Boston Celtics Offseason Preview with Josue Pavón from Heavy.com and CLSN Media

Rayshawn Buchanan: 0:24

Hello and welcome to missing the point I am your host Sean McCann and with my guys the real BK Bob Kelly. Money Mike Magic Mike Mike Angelo and our executive producer, Craig D'Alessandro. So today we are bringing back someone that, you know, we had to have sex therapy with him in the past. We had to have to have some Celtic's therapy tonight You can hear him on the locker oom. He's a writer for heavy. om. And he is the co host of the Cedric Maxwell podcast, y man, Josue Pavon Welcome ba k, man. How you doing?

Josue Pavon: 0:54

appreciate it, guys. Appreciate it. Thanks for thanks for bringing me back, man. There's a lot to discuss. Right. Crazy week.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:01

Crazy, crazy week crazy year. Like I think we were somewhat optimistic. I think when we well, I won't say as optimistic as we were talking to you during the before, right before the draft and they had just lost a Miami and, you know, we had a lot of questions. You know, eight months later, we still have a lot of questions. So you know what? Yeah, so we're gonna use it as a therapy session. So, um, so you know, last time, you know, we spoke I spoke to you last week, man. And, you know, we, we talked today that the news came down that Danny Ainge is, you know, now stepping down and Brad Stevens is now going into that role as the president of basketball operations. So, you know, we'll get right into it, man. So Danny Ainge leaving, make it easier for someone like Brad Stevens, since I'm making deals throughout the teams in the NBA.

Josue Pavon: 1:47

Um, I mean, I guess so I guess it makes it easier for him. Because, you know, if you ask me, I think Brad even had a lot to say in the decisions that Danny made. But this offseason could be the outlier. You know, we're not quite sure how Brad Stevens felt about the signing of Jeff Teague and Kristin Thompson, and, you know, moves that could have happened during last summer. That didn't happen. I mean, we're not quite sure. So obviously, Brad's now in a position to you know, mold this roster in the best way he sees fit, which I think it's a good thing. You know, I really do. I, I was shocked and surprised more about him. I think it was more shocked about brass envisioning brass demons not coaching. I just thought that was really odd, you know, for him to be in this position. But it makes sense for this organization. I think his his contract extension last year has a lot to do with this. I mean, to be frank, if you're a business man, you know, running an organization, I mean, the thing is twofold. Right? You know, obviously to go out and get a new GM is gonna cost them quite a bit and to lead brass even go, and, you know, risk him coaching another team, I just don't think that others are in a position to do that. They're like, man, we got this guy a lot. We see his vision, we appreciate his knowledge, but we're not quite sure at this locker room is going to listen to him next year. And that's absolutely understandable. You know, the reason why I bring up the contract extension is because I think it does play a part here. But at the same time, Brad Stevens, I mean, who's better to find out or at least tried to try his best to give these guys what they need? And the coach that was in that locker room, the last seven seasons, you know, so I do think that that's significant as well. You know, does he have a lot of experience in this position? No, absolutely not. But I, I trust his expertise in the sense of, of evaluating talent coming in, obviously, he has a collegiate background, which plays a big part in this. And I think that he can get to the root of what this team needs to be successful. And I think a lot of that has to do with guys like Jayson Tatum and Jaylen brown obviously, right? I mean, I think those two all stars, they have to have a say in the direction that this team is going in. And I think Brad Stevens is the kind of GM or was going to be the kind of, you know, president of basketball operations, who's going to use those guys as the proper resources. I mean, he has to they have to go into this new era of something's basketball with those guys, obviously, one at the forefront, but two on the same exact page as to what's going to make this team better. And of course, what's going to make them better players moving forward? Not quite sure. And we talked about this a little bit. Not quite sure. Like those two Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown. I mean, obviously, they've proven that they can be, you know, successful in their own right, but how are they going to make this team successful? How are they going to make this team hold? I think that's a lot of what Brad Stevens can help, you know, throughout this summer, and of course, moving forward into this new era.

Rob Kelly: 4:19

And then I got to ask you something. Based off something you said a little bit ago, when you were talking about how no one talked about game five, you know what I mean? Like, as soon as the news came out, it was like game five didn't even happen. Do you think the timing of that, that the had to have been on purpose, right? I mean, obviously, yeah. They already had a bad taste in their mouth from the season. Doing that at that time. And then having a just like, like you said, is like that series never even happened. Do you think that's something that they planned out going? You know, they said they had this plan for weeks? Is that something that they were like, okay, we need to get this going as soon as the season's over. So we get the entire fan base looking forward, instead of back at this show?

Josue Pavon: 5:01

I think absolutely. I think that's true. I don't think this was a swift decision when they thought that, you know, Danny, you know, needs to be removed and that they they're going to come to an agreement, you know, make it sound like they wasn't fired. I think this is genuinely when JD says that this is something that was on his mind. I mean, shit, he hinted at it on 95, you know, but one of the last weeks of the regular season where he admitted to thinking about it, I mean, when someone admits something like that, that means that that's coming soon, I thought It was gonna come within the next summer. But obviously, that wasn't the case. So I think this is something that they had pre planned. They wanted to get it out there as soon as they were eliminated. And I think that was the right thing to do, you know, for Brad Stevens to get to work here, so to speak, and try to find a head coach is a big, big task, a tall task, rather. And I don't, you know, I know he just finished his round of interviews from, you know, guys from within the the organization, internal, but I wouldn't, I would really like to see them, you know, look outside. And that doesn't necessarily mean that, you know, what Brad Stevens was doing didn't quite work, I just think that I do think Brett's gonna have a lot to say with, with a, you know, the direction of this team goes in, but also think that the head coach is crucial as well. So you know, you have to make sure it's someone that these guys truly believe in. And again, I do believe that, you know, Tatum and brown should have some say in that decision. I'm not saying that you have to listen to them. But you have that let them in in on those conversations. Never has to be open and upfront as to what exactly went wrong last year, you know, outside of COVID-19 protocol, health and safety protocol, and of course, the slew of injuries that rattled the entire roster.

Michael Marcangelo: 6:27

I mean, I saw I was gonna say this for later but given what you just said about the head coaching vacancy, right. I think that this is like the most intriguing they can see and the most intriguing, like crop of candidates that we've seen in probably like the last, you know, five years or so. So what are the odds that Brad's select someone like a like a Kara Lawson or a Becky Hammon for this role? Or even like I get like a Sam Cosell or do you think he stays internal?

Josue Pavon: 6:55

I think there's a good chance it will kill look outside. Again. I just think another voice in this locker room could really go a long way with these guys. And not to say that, you know, Jay Larranaga and Jerome Allen are exactly like Brad Stevens, but their voice that they've they've heard a lot throughout that locker room and maybe I'm wrong. Maybe one of those guys is someone that stands out and that team truly believes it. But I also think that they could go you know, radical with this one or rather progressive with this one, you know, I wouldn't shock me if they hire a female coach. I mean Becky Hammonds another candidate I mean to your point there Yeah, absolutely. I can't remember the last time we saw not only one but two female candidates that are legitimately you know being discussed as top candidates for that position. I think a lot of that has to do with with obviously Becky's background but in terms of Kara Lawson it has to do with what the the impact you made she made on this team you know, you know this team a lot of players were in tears when she left when she accepted the Duke position and obviously it's a huge job you know, great spot for her to head into you know, NC double A and the you know, women's basketball team but I really wish she stayed in that bubble you know, you know for selfish purposes. I mean, I just think that maybe this could have been more of the writing on the wall I'm gonna say that people gonna be always gonna everyone expect the best teams to get fired but I just think that a little time that she spent with the team went a long way and to see that emotion come from these players guys like Marcus smart Jaylen brown you know that says a lot you know, I always I give them a hard time maybe not mark is but more more to Jaylen and Tatum about you know, showing attitude to show more emotion and and you know, to see that strong of an emotion to see these guys get emotional for her for her to leave them I thought I thought that spoke volumes so I think she does have a legitimate chance. And I also think that that that for this team wouldn't surprise me because I just think that one this is a younger squad obviously one of the youngest teams, it's not the youngest team in the NBA so I think it's another generation thing where I think they're able to move to look past the gender you know, aspect of this thing. I think guys like Jaylen and, and Marcus smart and Jayson Tatum. I don't I don't think that they're, you know, I'm not I think that's a legitimate concern for some teams, but not this. Okay, I guess that's what I'm trying to say. And what I mean by that is managing strong personalities. I'm not quite sure there's a team but there's a player on this team that I think is too strong for you know, because that could be you know, abrasive or, you know, it could there could be some sort of friction and not because she's a female but because of her her experience now that could also you know, be tough for her and her chances of getting the job but again, what she's done with the team I think it goes a long ways I do think she's legitimate candidate and also someone like Sam Cosell and Chauncey Billups former players I think would be great, you know, Tatum and brown guys who came into this league, and let's face it, they were in very successful situations. You know, they haven't missed the postseason, regardless of what role they were in. They've been thrusted into postseason basketball since the very beginning. That wasn't the case with Chauncey Billups Jhansi bill is really was the underdog coming out, you know, of coming into the NBA traded halfway through Of course, he was from the Boston Celtics had to really make make a name for himself, when it may stop in Denver before eventually getting to Detroit and finding that role. And let's talk about the Detroit Pistons. I mean, that team talk about a team everyone knew their role. Everyone knew that it took a full effort night in and night out to beat for future Hall of Famers in the Los Angeles Lakers. Man, that was one heck of an upset in the NBA Finals signing up for that guy, because I think he had a lot to say that could really resonate with these guys. And of course, not only does he have the basketball resume, but he also has been assistant coach for quite some time. So Chauncey Billups is more than ready to make that step and become a head coach in the NBA for sure. Sorry, I got a lot to say, man. Just a lot going on. Now, man, listen.

Rob Kelly: 10:38

Listen it out. Not only are we all for it, but I'm gonna make you talk even more because I'm asking questions based off that. So I got I got honestly like a three tier question for you. So you talk a lot about Tatum and brown. These guys are gonna have a say I completely agree. I think especially Tatum has earned that and I think he showed that he is the future of this franchise. There's no doubt about it anymore.

Josue Pavon: 10:59

Absolutely. He went up and he went up another notch in that in that playoff series. Just just want to say that real quick, like, that's, that's the one silver lining. That's the ones you know, for self expandable, okay. He went toe to toe with.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 11:12

Yes, thank you for saying that. Thank you.

Josue Pavon: 11:15

Thank you. Like that's

Rob Kelly: 11:17

it out of all the season. The one thing I'm gonna remember is that Kevin is that Jayson Tatum went head to head with Kevin Durant and beat him and beat him. So cool. So So based off of that, Tatum and Brown, who do you think they want? I know you're around them a lot. are like you've talked to them before so like just based off their feelings. Who do you think they want? Second? Who do you think is the best qualified and who do you think is gonna get it?

Josue Pavon: 11:48

Oh, man, put me on the spot on the spot man. Um, you know what I see I want to say jaunty you know, I you can tell us that's my favorite Carol Lawson's up there too, as well. Those are my two favorites out of this first, I don't know, batch, you know, of potential coaches, consultants. But I'm gonna I'm gonna get the edge of Chauncey just because again, I mean, I think I think organization. You know, can you book a sell in there as well. But more Chauncey right. I just did the organization. They understand how significant that is. His his basketball background, his resume, and I think these guys know as well. I mean, Jayson Tatum always say to him, like an old soul, man. I mean, it doesn't surprise me that this guy's not even 25 years old, you know, and he grew up, you know, idolizing Kobe Bryant, you know, I wouldn't shock me if you've seen a good chunk of Detroit basketball, maybe at a very young age, but I'm sure he's gone back and done his homework. And, again, I just think it's a great match. So I'm going to say that these guys guys like Tatum and brown, they're going to want to form a player. I don't know Chauncey is going to be the first name out of their mouths. But I definitely think that that's a good fit for this organization, or at least, how they want to proceed with these guys, of course, leading the way. And you know, Kara Lawson, also is in the mix as well. But just because of I mean, you got guys like, Jason Kidd obviously has has had a chance. You we saw Brooklyn Nets there with Steve Nash. I mean, let's face it, these guys pretty much can't pick their head coach. So I think a little bit of that as a reason why, you know, if I had to predict it, they would go in that direction, not because they want to copy the Brooklyn Nets. But I just think that we've we've seen it happen. And I think those voices, they really resonate with the with these younger with this younger generation for sure.

Michael Marcangelo: 13:36

Can I ask a question, and we can cut this out in post? If it's not if it's not a good one? Or if you don't want to answer but like, why, like you mentioned, you mentioned Jason Kidd. Right. And he's had a lot of of coaching interviews, like with Portland, because of what's happened in his past. Why would that prevent him from getting a new job while he's still gainfully employed?

Josue Pavon: 13:59

Um, well, what do you mean, if I'm not mistaken, he just, he just threw it out there that he had no interest in the Portland Portland Trailblazers job?

Michael Marcangelo: 14:07

Well, no, there were a ton of articles that came out last couple of days and saying that his that his past his domestic violence past is what's canceled him from from from these vacancies. Now, if that's not true, then we can strike this in the record book. But I was just curious, like, why would that? Obviously, why would that? Why would that keep him from a new coaching job while he's still actively employed by the NBA?

Josue Pavon: 14:30

And you know, you bring up a really good point, honestly, because that was something that obviously crossed my mind when he was starting to get those assistant coaching positions. And no one really brought it up. And I guess it's like, is that the top of the line for him? Because I don't think that's right, to be honest, that'd be one way or the other, you know, right. Really good point. You bring up, you know, if you either you're an assistant, you know, either you're coaching in the NBA or you're not. So if that's the case, I don't think that's fair for the Portland Trailblazers, you know, the way I saw it was, I thought he was trying to get, you know, trying to try to get it out there before they even, you know, the call to him before he's even a candidate. But, you know, maybe that has something to do with it. Obviously, it's something that's been brought up. I mean, there's some reporters in Boston that soon as his name was brought up as a potential candidate. That was what they said, and I know I'm not just talking about things I'm talking about, you know, members in the media, so I do think that's going to, that's not going to bode well for his chances. But honestly, I'm just not crazy about Jason Kidd coach. Yeah, like I don't. I don't think he's the one. I mean, I. Yeah, I'm not crazy, but I don't think that's the voice that they need. So

Rayshawn Buchanan: 15:34

I gotta be honest. Right? So obviously I'm a big game guy me and Bobby both are big game guys. And that meant that we could have god damn Hey, bring him one if you want to find him after the all star break that brought Damian and his name time I'm here for it.

Josue Pavon: 15:50

Yeah but if Dame if Dave doesn't want to go and then you stuck with Jason Kidd man that's

Rayshawn Buchanan: 15:57

that's that's true but but he's no facts but he didn't say I used he's I would want to hear as a coach. So that's the case. Cool. Come on come on down number five come on down. You did enough of beating us in the postseason back in the day. Come on down, bring us over, bring it bring the game over here. You know bracket Having said that, we have to say you know what, Jason? We thought, you know, just kidding, so to speak, right? But we're gonna we're gonna let you know, it's cool. We're just, I just need Dain here and green. That's what I'm here for. Because that kemba Walker error is good. It's got it's got to go in a worst case where it's all it's all for ladies and gentlemen is over.

Josue Pavon: 16:37

Yeah, but yeah, you you know, from the moment Dana says I want to be treated, there's going to be 17 teams behind the self is what their best option. So you know, Jaylen Brown is gonna have to headline that deal.

Rob Kelly: 16:50

Yeah,

Josue Pavon: 16:51

that's the thing. That's the thing. I mean, if you're willing to make that to make that move, if you you know, if Celtics fans if they're okay with that, I mean, then that's a whole nother different conversation. But the I just don't think realistically, we're going to see a big three with them with game load, because it's going to be at least a handful of teams that can top that offer. Well, who's the best player so I'm just sending over you know, Canva you know, maybe assign a tray would have been four named Marcus Mars or whatever,

Rayshawn Buchanan: 17:16

whatever. Whatever they want is like probably

Josue Pavon: 17:18

gonna be like, Yo, what else you guys got? You see your wallet? Man. We're in tears. Right now. We're saying our goodbyes to this dude.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 17:25

Listen, whatever they want. Listen to your stuff's already gone. Let's see Jay gonna be going to see Django like Django video much longer like that. Listen, that that team has been together for nine to 10 years, and they have not done anything. It's time to blow it on. Okay. And once again, I know I know, Dame sign that for your deal for 191 a couple years ago, I get that it's gonna be hard to move. But listen, he's not he's not he's not going. He's not going to. He's not going to the Knicks. Um, I mean, I know I'm sure LeBron can say Hey, man, you know, I use the Space Jam but comes from row Space Jam on La I get it. But that's not. That doesn't mean that's gonna that's necessarily going to happen. I'm just saying. Listen, man, if they want my niece and nephew like whoever they want. were dropping off at Logan. I'll be right there. With my watch that I got. I got a pair of damn shoes in my arm in my closet. So I'm at the crib. So Damn, listen, if you ever hear this brother, I'm all in on you coming here to Boston. Like I think he'd be great. Like I'm I'm on the kind of loving, loving personality. You know, but I mean, listen, man. I mean, so, since you brought about Jaylen Brown, you know Celtics fans happy about that one because we didn't we haven't talked to you obviously since October. But what would you have been happy of Jaylen brown guy mood for James Harden. Cuz there's some people on the on this panel that didn't want to so so No,

Josue Pavon: 18:42

no, no, no, absolutely not. See what people are is easy to forget when you watch what the Brooklyn Nets are doing or what they did throughout the course of the regular season. Is that you gotta motivated James Harden. Right. I mean, let's he looks to his left. He's got Kevin Durant. He looks to his right, is Kyrie Irving. He's got. He's that was it. 18 assists against the Celtics in one of those games. That's lightwork man, that's nothing to him that like that's a motivated James Harden. If that hardens face any kind of adversity in Boston? I don't know if you get the same effect. You know, I don't get I don't get the same result. You may get Houston Rockets 2020. James Harden. You know, James Harden. You know what, man, I'm gonna go down to Prague. It was at Providence, Providence. I'll check y'all later. See, if that happens. You guys would be like, you know, not just you everyone would be like, what? a colossal mistake. Why did they say for this freaking loser, you know what I mean? Like, listen, maybe maybe that doesn't happen. Maybe it doesn't. But you mean you mean to tell me? You mean to tell me there's no, there's no risk of that. Right?

Rayshawn Buchanan: 19:49

But it usually is but my thing is what we've been saying. And this friends that want change here like Uber say, oh, fire the coach or fire again. Okay, so Okay, that's happening. Now Dan is gone. Brad's moves off to the coaching but it's like, yo, maybe the roster is currently constructed is not working either. Um, this is like the best. The best roster we have is that 2017 2018 team. Like that's something that's not debatable. Even though the most fun team was the year before in 2016 2017, you know, the year that you know, um, you know, lost a sister and maybe you know, yeah, yeah, hey, man day they still got sort of commerce finals. So I mean, say what, you know, but you know, But yeah, that

Josue Pavon: 20:25

was the kind of game season. That was the last time a Celtics player averaged 49 points, man, that was crazy.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 20:31

Crazy. Unbelievable there. Yeah. Top five new people. So yeah, man. I don't know. I mean, but I mean, I get it. I said, I mean, Mike Mike was smiling as you were saying that notre James article he he's been saying no to James Harden since when the trade happened. Um, you know,

Josue Pavon: 20:47

in retrospect, it's tempting, it's really tempting to go back in time. It's really time to step away from the DeLorean. Right, don't go back in time, don't change it. Alright. I'm going to that time machine.

Michael Marcangelo: 20:58

I do have a question too, just based on what rageous? And what and what you said. What are the odds? Like what are the odds that Jaylen and Jayson don't reach their, their full potential on the same team?

Josue Pavon: 21:12

I think that's, I think that's, that's, that's very possible that could that could certainly happen. I mean, when you look at their, their contract extensions, I think it's, it's a little deceiving. Because if this thing if we're still looking at a 500 team, and 10 months from now, so like, Who's to say that one of these guys gonna say, you know, it's not working here? I'm not quite sure I want to hear any more. I mean, that could very well happen for sure. So that's why this offseason is really important. But at the same time, I don't think there's organizations in the space where they're like, you know what, it's time to split these guys up. No, absolutely not. They've worked very hard to get to this point. One getting the draft picks right? I mean, they're a one Markel faults away from Boeing. This whole thing of, you know, from ruining the entire, the entire rebuild. You know, like Jaylen Brown, one dragon bender from ruining the entire rebuild. Oh, crap.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 21:57

Oh, you know, Jackson to Oh, my God. Oh,

Josue Pavon: 22:00

I mean, let's face it. Jaylen Brown. I don't want to put it this way. But this is the best way to put it. For him to survive that Kyrie Irving experience and not be so turned off that that was a blessing as well, that to sign him for that contract extension. I think it's a bargain team, or team friendly, team friendly, for sure. Yeah, moving forward, you got it, you got to do the best you can to supplement talent around these guys. And you know, of course, they're going to do their best to try to trade Kimble Walker, but it's not going to be easy. You know, they're going to try to the breast to consolidate, you know, three or four of these bench players into one, you know, solid player that they can certainly rely on. But that's not going to be easy as well, you know, it look for the topic of training kemba Walker, I put it like this, if you if the suddens are to train someone like kemba Walker, they're going to get a situation that's Kimble Walker like in return. That's the only way a team will accept something like that. I don't know, kristaps porzingis is a name that's out there. You know, like, is OKC still trying to get like 25 first round picks? I don't know. Al Horford. I mean, look, this is the situation that the others are in this is realistic, these are realistic options of how to get a guy get from under that Kimble Walker contract, but it's not going to be easy. kristaps porzingis has more money on his books than kemba. Walker does, you know, our al Horford has the extra year, but at least it dipped down to 17 million towards the tail end of that contract. So it goes down. Whereas you know, kambos goes yet in the other direction. So it's tough, you know, those are sort of the option but I don't think that this ownership is in the space where they're thinking that you know, let's let's go full rebuild, you know, they're trying to say this thing on the fly. And what I mean by that is keep these superstars or these all stars, rather, you know, in tune and entertain because they've never been through a first round knockout. And they're not quite sure where the direction this team is going.

Rob Kelly: 23:47

I gotta ask man, so throughout this whole season, a big hot topic on this podcast has been management and coach, or the players you know, who's to blame? Who's gonna blow up first? What what's gonna happen and get to trade the players? They're going to fire this and fire fighter Danny and fire Brad. How relieved Are you as a basketball fan? Or a basketball guy that Jayson Tatum and Jaylen brown are the ones that this organization chose. They recognize that basketball and didn't it didn't go the management route and try and save the coach or save the GM.

Josue Pavon: 24:24

Yeah, they did the right thing. I mean, I'm really but I'm also not, I'm not. I'm not that surprised, right. I mean, the NBA, like organizations, they seen this story before they see how things can get sour. You know, when you try to, you know, go the other way and not try to please these guys. You know, it's funny man, one of the older guys, someone in the industry reached out to me, which is like, Man, these players and they're gonna handle it. We're gonna handpick their coach and they're gonna you know hand pick who they want to play with and they're gonna go win a championship. I was like, wait, have you been? Yes, this is the NBA like hell yeah, they're

Rob Kelly: 24:56

gonna do

Josue Pavon: 24:57

Brooklyn Nets. What do they do last summer that's exactly what they did. No, like, you know what? What did LeBron and rich Paul do two years before he left Cleveland set up shop in LA. I mean, little by little make sure that Anthony Davis wasn't going to get traded to Boston because rich Paul put the word out you'll be wasting your assets for nothing for one year rented. So you know that? Listen, this organization man 14 that's been thrown so many curveballs. I mean, talk about a self exceed but still relevant and still has two stars that obviously on the up and up haven't mentioned their prime. I mean, I mean that that that, that just says a lot about Danny Ainge. And because this move was so shocking, I feel like he didn't get his proper like, you know, salute for his last 18 years of service man because people can say what they want but the last two or three years, you know, there are those obviously weren't him at his best, but from from bringing the championship to staying relevant, you know, squeezing out bad Big Three appears garden and and realen to having one drop off year, technically two years even though that second year, Brad Stevens, you made the postseason when you weren't supposed to. I mean, he turned this thing around quicker than anyone expected. And now and I know, it's frustrating that we're not able to see this team, get back to the NBA Finals, where it's like, they were so close. But you know, this is just the position that they're in, and they're just trying to rebound as best as they can. Right. So

Rayshawn Buchanan: 26:11

right. So I mean, let's keep the theme with the you know, just surrounding them with talent, so that obviously, we know, Tatum and brown in the future. So I know free agency doesn't start until August 1, I believe. So, you know, who do you think they should go after them? Because clearly, I felt like shooting to me is the number one thing, but how do they improve their? How do they improve their roster to make this team contenders next year? for the future? I should say?

Josue Pavon: 26:36

You know, it's interesting. I mean, it's, I don't know, if, if, how high on the list Evan fornia is, but I mean, he's, I think he's a piece that the students have to really consider, it's just gonna cost them a lot, you know, and I think that ultimately, they they may pass or or at least they may be, you know, trumped by another team. So, you know, when you talk about potential free agents out there, I mean, they don't have a whole lot of cap space. So I think for the most part, they're going to try to do the best they can and on the trade front, you know, you know, trying to consolidate these guys, you know, Grant Williams and you know, guys on that bench, I'm not saying that they're going to be able to deal these guys, but I think that they have to do their best to just get to get those guys, whether it's a shooter or a secondary playmaker. That's going to make a big difference, because I don't know man, if you're if you're unable to tray kemba. Walker, I think your backward gets significantly thin. I mean, it already was thin, right? So it's tough, but then you look for outside shooting, you know, someone like Tim Hardaway Jr, or someone that you know, I think would be great on this team. But I mean, it's just they don't have a whole lot of money to play with me, they got to get really creative. I mean, you can say they still have the MLB which I believe it's about 10 11 million left on that. There is an expiration on that but you still have a couple of months. So they're going to try their best there. But it's difficult to say and I think that Evan Fournier a signing or no no signing is going to really, you know, tell us what direction they're going in. And if he does stick around you're not going to see much movement after that. But if he doesn't I think something's going to be very aggressive on the tray for sure.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 28:08

Right But what goes but you he can't he can't come out here and quote 50 cent right like oh, we're gonna get better 18 or diatribe you can't call it 50 cent and not and not have us all in so I'm sorry

Josue Pavon: 28:19

how much how much of the tax you're gonna pay how much that tax?

Rayshawn Buchanan: 28:21

Yeah. That's what he kept talking about though. He said oh, you know, we're willing to spend ruler spend so okay, you risk Gotham might say, Okay, well get your waist and the room and start talking about what you can do. Because at this moment, you need to go all in if you're saying if you once again, if you're quoting 50 Cent's saying we're going to get better at or die trying there's something needs to happen. So whether that's resigning Fournier which I agree to me the only suitor outside of Boston maybe would be he looks like a San Antonio spur like he he just screams to me is he's a six seven he's a six seven tony parker Yeah. The next would be cool. Could I know they were in on or try to get Hayward last year but

Josue Pavon: 29:01

obviously well that and they tried to do it they were they were trying to trick they were trying to trade point yeah they're trying to trip a 40 inverter for the deadline for not mistaken something stupid so they could have

Rayshawn Buchanan: 29:11

Yeah, yeah, I mean as I said we probably could have 40 a and and Gordon but you know we didn't want to give up markets right so I heard so we heard we don't we don't know i mean you're you're more plugged in than we are but I'm just like you didn't want to get Marcus why we hit a guy maybe both of them guys back like who knows what could have happened if you know the both of the guys on the team but yeah, I don't know man to me. What Grossberg it's time to put up a shut up daughter like you can't come in there trying to be all smiles and give all these bells and whistles to trainee on on the on the network but not but not say what you so backup what you say. Say what you mean mean what you say and bring some real talent here so just like on a championship team you brought in Posey you brought in PJ brown your body in any house. You brought over she Wallah. You brought in guys that were that were that were ready. Veterans may play is already in his league. Like they got to do that now. And um, and I know we talked we talked about semi semi last time. I can't wait I was planning to shoot me. And he was like, Man, you know, that might be the guy you hate now So yeah, I can't. But honestly, I feel like like listen Carson, Chema waters and taco I'm done. Let's say I noticed the fan favorite thing. You know, we want to Taco don't fucking yell we want Oh, we want to Taco You just made my man like, Oh, that's insane. That's crazy. You could play a phrase apart. Well, you and me. That's why. I'm like, that's not working. I'm sorry. I can't do it. No. That would be well, let's talk about tacos, tacos a sideshow. And I said as much as I think he's a great guy that he's improved but I just saw a guy that tacos should be and he plays in Dallas and that's Bobo on my yard and Mitch if he became that but he's not he's he's to this day still alive for the project. Yeah exam he's two years should be a two years away. And that that's a problem still. So he's a waste of roster space.

Rob Kelly: 31:08

I got I gotta say, I don't think work. I don't think with new he was quoting a 50 cent just for the record.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 31:17

Right facts.

Josue Pavon: 31:20

It's always like, someone like nod his head. He was like, like that. I was good. So this line in the book, my guy. He's like, what do you mean he like someone told him after the fact? Yeah. Probably. But no, man. No. I also think that Jalen brown and Tatum I mean, I don't know, man, they gotta like, and I'm just saying this all year, sometimes I get crap and Celtics fans and sometimes, depending on how they're feeling, they're like, you're right. Um, they gotta make it like, I don't know, make it seem fun. Like, you guys like playing with each other. Do you guys look forward to like, I don't know, man. Like, I don't know. I don't. I sometimes I struggle wording the way I want it to sound but it's just like, I want that. Like, okay, you remember, Anton Walker and Walters? Yep. Yes, yes. Yes. That was fun. Man. Those guys, they're really 500 some seasons that one year, they do what they did the thing, but for the most part, you know, they were always themselves. Are they ever gonna do anything? But boy, those two had fun, right? I mean, you saw them a handshake in and all this stuff. And, and, you know, obviously the walker had the wiggle. And obviously, they were both getting theirs. But it didn't seem like they were just out to get there. You know, and sometimes I feel I get that sense with Tatum and brown. Like they just out to get this. And that doesn't mean that they don't care about winning. But I just think the way they see winning is like, I got to do my absolute best for this team to win. Whereas it's like, as you get older, and it's gonna happen to them, they're gonna realize No, it's to make to reach that next level. It's not I don't have to go out and score 50 I have to find out how can we make this team as strong as possible as difficult as possible for opposing squads? You know, I mean, I mean, that's really what it is, right? It's almost like a young LeBron and those years when he couldn't get over the hump against the Celtics, where it's just like, oh, like, I just like either they're gonna distance we finally realized, wait, no, I gotta set up other guys. Because half of these guys are wide open. You know what I mean? Like, look, I don't I just think their relationship on the basketball court, it makes a difference. I mean, like, guys can look to those to that to that all star tandem and say, You know what, I can help those guys. Those guys are one player away from not going away to not going off in meds. You know, I want to join those guys. So I really do think that relationship is just important. It just gives off the right vibe. I mean, I made this joke that if I was an all star All Star weekend, and I saw them yeah, if I was like, you know, perennial, all star, I will talk so much shit to them. Oh, they Oh, look, it was the 500 All Star crew, you know, that they can't put together a winning record in the ease. Like, what what's wrong with y'all man, like, I would get into so much crap if I was, you know, LeBron, or, you know, one of these, maybe not the bra, but you know, someone that's been there, like, all the time, because, you know, a lot of teams in the NBA would, they would kill for something like that, to rising all stars, but you know, under 25. And again, it just seemed like some time then they just like, it's like, it's like a pickup game out there. And they're both getting theirs. And it's great. And their stats are damn near identical some nights. But it's just like, man, how the record is 500. So what's going on? You know,

Michael Marcangelo: 34:19

this, your point, right? It's like, you want to be a player that looks at those two anomalies, feels like I can make them better. But like, Damn, they couldn't they could elevate my game. Right? That's what, that's how you get people because if they look at if they say those two would make me better, then then they're buying into the entire process. Are they to your point? Like why? Why do you think it is? Is it because they're they're reluctant to show a motion or that are like, Jaylen doesn't want to step on Jayson's toes for being the leader or vice versa. Like why is it that when they're on the court, not all the time but most times? It feels like they're just going through the the court general emotions know what I mean? Like I have to do this I have to do this.

Josue Pavon: 35:01

I just think is their is their background. I mean, these guys came up and again, winning situations and and and I don't say that, you know, to knock them all you guys don't know what it's like to struggle. But I just think they both come from backgrounds where that was their job. They went there and scored and they went and they were the guy and I don't know maybe the AAU, you know At the AAU culture didn't help with that coming up in high school where you played with some of the top guys in the in the country and, you know, beating by 45 points and you come into the NBA and sure you're not one of the top guys, but you're in a winning situation and the pressure is not on to you that much. You know, I always tell the story about being out in Cleveland, when you know, Kyrie Irving and Gordon Hayward were set to make a debut. And there wasn't one single reporter next to them as I asked him questions like, it was just like, everyone just hovered over, there was no pressure man, like, they didn't have to deal with that. They didn't really set it until this year. And this was the year that was the most there was it was, it was a struggle. It was a struggle for everybody. It wasn't a small things, you know, it was a tough year. I mean, we gotta face it, guys, though, when MBA looks back on the season, they're gonna be like, Man, that was a that was not a good idea. That was not a good idea to have these guys playing every other night. You know, what they did to their bodies, every team is dealing with injuries right now. You know, and the Celtics obviously dealt with it the most. And, you know, going into next season, I think that the NBA will do a better job of, you know, trying to get more rest in and trying to make sure that these guys, you know, are taken care of their bodies better than than they did this past season. Because it was grueling. It was tough. But you know, we're being we're coming back from what happened this offseason refresh. I can't wait to see at least just these two, how they're going to respond, what their relationship is going to look like, on that basketball on that basketball court because it's going to make all the difference.

Rob Kelly: 36:48

Yeah. And then and so I think something we keep talking about the relationship between these two and that like they like to play. They do like to play ISO together. Like you take a turn, I take a turn, you take a turn, it seems like they operate like that, especially when they get into that stale offense like they did so much this year, where it's like, they feel like they're struggling for buckets. That's when they go to ISO. Do you think a point guard I'm gonna bring him up just because I love him? Rajon Rondo? Someone that style maybe not him, but someone like Rondo who's just gonna be the general like, these two guys wouldn't have to bring up the ball every time they would they could just work to get their shot. Rondo feeds them. And that's all she wrote. Do you think someone like that could be someone that could merge their two games and even let them keep playing the game they're comfortable playing, but like be successful doing it? 100%

Josue Pavon: 37:43

I would love that. I would love to see rage on the back still today. I mean, I feel like this, this conversation comes up. It's been brought up at least, you know twice and it's like every offseason. You know, she's getting back and just to have someone in there and I think now more than ever, for a couple of reasons. One is, you know, his experience and his his his voice in that locker room and on the court. I mean, can you name another guy that could just his his his approach with LeBron James during the playoffs last year in a bubble I mean, like even after they won I was like there's no ways as to go rather badly. I can't do this do this there just says whatever he wants to just like, he just controls everything. I give you having beers like I appreciate it. I appreciate you but I think someone like that in Boston with these guys. They're gonna be all yours. And you know what, it's not just about, Oh, you got to do this or you got to do that. I think it's genuinely Rondo when he's the only younger guy even with the Celtics, you know, before he left it was genuine when he got into this guy that people people believe in him. And I think that would be a great addition you know if that were that's a possibility. And if I'm the Celtics man, I would I would really look into it for sure. Because again, they're gonna need to address that backcourt one way or another pain bridge is not ready to be a starting point guard. I don't hate Marcus Martin in that spot. But he's got to have someone else in there in the mix for sure.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 39:03

Now, yes, yeah, that's a KB KB market now not mark this. I'm sorry. No. All the time anyways.

Josue Pavon: 39:10

Yeah.

Rob Kelly: 39:11

Imagine Chauncey is head coach with Rajon Rondo? Oh, man, so much knowledge team. They're like, let's go watch IQ. Yeah, that that gets me fired up. No, just imagine for me Yeah, let's let's go. I'm ready.

Josue Pavon: 39:25

Just imagine like all the IQ in that locker room like I like if it's so just pull the chessboard out. Like what Jaylen brown you guys can reach on Rhonda? So much high basketball. So much high basketball, IQ and just just IQ in general matter? Could could definitely go a long way for the state.

Michael Marcangelo: 39:41

Can I ask someone a question right? Because this is either gonna validate me or it's gonna make me look like the idiot that we all know that I am. I have been pushing for a guy like Russell Westbrook on this team because he's an animal like he just he's he's, he's, he's a lunatic. And I don't think that i think i think he would control and dictate the pace for for Jaylen and for Jayson. Am I am I insane for thinking that Russell Westbrook would make us better than what we currently are.

Josue Pavon: 40:06

Nah, man. I like it too, man. I like it too. Yeah, you would not win the majority man. No one wants to hear that right now. But I mean, it's just that would be tough, man. That would be tough. You know, um, some speculation was that. Oh, if it's something if they get really ballsy they could get that back home. And trade for Jaylen Brown. I'm not doing that why she's not doing it. Um, but yeah, you know, to answer your question.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 40:31

I would write one bill for Jaylen Brown. That would you say? Yeah, so

Josue Pavon: 40:35

you know, you know, and it's getting crazy. Wow. And obviously kemba would have to go the other way to

Rayshawn Buchanan: 40:42

see okay, yeah.

Josue Pavon: 40:45

But if you're, if you're Washington, you're just gonna be like, we're gonna give up. We're giving up already. All right, you know, like, it's just tough. I think they're gonna try to give this another go to try to appease these guys, because that playoff push. I don't think they saw that comment. And they want to see more of that. But yeah, I mean, in theory, I do like it. And if you were to manage trade, and somehow that somebody tried to do it for kemba, yes, sign me up. But, again, it's back to what we were saying earlier. It's it's kind of the conversation starts with Jaylen Brown. And I don't I don't want to do something to do that for Russell Westbrook. I just don't want to do it in general, for sure.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 41:19

I mean, they could do it for Devin Booker. They make about the same, you know, they did the same age. I know, the finish would be ridiculous to do that. Like but I mean, like that's, that's the that's one of the few guys I'm like, Okay, if you said, if you want Jaylen brown and let's do the same age. You know, Devin Booker and Tatum was talking about he wanted to play a book. No, but he thought he thought he said no, all the smoke. He was like, Yeah, I was gonna I thought I was gonna Phoenix and we're gonna hook ticket. There was gonna be the light skinned assassins, you know, but you know what I mean? It just it just didn't work out. It didn't work out that way.

Josue Pavon: 41:54

No, yeah, Phoenix. Oh, yeah. I was gonna say Phoenix messed up in the draft club. Even even not getting paid. And they really messed up.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 42:02

Yeah. Right. So. So I wanted to switch gears a little bit, just do it. Let's be a little more serious man. But obviously, NBA fans are wildland like, we've seen stuff in Philadelphia, we've seen stuff. And we saw stuff here in Boston, obviously. Obviously, we obviously we know what's going on in Utah in the past. And you know, something happened one thing, john Morris father, if I'm not mistaken, so obviously Trey young going to spit out at MSG. So, you know, what, what do you think the NBA could do? Or should do when it comes to ensuring player safety? Because right now, fans seem they didn't want to be assholes. You know, just ask a little all around. So how do you feel they should go about ensuring player safety?

Josue Pavon: 42:44

You know, heightened security is always something I think that makes a big difference. I know it doesn't sound like it does, but just just the mere presence. I mean, it just, there's just no there's no place for that man like these guys, you know, the spectators they go into because you buy a ticket doesn't mean that you could do stuff like that, and I get it. people haven't been out for a while, and a lot to drink with. So what I mean, you have to you have to hold these guys accountable. And I like that they that these names are printed in the newspapers. And we know this guy's from Braintree that did that through the water bottle of Kyrie Irving. You know, the way Russell Westbrook reacted to that fan, I mean, like, you feel for him, you know, some idiot on the Boston radio station was like, I was gonna come up bad, but he did. He goes, Oh, it's just talk for a minute. What is just popcorn? Oh, you don't have the right to throw anything at these guys. You know, and of course, the racial aspect of it is is of course relevant because the historical, you know, just in terms of black athletes and entertainers, you know, a lot of what Gary said is very onpoint I just wasn't, I just wasn't crazy about the vehicle. He used to deliver his point. In fact, if you know what I mean,

Rayshawn Buchanan: 43:50

right, exactly. That that was Yeah, that was my issue too.

Josue Pavon: 43:54

And, and if you're going to tell the story, tell the whole story. Okay, you can talk about that, especially with sports. And you're not going to mention Bill Russell and read our bag. And you know what, read our bag meant to the game of basketball in the NBA and the Celtics and starting five bucks, you know, players for the first time hiring the first black coach. I mean, I just thought it was it was a bit off putting, but I mean, obviously no one no one was listening to what he was saying being like, Oh, this is ridiculous. Like Yeah, it's true, but it was just a bit of a low blow I guess the best way to put it in a way it was like Yeah, you're gonna you're gonna point out the city's background and all that stuff. Because you're trying to gain leverage in a series I thought he was trying to gain leverage a bit and you know what I mean? I mean, we're in a playoff in the best time series you can do the best you can to look for leverage. I just thought I'd get a little bit of a little bit of a little I mean, it's a sensitive topic, but it is what it is. I didn't I was one of these guys that was oh carriers add a line for that. No, he was doing what he does in the playoffs and that's what all nba stars do and try to gain an advantage but yeah, I mean to answer your question, man Yeah, this is no place for that. I mean you high insecurity and I guess he just really call these guys out you know, I think that's the that's it right there because nowadays with social media once your name gets out there and people know what you look like it's just the bad look, you know,

Michael Marcangelo: 45:06

in terms of like in the arena do you do in Brooklyn does because like they have not only like the state like the theater lighting but if you if you notice like there's not a lot of courtside seats and you I don't know if that's because of COVID but they have that that like the it's like the LED lightboard behind where the players so do you do you remove access to To the court for fans, is that something that you think the NBA could do? Or would they be too scared to lose out on revenue for that? Yeah, it's

Josue Pavon: 45:32

just gonna lose on a revenue man. They're trying to they're trying to come up, you know, they got they got the garden selling selling burgers for like, $20 right now, man, it's crazy. The concessions are crazy. But um, yeah, I mean, I just I don't think they'll do that. Honestly, if anything, most are really trying to add, you know, that's what the garden did, you know, just before the shutdown. But um, yeah, I mean, I just think that the the national media having, you know, bringing light to it and talking about it constantly, I think that helps for sure. And hopefully this doesn't continue to be a trend of the next season. Wasn't

Rob Kelly: 46:07

I tell you one thing if people weren't running into the people weren't writing it or throwing stuff at athletes after ranoh test what up? 20 rows and beat someone's ass? Okay. All right, just saying, Look, let let one of these NBA players one free shot at someone who throws something at them like it would be in your life. And I promise you no one be throwing anything. And it's

Rayshawn Buchanan: 46:29

got to be frausto it's gotta be Russell Westbrook.

Michael Marcangelo: 46:31

Yes, it

Rayshawn Buchanan: 46:33

has to be him.

Rob Kelly: 46:34

If Russell Westbrook walked by you on the street and you dump popcorn on him, I guarantee you that would be the last thing you ever did you

Josue Pavon: 46:45

know that that's no Westbrook is kind of person I think wasn't that person. But he will he will be someone to ask. And then and then rant about it for 30 minutes. Hi.

Rob Kelly: 46:56

tell you how he beat your ass.

Josue Pavon: 46:58

And why you shouldn't have done it.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 47:01

Yeah, listen, listen, I I've said their phrase. I'm here for it. And I listen, I hear the sad all the time out of out of me here for that. I wouldn't be mad at that. You

Josue Pavon: 47:08

know, people don't give it all they don't they don't like Westbrook because of his attitude sometimes. And you know, the I don't know, I guess the way he plays. But I love it. He's one of my favorite players to watch. It's been that way for the last few years. Yeah, you know, that's somebody who goes out there. He's just playing, you know, he's doing his thing. And I don't talk about much money these guys make and all that stuff. It's about respect again, the day, man. He's got to respect the

Rayshawn Buchanan: 47:36

so we're bringing it back to the south things, but obviously, we're going into the 21 2021 2021 season. So just real quick as a quick hitter. What, uh, what what are your early bowl predictions for, for the Celtics next year?

Josue Pavon: 47:50

Oh, man, you mean like,

Rayshawn Buchanan: 47:52

so what? It could be rasa stuff. It could be a record thing. It could be that we already we've already exhausted the culture thing. But it could be a player that takes a leak. It could be someone that comes here. We don't think that's coming. So something like that. Huh? Man?

Josue Pavon: 48:13

I don't know me, honestly, I don't think I don't think too much crazy things gonna happen, man. But that doesn't mean this is a bad thing. You know, I just, I do think they'll add a player too. But I don't think it's gonna be like a huge splash that people are like, oh, okay, here we go. Something that's going to be a tough team out there. I think this is going to be more about, okay. When we were healthy, there was there was a lot of positive takeaways. And let's expand on that, you know, let's let's try to get that, you know, these health advantages will be out of the way the thinking and you know, without the guys missing games, because COVID-19 health and safety protocol, you know, I just think that these they believe in and these guys know, the core and some of these younger players. So, you know, and when you think about the the calf space and how restricted they are. I mean, if that doesn't happen, I would only I would say maybe they find a way to trade Campbell, but it's not going to be I mean, maybe it's one of those guys that I mentioned where there's al Horford or, or porzingis but, I mean, chances are I think he maybe he stays You know, I think he stays until at least he they can showcase him a bit more. And maybe you try to fit them during the offseason. I mean during the day before the trade deadline, but, I mean, that's that's even tougher. So. I don't know if I had to predict it. They don't. They don't they're not able, they're unable to move Kambo. People always want talk about al Horford, and no one thought that the Philadelphia sixers would be able to move that but it's just so different, right? I mean, we're talking about an undersized guard 31 all these problems are right in love with you know recently. It's gonna scare away a lot of

Rayshawn Buchanan: 49:43

hoffa was older though Hofer was in me, Horford number 35 so he's gonna be 35 he might be he might be 35 this month I

Michael Marcangelo: 49:49

heard was that.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 49:52

Yeah, that's true. That's true. But it wasn't heard right without the hit that he was that he sucked that it was over in Philly. And then he came by he was actually he was still hoping they're not in Okay. See, you know, he was like, whoa, whoa. Right. You're you're doing you're doing too much like we want him it's not what we do around here. Right? Yeah. Well, I'll give I'll give my boyfriend a shot. I felt like well, and this is despite, that's why we call it bold. Um, don't have a top five bench scoring Next year I'm gonna I'm gonna oh my god oh man it's all it's all why they're gonna have a top five scoring base I'm gonna say that me sorry guys take a leap whatever brings somebody here but I'm gonna I'm gonna finally address the need for you know a better scoring or the benchmark markers more seems to call them a couple years ago like when the best oh yeah and you know saying so that that's why I think yeah exactly exactly so

Unknown: 50:47

and the bed screw you know Moore's Moore's is one of my favorite math but a lot of times

Rayshawn Buchanan: 50:54

he's he's great and so yeah I think it's good to have a top five score that's that's my bold prediction

Rob Kelly: 51:02

last thing and I will let you leave I promise I'm making a bold prediction is Marcus smart on the Celtics next season

Josue Pavon: 51:13

No, oh, my No.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 51:19

We got about like saying Okay, cool.

Josue Pavon: 51:21

I hope it doesn't happen man. I mean, I am a market smart guy but I think it might happen guys because again, we talked about the restriction of the the cap and that's still that that name still holds a lot of weight in the NBA especially guys or teams rather than thinking that they just need one defensive stopper that could put them put them over the edge and you know one of these West Coast teams you never know man like that energy and all that and you know that team friendly contract shirts expiring but some team that's just looking to add an extra muscle and they think that the market smart is the guy you don't

Rayshawn Buchanan: 51:53

know what I'm scared of though. I felt like could have said she was saying that what's gonna happen it's gonna mess around and be like, done or not done or not the SE Marcus smart to the LA clippers or Patrick Beverley and Luke canard and I'm gonna lose my shit and I'm gonna be I'm gonna be in your dm like, Bro, I can't believe you called to say like, yo,

Josue Pavon: 52:11

that's so funny. You say that? No, no, I'm dying laugh because that's so funny you say that because that's got Brad Stevens written all

Rob Kelly: 52:22

that sounds so realistic.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 52:26

We gotta got to bring the festive toughness and you know versus

Rob Kelly: 52:29

Adam Nicholas bitumen. It's all over.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 52:34

It's funny, we were saying people were upset about that mirror was like, Oh, man. back for hay, right? I mean, but it's almost okay for them. I'm with the Clippers this season. So I'm like, you know, I'm a great he would have done that here. Like he was only Okay, exactly. So that that's that man. So like gallon

Josue Pavon: 52:53

are you man. So what does that come from? Like, really? He's doing this thing in Atlanta. And because yeah, that's funny. You say that? Because Yeah, those same names. I was doing the same thing. Oh, you can replace them with someone like this. You could replace him with someone like, you know, Gallinari, you know, Hey, where's your family? No, I don't think either of those guys. And I didn't feel great about hey, we're helping them forward. And here we are, you know, shocker, right? Exactly.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 53:17

I mean, but uh, that was for you, Joe. Joe was one of my guys on the show. He's not here but that was for you, Joe but uh yeah, no, um, I mean Bogdanovich was someone to man I mean, you know, the lucky you know, missed on that but I mean, then by Donald was healthy has changed their season.

Josue Pavon: 53:34

Yeah, I mean, those I think those are the kind of guys Celtics will do their best to target man. But yeah, that's such a bad trait. There's some pics in there. Cooper's would do that.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 53:43

Oh, God. I know. I hope I hope I hope so.

Josue Pavon: 53:47

A team needs a market

Rayshawn Buchanan: 53:50

I'm scared. I'm scared. Oh, Brad trade. Without the clothes on I before I get any more emotional buying

Rob Kelly: 53:59

clothes. Patrick Beverley you're new as Boston Celtics.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 54:03

Oh yeah, I can't I can't I'll go crazy. Oh

Josue Pavon: 54:06

by the way, by the way people listening to this market gets traded don't don't say as my father I don't think I could absolutely happen that's a big chip on the table right now. No, we'll see. We'll see who bites we'll see which team bites you know i mean you have to you have to Brad wouldn't be doing he wouldn't be doing his proper due diligence if he didn't put them on the table right like you gotta you got to put some serious package deals together if you want to you want to get a someone something in return so we'll see mostly Brad the GM so we wish which was by the way before we even before I get out of here I want to make this clear. I this is not long term. I don't think so. I really don't Yeah,

Rayshawn Buchanan: 54:50

Jeff. Jeff Goodman said the same thing he came on is

Josue Pavon: 54:53

this. No. Two years Max? Yeah, absolutely. So organization the owners is like look Brad is nice. You can do so. New you ain't going nowhere. You gotta

Rayshawn Buchanan: 55:08

you gotta get you gotta get Sam pressure if that's the case, go get him he's from here. Bring him here.

Josue Pavon: 55:12

Oh, man. that's a that's a given right. Okay season be like, don't you think about it saying don't even

Rayshawn Buchanan: 55:18

Yeah. Brian's the coach though. Brad said I'll coach over here. Don't take that trade. Brad for San Fran. They do that cut like how we got doc over there, they will do that and my opinion and you know give them a couple of picks that we're gonna be happy with that.

Josue Pavon: 55:31

Yeah I think by now by now we're gonna say by now Brad Brad's definitely refreshed on the the Danny Steve I mean Danny Danny Ainge one on one, you know he knows how to trace them coaches know, I wouldn't I wouldn't stop or make unorthodox trades that other organizations have never done right? They traded dog for some pigs. Danny would trade his mom I swear man like he was that kind of dude. Salute salute to Danny Ainge for real like that. I'll never forget this error. I'll never forget this error. And I know you guys can say the same thing. I mean, come on Kevin garden net like that kid that teenager that when that kid found out he was man, let me tell you incredible Danny's man frill like well, people got out it's just it was so shocking that it just happened in the day and that's it but we got it salute him for sure man for this for bringing that championship and for this error that we've never written right now.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 56:26

Right and that's so that that's that's there right I know. I know. We could go

Josue Pavon: 56:31

I know it's my fellas. No

Rayshawn Buchanan: 56:37

no, but what was it? I think that's the you ended a good with the tribute to Jenny and so Danny age 18 years of 18 years down you know you brought a championship brothers here so not the father's in the age so even

Josue Pavon: 56:49

right nobody was putting pictures together before Danny.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 56:53

Exactly. At least have to trade anyways. It was it was it was

Rob Kelly: 56:56

a trade. He traded it he traded marquel folks for Jayson Tatum and got another first round pick on top of it just throw in that that's literally the most lopsided trade ever.

Josue Pavon: 57:07

Danny straight up flip the script twice right the big three thing and then and then he showed and then he showed a what OKC is doing right now but they've taken a page out of his that his book. Yep, stack of these draft picks. Do you know slump slump for a few years and come right back with guys like Jaylen Brighton. I mean, that Brooklyn metstrade a lot of jazz wouldn't have had the sack up pull that trigger man. And you know, obviously it was the right thing to do. Those featured pics were it you know that's what bridged the gap to this match to what we're in right now. So yeah man. trendsetter, man Danny Ainge

Rayshawn Buchanan: 57:40

da translated as

Josue Pavon: 57:41

Miami Heat fans to thank him but who else Golden State did at home grown so they did it

Rayshawn Buchanan: 57:49

right exactly right and so and so on so that so number 35 came over there right?

Josue Pavon: 57:55

LeBron fans You're welcome. All right, right yeah,

Rayshawn Buchanan: 57:58

yeah, for sure. Can we got Oh, we got old quickly so they better they better be grateful. So before we go further, further down bburago what was what started down on now but trying to set a DA we thank you. So for Danny right try to daddy. So for just a provoke the real BK Bob Kelly. Magic Mike Mark Angelo and our executive producer Craig D'Alessandro. This has been another episode of missing the point and until next time, we'll see you peace.