Super Bowl 56 Recap, Best Halftime Shows Ever, and The Celtics are Killing Bad Teams

Joe Malkin: 1:02

Welcome into this point. My name is Joe Malkin. I'm with Rayshawn Buchanan this evening and of course we as always have our executive well not as always, it's been less than less lately, but Craig, we'll talk about that when we're not recording our EP Craig D'Alessandro. Happy Valentine's Day, guys. Valentine's Day was this week. I hope you celebrated it, whether you're single or married or not, who knows? Whatever. No, or, or you didn't. And that's fine, too, because it was just a Monday and it's a corporate holiday. That's just capitalism. So anyway, yeah. If you don't know what else happened this week, is the Super Bowl Super Bowl 56. It's the championship game of the National Football League here in the United States of America. I know we have a lot of listeners from Ireland and Jamaica of all places. So you want to make sure they know what the suit no, they know suitable, so I'll stop mansplaining. But Ray, what a game. It was a fun night. It's really interesting to and I'll share my feelings on it as we get into it. But it was really a spectacle. And it was a lot of fun to watch. I had a weird error around the game this year. I don't know why it felt that way. But we can get into that. But the playoffs leading up to the Super Bowl were absolutely outstanding. You had the Patriots get blown out by the Buffalo Bills. You had the 49ers beat out the Packers you had, you know you had kind of I don't want to call them the dark horse. But you had the Cinderella story in the Cincinnati Bengals. And then you have you know, 36 year old Sean McVeigh and his I don't want to call them a band of misfit toys. But when you really look at that roster, they kind of were a band of misfit toys, they were pieces put together from other places to attempt to win a Super Bowl, and they did just that. But you know, leading up to the game, it was a very different era as well. They didn't arrive, the Bengals didn't arrive in LA on Monday or Tuesday of the week before the Super Bowl, and they didn't have their normal media availability stuff due to the COVID protocols and everything else. But all that said, Ray did for you did this game live up to its expectations after after what we saw the rest of the playoffs?

Rayshawn Buchanan: 3:13

So I think it did to an extent I mean, obviously, you know, the, you know, the bills and Cheifs really set the tone for what was going to happen in the rest of the playoffs. I think a lot of people's eyes that was the Superbowl, honestly. Because it was such a back and forth, especially towards the internet game. So yeah, I mean, I see your point about it being kind of a different air. Yeah, I wonder what it was, I think maybe it's like the LA feel like LA is really not a football town is if it's really not a sports outside the Dodgers to be me, I know to La canes and won a couple championships in the last decade. But they're not really, you know, the best horse. In my opinion. They just happen to be a big market. But yeah, before as far as the game went, I think it was I think it went fine. You know, I was excited to see Joe burrow. You know, those have listened to the show in the past. I know that I have been a Matthew Stafford supporter. You know, since the inception of the show, I was happy to see him get one so yeah, so I mean, for me, like I was I was keen to but I also know that I didn't live up to the hype of what we saw, you know, Kansas City against buffalo, or even even the Rams against Tampa Bay. Right? It was just there was just a lot of different trauma that happened that we didn't really see last Sunday, whether it be in a close game, but nevertheless, it was a great game.

Joe Malkin: 4:23

Yeah, it was it was such a strange, you know, you when you get a team like the Bengals in the Super Bowl. It was like the year when like Pittsburgh played Seattle, Seattle really hadn't come on yet. That was kind of the first time they reached the big stage with with the coaching staff and the quarterback that they still have today. And you know, even the Colts and the bears Super Bowl of 2006. You know that that Super Bowl was kind of a strange one in the fact that you know, how did the bears get there? We kind of figured Peyton Manning would get there. And we kind of said the same thing that year two, and I believe we probably said it if we were on the air on the radio, which we that may have been a little before our time, but that was kind of that the Super Bowl that year was the AFC Championship between the Patriots and the Colts that was kind of how it was was looked at. And I think you're right. I think in a lot of ways the big game was the bills and chiefs and then the other big game was Tom Brady again Sean McVeigh League and after the you know, they met in the Super Bowl a few years ago. So when they got to the Super Bowl, it was alright the rams are here and then there's a Cinderella story with the banks and they played that up they they used Joe burrow as they should kind of Joe Cool. used him as as the launching point for a lot of their conversations and I thought that was great and He did a great job of of pushing this game, especially with the Olympics going on at the same time. They did a they did a really nice job of pushing this game and and really making us known that it was it was happening because you know, it wasn't the same coverage that we normally get. I enjoyed it. Honestly, I think it did live up to the hype. I thought it was an outstanding football game. I thought it was well played on both sides. You got exactly what you expected from Matt Stafford you got almost what you expected from Joe burrow. We don't really know what we're gonna get from Joe burrow, right. Like this year was essentially his rookie year, because he got hurt last season. But you know, I just, I had Zach Taylor out the door last year on this podcast, I had him on the hot seat. And for him to now have coached him Super Bowl, I think is I think it's amazing. And I think that he what he is done with that team, what his coaching staff has done with, from what we hear out of out of the NFL in Cincinnati is that, you know, they're an under appreciated team, even by the owners, they don't have the same facilities. They're the only team in the league, I might be mistaken. But I know that there, if not the only one of very few teams in the league that don't have an indoor facility. And they do a lot of practices at the University of Cincinnati for that reason. So, you know, they're kind of underappreciated in that way, but for them to do what they did, and to get to where they did with the roster that they have a very young roster whether it's the coaching roster or the playing roster, but for the Rams, man, I mean, this is a good segue into our into our next question, but the Rams as I said, The Misfit Toys Ray, you know, you got you got Matt Stafford in his 13th year in the league, you have Aaron Donald in his eighth year in the league who's been pushing towards this his entire career and this was the second Super Bowl Cooper capu is he's the best. He's the best receiver in the NFL right now. I think Jamal chases up there but Cooper cup is the best receiver in the National Football League. And then you know, you have Odell Beckham Jr. who got there and caught a touchdown pass caught the first one on the Zoom. A lot of people made a lot of money off of that. You got you got Whitworth the left tackle there who's 40 years old. He's He's the oldest player in the league right now at 40 years old since Tom Brady retired shortly before the Super Bowl. So you got it. You got a group of guys that have both sorry, but can't forget about Von Miller. You got a group of guys that have been chasing the rings and Von Miller does have one he got one with Denver and Peyton Manning in 2015. But you got guys that have been chasing rings their entire career and they finally got it and re speaking of Matt Stafford and Aaron Donald, what does this do for for their careers?

Rayshawn Buchanan: 8:24

Oh, well, I'll start with Stafford I think that he goes I think he was kind of like in that Brad Johnson Trent Dilfer kind of category even though he had one more roughly he was maybe looked at as those type of quarterbacks but I think that puts I think it puts him a step above that now, you know, I mean, listen, I he was awesome. Early on in the season, I thought he was early MVP, he you could clearly see that he was one of the difference makers of why they were, you know, dominated where they were dominating, you know, and I disagree. Good. I got a message from a friend of mine saying, Man, you know, it was kind of like plug and play like, you know, golf, you know, golf got them there, too. I said, Yeah, golf, got them there. didn't score a touchdown, like the demand score three points. So and I know you know, I know Tommy Hearn. You know, who, you know, had mentioned that, uh, you know, Somerby only generating I think, at the time I 19 points between two Super Bowls is not the greatest thing, but it's like, oh, the the emphasis on the key or the emphasis is to win the game and that's what happened. But you know, first I forgot it was like, you know, he had his he had his lumps and you know, you had just mostly like, okay, here we go. Like he's, he's, he's reverted back to Detroit. Matt Stafford, but you know, he got it done. And I don't think he's a Hall of Famer just yet still, but I know that that's the question that's going to be posed. I know, he's been on the network and other you know, media outlets, you know, just to create content throughout the week as we're doing right now ourselves. But yeah, I think he's very, very well on his way to the Hall of Fame. Currently, he's very close to 50,000 yards and you know, he's to get to 16 before he's done, am I the only he's only 33 years old? So you know, but very happy to him far as air Donald goes this this dude is in the LT. Reggie whites, you know, what's the guy playing actually on the Rams digging digging? Digging Joel do they get Jones? He TT he's in his cat. He's in a category like this. He's got high light his dad came up the womb of just just a football player. It's unbelievable. Um, he's he's top five defensive but my period regard regardless of error, regardless of position like it's just I've never seen someone dominate the man like you say he's he's been in the league for eight years. The management all pro not a pro bowler, all Pro for a second. Many years in a row at all pro not not someone who went to the All Star game which is cool but that's to me the Pro Bowl is the biggest joke of all especially without you playing touch football man you can get out there and get a couple of passes you know boy grew McCrea me and Cray protecting y'all. But y'all know saying but it's just like it's a joke but no for him to be I think considered an LT conversation. Now he now he will be shipping out he got one of his own. I think they'll be back at some point. I don't necessarily mean every next year but I definitely think they'll be back in just to solidify his career now. He easily would have been called by he's going to be first ballot Hall of Fame without a doubt, you know, but just this this put just puts him to me in that ot Reggie White puts him in that category. So you know, actually, I mean, I did we spoke about this on our in our in our pre show meeting. But let's say even for Von Miller to man like I know he's had his injuries and stuff. But you know, if you're underweight number two pick, I think it's 2011 not mistaken. You know how to Texas a&m And he does what he does in Denver. You know, they they basically have a defensive clinic against Cam Newton in 2016. So both 50 For him to kind of bookend his career, so to speak. I know he's probably going to keep playing and but we're having to get a secretary, NASA, his legacy. He's also another hall of famer. Uh, you know, Jalen Ramsey is that a lot for him? So yeah, like that. Now, that whole, the whole team man, they had a lifestyle. He said, The Misfit Toys, they found a way to get it done. Came from other places, you know, von Von Miller ship between today. I woke up for and for, woke up 71 I woke up I woke up today a world champion. So that's what you should say, and I'm happy for them. I'm hoping to meet them next year. In the editor and meet y'all pappy, you know, I'm happy for them now. But I will I would love to be ranked number 10 Jersey, you know, watching your videos from the Superbowl in Arizona next year?

Joe Malkin: 12:37

Yeah, right. I would love Arizona. It'll be great. I probably drag my wife with me since she's from there. Yeah, well,

Rayshawn Buchanan: 12:44

I am exactly.

Joe Malkin: 12:45

I mean, what's really interesting is that, you know, we grew up at the tail end of of Reggie White's career, you know, and we saw a lot of these defensive linemen. We never I never, none of us are old enough to have seen LT play. I don't think so. I don't think he played into the 90s. No, just just Craig. Yeah, just great. Yeah, right. Oh, nuts. Actually, Bobby. All right, right. Well, like we didn't get to really see these guys play. But you hear the lore. And and that's what's so interesting about hearing the lore of these guys. And I think what, what really helped those guys careers is that social media wasn't around. And I'm not saying that they weren't good. I don't want to give out that impression. But social media wasn't around. You couldn't follow these guys every move this, that and the other thing, but, you know, one thing we like to do on this show, especially is look at what a guy's character is off the field. As far as I'm concerned, Aaron, Donald is a model citizen, and he's an absolute animal on the football field. And if it weren't for Cooper cup, catching that second touchdown pass, Aaron Donald's the MVP of that Super Bowl. You know, he is the defensive MVP. That's, and I don't know if that what that would mean to him. Or if that means anything, he got a ring, that's great. But that guy when when that team needed him most, he put the team on his back and made two huge plays at the end of that football game, to secure a win for them. And he did it all game long. He was just a presence and you know, it's some people will say well that the Bengals offensive line is bad and it doesn't matter. Their NFL players are getting paid on NFL salaries. You know, that's on the coaching staff and the general manager if that line in front of your second year quarterback who had a knee injury last year isn't good enough. Like that's a problem to me, Joe. Joe burrow was the most sacked player in the NFL this year. And he made it to a Super Bowl. First one in the Super Bowl era. So I mean, that's that's pretty what I'm the matt Stafford stuff. I vehemently disagree. It's the second time I've heard that opinion this week that he's in the same level as as Dilfer and Johnson. And the reason why I disagree with that is because even though he played 12 years in Detroit, and it didn't go well, he played 12 years in Detroit and still put up numbers like his name came up in MVP conversations before like Keaton, you know what I mean, like Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson, their names never came up in those conversations they they won championships because of the teams built around them. When you think of some of the greatest defenses of all time in the NFL. Sure you think of the pebble people here do you think of the the 86 Giants you think of you think of the the 2015 Sorry, Denver Broncos, the Denver's Craig almost almost screwed that one up by 2000 ravens you think of the 2001 Buccaneers like those are the teams that you think of so that's what those teams had going for them now. Did Matt Stafford Have a great defense around him. Absolutely go. Look at his numbers on the season. Granted, he had 17 interceptions. He's the first quarterback to lead the league. Second first quarterback since Eli Manning in 2007, to lead the league in interceptions and go to a Super Bowl and win. And that's that's pretty impressive stat. And a lot of that goes to the team that he had around him that was around him. And they they created and as much as I cannot stand Stan Crunky he allowed his general manager and his head coach to go out and build a team. And that's what they did. And and Matt Stafford may not have been the key piece. And I think that that's why we can look at it and say, you know, maybe Jared Goff could have won with this roster because he almost won with the last roster that they got there with against the Patriots. But I think if Matt Stafford's the quarterback of that rams team against the Patriots a few years ago that game might have gone a different

Rayshawn Buchanan: 16:35

way. Yep, and it's funny it's almost it's almost like we've done a show together before because you you again great you're in my head I was yeah thank you thank thank God thank God it was there a golf back there that do it pick the stuff on go more and not not that he couldn't have picked off? magic magic Stafford but you know, also Cooper cup, then playing that game either. I'd forgotten about that now. That's a bit so. Yeah, so hit. Yeah. Whoo. They Thank you. Thank you football Gods even though you know, we all know there shouldn't have been there because there was a passionate affair. But you know, that's a whole nother conversation one day but yeah, maybe that was just calm, right that karma COVID But yeah, yeah, I mean, also I see another another tweet that I thought was was a was relevant to this conversation. Man, Dante Scarnecchia deserves he put them in all the fame right now. Because the fact that you did that type of job because Aaron he didn't really get to Brady like that few years ago when they played and once again he was still a beast three years younger, whatever he wanted that boy turn brown was you know when to use when you 663 75 you know and he was motivated that's how he was like that this year but he was motivated a few years ago that he was he was special so you know don't take don't take Scarnecchia deserves a lot of credit for the game plan against Aaron Donald obviously, you know, you have to GamePlan for guys like him because now he's gonna be super disruptive. So yeah, you know, we can only hope that you know, Christian bomber becomes a Walmart version of Aaron Donald. If he does

Joe Malkin: 18:09

take it if he becomes after player in bar more. Yeah, that's

Rayshawn Buchanan: 18:12

what I say. I said well me after that because Walmart Aaron Donald, you know, we'll be in Arizona next year. And I firmly believe that I think he had a hell of a rookie year you know, or you know, we can we can drive baby Donald, you know, he just played the national championship game you know, Jordan Davis please I listen. I want everyone knows I want John Mackey I have I have made that proclamation several times on the show if we can get Jordan Davis in the middle of this lineup and get it get some faster linebackers and you know another corner I like our chests for next year but yeah, but like I said it needless to say like back to the Superbowl. But yeah, I don't those guys are, were phenomenal. So we can move on.

Joe Malkin: 18:57

And so I want to stay kind of honest, because a lot of people had a lot to say about the last two minutes of the game, the referees throwing the flags, you know, I got a little wound up about that holding call against the Bengals as well. There had only been four flags before that one of which was in an uninformed player for the bangles coming onto the field during the first touchdown, which really only affect kickoff and Ron Ron Torbert was the guy for this game. He's very composed. He's one of my favorite NFL referees. He's composed he knows the game and I know that that's not his crew which is a lot of the reason why there's a lot of talking after a lot of the you know, they kind of just bring the best of the best into the Super Bowl. I thought the officials did a fine job of 50 you know with I thought that that call it the end was bogus. And I think he should have swallowed his whistle and called it off. I don't think that the fix was endless was something that I've been seeing on Twitter. Twitter's just yeah. Yes, it was in and this and that. And it's like, you know, I mean, maybe sure like you want to say all they wanted to get Stafford is ring and Joe burrow will be back or they wanted to give these guys their ring and Baba and it's like, you know, Odell Beckham, Jr. is not like a best friend of the NFL office in New York City. So right now, right? I just, I can't it's not fit. And you know what? I don't know what to ruin this for sports. If it was a, you know, social media or if it was the donahey thing in the NBA. What was that? That's 1012 years ago now. Like I don't know what ruinous for people. And now people like oh, it's fixed. It's raked? Well, the no launch Don't Don't watch if you honestly believe it's like the WWE don't watch. But when you think there's no way to get something that's moving that fast with that many people involved to rig it, it's just not possible. It's just not a possible thing. And maybe I'm not even saying that. And somebody can can come back and leave a review and tell him, I'm smoking some good stuff, if I believe that, but I don't, it's not raped, it can't be raped. And I'm not saying that like a question. I'm saying that it's a statement. It's not rigged. And they they made a call, they made a call in the moment, and you know what they're human. And that's what people this is why they're shortages. For the here I go on a tangent. This is why there's shortages for referees and officials in college, high school and youth athletics, because parents and fans get all over these officials for making a call. They're human. And they're like, well, it's their job, blah, blah, blah. You've never made a mistake at your job. No, you didn't know that. Oh, no. Why? Because you're not on TV. So we don't have to point out the mistakes, shut your mouth and watch the game or don't that I mean, you know, it's just, just don't do it. We want our kids and we want our and we our kids to play sports and we want our family to play sports and be a part of this and we love watching sports on TV. And then we hear of people you know, people going on the field and starting fights and referees in the NFL, the NBA getting death threats, and it's like, Guys, it they're human, they're, they're gonna make a call, they're gonna make a mistake, and sometimes it might affect the outcome of the game. But just like the ball going through Bill Buckner his legs in 1986 World Series against the New York Mets it wasn't the deciding game. It wasn't the deciding play stop them on the next one stopping you you want the bangles to win stop among the next play. And and they didn't and they couldn't and the Rams took advantage of a mistake by the officials. And that's just the way it goes and and they deserved they deserve to win it both of those teams deserve to win the Superbowl. They both played a solid football game on both sides of the football and it was so well coached. It was just it was so much fun to watch and and I and just for people to want to ruin it by saying it's rigged is just paying us

Rayshawn Buchanan: 22:57

Yeah, no, I let's let's I give myself a word on top too hard on a mic but that that was a golf club. I don't he told a massive like that. That was Yeah, good. I mean, I don't have much to add to that. But I go every you know, freaking sediment man. Like it's crazy. I got so many texts after that, that she's those games like man, like, like, how do you go from, you know, you know, you gotta go back and forth. And uh, you just scrolls points to that at that time. It's like yo, these teams are rarely good wrong. The light gave David Davis was out here and it had been what I call the mixtape session. Boys was out here spinning around all yours alloggi cycle it was out of control that that man did whatever he wanted. So it happens these guys these guys are professional,

Joe Malkin: 23:41

professional athlete, but their world class athletes, right?

Rayshawn Buchanan: 23:45

He's perfecting his prop. I imagine that but yeah, I listened to your point about what it was Tim Donnelly, and it definitely wasn't a doctor. He is a mix of social media also to stop stop gambling. Some gambling. You know, you're mad because you got a plus one. 200 o'clock book. $50 Bet okay, I feel you. But as of today, you just lost $50 Okay, all right. Cool. It was five down to 10,000. Now, I didn't require to I lost him back. I just say hey, you know what the fix was in? January. This is the part I get you. Um, but yeah, like you said to your point. Oh, don't don't watch bro. Don't watch. Don't make any statements about how this and it's just like, it makes no sense to me. Um, you know, now it's just certain things or certain things like obvious. Sure. Um, was that a facemask and gives you all Jalen Ramsey? Absolutely. Yeah, Kelly Rosie get torched the whole game. Absolutely hit so beautiful. Oh, no, I wasn't a makeup call. Maybe it could have been it could have been it could have been that for the date. I think they noticeable that we did miss one I hated it was at that time in the game.

Joe Malkin: 24:50

You know what they're gonna go back and they're gonna watch them as a as a crew when I was referees they are evaluated every since I like these guys just do the games and then it's never heard of again people watch these they evaluate they look at they look at what the crews do. Well, who was the the crew earlier in the playoffs that it was basically said they were gonna get to do another playoff game because they're poor performance.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 25:13

Do you think was the director Raiders Bengals game? Yeah,

Joe Malkin: 25:15

I think it was. Yeah. And that's just the way it is. And that's what they do. They go back and look. So they're gonna look at the Superbowl and say, Hey, maybe we missed one here. Maybe we missed one there. And it's a learning experiment for these people. It's just like, it's just, it's just like these athletes making mistakes, and not executing on plays. Man. It just happens and yeah, they're going to score points in that short amount of time. Those are two of the best offenses in the NFL and that the NFL has ever seen. I have it's just it's just the way sports But you're right about the betting thing. And I I'm glad you brought that up. Because if you're not betting on the game, you don't care as much. And if you're if you're pissed that you lost $10,000 Well, it's, it's not. It's not the officials fault. It's not Cooper cups fault. It's not the the linebacker from the Bengals fault. It's your fault for putting 10 grand down in the game. Don't blame other people for your shortcomings. But I don't back the casino with $10,000 and then lose it all and come home and like that's all that's all my money like not? Whether it is or isn't that's not the point. It's just the $10. But yeah, I mean, I we divorced in two seconds, like Stop, stop, stop spending all your money on this crap. I mean, listen, I'm a big proponent of legalized gambling, legalize marijuana. Love it, let's do it. Good, good way, you want to get more money, more tax money, more revenue, great, but let's start putting in where it's supposed to go. That's different podcasts. But at the same time, like if you want it, you got to be responsible and that and and so many times I'm watching games or fantasy football people and they're like, Oh, what the hell? What? WTF and he couldn't do this. And they took them off the field. And so you can't because they don't care about your fantasy team. They're just doing their job, man. Like, just, I've gone on this rant so many times. But these people, it's their profession. It's their job. It's not, but it's their job. It's their livelihood. It's what they do for work. It is work. It's work. When I come home from work. I don't sit there and thinking, you know, this was another thing that somebody brought up but and I saw this video on Tik Tok of this guy. And he He clipped Joe Burrell was out at a bar and Kid Cuddy was performing and he was up on stage with Kid cutting this guy's you just lost the Superbowl that didn't give a shit that he just lost the Super Bowl. I'm sorry. I have to say it that way. I mean, he cares. He cares that he just lost the Super Bowl. That's a big deal to him. What was he supposed to do? I don't come home and sit on the couch. And think about all the mistakes I made all day. I don't think about my triumphs and sit there and like, get over it, man. It's these guys at work. Just let them let them live their lives. You watch them. And then when it's done, get over that. That's the way I feel. But let's keep talking about the Super Bowl. So Right.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 28:00

I love it. I was gonna fire it up. I love it.

Joe Malkin: 28:03

This is great. Next year, the NFL is going to look very different. We're gonna have we're gonna have no Tom Brady. For the first time since the 2001 season. We're gonna have no Ben Roethlisberger for the first time since the 2005. Is the four Yep. Yeah. Was he part of that mandate? Oh, yeah, he was he was part of that. Yeah. Like, no Ben Roethlisberger since $2. For the first time since 2004. We're gonna see new coaches and new places, new quarterbacks and new places. You know, it's gonna it's gonna we're gonna see a lot of the landscape of the NFL change this offseason, maybe more than we've seen a change in the last 510 years. Joe burrow and the Cincinnati Bengals are obviously an up and coming team. Oh, Craig, you just cockeyed. Why? Because I'm saying the landscape is gonna look different than the last five years. Why? Because Tom Brady left the New England Patriots two years ago. You think that was the entire landscape? There's more in the NFL than just Tom Brady. I'm all fine.

Craig D'Alessandro: 28:57

I was looking at Mack Jones his girlfriend feeding them cookies. Oh, they're adorable. By the way, they are adorable. They

Joe Malkin: 29:05

are adorable. He he I seeing pictures of him with his girlfriend makes me like him even more because I feel like he's just a cool dude. And he's like really good to her. And that makes me like him even more. So

Rayshawn Buchanan: 29:16

that's another thing I saw her dog just marry her. Yeah, it just keeps getting better for the Patriots. And yeah, just just marry her right now. Boo.

Joe Malkin: 29:24

That's what I did. I just knew I was never ever ever going to find anything better than my wife so I married her

Rayshawn Buchanan: 29:29

Good answer. Good answer baby.

Craig D'Alessandro: 29:32

There's no greater love than playing fortnight me your girlfriend bring you chocolate chip cookies.

Joe Malkin: 29:37

Alright, I might I might need to trade him for like what is this the 1957 inches so so the landscape of the NFL is gonna change I'm and you know what? The Rams in the bangles? I mean, I guess the bangles especially because they're the younger team of the younger coaching staff. Are we going to see them back in the playoffs making this kind of a push next year? Or do we think the landscape of the AFC is going to change enough that it's going to be more difficult to get there?

Rayshawn Buchanan: 30:05

So I think it'll still be more difficult like they don't make the playoffs? I think that Burroughs confidence is through the roof regardless of what goes down obviously like like say Matt de la subo chases upset you know, Boyd Higgins like you know it's almost like they they're all mad at a loss obviously so I'm sure they'll be driven all offseason by this this loss and how close they were and will play they could have made and you know, just you know, how do you play as a unit when it mattered most um, so yeah, let them know they'll be around. I think that you know, the AFC North there's always going to be competitive as long as my Tom was coaching Pittsburgh regardless of what you feel about his coaching philosophy He's like the boys. They just find a way to win games.

Joe Malkin: 30:45

Never no record below 500. Right, exactly. I

Rayshawn Buchanan: 30:48

still think Lamar, is it still a problem when he when he's on? You know, and I say I'll keep saying this. I'm blue in the face. The man got hurt in any way another game the rest of the year, just saying. So what are your thoughts? How many was better or not? And he was really good. But Lamar, Lamar,

Joe Malkin: 31:05

he was he was fun to watch. Yeah, for sure. For sure.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 31:08

He definitely was fun to watch. But, you know, he made these new era. He's I have, yeah, they'll be around. But yeah, as far as the landscape goes, I'm listening. You still got, you know, you got mahomes You got Herbert, we got Josh Allen, I do think Mac will be in that category, eventually. I really do. Um, it's just a matter of, I don't know how much progression is going to look in year two, I think it's always going to be a lot better. Um, but he's still a tier below those guys. Right now. And that's okay. Um, but you know, he's he's definitely coming out there. He's in the best situation, you know, to get to that, to get into that into that next level. But yeah, I don't know. I mean, there's many people that thought that Joe will be right back next year. And I'm just like, whoa, you know, there was a guy that came up to University of Pittsburgh and actually 83 wishes another famous tutor at quarterback drop, you know, was hammering away a basis little bonus second year, don't want 48 touchdowns, you know, on all over the park a lot. And, you know, they lose to San Francisco, you know, this guy named Joe Montana, you know, and he never touched the Superbowl again. It's not a foregone conclusion to get back there. Well, we witness it 20 years as an anomaly. And I gotta get on my guy Ricky for that why he said early like that. It is an anomaly what we saw in northern for 20 years, getting there, not eight 910 times half this career, man was Lobo. So every other year you game here. They're like, that's not that's not normal. Lazy dumb is not normal. I want you to know that. You'd be lucky to get to two or three. You know, saying Alexa has already been to two you know? Sorry. craved it. That's just that's just facts. Obviously paying money went to four. What's a four? No, yeah, it was a four. Yeah, once who last? So yeah, so you know, so it's just like, it's hard to get there. But unless you're at that, at that elite Elite level, a lot of things have to break right for you to get to that to that level. So but like far less as far as landscape goes, I just think that you know, the MC is going to be tough for years to come. And if things don't break right fewer certain year and just that's what it is, like just kind of see what was the cream of the crop and it was a Randy Savage so you know, it was agreement of crop and we got to see who's uh, who's going to come out top dog when it matters most but yeah, I'm excited like, the next decade is going to be super fun. There's always going to be someone that you didn't envision being in that conversation that comes out of nowhere and you know, so I'm excited to see if that happens in AMC what happens in you know, the NOC cuz obviously you know, you got data that Tyler You know, so who else saw that as I MC is going to emerge as you know, another quarterback that's going to be really good so we'll see but either way football is in good hands. You know, even if legends are leaving the NFL preseason new star every year, Powell Baker and you start every week, just about so they'll be in good hands for years to come. Thankfully. Yeah,

Joe Malkin: 34:03

I think that the biggest thing that the Bengals have gone for him is the fact that next year I think the ravens are going to be a little pissed off about their season this year. I think they're gonna come back with a vengeance. I think they're really gonna push for that NFC North title. The Browns are not moving in the right direction again at the Steelers while I agree with you about Mike Tomlin they're now in a rebuild. They are automatically in a rebirth. They do not have the next guy behind Ben they're gonna have to draft a trade which I think that's a great opportunity for Pittsburgh to go out and get a guy I mean, we there's a guy right now in Indianapolis that apparently they're either going to trade or cut in Carson Wentz. I mean, we could see Carson Wentz go to Pittsburgh, we could see Russell Wilson go to Pittsburgh, we could. I mean we're I'm high on I'm high on Wednesday, I think Wentz is better than people give him credit for but the fact that this this makes me a little upset at GM in Indy, because I think the best thing for Carson Wentz is to play under Frank Reich and for them to want to get rid of them I don't know if it is Frank Reich that wants to get rid of them or if it is

Rayshawn Buchanan: 35:10

just it's peer pressure for sure it's fair pressure. But

Joe Malkin: 35:14

he would be uh I think Pittsburgh and I didn't think of till right now I think Pittsburgh would be in a great spot for Carson Wentz.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 35:20

Oh I hate oh please please I because I have so Philly fans that you know I can't stand to that to what happened well, even before the Phillies special but oh my god please, please let that happen. Go for like 35 Touchdown like seven picks. Please, please let that happen cuz they haven't ever seen before. They're they got to run the game there and now she airs like please please, please let that happen we trained him came to Pittsburgh,

Joe Malkin: 35:48

please Pittsburgh isn't on the phone with Indy cars, because any will give him up. Don't give him up for a bad boss. Right talking about him right now so great. And and so I know I know that that's the division but another guy that's been a trade rumor is allegedly the Washington commanders I like their new name. I know a lot of people don't but I will say it on the podcast because I haven't had that opportunity. I like the new name it makes for where they are in DC I think they missed a huge opportunity not calling themselves the Sentinels. I think there might have been a reason why they couldn't

Rayshawn Buchanan: 36:22

I like the prograde guy that we talked about off there. I think the brigade would it be really dope and Eric Thomas the brigade like I just I just love it.

Joe Malkin: 36:30

I mean, you know that the brigade is gonna, the brigades gonna be the name of their their fan like their fan base. You know what I mean? Like, it's not gonna be the hogs anymore. It's gonna be the brigade, we'll probably still have the hogs, Craig.

Craig D'Alessandro: 36:43

Don't forget, there was a guy in Maryland who trademarked pretty much every single possible name, you could feasibly name Washington. So it took them so long.

Joe Malkin: 36:51

He didn't get commanders. I mean, if he didn't get commanders, he might have seemed pretty smart. But that's kind of dumb if you don't go out and get commanders. I mean, you're in Washington DC with the president who's the Commander in Chief. And that's just it. It makes sense. I liked I liked what they did. I thought it was a good move for them. But they're apparently saying there's been a leak that they could justify trading the 11th overall pick to San Francisco for Jimmy Garoppolo.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 37:17

No way that's in the way. No, listen, let's listen. We've been big supporters. But listen, man, no. Don't do it. Don't do it. I'm sorry. Yes, sir. Yeah, they got their fourth cool. Got the 11th tech cut it out. Cut it out. Go Go get Spencer rattler no gets cut it out. Don't Don't Don't do that. Don't do it. Please don't lie. You

Joe Malkin: 37:38

know what, but here's the other problem. I have a note. Now I know we're going off on a quarterback tangent. Why? Why isn't Taylor Hi, Nikki good enough to play quarterback for Washington commanders? I think he's good enough. I don't know. I mean, you know what? To me. He's

Rayshawn Buchanan: 37:52

life is Patrick 2.0. Yeah,

Joe Malkin: 37:55

but he's not as cool. Number one, Ryan Fitzpatrick. Number two, I think I think he can quarterback that team. And we've seen We've seen that Ron Rivera can coach, a team can coach that team and they can do pretty well that they're not a bad football team. Ah, and they're not even the football team anymore. But I think Taylor Heinicke he would be would be a great, not great, but he'd be a good. Hey, don't give up the 11th pick for Jimmy Garoppolo

Rayshawn Buchanan: 38:21

Yeah, don't don't don't don't do that. Don't do that. What's the third, third, third, third through fifth? Give it a day three pick foot for that guy. Don't cut it out.

Joe Malkin: 38:29

Yeah, that's disrespectful. Dan. Dan Schneider already needs to be pushed off a short pier. But anyway, well, so I agree with you on Joe burrow. I don't want to get by next year. I I want to wait to see if he's Dan Marino 2.0 Instead of jewel cool. 3.0 Let's wait and see if there is a good possibility that the bangles ruin him. There's a good possibility but I mean, next year I thought that they heard that they

Rayshawn Buchanan: 38:52

heard but it actually but we know Loughborough I think has heard. I think

Joe Malkin: 38:56

Herbert could be Philip Rivers 2.0 where he's just really good his entire career and then just doesn't ever get there. I

Rayshawn Buchanan: 39:05

thought so So Dan felt stupid I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I started the game my bad dad files didn't make the Superbowl I believe I think

Joe Malkin: 39:19

the Chargers went to a Super Bowl dairy. I think they went

Rayshawn Buchanan: 39:21

no big loss at a bank was at one I'm sorry. Never mind. Never mind. So here's that boat. No more. I stand corrected. I was right. I was right. They lost

Joe Malkin: 39:29

yourself. And you were right. That was interesting. So So before we get on on to next year, Ray, the Super Bowl Halftime Show was was Mr. selja for the entire MTP crew. It was our childhood on one stage basically, but which was amazing. I was giddy the whole time. What did what did you? How did you feel about the performance? What did you think?

Rayshawn Buchanan: 39:56

So my that was? If not my favorite one is definitely the top two or three for sure. I felt that we were cheated. I thought we should have gotten to lose 25 minutes but you know, I felt like it was like 15 or maybe I think it was 15 So I'm like it should have been a lot longer. I did not know that. Dr. Drake could play the piano I was like he freaked out shut up and Ashley was awesome. Kendrick Lamar was awesome I just wanted to dance Devon west but listen his song All right still gets played on it gets played on my classroom into my game so my kids if you hear this, you know I saw it you know I play cuz you look while you know that that is that is my guy. Love Mary J Blige. I didn't love that no more drama being played there. But maybe that was just her song to send a message that that's the case then I'm with you married but as a fan, you may I will have one To hear for love, I want to hear just fine. I want to hear I can love you. There's a whole bunch of stuff I could hear for Myriad. I was like I was I was ready for that. And again, um, but the best thing of the day is that 50 cent has turned into $1.50 Ah that, listen, I can feel that shame because I'm trying to be positive myself something that's okay. It's whatever. Um, it was, it was unbelievable how much he grew, you know? I mean, hey, I know 50 Your Pocket grew to a big dog. I know. I feel the pockets got fatter. And so did you that that was that was that was amazing.

Craig D'Alessandro: 41:16

Wasn't he broke like five years ago.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 41:19

Yeah, and then power. Power changes. Like I'm in the band got three top shows on on TV.

Craig D'Alessandro: 41:25

Right. I think folks, I think it started with him when he did that boxing movie of Jake Gyllenhaal a couple years ago. Yeah, yeah. Is that um, Southpaw

Rayshawn Buchanan: 41:33

so let me listen. He let me he got around Floyd. I'm pretty sure that you know, regardless of what you think of Floyd outside the ring of the mass of marketing genius. So you know, he definitely learned from off of floatable how to how to remarket yourself and rebrand yourself. And that's what he did. The man has been nothing. He's been nothing but money. Literally and figuratively, since since since 2015 2016, so more pilots will. But yeah, I loved

Craig D'Alessandro: 41:57

it. I felt like Eminem's part was too short, but it had most impact.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 42:01

Agreed. Agreed. Yeah, yeah. Right. facts, facts. I'm glad that you I'm glad that you highlighted that.

Craig D'Alessandro: 42:07

Because when it happened, and I'm talking about the kneeling, I was like, All right, he's taking a knee, whatever. I didn't realize till afterwards, the NFL was like, Don't do it. Don't you do it? And he was like, I'm doing it.

Joe Malkin: 42:17

I'm not getting paid for this. So shove it. Even if he

Rayshawn Buchanan: 42:19

was like it, listen to me. Eminem's was one of the most influential artists we've had.

Joe Malkin: 42:25

Ever. Well. I mean, three, three of those guys on there are three of the most influential. I mean, dude, talk is littered with a generation. Dr. Dre is one of the best producers of all time. Eminem is is one of the best things ever to come out of Detroit. I mean,

Rayshawn Buchanan: 42:38

he I was I was shocked because you know, he's he's been refined on me still got I was shocked. He came out in the whole crip uniform. I was like, Oh, this is this is a little different. Oh, by the way, I know I told you this off the air Craig but whatever. I'm gonna give you the flowers on here. I thought that was a beautiful video to put together and it's accurate. When the DoorDash is coming already like that. They don't like doing a curveball phenomenal. Phenomenal. People were upset fucko but it was upset.

Joe Malkin: 43:08

Go check out our tic tock if you haven't had MTV show because

Craig D'Alessandro: 43:12

it's so nasty pod.

Joe Malkin: 43:16

I'm sorry. MTP pod en todos.

Craig D'Alessandro: 43:19

I made that Tik Tok just as like a DoorDash meme. And it ended up just exploding it I didn't watch it. I didn't like the halftime show. Why these guys out there? I was like, What are you doing? This is a DoorDash or GrubHub just like a meme. What are you doing?

Rayshawn Buchanan: 43:36

Oh, that's insane. But yeah, but that's that's social media for you. Right? And once again, it gets the people going crazy. So keep doing it, brother. It's cool. Keep keep listening. Keep on keep making the controversial. If you don't like it, don't forget to watch it. But Airbnb, keep doing it. Give a little bit Jackson the halls video. People love the Ben Robbins vegan video. Keep it coming.

Craig D'Alessandro: 44:00

I don't do these things like planned out. I mean, I kind of do. But when I put that Jackson, my home and Brittany got eliminated from the AFC Championship thing. I was like, Yeah, that was playing. I was like maybe 20 people see this, you know, 85,000 people saw it and liked it. I was like, Alright, fine. People really hate this couple. Not the couple by Big Brother people. They are they are a couple of people. Well, they might be we don't know. So anyway,

Joe Malkin: 44:25

I agree. I agree wholeheartedly on the halftime show. I thought it was outstanding, I still agree with with kind of the consensus that Prince was still the best. Coldplay has a soft spot and a soft spot in my heart because I was at that Super Bowl. But this was just it was it was really cool. Because, you know, Prince was before our time, Coldplay was kind of during our time, like they were a 90s thing. But we were kind of a little too young, then they kind of stayed relevant. They kind of still are. But these guys, this group, this group of artists have been relevant for a very long time. And they really, they changed the game in a lot of ways. Eminem, without a doubt change the game of hip hop in so many ways, mostly for the better. And, you know, the, I mean, they're all They're all great artists, and they are the music that we grew up on. It's what we used to listen to, on the way to school and then as we got older on the way to the bar, and it's just, you know, it's just it's, it's, it was cool to see and it was

Craig D'Alessandro: 45:25

times we got to the bar, we're just belted out regulators. Oh, all the time.

Joe Malkin: 45:29

I was really hoping may bring Warren geo because Nate Dogg, you know? Oh,

Rayshawn Buchanan: 45:34

I was. Okay, so I'm gonna I'm glad that you acknowledge that. Listen, what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna fill up our fill off the phone accounts if they're regulars be also set up some micro McDonogh for later Google 10 that sample appreciate you because you created one of the biggest hits of all time. Appreciate you brother. It also your hellobar is just up. But that oh my god article off the couch and that it happened because that I listened that that's all

Joe Malkin: 45:57

there is rap songs of all time.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 45:59

Yeah Listen, man, man and the fact that almost 30 years later, he's still eating off that song as a shirt. It was just phenomenal. He chose to go to producing route and that's fine. But, man, yeah, the only the only thing out in my opinion that was missing in my mind was maybe he just wasn't available. I just don't know how you do a West Coast thing you didn't evolve. I assume? I just I just I don't? I don't know. And I understand that, you know, you had a lot

Joe Malkin: 46:24

of you got a certain amount of time. I know. I

Rayshawn Buchanan: 46:27

know. The musical person to be able to say man, like you imagine like, at La La La by the blue board. Yay. Today was a good day like that that would have done would affect Tracy would have shut it down. Obviously. I mean, God bless her soul. If Nipsey Hussle was alive when it's all gone normal and the FBI does this so much. I could do all the 20 minutes on this alone. It would have been crazy. There's somebody where they could have went but either way they they produced it phenomenally. It's going to be hard to top whatever they do like next year. I know it's gonna be in Arizona so I don't know what they're gonna do out there. But yeah, they have they have a dancer big shoes to fill offernation Show unless you bring someone like Bruno Mars and like, you know the group he's doing like, he's all fire.

Joe Malkin: 47:13

He's on fortnight, not a sponsor. That's not a sponsor. But hey, listen, epic fortnight to you guys. You guys looking for a sponsor? You know, we're always open. So last thing about Yeah, let us think about the always looking for sponsors. We'll elaborate on that in a few minutes. So final thing before we before we get to the NBA, which we do want to touch on after the trade deadline and kind of this really rejuvenated Celtics team. You just mentioned that the Super Bowl next year is in Arizona, you know the last two years in a row we've had the home team the host basically play in their own stadium for the Super Bowl. Is Arizona good enough to get there next year? Or or is this what's going on this offseason? A little too much is gonna prevent them

Rayshawn Buchanan: 48:09

so if de haut is helped and they get a consistent running game and you know the defense continues to improve then yes I mean I think they will roll on they're well on their way to making a playoff run to share but they just ran into a juggernaut clearly could do that that's even of winning the Superbowl but yeah, they're definitely detail is definitely there like to say otherwise. I think to me would be kind of blasphemous and maybe even a bit premature. But Kyler Murray Guthrie is the real deal he just he also needs to stay healthy you know, but it's hard you know when you have that 595 10 frame you know he's just touching 200 pounds maybe on a good day soccer wet so yeah, he kind of has to be in that Russell Wilson mode to really be taken seriously I think and you know, he still has some he still have but he still has a leap to take in my opinion but it's just a matter of what was going into what's going to happen but yeah, I just I just think the reason why I talk to you about that in our in our pre show was just like I wonder your form is the narrative going to be back to what we talked about earlier in the show? Like you know our is it being fixed for the home team to get that you know, to get that you know, did that whole field or be there cuz it's like it's successful you know, tab boy and I just shake your head like I agree with you, but it's just like, to me I could once again people messaged me like oh, like Russia is first floor. Of course they want the whole team to win but it all he didn't want some sort of riot which I kind of believe Loki believes but up late because La La right for some other shit so I can only

Joe Malkin: 49:40

well what it's only for rain. What What have they ever rioted for? Yeah.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 49:46

Yeah, just just saying so I knew I kind of get that I just see where it would have went left Pat LA. They got blown out Listen, stuff would have been on fire. Yeah, that's a whole nother doesn't get the podcast, right. Um, but no, but I mean, like, I just I'm wondering, I posed that question, but I just think that maybe it's a trend and maybe the NFL doesn't want to go through but I can see if they're generating you know, more revenue from it and more ratings from it or whatever, you know, we'll see but like I trade I'm just for you, brother. So we listened to them. When you listen to this. When this comes out, bro. It was about the Randy's I said listen, Brady and mahomes are some of the Vert like Aaron Rodgers like double guys would have been in it because those guys are the people that people want to see. They want to see Brady lose. They want to see my husband lose. They didn't wasn't there. They got beat. It is what it is. It happens you can't get there every year. He got you know, you gotta be the hero you play long enough you play long enough to become the villain like it is It's just as simple as that. That's just what it is. But, you know, as I went off on a tangent, I'll come back to what you said. Oh, yeah, so order. Yes, Arizona is good enough, but they just have to be healthy to get there.

Joe Malkin: 50:53

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Craig D'Alessandro: 51:13

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Joe Malkin: 51:17

And that sounds amazing, because if I ever hit the links again, I haven't I haven't gotten so long.

Craig D'Alessandro: 51:25

Did to just like be a golfer. You know, fun. Did it for fun. Yeah,

Joe Malkin: 51:30

I did it for fun. You know, I liked it.

Craig D'Alessandro: 51:32

I've seen pictures of you hitting golf balls up in the ocean. Yeah,

Rayshawn Buchanan: 51:35

I gulped twice in my life when I was not intending to do like we want a mom she was like a big sister to me. Her name was Melissa. She would she would take me and my my best friend Joe Jones, who the Franklin Park golf course. Right? And we would Yeah, we were hit. I was awful. I'm hitting things into you know, I'm yelling for way after the fact she's like No, you guys say like I just sit there I'm like, Oh, well, I have no idea what's going on. So yeah, it was fun that I wish I took it seriously because of the fact that I can go around some of the golf club and go around the world and travel and just get money for placing I should say so I'm sorry Melissa. You I should have listened to you but at this younger because but I wouldn't have been here with MTP so it all worked out baby it all worked out anyway it it it comes back full circle because now I said you overall skill is navy so I'm trying to get my golf swing ready yard.

Joe Malkin: 52:27

Craig Craig Craig you can cut this part out if you want but Ray wait to perpetuate that stereotype. Go ahead Greg.

Craig D'Alessandro: 52:34

Yep. You know, and I can't even top that.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 52:39

Yeah that down. Yeah, no tie. Keep it keep that in. Oh, God.

Joe Malkin: 52:45

Anyway, right. I'm about to get into writing I'm about to get in a lot of trouble. No, no, a the the NBA trade deadline just passed. A lot of a lot of movement. A lot of movement. We we maybe thought there was going to be I think there was a a couple of trades that were a little surprising to me. Two of which were McCollum and Halliburton getting traded. You know, I think the the I think the Celtics made a few big moves. So let's talk about that. But what was the most what was the most surprising deal to you?

Rayshawn Buchanan: 53:17

Know, you said it man that that Indiana Sacramento trade so bonus is a bona fide stud and you can't see steps you know, I had already there Craig, do you know you know what, that's wrong, but I just I couldn't believe when I saw that when I saw that alert I said I said is Kevin Pritchard drunk but what is what is going on? Like why would you so bonus a turner. You pick mouse turnovers a bonus but whatever. I'm Sacramento also, what are you also drunk? Hashtag calibrator wanted to be a part of the tour around the Sacramento. No one's coming up there unless you're going to get a winery like that. That there's nothing out there in Sacramento. What are we doing? Once again if you listen to the show up there, we thank you listening but it just nothing out there besides winery and the alone and I'm once again I'm dating myself by saying this Fizbo love to call the awkward I think it's called golden one. But you know, there's something else out there besides that. So how Bernie has been a baller he actually I actually wanted them to drive. I wanted to sell to the Dragon Man 14 But he ended up getting picked that tall by Sacramento. We ended up getting nice with that 14 But you know so yeah, calibre has been has been awesome. But yeah, CJ going to New Orleans i i read with you. I think that was also a soccer I knew he was going to get delts I just didn't think it was going to be normally especially if you don't the uncertainty of Zion like he hasn't been playing. He hasn't played it just seems like he'd rather be on Bourbon Street than be in the smoothie Center, which I totally understand. As someone who's been out there a couple of times I totally understand why only the crawfish as delicious. Um, yeah, I mean you know, so I just to me, I was surprised by that for sure. But yeah, you know, we got to get into that Brooklyn Philly trade obviously when I dealt with that was a trade of the day we'll go right ahead. Yeah, we're getting to say yeah, so Jimmy James James James Harden going to Philly you know, I said as we're recording this, you know, his his new team is getting demolished by 40 You know, with our boss or something. So that's all that's all. That's always beautiful to see. You know, like I said earlier, death taxes and I've been in Philly is just something that we that we do. So those are things you could count on. I do think that this is one of the rare situations where both teams one I know on paper people are thinking that it was a you know, basically it was a finesse, like they're more got finesse, obviously when you get through starters, so when you get into segments, Seth Curry and RJ jumpin jumpin has kind of been passed around like a collection played at church last few years and it's been kind of rough but you know, he still gets you a double double when needed. He's got he's got insurance, you know, behind

Joe Malkin: 55:42

No debt collection and played always gets the money.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 55:46

Right right. Yeah. Yeah, he gets it he gets a spread. That's the damn story. You know he may get traded by February but he's gonna get his money so we'll definitely take that he's gonna do well there behind Claxton and and LaMarcus Aldridge but I personally think Simmons is going to be phenomenal and Brooklyn and I'm in the minority there, that's fine. I'll stand out die on the hill. Um, when you have to when you're the third option and I get it I know that car is only available for some of the games I get that but when you don't have to be worried about scoring, and you're just passing off the guys that want to shoot because we will carry because I want to pass the man wants to shoot because he can shoot the lights out. And we all know that's how that Kevin Durant is so they shouldn't foaming at the mouths with this addition and looking to get out there I just think that's awesome. And you know when you get someone like that just finished the floor like Steph Curry him and Patty mills out there should be a nightmare. Now they're going to get cooked defensively those two because they're not much bigger than you and I Joe height wise so they're going to be it's going to be opened it's going to be heightened season out there. defensively. They're gonna get they're gonna get killed in a lot of picker role, but it's gonna be hard to keep up with them offensively. Almost like exponet when they're healthy and invade. They got better defensively persimmons, regardless of what you think he is offensively demand is all that defensively and more. So, um, I think it's a win win. But I'm excited to see how it unfolds for both sides.

Joe Malkin: 57:10

I think it's a great trade for James Harden. I think Brooklyn is going to be more of the same. Because I think Ben Simmons is a baby Kyrie and I think he's going to continue to do what he did in Philly and not and not play and bitch and moan and and not not want to get on the court because he's not getting his way. I mean, you look at Kyrie you look at you look at Kyrie KD and James Harden, they played in 16 games together didn't what two seasons, they're together, season and a half. I mean, that's, you know, you try and put that together. And I don't want to say I called it but I called it. You know that that's just, it's just the wrong big three and Kyrie and I've said this so many times Kyrie Irving is not Lebron James. He's not he's not LeBron James, he held never be LeBron James, they'll never be able to put a team together like that, because he's just, he's nuts in in some good ways, in a lot of bad ways. He's just, he doesn't understand how to put it together. And he can't get past his own things to to get on the court and want to succeed at at his job. And that's, that's fine. You know, what if you want to ride the coattails of having an incredible career leading up to the NBA, and then having a great start to your career and being a huge part of a Cleveland championship, I mean, they probably don't win it without you. And you want to ride that into the sunset and just, you know, that's, that's your career, and you just want to make money other ways. And that's why you wanted to be in New York. Fine, that's fine. But just tell us that just tell us if that's what you want. And you don't actually want to play, but I see Ben Simmons. I mean, we saw it, you know, no one is happier that Ben Simmons is gone, then dwell and beat. And we saw that on Twitter the night that he was traded. And, and I was absolutely, Larry. You know what, I love Joellen bead because of that, because it's like, you know what, this guy was holding our team back and hold me back and see you later. Good. Bye. And I think that was that was fine. And you know what I think James Harden was the least of the issues in Brooklyn, he was the one that got on the court the most. And he was the one that attempted to play the most. And, you know, when he was in Houston, still in kind of getting fat, and he kind of just was, you know, wanted his way out of there. And then all of a sudden was ripped. In a week and a half playing for Brooklyn. It's like I get it you get complacent people get complacent other jobs and they want to change and sometimes, especially in the sports world, it's not as easy as you know, Ray, you leaving your day job and going to find another one or me or Craig it's not as easy for for them to do and isn't this for us. It's just the way the world of professional sports works. As as a professional athlete, I think Philly ends up winning this train. I think I in fact, I think this is a steal because they got rid of a lot of money and a lot of issues and brought in a guy that probably won't be there at the end of the year. You know, he's a rental he's he's gonna come in I don't I don't know how long the contract.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:00:25

I think he besides that, I'll tell you why. And that's

Joe Malkin: 1:00:28

fine. If they do. That's why I've gone like that's why when your

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:00:32

numbers you'll say you'll say I understand right? He at the end of the year well, it's not it's not the sheer thing of the following year so he can authentic I think he was One of the guys that got the new deals that when they when MBA money went up around 2017. So he, he could opted for 45 this year. I mean, sorry not to say like, though, for 20 to 23, then that as a free agent that next year and 23, he could sign a five year deal for 270. Here's your stay. And go into it.

Joe Malkin: 1:01:05

This is why I think Philly is gonna win this deal because you have a Joellen bead who who is he's, for all intents and purposes, correct me if I'm wrong. He's a top 10 player in the NBA. Oh, yeah, right

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:01:18

right now? Absolutely. Absolutely.

Joe Malkin: 1:01:20

So So harden doesn't have to go there and be the guy which we already know. He doesn't necessarily want to be the guy but he wants to be a guy. But he was being even though he played the most he was still being overshadowed by KD and Kyrie in Brooklyn. So he's gonna go to Philly. He's gonna have Joellen bead, basically run the show, and he's just gonna be a part of it. And again, gonna make his money and he's gonna play basketball. And I you know what, I just want I really hope I'm right about because of those three guys in Brooklyn. I mean, Katie use it in other worldly talent. You know, James Harden and Kyrie Irving are two of the best players in the league. I think just consistency wise, James Harden is the best one because he he plays he's on the court. You can you can see the, you know, availability. One of the biggest things in sports is availability. And he's available like any flights. So I think that's why why they won this trade on onto another big team. Speaking of Lebron James. LeBron basically came out and said, this isn't the Lakers year, it's the first time in his career. I think we've ever heard him say this. You know, he's been in the league since 2003. And he has said, it's not our year basically, la didn't make any moves. And Anthony Davis might be a problem. So why it first of all, let's start with La not making any moves. Why did they? Why did they Danny Ainge, this trade deadline?

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:02:46

Ah, that's that's a good way to dub it. They pointed out and that's exactly what happened. Right? I just think they didn't have much symbol. They hyped up Taylor Horton Tucker, like he was a second coming on Michael Cooper or James worthy, you know, we're just some liquid grapes. And that's not the case. He's a he's a decent piece. But he's not someone that was going to be a difference maker for another team right now. Not right now. Maybe a few years, but not not at this point in his career. So you know, what you can only offer tilahun and Tucker and a 2027 first round pick that no one cares about right now. So far down the road, it was gonna be hard. And if I could go a little bit deeper, I don't think people want to be the team or organization that helped LeBron get his fifth ring. That's what that's what it is. When you it's it's hard. It's hard to be painted and it's like you know, you think okay, well so Brian you know he's used to Jimmy's making moves is this is that you know, people become resentful and they they won't say it but they they act they act like you're right so he's you know, I don't think they hear that he wanted um, Russ to stay I know that that's what he eventually you know he is he initially wanted was him for him to come to LA but you know that it clearly has not been the fifth day in vision and that's okay like we find that it just happens but because Ross makes so much money I just think it was gonna be hard to move them and send me although I don't wait jaw wall um I think John Wall would have been a better fit right now

Joe Malkin: 1:04:17

we're gonna wall has less to lose right yeah

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:04:19

that too but I can't I can't move guys he will come out of my mouth so my friend and listen to the Social Blade oh my god that you gave John ball credit on myself I'm so proud I'm so I'm gonna tell credit start definitely tape but I hit

Joe Malkin: 1:04:32

play every player you're taking Russell Westbrook over overdrawn

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:04:35

yeah but but right now because of how much he's you know he's digress Oh, he's not

Joe Malkin: 1:04:40

running your money invest money in fit with the team. I think John Wall was the better you know, look, this is kind of the quote unquote Big Three Wheeler Braun has failed him. Rawson ad. I mean, I did. This is one where it's failed. And that's fine. It's not it's not gonna hit every time. You know, you can't have whoever who was the the guy that I learned from Cleveland, the bold center there. If God says no, God, yes, yeah, it's true. So gaskets, you know, not it can be true. So gaskets, you know, they're just sometimes not a good fit, and I just wanted to drop his name. But yeah, I just, I just don't think we welded all stock. I just don't think it's a good fit. I agree with him. And you know what, it may be crazy. But sometimes it's like, it's like when I said I didn't think that I thought that. That obj was gonna blow up the Rams, Lago obj just got a rink because everything was perfect. And all the things around him were perfect. They were winning and things were going his way and he was getting paid and it's like, yep, of course he's gonna shut his mouth and go play because Everything's going the way it should. So I think if things were a little bit different and it may not have been I was wrong in this vacuum. And, and I think that that it's kind of the same thing here is that a guy like John Wall would have been a better fit, because he makes less money, he's got less to lose. And he probably wants a ring. I'm not saying Westbrook doesn't, but

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:06:04

so what Westbrook wasn't too bad. And that's not that sounds weird. So it restarted and Okay, so you absolutely yes, it sounds like he but it's like the same thing. It's hard to like, how many how many great teammates can you get though? Like that this will Russell rush you that you had good G hard KD. Now you were brought an ad? Like how many? How many teammates? Do you get that? You know, we had James twice, you know, say personally, personally, and I think I said this on the show. I want it Ross to get triggered for Kyrie so badly. I was like I said just this should be. That's this is the way it has to end it has to end with

Joe Malkin: 1:06:42

hiring would never play with Lebron again.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:06:44

Right? Oh, right. No, no, I know. But I'm saying but I just anyway, wherever they do at the trade fight, whatever. They're that's all that but I just wanted. It was it was gonna be the perfect ending. Russ Hardy and Katie get the ring together. They should have gotten 10 years ago, and it was going to be in the garage. It'd be perfect, in my opinion, but it just didn't work. It didn't work out that way. But a speaker something that's working, you know, we could do a segway. The Boston Celtics made a couple of trades on on Thursday as well.

Joe Malkin: 1:07:17

All of a sudden, that likable again, after I had to listen to you, Bobby and Dave, mostly, you know, Mike would chime in from time to time, Craig and I would kind of throw in our little memes and jokes because it was funny that they were kind of failing miserably. And then we got gathered laughing at us. That's okay. We're all laughing at you guys. And now they make these trades and it's like, they're fun again. And it's like, Alright, can Captain consistency. Like let's, let's give it a little bit of time. You know what I showed you in the in the pre in the pre show? What? What Brad Stevens has done at this trade deadline is exactly what we asked Danny to do and other trade deadlines and it wasn't to go out and build a championship team it was to go out and build a team of guys that that want to be there and want to play the game. I mean, bring it do you think and I'll put this to this question because I think this is an interesting point of view. But do you think Brad bringing back Daniel Tice is a slap in the face to Danny Ainge?

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:08:19

It could be Yeah, I don't I don't think that lets me know that he never wanted to leave.

Joe Malkin: 1:08:24

i There's a lot of guys that he's bringing back. I mean, Orford, Orford, he brought back Horford, like we're, we're overlooking these things that like, Danny is Danny got rid of guys and Brad's. And we talked about this power struggle before this whole this whole thing switched up in the front office and with me, but you know, we're we look at this team and it's like this this is this is what we wanted. This is what Brad wanted it was there really that much of a power struggle that Danny just what trader Danny was just going out and trading these guys away to spite Brad Stevens. So no, Brad has to bring back and Al Horford and, and Daniel ties.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:09:03

I think I think Brad values team camaraderie over anything else. I think I think what happened is, you know, dandy Danny Ainge has ever because he played with bird you play with McHale with Paris played with we played with Charles Barkley as well, right played with Clyde Drexler and Bob Williams and Terry Porter. Like he played with so many great players, that he's like, look, fuck, fuck the eighth, ninth 10th and 11th guy, if I could get these stones to play, how they supposed to play it, get stars that come in on a team and just just play and we just we just demolish everybody that he was a part of somebody 61 teams, I think he's thought that way from like, so you got to get the stars to win, which that that there's truth to that. But you have to make sure that the team is balanced out there. It's not top heavy, or that you don't have enough star power like it was here at times, you know, and rationing was every you know,

Joe Malkin: 1:10:01

and it failed miserably every time we went and did it. It failed with Kyrie it failed with Gordon Hayward. Now granted, I think I think Brad had a lot to do with the Gordon Hayward move, obviously. You know, but it didn't work. I

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:10:13

thought he was coming back to honestly, I'm not I'm not realizing

Joe Malkin: 1:10:17

that. He might I mean, you know, maybe that was something. I don't know. Maybe Maybe him going to Charlotte instead of Indiana when it happened when we were talking about it. Maybe that's this is all part of a bigger plan. Who knows. I mean, it could be he's just down there kind of stewing for a little while now. I mean, if he's healthy and he's playing, I think he's fine. But you know, like, like, I just kind of interlude it There, it's the bridge he's bringing, you know, we all call them bridges, and everybody called him the bridges. And it's a bridge here. But maybe that's just not Brad Stevens his style, because it's not. I mean, look, he comes to the mid major in Butler and brought him to the final for two years. I mean, this guy is no slouch. And and, and I think at first we all thought and granted, we're halfway through his first season as an executive with an NBA team. So I don't want to go jumping off the deep end here. But I think we've already misjudged Brad Stevens his front office prowess, I think he has some an eye. He's now granted he's just putting his team back together that he had when he was coaching here, but I think he may clearly he can coach this type of a team. I think it's teams that he's used to coaching and has coached in the past. And I think that's a great part of these trades that were made and bring these guys back and bringing in the pieces that they didn't I and it's interesting because everybody seems happy with the consensus is that this this was good before they even got back out on the court and started playing as well as they have and they are like I think it's just it's been it's been an over resounding positive from the fan base. And that's that's a that's a good thing.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:11:57

Well, because he hasn't been afraid to make some moves right now. I remember a gentleman I can portray happened and then right on the air, like but maybe like a day or two after I was shocked that chemistry without because I felt that Kemba was loving a locker man and he was right. It's not like, you know, employers made that known when he right Yeah, exactly. No, that's I'm saying but I also I was shocked that it happened for me. So I was okay, like, you traded the pic. And what I what I also loved about him, too, he's not really concerned about the draft picks. It's like, oh, yo, tell you, which is where we became and Danny was like, holding on Sam, hold on, hold on, hold on. It's like bro, like, you're you're a hoarder of graphics. It's like, Yo, that's not going to there's nobody in the draft in the mid to late first round that was gonna help us win the championship like and that's what it leads me to do this dirty white tree. Now. They're great. They're white is not the superstar player, you know, but he is someone that can get you Fitzy tonight, which is hard to do in the NBA. Laconia was at like 15 a night or above but it's hard to do. The transitions really been seamless the last few games as that currently. Yep, almost 50 against Philadelphia right now. Um, he's someone that fits what they need to do. Like he's he's a quick decision maker. And you know, I told you before the show that I have some analogies and I have I have to write I think Brad looked at this team kind of like the 2014 2015 Celtics right now. Just he was more talented than 2040 15 team but they were playing better and brass second year but they needed a jolt they needed something that was going to get them maybe a quick boost. So what does Danny do? Trades trades a first round pick to Phoenix because he there's little guy named Isaiah Thomas right? Where you said man, you know gets 21 in this first game off the bench against the Los Angeles Lakers that's like oh, wait a minute this this guy can can't play guess it's the starting lineup. They go from the playoffs and making the semplici they lose the Cleveland the first round, but it's like oh wait, they made the playoffs. Okay, wow, it comes back next year it becomes an all star for the first time you're 22 a game of six assess or whatever say Oh, okay looser linen the first one with the next limit the converse final so that that's kind of what that Derrick white tree remind me was okay, and giving them a quick job seemed like okay, I'm not punting on the season. I'm gonna see what we can do. So make dua what you have another thing is that this is probably premature but I think this is what they maybe have in mind especially they end up getting at least at least almost finals maybe the finals this could it be in Orlando Cabrera type deal. Right, little bro, was it a guy that was out of this world? I mean, you gotta go see these remarks, y'all. You know, we're inviting my Guerrero and the crew but you know, when he got to Boston, like okay, I can see what you do and then play great defense, you know, had had a couple of game winning hits, I think in in that and and now for running. So it's just a little slight moves that make you good enough to feel good enough to great, right. He complements Tatum and Brown really, really well. And we're seeing that already. Once again, their chemistry was starting to improve before the trade but to get this guy here, you know, he was comfortable with him because he coached him in soccer in Sacramento that Sumi Tonio season. Yes. And Antonio, I'm saying they went well Hardy so you know there was there was some continuity there was some there was some chemistry there and I think you know, he wants to play the right way so um, they needed they needed a secondary plate maker besides marker smart and now that they had that and they finally healthy which is the biggest thing forget about the like the Telus binder but now they're healthy. They're they're running through teams pretty consistently. It hasn't been close, like, there are 51 right now. Or Philly 51 As we recorded the show on a Tuesday, like they're there they are right through it even smacking people left and right. Um, and I'm like, wow, they're really about to build a bagging mystery. If you had told me that a month ago, I would have, we all would have laughed hysterically, you know, crate crate where we're partnered with afford to do like, these guys have a podcast like, yeah, okay, you know, and I'm like, you know, and they wouldn't be right would have been drunk out of our mind to say, Yeah, needless to say, the transition was seamless for him. I'm proud that Brad is a as a GM as being more aggressive than he was at times as a coach. So it seems, and yeah, but now, you know, we'll see what he does in the offseason. You know, what are you looking to bring? You know, you got another you got another trading session now, because you've got rid of Josh Ferguson and Romeo so why don't they they can't they can't they can't argue they can't combine those two. I think that'd be around 15 million they do but although they can go by and have those two they can that'd be great to you that can come that kind of change. So you can bring in to Boston but yeah, I mean, he he's he's improved he makes improved as a coach as well. I want to say that publicly because I said he should go back to just rocker Whitney alone. And you know, I was I was I was a bit emotional early on. But you know, he's he's starting to find his bearings as well. Once again, he's out. He's not out of the woodwork with me yet. But I am pleased with some of the rotations he's done lately. And yeah, it seems that his staff is there, especially defensively, this team defense, you're not scoring against this team. They just have to figure out the offense. So once the office is figured out, really the sky's the limit. We're

Joe Malkin: 1:17:08

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