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Today on MTP: we recap a wild Week 8 in the NFL, including The New England Patriots win over the LA Chargers, The Green Bay Packers knocking off the undefeated Arizona Cardinals, the undermanned New Orleans Saints defeating the defending Super Bowl Champion Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and the Dak Prescott-less Dallas Cowboys defeating the Minnesota Vikings on Sunday Night Football.
We'll preview the matchups in Week 9 in the NFL, including the debut of Von Miller on the Los Angeles Rams, post the NFL Trade Deadline, and go over this week's NFL Power Rankings.
Finally we try and figure out what has been happening with the Boston Celtics after a 2-5 start to the season has many questioning the play and passion of strs Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown, Marcus Smart, and the Coaching ability of Celtics Head Coach Ime Udoka.
Hosts: Michael Marcangelo, Rayshawn Buchanan, Craig D'Alessandro
Producer: Craig D'Alessandro
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Today on MTV, we recap a wild we gate in the NFL. We preview week nine for our power rankings for the week, and we try and figure out what the fuck is going on with the Boston Celtics. This is missing the point, Episode 94 But it's all relativeMichael Marcangelo:
welcome into missing the point I am Mark Angelo joined alongside by Hollywood Ray Rayshawn view candidate our EP. Craig D'Alessandro. We're going to talk week at the NFL. We're also going to end with the Boston Celtics. But before we get Rayshawn blood pressure up too high. Let's start with the positives. week eight, NFL, the New England Patriots went in to SoFi Stadium in Los Angeles and earned a really good win against what we think at this point is a really good upcoming chargers team. So watching that game, right. What were your thoughts on that?Rayshawn Buchanan:
Oh, the final score should have been 2717. But and I know I'm nitpicking but Jalen Mills is a fucking joke. Here you go. That's one Craig demos is awful. I'm just I'm sick of seeing him in his green hair on on the field. And you know, he calls off the Green Goblin. But he gobbles up nothing on the field. You know how ironic as we go into the Turkey season, but anyways, yeah, he's just not that good. But no, I would. I was happy to see the day wanting to support your opponent. We've been clamoring for this all season. You know, you and I went back and forth. Mike, you got my blood pressure going by saying that was a fake point a few months ago for your team maybe. But I think it was the Houston game and I'm I look mad to see me good enough to talk about what's a fake win or what I like, they just need to win game. So whatever we can see in the win column, whatever. We just see that oh, yeah, we need to see that. I don't care if it's against the 2008 Detroit Lions like you need to win the game. So it was pleasing to see Adrian Phillips look great out there. Oh, it was good to see him perform. But this is his former team. And yeah, let's say it was a great performance all the way around. And it looks like there is no game in another building block. So I was trying to see to see, you know, when on the road again.Michael Marcangelo:
I think the best part about this one for me is that, you know, Mac didn't play great. Like they won in spite of the fact that he did not have to play great defense. You know, that also wasn't a great showing, but they made those key plays at those key moments to steal and seal the game. I thought that Jalen Mills, touchdown, man, I mean, you don't get better coverage. He was in the right spot. He was doing the right things. He just couldn't come down with the ball.Rayshawn Buchanan:
It always opens.Michael Marcangelo:
Yeah, I think that's gonna you know, that's that's gonna be something that always happens. But at least he wasn't like every other Patriots Defensive Back from, you know, the mid 2000s That just refuse to turn their head. He made a play on the ball. He just didn't make you just could not make the play. He's turning into Kyle Arrington for casual pass fans type it up. He's turning into great frogs. This face will count to sizeCraig D'Alessandro:
Kyle Arrington was good. He was a good slot corner.Michael Marcangelo:
I well, I don't remember. I don't remember. I don't remember a plate he had. I was like, Man, this guy is out there. I don't know. Maybe you're struggling more. I don't know. I said. I'm just saying the guy that we had early 2010 That just wasn't that guy on and granted, Mills is not here on crazy money. So it is what it is. But I just can't believe that today as we recorded this on the trade deadline day, that day to look to get secondary help you lost Johnatan Jones. You know, you're obviously you know, your best corn that you had, you know, basically quinoa, you would now back home and Carolina you faced him going into next week. So, I mean, I to me, I just don't know how I mean, hell, they had a guy there a Carolina named AJ Bouye. You know him very well, because you faced him a few years ago, the AFC Championship game, you know where he could play. He's also the cousin of Jaylen Brown. So fun fact. So yeah, I just think he's someone that could have been brought here. So I know that's kind of little bit off script. But I just think that you know, they need to secondary hope I'm a little star from dealing most this moment, if I couldn't tell, but I mean, this, this when I just to focusRayshawn Buchanan:
Well there's the old school song button the on the good aspects of it again, this is this is their first quality opponent. And when you look at when you look at their quality opponents this year, they hung tight with the Bucs they hung tight with the Cowboys. And now they were finally able to do the things that they needed to do to walk away from the W and I think I think this is a win that you can whispers called The beat goes on and you know that that's what it build on I'm not gonna I'm not gonna compare this team to the 2001 team. Everyone likes to do that after the Rams loss, you know, five and five. young quarterback. I don't know if I don't know if we have that maybe Hall of Famers on the defensive side of the ball on this team. But this is something that you can build on. And I think just having the fact like I said, a couple minutes ago, Mac Jones looking like a rookie, and they still went like that. He's had to look better than maybe he actually is so far, in order to in order just to keep them in games or in order to overcome Come a deficit against the Houston frickin Texans. But this time, the team was able to do it. So, you know before before the Bucs game you and I were on is when it comes to Bill Belichick and Young quarterbacks right that you and I were talking after that Bill Belichick can kind of still he can still gameplan was this more of Bill Belichick game planning for Justin Herbert or was this the Chargers absolutely just shitting their pants in the moment? to beat goes on. He could teams to get the job done. And you know, I mean, granted, I didn't like to listen we weren't going to shut him out for two three nothing like we did last year. I knew that wasn't happening to this 45 Yeah 4545 minutes i Excuse me one of the worst games ever see beat 45 Yeah, it was it was it was wow because even the curly hair look good last year it didn't look good. But you know what, maybe give us a play in LA all the time we can get into that solely but you just look somewhat decent whatever he's in so five things so maybe he needs to be out there but she missed it for hawks already gone anyways ah yeah oh yeah. So I'm you know, I definitely lost my train of thought of that because I was chatting make jokes about N'Keal Harry but I think the point was is can Belichick, Belichick still go Yeah, boss I guess though game plan when he needs to a Herbert has not looked good the first few times matching up I think you eventually will catch the bill and at some point I think he's like seven years six six to 30 All I said we got to get Bobby credit Bob was the one that was saying he was going to be a problem. I was just I love quarterbacks from Oregon. I just don't see what he's going to be I kind of anybody in the Pac 12 Like I just don't really think that they're going to be much of a thing but he is the prototype you know, so I had to throw that in there since we're all doing most of wrestling fans and we all know what that means is the insider we are easy definitely prototype and you know who knows he may be the guy in that division I know crazy things so pretty damn should only be the other guy in that division it's got to be the guy so you know I'm pretty sure Craig this Herbert gonna be the guy but ya know this definitely game planning. I definitely think also I forgot they have a rookie head coach as well meet me at the Liberty got me to let me let him know the slot LET'S GET STARTED get ahead of ourselves bucket rookie head coach and I listen he's he's always for Nuggets with coaches this year. I think so that's not you know, you don't stand much of a chance like this. That's not happening unless you have a great team around you that they can win in spite of the coachMichael Marcangelo:
would this would have would this would have meant more if the Chargers didn't get their doors bought off the week before it gets the Ravens or is this still a real quality win?Rayshawn Buchanan:
No, it's still quality wins. I mean, listen, you know the Raiders episode two missiles they do that they're a good team so that that happens in most at once again, it's still it's the best week by week so bopper Any Given Sunday somebody can get beat right so you know we're gonna get into that we'll talk about the New York Jets told me but yeah, no, it doesn't mean any less. This team needs to serve together that's Bill Belichicks ability is worse than you see what they do to patch inside a locker room. They need to string together wins. And yeah, I mean, I am going to fall into the easy narrative. It does look a little bit like oh one not saying that they're going to win the Superbowl but you know that that game last week just uh just winning 54-13 There was a team 44 to 13 that year I mean he had a 101 Now granted MIKE WHITE aint Peyton Manning but you know we're not Yeah, I'll never be blasphemous to put him in that category. But you know all that wind propelled them you know later on into the season you know, granted they're still gonna have more look at them like Yo what the hell is going on but if they are to make something of the season even if they make at least a division around you know, we're going to look back at these this see destruction of season say You know what, they had a rocky start and they found a way to bite the ship and collect mag go now far as Mac Jones goes right to be talked about his six year old when he was 16 to 33 to five yes plus Yeah, likes to listen to pedestrian right pedestrian at Best Game Managers have been game for sure. I mean, I think he's been a game manager really all year right like he's not gonna He's not gonna turn the ball over you know crazy I do like that so he had Henry I like a couple of those he had as Jocobi Myers I love that Nelson Aguilar finally how it onto a ball my god on there all fucker week though, Nelson. What actually let me say that by No, we need you to touch them but it'd be another win. If you would call to the Demeryious Thomas type pass zero blitz you were gone for G he could fly when he gets the ball. He's out of there. They would have won the game but whatever needless to say it is what it is. No doubt he's got that win. But yeah, I think he's actually good that we finally seeing the game that he throws for under 50%. Granted we don't want that every week but it also lets us know the days are in turn charged him more with the offense. They go as far as number 10 is going to take him at this moment. And that sounds crazy that a rookie is going to lead to do and that they say someone young shall lead them well that's what's happening right now. Someone younger is leading them and he has to continue to lead them so whatever you know status did indeed get to not just the season but beyond.Michael Marcangelo:
Are we to the point now where we trust Damien Harris, because I do.Rayshawn Buchanan:
Yeah, I'm yeah, I'm fat. I'm fat. I'm I'm on Bam like, you know Henry Stephenson of the futureMichael Marcangelo:
is it too much to say that he's our most powerful running back since Corey Dillion?Rayshawn Buchanan:
I mean we're gonna forget about the law firmMichael Marcangelo:
Yeah, I Oh, I forg ot all about that Jarvis green Ellis yeahRayshawn Buchanan:
I mean he's a 1,000 yard rusher so I mean let's I mean let's check let's go so asMichael Marcangelo:
So was Antoine SmithRayshawn Buchanan:
I mean a minute but a one Wisman today when we were the law firm unfortunately but no um yeah, I mean, whatever I buy into this is not that's not something to really debate I'll take that and I will say I would love to get I would love to see him get 1600 35 yards so I would love to see that that'd be that means that we'll be back in so far. Kind of everywhere you can look that baby up guys $1,700 And then back doesn't need it. You can rest assure will be raised at represented AFC as a team. You're 2021 new one the patient is like that will be happening. Yeah, I may sound like a homer. Oh, well. Sorry, Joe. I know what else it will sound like the Homer Oh, wow. we ever get those type of numbers, you can rest assured what we represent AFC OB and that's just how I see because AMC is wide. Open, wide open, side open. Why don't weMichael Marcangelo:
before we move on from this game? I think I would be remiss if I didn't just talk about one negative thing maybe it's not a negative maybe it's an eight maybe it's an area for them just to improve upon it. Can we please just get the tight ends involved more? Please? I mean in this game, I know that if we're compared to last year, it's so much better but last year was an absolute fire. I mean, when you think about it this way. Yeah, then the wires are the tight ends combined for three catches and 46 yards. You were not paying close to $100 million for that you got to do more you have to Yeah, I mean that that's also on the game planning right so you know Jet Sweep Josh gets a break for me momentarily. Once again, you can get that shirt at MTPshow.com but he gets a break for me momentarily for the he's called a great game recently. But listen, was it a Dallas game? Was a Dallas game or no it was again it was a no it was a game I said before he got hurt like Jonnu smith and John Smith early I was like Hello. Like do you not see what's going on like the man in space is a problem he's a problem ladies and gentlemen like Get this man the ball read obviously you can't control injuries but I'm like yo him in open space. Hello, we need playmakers like what are you doing Josh? What are we doing Bill whoever is behind like what are we doing? So I think he sees Henry as a security blanket meaning macro so we see that connection already. Also, I think we'll see that as we kind of go into December and you know football just a little colder give it to a bigger body you know have see what happens but yeah, we need to see them tighten you know sweeps you know what did you just have to tie their screens when you see the seam routes you know, we need to see they do the the comeback routes whatever we can do to get those guys in for God's sake please get Jacoby Meyers touchdown and it'll right like damn, damn, like, it's just like, Just get him in there like he does all the dirt roll he's becoming our new Adelman he's becoming he's becoming that please gave me that I know crazy things. He doesn't but number three is okay. We got to argue that you're right Craig. As of now you're right. So not gonna go back and forth on that. But he does study work. Get this man in the endzone. He helps the offense as much as anybody on this team right now in my opinion. All he deserves it. I saw what they're doing such as ever seen. The bottom of slap you just put up with Julian Edelman and Jacobi Meyers in the same sentence. He nobody is becoming that guy on this team. Absolutely, guys, that's a possession guy. Absolutely. Not far fetched. Just to be clear, Craig Edelman wasn't Edelman until took 2013. And he wasn't number three up until they decided to not pay Wes. So and even on the team for three years at that point doing nothing. Nothing is filling punt returns. Right, exactly. But let Jacoby mature because he was the only bright spot in the offense last year. Well, and I think he's now he's your Mr. Reliable. You know what, when you if you throw them a ball, he's gonna catch it. But what sorry, last thing? Is it me? Or am I wrong to think that still took over the defense again? Because this felt more like he was scheming as opposed to Dr. Mayo, who I love and His, his cocaine addict looking son, Steven, in terms of a game plan, this felt like a game thing that you would see, you know, let's say in 2011, right when we didn't have a very good secondary, but they were able to piece together enough wins and hold them in the redzone enough to to get to the Super Bowl out here and make a deep playoff run. This defense is more talented, I think, than 2011. But this felt like all ski.Rayshawn Buchanan:
Yeah, I mean, it has to be right in order for them to get to where they want to go unless we clamored for a few weeks ago. He needs to have his hand and more, you know, more of the defense or whatever. I mean, let's I think he right Awesome other guys Lewis wants to like he knows office as well. Like you have to kick me around the game but long sees many not know something on the office man right? Like that's just that just comes with the territory but yeah, it looks like he is and if so, thank God because Steve belcheck once again narcissism is real nepotism, I've never done that to narcissism whatever would end You know, it's also that there was both words but he just he just needs he needs to have a seat and used to have a seat. He needs to be able to join us and just watching the game men are not undersold necessarily well if you want to come on crave reach out to you, but I just to me, yeah. I just I don't Yeah, I'm thankful that Bill said okay, enough's enough. You know, it's time for me to take over if that's the case, you know, listen, we know Matt Patricia right now is just here collecting checks. Steve Belzer went out to Texas. Thank you Detroit because we're not paying him anything. Oh, yeah. So cool. Whatever. Yeah, so I appreciate that but he's literally just here you know, just as a photo op on on the sidelines early but yeah, but if that's the case, hopefully bill is doing that I've had it up and down relationship with Bill this season. I've had moments when I've wanted him to get him in Nike in the car and you know sibling mafia Logan I'm not going to lie I felt these are the types of needs to love it's such a bizarre thing I'm not going to back off of that but he's still doing enough to show the still that guy when he when he goes out of touch with finding offensive talent still there and even is that but it's also this isn't this is not or because it kind of feels like he nailed the quarterback position the running back position for the quarterback that that he's going to find overall since he's been here I think even you know how even Catholic campus leaders Casselman seven rod pick was able to help get them over five Castle was a pro bowl on his league. Obviously you know, Jim he has been a starter doesn't mean he's he wasn't the greatest or you asked him the greatest but he's been a starter on these benches so both so no quarterback Yes. running backs. He's done pretty well. What was undrafted now but I mean we know he's tough so by receiver it's just like I feel like he's really good with dolphins alive but I don't know it just started things I'm just like that but I think we just boil it down he's just really bad at drafting wide receivers. Yeah, I mean, but I mean but in this era that matters more than anything I was like this is you can't you can't get by with the trade rather than the path to the world and that's what I received a call looks like an O one type you know say like that it can't be you need those you need those seven Judy tight guys in the Lena you just do and it can't be done or saysky Being a guy to sit and he's not even playing but it can be go Samberg guys maybe one or two of those guys it'd be cool to see Andy Isabella come back here who was a you batch product that didn't record and get him back here today but it didn't work out that way but no but far far as the out of touch I mean, on the defensive side is definitely the linebackers like this. This is not this is not 1986 Like this is not cold banks This is not yo this is not LLC you know and Red Force fucking love they have an O T type of guy. Awesome dog. But it's just like you're not gonna find that guy. And let's just say this let's put it out there. That's a high tower. My good sir. It is time to enjoy your fan. It's time It's time my brother you already got a glimpse of it last year. I think we liked it in that spot. You brought it you helped bring us three rings help the greatest comeback of all time Asuquo history with that ship sack America and and the rest was history. So sir, we're forever indebted your inner patrons Ring of Honor. You're probably the best 54 years and he's better than brewski that's just my opinion on you know, it's time it's time my your your start to look like me out there. It's time to go that play that Justin Jackson had two or three years ago. He's against smack and that ball might get fumbled. He had that man on skates and he bowed down to him on the field and Justin Jackson was gone gone thank God that His cousin JC Jackson caught him even though they had him scoring like to play that are literally the next play out there but I was like wow I'm gonna You made him with gas English and the whole I said this is this is not good. Like you need to get a linebacker then a smaller that can knock someone on their ass don't see how it's how it has how it no longer than that guy what do you do? You're not gonna beat me to a high tower or over brewski fight you're just not going to do that so we're just gonna we're just gonna bypass both through Top Champions and they Yeah one what one would have was definitely more skilled one was more opportune I'll leave it to that like brewski one you are games then that Hightower did now I was probably a better player all around more but I would say you know you want you can't lose it either. But if that's true, to your point, it feels to me like Bella checks. prototype of a linebacker is more like a drawn male just a big guy. gets a lot of tackles. Yep. Doesn't make A lot of like a wizard you are willing to begin as he was. He's a Hall of Famer, but like that stature big and like to your point right? bizarre little elite and elite now like you can't do that you have to have you have to have jutaan or multiple students right? So what's in it? He's the savior of the defense. He's the reason why that your foreign for and you know, maybe you're not you know to it six. I mean, you should be better than foreign four, but he is the reason why you are at least where you are. We get in the NFL had a lot of surprises, right. A lot of shocking wins or losses depending on who you're rooting for. I did not see New Orleans, the New Orleans Saints beating the Tampa Bay Buccaneers 3627 I thought that Tampa Bay was just rolling. They were a wagon. And lo and behold Jameis Winston and Trevor Simeon were enough to that and that defense, I don't think I don't think that they don't get talked about enough nationally. But the saints defense is real. And it is fast. It is opportune. And they were able to obviously take the ball away from Brady twice. And again, they were able to I think they created did they create a fumble as well? Yeah. So I mean, they were just all over the ball but when you're watching that game when you see you know Tom Brady walking into the to the Superdome. And it's you know Jameis Winston who started the game obviously he went down with with the season ending injury. They never crossed your mind that this was not going to be a Buccaneers win. Well, I mean, last year normally was dominated in the sewer numbers Well, I mean, obviously Drew Brees was the quarterback so they had a little bit to do with it but I wonder humbles all my friends that are Saints fans and you maybe listen to the show so first thank you for listening we appreciate you and your friends you have a lot of friends good friend flop all over all over thankfully this will be held download soon so thank you he's got he's got perros a different area codes you know that's less that's right maybe sounds a little but uh you know they want to humble Saints fans you got height we all smack them in a random season last year or I'm just not going to lie so you beat it okay, I can do whatever it doesn't matter what whether you win by a one a one by level ones a one right when it came to the game that matter in your house. He sent y'all home and he said you lose Home for Good. Less less for laughs That being said, Dennis Allen needs a head coaching jobs at some point. All I know he's been there without paying for a while Dennis Allen deserves a job. I said that defense was phenomenal. And it wasn't Brady has those games every now and then you're just like what is going on? He's had a few against the bills as you as the Jets where he just he has to win games against Chicago last year. You know, he just had those moments every now though where you're like okay, what is this guy? Now I feel bad for the next few may face Oh, because it's gonna be one of those five touchdowns one interception Oh, excuse me type type of game so but yeah, I mean listen your New Orleans credit they did what they're supposed to do at home. I feel for James I think he was having a bounce back season. All I mean, Lord, no, they came here and when while he was doing his thing, so now you know saltation Hill was on. I listened I couldn't fucking believe the church ever sent me and Trevor Simeon. I thought he was out of the league. I yeah, I thought he was on the couch, like how we weren't. But I'm unlike Jemison came in. It did and did that. Then again, you know, we saw stuff with my wife. I said, we're gonna say that, but I said, Wow. So I mean, listen, just off that, like, let's say the show was Sunday, we got the game off of me as soon as we got off the field here the Game Boy, you got it? Because gratulations but yeah, yeah, I said it was gonna be shocking. But then again, like I said, it's a super dome. You know, wacky things have happened down there. And regardless of what I may think of the Office of the team as a whole, their defense has been elite for several years. And as a big part of due to, you know, to Dennis Allen, so we always have them ready. Tell you what I mean. It's not often that Tom Brady has a stat line of 2440 375 yards, four touchdowns in two picks, and that's a loss. You I mean, that's not a bad game. Yeah. Two turnovers? Sure, but four touchdowns. I mean, he, he's just not ready. I'm gonna say this and it's gonna sound weird. I don't think he's ready for that team in that spot in the regular season. I don't think for some reason I just don't think he gets up for that. He will. I don't think he wants to go back there in the in the playoffs at Druckenmiller host that game, but he's not afraid to do that either. Right. You know, I mean, divisional opponents divisional match. matchups are hard. I mean, he won all on the road last year. Every game on the road. Yeah, but he I mean, they get smacked by the saints in the Superdome last year that to start season. Right. Yeah, I mean, yeah, they did. But it's just like, once again, you say that he don't get up and win until I'm telling for a fact. No, always is that want to see him. I don't care about that. at Epcot at Disney. I'm telling you. They don't want to see Tom Brady in the penthouse. It doesn't matter when it doesn't matter where it doesn't matter when they don't want to say that man because in their heart of hearts they know their vacation begins the moment you see 15 minutes on the clock and this quarter one they know as time is over, so they don't want to see him they read the face, the other 12 in Green Bay, who was also playing phenomenal but he gets down to Tampa Bay and I've started on the show religiously and I continue to say that I don't care how good he looks in the regular season we'll get to Utah Jazz of the NFL but let's say that's that's just the sort of thing but Yeah, listen, Tom Brady. What matters most Yeah, it's hard it's hard like you say it's hard it's hard if you're 22 Yeah, no limits about a year guy is doing it for the problem was yours 22 For Tom Brady. And yeah, it's hard to get up for certain games divisional Poland or not, you know, it's just not and once again they put up 27 I think they were really more into it than last year obviously. I didn't ever remember what happened it was okay we're trying to do whatever we can they were down what they would that what 26 to seven or 21 Seven at one point 43 723 Seven. And you know, and I was like I'm like once again? I know it was talking a while I'll says this game is not over do you think it's over your junk high or mix of both? And you know, literally I went to get popcorn in a mountain dew zero sugar not a sponsor? And it was they had to lead I said wow wow, just like that. Just just like that. Yeah, so I was just like this dude is ridiculous. But you know, let's say hey, you know kind of reminded me of the oh six AFC Championship game you know that I forget the corner that got the pic but he's he shoved away Marlin Jackson and I was like, who I'm having PTSD PTSD at the moment but yeah, you know, it's gonna happen you're allowed one sticker a year maybe even two but you know he's gonna bounce back that team is always gonna get bounce back. And guess what NFL and NFC they're getting healthy at the right time. So look out if you just think about Brady's career in Tampa so far. He's what is he? He's 20 and seven total and so far he's won he's won three against the saints Yeah, I mean well I mean there cuz i mean i but you know the you know what though? They I mean granted I'm well remember to Kimbrough Tompkins all touchdown you know you could have your happy man and I'm in a temper just in Tampa right no no I'm saying about I mean overall though. Like they he struggled against those things seem like in normal as though he knows he struggled just a mere 2009 Yeah whenever he's been home yeah which I lose to your point about you know, having to host the game. But when it when they've made it home in early season, you know, he's done fairly well. Well, I just listened one game for your life as you as you're famous code. This is not a t shirt to a gun to your head. On that used to be on the show to gutsy you had one game. You know who knew that a 2021 for I got to be fellow more appreciating that my back? Well, either way. One game you play you have lives on the line that's more blue. That's for PC, your rocker with Tom Brady forever. And although it's a tough loss, it's a surprising win for the saints. 44 year old Tom Brady. He's still the guy I would choose in a one game situation that you needed to win over any other quarterback in the league right now or that has been in the league ever. He's my guy. I see you still trust him at this stage of his career. He can still do all the things that he needs to do to win. Upping the shock factor though. But you know you've mentioned this a couple of times. Bengals walk into MetLife Stadium. Five and two to face the one in five jets. Mike White is the starting quarterback. I didn't even know I didn't even know where this kid was from. No clue. Right? He proceeds to go 37 to 45 or 405 yards three touchdowns, two picks and a 34 to 31 win over the tiger King and the Cincinnati Bengals Ray talk to me. I mean as you see my jaw is dropping as you were giving off those stats instantly they turned to minutes to say it turned into Peter Warrick the whole hurry Dylan and Akili Smith you know that does some new job some nearby said wow what that that is fun as unreal as unreal you know even those go back to John MacArthur to was Go enjoy for the bank right but that's what they looked like once I'm like damn like I guess the jets like this is how you're looking at but a bit this Jessie listen me and Joe have been on the bandwagon for Rob Sela it really is really a big with me and Joe anybody but gates but listen, uh, Robert sell it to coach like that he's here. It would have been easy for them to say fuck this guy after losing fitting for 13 said come back and beat a team that's that was first I think in the AFC not just not just the AFC north but in the AMC as a whole. Unless we know that he has the ear he has the ear in that locker room and they will want to a wall for him clearly so I said to beat the times to beat to beat the mangoes two good teams. Great. There's still a few seasons away from being a serious contender. But they're building something there and New York for sure. And I think that's nothing taken lightly. But yeah, I mean, this sounds wild, but am I Are we on the Mike White train? Are we keeping this hat full? Are we here? Because that was on the bench. Here's the retinas. That was like all year. And that's not what that's something that's ERATION I know people say oh, he's trolling us. I might not check the numbers. Mike Wait, he's last two games it gets us into the incessant it. You know, he's looked like the guy that should be starting to regret. He's been elite for four years, but it's not like he's been playing and things like your fantasy team every week. You know, casual FanDuel this guy was outside of college, he may want to win his friends and family for wherever talent is. And he's bawling. And I say let it rock. It's about winning games. Robert saying the ball, protect the feeling feelings. Land play, until he shows the complete sucks a lot of like, that's how I see it. Yeah, it's okay, cuz he's not choking. He's not choking right now. He's bawling. So let him continue to play. And no, yeah, you're saying that you would at this point in time. If Zach Wilson is healthy based on what you've seen from Mike White? Have Zach Wilson said your number two overall pick of this year's drought out? What has he done? What was that? Was it done to say okay, you can save me and started. They did it. They had no hope they've won. They've won these two games or they've won another game with this guy. He's looked I said he's looked better. This one says look all year that is not a prediction of a spoiler. It's this world of baby that he's looked better than him and yes, we get it like he could easily turn some Mike Glennon next week I get that once again sorry I'm no shade on Mike Brennan. But you know, hey, shout out to agents who for getting 15 million a few years ago so I mean, he might also turn into junk to Josh Johnson who came in and relief for him a little bit right we don't know what my personal I thought he was out of the league to to why that's obviously what is this is what's going on in New York Atlanta. What is going on but Josh Johnson from like Tampa, you haven't know that Josh, Shawn says that's that wasn't that's crazy and it wasn't good. I hate to make it about this guy. But I'm like, do they you just say okay, so Mike Why does Johnson and then like guys Seattle Geno Smith like listen can when you're listening bro I know when it got the vaccine is um I know what you doing might have seeds but bro get a coach that can help with that on motion do something because these cat where you're at your best cam these tools are not in your fucking stratosphere bro. I'm sorry. I cannot believe him. And his top his avatar is on the couch wasn't seeing me like you and me i That blows my mind and granted I know how to share I bet it's like damn if he's on his minds right there's no way those guys you're not telling me those guys that better than Kim knew and as a doula sorry that's just my opinion but and I regret it I'm not saying he's gonna come into being Warren Moon that's not what I wrote I'm saying but he has to do with that he's better than those guys but Mr. Saying back to Mike White he should have the job until he showed that he's he's not that guy. But what does that do? What does that do to the franchise? He's like what think about it I mean, I'm with you. He comes back next year and he gets the job but if right now once again if you're looking to protect for further injury and that's that's how I would I be thinking of to write if you're looking to protect before the injury he wasn't entirely ready they lost their number one lineman thing and MCI back then lost them pretty early. Right? So elder has going on. And your yo white hot no pun intended with this guy didn't you let him rot it this Listen, this is the NFL is not here to protect villains. You're here to win games. And if so I'm running this the frickin jets. You know why? Because you play to win the game. That's simple. So if I'm him, fuck the Phillies go out there and play Destiny you probably want to fight. My question would be based on what you just said. Like you just listed all the reasons as to why this wasn't going the way of Zack Wilson the number one Lyman's out you know, he whatever. Let's say you know Mike White takes over this team at one and five and then they finish the season at you know, let's call it seven and 10 That's that'd be fucking beautiful for them. Honestly. How do you go back to Zach Wilson? Because all the same obstacles that he had to face Mike White did and he overcame them. In reality he did better so what does that like? What does that do to your number two overall pick? Okay, well, they just keep the search then. Fucking okay. Oh, well, listen, I could care less as long as you only have to worry about buffalo in that division. I'm good I don't care what the judge do I don't care with all you know, Mr. Handicap you down there and Miami what to what? I'm good. So as long as they still have troubles and they want to fight back and forth King Wilson at White. Um, cool. No pun intended. But it said Doug for the Patriot so I'm good. I'm fine with that. But I think I mean, listen, but I know seriously, like, from a psyche standpoint. Yeah, that probably would mess with Was that but like I said, it's about protecting the fields. So if that guy is winning those games right now, and you're not at the point that should it be health wise, yeah, I'm gonna sit you water until you're able to come back, you know, gives you a detour to the offseason, under your belt, you know, maybe get some other weapons or get another library to that can really help their protection. You know why they did for Joe burrow in Cincinnati? That's perfectly fine. Um, that was based on throws at you like, okay, I can see why he's the number two pack. And he's made, you know, some other throws that made somebody like Ryan leave 2.0. So it's just like, you know, it's great. And I would hate to put that on him that it's early to say that but I'm just trying to protect the feelings unless it will get us out. We talk about our home team for basketball, but I'm just I'm over protected feels like if that guy's playing. I'm gonna ride that wave until I can ride it with you, right, like, I don't have a horse in this race. Right? But if I thought if I'm Zach Wilson, and I'm wanting fired up to this point, and I have all these obstacles and you have Mike White from who the fuck knows University come in and light up the Cincinnati Bengals. Like, shout out to your mom, Mr. Wilson, but like you will be out of this league fast. So figure it out, because you have some guy that no one even heard of before, is now going to be the media darling, if he can do this, you know, again, seven and 10. If he gets this team to seven and 10 there's there's an actual conversation to be right because of Broadway Joe 2.0. Right. Exactly. Literally, he is he's in that competition. We're far, far one of the Bizon Chad Pennington, which actually that's who he actually reminds me of is my wife. He looks like a Chad Pennington type guy. But he can throw Chaplin into the dojo from Solyndra. I think this guy hasn't I think this guy actually has a cannon. Pennington was a very it. No, he has a better arm depending I'm saying but like champion before the solar industry, industry before the shoulder injury. You know, he was getting into LeBron. He was cold. He was getting into her bed got into the muscle. He could throw it but he wasn't a gunslinger, like, like this kid here. But yeah, but that's the worst thing if he becomes Chad pension unless a chapter that was really good in New York. Hey, that's right. And so sometimes, I mean, sometimes you just kind of stumble into it, right? Like, and that's okay. Um, that doesn't mean that was the wasn't the right pick because he was, you know, he was there. You want to get him fired. But if it turns out this guy is better than what you believed, you know, you're number two was going to be it's okay to move off. And pal. They moved on for two years so they can move on with that motion as well. All right. I mean, like you said, you mentioned Ryan leaf. I'll set I'll just say another more recent name, there's a chance that Zach Wilson is the New York Jets version of tovarisch. Jackson before Russell Wilson took that job over, no one saw that coming. No one saw that coming, and then he's still there. And I don't know if this is gonna happen. There's overreactions from one game. Real quick before we get to be case Power Rankings. But Dallas, Dallas Cowboys able to go into Minnesota and play a tough game and come up with a win. I thought Cooper rush. I thought it looked really really good. I mean, I think it was like 25 of 42 touchdowns. That's what you needed and then Zeke stepped up in terms of past block. He was not a great runner. I mean, I don't know what's going on with him. 16 carries 50 yards wasn't great. But he did a lot of good pass protection. And then Amari Cooper, eight catches 122 yards in that defense again, opportune. They held it. And now I six and one the Dallas Cowboys through seven games have six wins. They have a real team. I think, you know, in that division now, because of DACs injury, you know, they're already so far ahead of derivative, they've pretty much already sewn up the division. Right? Right. If Dak isn't 100% to play him? No, cuz it's another brace. It's not about the during the season like it, honestly. I mean, it is but it's not. So if I'm Mike McCarthy, I'm looking every man in that locker room to say to a man, do you feel that we can get one on the road if we need to? And if that answer is yes, then I'm saying Dak until I absolutely need to play him. Listen, the defense is getting healthier. I know gallops coming back soon, Michael Parsons been everything as advertised, if not more actually thought so no one was gonna get it. 13 But obviously, you know, Matt Jones phones are our lab. So either way, thank God, it worked out for them. And with that for us, you know, the running game has been where it needs to be most of the season. It wasn't on Sunday, but it has been for most of the season, whether it's Zeke or Polit so that they have a two headed monster you know, Cooper's acid Ebell Cooper rush and Amari Cooper so on there's definitely been the coop show or like the old school show. They've been hanging with Mr. Cooper. That's right. You know, so that was good so yeah, I mean, listen, they're they're definitely a real deal to say otherwise my say you're listening you just had he just wanted to tune this whole their fans. And listen, they should have you know the chest out. I said you want to follow six out of seven games. That's an awesome start. They easy like they easy to look at 13 wins. They should go 13 or 14 I mean I'm not relying on crazy no smile when I say this part I hope they'd beat the brakes off Kansas City All right I'll play them next month I'll they beat the brakes off them when they play tennis city because he had a beat the Giants yesterday, but they don't look good at all. They know there's a win to win 20 to 17 and so like okay, God giants team, there's two of the four or five now whatever like you barely beat them by field Whoa, bro. like, Nah, that's just and I think my home was that picking every game was he was just insane. I could Yeah, he doesn't look good. They're offenses and we could at times but their defense is bad. It is really really bad. I mean, we're talking like 2010 patriots bad like not good at all. But he was also watching the two terrible division terrible division Sure. Well, I'm saying but yeah, but it's just like Tennessee at some point needs to find me Denver fell off the Chargers of what now? What four and three now above say Oakland but Vegas a surprisingly can could maybe you run away with Envision they start to keep they keep playing winery had to buy a week, but it's like, wow. So yeah, I don't know. I mean, listen, it kind of says you're going to run to some point that that's just the spected. They just aren't going so well. But they are going to run at some point whereby it's like, Oh, my God, they can't see it. She's once again are doing XYZ but yeah, and then the Superbowl hopes are over. But no, but But back to the Cowboys. I just think that no and the NFC champion is the only concern. Agreed. Moving on to BKs Power Rankings for week nine is not yet. Number one, he has Los Angeles Rams at seven in one. Number two, he has the Dallas Cowboys at six and one bow. I mean, I mean, I give him a lot of credit for not doing what the easy thing and putting the Dallas Cowboys is number one. I mean, so we How would that have been easy? You instantly earn credibility by by doing the right thing. I think Bobby did their number three we have the Green Bay Packers at seven and one that there's such a fraud team as long is that man is your quarterback? You could go 16 And what he's already proved he'll go 15 And one and lose him his first playoff game. He's sackless number four Arizona Cardinals seven in one. I feel like that's a little too low for them. They should probably be a little bit higher. But Bill's at five. I really beat them. No, but go ahead. Yeah, okay. Yeah. But the bills at five and five and two is six we have the Tampa Bay Buccaneers 16 to seven the Baltimore Ravens at five to eat the Cincinnati Bengals. I mean, all of that jets last man that they should have just taken off the entire power rankings so they don't belong there. You think so? Well, listen, here's why you have the saints in the ninth spot at five and two and then the Tennessee Titans who win despite losing their powerhouse running back at six and two, he has them in 10th. You're telling me that a Cincinnati Bengals team that just got their asses kicked in the fourth quarter by the New York Jets is better than the Tennessee Titans. I don't think so. So off this game know, right, obviously, right as it currently stands, as Tony says, right? No, but I do think just that he's been the better team so far this year. Like I said, if we're going to correct things and know obviously when we lose a judge, but then again, Tennessee lost, that's what it's like, you know, and then either but it's like that so that's why the Bucs felt like three spots because they lost to a team that's still in the power ranking. So he knows that you know, you and I are two big lists of brave supporters on the show. So you know he wanted to take a little shot at us while we were on and that's fine you know, you know Joe would have said it right there would need to be you know, because even though he changes he changes that's already in San Francisco but we'll give him credit for that. But yeah, listen, Tim was what I needed to be in my opinion like they're not better than no sees right now. They will be come you know come the end of the season. But honestly, honestly, I don't have any issue with the list like that's me he got the teams right but should not be intense. You know this, you know it? Sure. I mean, you want to switch them for he was a steady find Bobby, that's the easiest switch I would do. And I said we got this forum to show I found Blair Von Miller Jesus. Are you kidding me? Are you kidding? Von Miller to the LA Rams light. And this is one of the I don't want to hear about Sally cat no more. I don't want to hear one that's a big day for the last three or four years. They have pushed their chips all the way in and said we're gonna do it. And you know, I asked, I can't take credit for this joke, but I thought it was hilarious. So I had to bring it on onto the show. It's like they said the Rams pick Jared Goff number one in 2016. And they said Fuck this, we can't do this again. That was hilarious, I think that is spot on, is that we're giving everybody a draft picks. We don't charge people to draft. So we're just gonna bring the best players from other teams and bring them in. So that to me is awesome. That's hilarious. Author Look one of the better jokes I've seen today today about that but I'm like I'm like wow Von Miller because of the way it lays out the guy must was you don't have to be you don't have to be it wasn't it took a second and a third and just this is where it's decided a second and I watched again we know how our coach values little day to backs but I might a second in the third for our goddess a future Hall of Famer what would it mean what I mean what I would just tell you what I would do what I would just tell you right now is that build when Bill does see or he does identify that there is a need for a core at traded light he does do it but he wouldn't he got a keep to leave but there wasn't a need this year hmm what I think now here's what I think I don't want to I don't want to get too more into patriots talk I think Bill now at foreign for thinks with the AFC is wide open as it is he has enough to make a run now that run to the Super Bowl he maybe to an AFC title game or an AFC Divisional game. But I which will earn him three more years and New England right because it will exceed expectations. I don't think it's going to take I would much prefer Stephon Gilmore to still be here. Trust me I know we both do but I'm not my thing is not even if you just get a quarterback like you're not telling me just another piece What does linebacker or let's say another corner even with someone that's just there for depth like you you needed to add to this defense windows 10 make this quicker? What doesn't make it more of letting like that's the goal. You lost on it. The job was like that, that his dad was a speed guy. We're not telling me unless you pay Shawn Wade is going to become knuckle welder. 2.0 And please God, it would be awesome for that to happen. But we don't know that right now. It granted I still think teams look at us for the last 20 years and say I'm not giving them a piece that's gonna help put them over the top. I firmly believe it's the same should happen with dad even though we were over the top every year was I like I'm not trading with Danny, can you sleep with us? And if that guy sees a talent, that means he can use something and that guy's gonna become something that I totally believe that's the case why people would say would be like that however, it's like a second and third rounder and they're paying 9 million is that to me it's a built up his alley. They're paying most of the salary. You're telling me to pitch in $700,000 Like, like Robert Coronavirus friend more than that at the parlor he was at like you've got to be kidding me like you gotta go get that guy Yeah, I said I'm sorry whatever you put that later on we need to but he probably spent more money there that what Denver spent whatever they spent in Formula I just like the the mentality of pushing all in and just saying hey, we're going for broke now. Ready? Rams go mother what? Got you I got to get the Super Bowl. You cannot train for this guy and push all the way the presses on or did I go? He's all got to get there. They did all of that to be pretty man in the NFC title game. That's all they did. They did lose Ultra lucidum on that. Now Aaron Donald Jalen Ramsey and Von Miller to beat Brady in the NFL. Yeah, could you I mean granted this is purely fantasy but did you imagine we had a guy while we did back in the day and we're just seeing what was phenomenal but can you imagine we had a lady fight right now? I'm Elsa and I love bomb I think bomb Morrison next guy up like he's in the next slide with Vincent Seymour or whatever by him in a few years being that guy that you're like wow, what a steal. He wasn't a second but yeah, I just that to me would change everything. If we had a guy on front that you like besides shoot on a yo rusher on the edge. I can just get to that guy. That's why I was saying to get someone like one but I didn't know he was available. So the fact that when I saw that my group shot went off but yeah, it was like yeah, vamos a Rasta to them. I said Damn. I said, Man, when you gotta go all in, it's something in it. But you know, it is what it is. But you know what? I'm still burning with desire to talk about our next thing. So I'm waiting patiently to say ready. Are you ready? I'm ready. Let's do it. The Boston Celtics last night blew a 19 point third quarter to lead a 14 point fourth quarter lead. And to a really good Chicago Bulls team. Sure. But you had that game. You had that game. The Celtics fall to two and five on the year last and the Atlantic Division. I think they're what 10th or 11th or 12th. In the Eastern Conference. They did last I don't care what says that I lost regarding the loss after everything that happened last year. You know the gym, daddy. He's got Brad. No, I'm with the coach. We still the same problems. You still can't hold the lead against the good last year was he has anything but you still can't hold a lead. Layton again. Nevermind that jail. Jaylen Brown was 10 of 16 shooting from the field for 28 points through three He took two shots in the fourth quarter, while Taita was seven of 14 through the through three. And what one for eight in the fourth leads to again, the leader quote unquote Marcus smart coming out after the game, saying that Jalen and Jason need to need to pass the ball. Sure. You know what he might be right? Maybe you don't need to say that. But like, that leads me to the actual title of this segment. What the fuck is going on with the Boston Celtics? Right? I'm fucking done. I listen, I don't care. There's seven games and I know he was giving me shit. Last night did a group chat saying that? He said I thought you definitely weren't. I was pissed off and I'm still pissed off to this day. Like it's just it's unbelievable to me. You're out. 1919 And once again, even when the game was getting away from you, in the second quarter. Jaylen brown goes on a $10 ride by himself to bring that bring that to the game and that's what sucks isn't right it sucks cuz it's like oh man like you know there's this guy is different that guy's different is still we're still playing to on five we're still playing till five every fucking night it doesn't make sense I'm over and it's just like they wanted they pick it up was don't pass the ball and once again so listen when the smoke was not wrong because you do not the guy who said that said bro you not that guy. And the fact that you had no assists in the game last night they'll take shit wrote because you you want for seven all the time. Don't Don't be that guy. Yeah, listen, Brad Stevens. Listen, you earned you I came back to call you back seems to have fun. You had a really good offseason. And you did right bring it back Morford has been has been awesome. That album has been our best fans in the first seven eight games that that's not the beta need to go. Like saying is that the Logan Airport tomorrow, like by when they get down to Orlando, leave him there. Help talk to Orlando Bhagat and Terrence watts. I take turns watch right now over over Georgia saying don't go get them. Let him enjoy him to him and his family go to Disney World and enjoy the time because he and his cancer is making more comments off the court than his impact off the court is way greater than this on the court. He's not doing shit. So it's just I just there's so many things that's wrong. There's not enough time on the show. To break down I need another hour at least to talk about the bullshit that's going on. And I'm just like, we and listen, I got to take a shot at me. How many times I tell people or she's got to go right? Or she's got to go. That's I've said it said it numerous times. Yes, yes, he was a good coach. But do it his his message clearly became stale. dition is proving he was not the main fucker problem. He was a problem. He wasn't a main problem. And he points out the main problem either, but at this moment, I'm just like, I'm at my wit's end. I just I don't know what to say. I just I'm in loss of words. It's Jayson It's Jayson Tatum we l it's not just him though. It s not just him it's not ju t having I guess the easiest but I was I'm at a loss of worry rig t it's just it is Jayson cert in extent all this ironicall I think he talked about that on videos we added we talked ab ut a girl way over Joe sway my camera was interviewer was ut we talked about Tatum and br wn becoming the new pair s id Walker right Paul Pierce as very much like this early in is career the immature guy o er Greg Taylor is not going ut like that but going out you k ow saying a certain thing you s id to coach him a dot getting i to it all this stuff right and i a trade Antoine trading it'll m ke Paul the captain you know pi rs ever had will kind of go up t ey have another season where t ey go get kind of bad at the mis er playoffs and really looks l ke that but what I'm what I he reason why I brought that up this Perry may have to split ow and I'm like once again DK do his brother. I listen you ou took the bullet early on and ou did BK was was on your h ad right away. And I still stand by actually, I thought it was oo early. When you say last yea I did. I'm not gonna back ff that. But now was that t me because once again, you got to send a message to this team t at yo, this is no lon er acceptable. So my thing is, is smart and brown and the sm rt brown that can't like talk to those guys got to go so we l. There's a Tatum smarter Bro n. Like, regardless, Marvin sw g, got to be involved in deal si ce then have sent him elsewhe e. Maybe Jackie's first one is elsewhere, too. I persona ly think that uh, oh, gosh, I as talking to someone about t is earlier, but I forgot wher I said oh, so Utah. So if I wo ld let me ask you this. Would ou train to McCray anytime soon. We will try to Tammy Utah or Donovan Mitche Yes. Yeah, so that so like to me because Donovan Mitchell and Jalen brown are super tight. I think what Mitchell brown you know whatever comments you want to brandy hadn't heard for somebody like that at that day would actually make the call us all over that team. Because Donovan Mitchell gets it. He understands that okay, I think he please from this area too. He's from New York then so he would fit into here and just Culture Day One fans will love him. He's still invested time like his image Jalen about 24 So, like, I wouldn't generally think about training Tatum for Donovan Mitchell. And I know there's gonna be folks that hear this thing on my mind, and that's okay. But this iteration of the self, there's this version of the self that I can no longer fully support. Do I love basketball more than anything? Absolutely, you're talking to the biggest basketball guy on on the show. Um, but it's just like, I can no longer openly support this bullshit. And that's what it is like. It's not just the coaching, the coaching hasn't been great, the defensive defensive lapses. And it's like date. And the worst part is, they've had flashes already this season that when they locked in for real, this may be Switzerland, see there really could beat them that saw the game sold, we everything. This team could be at his peak, they're going to score like crazy. And it would add four or five stops in a row. They're getting that even last night, they showed me they showed it for 38 minutes of their life. 30 minutes, but 33 minutes, they showed were locked in. You cannot fuck with this. Chicago was the best team in history. Now. New York is was one of the best teams like dig plate up to their competition. They put it up to it. They haven't won. But if went up to the competition, but it's like, at some point, it's got to turn in two wins. In this i happening. They have been bad. Since you know Mike's heat did took us out of the playoffs. I guess was going on, they beat us six, and the date whatever hot check that Kemba was talking about that that hunk was ripped out of them at that moment, and his heart was ripped out from BAM on the BIOS block a couple years ago to now it's been all downhill on fucking gun. So I think it's gonna be tough for me to follow that rant. But what I would say is, you know, if we're under if we have this consensus that Jason Tatum is the guy right as he's been anointed as he didn't, as we've been told by every basketball guy, not not you guys, but you know, in the national media. You know what, it's not your night. So you make others better. And what he did in the fourth quarter last night tells me he didn't either he doesn't care or he doesn't know. One is ignorance. One is punishable. Right? So if you don't care, and you need to get your hate shots in, you just can't do that. You really can't do that. And I think your last year when I said it, maybe I was a little too soon, I could still be wrong. This is the final year that you have to test this. If Tatum and brown do not elevate the people around them to get this team which it's not the greatest Celtics team that we've seen them all the time. But when they all like as you said lock in, they can beat pretty much any team. If they don't make if they don't make a deep Eastern Conference run. All say right now they don't get to a final, you need to move on from one of them. Personally, I would move on from Taita now here's what again, we just listen and read when you're listening to this, or however you're doing it. You need to accept the fact that whoever you send elsewhere is going to go on to heavy dominant NBA career, it's going to happen, you're not going to win in this in this situation in terms of losing talent. You just might win championships. And for me, and for most of the Celtics fans, that's really all that matters. Because Jason Tatum, Jalen brown are two ungodly talents. And we saw them play together. And it's amazing, but sometimes talented players like that don't mesh very well. They just can't elevate each other. I think personally, I think that they're too redundant. I don't think that they do anything differently, or not anything but they don't do too much differently to impact the team. So I, we're here, it's Tuesday, November 2, you listen to this, whatever you're listening to this, I have this is it. This is the last year. And for me, we want for data. Right? So this is the issue where there's a lot of data that came to my mind as you were speaking, right. So will we continue to forget, and even though I cannot stand this point that I'm about to give credit soon on, his name is Nick, right? He brought up a few years ago and he wasn't wrong. Especially not wrong now, but he wasn't wrong then. But you know, once again, he took a few years ago. Tim Brown really was supposed to be here. Honestly, the plan was Anthony Davis, a carrier that was the plan. You got Kyrie you know, kind of do a back channel you got Kyrie so it was supposed to be chi Kyrie and ad. And then, you know, whatever parts you could fill in, and you know, my God, Pamela Gordon, he was just on option oh my god, we he would have been here immediately. But once again, that's a whole nother cover another day. But I think about that also, all speaking to Hayward. The worst thing that happened was that he got injured in 2017. Yep, that's the worst thing that happened. Because once he went down and you gave them the keys, it doesn't wear any younger Right is I'm just gonna miss them. Any young guy right I think would have been different and you gave me keys from the jump by it was just like okay this is y'all whatever but hey what was coming in he was the big signing. Trade Academy for a month later Taylor broke his foot to the metal no Jaylen Brown and they're starting but do so I had to work for it. You know still have Marcus Morris so we're still a veteran lending team at that 2017 2018 year but obviously some injuries and trays just like things just end up happening. You know, the hospital salt is born. So you know, rosier catches fire. Really tributo now, hindsight shit, maybe they get to a finals where rose their brow Tatum Horford and hey, who knows? Maybe because even that's still a very talented team without a carryover. But I get it. They were in panic mode. They felt it in another all star that guard. That's why they got Kemba Walker. Listen, at the time. I thought it made sense. I know. Hindsight is 2020. So you can always say it and it worked out. Yeah, it didn't work out fine. But at that time, it made sense to go get replacing the old star with all star, a guy that they were going to like playing with which they did like play with. And you know, it worked for 30 games. And then, you know, he chose to play a million minutes in the All Star game and the rest was was history. But just play it back to the hey, we're injury. Yeah, hit him going down. change everything. Because once the keys were given to them, and they had that 110 It was first year where he was showing like, Look, I am the future like I'm not next. I'm now and you know, we all bought a lot of SendGrid could I was talking cash it so anyway, I want to hear it. He was he was money. It's always Jalen Brown. Especially that Milwaukee series, right? I ruined that game for when they both for for 30 Plus and I was like, Oh, I said oh, this is I mean, we got these two guys next to Kirby Hayward next year. How do they lose? Well, they did. But it would. It's like God never really. Um, well, yeah, that that was the worst thing that could have happened. So now it's like, okay, I feel like if you do Trey brown Jalen brown comes No, I just feel like that's who I just my gut just says that's what ended up trading right? I just feel like that's what they would do. They didn't trade it bro how to trade a walker guy See, bro like I see Walker. And other guys all star going to get stuff that I like but Antoine goes to Dallas plays well, whatever. Goes to Miami. He wins before Pierce and I've ever been PES Can I can totally see that happening now and they traded Jaylen brown first. You can guarantee wherever Jalen brown goes, that he was either going to accomplish fine. Oh, well, no one's ever said but we want to say they're like, Wow, hey, Jaylen Brown really won an NBA championship and whatever in a few years before before 10. So that's what I can see happen. And that would be like I'm average off the second bridge that happens like that. That'd be that'd be wild. I'll also say this right now. So hopefully when you jump, you have a bungee cord. I firmly believe that Brad is going to win a championship before Jason Tatum does if he does leave. And if he's staying. I think Jalen Brown will win a championship before Jason Tatum does. I think Jason Tatum has all of the things that you want to make a great a top five NBA player in terms of stats. I said this in the in the group chat. I just wish that when he drove to the basket, he drove to score. It didn't he didn't drive to draw to draw a file. And that as you can tell, I get it. That's the name of the game. Now I get it. He get he gets fired. He gets fouled a lot. And they don't call it like, like there's like even I think about the Washington game. Right? And this was like in the first or something. I think it in the first second that was on but you could tell bill clearly hoped that you could tell like TV in person you could tell Bill literally hugged that man. And they just swallow the whistle. And it's and I told I told Bob me. I think this is why I'm taking this test. I said I'd be pissed too. If I'm getting held. Try to tell and I get it. But if you don't if you don't hold Tatum, you just say hey, he's gonna cook us every time one on one you have to scratch full grab against him. Or he's gonna say they would say it you have to you have to kind of cheat against these guys. Because if not, as you saw last night with Jalen Brown, you're going to get worked every time That's how good these guys are individually on and they know what to do which is you know, part of the reason why the ball moves out what it is but also you know, it goes back to a smart point smart was flight. But he's the wrong messenger. I didn't find I didn't find out whoever said it. I didn't find real actually I know mine. Ours is the only got it set it up. I love I love the fact that he talked about how he felt that it was on him. It's like it's not sir. You have been the saving grace. And I knew he was gonna ball when he came back and was all he started for you. 35 years old. I'm here fucking playing in Oklahoma City. He literally got treatment all year. Does he still in great. He's jumping over people jumping around, blocking everything in sight. The debris ladder works a lot better this year than it did last year because I'm sure Thompson just wasn't just wasn't good at all. And he had a few moments where he was really good in the playoffs. But other than that he wasn't like great Throughout the year, so yeah, offers already pay dividends in that regard. But yeah, someone's got to give them some has to we need to wash bomb channels bombs, what happens? Quick things before, before we wrap up the first thing I know that there is circumstances that will not come through to this to this analogy or to this comparison that I'm about to make. But if I were to tell you that five years ago, you would have Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown and over the course of that five years, you would have sprouted than with Kyrie Irving Kemba, Walker, and Gordon Hayward, and then tell you that you did not have to have a championship to show for it. What would you say? What a Philadelphia Eagles of early 2000s failure? Oh, yeah. They got someone No, they got to watch. So we need we needed to who's gonna be out to that we needed to that's gonna say, hey, get on my back. We don't get there. Because he's a reason why they got the championship. It wasn't like that. So that's why we agree. Yeah. And so we need to, I don't know, to me, but to be Donovan Mitchell could be that guy. I think that he is that foster fans will love Garvin Mitchell, the minute you step on the floor, the minute he sat on the floor, Donovan Mitchell doesn't he only knows one speed. And he is the D weight of this era. In my opinion. He was somebody gotta get to the line, who's gonna drop 40 On your head where he needs to lose weight and defend even though he's a little smaller, but he's he's gonna defend what he needs to and once again, he has a chemistry with Jaylen brown that we're talking about getting rid of Tatum. You won't say well, you're building Roger Brown. I promise you that daven Misha that guy now I don't know Utah thinks to do that to me. I don't know why they would have him in tandem was bigger than than Mitchell you know, angles and commonly could be the can be the playmakers over there. And then you got to go bear, I think you will see 10 on first over there and Utah, obviously, I'm playing next summer like Roberto defense will be better. And so on and so forth. So and then Chris Snyder, preaches Baltimore like you cannot play for Utah, if you don't move the ball. So it just feels like this is very slow. So that's just something day. Literally they have a Utah Jazz symposium. It's hi hello welcome stall wait to move the ball low talk like that. That's just that's what it is there you can tell so yeah, so listen, think about yourself as fans Listen, you're speaking to someone who never wants you to do a breakup I don't want to see Antoine and Paul breakup either like I have a picture of them in my we're not at my mom's house I love the boat I want them to win here What have not like somebody's got to get but just to be clear when that duel broke up they both want a championship right so I'm so if that's the case I'm down here for it but I wanted to get together I was I wanted Paul and Antoine went together I just thought that just felt more getting because they both got drafted you know saying like just like this like tandem Abraca drop the gap to me it really is similar things right it really is now I mean they was a great right away meeting Paracel Walker but you know that run against the net but that must again that team you never questioned their heart apart Yeah, never never question that was in that game through it gets New Jersey set it all right. You never question that. So the game five against Philadelphia that year with a dorm out in that building? I mean, we blew him out of that that then the fleet center right? We just have a question in the game we get our parents and our parents is tearing them down, knock down the three like there's so many more you can go to. And I said pit Tatum and Brandon had someone was already in the playoffs and you're like, Okay, you know, these guys are game time when it matters most. But I don't know. But I say you said it perfectly. Brother said that. It's it's this you're never once again DK Give me your flowers while you're still here, brother. You took the bullet or early on. I say I didn't agree with it at the time. But I say you were ahead of the curve. And you know, once I said I can't fully invest I'm gonna watch because we don't talk about him on the show. But I'm also going to be started we're gonna have to garden so I have to see this bullshit. So but I'm not happy about that. But it is what it is. Real quick. 30 seconds before we go. What happened to Bobby's rookie of the year candidate Payton Pritchard. I don't know. And it's the same because him and Nico didn't play as well as Romeo. This team needs energy. They need energy. And those two guys for bidat I get emails looking for wins. So he's not looking to develop the young guys right away. But if you look back at last year, those games that we don't win without paying oppression are nice. So what are we will purchase playing 14 minutes again? Not a lot. Not a lot. Not me. You should get a little bit more of it. Two points. That's what he's averaging. You got to do more. You have to do more. Yeah, he's got to be more but it's just like my thing is what did him a nice rip do the back in the doghouse. I mean, great. Lisa was playing under braless at that so it wasn't like that. Like he was playing more but I just I don't understand why that's the case. Maybe he makes protecting him because of the the masking I don't know, but it's just like listen, you're not at liberty to pick or choose when to play certain guys. The only guy who should be at the end of bench is Bruno Fernando. Actually You know what hernangomez is the most I like what I saw in the first season like to me you know needs to switch things up like it's okay to switch up this second unit should be one of the best second years in the league it should be on paper when you look at registered coming in habits either staggering Horford or Williams you know and then maybe haven't brought a Tim depending on how you staggering minutes like that they should be one of the best thing you're in and we just got Jeff teacup there come on just stop Brad water coming out there but you need that you need that so I don't know what they do from here. I really don't. Could I say I no longer have confidence into any game they come into I really don't no doubt I'm like I said that last night's game broke me I have to be honest, it broke was out and there's no game. They come into what they gain. I think now they haven't held to win and Bobby actually fought again. Let's say you do they got a chance. And I said they do. And that was wild. I told him a few years ago. I said this season this rest is selfish who's gonna mirror the Red Sox season meaning that they catch fire when no one thinks they will? No good sir. At least a diversion of Congress follows but we just watched that after after yesterday I might I just fucking and just I understand that, you know, this is you know, early on, but this has been happening since Bamaga. BIOS block and the bubble. So my bow has parsed it. Pun intended, and I'm over it. I'm done. The salaries are on pace to go 3031 to 51 this year. So with that, for Rayshawn Buchanan, my name is Michael Mark Angelo, thank you so much for listening to missing the point and we'll talk to you later.