Jan. 18, 2021

UFC 257: Dustin Poirier vs. Connor McGregor 2 Preview Ft. Hilarie Rose

UFC 257: Dustin Poirier vs. Connor McGregor 2 Preview Ft. Hilarie Rose
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On this episode of Missing the Point: we are joined today by MMA Fighter Hilarie Rose.  Hilarie shares with us the knowledge gained from her fight with Dana White and although she did not come out victorious, recognizing her shortcomings proved to be more essential for future fights. A few key actions Hilarie has improved on post-fight have been gaining muscle and building strength in addition to grappling along with working on her strikes. In relation to training comes the subject of marijuana. As of recently, UFC has announced removing marijuana from its list of banned substances. Seeing as over 60% of fighters use the substance, the action of suspending people for it has become a controversial issue. One major reason being that in lieu of marijuana comes the use of highly addictive pain killer pills, opiates. Being as most fighters use weed/CBD to recover from intense training sessions or fights marijuana is with a doubt the safest homeopathic remedy. As we continue on in the episode, we debate on whether Conor McGregor or Dustin Poirier will win the upcoming fight. Stick around to see why we predict Conor will win his first UFC submission win but also how Dustin has an advantage in knowledge from Conor exposing a lot of his techniques.


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Craig D'Alessandro:

This episode of missing the point is being brought to you by box Oh crafts, save 15% off your first holiday box at checkout with the promo code MTP. That's box o crafts.com. And once again my mixed martial arts fighter Hilarie rose as we preview UF 257 Cormier vs. McGregor t First we'll discuss Hilarie ecent fight on ESPN plus his ana White's contender series, nd what she's improved upon ince about, we discussed the ecent decision by the UFC to emove marijuana from their list f banned substances and how his can benefit the MMA ommunity. And finally, as we look forward to Conor McGregor has returned to the octagon as he takes on Dustin Cormier for the second time. But first some housekeeping. This important is a one hour podcast recapping the biggest stories in the world of sports with the New England flavour. The show notes and transcript from today's episode can be found in the description box below, as well as on our website. www dot MTP show comm if you're new to the show, consider subscribing. It's the easiest way to see we publish new episodes. We are on Apple podcasts, Spotify, Google and wherever you get your podcast. If you're listening on Apple podcasts, make sure to rate the show and leave a review for a chance to win a free missing the point t shirt. Be sure to follow us on all of our social medias. All of our links will be in the show notes and check it out brand new website WWW dot MTP show.com that's MTP show.com. And now this is missing the point Episode 33 but it's all relative.

Michael Marcangelo:

Welcome to missing the point I am your host Mike Mark Angelo joined alongside by DK sizzle Dave Clark and today we are talking all things MMA UFC and Conor McGregor and because of that, we have a very special guest to help us along the way. You may remember her from her very first episode of armchairs ask athletes, she is by far the biggest badass to come across your airwaves. The one the only Hilarie rose Hilarie, it's been over 100 hours of content and a name change since we last spoke. But how are you?

Hilarie Rose:

I'm good. How are you? I'm excited to be back to talk with you guys. I had so much fun last time.

Michael Marcangelo:

Yeah, we're we're super excited to have you back. We want to talk a little bit about you. Your fight. And then and obviously, you know, Dave has a little shamrock and his shorts over the fight happening next Saturday, the Conor McGregor fight. So let's start with with what's happening with you. Last time we talked to you is before your your big fight on Dana White's a contender. Talk about the fight and what did you learn?

Hilarie Rose:

Okay, so the fight was awesome. I mean, it had a great time. I mean, it's inevitable, somebody has to win, somebody has to lose. And, you know, that girl came to fight. I mean, I make no excuses. You know, you go in there and you have expectations for yourself. And then you it either goes your way or it goes their way. And Tucker was really, really good at taking away the things that I was good at, like, you know, being against the cage and throwing elbows and wanting to throw certain things, she was really good at taking away all of the things I was good at. So, you know, hats off to her. And, you know, the experience was so much fun. Like, I learned so much about myself as a fighter and, you know, experienced and, you know, things that I needed to work on, you know, those definitely my hardest fight that I had had in my career. And I think that, at that point in my career is kind of really what I needed. And it opened my eyes to a lot of things that I needed to work on. And yeah, I mean, I was disappointed, and I've been disappointed. But I mean, you just learn I can't wait to fight again. And you know, I think that opportunity will just show up eventually. It's just not right now. So I at this point, I don't think I want to force anything, I'd rather just let it take its course. And when I end up there if it's three fights from now, one fight from our 10 sites from now. I think it's inevitable.

Dave Clarke:

It's tough, too. It's tough to learn anything from wins, right? Like it's like you just if you beat if you beat 50 people in a row, you're not going to think you have anything to improve on or change Exactly. Your ego. Yeah, yeah. Right. And it's like and you see it all the time. You see it all the time in the fight game where it's just like, oh, like there's somebody for everybody. There's somebody that can beat everybody. And it's like if you say she could win and and cut off the things like matchup wise cut off the things that you're good at. You got it, you know, then you'll you'll know that you're just gonna if you fight her again, it's like well, I'm good at five more things now. So can you cut those off?

Hilarie Rose:

Yeah, yeah, I'm better at these things. And you know, a lot of what I noticed was, I was smaller than her. So since I bought, like I weighed in a way before the fight like the next day, so after you weigh in the next day before you head to the event, they weigh you and I was like 122 pounds and you could see like a The list what she was, and she was like eight pounds heavier than me. She's like, 129, she looked enormous on the night, like huge legs. And the thing is it wanes. She looks small, like smaller than me. So I was like, I'm kind of long, like, I can feel it. And the thing is, I never felt like hurt by her, she was just one second ahead of me the entire fight. And you know, that's, you know, I never felt down and out, I just felt like, literally one step behind, like, she hit me and I should be reacting instead of like, I gotta get hurt. So, it was good. It was fun.

Michael Marcangelo:

So you, you talked about, like, learning a lot from from that fight. I guess, like looking back at it, what were some of the things that you think you did really well, you can build upon,

Hilarie Rose:

I think, no, fight him, I like sat in the pocket in three strikes, like, I usually like to fight on the outside and like, use my legs, and then you know, get a grappling position, and I seem to end up on the ground. So I had never in a fight, like through my hands like that. So I mean, it was good to get in there and have, I never believed in my strikes enough to like, want to go and just like throw my hands, but she forced me to do that. So forcing me you know, I had to react and punching, you know, I think that was the biggest thing, I landed a lot of really great strikes. And um, even though she may have landed a few more than me, like, I landed a lot of good ones. So it was just not having no fear. Like, I wasn't afraid, going in like we're building up to it. I was so anxious, so anxious, this is a huge deal. What am I going to do, I'm going to go Am I prepared to go. Like, if you're just went out, I was like, I'm just gonna have to just throw my hands and go and, and that's what I did. So I think that's what I'm proud of the most is just going in there and being confident in you know, my strikes, even though I may have been one second behind.

Dave Clarke:

I think I think her game plan was obviously to go in there and be big and like one on you against the cage the entire time, which is obviously I've never experienced it, I don't plan on experiencing it. But it seems very energy sapping when somebody sat back and just like leaning on you. So to see you kind of break off and be in the pocket and hit her a few times was awesome. And I think you saw her notice it too, and put you back on the cage as quick as she could, because it was like, okay, stick to the game plan. Don't want to get hit like that again. So you know, I mean, it's good to take those positives, because it's like you made her you reminded her with a smack in the face, we'll stay to stick to a game plan. You know what I mean?

Hilarie Rose:

Sure, if your gameplay was smart, like, I mean, she watched my fights she saw, you know, the things that I like to do, and she knew, you know, I like to throw elbows, I like to collect like to do these things. So, you know, hats off to her team. And, you know, those people for, you know, game planning, right. And I mean, I think that she'll do really well in the UFC. I mean, she's very likable. She, you know, she was yelling at me the entire time. Like, he was yelling at me the whole time. But the thing is, everybody liked her from the start, and like, you kind of can pick up that vibe. And like, that's fine. That doesn't bother me. You know, it's, she's likable, because she's very, like, boisterous and loud. And like, when she's around, you know, that she's there. So like, for me, I'm like, everybody, I'm super excited to be here, like, this is gonna be so fun. But she's very, like, loud and in your face. And like, you know, that's, they, they love that kind of person. And I get that and, you know, that's something that I'm gonna have to like, learn to be more vocal, as you know, on social media and things like that, like she is but, you know, she had her, she had a story, like her and her husband were both competing. So I think that they kind of had this story and, you know, she was built up, you know, with this momentum because her and her husband were both competing together. So, you know, she fights soon she has her first MMA UFC fight tomorrow. Tough chick. Yeah. She's fighting really tough. You know, it'll be a good fight. I'm actually looking forward to it. So a fan fight for me. Plus more game tape honor. Exactly. Exactly. That's 100%.

Michael Marcangelo:

You mentioned that, you know, that she, that her camp, kind of trained her pretty well. Right. So I guess I'd be interested to hear like, how are you training differently post fight than you were pre that fight because a lot of things change, I would imagine after a fight of that magnitude, or Sure.

Hilarie Rose:

So my biggest thing after the fight was gaining four to five pounds and muscle. So I've been spending a lot of time obviously, like in the regular gym, and you know, doing pads and doing jujitsu and things like that, but I've been spending most of my time building strength. So three times a week, I go to Chelmsford and I work with a strength coach. And you know, since the fight, I've probably put on four to five pounds of muscle. So I think it was building I needed to work on being stronger because I have all the technique and the ability to do it, but the girls that I'm fighting are bigger than me like right now I'm probably you know, 130 and a lot of that like is muscle a lot of those girls walk around like maybe 135 137 so they carry a little more weight than me. So my biggest thing was putting on a little weight and gaining muscle and you know, working on my strength most importantly so being more explosive and you know, strength and then obviously I still do the pad work and the grappling and those things and then when it comes to fight camp time will really, you know, chime in on the kind of person I'm fighting. But most important thing was gaining strength.

Dave Clarke:

It's like your frame is is never going to be walking around at 140. But you could you're saying you could Add strength and maybe surprise some people, if they come in bigger than you and you go like, well, I still have strength, you might not be able to see where I'm putting it, but it's here, you know, and they'll, they'll feel it right away. Plus you got a diverse set, which is like a huge, it's obviously a huge emotional upside.

Unknown:

Yeah.

Dave Clarke:

You know, because it's like, it's like an emotional support animal. So you're doing the brain and the body, it works.

Hilarie Rose:

Great. It's good. I mean, I needed to build strength, like I was something that even if you watch the fight over again, like the commentators are saying, like, Hilarie has all the ability, but she's just smaller, and she's not as strong as Cheyenne. Like. And that was definitely true. Like, I definitely lacked strength. And I think that's what a lot of people saw. And so that was my biggest focus is, you know, build strength focus on that. So now, I go three times a week, I'm dedicated to it. And you know, even during fight camp, like I was going there during fight camp, and now we were really focusing on, you know, specific things not so much like cardio based, and like having a good, you know, energy to keep going during the fight. Now, just strange stuff.

Michael Marcangelo:

So, you know, we were talking about, like, leading up to that fight, when we when we spoke to you before you like, what really stuck out in my mind was, you really just enjoy being in there. But yeah, we walked away from the interview. And I said to David, like, she is so cool. Like, she's not out to hurt anybody. She's not like intrinsically a malicious person. She just wants to be in there compete. Yeah. So with, with this being probably the biggest fight of your career, right? How long did it take for that switch to go from like, Oh, god, this is for UFC. This is on ESPN for ESPN plus to you know what I actually love being in here.

Hilarie Rose:

Um, I think like, I knew, obviously, I love being in there. But when you get to Vegas, and it becomes real, and you're, you know, you start getting your tags, and you're getting tested for COVID. And you have to be here because the thing is, my coach feels bad about it also, because everything was limited because of COVID. So like, I couldn't believe there were tons of UFC fighters at the hotel, I was happy, you can't see anybody, you can't talk to anybody. You can't socialize with anybody.

Dave Clarke:

Unless you're

Hilarie Rose:

like somebody's brain who like has been in the UFC for years. So like, I was so limited that I didn't get the full experience. But it was so much where like, I got so much alone time with my coaches that I hadn't had, like, one on one time with them that it made me realize how much I really loved the sport and like they the bill, how much they believe in me kind of like, reminded me again, like I'm here to do this and like, regardless of ability and skill and everything, like I'm here because I've earned this opportunity. So I think being there and being with them and like, you know, usually before fights, you see all your teammates, and you stop in the game and you say Hey, what's up and now you're, you know, isolated with, you know, the people that you know, who have been with you for years. So it was it kind of like really boosted my energy. And like I was really excited to fight regardless of how nervous I was to fight.

Dave Clarke:

What's a great dry run when the opportunity comes around. Again, like all the pageantry and stuff, you've experienced it now all the bright lights of the UFC, you've experienced it now like all the Oh, I remember this from last time, like not fazed by it as much as much as you might not in your conscious brain feel like you are, there's probably a part of your brain going like holy shit, holy shit, holy shit, like, and that's not gonna happen. The second time you're like, Alright, what I've done is before Yeah, exactly. So he ends

Hilarie Rose:

up having a thought in a while. So like, it's been like a little over a year. So it's like, Alright, so I haven't fought in a while. So this is going to be new again, am I going to have like, and I think that was a lot of the reason, in my fight my reaction time wasn't as good because I hadn't been in there in a while that it was like, I had to really get comfortable in there to kind of like, oh, it moved. So because it was so long. It was you know, the anticipation, I was excited, but I was still like just one step behind.

Michael Marcangelo:

So I kind of want to transition now to talking about some things that are happening in the UFC before we get to Conor So Dave, you can just pump the brakes a little bit. Within the last day or so UFC removed marijuana from its list of banned substances for drugs. I love to get your take on that like hot. What do you think of that move? And will this help athletes in the sport moving forward?

Hilarie Rose:

I think that it's a fantastic move, because there's so many people I know like even including myself, like two three weeks before the fight, you have to stop smoking weed. And so because they test you, I mean, they think like it's a perform enhancing drug and like anyone who smokes weed, because you're really not anything you're paranoid, probably walk into the thing like oh, I'm stoned. But like there's a lot of people who train and at the end of the day, like my bodies running, running running because I've been exercising so much and I can't relax because of all of the things I've been doing and I can only imagine if that's happening to me to other people so I smoke a little weed to relax you know to calm myself down my brain my everything. And so I think that it's a huge deal because more than I think when I was out there because I asked you know what, what's the deal with the weed situation? Obviously with you sada I didn't have to go through you sada because it was like a contender series but usually you sada um, and they said that more than like 60% of UFC smoked weed. So I mean, you think, I don't think people are going to be getting stoned and going to fight. But then, you know, so I think that it's a good thing, thank goodness because they're suspending people for years for having marijuana in their system. So and then you see, like, what's his name as cocaine and he's, you know,

Dave Clarke:

he shouldn't be your career definitely shouldn't be affected by like smoking weed, you know, like, there's the career of a fighter so short that like, if you take any, anytime

Hilarie Rose:

benefiting fighters I was even seeing recently, Dana White was talking about psilocybin and like mushrooms, and like them running tests, like I'm sure the big on like people, like eating mushrooms and working with CTE and all that stuff. And I mean, it makes sense.

Dave Clarke:

I mean, if it works, do it. And also, I mean, the only thing the only criticism of this rule personally, is that they didn't just immediately call it the Nate Diaz rule. Because like, I just think that

Hilarie Rose:

picture, which was the best part,

Dave Clarke:

of course, but also you say, like, I don't think people are walking to fight stone. I'm like, I don't know, man, Nate might have sparked one right before he walked out.

Hilarie Rose:

There was one when he like, had a bunch in his system. So but like, even when I would cut weight, sometimes like you're in a bathtub, and like, sometimes you get out and you have to be covered. And if you smoke a little weed, you feel alright, like you're just relaxed. You don't think about like, my heart's beating out of my chest. My fingers are tingling, like you go through these phases of your body where like, if you smoke, you relax, you kind of chilling me like okay, I can lay down and fall asleep a little bit. And there's recovery elements too, right? Like there's like body recovery elements, which is just fine. That's just the same thing as taking any other supplement really. And now they mix weed with CBD. So you get like a little bit of both sometimes. So I think if anything is benefits, and if you don't want to smoke weed, don't smoke weed.

Michael Marcangelo:

Is it? Is this a step Do you think to try and eliminate like the use of like painkillers by fighters in UFC because I know like pro wrestling, right? They have a huge problem always did with painkillers. And they've drug test for weed. So now a UFC saying, oh, we're gonna remove that. I think just as a fan. It's like, Okay, guys, like no more somas no more pills, like just just smoking. Just Just hope the week.

Hilarie Rose:

Yeah, I think that could definitely happen. And I mean, it is it's always an issue, you know, a lot of you know, fighters, you know, tear their knee, they have to get surgery after they go through all these injuries. You know, their body takes so much enacting harm over time, you know, then you get surgery, you're taking Percocet, you're taking this or that, then you're you know, yeah, I 100% thing, it'll be a good thing.

Michael Marcangelo:

The reason why I asked that is because Spencer Fisher had an article this week, he was talking with Mma fighting.com about his traumatic brain injury from finding out how it affected his life, opening up to the damage that fighters take. So it looks like it kind of sent shockwaves through the entire fight fighter community. So I guess, I guess my question would be, how better would his life or career have been right? Had he not been forced to take or, you know, 30? I think he took 30 pills a day, because he was in so much pain.

Hilarie Rose:

Wow. Yeah, way beneficial. I mean, imagine what that does for your body taking 30 pills a day. I mean, you you're consuming so much. That's, you know, like it's chemistry. Like they're mixing things and putting it all together. I mean, I can't even imagine taking, because I don't even like taking like eight vitamins, you know, let alone and that's good for my body, let alone putting a bunch of things inside, I think. Yeah, I didn't know 30 pills a day. I'll have to read that article.

Michael Marcangelo:

Yeah. So I and one of the focal points of the article was obviously about CTE and traumatic brain injury, and just how it is really impacted his life, not only his fighting career that he had to cut short, but also like who you are as a person, it changes you. So one of his talking points in the article was that he remembers the first time that he was knocked out. Right and that was probably the start of the end of his career. And he was talking about the fact that the minute you get into the octagon and you start worrying about the damage that is being done to you it's over so I guess you know, just a natural question for me would have you ever thought about that like walk while in there.

Hilarie Rose:

I've never thought about you know being injured sometimes after though like once your feet up and like you feel your head and you have like bumps and like bring them up sometimes you don't know like, chaos movement, like you feel lumps and you're like, oh, like my, my dome like my brain what's important to me, it's here, it's getting rough rock around. And I think a lot of what is starting to slow down Is it the what the training used to be and I mean, even so now like people trained to hurt each other. And it's like you want for me it's like I want to train smart so that when I go and I fight on fight night, I know that I'm is mentally, you know, prepped in there as possible instead of, you know, beating the shit out of each other in practice, because there's no benefits to that, but there's really no benefit to that. I mean, you're gonna see openings and be aware it's, I think that that's probably part of it too, like bad training sessions like teammates that are going way too hard. And, you know, then if it teammates going way too hard, you don't want to be the person who's saying, don't be going so hard. You know, it's, yeah,

Dave Clarke:

it's you're still in a fight in there. So you're just going in your natural competition is going to come out. But yeah, no one hit you hard. You

Hilarie Rose:

want to hit her back. Sure.

Dave Clarke:

You're not going to be able to like not react to that. But yeah, I think I mean, even max Holly was talking this week about he doesn't spar at all anymore.

Hilarie Rose:

He's fighting Calvin cater, who's a Boston guy? Boston guy.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, we're gonna talk about we're gonna talk about that. It's, it's, it's on the docket. No worries. But the, like, I just was interested in what he was saying, because he didn't spar at all prior to the volkanovski to fight, which I think it was, even though he didn't win it on the cars.

Unknown:

Yeah, it

Hilarie Rose:

was a crazy fight. Yeah, and I

Dave Clarke:

let you know, I was great fighting for him to not spar at all. And the lead up to that was so surprising to hear from me. And it's like, if you're Max Holloway, unless you have people and I'm sure this is true of you as well. Unless you have people you trust that you're that you're sparring with rolling with, like doing training with. If you get some random go in there, that's like, well, I get to spar with Max Holloway today, there's a good chance he's gonna be like, let me go knock out Max Holloway. That's a feather in my cap.

Hilarie Rose:

Yeah, that happens all the time. Because people have egos. They want to see what they can do to compete against, you know, high level that happens with even just jujitsu like black belts grappling. Like, you get a black belt and people, you know, the big belt wants to go with the black belt and see how well they can do with them. And you know, they want to try to kill them. Because they're just like, what can I do? Can I get a better position? Can I pick up on this? It's Yeah,

Dave Clarke:

not not very well, would be my prediction, usually.

Hilarie Rose:

Usually back but we'll play with them a little bit. And then yeah,

Dave Clarke:

I don't I don't think there's another sport or martial art than jujitsu, where the disparity in skill level is so immediately obvious. Like, you know, when you're standing up with somebody, it's like other kind of walking around each other. If you're wrestling, it's like, that guy looks a little stronger. I feel like a black belt in jujitsu can like, and the jujitsu sessions so much more quickly and efficiently than like any other aspect of MMA. Would you say? That's true? Yeah, definitely. I

Hilarie Rose:

mean, it's all think about Jiu Jitsu is awareness of the body. So when you can feel body to body when you're striking, right? I mean, there's distance there. So when you feel body to body, you know, you know, control and movement, and I mean, definitely, like even my coach. But my coach has been saying lately, like, he's been grappling that he has the hardest rounds. He's a black belt with purple belts right now. Like, it's not even the brown belts. It's like people in the middle. He has the hardest rounds with right now. So it's, it's funny how like, you get from white belts, you know, you're scrappy and moving all over the place. And then you go to your blue belt, and it's whether you choose to stay or leave, and then you kind of get better get better than that. Purple belts like that. Oh, I'm almost there. Midway sweet spot. Yeah, right.

Michael Marcangelo:

So knowing like, I just think to myself, like walking into an octagon, right, which I'll never do. I promise. I'll never embarrass myself that way. But you have to be so knowledgeable about everything that can happen in there about the skill sets the moves that can come, you know, be coming at you. How dangerous how dangerous Do you think it is to step in the octagon? If your head is just thinking in the back your mind? You're thinking I just really hope I don't get hit. Like I hope I don't know.

Hilarie Rose:

Yeah, you shouldn't fight if that happens. Definitely. And if you're thinking that night, I mean, you're probably thinking it ahead of the fight. So if you're going in thinking that way, like I mean, obviously anxiety and nerves popping, like I say, make you think I'm ready. You think it's gonna be okay, am I gonna win this fight? And then like, Yeah, of course. But then I'm like, I don't I don't want to fight tonight. Like, alright, let's go home. And I'm like, No, like, I obviously want to fight tonight. But I'm just My nerves are kicking. But yeah, if you're throughout camp, and you're constantly having that in your mind, yeah, you definitely shouldn't fight that night. And you're going to hopefully, like your coaches are going to pick up on that and get that back. Because I think that that's really important, the vibe that you have with your coaches, you know, they'll pick up on if you're feeling ready to fight or if something's wrong, I think with a camp, you know, so many emotions and so much time and effort and discipline go into it. They don't pick up on like, things like that.

Unknown:

It's part of their job to protect you from

Hilarie Rose:

Yeah, definitely. Because I actually had that conversation with my coach the other day, because I'm crazy. I like overthink everything. And I'm like, do you think because I'm not seeing the openings? It's because they get hit in the head too much. And like, I'm not thinking about it. He's like, no, it's like if I thought you were gonna hit too much. If you had like CTE, I'd sit you down and tell you No, I don't think you should fight anymore. And I was like, Alright, alright, okay, I understand. He's like, I you have lots of time until that happens.

Dave Clarke:

There's guys at the top that I like, I don't understand other coaches still let them go in there. The amount of times I've seen Alistair overeem I make the joke. When I watch the cards to whoever's watching with me. I'm like, it's gonna get sent. If you get sent to the Shadow Realm. You go to a bar and Alistair overeem is there like polishing and glass asking you what you want to drink? Because like that guy has been sent there so many fucking times. I've seen him get knocked out to the point where I'm like, please just stop punching him in the face.

Hilarie Rose:

Even Diego Sanchez Yeah, gonna be fighting anymore.

Dave Clarke:

No. I mean, he took that elbow from Matt Brown. And I think that should have been it. I think you ever get knocked out like that I don't think you're ever coming back the same, you know? And it's like,

Hilarie Rose:

and you see some of them and it's sometimes hard to watch like, you know that they're fighting that night and I'm like, usually I'd be pumped to watch but I don't

Dave Clarke:

want it. Oh, yeah, it's like the last time Tito Ortiz fudge chocolate Li watched it. And I was like, I'm worse for watching that. I don't think I don't think I should have watched that. I don't think anyone should have watched that.

Hilarie Rose:

No, I agree. I know. It's, yeah.

Michael Marcangelo:

How hard is it to do like, you know, as someone that's in the camp, right? Because I think as a fighter you you can get like, you know, what getting up for a fight feels like, right? So it's almost like you can kind of fake it until you make it and you rely on the on the training that you're going through to get you there. Right. So how hard you think it is for people in your camper, people that you trust to say like, Listen, you know, Hilarie, I just don't think you're it you're not into this one. Like, maybe we should sit it out.

Hilarie Rose:

Ah, super hard. But I think that you trust them enough to know, because I mean, that's personally never happened to me. But even like, you'd see some fights. Like where, you know, they're getting really beat up in the fight. And then the corner has to like wave the white flag. Like, you know, that type of thing. I think that is takes every there's so many moments when that probably should have happened and then didn't happen. Like the coaches that do that takes everything in them in order to do that, because you know that the fighter probably doesn't want to stop. But you see the damage that's happening, and they're just not aware of it at the time. So I think that it's probably such a hard thing to do, but you trust them. So you know, all right. If you think that it's not, you know, the time for me to fight or that I'm done then already guess I'm done. But people the thing that happens is people don't believe you or they get angry at you. And then they leave the gym, they go to another gym and then you just fight you know, with another, you know, person, another coach.

Michael Marcangelo:

That sounds gonna say it's like, if I'm thinking about about Spencer Fisher, right? If, if I'm him and my coach says, Listen, you know, dude, I don't think I don't think you're into this. I'd say like, you don't I know me better than you know me. So hot. Like, I guess at what point? I don't know if maybe even you can answer this question. But at what point do you say like they're right. They know, they know what's best for me more than I do.

Hilarie Rose:

I think you would have to believe them in that moment. You know, like, at least from a personal level, I've been with my coaches since I was 14. So if they, you know, sat me down, and they said that I think I trust them. Like, I think I'd be heartbroken, of course, but I'd have to just choose a career in, you know, coaching, you know, and still, you know, put myself in that, you know, obviously martial arts, because that's what I am and who I am. So I couldn't go like you know, get an office job and have to just stay in the martial arts or open a gym or invest my time that I did in fighting into, you know, helping other fighters, I guess,

Unknown:

gotta be the hardest part of their job doing stuff like no

Hilarie Rose:

doubt. And we've had like, I've had someone at my gym where we've said, you shouldn't fight.

Dave Clarke:

That can't be fun, that can be fun for them to say or for them to hear. And it's like you talking about throwing in the towel in a fight? You know, there's so much debate about that, when it how much

Unknown:

and it's it's like periods

Dave Clarke:

of time that you have to dance. But those coaches, they were there for all that work. You know what I mean? Like that as invested in some ways as the fighter they're like, dude, we this is what I've been doing for the past, like, sometimes years of my life with this kid, or this guy, or this girl or whatever. So it's just as hard for them to throw in the towel too. Because it's like, Damn, dude, like, I don't I really want to see him pull this out, you know? Yeah, exactly. So

Hilarie Rose:

thank you. They're just as invested. They have to be just as invested as you are. I mean, if they aren't, then you know, your coat, you got to second guess, coaches,

Dave Clarke:

you know, trust trust is

Hilarie Rose:

key. And you see a lot of people I think I had this conversation with you last time is like, people Jim bounce, or they think like, I need to be at a gym with a big name. Because there's lots of fighters there where, you know, you're just kind of another fish in a fishbowl. Like, here, I have a personal relationship with my coaches, you know, in you know, I get so much one on one time, because there isn't, you know, 15 other fighters fighting for the same time or for the same coach. So like, like, Don't you want to train and like, you'll get more like training with other people. I don't think I need like, high end people in order to, you know, get to the top. I think that if I train right, and I do the right work and discipline that I can, you know, get there. And I don't need, you know, the best in the world to get me there.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, totally. I mean, I know we're gonna talk a lot about Conor McGregor. But just to bring that back to Conor McGregor because like he's mainly at the forefront of my brain right now. I mean, he came up beaten up beaten up plumbers and and rugby players in Ireland for the first I don't know, like 15 years of his career, you know, so it's like, they can fly guys in from Serbia or some shit now but like, he had to be just beat up guys like on his Street. Same with example, Dustin.

Hilarie Rose:

He was in fight worlds if you ever seen that documentary? Great. No. Big deal. Yeah.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, I remember that. The one he was in and it was and he was so young. Yeah.

Hilarie Rose:

So Young and he came from nothing, Major. Same thing at the gym, like just tough live, same sort of thing. So it's cool that they're fighting each other again. It's been so long I'm pumped about it too.

Michael Marcangelo:

Well, I feel like we've kept you waiting long enough to Hilarie get ready for this because this is going to be a wild ride with DK talking about Connor. Saturday, January 23. We have the notorious Conor McGregor vs. Dustin poria in a rematch of six years ago.

Unknown:

I know I can't believe that.

Michael Marcangelo:

My question to you to open it up, based on what you've seen so far. What Conor McGregor is walking into the octagon on Saturday.

Hilarie Rose:

I can't imagine that the best version of Conor McGregor is really walking into the cage on Saturday. And the thing is, I love Conor McGregor, and I love Dustin Corey a warrior whenever they call him. I also love him like you. So the thing is, I feel like I favorite Conor McGregor because he's just a more popular like likable person, or it's not even that he's likable. He's just sellable to you know, he's crazy talk and all this shit. And I think, you know, stay with us. And, you know, Dustin came from nothing that they had that fight to start and it happened so quick, you know, Connor comes in there and he sees the target. It's over. That's, you know what I mean? He sees the target and it's over. And, I mean, I can imagine that Dustin's plan is maybe getting to the ground and you know, holding their feet up on the ground. But you also know Dustin also wants to stand and prove himself like always and throw hands.

Dave Clarke:

Okay, so you talk about plans, though. You talked about plans. I have this like, I've just been doing like body language detection all all week. Basically. I've just I've watched like every Dustin video every corner video. Yeah, I'm sitting there like a scientist. So I'm sitting there and I'm like, I'm starting to try to think like Conor McGregor thinks like how is what's he thinking about like what? Because he doesn't I'm not saying he's looking past Dustin because like that's obviously never a good idea. And I think he's like smart enough to know, but I think he understands where Dustin is in the lightweight rankings. And I think he understands like if he goes out there and performs the same way he did against cowboy the same way he did against Jose Aldo like he knows how to elevate himself at at like at any time with a fight but that's there's no he can talk all he wants. elevating himself in the fights. The only thing that matters so insane that I think I have a sneaking suspicion. So gamblers at home if you guys want to put a little bet on this. I think that we're going to see Conor McGregor's first UFC submission when? a week from LA from Saturday. Yeah. Okay, so here's why. Cuz I see that too. Yeah, cuz What's he hat? What does he have to work on? Why is he had to work so much for the last year two years? Could be, you know, like if he had he needs to get

Hilarie Rose:

Right, right. Can he was his last

Dave Clarke:

beef before before Sironi? Like he knocked up with a shoulder, which was fucking hysterical. And I like, yeah, loved every second of that one. I

Unknown:

love Sony.

Dave Clarke:

I know me too. I love him so much. He said, He's so lovable. But like I knew exactly how that fight was gonna go. But the I love them up until fight now with Conor McGregor, then I was like, I don't care about him anymore. But, but I think what he's gonna do is he's gonna try and soften. Like, obviously, you know, you get in there. Everybody's got a plan. So you get punched in the face. But I think his ideal world is he goes in there, he softens Dustin up like he did before. And then instead of finishing them, you know, getting them down doing the same thing, because that's just like, we've seen that movie already. He knows he knows what the fans want. You've seen that technique where guys are softened up, and then you go right into a submission. Right? And it's like, your head is swimming. You don't you don't do the right stuff. I think he could choke out a slightly unconscious Dustin pouring. I wouldn't want to see him rolling around with him because I

Hilarie Rose:

submitted before. So Right,

Dave Clarke:

right. And he's got that button like we were talking about, you know, you get knocked out a couple times. You know, that chin weakens. And it's like, you hit him with a couple of those. And it's like, ooh, a submission highlight would be cool.

Hilarie Rose:

I'm gonna power that Connor packs is ridiculous. And the thing about Connor is he never rushes where Dustin is sometimes guilty of that, where like, he gets he starts and he throws a lot of strikes and this and that, where Connor is very like, oh, come out do it. Shit. He'll throw one or I'll throw one or throw two. And then it's like,

Dave Clarke:

I find it terrifying. How calm Conor McGregor is when he gets in there.

Hilarie Rose:

He's so calm. And that's the thing is I think that's what throws people off to because anticipate this, like, mild shuts off what they've seen

Dave Clarke:

all week what they've seen all week. That is what and that's exactly what happened to us in the first time. Right? He was like, oh, we're gonna go we're gonna go and then he got in there. And

Hilarie Rose:

it's very emotional. Dustin gets emotional.

Dave Clarke:

Totally, hopefully does so because they've been super cool to each other. Yeah,

Hilarie Rose:

I know. Because I think a lot of the month money goes to a

Dave Clarke:

charity Foundation, which is does support your charity, which is cool. I mean, they're older now. They're older now. You know, and they already fought once and

Hilarie Rose:

all Congress like 31

Unknown:

Yeah, I know. He looks great.

Hilarie Rose:

But he was 28 a few years 28 like he's crushing people.

Dave Clarke:

I know, but He also like I feel like he, you know, have the fan base where it's like I was into the Floyd fight, but I'm like, I just want to see him fight.

Hilarie Rose:

What do you think about the the Paul brothers? And oh, my God,

Dave Clarke:

oh no god no. Jesus Christ now he's he can send some of his posse to take care of them Dylan danis would beat that guy, Jake Paul or whatever.

Hilarie Rose:

I think easily, but they're all yelling, they all want to fight all the fight.

Dave Clarke:

I mean, it's a lot of money, but like, does he want to, he would make himself into a little bit of a joke for that for the build up to that fight, you know, and it's like, you don't want to be talking shit to a YouTuber dude. Like you're in there with Dustin Poirier? He's one of the most dangerous men on the planet. Like that's the guy that's the Conor I want to see I want to see him test himself against Real fighters. And I

Hilarie Rose:

think he I think he will be tested but I don't I definitely see a finish you know, I don't think it goes five rounds. I definitely think it's a finish no doubt.

Dave Clarke:

I mean, objectively, you know, looking back at like Diaz to great war people say some you know, some people will say, Well, one way some way but he dug deep and he showed championship metal in there. I was a mess that night.

Hilarie Rose:

Later from that night two, totally different fighter from that.

Dave Clarke:

I can't do five rounds. I need him to be tough because all that cuz that day that morning, I'm not going to sleep. I'm going to be all jittery. I'm going to be like, just get him get him out of there. Connor please, please, I'll

Unknown:

shoot you a message and I go

Dave Clarke:

I need all the emotional support. I can get a picture of the dog. That would work.

Unknown:

Yes. That is the dog.

Michael Marcangelo:

I think like the first fight right? I think I'm not that I'm not as big of a cotter fan as SDKs but it was evident that Connor lived rent free and dusted in Dustin's head from the press from the press conference and from like the first night like the first 10 seconds of that fight. Dustin gave up control like it was you could you caught her always knows what he wants to do. And he lets you know exactly what he's gonna do. You just have to stop him. And and Dustin was not trying to he was trying to one up him. And I think that's what that was the downfall. So this time, Justin has a lot to proven in my opinion. When he gets in the octagon, is he going to let kind of dictate the pace? Because if that happens, I think it's I don't think it's gonna go past round two.

Dave Clarke:

I think it's hard not to let Connor dictate the pace, I think is the problem. I think that he can assert his dominance on a fight. And I think that you've seen that and like, everybody's got a plan against him. And the only people that really have been able to beat him are Nate Diaz when the plan didn't go well, because he's like a zombie and you can punch him in the face all night and he's not going anywhere. So he had to, you know, so he had to adjust and cabbie who's like the most you know, dominant wrestler the sport has ever seen. And I personally maybe I'm biased you guys tell me I personally think if he fought Habib again, he would win. Why? Because he looked like shit in the first one. He was like drinking proper 12 that whole month. I full on believe that.

Hilarie Rose:

How do you think he does with just engaging?

Dave Clarke:

I think he starts his day he

Hilarie Rose:

was like, I don't know.

Dave Clarke:

He against Habib. It was embarrassing. It was of all the top lightweights that fought hubie he put the worst performance

Hilarie Rose:

trap team Trevor Whitman that's my team. Yeah, fair

Dave Clarke:

enough. Good dude. You know, he's obviously a good person.

Hilarie Rose:

Yeah. They were hurting to be Yeah,

Dave Clarke:

yeah, it's just once he got down there there was just he needs Yeah, I just think that as a Connor Homer Justin was walking around with the interim belt going Oh, yeah. Connor wants to fight me now. Connor doesn't call the shots I call the shots. It's like Dude, you're not going to be on a box of fucking Wheaties anytime soon. Like it's not you don't call the shots bro. Like this is not how that works. You can't like if you texted Dana White leg about like fighting Conor McGregor. Dana would have to check with Connor

Hilarie Rose:

no way Connor wins this fight he fights just engaging

Dave Clarke:

for the title though has to be for the title.

Hilarie Rose:

No Exactly. For the title. Whoever wins this fight will fight this engaging for the title because what could be retired?

Dave Clarke:

But here's the weird thing though. What about that? What about that comin that night because they're trying to elevate that Michael Chandler guy up the dude that just came over from balasore

Hilarie Rose:

I don't think they give him the title shot right away. I think he bends one and give him another top five and then he's gonna

Dave Clarke:

beat hooker hookers good.

Hilarie Rose:

No, I honestly hookers when my favorite so I have poker for that fight. I like Michael Chandler too. And you know they're throwing into the wolf's right away and I'm not surprised. And the thing is, I definitely think it's a winnable fight for Michael Chandler but unlike hooker,

Dave Clarke:

I haven't really seen him fight a lot as he is he like who who in the pocket.

Hilarie Rose:

You have to watch his fights go home. His last fight was against not that long ago.

Dave Clarke:

It was a military guy there right cuz he has a fun You see, you

Hilarie Rose:

know, not Michael Chandler, Dan hooker.

Dave Clarke:

Or Dan hooker. Yeah. Well, he wants to he wants to he wants to play Was that last fight? Yeah, that was his last fight, but it's a great fight. Yeah, maybe an awesome fight.

Hilarie Rose:

Yeah, but no Michael Chandler as a UFC, he was gonna fight for the title. If something happened with Kobe even Justin right? He was like,

Dave Clarke:

he's like he'll go in and as a replacement, which is I guess fine.

Hilarie Rose:

Which is crazy because I feel like I don't annoy some other people.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, that's true. I just think that and because like Tony Tony still deserves it even though he hasn't put in a couple good performances.

Hilarie Rose:

Yeah, I think he has a while till he gets that again and then, unfortunately.

Dave Clarke:

Um I think he I think you're right i think he is still there. They're

Hilarie Rose:

all avera and I really think he's great.

Dave Clarke:

He looks super fucking dangerous against Tony all his

Hilarie Rose:

fights are really good and I can see him. I think he can

Dave Clarke:

line them up doesn't matter to me. Doesn't matter who's in there. They're all gonna get it big anyone any one of these melty fools can get it

Hilarie Rose:

or thinks the same thing. Bring them in.

Dave Clarke:

Line them up. Let's go.

Michael Marcangelo:

I know that you're super impartial DK, but like I guess one of the things that's come out over the last couple of days is Dana White's been talking to me and saying like if Connor wins, can he come back and fight? Conor for the title?

Dave Clarke:

That's all fuckin smoke and mirrors. That's all for like they did release the video today of fucking Dana taking cubbies into a room and he's like just closing the door. What a load of shit. They've been talking for weeks.

Hilarie Rose:

I think that if that happens, it's either gonna be GSP it could be or could be even Connor.

Michael Marcangelo:

It has to be Connor. Right? It has to be

Dave Clarke:

GSP I I would love to see that. I really would like to see it happen. Like, I

Hilarie Rose:

mean, I don't know that's gonna happen, but it's what people talk about. And like, everyone's like, oh, retired, retired. This is the best.

Dave Clarke:

But 3030 such a nicer number though. Isn't it young young hubby been 29 Come on back and get that 30 against Connor you'll definitely get it

Hilarie Rose:

told his dad he would get 30 No, but as moms when he doesn't want him to fight again. But moms are easily convinced. Yeah, sure.

Dave Clarke:

And he wants to hear your fucking life story. Just go in there and do your Samba. Who gives a fuck? I don't care what your mom says. Just go do your thing. It's great.

Hilarie Rose:

You are You're the best in the world.

Dave Clarke:

To be fair, though, if he stays retired and Connor goes and beats everybody else in his mind he could D legitimize Connor because he's like, well, you know you never beat me. You know I retired because my mommy said it was I had to though.

Hilarie Rose:

I mean, they'll pay him crazy amounts of money the UFC will just throw money at you he

Dave Clarke:

says he doesn't care about money but I don't actually believe that anyone doesn't care about money like at least a little

Hilarie Rose:

because he was saying before I wanted to fight for

Dave Clarke:

it full. He got a great rocky four right there. Like he did a full and Ivan Drago I loved it.

Michael Marcangelo:

So Hilarie I assume that you think Connor is gonna win right?

Hilarie Rose:

The thing is, I think yes. I think Connor is gonna win. Yeah, get

Dave Clarke:

off the fence. Hilarie Come on over.

Hilarie Rose:

I think we're grateful. And I think he has the power and you know, the patience to wait for the right timing. But I do think Dustin is gonna bring a fight so i don't think i think it goes maybe like three rounds. three rounds.

Dave Clarke:

Dustin will perform better than last time though. I agree with that. I agree with that.

Hilarie Rose:

Yeah, totally different fighter six years like you said and he's working with Mike Brown who's fucking like Coach of the Year for years and like crazy good team so

Michael Marcangelo:

so what is this due to the landscape of this division? Right let's say if the if the shocking event happens and Dustin wins like what what does this division go from here? Because if Connor wins I mean, I think he's the most marketable UFC star in history and for the foreseeable future. But if Dustin wins then what like what what what happens to Connor what happens to the next title fight?

Hilarie Rose:

I think that it'll probably be all of our will fight Dustin, if they win, if Dustin wins. This is I think,

Unknown:

I think you'll probably find all very their way.

Hilarie Rose:

Me too. I do too. But I think all there is the next person is kind of up there because Dustin already beat justin. Oh, that fights Not gonna happen right away. And I think that it's probably all Vera or Michael Chandler. But you know, it's possible that it's Michael Chandler, I guess. I'm Dan hooker. Oh, but they already fought. But I mean,

Dave Clarke:

I guess it's Becker's was a good fight. And I was looking at the as the Wednesday card is magne versus chasa. And you're looking at those guys and they're good. Like, they're good fighters. And they're like eight, nine or seven and eight in the rankings at lightweight, but it's like, what the outcome of that fight means basically nothing to the lightweight landscape because there's so many killers in the top five, you know, and they're and they're bringing

Hilarie Rose:

all the divisions right now and like the top five, it's so crazy every division it's who's gonna fight who next?

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, the talent pool is nuts. I mean, welterweight has hasn't moved in a while and Any fight they make the IRS is sick. Yeah, featherweight hasn't moved in a while. And we'll see you know, Max and oh, yeah, let's talk about your boy, your Boston boy. I've only seen a fight a couple times. But like, What? He's awesome,

Hilarie Rose:

I think that he has a really, really good chance of beating Max Holloway. I think media is better boxing. And I think that he wrestles, I mean, I don't work with him, you know, personally. But I mean, I know him and I know a few people who train with him and

Unknown:

I think that he could beat him.

Dave Clarke:

I think that his boxing is crisp,

Hilarie Rose:

great boxing, he knows charts, and he throws elbows on the inside, which a lot of people don't do. And he's tough and he's big. And even though I saw that Max was taller than him, that's like a really giant head. And but i think that i think max could win by like output, you know, like, he puts a lot of output. You know, he's always punching and kicking and moving going in a lot of output. But I think that the output will leave him open and I think Calvin will take advantage and I think that if he said if any of you've seen him get hit by someone who's shorter

Dave Clarke:

I didn't know it was because he had a giant head and then like I'm similarly afflicted with a giant head so like my heart does go out to max but I didn't know that was the reason but that doesn't make a lot of sense now that you said it.

Hilarie Rose:

Like you look at him it's I think I've said this I haven't said this. I've heard this in like maybe on a jewel Rogan podcast or something that like people that are Hawaiian are born differently and they have like bigger heads. And that could be a myth.

Dave Clarke:

But I must I must have some Hawaiian me then because my head is like four times the size it should

Hilarie Rose:

be like the Hawaiian heads like you see some of the fighters and their heads are like a little bigger.

Michael Marcangelo:

It's I mean, that's it that's a huge myth in wrestling to some Samoans right like the rock right? up heads to crack so i would i would never want to probably punch one of those people in the head

Unknown:

like hurts. Yeah, definitely hurts. Yeah.

Michael Marcangelo:

I don't want to interrupt your your your, your your next holiday fight. But I do want to talk just one question for me, because I want I want to root for Dustin, because DK

Dave Clarke:

Of course you do you, asshole. Oh, my god, you're a bad friend.

Michael Marcangelo:

So so. So Hilarie, I want I want to put you on the spot here. Right. I want you to sell me on what Dustin has done since the last meeting with Connor as to why he could win this fight.

Dave Clarke:

Right. So there's pros and cons of this because they both have done. They both have gotten the results. They both do hard for the hurt for this for her to do Mike because she knows that there's only one real champ champ in the whole world. Anyway, I'll let her go. Sorry.

Hilarie Rose:

The thing is, see, I wish I had like the lineup of all of it just to praise most recent fights, it should have pulled it up. But um, the thing is, I think that Dustin pourriez boxing has improved drastically since all of his other fights and I mean, I feel like we see him on the ground, but we don't see him on the ground that often. But I mean, Connor also has had fights where he's exposed a lot of things and I think that if I simply I can you know, expose those things, you know, and take advantage of that. And I mean, it's a fight and like anything can happen I think ever you know, we always say we think this person is gonna win we think this person is gonna win but it's I think that one is boxing has definitely improved. I mean, he had decent boxing anyway, but and I don't think he has to really stress about his wrestling because his wrestling is gonna be better than Connors even though Conor I'm sure his approach

Dave Clarke:

Maybe not. Maybe not. He's been working on

Hilarie Rose:

it. Though like he has he had good sprawls and one of his fights Connor so he was defending really well. So I think that if Dustin can put them on the cage and hold them and maybe get them down. You know, he could maybe not finish him on the ground but could beat him up a bit on the ground. And I think for Dustin when it goes five rounds. I think for Connor to win, it's probably fewer

Michael Marcangelo:

now DK because you know I'm magnanimous and generous and I believe in equality. Tell me why and tell us why Connor is gonna win.

Dave Clarke:

Because he's the baddest motherfucker on the planet. This is like simple as that. No, I mean, look, if you're Dustin Poirier and like again, I'm not I would defer to the expert in our in our esteemed guests. Hilary rose about this, but I can guess with just using common sense. If a dude has separated you from your consciousness before in such a public and an embarrassing way.

Hilarie Rose:

There's definitely already in mind a mind fucking.

Dave Clarke:

And then there's no way to avoid the clip of you getting pumped behind the ear by this guy who was literally in the fight calling you a pussy as they were fighting. He's like, let's go pussy. And I'm like, I've watched it about 30 times this week.

Hilarie Rose:

This is what people like the girl that I thought because they say the same chick. Do this. It's all likable. See people Oh, yeah, it is like

Dave Clarke:

when she said that to you. I didn't like it. What depends on the content or on a personal level. Yeah, it's it's context related. For me. I'm a total Homer, but he's gonna see the clip all week. him getting fuckin clip behind the year and going unconscious now, if he wants to use that as motivation, great, you know like that's awesome, but I don't know man if someone's already knocked you out in that in that space of time you can improve all you want but it's not like Connor everyone's been talking about how much Dustin's improved and I don't think that that's not true. I think he has improved a lot, but so is Connor. You know, I like he's gotten a lot better as time went on, and he's also been spending most of his time training for that big fucking Russian bear. So like, whatever you know, like I feel like if you're training to fight could be but he genuinely believes he can fight could be you better be able to beat a fucking Dustin Poirier you know what I mean? Like you bet you better be able to so we'll see I think he could it I think he's right. And when he says shit like that, when he starts going like 60 seconds. I'm like, I believe you sir. Like I can't help it. So it's like

Unknown:

plays with the mind.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, yeah. I like it took it snuck up on me this one because usually for like six weeks I'm like Connor Connor Connor put like on it cuz maybe because of COVID and all the math shit that's going on in the world. Like on this one past couple of weeks. I've been it's it was only like the other day that I was like, it's happening. It's happening anyway. What was your question? Mike? What's your question? Why is he going to win because of course he's gonna win cuz he's Conor McGregor. That's why.

Michael Marcangelo:

Just one question and you're gonna you're gonna like the question. I'm not doing it to be an asshole. Just remember that. What happens to Conor if he loses? Like, where does he go from here in UFC if he loses, basically nothing.

Dave Clarke:

It doesn't matter when he loses his brand doesn't

Hilarie Rose:

mean a year off and then comes back.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, like he finds a way to rationalize it. He goes in boxes, Manny Pacquiao. He goes in? I don't know. I don't know what he does with his spare time, like washes himself with $100 bills. I don't know nothing. Everything will be fine for him. It doesn't matter at all, which is what's so impressive about him. Like how do you get motivated? If you're Conor McGregor? You know what I mean? Wake up. He has so much money.

Hilarie Rose:

why he's motivated, he can make more he knows

Dave Clarke:

half a bit half a billion in that whiskey in that whiskey, you know, and, you know, I love I love Conor McGregor, if you haven't been able to tell, but I've loved whiskey for longer, and that proper 12 tastes like fucking piss. But I'm still gonna buy a bottle of it and drink it on the day in honor of the man himself. All right, fair. So you know, as long as I'm a consumer, that's all you care about.

Hilarie Rose:

I've never tried it. But even if it sucks like that, you'll still go out and buy it. And that's what he knows he goes into it.

Unknown:

That's right, I fucking drink it. And I'm not gonna like it, but I'm gonna drink it.

Michael Marcangelo:

So, I mean, so Hilarie. dk and I've been talking a little bit about this. He is the I guess the bigger the bigger Connor guy. Obviously, you can tell by the recent change in his accent. But for me, isn't there is there is a little bit of like a new attitude or a new rhetoric coming out of Dustin's camp, doesn't it feel like he is more confident or he has a different fighter than he was six years ago? Because for me, it's like, well, this isn't the same. The same guy that was that was tricked by Conor six years ago, he's not gonna fall for that.

Hilarie Rose:

Emotional. I think he knows he's had so many fights and sec Conor fight and had so many ups and downs between that time also like that, he This is just a fight for him. I think he knows that it's a good payday. It's a good, whatever, but he's not emotional. And I think that when he's not emotional, he's better just like anybody. When you play with emotion, you know, that's when you're falling into traps. And then, you know, you see that those other people are going to take advantage of those openings. So I think he's way less emotional. And if he is emotionally very much hiding it well, so that it's not feeding into the corner, I'm sure it's like, yeah, you seem calm This is. You know what I mean?

Dave Clarke:

Like he is very calm about and I and I do actually like his game plan, because it kind of comes down to that, right? It's like, do you think he'd beat him the first time because he got in his head, which is the kind of pretty common narrative, or do you think is because he was the better fighter? And I think that's the interesting narrative. You know, you were talking earlier about establishing a narrative going into a fighter as a fighter. That's the interesting narrative here for all of us. Yeah. What what's the difference now and I think what Connor is trying to do at least with the build up for now, I don't know how press conferences are going to go or whatever. He's trying to go like, let's take that out of it. And I'm gonna go and beat him fair and square, which I think for brand for legacy, I think that's what he has to do. You know, like if he if he's Sykes him out twice. Yeah, everybody clowns on Dustin, but he doesn't get as much credit, you know, so I think go fight him fair and square. He wants the best version of Dustin I think as a competitor,

Hilarie Rose:

I think so too.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah. And I think that I respect that you know, but I also obviously love when he does anything

Hilarie Rose:

and I also think this is a winnable fight for him because he's won before so I mean, regardless of like what preparation Dustin has when you've won a fight against someone you know, you're confident going into it anyway. So

Dave Clarke:

I think he knew he was gonna lose against could be the first time or Habib the first time. I think that he says a lot about oh, I wasn't really preparing. I wasn't This, that's all kind of I think smoking mirrors, he did train he might have not trained as well as he liked or whatever. But I think he was like, I don't have this skill set to beat this dude. And he only found the motivation to fight him after he lost the first time because you remember that's the first fight after the Floyd Mayweather fight. Right? So how, like, that's the he's freshly counting $100 million at that point, you know, and it's that stuff's going through his head. I also think he knew he was gonna lose against Mayweather I think I could see it in his face. Like, he was like, I don't know, I just have to go in there and kind of perform and, and not not get completely embarrassed. And I've won, you know, essentially because this isn't

Hilarie Rose:

okay moments during it, you know, a few times so.

Dave Clarke:

And also, it's a win win for him because he can always just like, he can fall back to the schoolyard. He's like, if we actually fought though, I fucking kill you, just so you know. So it's a win win. He's like, I would just take your arm home with you with me as a trophy. So don't even worry about it about the like boxing with big money for him. And

Hilarie Rose:

it means just like, it's just another opportunity for him to bend box again against somebody else and make like money or whatever, because

Dave Clarke:

they're represented by the same agency. So I think that's inevitable. That's an inevitable fight. that's gonna happen.

Hilarie Rose:

He's smart. He knows what to do.

Dave Clarke:

He's so smart. And he's handsome.

Michael Marcangelo:

We get it we get it it's probably no I don't know if maybe if he did this if he did this and then it's the smartest thing ever but if he was leading up to the hubby fight, right if he knew that he was gonna lose. How smart is that to go in there and just see what Habib can do. Because now he's got it down for the next fight. If there is a next fight, he knows exactly what he's going to do. It's like It's like doing this like doing the Recon right like you I just want to learn my enemy. I think if there is a second fight now I'm not the biggest Conover McGregor fan obviously that's that's TK I think Connor wins decisively. And because of what happened last time, he does not make the same mistake twice typically in a fight or against the same opponent. So if there is Connor w two, because I think that's what's gonna happen after this. I think he was gonna unretire.

Dave Clarke:

Well, I think I think he was surprised though, even if he did do that. Now that's some pretty 3d chess. So I'm not saying he did do that. But I think he was pretty surprised that Habib was able to say no to the rematch, because usually when Connor says, I want to fucking rematch, he gets it right away. And as much as he definitely got his ass kicked by Habib the first time, he still did better than most everybody else.

Hilarie Rose:

I don't know. I'll fight that La Quinta. I mean, what five rounds, but

Unknown:

that was weird, though. Like, what the fuck?

Hilarie Rose:

I mean, I can't eat. Like I watch that fight. And I go, I did a good job in this fight. He got up fighting. I mean, and that's exhausting to try to get to be boffi most people don't give up their back. And that

Dave Clarke:

was weird though. Because then cowboy went and just you can't really do this math. I know. Like it's all nachos. But La Quinta is not like at that level. It was like ludicrous that they were even

Hilarie Rose:

wrestling. He knew how to get up on 16th notice against cubbies and he didn't get finished where you see all of them. Everybody can see I can see that. He definitely had the most impressive performance.

Dave Clarke:

As far as relevant people go, Connor Connor had the most impressive performance

Hilarie Rose:

of any matches. Like I can't think off the top of my head. No, right. I

Dave Clarke:

don't respect his resume. To be 100% honest with you. I think that lately, he's been really good guys, but I think it was fucking 10 pots before that. Listen, obviously, I'm anti obviously, but he's a very impressive wrestler like I get it.

Hilarie Rose:

Yeah, he knows how to lock you down and there's like a leg cross. He knows exactly what to do and to hold you there.

Dave Clarke:

And he's always trying to improve position. Always trying to improve position always trying to move like people that say he's boring. I don't think that that's a fair assessment because I think he is always trying to do stuff. He's always

Unknown:

elite limbs and he's going to kill you. I didn't like what he was doing that to counter that. I was like, stop talking to him. This is embarrassing.

Hilarie Rose:

Everybody else? It was like watching your karma up in the park. Kinda

Michael Marcangelo:

Are there any I guess for me we've kind of talked about this entire this entire fight right? We both you you both think Connor is gonna win. I do too. Right? I kind of hope just for content purposes that that Dustin wins because DK will be unbearable

Dave Clarke:

content, what content versus I won't be able to be inconsolable? We'll come back on the podcast for weeks.

Michael Marcangelo:

I think but I think we all think Conor is gonna win. So for now, Hilarie, I just want to obviously say thank you so much for for joining and talking MMA with us UFC. For those of you that that did not listen to the first episode, please go back and listen to it. You can find that in the show notes. But where can we find where can we find you Hilarie? Where can we learn about you and what's coming up next for you in terms of fighting?

Hilarie Rose:

Okay, so you can find me on Facebook or Instagram @HilarieroseMMA. And on Twi ter, I don't use Twitter as muc , but it's probably Haley ros MMA also. Um, so between my las one and now I actually got a m nager. So I have a manager now So he, my coaches were who wer managing me before. So now I h ve a BI. So I'm under Sucker Pun h entertainment, which has lot of female UFC fighters. So lik Wei Li and rosamma. Eunice and Angela Hill. So, you know, I sha e the same manager as them. So hope you know, him and I are building a relationship. And we ad hoped to fight in March, but I'm the girl who I was sup osed to fight is injured as of ow. So we're hoping, you kno , within the next we're hop ng for March. So I mean, but at his point, we're just kind of rying to stay ready for any mom nt. So that's kind of what he' told me is I need to be pre ared to kind of make weight on week notice and you know, kin of always be working and gri ding is with COVID. You kno , next week, someone could hit COVID. And they need someone to ight. So it's kind of just alw ys being prepared and on my toe and constantly working. So yea , so hopefully, we'll fight soo .

Dave Clarke:

What next fight once it's booked, come back on, we'll preview that. Last time, we'll just we just your first your first friend of the show we have coming back, you know,

Hilarie Rose:

if you guys talk to you know, people like to talk about bikes too. And you know, it's fun. I think a lot of people you know, fighting even though it's becoming bigger, it's still such like a small sport. I think that, you know, it's only now kind of broadcasting its way you like, for example, Calvin and Mac's riding on NBC this weekend, like you'd think never happens. So that's a really big deal, especially with sports not being as you know, big right now I'm

Dave Clarke:

going to it being on ESPN at all is mainstreaming it's so much. I feel like a lot of the branding, which I think was smart at the time for the UFC, especially when they were branding on like Spike TV than they went to Fox. It was more that like, they were looking for like that monster truck. You know, WWE, like they got they went and got all those fans, and now they're ready, they're up, they need to break marketing wise into the mainstream and ESPN do that. You know, I 100% agree. And, you know, the Conor and Dustin fight or I think maybe all the fights there's going to be fans. So first MMA fights with fans even though you know, Abu Dhabi it's just another step in the right direction. So

Hilarie Rose:

you know, hopefully have you know, maybe not big events but events, you know, soon in you know, the US more than it you know, just the apex Center, which is fun, and that's cool. It's cool to be there. But

Dave Clarke:

that small octagon makes knockouts happen real real frequently, actually,

Hilarie Rose:

with the big dudes. Yeah, the big guys. I mean, you're forced, I mean,

Dave Clarke:

taken up the whole they're taken up the whole cage, like,

Hilarie Rose:

taller than it.

Dave Clarke:

Yeah, it's wild to see. You know, I I am very grateful to Dana White, though, because they were the first Sportback after everything shut down. And like that, for me that returned to normalcy of just just sitting down on a Saturday to watch UFC current and he did it. He pulled it off. He pulled it off safely. And he like kind of wrote the blueprint for like, a lot of sports come back. Yeah, it's two guys, as opposed to like 11 versus 11. But you got to give him the credit for that. It was a big deal,

Hilarie Rose:

no doubt, and I think a lot of people shit on him for it. And we're, you know, kinda like, it's not safe, the paint gimmicks and did it into and I think that, you know, he grew a lot of people wrong.

Dave Clarke:

And that's why we have fight Island now. You know?

Hilarie Rose:

Exactly. And it's incredible to think that some pandemic, this ginormous, really cool thing, it's going to be forever for UFC, because of a pandemic, you know, they're always going to be fights. They're, you know, a few times a year, so I think that's really cool. I hope one day I could fight there.

Unknown:

Yeah, Hilarie rose on fight Island. Yeah.

Hilarie Rose:

I mean, I love the playground. But you know, they put you in first class.

Dave Clarke:

So I'll take I heard those hotel rooms are pretty dope, too.

Hilarie Rose:

Yeah. You see all the like the fighters in there. There. It looks awesome. So do the do the Conor McGregor, man visualize it into existence? That's right. You just got to keep

Dave Clarke:

putting it out into the world. That's like when he when he threw those two belts on. He was like, This is what I dreamed into reality. Yes, Connor. Yes. So excited.

Michael Marcangelo:

There's really nowhere else to go from here. So Hilarie, thank you so much for joining us.

Unknown:

It's so much fun.

Michael Marcangelo:

We love you. You're great. I mean, for what it's worth you mentioned back in the beginning of the show that that the opponent that you face is it was a better talker. I disagree. I've heard her interviews. You are a far you're far better on the mic than she is. Thank

Hilarie Rose:

you. I appreciate you. I think that I can talk on the mic. And like talk with people pretty well. I think that Yeah, she's a little more serious.

Dave Clarke:

And you know, Mike's Mike's a tough judge of that because he's a huge WWE fan. And that's like half the professional wrestler. So if he's giving you that I think you should run with that for sure. Yeah, good.

Hilarie Rose:

Tony, so I'll take the compliment as

Michael Marcangelo:

well. I mean it but honestly, thank you so much for joining. So for DK sizzle Dave Clark, do you want to the only Hilarie Rose I am Michael Marcangela signing off n this episode and missing the oint.

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