maybe it's the leaders in that division probably gets smoked in the first round, but I don't know. I mean I think that they made some smart moves with what they could do, if that makes sense. I'm not saying they're gonna they turn their entire team around, but I mean I think they should be applauded for like the very savvy moves they made in the offseason, and I think it's their guy.

Bob Kelly: 39:12

So I think I think it's clear they're trying to build off the model almost of the Obviously don't have Lamar but the Ravens where they have a lot of fast running backs. They have run a lot of, they run a lot of pro option. They run a lot of stuff that's based off of, you know, the speed coming out of their backfield, the versatility with Patterson. Yet so I could see yeah. They're one of those wishbone like you know, pull wins out of their asses because they ran three.

Dave Clarke: 39:36

They also could potentially win every division game. All the players are so trash.

Bob Kelly: 39:40

You'll know the team would be the Saints right because they got car. Yeah, I think car is garbage, I think he's a fraud.

Dave Clarke: 39:46

I don't think I've seen all I need to see what our car. I don't think the Panthers or the Bucks are trying to win shit this year. So and also, if the Bucks were trying to win, who's?

Bob Kelly: 39:54

the books is is Trask, starting for the Bucks, or is is is. The Hemingway field, mayfield, bro, that's gonna be. That's gonna be a tough season in Tampa Bay to go from Brady.

Rayshawn Buchan: 40:07

But the day so. So it's wild though we talked about, you still have Mike Evans, you still have Christy Godwin, like you still, you still should be able to get to those guys when, whenever and I'm, and obviously I am any any drop-off is, there's gonna be a drop-off, obviously when you lose the best for the back All the time. I get that. I know for personal experience.

Bob Kelly: 40:31

Imagine the locker room vibes going from Tom Brady to Baker Mayfield as your leader.

Rayshawn Buchan: 40:35

I mean.

Bob Kelly: 40:36

I fucking God.

Rayshawn Buchan: 40:37

What was again? I get it. We talked about.

Dave Clarke: 40:40

Rogers, though it's like he's walking out of there. Yeah, he's taking the soul of the team with it, like right.

Bob Kelly: 40:44

Yeah.

Dave Clarke: 40:45

They fully mortgage these next few years in order for Brady to go get them a championship. I don't think that's a problem. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. You go get a Super Bowl.

Bob Kelly: 40:53

You go get a Super Bowl like you can't this is what it's supposed to look like right when, when a Hall of Fame quarterback yeah leaves the team. This is what's supposed to happen. Is what? Happens to Tampa Bay this year. They're gonna. I think they're potential for worst team in the league. I think if I were putting money on, Personally, I'm personally, I'm roaring for trust.

Rayshawn Buchan: 41:12

He has the hell of a arm. Once again, he's you ref Gator. Oh yeah, he's a guy. Yo, good job, I would like to be the guy. He's kind of he's a dude let's go to, let's go type quarterback, but he could run. But he has the arm. You could do everything. Just a matter of is he going to, you know, to pan out.

Bob Kelly: 41:29

So what we'll see. I mean that's really. I mean the rest of.

Dave Clarke: 41:37

Situation. I mean it's just like you know. I just don't think it's. I mean, yeah, chris Godwin's had what 3000 yard catching seasons.

Rayshawn Buchan: 41:45

Yeah, they might my give us a thousand. First time is he won't have a thousand, that's what.

Dave Clarke: 41:50

I'm saying it was been do is the legit. Just you got, I know, but you got it. You know you don't start with the ball.

Bob Kelly: 41:58

Yeah, they got a. They should have traded at least one of those guys in the offseason, in my opinion, but so I mean. So the rest of the car card Cardinals, texans, colton. Raiders any of those guys making a run? I don't think so right.

Rayshawn Buchan: 42:14

I mean.

Bob Kelly: 42:17

Commanders, cardinals, texans, colton, the Sorry I had to prop.

Rayshawn Buchan: 42:25

I mean prop probably not, because I mean, you know, especially the raiders, like with think about, there's a vision there in like is this is Scott going to? What's it happen? That was again. Jimmy G will play great for seven games, because that that's just that's what he does. And you know, fortunately they were in hand of an elbow to her knee. It was again. So I'm about wishing so for those. That was, it is always wishing injury, you know. You know, calm down. I just was again going off what has happened?

Bob Kelly: 42:51

So you know, I like, I like what happens.

Rayshawn Buchan: 42:54

Yeah, I like Jimmy's. Yeah, I think he's better than the game manager. I think people, women, I can't remember the he's he's better, he's up above that when he, when he's on. But I just I'll those huge you just named like damn they're. Everything has to go right, like you get when on good team you can have one thing not working and it's okay, they still find a way to win. Like those huge is mentally like everything has to break right in order for them to win. But on any, on any give, or Sunday or Monday or or for Thursday. So, yeah, I'm a Friday now to football probably, so I mean I agree that the raiders more so, because I don't.

Dave Clarke: 43:29

I don't actually think Jimmy he's a step above a game manager. I think he's like the quintessential game manager. I think that there's some in the water in New England that makes people believe that Jimmy G's better than he is, because the fantasy of him coming back and like a place in Battles to have about Jimmy G.

Rayshawn Buchan: 43:45

Yeah, he didn't do. He didn't do enough in the wheel of it. I'm saying like when he got the services though I know you guys are like look at him in San Francisco.

Dave Clarke: 43:52

He's perfect like for our system because he throws like check down, fucking like less than ten yard, like passes every time he goes, every time he goes play. But every time he goes along he's got one of the worst fucking deep balls of any. But as I'm not just, I'm a one-pass like, I feel like his deep balls fucking trash in general.

Bob Kelly: 44:16

But it is.

Dave Clarke: 44:16

I think that, and then also like just the idea of him being like never being able to complete a full season, I grew through whole heart, wholeheartedly, yeah, that, like you know you're putting. I see what the Raiders are doing. I like, honestly I do, and I do think you're right, he could potentially win them, like their first six games, or or play well for their first seven or eight or before he goes down, depending on their strength schedule, which I don't have pulled up in front of me right now. But yeah. You'll beat him. I think you'll beat him. I think we thought we're losing. Fucking, fucking on. I was last year leaving in the past, don't be my the. I mean, yeah, they have. I mean, they have probably Probably the best wide receiver the NFL on their team, but it's just a matter of like who? No, but the best receiver is the Yaw Division, who. Who do you think is the best receiver? Jefferson, I love.

Rayshawn Buchan: 45:06

Justin Jefferson I.

Dave Clarke: 45:15

Think that's fine. I mean fair enough. I think it might be one one a, but I think he's like the last guy that like makes Jimmy G look good To, says it's like the way that he plays. So it's just like a weird, it's a weird marriage. But as far as the rest of teams you mentioned go like what a disaster that Arizona Cardinals are, like the way that they've just been running their organization.

Bob Kelly: 45:36

I'm Kingsbury man. We knew it was a disaster and I did. I.

Dave Clarke: 45:39

I mean, I guess you can keep Kyler on ice for another year and just see, like what you know, what pans out later. But I don't know, I don't see them mattering in the next decade at this point, to be honest, unless some major major shake-ups happen. I think letting letting wide receivers of the caliber of the Andre Hopkins walk and Sign in Surprisingly Tennessee, right, like I really did think he was gonna end up in New England. But I think, like what you know, getting him in the first place was such a steal for them and they could have capitalized on that asset win with the Texans, but they didn't. They fucked that up like completely. I think that they put poor Kyler Murray in a position where he's never gonna be able to prove his doubters wrong. You know, like that everybody that I don't know, but everybody that says like he's too small and he's this, he's that he throws on the fly and it's not smart. Like you know, I think Lamar Jackson might have achieved, might have achieved, a chance at like, proving people wrong and, like you, have had the weapons to do that. But I don't think Kyler is ever gonna be able to now, with with the way that that team shaping up the commanders. The most positive thing about that is that that fucking twat that owned them no longer.

Bob Kelly: 46:42

That's. That's all they need for the season. They don't need another. That's a win. I hope they change the name again.

Dave Clarke: 46:48

I hope the new owners change the name again. The, the wizards, I don't know something, something magic related.

Bob Kelly: 46:54

The wizard you just just put. I like the wizard. We're just put the basketball jerseys on them. We're just having the same colors, something. That's what it will be cool.

Dave Clarke: 47:01

Is it the same Washington, though, because it's Washington state Washington. Yeah no, they're both these. No, they're both DC, both DC.

Bob Kelly: 47:07

That was so dumb the was, the wizards were the ball before. Because, because, because, because that's, you know, just as politically correct as the red skin. But yeah, anyways regardless.

Dave Clarke: 47:15

I just think the commanders garbage name. They've had a garbage owner for a long time and I do hope that they start to pull that franchise around. I'm excited to see what the new ownership group of likable people seemingly likable people does. Yeah and get, get, get, chase young out in there.

Bob Kelly: 47:29

Yeah, it's not here.

Dave Clarke: 47:30

It's certainly not in me this year, because the roster is.

Rayshawn Buchan: 47:34

Get them out of there, because I got for all intents and purposes, when you're selling a team.

Dave Clarke: 47:38

I think you want Limited overhead, right like that's. That's just smart business. You don't want a ton of drainage on the salary cap, you don't want to start, you want to start over you want to start freck. So yeah, like you want that, and that seems to be what they've been doing. They think I rid of everybody that could potentially win them a game, and now they don't have anybody.

Bob Kelly: 47:54

So, and then the text is I mean, it's McCleary that bro the most documented downfall in MTP. It's, it's unbelievable.

Dave Clarke: 48:03

I hope this is the first and last time we have to talk about the Texans this year. I think they're a terribly fucking right. I think that I agree. I think that to squander what they had, which was a team, as fast as they squandered it to you know technically as good as the, the Current champions, that she can't. City chiefs like you know better effort times in that game. It's set or it's set or like. This is a well-worn conversation. We've talked about the Texans and like what you know. They're fall from grace many times. But as far as the power ranking show goes, I do not think we'll be mentioning them again this year after this. I don't think anybody in their roster is at all successful and I would be bummed if I got drafted to go play in Houston. So no, I'd be excited because I'd be the NFL and not making television commercials, but that's a different life.

Bob Kelly: 48:51

The best, the best part about the Texan season for us is gonna be that John Metschie will play and Mike called it. He'll play. Oh, he'll play, he'll play. It's a moving on. I mean, the is so funny. The tweener is no fucking idea. This is just really the teams. I had no idea what to do with them. You know I have some positives and negatives. It's the Rams, the paths, the Titans, steelers, browns and Broncos, obviously, yeah, we can talk about the paths. The paths are Like I said. I have no idea what they're gonna be this year. I literally don't, because you know they have a new OC it's. It's like a Reboot of the second year of Mac. I don't think last year counts at all. If you ask me, we'll see what happens with them, I think. I think max ceiling for them in that loaded AFC is nine wins. Right, tell me about.

Rayshawn Buchan: 49:41

We said that you said the AOC East and that loaded AFC.

Bob Kelly: 49:45

The max wins for the passes nine oh.

Rayshawn Buchan: 49:47

I think she meant for the division. When I was like nice realize, yeah, yeah, I mean nine, nine, ten, that's how I mean we tend to. They was in the summit max with the year. So I think getting back to that would be a success. Honestly, I do think the defense has improved. We'll see if the defense was pretty good last year, it was just the office can never score. So you know which is in the contract year. You know you, you drive, you drive martin, mapo, you, you drive cushion, as all those looks really good in camp the far, and you know so much that I expected you know Duggar is my. You know that's our guy. A big duggar has become a fan favorite, as he should because he's easy as a beast defensively should be in the top 100. I don't know why he was in the top 100. The NSO players, young, young, to check y'all list. Because of that that you would have leaked. Oh, anyways, yeah, but the key. The key is offense. Right, like what is Mac? I look like we're just a lot of. See what we're gonna look like. I'm hoping Hunter Henry can have a Bus back here. You know he was maximum what target two years ago when he got here. So I'm excited to see what the second can do as a second side end. So there's a lot of question marks all offensively, especially at the at the right tackle position. I don't think Riley refists against him. I was supposed to be at 33 years old. Every tackle I don't know how that's one sir want to play, but they dig, dig, not to play fast, they're not the play fast, they're gonna have to, you know, get the ball to Max hands so he doesn't get hit as much as you did, you know, last year. So that's gonna be a lot of crossing routes, a lot of short intermediate routes, which is which is my max strength. But yeah, not, not it's him which I think would be. I Think a win for them. I mean, obviously, yet at the real Piedre will be 11 to 6. But I said, well, we'll get into that as the year goes on. But yeah, I'm excited to see how they come together. But yeah, I think I say we're realistically, let's again first, before I get crazy, good, my week five. I have a different mentality, but right now, not none of the 10 wins would be, would be cool.

Dave Clarke: 51:46

Yeah, I mean, it's tough to ever think about the Patriots bottoming out under Belichick just because they really never have, but I think that it feels a little bit like a lit fuse in the past few seasons, like waiting for the eventual implosion of the way they've been playing football, which is trying to maximize talent with minimal Output right, and that's the thing that Bella checks been able to do Very, very successfully for a long time, the most successfully for a long time Getting the best guys for the like least amount of picks and the least amount of money and all this stuff. And I think that, looking at the Patriots now and those rules still being applied, it's starting to look like I'm not saying it definitely is, because Bill Bell checks proved me wrong a Lot of times but it's starting to look like a system that doesn't work in the modern NFL. And A big example of that to me is the fact that you guys did not upgrade your wide receiver room when that was Incredibly necessary and it seemed like you were in pole position to go get the Andre Hopkins and you didn't. And I think that the only thing I can see and this is speculative, I don't know exactly what happened, but the only thing I can see must have happened there is that they weren't gonna pay him what he needed to get paid to play in New England. I think New England was his preferred destination and it looked. You know, for all intents and purposes the visit went great. You know that's where he wanted to go and hit them, not getting him Doubling down on the idea of like, well, we got this guy and this guy and this guy we, you know, we produced a lot with a little before. That's tough. Also, if you look at their strength of schedule this season With the exception of some very, very winnable games smack in the middle against teams like the Colts and the commanders, maybe the Giants because of you know rivalry stuff it's a tough, but they're tough bookends because of the division that you're really is.

Bob Kelly: 53:34

It really is a tough schedule starting off.

Dave Clarke: 53:37

I mean there's there's winnable games in there, don't get me wrong. But starting off with the Eagles and then the Dolphins and then the Jets is tough, not only because you got two games for Aaron Rodgers to find his feet. The Dolphins have like sort of looked like they've had a lot of divisional teams numbers in the past few seasons and they're you know they. They also start well and you know they're. They're looking, they're looking like they're coming back with a lot of the same weapons. And then the Philadelphia Eagles are maybe the second best team. They are the second best team on paper in the NFL right now, considering their runners up from the Super Bowl. So that's gonna be a tough 0-3 start for you guys, to be totally honest.

Bob Kelly: 54:11

Maybe you gotta go to Dallas too. Yeah, you the next week, I mean you might.

Dave Clarke: 54:14

You might be able to win that, though, because the Cowboys are fucking trash now. I'm just kidding the. I Just had to shoot on both of your teams equally during this. No, I mean, you got to go to Dallas. You got to go to the Saints, which we know. We talked about them not being a great team, but they still have weapons are. No, sorry, the Saints are coming to you, so, like, maybe that's that's one of a game. We talked about the Raiders, which is winnable, but you know you still have to play the bills twice, you still have to play the Jets twice, you still have to play the Dolphins twice, and those are three really good teams. Your division is fucking tough through no fault to your own, like your division is tough, or maybe through fault to your own, because these teams have been building to try to beat the Patriots in the past fucking decade.

Rayshawn Buchan: 54:47

Yeah, I've learned about that division. It really any different?

Dave Clarke: 54:52

It is, it is all bets are off from those teams. Yeah, I do.

Rayshawn Buchan: 54:54

Yeah, it's not even all bets are off. It's just like it's the. I think is it. Either you or Mike say it. I think it's Mike the sense of, but you know he's. He's going to freeze paper champions. I would never come in not thinking that no one would, or any other team doesn't have a shot to win a game. This is the NFL put and the end of give a Sunday. You can get beat all that shit, it's accents. Sure, but it's like you. Even they won a game to deal like how do they come out of win this? Real help. We are, we are. We are I mean different, different scenario. But we remember last, last, last year, in the playoffs, we were like man, okay, no, jacksonville got it. And in all of us, I mean that Jacksonville, the charges got it. You know, you know Bobby's permission about the herb is coming, coming into fruition, and then, bam see, Lawrence says nope, I'm on the, on the, on the next sunshine, I'm the real sunshine, and they come back and win. So it's just like I. You know, I think you come as a fan thinking like damn, but we have no fucking shot. Yeah, the first, the first five, yes, I definitely, definitely a, you know, murderous road, so to speak. But I think, honestly, coming under there two or three would be A steal honestly, and that was the case. I think that's cool. So we'll see, honest.

Dave Clarke: 56:11

I mean I, I Agree with you that, like it's, all games are wonderful games, you have the best coach and it fell still like that's not appreciate. I think you know his track record is proven. I'm not saying I'm not doing that, this is the year thing with New England, but I'm just saying I look at the schedule and if I'm being as optimistic as I possibly can, honestly I can. I can find you six wins. I, I can find you six. I, I think and that's me being incredibly often look incredibly optimistic I think I can find you six wins and I think that puts you at fourth and I think that that sucks and I think that that. But what I do think, knowing the New England fan base is Intimately, as I do, and being a member of it in certain other sports, you can say that it's gonna be a restart for season two, for Mac Jones, etc. Etc. But it's, it's not gonna be the the. The fact of the matter is, if you guys come in fourth this year and win six games, your patience collectively as a fan base for Mac Jones will have run out and it's time to upgrade a QB. But I don't know if he'll do that. I don't know if. I don't know if he will upgrade a QB. So you're, you might, you might end this season with more questions than answers, but just a fact.

Rayshawn Buchan: 57:18

A lot of things have to go right. Obviously, once again, I trust his defense will show up. One thing is, if you just have a Semblestime in offense because once again that was, that was a thing, they, they were in games a lot last year and then it's like, oh, we can't score over getting three here.

Bob Kelly: 57:36

Are you making stupid fucking? Yeah, you make it. We're on patriot mistakes.

Rayshawn Buchan: 57:39

They literally there was three games. They literally like the green big game last year. That game was winnable but they couldn't score at the end like they were Miami.

Bob Kelly: 57:47

Miami, week one. Bro, you're about to go line.

Rayshawn Buchan: 57:49

So it's the fight. That that's to be them day. They they threw away some games. A note Well, I won't say I don't believe, because it's different when you have different personnel. But games that we worry, I cut to them seeing them blow. They blew last year, so that that's where it's okay. Those three wins you become 11 and six there as opposed to a nine. So you they days that they have to play. They have to be more disciplined. That that's the key. And they play more disciplined. They're winning games and that's the most to win. That that's this. That's always be like that. And if I check our they, they're just they've been the most discipline team, never the most talented. There's only one year we had most time. They buddy else but the everything else that they've always been a little discipline. So they get back to discipline that they might have a shot.

Dave Clarke: 58:30

I don't know how true it is. There was only one year. You have more talent. You're Tom Brady the entire time. Who's the best QB in the NFL for a decade? Lito that that's important position, but I think I, I think I think Best hit.

Bob Kelly: 58:43

So there's like two best case scenarios the nine wins and maybe sneak into playoff. I don't see. Think them winning those six games and actually committing to blowing this goddamn team up instead of instead of fixing and Filling these holes with mediocre players is, is, is. Is the the path to salvation for you guys. Listen, the rest of the NFL knows to be good again. You have to be bad and I know you guys don't want to accept it, but it has to happen.

Rayshawn Buchan: 59:11

If it doesn't, then Build the build, the GM has to go. So let's you know, could we get surrounded the last 10 minutes talking about this Build? The GM has to go. So I want, I want to put that.

Dave Clarke: 59:22

I don't think you can do mobile, though I think if he goes as a, well, I don't.

Rayshawn Buchan: 59:28

He just you go to fucking to that.

Dave Clarke: 59:29

That's where I'm at with that, because I think if you start I don't know if you're starting over with Bella check, I don't see how. Yeah, for sure it's, or?

Rayshawn Buchan: 59:36

but I mean that that's enough. That's fine man. Once again I've said this before, I'll say it again as relevant to this conversation what a Robin Robacrave grow a pair because, honestly, is like you're the fucking owner. It's not built. So if you say to him, hey, oh, look at you, put the pressure him, say, hey, you need to spend here at this position or spend near that position, then then do so, but it's just like most again, it's that that's been a big, a big issue.

Dave Clarke: 1:00:02

You guys suffer from a phenomenon which you know. You have to have been good for this phenomenon to happen. But teams that are coming to play New England now, like you still have the target on your back. You know they could still like, holy shit, we're going to New England and we're going to play bill bow, check in the New England Patriots and like, and holy shit, we look like we have a chance to win this game. Like, holy shit, we're gonna win this game. Like, as much as logically you know that they're not the same Patriots as they were under we're with with Brady and like you know, I mean of just a few years ago, it's still a scalp to go and beat the logo. That logo is still you have that kind of 1.5 effort from teams like that Steelers and the Giants and and teams with with historic rivalries against your team, that now we're gonna kick a man when he's down, like it's just the way it is in this league, you know. So I think that that that is not your fault, but like I do, I just may I just bring it up to to a sort of point, to the larger, to the larger point I'm trying to make, which is like there's a lock going against you this year, specifically it with with strength of schedule, with the strength of your division and with the target on your back, and with, like where you are in this building process around Mac Jones, and like where Mac Jones's Progressionism, where your wide receiver room is, and like listen, I think he could pull it out. I think 11 wins would shock me, but I think you pull it out and get nine. I think that like and and like you said, by maybe sneaking with a wild card spot and then like again the Patriots in the playoffs. You never fucking know, but I just think it's just a look. It's looking like the biggest mountain yet 11 wins.

Bob Kelly: 1:01:29

11 wins would be Bill Balochek's by far his best coaching job he's ever had yeah. There's no, there's no. That yeah, they'd be unreal if they got 11.

Dave Clarke: 1:01:38

I think I have to give him a lot of credit with all the things I think 90s, and they're running for coach of the year.

Bob Kelly: 1:01:42

Yeah right, you know. So. Remember, at one point, like two years ago, patriots made it to one because of Bill Balochek, by himself, because he beat the bills by just running the ball the entire game.

Dave Clarke: 1:01:52

Yeah, he's still very good.

Bob Kelly: 1:02:01

Giving you the glimmer. That's what we're giving.

Dave Clarke: 1:02:05

I don't know you never know what that guy you know, but was any other team dude, I'd be like you're fucked, like any other team with any other coach. I'd be like, yeah, we don't have any time on this, but because you have him, because you have him, so like that's my thing. I mean, I'm not a Patriots fan. I don't know, like emotionally, where you guys are, all that, but from where I'm sitting I would never say Then, bella, check has to go completely, like just from where I'm sitting.

Rayshawn Buchan: 1:02:29

No, I Know, I don't. I don't want him making all of the decisions. That, that's that. That's just what I'm about. Then, once again From a coaching standpoint yeah, there's, no, there's nobody still, when it comes to X's and O's, like Him.

Dave Clarke: 1:02:44

Him coaching alone is going to get you four to five alone, just that turns around and decides that he doesn't have the GM anymore, and and he you know that would never happen. He goes, he goes too far gone, and I get it, and I just think you have to live with it. Yeah, until he gets.

Bob Kelly: 1:03:00

Because I know, you see that or your Tom, or your Tom Landry it and you become a shameful franchise that fired the only coach that you ever brought you to glory. Those are really your two options. Here is just yeah yeah, yeah, but I have bow check coach until he's wrinkly or wrinklier, and and or or or have a way.

Rayshawn Buchan: 1:03:25

Do you know, I know I'm which I'll? I said there is a lot of, a lot of mouth's of pressure. Well, there is a lot of questions have to be answered, but we'll see, you know, we'll see how it unfold. I said, yeah, they're definitely in the toughest division. Easily.

Dave Clarke: 1:03:39

I wouldn't recommend firing him only because if you, if you do ride it out with Bill as long as humanly possible. I wouldn't fire him from any job. But if you ride it out with Bill as long as humanly possible, there's like a 98% chance that everybody gets a day off For either his birthday or his death day when he dies in New England. Like there's a good chance.

Bob Kelly: 1:03:55

If you like, let this be amicable if you let this just like, just play out like you get a Monday off every like September. Like just because it was like after he dies.

Dave Clarke: 1:04:05

So that's like. I would just hope for that at this point.

Bob Kelly: 1:04:09

That's right. If he dies at some point in his life, in September we're gonna replay that yeah.

Rayshawn Buchan: 1:04:15

Wake me up with some severance.

Dave Clarke: 1:04:19

It's, it's up September for you guys. It is.

Bob Kelly: 1:04:22

That's a good reference. The rest of the rest of these guys. It's a terrible fucking song. The rest of these guys, you know I mean we already talked about the range a little bit Titan, steelers, browns, broncos I think the biggest thing that jumps out to me there's what's gonna happen with the Broncos. I guess in the Steelers there's so much differential and like their ceilings and basements to me with those teams. Anyone else you guys want to touch on? I mean?

Dave Clarke: 1:04:49

I mean not to, not to be this guy, not really right. I Feel like the Steelers could.

Bob Kelly: 1:04:56

Initially win that division.

Dave Clarke: 1:04:58

I could win that division I like they can make the playoffs.

Bob Kelly: 1:05:01

Winning the division is tough. That's the, that's the bangles and the Ravens.

Dave Clarke: 1:05:05

Oh yeah, right, I forgot about the bangles. The Ravens are not gonna be good this year, so we'll talk about that when we get there, but I did forget about the bangles. But they could potentially make the playoffs. I think Kenny Pickett's good like. I think he's legitimate. He's good, like I think you know as much as it probably annoys New England fans to know this, I think that he's Probably making lists across the entire Worldwide web of, like you know, exciting young prospects. To watch over the next few years is like a he might be, he might be the guy. And in in in Pittsburgh, which is a place where if you're the guy, then you're you're usually pretty successful. They're still unbelievable at drafting skill positions out of nowhere. I like that there's a fucking yeah right, he's a right free. I mean, so I like their draft those, those catches he's making just stupid and, honestly, I like their strength, I like their sketch. I mean, it might be another sort of situation where I'm arguing for their potential While you guys are telling me and then eventually you're right that their schedule was so easy, that's why they want so many games. But they have the potential to win a lot of games like okay, they're. First of all, yes, they're playing San Francisco week one. Right, that's fair enough. Mike Tomlin's record week one is bananas like. He like never loses a fucking week one game, no matter who they fucking play, no matter how bad their team is. So they could potentially just like I don't know what, what that is Like he just has him ready to go from training camp and then it's like Cleveland, las Vegas, houston, baltimore. Baltimore wow. Baltimore, especially divisionally LA, the Rams, not the Chargers, fucking. Jacksonville, tennessee, green Bay, cleveland, again Cincinnati okay, they should probably lose that one, but like it's winnable all up until that point, arizona winnable New England, sorry, right, winnable Indianapolis, winnable Cincinnati they'll probably lose that one. Seattle they're probably lose that one, but we'll see, like Baltimore, at the very end of the tail end of the season, when Baltimore's probably Fucking completely checked out because they have nothing that they can possibly do, because they've got no talent around their best player anymore, and All of a sudden the Steelers are 10 wins.

Bob Kelly: 1:07:12

Every every year it's the same bullshit. It's not, though it's, it's, I mean I'm not that I mean, like it's the same bullshit with them, that this is what they do every year. Your hundred, this schedule is a Joke, that that's, this is what's gonna happen. You're, you're, a hundred.

Dave Clarke: 1:07:29

So I mean, Like there's some upside there yeah.

Rayshawn Buchan: 1:07:34

I'm in bed? No for sure. I mean listen, uh, and I'll address the Steelers that play in the minute, but I feel about, well, how you trying to build time to talk about my Tomlin. My Tomlin is Definitely a top three, top five coach and in the game, so people are motivational. Simply, I think that he, he just knows how to get the best out of his players, will challenge their heart, challenge their IQ, so and so, first, so I respect him as a coach far until his past go, and this is not really so as just the words. My home is at the land. Listen, I know that there's still a fans, regardless who's been the quarterback, you guys have not been this one, it mattered. That's not opinion, that's the fact. Even last year, we came in a week to when we look off for the week before that smoke came in every. So your house. So I just, it doesn't matter, I just ride, I would just I would just it doesn't matter.

Dave Clarke: 1:08:37

I would just respond to that with the idea that, like you're talking about it mattering and beating the Patriots Doesn't matter anymore, so they might win no.

Rayshawn Buchan: 1:08:48

This is not me, that that wasn't that fine, but you just said a few moments ago that it's so. People still look at it as oh, I beat, I beat the low rap, beat me yeah but I mean, does it matter? Does it matter?

Speaker 2: 1:08:58

I mean they beat them or not? Like they're not, they're not, they're not, but but the same goes for the.

Bob Kelly: 1:09:03

I don't buy, though.

Dave Clarke: 1:09:04

This is the love this is the same goes for the Steelers, though it's like oh.

Bob Kelly: 1:09:11

Do you but your?

Dave Clarke: 1:09:11

time, your time, out of time, and these two teams are competing with each other is the best teams in the AFC.

Rayshawn Buchan: 1:09:15

That's not the case anymore, so you know, I still, I still stands that. That. That know me. And always, they always talk shit, which is fine, but we're good, we're good friends. No, not a problem. I, I just always hate them. I remind them, regardless of what was behind center, we, we have owned that, that matchup, it's so. It don't matter who's there, it's okay.

Bob Kelly: 1:09:36

Um, that's a matchup that doesn't even get. I ain't eagle at one o'clock on a Sunday anymore, yeah.

Rayshawn Buchan: 1:09:41

Yeah, you know. So I wasn't. Yeah, I don't, it wasn't else, I just know it has been the way I was been there. It's like okay, patriots, when this game to score Phil is that score was again, it should be a good game. But you know, which totally means that I'm saying is that Phil's are gonna win by like three touchdowns. Obviously, when it happens, uh, well, yeah, but it's like, yeah, it hasn't mad, as I just wanted to remind people about that now Once again, I could totally be wrong and was again great to play this clip. If I'm dead wrong, I'm fine with that, but I had to get that reminded. But like said, you're not wrong, dave, but this is a. This is still a surprise that I know that, like they Are, like they like to poke fun, fun in me.

Dave Clarke: 1:10:19

Well, regardless, they won nine games last year, thomas never has.

Bob Kelly: 1:10:24

Vision I can't believe that streak stated lab. I sure it can't fucking.

Rayshawn Buchan: 1:10:31

Yeah, and it's. You know, it's a franchise you.

Dave Clarke: 1:10:34

Proud to play for and it's. It's a good football city and, frankly, a division, with the exception of the Bengals who, when we get there, I have to talk about the fact that they've gone actually a lot better scary, scary better. With the improvements They've made. The division's gone worse around them. So, yeah, you know, and they're scheduled easy as fuck. So I and Kenny pickets just getting better. That's all I'm saying. That's the only point I'm making about Steelers.

Bob Kelly: 1:10:57

That's the only, is the only point.

Dave Clarke: 1:11:01

I'm done.

Rayshawn Buchan: 1:11:03

We always say schedule is easy. When it seems good, right, like when was the hard, it's hard to win. Oh, you're really basically felt like when, when it's good, I feel like for good, for good, good to great team. We say all the stuff is easier. No, like they could, they just. They're just that good.

Dave Clarke: 1:11:17

They're all NFL teams. You got to go play. Yeah, you got, you got to find a way to. Except for the text.

Bob Kelly: 1:11:23

Yeah, yeah.

Rayshawn Buchan: 1:11:24

Yeah, but no but we said but remember, yes, it don't. Baltimore children, this is the Ray Lou was at Reed. You know Baltimore Ravens they lose 12. One is 15. Miami Dolphins like any any give a Sunday and that that's the last off the window. Like guys, the fight for jobs every week, like totally, like we can joke about it and like it's sometimes the joke was true, but it's like it's too hard to get away every week too hard.

Bob Kelly: 1:11:51

So, craig, I apologize this. We're already over an hour, so we might have to cut this into two or something, but we'll get there when we get there. So next week we have. So anything else for the rest of those teams, what do you guys think?

Rayshawn Buchan: 1:12:02

No, I know that that was good. Honestly no right.

Dave Clarke: 1:12:04

That's it I will say the Titans. I disappointed how they kind of like ended up.

Bob Kelly: 1:12:09

I thought they're gonna go to strength.

Dave Clarke: 1:12:11

Yeah, I thought they're gonna go from strength to strength and I thought that maybe, maybe I was given the coaching word credit. Then I don't know, but they're not that good and I don't think the Hopkins is gonna make them that much better.

Bob Kelly: 1:12:21

Yeah, they're right in the right there to your there in the middle, go either way.

Dave Clarke: 1:12:24

Yeah 500, you know exactly.

Bob Kelly: 1:12:29

So this, this next group of mesh kind of excited about. They're not quite yet so close. The top two teams we already talked about panthers to take them out, but the Bears and the Lions, I think these are the two most intriguing teams. We already talked about the Bears a good amount I don't know if you guys notice, but DK's kind of excited about the season. And the Lions I think they have the the most upside of any team that didn't make the playoffs last year. Those are the two teams that when I'm pacing, placing my long shot bets, keep an eye out for the betting preview, definitely doing one. Those are the two teams I'm looking at for the law gods to win the Super Bowl or or at least when they're Divisions and make runs in the playoffs, because they have the talent. They have now the coaching. I think Everflu is really good in Chicago and obviously Campbell is Campbell. You know he got a lot of shit our first, but I think he's actually a fucking great football coach and end of his corny as fuck.

Dave Clarke: 1:13:23

That's why you got all that shit, but he has his guys will literally kill for him. I know you're gonna get inside locker room or not, as the way the world works now. Yeah, that's a goddamn fact.

Bob Kelly: 1:13:34

But yeah, those, those are the two. Man, I'm very excited to watch those two football teams. Those are the teams that every Sunday I'm gonna make sure, either on my red zone or like on the TV somewhere, because they're the funnest, fastest and most electric teams in the NFL. I'm really excited to see that. Could they couldn't quite break the top 10 yet, because we need to see a little more out of them. Yeah, but those two teams, man that they got some upsided this year for sure.

Rayshawn Buchan: 1:13:56

Yeah, I mean, I think we can focus a little more on the truck, obviously. I mean we didn't get back to Chicago. We need to, but I think Don't fucking talk about Chicago anymore.

Dave Clarke: 1:14:11

I am happy to patiently wait my turn.

Rayshawn Buchan: 1:14:16

No, I think that I'm trying to make it for all the time I miss last shit. No, I think that you know Detroit was really they did. They just weren't healthy on defense most of the year. Like I remember that. I remember the game with the Patriots that when a Patriots shut them out, like they literally lost like three corners and, like you know, for drives, so their office was top five update in the NFL last year. So I'm a rock. Same brown is the real deal. I know they added some more Gibbs I, which I think that was that was a surprise pick when he went. I think that I liked him all the way, but I don't love that he went down to To Norley. But I mean, once again, they, you got, you got to get some money. So I don't blame him for that. But yeah, like they golf have done enough to Obviously keep the job. I mean, once again, he played better over there than I thought he would. I thought that he would kind of crash out Over there, but he's, he's been, he's been decent over there. Time of the church. So yeah, I think that once again, I they, how do they get double-digit wins? But I feel like they could be a 9 and 18 easily if everything goes right, but they just have to get better professionals. I think Aaron Glenn is an offensive coordinator, but who's the play for your cowboys back in the day? Oh, yeah, probably so. I think that you know under his toonal it's like I think the day has shown some improvement. Losing a kuda is huge Because I DK said early in the show, like a kuda is he's, he's, he's raw, he's the real deal. Um, I was really like. I. When did he go? Yeah, falcons, so, yeah, so, yeah, so yeah. So that's, that's a big loss. And obviously I know they traded Hawkinson, you know, with the division, was just a bunch as wild, you know. So that's to me that that's the ultimate. Just the fact you live, when you trace someone within division you don't think you still do anything. But I'm like he's super young, so I don't know why they thought that he wasn't gonna still do.

Bob Kelly: 1:16:12

Damage, especially within that division.

Rayshawn Buchan: 1:16:13

Yeah, but he's the. He's the heck of a talent in my thing, but anyways. But yeah, like strike, yeah, winning night game and think that you know long they stay healthy and what's? The guy know that that's a. That's a cliche thing, but it's true. I feel like if they Defensively improved it wasn't in the office is there then? Yeah, they should be someone that makes noise, not just in the embassy north but, I think, across the NFL and yes so yeah, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're worse, starting to come through Mike. Yeah.

Bob Kelly: 1:16:44

That's a good little throwback for all you old MTP fans there. Yeah, I mean. Last thing about the Lions before you go decay.

Dave Clarke: 1:16:50

Well, I'm gonna do the Lions. I got lion stuff Good.

Bob Kelly: 1:16:54

I remember Jared Goff was a Super Bowl quarterback two and a half three years ago.

Dave Clarke: 1:16:57

Right coach, right and intended a Super Bowl. Hey, he had a really good season. He was in the building.

Bob Kelly: 1:17:04

He was really good that year. Yeah, yeah, he was yeah and that's a level that can't be obtained.

Dave Clarke: 1:17:11

It's just when you say Super Bowl quarterback, it's just a little misleading.

Bob Kelly: 1:17:14

I just wanted he was a Super Bowl Participating.

Dave Clarke: 1:17:17

You got a participation trophy for the Super Bowl. I just wanted to make sure nobody got confused. Didn't score a Super Bowl quarterback different meaning to me, but that's fine, right longest.

Bob Kelly: 1:17:27

His longest reception of the game was the Stefan game. Well, but love that the level. The level was there so it can be reached you know I'm sure you guys have this.

Dave Clarke: 1:17:36

I could probably guess what the teams are, but everybody's got that team in their division of the three rival teams that they hate the least. And you know there's a myriad of reasons why, mainly because you just don't have that much hate to spread out. You know like it's really hard to hate the Packers as much as I do. I have to save some hate for the Vikings because they're just annoying a shit and and have left over for a Detroit team that's been so accommodating to their fellow division attendees over the last I don't know hundred years. So, yeah, just really like polite to their division division rivals by fucking any. But in saying that that opens up a window, that opens up a window Rogers leaving. It's the same thing for the, for the Lions as it is for the Bears. It's it's An opportunity to turn your franchise fortunes around, because they have had to be, it been be ruled under the thumb of Hall of Fame Quarterbacks, just like the Bears have and just like the Vikings have since 1992, like you guys are saying. So I think that they have just as much of a chance as everybody else to sort of make a, a splash in this division and sort of change the the fortunes of their team around. I think the coaching staff, like you were saying, bobby, is a, is a is one that could actually affect a culture change in Detroit. And, quite frankly, if I could take anybody from any team, well, with with the notable exceptions of, like you know, you're Travis Kelsie's, but if any, any regular Human football player, if I could take anyone. I would near mortal many mere mortal I that I could, that I could pip from a team and put them onto the Bears. It would be a two for. Obviously, because it would. It would make the the Lions a lot worse and it would make us a lot better inside the division. But I'm in raw. Same brown is like one of my favorite wide receivers. He's sick. We have his brother Equiminius, who's really good, super athletic not as good as I'm in raw. I'm in raw had a thousand yards catching last season with Jared golf under center, so that's fucking impressive. I will just say that Super. Bowl Jared got. Yes, super Bowl attendee Jared golf had a ticket. So that's nice, but got to watch it from like a really great, because it was a great performance by one. Teddy, you passed the 50 so often, so you know it's great seats yeah, great seats at the Super Bowl as a participant somewhat, but quite frankly I mean that's that's the point I'm gonna land on. We have a Quarterback driven league in this league and if you're looking at the guys and I made this point when I was sorry, my Chicago If you're looking at the guys who are in a race to rule the NFC north, you basically have a Jared golf lead team, a Justin Fields lead team and a Kirk Cousins lead team. Those are the three contenders to win this out and I know who. I'd be fucking bet on, bias aside, honestly, like by like it would try to remove the bias as much as I possibly can. It would be difficult for either of you guys to make a case to me that either of those two guys are better than Justin Fields on paper at this moment. But in saying that, if golf doesn't take a step back, if he doesn't regress which I do think he's going to, I think he Overperformed last year if he doesn't regress, they, they definitely have a shot. I mean, their defense is solid. They had, I think, the number one, like they were. There were statistical leaders in a bunch different categories for a few weeks last year and it might have been a little bit of a glitch.

Bob Kelly: 1:20:52

It was at the tail end, I remember yeah, yeah, they were like the worst of the best and like yeah.

Dave Clarke: 1:20:57

Yeah, and and that's you know. You're not gonna shrug that off. I honestly am the most worried about them of anybody, because I know what the Vikings bring to the table, I know what the Packers don't have, which is anything, and I know that the thank God fucking. Finally, I mean, they can still take games off you and division games, especially in that division, we always beat each other up, no matter how bad everybody is. But the Lions are who I'm scared of, because they could come out and they could look like a solid 11-1 team, or potentially even more if depending on their strength schedule, and I think that that's that's difficult. I think they're probably in pole position. If I was completely gonna remove the bias and I was gonna bet on on the best team for next year In this division, I probably would bet on the Lions. I'm not gonna cuz fuck them, but I Probably would. To be honest, I think that on paper they look really good, with the exception of Jared Goff. I think that that's gonna be really their kryptonite. They have to upgrade at that position. If they're gonna, they're gonna make really big moves going forward, but if they don't, they're in the exact same boat as the Vikings, which is above average, which is just not good enough, because good enough is the death of great, and that's what. That's the Kirk Cousin syndrome that they're gonna get into if they, if they're not careful Shit. Josh Allen might fucking be staring on that pipe at this point, though, so it's hard to be great in this league. You know it's, it's, it's not. I'm not. I'm not slapping you in the face for that, but as far as the Bears go, I mean essentially, poles came in and he he made promises about the kind of team that he was gonna build. He Was like I'm gonna go get really fast guys, really athletic guys and guys that want to be here, and he's done that. He upgraded the offensive line, which might actually change Justin Fields from being the most sack quarterback in the NFL to not being the Most sack quarterback in the NFL, which I think just that by that merit alone, we win more games than we did last year, but additionally, the defensive drafting and the free agency pickups that we've made of the on the defensive side of the ball, it's super, super encouraging to me. We've got a lot of guys on my wish list and guys that are hard-nosed fast. We really still need to upgrade, edge rushing and and I think the fact that we haven't means that we're waiting for that to be our key piece On defense, which means that we don't think this is the year, which is fine because we still have our first round pick and the fucking Panthers first round pick next, next draft. But I think this year is gonna be a lot of fun. So, without trying to let those other teams Run away with it and still keep it a monest, I'm good with whatever happens with the Bears this year. I long shot through a pick is is is out of the question, bobby, you don't need to do that, but I do. Making the playoffs long shot. Making making the playoffs I'm not sure if that's even a long shot. To be honest with you, I think that that could definitely happen. When we won six games last year and we're fucking turgid we had nobody. We made a lot of upgrades, we, we got the first overall pick and did a really smart thing with it. I have left this offseason with a lot more faith in our GM than I've ever had, honestly, in a GM. And the history of supporting the Bears. I think that they have a plan, I think they have a vision, I think they have good coaching staff and I'm excited to see what they do.

Rayshawn Buchan: 1:23:45

I'll say this before we move on if y'all, if y'all play At least 90% of how y'all played, we said me when God came in England and put it, put us over your knee. And yeah, I was sorry, yeah, it was, it was. Yeah, I bet it was, it should have been. You know that. Then, yeah, you can, you can you give a book in that you know it's all down to fields. I mean, it's all done, it's all down fields and and how?

Dave Clarke: 1:24:08

much time he gets, how, what kind of development he makes this year. And if you start to look at this team and you say, okay, there it, fields is there, there are a couple pieces away, that's fucking great news, right? That's to me what I'm looking for at the end of this end of the season fields is there, there are a couple pieces away, because we don't have a dominant edge rusher, which I just think back in the day I'm wearing a briner lacquer jersey. Back in the day I think your skill position on on defense, your your most athletic position. I just say not your skill position, your most athletic position, your most important guy in defense. I always loved it when it was a middle linebacker because it was like guys that could switch from pressuring the quarterback, stopping the run Coverage, you know, or lacquer was the best at that, he was a jack of all trades, he was a nine out of ten and everything. The you maybe your Ray Lewis's are more popular because they were harder hitting and you know they had. They went through bowls and stuff like that. But that was the position I was always out for. That has changed now in the modern NFL with the how athletic everybody is and how fast everybody is. You need a sick edge rusher. You need yeah, exactly, you need a number 11 over there and in Dallas land. You need a guy that can put pressure on the quarterback. Play after play, after play after play, your middle guys are gonna be stopping the run. You're your linebackers are basically all coverage guys now, with how fast and athletic all the fucking tight ends are. So that edge rusher Position is gonna be so important for our defense to become elite. We didn't go do that, which is fine, it's totally fine. I think we made a lot of smart choices. Maybe, maybe, we'll see, I mean.

Bob Kelly: 1:25:34

I think.

Dave Clarke: 1:25:34

I think he's a little bit more traditional linebacker, I think.

Bob Kelly: 1:25:37

I think he's more sad line, he's more silent.

Dave Clarke: 1:25:40

Yeah, I think so too, but it depends, I mean depends how we use them, and I do think that there's guys in the drafts coming up that I would love to see Out of certain teams in the SEC that I would love to see and become a bearer's pressure. You know, sec country obviously fucking breeds unbelievable Athletic, like fuck yeah, they do, I think even just saying that, I bet you guys thought of three guys that I might be referring to, and though Didn't yeah but. But you know it's like at the end of the day, if that's the last piece, if that's the last jewel you put in the crown after you get fields there, you get them protected, you get them weapons, you do this, you do that and then bang, you move that elite defense up. Then the sky's the limit, because fields again, that's who the guy I'd want to have of all four quarterbacks right now in the NFC.

Bob Kelly: 1:26:25

Nor I think, with the bears, the last thing was saying is I think what's what's really telling about them is the moves they're making, aren't the splashy moves, which is which is kind of what you saw the bears do in the past and what I've seen. They're the smart move, right. They're going like you said they're going out to get the football guys. They're going out to get the guys that maybe you've never heard their name, but they play 16 out of 16 weeks every goddamn year, right, you?

Dave Clarke: 1:26:52

gotta build the core, you gotta build the ever loose that kind of.

Bob Kelly: 1:26:55

Is the exact, that exact, what was? A template where you didn't really know who he was coming in right. You were kind of like down about the move when you hired him.

Dave Clarke: 1:27:05

But well, he did exactly that, though he well, he did exactly that. He built a defense in Indianapolis of guys that you may not hear about all the time, but they become high five defense, you know exactly, exactly, and that's that's the route they're going.

Bob Kelly: 1:27:16

It's the right way to go, it is.

Dave Clarke: 1:27:18

There's something about improving players, like the idea of improving the players that you have. Obviously, new England is the absolute pinnacle, best example of this over the last 20 years like taking guys that are have potential, recognize the potential, working on that potential, making them into guys in that system that can do one specific job Incredibly well for you. That, to me, is a great recipe for success and a thing that we're trying to do here and like there. You know the news coming out of camp. Obviously that's what they always do, like positive news coming out of training camp, like this, that and the other. But the news coming out of camp is a Lot of work has been done in the offseason individually. A lot of homework assignments were handed out of, like what we wanted guys to come Back looking like a lot of promises are made about long-term futures for certain guys at certain positions, especially in secondary and yeah, I mean our secondary I'm excited about I think we're covered across the board there. I think we have. I think we have, obviously, really good quarterback one. I think we have a really good strong safety and I think that they're they were young last year like a lot of young guys you know, so it's you know you bring them back and you and you exploit that potential. It's, I'm in, I'm in my bag right now because, at the end of the day, this is the best it's gonna be. It's all right now, but it's.

Bob Kelly: 1:28:29

I'm looking forward to it Before we get in the extra power. I think too, it's so, so huge. They guys actually got a fucking wide receiver. I can't stress that enough about every.

Dave Clarke: 1:28:41

Exactly, he's not a full number one.

Bob Kelly: 1:28:44

He's not gonna always demand the ball, but he's gonna be able to make the big plays we need.

Dave Clarke: 1:28:47

But our wide receiver room is looking like very respectable if Claypool can like hit his upside and you know if guys. Claypool, yeah, and like Cole Comet, if he can keep playing the ways he's playing we have. I think we did smart things at running back. I, you know we seem to be able to go get running backs Nobody else wants and they turn out to be good. So, like, cleo, herbert will be our running back one, but we have guys backing him up that are that are just as good. So I'm I'm looking forward to the skill positions too. To be honest with you, because it's not necessarily Justin Fields. There's no excuse season. We're probably one season away from that, but you're gonna learn a lot about who he's gonna be. Yeah, a lot.

Bob Kelly: 1:29:20

You'll probably be able to make the call this year, to be honest, I Think it's so crazy how many teams actually think that they can Expect a quarterback to take them to the problems land without fucking wide receivers. It's the most blasphemous. You said it about Josh Allen, right, like, look at his numbers, it's so fucking crazy.

Dave Clarke: 1:29:36

I'm not saying that DJ Morris Stephon digs, but, like you know, you have to give them something to win or lose. What was my siren song? What was the thing I cried about every fucking week? I just want to win or lose on the merit of the guy. I want to win or lose on Justin Fields, like on his head, be it, you know. I mean because if you start to work around your QB and you start trying to figure out ways to win without him or or not, like relying on him to win you the game, then you're not gonna win anything. It's just the way that this fucking league works. Yes, it's just, it just is so. Yeah, I mean, maybe there's some game managers that have been in attendance of a Super Bowl, but they're not winners.

Bob Kelly: 1:30:14

Hopefully, hopefully. That's the first of many bear stocks this year, because I really like sorry.

Dave Clarke: 1:30:18

I've been, they've been building.

Bob Kelly: 1:30:19

It's been a listen, I get it. I get it. Yeah, so, yeah. So now, after an hour and a half of Excited football talk from three giddy just beyond Excited football fans, oh, do you?

Dave Clarke: 1:30:31

decide on number 10 for the power games.

Bob Kelly: 1:30:33

Yeah, we're, yeah, we're finally at the top 10. Okay, kind, so we have. We have a decision to make for number 10 here. I actually left out the John's, I forgot to put them here. The Giants are one of them, so it's Jets, chargers, seahawks, vikings. That's for the final spot in the power rankings. Who makes it? Who reaches the gory land For the first preseason? Give me, give me you guys best pitches. Give me one team who you think should go in. You got 30 seconds Decadent.

Dave Clarke: 1:31:06

I'm going first I'm gonna say that's tough, the Bears. So the thing about the Bears is now, I'm just kidding, I'll pick from your list. I love it, yeah, I loved it.

Bob Kelly: 1:31:15

Yes, I.

Dave Clarke: 1:31:18

Honestly I probably went with the Bears at 10, just after. I'm fired up about him now, but if, picking from your list, I'll probably pick the Chargers. I think that they had. I think that they were the most talented, worst coach team of last year. I think that I'm not ready to give up on Herbert. I still think he's super fucking talented. I still think they have a lot of weapons. I still think that they deserve to start in the power rankings based on pure on paper talent. I know they underachieved last year and their coaching was a Abysmal, if we're being honest, like players looking around not knowing their assignments, like it was really, really bad. And it's hard to root for a team like that. And I was, because I started out the fantasy season with Herbert on my team but eventually made enough trades to make to the finals, to the final game and lose again. But the Again again Three years that only took two hours. But I'm gonna go with the Chargers. Just because you said to keep it 30 seconds, I'll go with the Chargers.

Rayshawn Buchan: 1:32:07

I just think, on paper, of all these teams, they're the most talented right, this is this her spoon to say I gotta put the Jetson number 10 because of Rodgers. Oh, roger, that was the. I thought they. They were pretty good last year I've got obviously they've folded towards again because entries and you know just being where they are, being the Jets. But when you get a guy this caliber, when you're in Rodgers and most again you're getting your tour girl, we'll send you getting Bruce Hall back. You know you're getting, you know another year with sauce gone of being, you know being potential top quarter in his league. Like I just think they have so much that they're gonna throw it off of and they're gonna be the most energized. They've been just started season since they got Brad farm, you know, 15 years ago. So I just think, for just for that alone, I feel like they they should be a 10. I think the truck that that charges pick is it's actually it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, uh, it's understandable. But you know, I just I think that there's another team I could think of. It would be the near jets.

Bob Kelly: 1:33:08

So, just based off of what we've seen so far, I think it's gotta be the charges, right? I mean, I really do want to pick the Jets because I love their defense and I think they were quarterback away for like all of last year. We said that almost every fucking week. If they had and everybody's a quarterback, everybody's a quarter, but they they literally needed like someone who could throw the fucking ball period. It's the charges. So I hate fucking Brenn Staley so much. He's the worst football coach I've ever seen that he's worse than Jason Garrett, I think he's. He's things Maybe, maybe a hack. It hack. It was actually the worst, but he's one of the worst football coaches I've ever seen. Man.

Rayshawn Buchan: 1:33:44

We need, we need, we need to talk about that Shawty better fucking.

Dave Clarke: 1:33:49

Fuck you.

Rayshawn Buchan: 1:33:50

You better deliver this year.

Bob Kelly: 1:33:52

I like it. I like it, I really like it too.

Rayshawn Buchan: 1:33:55

Wait wait, wait, I do too. Yeah, I like it too.

Dave Clarke: 1:33:58

I was like Can't say that I'll allow them, like I used to pay guys to hurt guys, jump ain't.

Bob Kelly: 1:34:04

Listen, I'm paying, I'm paying as a huge hog. I don't know if you guys knew that if you, if you go, if you go to the, the NFL coaches like to have like a get together ready to take a big picture PMT they were talking about. They zoomed in. He's right in the front row. You could literally just see the entire thing just sticking like no wonder this dude's so fucking confident it's got he's got a nine inch just hole hanging between. That's Sean Payton for you, bro, but on that note, it's the Chargers.

Dave Clarke: 1:34:33

That's what I would say.

Bob Kelly: 1:34:35

Yeah, okay, so we're going to Chargers, chargers, congratulations, you've been brought up in the same sentence as, uh, sean Payton, to jog for the first time, probably last time this year. Number 10, the, the Los Angeles Chargers, and then so we'll just go right down. We'll go all the way up to six here. So nine is the dolphins, uh, eight Jags I loved it during the preseason powering is, it makes me so happy the Ravens, uh, at seven and my beloved Cowboys at six. I'm just gonna jump in real quick for my Cowboys and I think I, I almost I was so close to putting them at five, but I just couldn't actually put them ahead of the Bangalore. It's just because of who I know Joe burrow is. But the upside of this Cowboys team is the highest I've seen it in a long time, like since the, the, the triple headed, demarco, bryant, romo year, where it was like they were An easy top two, top three team in the league that year. Obviously they didn't fucking close the deal, as we never do, but but the talent and youth on this football team, added with the vets that they brought in, just seems like it's the perfect recipe for a team that's that's Finally ready to break this fucking curse. It really is, man that from from cooks Gilmore digs. I just think the Gilmore and cooks deals are deals that Cowboys haven't made and Literally the entire time I've been a fan of the Cowboys. They don't make these free agent deals. They don't bring in these vets like this to to fill these roles and they just substitute In these dudes like they think they're the patriots and they try and bring in dudes that undrafted Dennis Houston and fucking who was that other guy last year? I can't even remember his fucking name the wide receiver with the fucking dreads. But these, these guys that suck. And Finally they're bringing in guys that actually can make a difference to fill these roles. So I just think the Cowboys upside Is is higher than I remember in a long time. What are you guys saying?

Dave Clarke: 1:36:37

Well, I think I think you have potential top three, maybe even top one defense. Potentially. I think that you will win your division. I think that you'll win 12 games. I Think that you did a smart thing by making those personnel pickups, like you said. I think you did the necessary thing by cutting Zeke. Finally, we don't have that conversation.

Bob Kelly: 1:37:00

Thanks, fucking God.

Dave Clarke: 1:37:02

Tony Pollard Hopefully he's the guy returns from his broken leg with the same explosiveness and efficiency and elusiveness and elusiveness that he had last year. I think a broken leg means very different thing in 2023 than it did in 2003, so I know it's very possible. I think that I think that the Mike McCarthy Kellan switch is a good one. I think that all that's true and I still don't think that press cuts the guy. And I think, when I'm just looking at the rest of the list and I think you have all this potential in the world and in a ton of different places I think CD lamb is Actually criminally underrated for his for his efficiency numbers and and and the explosiveness that he has. I think he gets forgotten about a lot in the conversation of best guys at his position. I think he's top ten, at least Borough my homes. Josh Allen I just don't think he's that dude man. I came to that conclusion last year and I just don't I just made I mean, he has to become a different person. He has to become a different. He has to come into this season with a mentality that he just, he just doesn't has never had before. For you guys to be where you're, you're saying you could potentially be in a blue sky scenario, and what I think is probably gonna happen, bobby and I hate to say it is I think you're gonna win your division, I think you're gonna play Like a good team in the first round and probably beat them, and then you're gonna come into the hot 49ers again, you're gonna bump into the guy 49ers, you're just gonna bump into the hottest team because of where you're at and and and and what it looks like for your team every year, and I just I haven't seen anything that has dissuaded me from that point. I think the Cowboys are a Guaranteed to be the Cowboys. It's just the way it always seems to work. And I think when you got that dude under center, I he just proved to me last year I, I rode with you, I was with you, I was like I love their defense, I love this, I was, I was with it. When you got that dude under center, I just don't think he's that guy man, I don't. And the fact that he was the ewing theory last year, like when he set out those games, like you know you, you, your offense started to actually look a simple and efficient and Properly run and like your team looked defensive first and and a team that actually could win a Super Bowl, you know, based on the merit of their defense. But because of his profile and where he ranks, but he's not quite there. You're never gonna be that. You're always gonna be relying on Dak to be the dude for you. You're never gonna let your defense lead. You're never gonna let your defense be the star. Well, as long as he's there and he's not gonna manage games for you and and and when games for you, he's just gonna be that trick-or-treat quarterback that's gonna, fucking, you know, win big games and then fucking lose in spectacular fashion when he's yeah, it's it because it's like he's so he's so clearly concerned about his numbers and his Performances. That's the thing that rubbed me the wrong way, that I finally realized about him last year. It's like it's about how he's performing in his head. It's about how he's performing, not how the team's performing, and I just that's why he gets into quicksand so easily, that's why he can't dig himself out. It's because he's in his own fucking head, you know, and it's, it's about that, that, that, that, that, that, that. And I just you know, now that Zeke's gone and you can sort of see that the cloud lifted of that era of, like those two guys and like all that, you know, all that swagger they brought in, all that shit they talked in those contracts they got.

Bob Kelly: 1:40:11

I think you're best buddies.

Dave Clarke: 1:40:13

I think you're gonna see that too. I really do, because like, otherwise you know it's like I hate to say it, but like I think the cowboys would have a better shot at winners through the ball if they had Jimmy Garoppolo To be like 100% honest with you, like or or some some guy, some situation like the 49ers had last year we're just the game manager, can come in and actually do some shit. I think you got a great running back. I think you got great weapons and I think you got it. You need a guy that can score you two to three touchdowns a game and you can hold fucking other teams to three to seven points a game, and that's how you, the Dallas Cowboys, should be winning games, when instead you're winning like 43 to 31 and the 31 is given up by one of the better defenses in the fucking in the NFL, because they're on the fucking field the whole time because Daxie they're throwing an interception, or he scored too quickly, or and he hasn't just like marched down the field. So it's just to me it's he's the reason, and I hate to shit. I'm not trying to be a dick, I just I'm just calling it like I see it. Maybe I'm wrong.

Bob Kelly: 1:41:07

You'll. You'll notice that he was left out of my explanation of why I think the upside is is is so high. I strictly based off of those big game scenarios. But, Ray, what do you think about my boys, man?

Rayshawn Buchan: 1:41:19

So I I see you for the first time in a while. I've invested interests they wish I would do Y'all. Japt is someone that I I grew up with his family. His name is Jalen Brooks. I, just out of Carolina he's a wild receiver was picked in the 7th round. Yeah, he, you know, he, I know, is the biggest issue they. They was able him with separation. But I mean, listen, you can't teach how he's built these six, three to ten. So it's like that. That alone was gonna get him at least an opportunity. So I'm happy to see.

Dave Clarke: 1:41:52

Enough weapons where he's not happy to have you on board. He's not separating from their best guys, right, so you know what exactly? Chance he gets a shot right, so it's hard for fucking everybody. Dude, these guys are monsters.

Rayshawn Buchan: 1:42:04

Yeah, no, that's true, but I'm happy that he's at least getting shot. What you do with this is up to him, but I'm glad he's doing that. But yeah, I mean, listen, the talent has been the issue, which is a matter of, like, you know, it's everything that we put together at you know the right time and, once again, so this is not a matter of talent. Yeah, I'm with you, dk, I'm out on deck as well. I have have kept him in the past and I'm just like, yeah, like he's, he's decent, but you know, to me he's no different in Kirk Evans, right, you know, we saw what Kirk has me and a guy that just up in the regular season and you know, it's just like that he just he is, though, and it's it is true We've been showing for he has the potential for more exciting, thank you.

Dave Clarke: 1:42:48

He has the potential for more exciting plays from time to time, and like weapons that are like, but it is very similar. If you look around at the guys around him, he's got like top five talent. He's got everything he should need to succeed, but when the lights get bright, when the lights get bright, the Dak show ends in fucking tears every time. Yeah, yeah, I don't want it to be true. For your sake, bobby. I don't want it to be true, but it's just like.

Bob Kelly: 1:43:14

That's just what it's so for it's so funny because I was so insulted the first time I saw that comparison, like I was like, oh my god, get the. But it really it. It really is man, and this is absolutely make a break for Dak, if there's any.

Dave Clarke: 1:43:27

So I would say there's make a break for him to be honest with you. But like action, but like this.

Bob Kelly: 1:43:33

This actually is, though, because you know, yes, for a lot of people the opinion make a break was last year, but, like actually, with his career in the Cowboys and his position as the starting quarterback for the Cowboys, I think this is it, man, because if you were to rank who has the most pressure out of all quarterbacks in the NFL on them, I think Dak is one. Right, it can. Maybe Dak and Kirk. It's those two. It's the same, same, exact comparison, because they they have these good teams here in Europe and they can't close the deal. There's no one else in that situation. They may be Josh Allen.

Dave Clarke: 1:44:06

Josh Allen. I think, probably for me, like he's starting to get that, like the doubts are starting to creep in and you know that he's, like I said, he's consensus number three now and I think that the pressure on Josh Allen is a little greater.

Bob Kelly: 1:44:18

But okay, so Alan and then probably Dak. Dak is probably two. Then sure, because if Dak doesn't get it done this year he goes from a top 10 15 quarterback in the NFL to who the fuck knows. You know, it was the thing is you.

Dave Clarke: 1:44:31

The thing is it's like you. It's talking about the difference between regular season and the playoffs too. Right, it's like I, at the end of the day, like everything I said at the start and everything you said at the start is true. Like they have a good roster, potentially great roster, they have a talented coaching staff, they are gonna win double-digit games and Dak is gonna have a statistically top 10 season. Like that is all probably gonna be true, right, but it's just that I test of like I don't know. Like it's like the end of the day, like if he's going up against Joe Burrow, like I'm putting my left nut on Joe Burrow. It's just it's, it's not it's not, it's a no contest, you know what I mean. Like that's it's. There's a world where I bet on Baker Mayfield over him in it, in the correct situation.

Bob Kelly: 1:45:13

You know what I mean.

Dave Clarke: 1:45:14

Like I'm talking, about in the correct situation, in the correct situation. That, that, that one fucking hurt bro, that one fucking. I don't think.

Bob Kelly: 1:45:32

I'm not talking about.

Dave Clarke: 1:45:32

I'm not talking about over the course of the regular season. He's gonna be some Baker Mayfield. I'm not even saying that like in a in a playoff run. I'd rather have Baker Mayfield. But if Baker Mayfield like came on right for an injured, someone in a In a, in a in a in the divisional playoffs against Dak and and it was like Baker suiting up, like I'm talking about the right context like Baker's.

Bob Kelly: 1:45:53

It's not I could. I could see that. I can see it's not making it better.

Rayshawn Buchan: 1:45:58

Right it hurts more and more.

Bob Kelly: 1:46:25

I was hoping. I was hoping to escape this power. The first power ranking show, I was hoping, depressed, and you know we couldn't even, couldn't even get through the first one without just fucking hitting my soul, man.

Dave Clarke: 1:46:37

It's because I lost a lot of money on the Cowboys last year, to be honest with you. Oh, it's fucking dead. I know, I know.

Bob Kelly: 1:46:41

I did too. I was with you, man. We talked about a lot.

Dave Clarke: 1:46:46

Oh, my God. I'm sorry, I'm not, I don't mean to be personal. It's not that.

Rayshawn Buchan: 1:46:51

That guy really pissed me off last year.

Bob Kelly: 1:46:55

In the interest I mean. So Dolphins Jags, ravens. Out of those three, who, who? Who has the best shot at winning a Super Bowl out of the Dolphins, jags and Ravens?

Dave Clarke: 1:47:04

I think the Ravens are so depleted dude, like I know that they got Lamar back and like you know they signed that contract or whatever, but they're so depleted Like I just don't see. I'm surprised that you have them as high up as you do. To be honest, like I don't think that they're the same team. I think that their championship window is closing rapidly and I think that it's not Lamar Jackson's fault. I'm like I'll just I'll maintain that yeah, I'll fucking day I die. I watched that dude play football. You can kids these days. Him all you want. He's fucking sick. So like whatever, and I'm glad he got paid. But and you know all that, all the ups and downs, that offseason aside, that's not going to help the locker room. But all that aside, I just think, personnel wise, they're not as good as they were last year. I think that they were coughing up defensively. They were coughing up leads Like it was their fucking job, and their job is quite literally the opposite. Yeah, the way that they were losing games was like not not a good look last year and they, they have done nothing to make me think that that's going to change. I don't think it's a super well run organization. I think if it was all that shit with Lamar wouldn't happen. Yeah, I mean, I don't know, you can. People will probably blame Lamar. They probably will. Oh, he's a running bag. Oh, he can't really throw, he fucking can Like, he just can and he's really good. And I don't, I will defend him. Just because I watched him play football, so like just on the eye test, I was hoping he'd go somewhere else so that we could see a fresh version of him with some different weapons and a different scheme that could really take advantage of them. And I just think it's going to be the same old story. So, of those three teams you just mentioned, I think that they're three. I like the Jags a lot. I like watching them, I watch their offense. I like watching their offense. I think that the QB down there might actually have some fancy football potential this year. I think that he's he's solid. I think that people, people are writing them off in the first half of last season where, it being a little short-sighted, but number one out of the three, probably the Dolphins. In saying that this is a pretty fragile part of the power rankings list, I have to say it always is, but it's fragile because at the end of the day, the Dolphins could potentially be one of the best teams in the NFL, as long as they prevent to it from getting sacked at all. So if he's healthy and the offensive line takes a leap forward and they prevent every single sack that they can possibly prevent, and he can start to go off to those weapons, because I still think he has the most exciting receiving core in the NFL. I don't think that's changed. Maybe not the best. I mean, you know we've talked about the Justin Jeffersons and and all these guys, but they're so excited they're so excited to watch. They're just absolute fucking box office. So I don't want him to get sacked, I want him to take advantage of that, but unless they have a backup plan, I think they could drop out of his power rankings pretty quickly too. So, just because of his health, and I don't want to see him fucking, you know, not be able to remember his fucking kids names or whatever, because I don't, I don't know how bad these concussions are.

Bob Kelly: 1:49:40

We don't we don't need any more finger finger curls this year. Nobody wants this. I'm not okay with that.

Dave Clarke: 1:49:45

It's dude, that's fucking brain damage, bro, like that's not so scary you know, like and and with with everything that happened with DeMar Hamlin and stuff, and like the kind of the way that I think that most human football fans were affected by some of the stuff that happened in the NFL last year, especially DeMar Hamlin. It's like I got no interest in seeing them and I'm just trying to watch the sport, I'm trying to watch the spectacle. I don't want to see anybody get hurt. I don't want to see anybody's future like affected long term. I know that's not like a very fun old school attitude of like he's paralyzed, but I just like I don't, I don't, I don't like to see that's old school, I feel like that's.

Bob Kelly: 1:50:20

it's that old.

Dave Clarke: 1:50:22

It's the old Patrice and Neil bit where. He's like when I play football and somebody got hurt, we weren't fucking kneeling. We're saying the crowd was shin. He's paralyzed. That's what the game was like for me. Now they're all fucking in a prayer circle. Anyway, it's a good bit for anyone Check out. Patrice and Neil. He's wonderful.

Bob Kelly: 1:50:43

But oh yeah, Rest in peace. I'm the thing.

Dave Clarke: 1:50:48

And after, after seeing to get curl get his toes curled a couple of times. I just and in the wrong way. Yeah, exactly, yeah, right, exactly. I don't, I don't want to see that guy's health and future affected and I think that. I think he could walk away right now and probably find if he's smart with his money. So I don't know. I'm nervous to see their first couple of games. I am because I know that he's a competitor. I know that he's going to want to get out there and chuck the fucking ball and try to win games for very good but probably the best offense team we've ever seen Like wow, we've been alive on paper. So I know he doesn't want to let us team down and I know that it's very disappointing for Dolphins fans because he is better than anyone thought he was going to be when he was healthy and he's playing. But that offensive line needs to understand that they have a fucking more responsibility than any other offense. I mean the entire fucking NFL. They really need to understand their history, history and history, yeah, yeah. And because I know, what defensive linemen are and I know what they're like and they're out there being like maybe one of us gets to kill him.

Bob Kelly: 1:51:46

So like you got to be fucking careful.

Dave Clarke: 1:51:48

You got to be careful with that guy, so right. So, especially if they have to pay Sean Payton, if they have to play Sean Payton team this year, it's like, oh God, he might actually pay someone to try to kill you. So who?

Bob Kelly: 1:51:58

knows, greg Williams isn't really getting what, so we're going to yeah.

Dave Clarke: 1:52:01

Are they playing in Doma-Consu at any time? Because that's not. I didn't. I don't know what he's up to Probably fucking running over kids.

Rayshawn Buchan: 1:52:13

Oh, my God.

Bob Kelly: 1:52:14

What do you think right?

Dave Clarke: 1:52:20

I guess piece of shit. I'm sorry. It's not my fault.

Rayshawn Buchan: 1:52:24

But is it okay to say like neither, Like I don't know?

Bob Kelly: 1:52:27

Yeah, of course it is yeah.

Rayshawn Buchan: 1:52:30

But I mean, what's but for content purposes? Yeah. So I think that's a good start. My, my MD, probably have the best chance, with the three of you just named, of winning Jacksonville, still, I think, a couple of years away. I like say Jones. I like you know, I like the fact that they picked the cover really also in the offseason. I've been, I've been, a long time fan of Martin Joe Jr. I just think that he's not someone who's ever been a one, but you know he's in that TJ Hushman's auto.

Bob Kelly: 1:52:52

He's prototypical too man.

Rayshawn Buchan: 1:52:54

Yeah, he's a great, great, great too, so I think that he adds a lot of you know, kind of like a golden take type guy, like you need that type of guy on your, your, your team. So, yeah, I think that you know Morris takes another step and they, they, they do, they do some more damage this season, especially. You know what. You know how we get division is as a whole with ABC South. But, yeah, like that, I don't think any of them have an actual shot to win, but it was like if there was one out of three, it would be mine.

Bob Kelly: 1:53:23

You know. You know it's really hilarious, as we've been here now almost two hours and every team that we've talked about probably doesn't fucking matter because of these top five teams, because they, they, they, they are so far and above and it was the same last year is like we talked about all these teams for 17 weeks and we thought maybe all these teams would come out of that.

Dave Clarke: 1:53:44

Well, we can't. That's why we did that tier system where we would do the guessing game at the end, and it turns out we were right, because one of them won.

Bob Kelly: 1:53:50

And it's just these five teams to me that we're about to list off are the crop of the, the cream of the crop of the NFL. You know, I wish my boys were a part of it, but I just think these five are are two steps ahead of the rest of the NFL and probably the top two or two steps ahead of the rest of the like below them. But so we got the bangles five.

Dave Clarke: 1:54:11

That's fucking so wild and insulting. By the way, Can I just say like that's who you put the niers, you put the bangles.

Bob Kelly: 1:54:18

Yeah, give the rest of the list though.

Dave Clarke: 1:54:22

Yeah, so I've had this gun loaded for two. Those, those, those two, those two.

Bob Kelly: 1:54:28

I went back and forth a lot about so bangles, niners bills, and then obviously, eagles Chiefs are the two in one. What do you think? Bangles, three, bangles for.

Dave Clarke: 1:54:39

I think bangles three yeah bangles three. I think bangles three, just because you can't put them above the Eagles and the and the Chiefs right now because they both played in the Super Bowl. I think bangles number one, seed in the AFC home first round by home field advantage. Fucking Joe Burroughs, bringing all the fucking homies back. Jamar Chase T Higgins I think they upgraded a tight end. I think they finally finally sorted out their offensive line by shifting Fuck, I can't remember their fucking names now they basically they went and finally got a fucking left tackle, a really, really really good left tackle. They're moving their left tackle over to right right tackle. Forgive me for forgetting tackles names. I really do think that they're important to bangles a line. But I think Joe Burroughs, that dude, I think that he's fucking got all the fucking swag in the world. I think he's going to have another, a deeper chip on his shoulder than even then he did last year. I think that they're they're the chip on the shoulder team. I think that they're there. You never can count them out team, no matter what their season is shaping up to look like. And I think they're the. You never fucking give them any credit team, probably because they're the Cincinnati Bengals. I think that they're always a little lower on their on your fucking power rankings than they should be. And, quite frankly, if, if, I can't make the case for them being above the bills on paper, because this is all theoretical and you can only go so far with theory on paper. Maybe you can make the case for the bills. But the 40 fucking Niners dude, did you see how they went out last year? They went out like bitches.

Bob Kelly: 1:56:04

Yeah, they went out like bitches.

Dave Clarke: 1:56:05

They went out. They, I followed them. I was, I was with them the whole way. I was with them the whole way. Fucking sick defense like a laundry. A great, great head coach, who I respect a lot. A laundry list of quarterbacks that apparently are just going to play great in that system, no matter what Running backs that they're finding at the 7-11 around the corner, to come fucking break off for big numbers. I was with them the whole year and then at the end they couldn't even give the fucking credit to the team that beat them. They had to be like well, we were fucking injured and like I hated their reaction to their fucking loss. That, to me, told me everything. I fucking needed to know that they are not above the fucking bank, I'm not above the fucking Bengals and my personal power rankings, but I don't make them, and that's half the fun of this whole.

Bob Kelly: 1:56:42

Thing.

Dave Clarke: 1:56:43

So they were speaking such fucking bitches in the offseason dude, and every word bad said about them in the offseason I fucking agree with. There would be such little fucking cry babies.

Bob Kelly: 1:56:51

You know, sometimes you have to talk about your trauma outwardly to realize the mistakes that you've made and in and in the over, here you want to hill over, here you speak my boundaries. I'm glad you got that. The 49ers are definitely below the Bengals. The bills I have a little tougher yeah, because the bills are the most on paper team.

Dave Clarke: 1:57:12

They're going to do the same shit.

Rayshawn Buchan: 1:57:14

It's like I don't know on paper Like they go.

Dave Clarke: 1:57:16

it's like they're not fucking. I test counts.

Bob Kelly: 1:57:20

Yeah, so all right. So we'll flip the Orlando Brown junior, by the way. That tackle that they got and yeah yeah From Baltimore.

Dave Clarke: 1:57:26

Yeah, and Jonah Williams is switching to the right side, and Jonah Williams said all the right things about switching the right side. He's like I fucking love it, I'm going to smash it. He's like I'm going to smash, I love it. He's like let's do it. So that offensive line is finally going to be good, because the left tackle and like that whole, you know that he was sacked so many fucking times. So even after the Super Bowl, they didn't fucking figure that out after that all time defensive line of the LA Rams absolutely fucking tortured him and he still almost fucking beat them. He's still almost fucking beat them when he was getting hit every other play. So, joe Burrow, at your fucking peril is what.

Bob Kelly: 1:57:58

I'm. That's a fact.

Dave Clarke: 1:58:01

The only guy, I think, that has the mentality that he has his patent homes like those are the two, those are one and one of like of brain right now, with with that last generation finally kind of going the way to the dodo and Brady finally making his way out of the league. I think mentality wise, that's one on one and I think mentality in a quarterback is huge when you're talking about these differences, minuscule, minuscule differences in talent, because like looking Alan, like looking Alan, he's got more fucking tools than Burrow on paper. But like I'm not putting him in book, bro, are you? No, because it's your cojones, baby. Your cojones are what fucking matter in this league. No, bobby was a power, just swag.

Bob Kelly: 1:58:38

Joe swag, I'm rusty, all right.

Dave Clarke: 1:58:40

This is the pre. This is the pre fucking season.

Bob Kelly: 1:58:43

Okay, yeah, I mean. So, after all this, right, we're going to end on this because we're literally at the two hour market. Does any of this matter? Are the chiefs going to repeat? I'm pretty sure the chiefs are going to fucking repeat this. I got the Bengals, I had the chiefs last year. I take them down, yeah, okay.

Dave Clarke: 1:58:58

I had the chiefs last year. I hear that I think that there it's so hard to stay that good, it's so hard to stay that fucking good and I just think, fine, like I also think Burrow. A lot of the time maybe my homestead get over the hump, but he really does have their number a lot of the time I think Burrow League MVP, I think one seed, I think all the things.

Bob Kelly: 1:59:17

It's, it's, it's right. I'm going to go to the? U on this because it kind of hits home here. It's possible, at the end of this season, that my homes has the exact same start as Tom Brady to his career Winning three out of four, having having a down year in between and, you know, having a lot has to happen, you know they have to like win a fucking Super Bowl for it. Yeah, but it's very possible. Like it was the fucking chiefs. I doubted them all year last year and you know what? I've learned my lesson and I'm going into this season saying Someone needs to prove to me that the chiefs are the best team by far. And for them, yeah, because because even Eagles last year right, they looked so talented every single week they got waxed against the chiefs, they got waxed bro. And it's like even the Bengals was all their swag and all this shit. The chiefs ran them out of fucking Kansas City with that. This is what would they say the arrow or burrow, head burrow head.

Dave Clarke: 2:00:20

It was. It was shaping up to be, but it was shaping up to be.

Bob Kelly: 2:00:24

Pat, pat Mahomes. Man, I'm not saying anything.

Dave Clarke: 2:00:27

I'm not saying anything bad about the chiefs. I mean, basically, travis Kelsey is a guy that they probably every team game plans for every single fucking week and somehow he finds himself in 50 yards of space to catch a ball over the fucking top every single play. I don't know how he does it, but I'm going to try to get him a fantasy again.

Bob Kelly: 2:00:41

I'm just. I'm just reiterating the fact that I doubted my home's law last year and you talked me out of this, doubting him ever again, and I won't do it. I won't until until somebody shows me differently.

Dave Clarke: 2:00:52

I'm not down my homes. I'm just believing in burrow, that's. That's the distinctive difference. Right See, because the thing is, I said that to you after the first Monday night game that the cheese played in, because I watched that cheese game and I was like they're too good. They're too good, they're going to win the whole fucking thing. They're too fucking good. So I just I want to see a couple games before I really really make the call. But as of right now, joey baby.

Bob Kelly: 2:01:11

Yeah, I mean that's, that's all I got. I mean right Last, last question for you Do you see the path. Do you see the path to the Brady career at the end of this year?

Rayshawn Buchan: 2:01:24

I mean, well, let let most people tell him that he's already there, and I think that's wild. But once again, when you've played as great as he's played, you know, I tell you, all the time people didn't think of Brady in that as salon until he got number four and time Montana. So the fact that he's halfway there and you already put him above certain people, this is like that, I think. I think that's that thing. That's a bit premature. But once again, the talent, the talent wants it, so I get it. I do think they have a similar, you know, start to what we saw from the old four pages. Once again, that team won them 21 straight. I can easily see that happening here and over the way it may not happen, because they may have a game where they don't take it seriously, because then that's the only way you beat the same thing. We can't just say like they and they're like I, whatever, like we were already 14 and one, or we're 13 and two or whatever, They'll arrest somebody. And like I, like whatever, like we, it doesn't matter if we're going on to into your, onto your field, or you're coming into ours Like you're most likely not going to beat us. So yeah, but yeah, I think, yeah, they, they find a way to dominate again this year, which is very likely they like to. They tie that and yeah, they, they have. There's a new dynasty on our hands and as long as he is, you know, healthy enough, right, he's going to run the league and that's. That's once again non-dependent. That's a fast. So let's see what they would interrupt it. We'll see who they would interrupt Right now, but he's that guy.

Dave Clarke: 2:02:59

I just love how it's. Like it's, if he wins the Cerebral this year, who be the winning his quarterback of, like this decade, and he has a chance to tie Tom Brady's first Hall of Fame career, right, right, right. And then he has to go on and tie his second Hall of Fame career and then he has to go on and tie his third Hall of Fame career. You can break into fucking thirds. It's like, honestly, when we witness, like just like now, that it's done, just as like a brief thing, because he is gone, like officially, officially, officially gone out of the league now, and we this is our for going to be our first season sans you know not, not due to injury or whatever, but it is weird and I will just say like, just just based on that, just based on like what Mahomes has to do just to equal his first Hall of Fame career is such a big hill to climb and it's like I wouldn't see anything like that. I would get a guy. So it's just most straight and all, but like I and and he might come close, but seven, fuck off, it's, that's a wrap, seven fucking bananas. So the way you did it to, and with different teams, and there's always going to be, and then comebacks and there's and then appearances in the Cerebral. There's always going to be an argument for the for, for, for Brady over whoever. So I will just say like thanks for the fucking memories, like for better or for worse, I know I'm not a past fan, but like thanks for the memories, thanks for fucking setting the standard not only for the NFL but for all sports of what we we now look and now we're just in recovery mode of like trying to finally talk up quarterbacks that only win three. So it's like you know. I mean the guy changed the NFL and sports forever. He was fucking unbelievable. So it is weird to see him gone, because most of my adult life and a good chunk of my adolescence he played in the NFL. So, and childhood actually, now that I think about it, so my whole life Tom Brady's been in the fucking NFL basically, and my whole NFL life at least. So thanks for the memories, tom. Enjoy your divorce, fucking crush Plus bro. And.

Bob Kelly: 2:04:57

And to solve my depression from earlier, when you know we said Baker Mayfield might be better than Dak Prescott, at least we ended Tom Brady's career officially, that's. That's been it for the first Talk about footnotes.

Dave Clarke: 2:05:13

Nobody's going to remember ever, ever, ever. You know how I know is. I was like, did you? I don't remember last year.

Bob Kelly: 2:05:20

Sorry, can't. Can't even get through the fucking preseason, like God damn. That's been. That's been a first initial power ranking show for 2023. It was awesome. I'm so fucking pumped. Football is back, guys.

Dave Clarke: 2:05:36

We're fucking 11. Yeah, the power ranking show.

Bob Kelly: 2:05:41

No, that's, that's week four. Man, that's week. Yeah, welcome back guys. Football 2023. It's here Missing the point. We're out.